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Furness Show 12-1: Hugh Millen, Mike Sando, Lane Kiffin Fallout · The Ian Furness Show

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  Speaker 1: You're home for the twelfth Man in the NFL.
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  Speaker 2: Proudley presents Hardcore Football with Hugh Millon, brought to you
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  Speaker 3: Hardcore Football with Hugh Millon right now. I heard a rumor.
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  Speaker 3: I saw the video. Hugh was on a plane on
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  Speaker 3: a tarmac. His family had two other radio stations and
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  Speaker 3: shows across the country. But you know what, Unlike some people,
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  Speaker 3: this guy is with us. He said, no, I'm staying
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  Speaker 3: at KJR. I'm staying to finish the job. I'm a
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  Speaker 3: nine and three Seahawks team. Hardcore football with Ian, Monday
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  Speaker 3: Morning Quarterback with Chuck and Bucky Moore at four with Softy.
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  Speaker 3: He's staying. He got off that private jet plane. He's
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  Speaker 3: here with us right now. How are you.
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  Speaker 1: I'm doing good?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, all this turnover, it's it's man.
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  Speaker 1: We could do a whole hour on that.
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  Speaker 4: But you know, look, there's a number of things that
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  Speaker 4: Lane Kiffin got wrong, but I do think it's worth
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  Speaker 4: noting that most all of us just okay, raise your
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  Speaker 4: hand right now. If whatever industry you're in. Think of
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  Speaker 4: think of the the company that's your number one competitor,
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  Speaker 4: or maybe you have five competitors. If if one of
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  Speaker 4: those companies that's one of your competitors comes to you
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  Speaker 4: and gives you more money and a substantial opportunity, opportunity
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  Speaker 4: to do much better and make a lot more money
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  Speaker 4: in the future, how many of you are not doing that? Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: after you've been with your company six years, right, and
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  Speaker 4: you've earned the right to to upgrade to a better company.
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  Speaker 1: I think that.
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  Speaker 3: I think that part of it, Hugh, is is the
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  Speaker 3: no brainer part of it. I think I don't think
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  Speaker 3: a lot of people I think you think that. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I think that, but I think a lot of people
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  Speaker 3: are really really jumping. Uh you know, I think I
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  Speaker 3: guess what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 4: Is we should really singularly focus on what it is
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  Speaker 4: that we find objectionable about what has transpired there.
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  Speaker 1: That's just my take.
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  Speaker 3: I think I think the I think there's a lot
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  Speaker 3: of problems, but as you lay it out, I think
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  Speaker 3: that that's one of those things that you know, for
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  Speaker 3: the most part, I mean, listen, if you have all
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  Speaker 3: those opportunities, and whether it's for an extra ten thousand
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  Speaker 3: dollars a year or an extra four million dollars a year.
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  Speaker 3: You know, it's it's you have to look at that
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  Speaker 3: better job situation, better better company, so to speak, and
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  Speaker 3: what have you. The weird to me, the inherent problem
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  Speaker 3: is just is just how the sport's set up right now,
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  Speaker 3: like in terms of the calendar and how it's working
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  Speaker 3: and how it you know, the fact that you know
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  Speaker 3: this takes place, you know, like not a lot of
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  Speaker 3: other professions like you brought up, Like if it was me,
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  Speaker 3: and I'll use that for now, Like if if someone said, hey,
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  Speaker 3: Ian called the play by play for the cracking game
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  Speaker 3: three weeks ago, and he's did, He's did the second
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  Speaker 3: game after that. I hadn't heard him do play by
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  Speaker 3: play before filling in for John four. And we're a
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  Speaker 3: team or the team in wherever, uh North Dakota's and
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  Speaker 3: NHL team. We'll just use that for an example. And
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  Speaker 3: they said, hey, do you want to come work for us?
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  Speaker 3: Like right now today in the middle of hockey Seaton.
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  Speaker 3: I could not do that. I have a contract. I
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  Speaker 3: could not do that. These contracts that college football coaches
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  Speaker 3: have are different than a lot of walks.
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  Speaker 1: I could not do that. You contractually could not do it.
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  Speaker 3: Contractually, I could not do that. No, I can't. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: I could not. Good that might have.
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  Speaker 4: Been that might have been interpreted as morally, I could
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  Speaker 4: not allow myself to do it.
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  Speaker 3: I wouldn't leave the crack either. But yeah, that's not
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  Speaker 3: what you're saying, right, saying contractually, contractually, I could not
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  Speaker 3: do that. Like, we have a salesperson that's on our
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  Speaker 3: staff that just closed a big deal a second ago.
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  Speaker 3: Everyone's out there cheering and getting shout out that's awesome.
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  Speaker 3: If if our competitor across street called him right now today,
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  Speaker 3: he'd have to wait for six months before he could
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  Speaker 3: work for the minimum. So to me, inherently the problem
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  Speaker 3: is and college football doesn't want to change it because
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  Speaker 3: they don't the coaches and those the power brokers in
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  Speaker 3: charge don't want to change it. But there's not a
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  Speaker 3: lot of walks of life, especially once you that make
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  Speaker 3: they're talking about, like the millions of dollars these guys
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  Speaker 3: are making where you can just cross the street and
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  Speaker 3: go to a competitor the next day, Like, there's not
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  Speaker 3: a lot that you can do that with. Most of
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  Speaker 3: us have non competes in those types of roles and
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  Speaker 3: we're not making millions, that's for damn sure. But like
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  Speaker 3: I'm like I'm saying, I'm just I'll take the radio
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  Speaker 3: out of it and just use the hockey. If that happened,
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  Speaker 3: I would have to wait till the end of the year,
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  Speaker 3: and even then I'd have to get out of a contract.
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  Speaker 3: It's more than one year. And you know, probably I could.
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  Speaker 3: You know, probably they'd say, yeah, you know, what better opportunity,
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  Speaker 3: go for it. But there's a chance they would say, no,
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  Speaker 3: you signed a contract and you need to fulfill it.
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  Speaker 3: So I do I blame a guy for taking a
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  Speaker 3: better job, as you laid it out. No, I blame
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  Speaker 3: the system. I blame the calendar, I blame a lot
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  Speaker 3: of things. That's exactly my take. Yeah, I think that's
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  Speaker 3: I think that's the issue. So you know, I listen,
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  Speaker 3: I'm curious about this. I know we'll get to sex
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  Speaker 3: and second they won twenty six to nothing. We'll get
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  Speaker 3: to that in a second. I think this because your
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  Speaker 3: your insights, I think is important. For this reason. You
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  Speaker 3: have two sons to play division on college football, and
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  Speaker 3: I believe had gosh, I want to say between the
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  Speaker 3: two of them, probably almost a half dozen coaching changes
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  Speaker 3: right during their course of their tenure. It feels like
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  Speaker 3: they had a lot from what I understand lot. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it's it's it's vastly different. Yeah, if we're hitting it
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  Speaker 3: through different lenses. Yeah, and that's I guess My question
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  Speaker 3: is because you know, if if one of your sons
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  Speaker 3: commits to I think somebody committed to Arizona, somebody committed Northwestern,
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  Speaker 3: somebody committed to you know, back and forth, and then
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  Speaker 3: the coaching change happens, and you're like whoa or you're
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  Speaker 3: there and a coaching change happens. As a dad, you know,
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  Speaker 3: what were your thoughts when those things took place? Because
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  Speaker 3: I'd be bummed out, I you know, I know you
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  Speaker 3: don't you know, it's hard.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think I was ever bitter about it. I
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  Speaker 4: just thought, Okay, that's the that's the climate. That yeah,
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  Speaker 4: that's how it takes place. And I think moreover, when
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  Speaker 4: I watch all these I think there are some similarities
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  Speaker 4: with when I was a player rep in the NFL
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  Speaker 4: for for ten years, right and for representing different teams
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  Speaker 4: and prior to the Internet, I had to I had
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  Speaker 4: to kind of apprize myself of the relevant laws. And
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  Speaker 4: you know, I went the old fashioned way. I went
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  Speaker 4: to the library and read about anti trust law and
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  Speaker 4: labor law and whatever you try and get a wrap on. Okay,
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  Speaker 4: what are the relevant laws that apply to you know,
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  Speaker 4: we were trying to go on strike. We did go
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  Speaker 4: on strike in nineteen eighty seven to an acquire free
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  Speaker 4: agency had to decertify as a union so that the
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  Speaker 4: anti trust laws would supersede the labor laws as opposed
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  Speaker 4: to the other way around. And like I mean, it's
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  Speaker 4: a whole process. We don't get into details, but I
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  Speaker 4: guess what it informed me is that a lot of
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  Speaker 4: what you see is is that we have an economics system.
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  Speaker 4: And you know, the Supreme Court looked at Austin versus
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  Speaker 4: the NCAAA in twenty twenty one, and you know, the
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  Speaker 4: lower courts ruled against the NCAA, and then and then
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  Speaker 4: the appellate court against the NCAA, and then finally the
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  Speaker 4: NCAA was stupid enough to take it to the Supreme
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  Speaker 4: Court where they lost nine to nothing. And in each
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  Speaker 4: and every turn, the courts look at college football just
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  Speaker 4: like another business, and and the players are the labor
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  Speaker 4: and UH, so you cannot horizontally conspire to suppress wages.
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  Speaker 4: Uh And and the analogy that they used the court
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  Speaker 4: that they would be like a restaurant, a bunch of
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  Speaker 4: restaurant owners in a community. They conspire to suppress the
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  Speaker 4: wages of the chefs. And their defense, uh while they're
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  Speaker 4: violating anti trust court is that the patrons at the restaurant,
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  Speaker 4: they go to those restaurants and they only go knowing
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  Speaker 4: that the chefs are are having their wages suppressed. And
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  Speaker 4: that's the reason why they go because that's the amateurism
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  Speaker 4: argument in college football. So so you see how the
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  Speaker 4: when analyzed as a business construct the courts that again
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  Speaker 4: nine to nothing. This is no liberal court by the
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  Speaker 4: way that that they they just look at us.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, this isn't enyity.
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  Speaker 4: So the freedom that we all enjoy uh in a
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  Speaker 4: free market, we have freedoms of movement. If you own
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  Speaker 4: a business, if you are an employee, when you go
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  Speaker 4: to the supermarket, all the the options that you have
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  Speaker 4: for every uh item, all of those are are components
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  Speaker 4: of a system that is designed to have competition. And
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  Speaker 4: so okay, how does that apply? So when you to
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  Speaker 4: sit here, you want to say, well, let's let's let's
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  Speaker 4: put constraints on the coaches or the players, like a
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  Speaker 4: lot of fans want. You just say, Okay, that sounds
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  Speaker 4: well and good, but that's going to run a foul
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  Speaker 4: with the anti trust laws and and it's called restrain
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  Speaker 4: a trade as we know, and that just mad. Basically,
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  Speaker 4: the courts are like they're they're egoized, and they're saying, hey,
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  Speaker 4: if I see anything that's anti competitive, you know, I'm
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  Speaker 4: eager to strike that down and say that's illegal, because
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  Speaker 4: that's the benefit that all Americans get.
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  Speaker 3: But if you're if Mike McDonald got approached by Jerry
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  Speaker 3: Jones and was offered five million dollars more a year today,
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  Speaker 3: he couldn't take that job.
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  Speaker 4: Agreed to that, And that's where the contracts and the system,
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  Speaker 4: the calendar of when these guys can move yep, just
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  Speaker 4: has to be addressed.
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  Speaker 3: It has to be you know who you know who
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  Speaker 3: came up with a great idea. I thought, of all people,
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  Speaker 3: you might know him, Dave Maller. I'm gonna read this.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure you guys will talk about it more for
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  Speaker 3: but college football needs to adopt a carbon copy of
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  Speaker 3: the NFL calendar. Free agency Transferportal opens in March. No
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  Speaker 3: contact allowed directly or indirectly with players and other rosters
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  Speaker 3: until then, Draft signing Day in April. No need for
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  Speaker 3: coaches to quit in December to save a class at
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  Speaker 3: their next stop. You're welcome. That's from Softy now.
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  Speaker 4: And I would add to that, do away with springball,
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  Speaker 4: yes that that that doesn't yes, yes, with the calendar,
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  Speaker 4: and and then have kind of like o t as
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  Speaker 4: you know, have allowed for some form of of of
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  Speaker 4: structure in June. Then you take a break and then
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  Speaker 4: you come back for training camp because you know, because
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  Speaker 4: because the calendar, what happens in the transfer portal some
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  Speaker 4: some schools are on a semester system.
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  Speaker 1: Some are on a quarter system. So so those who.
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  Speaker 4: Are on a quarter system, you have to be in class,
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  Speaker 4: you know, you know, January fifth. Others you know you're
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  Speaker 4: you're not in class to the end of January. Well,
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  Speaker 4: now if you want to transfer in uh and and
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  Speaker 4: you know, get the credits that you need. You know,
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  Speaker 4: it's just a mess uh as it tries to align
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  Speaker 4: with the football calendar. And and yet you know you're
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  Speaker 4: not going to have schools that are going to overhaul.
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  Speaker 1: Their academic calendar on account of a football no.
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  Speaker 3: And the and the point you bring up about spring ball,
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  Speaker 3: that's the only reason that that we are doing this
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  Speaker 3: right now is because the coaches and you know, they
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  Speaker 3: want they want people enrolled for as you said, whether
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  Speaker 3: it's a winter quarter, spring quarter, semester, what have you,
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  Speaker 3: they want them enrolled. They need to have them enroll
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  Speaker 3: for that by that time so they can be eligible
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  Speaker 3: to participate in spring football. And what you said is
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  Speaker 3: one hundred spring football is worth. Here's the thing. You
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  Speaker 3: know this again because you had kids that were D
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  Speaker 3: one kids. Those kids are on campus year round anyway,
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  Speaker 3: like like they could they could so the season, so
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  Speaker 3: the semester's over or quarters over, and you're out for
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  Speaker 3: the quote unquote summer. That's when you have a two
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  Speaker 3: week whatever you want to call it, spring football, summer football.
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  Speaker 1: That's kind of a joke.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's funny that that people would think that
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  Speaker 4: that's a thing, right because you get like four days
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  Speaker 4: and then you know you're back and you have to
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  Speaker 4: you have to show up at five six in the morning,
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  Speaker 4: lift weights, do all the conditioning. Uh, you're you're doing
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  Speaker 4: a player run practices. Uh, you know, seven on seven
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  Speaker 4: and all that, but you're you're absolutely expected to be there. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: it's so I don't know why you.
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  Speaker 1: Days off and fourth of July and hey, get your aspect.
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  Speaker 3: You're there, Yeah, you're there. I don't And honestly, it
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  Speaker 3: happens at all levels, to be honest with you, of
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  Speaker 3: football and basketball, volleyball, doesn't matter what the sports, soccer,
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  Speaker 3: it's every one of those sports are there all summer
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  Speaker 3: and that's what those kids are doing. And it's a
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  Speaker 3: full time job, you know. Instead you're practicing in March.
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  Speaker 3: And I always thought it was funny anyway, Hugh, Like
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  Speaker 3: you're like our two schools, Like our guys are practicing
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  Speaker 3: in you know, end of March early April and it's
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  Speaker 3: snowing half the time. Like what are you getting out
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  Speaker 3: of that? Nothing? You know, like it's you know, was
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  Speaker 3: it Washington's practicing in the rain then they have to
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  Speaker 3: move inside. It's like, come on, just I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: It used to be like some of those spring games
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  Speaker 3: where a big deal. I get it. And maybe they
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  Speaker 3: are for some places, right, maybe they are for some places,
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, I think there's a better way, and I
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  Speaker 3: think it's I think it goes back to the calendar,
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  Speaker 3: and then if you are going to change coaches, then
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  Speaker 3: you've got that time to do so it's after a
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  Speaker 3: season ends. It's just it's it's goody. I guess there
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  Speaker 3: are reports that that that Ole miss offered him the
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  Speaker 3: identical money, but you know, we know it's more than
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  Speaker 3: money at some point too. It's just it's a it's
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  Speaker 3: it's weird. It's it's I feel I feel bad for
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  Speaker 3: the guy. I feel bad for the kids at Mississippi,
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  Speaker 3: you know, like that's what I feel bad for. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: our our school on a very much lower level, like
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  Speaker 3: really lower level, has gone through that a couple times,
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  Speaker 3: losing coordinators and head coaches before bowl games. Now they're
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  Speaker 3: playing in worthless bowl games. I get it. But watching
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  Speaker 3: our offensive line coach call plays two years ago and
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  Speaker 3: Clay Maguire, good dude, having a great success at Texas Tech,
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  Speaker 3: it was a joke, like an absolute joke. Yeah, Like
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it was just it was embarrassing, like he's
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  Speaker 3: calling he'd never done that before, he's an offensive line coach.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, hopefully my kids.
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  Speaker 4: Will think in Mississippi. I think if let's say you
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  Speaker 4: were as passionate about Mississippi as I am for Washington.
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  Speaker 4: You are for Washington State. Just just close your eyes
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  Speaker 4: and just imagine you're a hardcore rebel. Right, yep, you
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  Speaker 4: if you're old enough, you can remember a hell of
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  Speaker 4: a period of time. You know, arch Manning and et cetera.
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  Speaker 4: For twenty years they were They finished in the top
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  Speaker 4: ten eight years during the decade of the fifties and sixties,
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  Speaker 4: the last time being nineteen sixty nine. The last time
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  Speaker 4: that they finished in the top ten from nineteen sixty
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  Speaker 4: nine was two years ago, obviously with Lane Kiffin. So
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  Speaker 4: now you have this essentially, you know, call it a revitalization.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know, it's just this upsurge of interest in
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  Speaker 4: in Ole miss football. And then now you're going into
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  Speaker 4: the playoffs and the entire offensive staff might who's calling it? Like,
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  Speaker 4: how are you going to formulate a game plan? Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: that's it. It's just it's yeah, you know the system.
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  Speaker 4: But then the reason I made mention of the anti
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  Speaker 4: trust laws is as soon as you think that that
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  Speaker 4: you have a remedy, just make sure you run it
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  Speaker 4: through that anti trust filter, because there's a lot of
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  Speaker 4: things that you might say, Okay, that makes common sense.
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  Speaker 4: It's going to be interpreted as anti competitive and it's
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  Speaker 4: going to be strict down as illegal.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, it's it's it's there's got to be a
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  Speaker 3: better way, Hugh. Honestly, there's just got to be a
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  Speaker 3: better way right now. And I again, like, these guys
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  Speaker 3: work your ass off all year and you're you're you're
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  Speaker 3: a playoff team, which is the goal. Like, that's a
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  Speaker 3: huge deal, and it's it's a big deal for anybody
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  Speaker 3: unless you're just Georgia and you get there every year.
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  Speaker 3: Ohio State, I guess, but I mean it's a big
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  Speaker 3: it's a big damn deal. And now you're left in
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  Speaker 3: just a shell of your former self as as a
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  Speaker 3: football team. And I think that's and then you go
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  Speaker 3: back and they're gonna go the boosters will be asked
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  Speaker 3: for more money. Hey, you got to pay more money
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  Speaker 3: than they're like, well, what difference does it make. It
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  Speaker 3: doesn't matter. I can pay you all the money in
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  Speaker 3: the world. He's probably gonna Takechambles the quarterback with them, right,
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  Speaker 3: it doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 4: Like all those guys are going to tap out of
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  Speaker 4: the boat of the That'll be an interesting because of
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  Speaker 4: the interesting Yeah, that'll be the interesting dynamic here is
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  Speaker 4: is you know, you know he's going to want to
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  Speaker 4: take players with him.
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  Speaker 3: That always happens. How many of those guys leave, how
• 15:45
  Speaker 3: many of those guys participate in the bowl game? Can
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: they retain them? And you know then they pulled the
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: old we're gonna name the infrom coach our head coach,
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: the old Dan Wilson move, very Mariner like. So we'll see,
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: uh with a guy that didn't have a lot of
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: success down an all.
• 15:58
  Speaker 4: Remember both Sam Becker ian yep, with the basketball team,
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: both Sam Beckler, Yeah, Michigan all that stuff had been
• 16:05
  Speaker 4: the ad.
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and uh who was the coach?
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: It was Steve Fisher ended up taking the job. Who
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: left I'll think of it in a second. Fisher took
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: the job? Yeah, yeah, yeah, So the other guy went
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: to Arizona State.
• 16:19
  Speaker 4: So Michigan's had basketball coach goes Arizona State before the
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: NCAA tournament, and he had said that he wanted to coach,
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: much like Lane Kiffin is saying that he wanted to coach,
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: and both Sam Beckler now the ad famously said no,
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: I want a Michigan man coaching my Michigan team. And
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: so he put in the assistant coach, Steve Fisher. Now
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: that the different and they won the title. Yeah, yep, yep.
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: You know you have to win six games, obviously, you
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: have to six and oh to uh to win that title.
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: They did it.
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: But they had all the players right, so it was
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: and you know, you had a guy, you know, who
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: could coach in the system. And and so the the
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: blow to Michigan basketball, uh, versus the blow that apparently
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: is going to be incurred by Mississippi, it's just not
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: even comparison what Mississippi is gonna Yeah, you know, it's
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: like getting the difference between getting hit by a bicycle
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: and getting hit by a semi Yeah.
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: Built it was Freer, Bill Freer, Bill Freeder. Yeah, so
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: he yep, yep, I remember that. That's all the reason
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: why we remember Bill Frieder's because he's the guy that
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: got that left.
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Bill, Bill Freer left and Steve Fisher led him
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: to the title in nineteen eighty nine. And now also
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: different too because transferring, that was just a couple of
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: years after you finished at Washington, transferring and going to
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: a different school when you were a college student athlete
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: back then was a lot harder, was it not. It
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: was very hard. You had to sit out a year,
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: and all those he had, he had to sit out
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: a year.
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: And I will say this, you know, I think for
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: a long I think people are coming around to the
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: double standard, you know, because for there was a period
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: there where I think everybody, everybody's ire was directed at
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: the players. Oh, these are selfish, they they they don't
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: have the commitment. And well, I'll tell you who else
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: doesn't have the commitment. And we're learning about that is
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: the coaches.
• 18:11
  Speaker 5: You know.
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: For example, when when my kid was getting recruited by Oregon,
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: it's like, okay, you'll be the only quarterback in the class.
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: You can have justin Herbert, who's gonna play his last year.
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: Obviously he's the guy, yep. And then in the spring
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: you'll be competing with Tyler Shuck and then whatever quarterback
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: is in the class behind you, full stop like that's
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: it right, And then they they they recruit a guy
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: named Anthony Brown after Herbert, Anthony Brett.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: He had started three years at Boston College.
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: He's throwing like forty eight touchdowns in the ACC and
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: now all of a sudden, all the reps that they promised,
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: you know, my kid going into his second year is
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: recherd freshman year, all those those reps that were promise
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: zero no, no. They Anthony Brown and then and Anthony
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: Brown and Tyler Shuck, who's quarterback in the Saints. They
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: kind of compared notes and at the exact same time
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: they were telling Tyler Shuck, dude, you're gonna be a
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: Rose Bowl MVP, they were also telling Anthony Brown, You're
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: gonna be the Rose Bowl MVP, and so and so.
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: I know this having played for Washington all of us quarterbacks.
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: We could look at the quarterbacks on the roster and
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: we could say, my path to the field is I
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: gotta beat out Chris Chandler. My path to the field
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: is you know, I gotta be beat out uh, you
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: know brock Hewart what and and everybody could see that,
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: and and Don James would look. He would tell his staff,
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: He'd say, hey, guys, we have to identify and recruit
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: and land and develop quarterbacks because on average that we're
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: going to have a new starter every other year who's
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: gonna take his very first snap and it might be
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: a conference game. Yep, Like Billy Joe Hobert's first start
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: was at Stanford. Right, it might be a conference game,
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: and we just that's the process we have to do.
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: Coaches didn't think about the portal. So while we're dumping
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: on the players that they're different, let's also understand the
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: coaches are different too, and they look at the porter
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: and they're constantly looking, hey, how can I replace my guy?
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: So so.
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: My summary on that is go ahead and say that
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: the players are are spoiled and entitled in that way
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: and they don't have the fortitude that they once did. Well,
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: neither do the coaches.
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: No one, All right, we'll get to see Hawks a
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: hardcore football coming up next with you.
• 20:47
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• 21:02
  Speaker 3: Seahawks win twenty six nothing over the Minnesota Vikings, getting
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: a nice shutout win over Minnesota at home. Seattle now
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: improves a nine and three on the season, very much
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: headed for a playoff Perth. The question is will they
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: win the West nice peag shout out to our friends
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: the Carolina Panthers. You big thank you to Dave can Allis,
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: former Seahawks assistant coach, and the Panthers for getting the
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: winner of the Rams yesterday. Thank you very much. Lots
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: of stuff to get to. Let me let me start
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: with something good and that would be h I mean,
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: Ernest Jones is okay. Yesterday A couple interceptions one eighty
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: five yard return in the second quarter make it a
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: ten to three game. It looked like just a quarterback
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: getting pressured and making a bad decision and to pick six.
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: But I know there's a lot more to it than
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: that from a hardcore perspective. Let's walk through that.
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, first of all, the vikings, they elect to
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: put the quarterback on the move, right handed quarterback. They
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: want him out in the pocket right to have an option.
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: And it's not just enough to say in my terminology,
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: it's it's not just enough to say, well, let's have
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: him uh sprint out. I have different terminology voice recognition
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: that that keys what type of roles, So so I
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: can say boot and that means one thing. That means
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: that you're the all the flow. Let's say you're faking.
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: You're faking to Kenneth Walker. And if there's a lead
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: happens to be a lead block, a lead blocker let's
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: say oots. If if we're gonna go quarterback to the right,
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: if I say boot right, that means I know that
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: whoever's in the backfield is going to the left to
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: have more of an influence on the on the on
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: the direction right, and so the quarterback is coming out.
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: It's also some people call it naked, but but there's
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: there's gonna be the quarterback after the flow, he's gonna
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: be out, and there's gonna be a guy in the flat.
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: Uh in particularly in the reds and there's a guy
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: in the flat, there's a guy in the corner, and
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: then there's always a crosser from the back. If you
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: just look at the structure of those type of plays,
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: I could say with ninety nine point nine percent. I
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: don't want to say an absolute term, that's always how
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: it is. And so, but what the Vikings did is
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: instead of having faking the back away from the quarterback,
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: the running back Jones is going to go immediately to
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: the flat. And there's a risk involved there because the
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: running back is going to the side of the quarterback,
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: they can read the flow easier. And if you go
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: back to last year October sixth, everybody remember when the
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: Seahawks lost to the Giants at home in the fourth quarter.
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: Was Seattle down twenty to thirteen on their own thirty
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: five yard line, they went forward on Seahawks went for
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: it on fourth and one, and they went from the
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: same what I call King formation with a full back
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: towards the tight end. They did the exact same play.
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: The Seahawks Gino Smith did the exact same play with
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: Kenneth Walker in the flat and Brian Burns, who was
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: the defensive island on that side, who coincidentally wears number zero,
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: a veteran, you know, their best pass rusher. He gets
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: up the field and he sacks Geno. There was no
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: influence because because you had Canine in the flat to
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: the right. My experience, I haven't done a study on this,
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: but those type of plays work better on first or
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: second down, down in the goal line. You know, the
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: fourth down, that's risky. That's risky because if you to
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: have a guy up the field on you the way
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: the DeMarcus Lawrence was, you know, I feel sorry for
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: that kid there there was nothing there. It's a man beater.
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: And Seattle played zone against the Vikings, and so you
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: had Turek Warren and you had Emon Worry out there
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: covering the flat. Emon Warri had a very instinctive play
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: once he could see that Thatreek Warren Wolan rather I'm sorry,
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: Rik Wollan had the flat. He kind of slacked off
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: to help on the corner route, to help Kobe Bryant.
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: So there was some really good morphine of the defense.
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: You know, I give credit Riek Wollan em and Worry
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: Jones obviously, and also Drake Thomas on the backside covering
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: what's called the down flat. The tight end blocks down,
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: or it seems like he's blocking down. That reduction makes
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: the defense supposedly bite on the fake. And but yet
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: Drake Thomas from the backside, he covered the down flat
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: with Hawkinson. So Seattle gloved that up as if they
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: had been in the huddle, and they they called the
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: perfect play. They covered it. They had DeMarcus Lawrence up
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: the field, and that poor kid was they had no
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: chance to get anything. Now, obviously, you know he's just
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: got to Sometimes you just gotta eat it. Gino took
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: a sack. He didn't throw a pick six, right, but
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: he took an eight yard sack because Brian Earns was
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: up the field on a play that's designed to be deceptive.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: If you don't fool that in and you don't.
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: Block him, if you're not going to block him, that
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: means you're trying to influence him. And if he doesn't
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: get influenced, you are f't.
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think just to point out remember people remember,
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: for people to reminder, it was a fourth and one
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: as well, So he's probably thinking, yeah, but I think
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: it's important because also he's probably just thinking we'll just
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: chuck it up, you know whatever. I mean, it's better
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: than losing you know, eight or nine yards at least
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: the ball the four or whatever or the not fogus
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: four yard line, what have you. Sometimes when we hear
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: people say it all the time, well it's fourth down,
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: just throw it up anyway, Well sometimes that doesn't work.
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: Well, yeah, every quarterback at some point, you know, it's
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: been said, well, don't take a sack on fourth.
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: Right it yep?
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, you know you got a prayer at least,
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: you know, and and and that is mostly true, Like
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: you know eye before he except after c Right, that's
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: mostly true, but there's a lot of words. Is not
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: like science, Like we could go through the list where
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: it doesn't apply. Yep, and so uh yeah, as a
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: general rule, don't take a sack on fourth down, right,
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: we get that part. But there are circums, certain circumstances
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: where you know a sack is is the only play,
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: the right play because it's the only play.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: Let me take a quick break. Come back. I do
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: want to ask you a little bit about the offensive
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: line or mostly what Brian Flores is doing. I mean,
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: we know he let like just the most blitz happy
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: guy in the world, I think their defensive coordinator for
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: the Vikings. But four sacks against Sam Donald, he seemed
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: to be pressured quite a bit. It's the one offensive
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: touchdown I believe just based on snap counts and what
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: my eyes saw that maybe we saw Christian Hayes playing
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: that right guard position and in place of Anthony Bradford
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: as well. But we'll talk about that offense in the
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: offensive line. To wrap up hardcore Football next.
• 27:50
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• 28:01
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• 28:07
  Speaker 3: All right, HARDCORET football continues Humil with US twenty six
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: not f of the Seahawks winning with the Minnesota Vikings.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: Talked about the I mean the defense was dominated against
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: a quarterback making his first career start on the offensive side.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: He got about six or seven minutes here. Let me
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: get to this, so easily the most the least productive
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: day of the year for Jackson Smith and Jigba two
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: catches twenty three yards on four target, Sam Donald fourteen
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: to twenty six one eight number the jumps out though
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: he was sacked four times on the day by the
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: Minnesota Vikings defense. We know the Flores model where their
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: their defensive coordinator likes to bring pressure and all that.
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: Probably had a pretty good idea. What bothered Sam Darnell.
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: He practiced with him or was against him all last season.
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: But you know, we like to maybe I say we
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: am using my meat. I like to I think Bradford
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: is a big issue at right guard. But obviously there's
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: probably more to it than that. What did you see?
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: Was it more? What floor is in the vikings were
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: doing that kind of slowed down the offense or what
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: did you see?
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: Well, I think that first of all, I got three
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: pages of notes on just the protection a loan, and
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: so how do I get it into a six minute conversation?
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: So if we go side, it's okay, no, no, no,
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: I'm asking myself that.
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: So as a general rule, this is how I process it.
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: A defense can look and say, we can defend a quarterback.
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: We got two bytes at the apple. We can defend
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: him on his side of the lion of scrimmage with
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: what we do in our pass rush, or we can
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: defend him on our side of the line of the
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: allion of scrimmage with what we do in coverage. And
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: you know, maybe you just say, well we'll drop eight.
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: We're gonna rush three, drop eight. A lot of fans
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: don't like that. It seems passive. I know as a
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: quarterback that going to those eight guys five hundred three
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: deep when you know those windows can be hard to fit,
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: you know, the timing and what have you. So there's
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: merits to both what Brian Floores did. If you just said, okay,
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: we're gonna separate, if you look at what Brian Floores
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: was doing on his side of the.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: Line of scrimmage.
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: It was so unsound, like you'd slap your palm against
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: your forehead. They were playing on an occasion three under
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: two deep a normal three excuse me, a three deep
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: two under. A normal three deep coverage would be three
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: deep four under. They would play with two under. They
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: were doing what's called quarter quarter a half where they'd
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: roll cover two to one side and they would only
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: play but they'd only have five or six guys in
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: the zone, and so they have these huge holes that
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: in theory Seattle would be able to get to. They
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: did a two deep four under. Normally it's two deep
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: five under. They would and they were doing what's called
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: a catch or Palm's technique, where the corner was sitting outside.
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: If nobody is in the flat, he goes vertical and
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: it looks like cover four, which is a four D.
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: If somebody comes to the flat, he triggers, then the
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: safety is over the top and it looks like a
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: too deep coverage. So they were doing these morph coverages.
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: You know that on occasion they would go man to
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: man and and and yeah, there was a kind of
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: a weird looking bracket on JSN. At times they went
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: zone and like boxing one in basketball, they just had
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: Byron Murphy, the dB former Husky shadowing JSN. There were
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: times where they rolled the coverage to Cooper cup On
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: and and they left Jackson Smith and Jigba free access,
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: exactly the opposite of what you you would expect. And
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: so the so what they did from a coverage standpoint
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: is is it what? And they got the Harrison That
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: number twenty two for the Viking has been around maybe
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: a Hall of Fame level safety.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: It's a lot like how the Cardinals use Buddha Baker yep.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's.
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: Freelancing, kind of going wherever he wants, just has you know,
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: plays off instinct. That's an important part of what they do.
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: But they really were allowing themselves to be unsound in
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: the coverage. But the tradeoff is they say, let's create
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: absolute Hey Havoc, let's pick on Seattle. What is the
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: worst position group on the Seahawk football team, including special
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: teams and specialists, The worst position group is the offensive line.
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: This is the thought that we all kind of know intuitively,
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: and this is what Brian Floyes says. So let me
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: attack them. And so by putting the vikings, they have
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: the highest propensity of playing a three to four number
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: one in the NFL. And you said forty four and
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: a half percent, and the Seahawks use less than two percent.
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: So the Seahawks don't practice in it against it in
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: training camp or mini camps. So they're going against this
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: three four And by only having three defensive linemen, now
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: you've got four linebackers. Even if you blitz one, that's
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: that's not really a blitz because you can still play
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: seven behind it. You can blitz two and then and
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: play these these six man zones of of of all
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: different ilk and and you're you've got two blitzers, but
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: it's only a five man rush. And so Seattle and
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: you line them all up the line scrimmage and and
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: as a general you say, okay, we want the center
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: to go to one side and the running back to
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: go on on the other. But they created so many
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: uh what Mike McDonald calls pop and drop or defense
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: linebackers take two steps forward, induce the pass uh blocking
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: by that lineman for the Seahawks, and then drop out
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: into a zone and then fire guys over line up
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: on the on one side of the field. Uh uh,
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: you know, run them over to the other side to
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: being covered. So in that process, Vikings very unsounding there
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: in their coverage. But they just they just murdered Seattle
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: and dictated terms because of the offensive line. And it's
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: not just the losing h one on one battles. It
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: was the communication held the sack fumble yep. Now that
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: happened to be on a tight end, ye right, But
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: but you know, I think the Seahawks offensive linemen were
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: equally overwhelmed physically as they were mentally. So yeah, they're
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: gonna have to solve that because somebody along the line
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: is going to look at this tape.
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm asking you. That's how I ask you, Like,
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: is that is there is there a blueprint?
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: Now?
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: Like, is there a blueprint? Can you know when Atlanta
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: Carolina the Rams again the forty nine ers that you
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: know the remaining part of the schedule, is there a
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: blueprint there that people can look at and say, hmm, okay,
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: that worked for I mean, looking what the numbers are
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: that worked for Minnesota if not for their inept offense,
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: Maybe the Vikings are in that game health for the
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: pick six. It could have been the Vikings could have
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: been taking a lead that game. Is there a blueprint there?
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: Yes and no, there is for teams that that like
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: to play a similar structure and have practiced it, and
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: you know, have the personnel the Vikings personnel, as I said,
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: just three defensive lineman, four linebackers. Uh, they played some nickel,
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: but but they have they're the lowest percentage of nickel
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: dead last the Vikings and then again the highest in
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: three four. So you can't just say, all right, well,
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: let's just install all this stuff in a week and
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: and beat the Seahawks with it. You have to That
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: has had to have been a pretty good part of
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: your diet. You have to have majored or at least
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: minored in it.
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: You can't just show up and never having you know,
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: that's not who you are, you know, like, uh, you.
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: Know the you can't just change your whole defensive structure.
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: No, you're not gonna just you know that makes sense, right,
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: So so, but if you've dabbled in this, you might
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: you know, crank it up in terms of your usage
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: of this. So you're gonna you know, you're gonna see
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: you know that those seven across seven eight. You know,
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: as a quarterback the offensive line, you got to discern
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: who do we think is coming? And then if they
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: don't come, then what's uh, what's our plan if they
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: if they overload and they've got four you know, four
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: week is like a thing you learned in high school.
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: Four week is is I've got my center's going on
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: the strong side, my running back and the guard and
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: the tackle of that side. I can handle three, but
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: I can't handle four or a vice versa four strong.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: My center's going on the strong side. I got the center, guard, tackle.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: I can handle three strong. I can't handle four strong.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: And so so.
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: When the defense lines up with eight guys online scrimmage,
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: they're they're showing you the potential a four week or
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: four strong. You know, they're not gonna go rush eight.
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: That's not what they do. That's that's that's that's suicide.
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: But trying to discern who's gonna drop off, uh, you know,
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: can be a challenge, and certainly it was for Clint
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: Kubiak and the offensive line, and that was a mess.
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: But you know what, hopefully we're doing a hardcore and
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: I know we're up against break I'll conclude it like this.
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: Hopefully we're doing a hardcore where it's it's a pivotal
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: game maybe you know, in a playoff game or what
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: have you, and say, hey, those those occasions, those four
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: occasions that they tried to do. Uh so the opponent
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: tried to do what the Vikings did. Seattle had a plan,
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: they burned them and they drove them right out of them.
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: That's and then we'll talk about the adjustments they made
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: when that happened.
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: That's the challenge for Clint Kubiak. If I was doing
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: more at for today, i'd ask you about if you
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: would make a change at the right guard position. But
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: I don't have time to do that, and I'm not
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: doing more at for it. But maybe somebody have a
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: friend that might ask me that. Yeah, yeah, because I'd
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: be curious about your thoughts on that, because Brad, there's
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: twenty one snatch by Haynes yesterday at that right guard position.
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: All right, my friend Grace, starting to talk to you
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: next week.
• 37:58
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• 40:06
  Speaker 2: joins us right now. Hi, Mike, how are you good?
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: How are you? I'm good? Hopeful holiday was treated you
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: well with three football games and maybe dinner fit in
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: with the family.
• 40:14
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it was really good.
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: I really liked it.
• 40:16
  Speaker 7: We got a fourth game on Friday, so I know,
• 40:18
  Speaker 7: I know, you know, it's not bad. I like them
• 40:19
  Speaker 7: spread out.
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: I like though, I'll tell you right now, I don't
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: know what the did they have a black Friday game
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: last year? Was this the first year?
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: I think they did?
• 40:27
  Speaker 7: But it's I was my wife and I arrest in
• 40:29
  Speaker 7: that too, because it's still fresh enough that my wife's like,
• 40:31
  Speaker 7: really on Friday. Yeah, I love to do something and
• 40:34
  Speaker 7: I love it too. My wife is like, come on
• 40:36
  Speaker 7: every day. She likes them not that much, you know,
• 40:39
  Speaker 7: every day.
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: To draw the line in the sand at some point
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: along the way. Well, there was plenty to discuss from
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: all those games. Let me start. I'm not actually gonna
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: start the Friday game just for a second. We talked
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: a little bit last week about Kansas City. They are
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: very much on the outside looking in right now the
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: playoff picture. They're six and six, they're two games back.
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: I thought it was interesting what you wrote today. And
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: I think it's interesting too because the narrative. I don't
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: know why this is, it's become kind of the running
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: joke amongst a bunch of friends of ours and even
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: my son. We're watching games, it's the Steve Steve Spagnola
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: drinking game. Every time you see Spagnola, the defensive coordinator
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: for the Chiefs, on the screen during a Kansas City game,
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: which is often, maybe even more so than Andy Reid,
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: you say, okay, time to drink, because it's all about Spagnola.
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: Steve Spagnola, he's the defensive coordinator. He's a genius. But
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: it's not the offense as much as the defense is
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: struggling a little bit this year for Kansas City.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, it's fall enough.
• 41:30
  Speaker 7: I think the offense has structural issues that you know,
• 41:34
  Speaker 7: I think they could definitely do a better job kind
• 41:36
  Speaker 7: of you know, presenting the thread of the run and
• 41:38
  Speaker 7: some of those types of things. But that being said,
• 41:40
  Speaker 7: there there's still a top five offense statistically with Mahomes. Defensively,
• 41:45
  Speaker 7: you know, the big flip this year is they're one
• 41:47
  Speaker 7: and six in the close games, the ones decided by
• 41:50
  Speaker 7: a touchdown either way. They were eleven Er last year.
• 41:52
  Speaker 7: When you compare those two things side by side last
• 41:55
  Speaker 7: year and this year, you see, yeah, the offense is
• 41:57
  Speaker 7: not quite as good, but the defense is a lot worse.
• 42:00
  Speaker 7: It's really falling off in those games. And I think
• 42:03
  Speaker 7: even though they're paying George Carlotus one hundred million dollar contract,
• 42:05
  Speaker 7: they just don't have They need another pass rusher. And
• 42:08
  Speaker 7: I think it's going to be heightened once Chris Jones,
• 42:12
  Speaker 7: you know, is done or super diminished, because right now
• 42:15
  Speaker 7: it seems like if Chris Jones gets home, you know
• 42:17
  Speaker 7: they're okay, and if he doesn't, they don't have a
• 42:19
  Speaker 7: pass rusher, and that's a real problem.
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I look just kind of looking here. I
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: mean you wrote about about Tomlin and the Steelers as well.
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: I mean there's a couple. I mean when I look
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: right now and I see two teams in Pittsburgh and
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: Kansas City that are both effectively two games out of
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: a playoff spot wildcard. I mean, the Denver's going to
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: win the NFC West, there's no doubt. So Kansas City's
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: reigned there comes to an end. They need to get
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: in as a wildcard. Pittsburgh has a better chance statistically
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: They're tied record wise with Baltimore for at six and six,
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: but kind of feels like they're in all kinds of trouble.
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: The Aaron Rodgers part hasn't worked out. Are we going
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: to see a year in which Mike Tomlin and Andy
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: Reider are not in the playoffs both of them together
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: at the same time.
• 42:59
  Speaker 7: Well, I don't think the Steelers are going to get there,
• 43:01
  Speaker 7: but I still wouldn't write off the Chiefs, you think,
• 43:04
  Speaker 7: you know, I think that they can still, you know,
• 43:06
  Speaker 7: maybe make a push, but I think there's a good chance.
• 43:08
  Speaker 7: The one that was interesting to me I kind of
• 43:11
  Speaker 7: put three coaches together in this thing. I think Harbaugh
• 43:13
  Speaker 7: is one of them, and I think Tomlin's another, and
• 43:15
  Speaker 7: then maybe Sean McDermott, depending on what they do. I
• 43:18
  Speaker 7: think when we talk about Kansas City, even if they
• 43:20
  Speaker 7: think the playoffs they're not what they've been, we know
• 43:22
  Speaker 7: that they're six and six, So that's been your excuse
• 43:25
  Speaker 7: if you're some of these teams, especially Buffalo and Baltimore
• 43:28
  Speaker 7: who have good quarterbacks, less so Pittsburgh.
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: But like the idea that.
• 43:33
  Speaker 7: Hey, if Kansas City's out of the way and you
• 43:35
  Speaker 7: still can't make it, I mean to me, that's then
• 43:38
  Speaker 7: if I think the owners have questions about that. You know, so,
• 43:41
  Speaker 7: I think those three teams, to me, those three coaches, Tomlin,
• 43:45
  Speaker 7: McDermott and Harbaugh, what would you take right now? You know,
• 43:50
  Speaker 7: the odds of all three of them coming back, it
• 43:52
  Speaker 7: might be lower than maybe one of them not.
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: Does that make sense? Yeah, no it does. And you
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: wrote about the chance of fire Tomlin and Pittsburg yesterday
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: and just I've got a media friend back there and
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: just kind of checking in with him. It's yeah, it's
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: it's it's not good in the Steel City for sure.
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: Buffalo is an interesting one because I mean there are
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: two games back of New England, who plays tonight at
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: home against the Giants, and I mean Buffalo feels like
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: their path will have to be wild card. I mean,
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: maybe you can make up those two games along the way.
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: But it's just a little bit of a changing the guard, right,
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: Just a little bit of a changing the guard in
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: the AFC.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: I think it is.
• 44:29
  Speaker 7: I think there's semi erosion of those top teams, and
• 44:32
  Speaker 7: as long as you have the Mahomes or Josh Allen,
• 44:34
  Speaker 7: they can still get it back together and be a
• 44:36
  Speaker 7: great team, But I'm with you. I think Pittsburgh feels
• 44:39
  Speaker 7: stagnant to me. Of those teams, I think Buffalo has
• 44:43
  Speaker 7: just kind of been, you know, they just haven't had
• 44:46
  Speaker 7: their mojo the whole now. It feels like there's something
• 44:48
  Speaker 7: missing no with him, And I feel the same way
• 44:51
  Speaker 7: with Baltimore. I feel like, you know, Lamar Jackson's just
• 44:54
  Speaker 7: kind of doesn't have as normal spark or springing his steps.
• 44:57
  Speaker 7: So and you do have some of these upstart teams.
• 45:00
  Speaker 7: So I do think we're gonna, you know, have a
• 45:03
  Speaker 7: team and maybe possibly even in the super Bowl that
• 45:05
  Speaker 7: we weren't talking about before the year, in that realm
• 45:08
  Speaker 7: as much.
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: Well, let's talk about changing the guard. You wrote about
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: it was the first story you had today the Bears,
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: the Chicago Bears. Who had the Chicago Bears sitting there
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: after week thirteen as the top team in the NFC, Sir,
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: who had them there? Raise your hand? Anybody? Anybody? Bueller? Bueller?
• 45:25
  Speaker 7: I mean, I don't think that anyone with the Bears did,
• 45:28
  Speaker 7: you know, I don't think any I don't think some
• 45:31
  Speaker 7: guy in section three hundred and soldier Field had him there.
• 45:34
  Speaker 7: So and they look they their record is way better
• 45:39
  Speaker 7: than their point differential or some of the other things
• 45:41
  Speaker 7: that usually really correlate with winning. They've won a bunch
• 45:45
  Speaker 7: of super close games, and they haven't always been very
• 45:48
  Speaker 7: impressive doing it, but I do think they have, you know,
• 45:50
  Speaker 7: a coach, it gives him a little bit of an edge.
• 45:53
  Speaker 7: They've got a really good running game. They're working to
• 45:56
  Speaker 7: try to get the quarterback going, but they're winning, so
• 45:59
  Speaker 7: they're not having to hear about every week like Minnesota,
• 46:01
  Speaker 7: right they're quarterback development's a crisis every week because they're losing.
• 46:06
  Speaker 7: And in Chicago, I feel like this coach has some
• 46:08
  Speaker 7: stuff going now. So I think it's a real good
• 46:10
  Speaker 7: season for them. They're growing, they're improving. They just beat
• 46:13
  Speaker 7: the Eagles, and you know, I think it's probably going
• 46:17
  Speaker 7: to come back to earth some here. They've got a
• 46:18
  Speaker 7: couple of games with Green Bay. I think they might
• 46:21
  Speaker 7: have won against Detroit, So they're not gonna win them all,
• 46:23
  Speaker 7: but they'll probably win some of them.
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: You wrote about Ben Johnson and you just refer to
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: it as well, how much does the personality traject onto
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: the field, like his personality and just you know, we
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: know coaches X and l's and things like that, and
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: sometimes you reflection a team can reflection a coach's personality,
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: but end of the day, it's still about, you know,
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: what they're doing as a head coach or just a coach.
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: But I think we saw that early in Pete's career
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: maybe a little bit, you know, the personality translated to
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: the field. Are we seeing that with Ben Johnson?
• 46:53
  Speaker 7: I think so. I think it happens, for better or
• 46:55
  Speaker 7: worse for all of these teams. You know, when Mike
• 46:57
  Speaker 7: Holmgren came in, suddenly they weren't a penalized team. You know,
• 47:00
  Speaker 7: he was on point with a lot of that stuff,
• 47:01
  Speaker 7: and that followed him kind of wherever he went. They
• 47:03
  Speaker 7: were detail oriented. That's sort of a thing. And I think, uh,
• 47:07
  Speaker 7: for Ben Johnson, yes, you mentioned Pete Carroll, I think
• 47:10
  Speaker 7: Ben Johnson has it obviously. Mike rabel H brings that
• 47:13
  Speaker 7: in right away and it really helps, I think too
• 47:16
  Speaker 7: for some of these guys who can make a real
• 47:18
  Speaker 7: difference on one side of the ball or the other.
• 47:20
  Speaker 7: I think that's part of it for Ben Johnson is
• 47:23
  Speaker 7: he he's a you know, really has a great scheme,
• 47:25
  Speaker 7: so you see you get a little bit of added bonus,
• 47:28
  Speaker 7: you know, in addition to the personality of the coach
• 47:31
  Speaker 7: and Ben Johnson. You know, I didn't see him taking
• 47:33
  Speaker 7: off his shirt before the season is something that would work.
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: But I thought it was pretty cool the personality. It
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: was just through and I mean that I'm sure in
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: that city that works well too in Chicago. It's Mike
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: Standle from the Athletic the Athletic dot Com Pick six column. Well,
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: let's let's go back down the Pete Carroll Vegas Raiders
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: rode again. Chip Kelly fired, and you know now they've
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: there's he's already fired a special teams coach. So two
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: coaches down off his staff are both gone. The the
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: off season will be interesting, the rest of the season
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: will be interesting. Let's let's take a little deeper look
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: into what's going on with the Raiders organization. Mike, you've
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: covered this league for a long time. Is it a
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: Pete problem? Is it a Davis the owner problem? Is
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: it other people with their hands in the pie Tom
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: Brady problem? What do you see there?
• 48:21
  Speaker 7: Well, I think it is a Davis ownership problem first,
• 48:26
  Speaker 7: and I think we ran a table in the pick
• 48:27
  Speaker 7: six column today showing you know who had hired the
• 48:30
  Speaker 7: most coaches in the league since Al Davis died in
• 48:32
  Speaker 7: twenty eleven, and the Raiders were right up there, six
• 48:35
  Speaker 7: or seven, you know, a big number. And so that's
• 48:38
  Speaker 7: some of it. I think. Then, you know, Pete bears
• 48:41
  Speaker 7: some of this too, being you know, coming in and
• 48:45
  Speaker 7: I don't know what he had to agree to you
• 48:47
  Speaker 7: to hire the staff that he got. But it's not
• 48:49
  Speaker 7: good when you're fired two of your three coordinators and
• 48:52
  Speaker 7: we're not even to we're barely to December, you know,
• 48:55
  Speaker 7: in fact, before December they fired. He fired two coordinators
• 48:57
  Speaker 7: on his first staff. That's very unusual. Can you remember
• 49:01
  Speaker 7: that happening? I mean, especially for a legendary coach like
• 49:05
  Speaker 7: Pete Carroll, like what Andy Reid you know in week
• 49:07
  Speaker 7: thirteen have fired two coordinators? Well, it just doesn't happen.
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, Pete never did that here, you know,
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: like I mean, and he now he fired coordinators like
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: he did do that, but it was never in season, Mike,
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: and I guess that would be the red flag, right.
• 49:22
  Speaker 7: It looked like to me that either Pete didn't have
• 49:24
  Speaker 7: a great plan for who he wanted to hire, or
• 49:26
  Speaker 7: he wasn't able to hire who he wanted to get
• 49:28
  Speaker 7: the fits. They're a real balancing act there, you know,
• 49:31
  Speaker 7: especially for somebody like Pete Carroll, who has fifty years
• 49:34
  Speaker 7: of coaching and developing his program and has a very
• 49:37
  Speaker 7: distinct style to it. How you coach with Pete is
• 49:39
  Speaker 7: really important to Pete. The way you interact with players,
• 49:42
  Speaker 7: your mindset, all those things. And he's also even though
• 49:45
  Speaker 7: he's not associated with being schematic oriented, he does care
• 49:49
  Speaker 7: how you play a certain win offense and defense, and
• 49:53
  Speaker 7: so he needs people that are going to do that
• 49:55
  Speaker 7: for him. And it feels like Chip Kelly and to
• 49:57
  Speaker 7: some extent Patrick Graham, who you know, were those types
• 50:00
  Speaker 7: of guys for him as his offensive and defensive coordinators.
• 50:03
  Speaker 7: The special teams coordinator was inherited from last year. So
• 50:07
  Speaker 7: it hasn't felt like a great mesh there. And I
• 50:11
  Speaker 7: think most people in the Lake think they'll, you know,
• 50:13
  Speaker 7: they'll they'll blow it all up after the year if
• 50:15
  Speaker 7: us by seventeen points or more five times, you know,
• 50:18
  Speaker 7: it just hasn't been competitive.
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: Enough when you say blow it up, like Pete's won
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: and done.
• 50:23
  Speaker 7: Yeah, like Pete would be young and done. And you
• 50:25
  Speaker 7: let I think a lot of people in the Lake
• 50:26
  Speaker 7: think that, Hey, John spytech, the GM who's you know,
• 50:29
  Speaker 7: roommates with Brady or buddies with Brady, teammates back at Michigan,
• 50:34
  Speaker 7: you know football guy that they will are eventually going
• 50:37
  Speaker 7: to do this. And I'm not saying it doesn't mean
• 50:38
  Speaker 7: they were against bringing in Pete, but Pete's going to
• 50:41
  Speaker 7: be seventy five next year. Are you going to commit
• 50:43
  Speaker 7: to how much are you of the future. Are you
• 50:46
  Speaker 7: going to commit your organization to decision wise when you're
• 50:48
  Speaker 7: gonna have high picks and all of these things, if
• 50:50
  Speaker 7: you're not showing any kind of traction this year. So
• 50:54
  Speaker 7: I think Pete's got you know, December here to get
• 50:57
  Speaker 7: this thing turning.
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: Would be my guess, Well, I think, you know, you
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: bring up the you know who's bringing in the coaches,
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: assistant coach and staff. You know, I think we saw
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: that here in Seattle. Like there, we all know Ryan
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: Grubb was not Mike McDonald's pick. That was a John
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: Schneider pick. It didn't work. He made a move, and
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: the team sits there, not entirely because of the change
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: in offensive coordinator and quarterback, but they're sitting there at
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: nine and three. You know, do I guess that'd be
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: the question they're gonna have to ask, do you give
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: Pete another year and let him hire his own people.
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: But one of the issues.
• 51:26
  Speaker 7: Mike, yeah, Mike was you know, Mike was in a whirlwind.
• 51:30
  Speaker 7: McDonald's in a whirlwind of being courted by teams, and
• 51:33
  Speaker 7: it's hard to even have someone lined up. I think
• 51:35
  Speaker 7: we say it was a John Schander move. I don't
• 51:37
  Speaker 7: know that, you know. I mean, they had to hire somebody,
• 51:39
  Speaker 7: and I don't you know who who could have Mike
• 51:42
  Speaker 7: McDonald got at that time, right right, You do grub
• 51:44
  Speaker 7: and you're sort of making the best of the situation
• 51:46
  Speaker 7: and you hope it works and it doesn't, and then
• 51:48
  Speaker 7: you pivot and make a move. But I think in
• 51:52
  Speaker 7: this case in Seattle, there was a It was clearly
• 51:54
  Speaker 7: they liked Mike McDonald and even in that first year,
• 51:56
  Speaker 7: they liked what they saw from him, and they were
• 51:58
  Speaker 7: competitive and they won games and the defense improved, and
• 52:02
  Speaker 7: so there was a lot to hang your hat on
• 52:04
  Speaker 7: with Mike McDonald. Pete Carroll really is like, Okay, you know,
• 52:08
  Speaker 7: it tapered off at the end in Seattle. We know
• 52:10
  Speaker 7: he's a great coach, but he is going to be
• 52:11
  Speaker 7: seventy five, and there they they haven't. The team hasn't,
• 52:15
  Speaker 7: for whatever reason, been able to take on his identity
• 52:17
  Speaker 7: or or show much this year. So that's why I say,
• 52:21
  Speaker 7: how long are you going to commit to that?
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: I wonder too, if if just for like we talked
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: about it a little bit last week, I'll move on.
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: And I wondered even just for Pete's legacy, if you
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: know what, Pete just didn't work in the rate with
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: the Raiders, the hell of a run in Seattle, two
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: super Bowl appearances in a title, and all those things,
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: and you know, most almost every year, with the two
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: exceptions of the playoffs, on and on and on. Maybe
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: we kind of when when you and and the Hall
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: of Fame guys get together in a few years down
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: the road, maybe you forget about one year, but all
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: of a sudden, if it's two or three years of
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: bad football in Vegas, that might really taint your legacy.
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: It doesn't help, you know.
• 52:56
  Speaker 7: I think I think if he had gone there and
• 52:58
  Speaker 7: turned it and they were a nine to eighteen this year,
• 53:00
  Speaker 7: I think that would help him. You know, it would
• 53:02
  Speaker 7: be their first winning record in a while and all
• 53:04
  Speaker 7: of that. So you know, We'll see how that goes.
• 53:08
  Speaker 7: We'll cross that bridge when he gets here. Who knows,
• 53:10
  Speaker 7: maybe he and Home going to be on the bout
• 53:11
  Speaker 7: at the same time.
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: Wouldn't that be something? Okay, I really go just quick
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: thought yesterday on the Seahawks' defense dominating in a twenty
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: six to nothing win over Minnesota, taking advantage of first
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: time starter at quarterback, and even though Steve Merriucci talked
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: about how he's going to set a single game rookie
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: record for passing yards hopefully tongue in cheek, it did
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: not happen, obviously, But thought on what you saw yesterday
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: with Seattle, Well, if you.
• 53:34
  Speaker 7: Ever wanted to know what it would look like if
• 53:35
  Speaker 7: the twenty twenty five Seahawks played the nineteen ninety two Seahawks,
• 53:39
  Speaker 7: this is what it would look like. Okay, we answered
• 53:42
  Speaker 7: that question. That was the nineteen ninety two Seahawks out
• 53:44
  Speaker 7: there for Minnesota. Respectable defense, really really bad sub professional
• 53:49
  Speaker 7: offense that was so bad justin Jeferson didn't even talk
• 53:52
  Speaker 7: to the media afterwards, he just left.
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: I mean, the.
• 53:57
  Speaker 7: Ridiculous pick six interception that brosmer threw, I mean, you
• 54:00
  Speaker 7: can't even make it up. So I think this game
• 54:03
  Speaker 7: was like, Hey, I think it was. You know, if
• 54:05
  Speaker 7: you're say you wish that the offense would have done
• 54:08
  Speaker 7: a little better, I think that, you know, that's in
• 54:11
  Speaker 7: the back of our minds a little bit with the
• 54:13
  Speaker 7: ram game. This game, I do think that Minnesota Brian
• 54:17
  Speaker 7: Florenz or defensive coordinator probably had Donald's number a little
• 54:20
  Speaker 7: bit some inside info there. So a twenty six to nothing,
• 54:23
  Speaker 7: you take it, you move on. You didn't have I
• 54:25
  Speaker 7: don't think they had a big significant injury, so they
• 54:28
  Speaker 7: did what they had to do. But I think you
• 54:29
  Speaker 7: do want to see more from the offense.
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you're right. I think there was a
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: little bit of inside that trader going on, knowing what
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: Sam Donald was all about from Brian flores in company.
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: You get the win, you move on. It's there's no
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: there's no committee to determine who goes to the playoff
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: in the NFL, which is a good thing. Go check
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: out Mike's call them the pick six the Athletic. Every
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: Monday morning, go to the NFL A toaub Usually it's
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: on the front page of the Athletic as well. It
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: would be today except for some guy Nam Lane Kiffin's
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: dominating the headlines there, so go to the NFL page
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: check it out. Mike, great stuff. As always, we'll talk
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: to you next week. Thank you. There you go. That's
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: Mike Sander joining us here on the Beacon Plumbing hotline
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: this afternoon. Got a couple minutes here, a couple of
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: things one four nine four to five one. That is,
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: he's still unrestricted free agent. Text line four nine four
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: to five one. Texting your thoughts, comments, questions, concerns, all
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: that you saw over the weekend. We have been with
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: you since Wednesday. It's been a while. We've had a
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: lot going on since then. We've had a Husky loss
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: to Oregon, We've had crack and shut out Cougar's beat
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: Oregon State before a crowd of twelve people on Saturday.
• 55:26
  Speaker 5: Wasn't that bad?
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: Oh? It was bad.
• 55:28
  Speaker 5: The student section was bad. So the angle you were
• 55:30
  Speaker 5: seeing on television was of that.
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't blame him though, I'm I mean it.
• 55:34
  Speaker 5: Was cold and twenty seven degree.
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: Playing an exhibition schedule. Who cares?
• 55:38
  Speaker 8: And link this real quick?
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: Lane Kiffin is doing his introductory news conference right now.
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: We're kind of glancing up at that they're showing it
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: live on ESPN. There's a lot to this and we'll
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: get into our We're gonna have Stuart Mandel on on Wednesday,
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: and I'm really looking forward to the conversation with Stu.
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: He he and others very critical of Kiffin how he
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: handled it. Listen, there's no good way to handle this
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: type of situation when you know, as we talk with you,
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: if you missed our first segment with you today, you
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: might want to go take a peek and listen to
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: that again. We talked a lot about just the climbate
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: of college football right now. I hate it as a
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: college football fan, and I say I hate it. I
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: don't just hate that the coaching situation. I just hate
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: what we're seeing period right now.
• 56:20
  Speaker 5: I'm with you on that.
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: And it's not just college football, it's college basketball a
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: major turn off. It's yeah, I think there's a lot
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: of people that are turned off. Now. Listen, here's what
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: college football is going to lean on. They'll lean on
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: the massive TV numbers across the country and they are
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: they're big TV numbers for a lot of these games.
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: Every week we're seeing these numbers come out and they're
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: very good. And I understand, we get it. I understand that,
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: but I'll take it even too. Basketball like I saw today,
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: Like our guy Ace Glass is a freshman at Wise
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: who've got named WCC Player of the Week even though
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: they got beat up a little bit in Hawaii the
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: Mauley Invitational, but he had an incredible week in terms
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: of scoring. You can't even enjoy it no as a
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: cooper because you're like, Okay, is he playing for Duke
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: Kentucky Kansas? Where's he playing next year? Like that's the
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: first thing that comes to your mind if you have
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: a good coach and you're not one of four or
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: five programs in the country. And I mean, hell, there's
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: even rumor that and I think it was nonsense that
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: the bor might leave Alabama and go to Penn State.
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: But let's just say, unless you're Ohio State, Alabama, maybe Michigan,
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: I don't know, probably jacksas Sar can kind of write
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: his own ticket. Maybe sort there's very few programs in
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: the country that if you have a great coach and
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: you're having a hell of a season and will miss
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: is a great example of this. Yeah, that in the
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: back of your mind the entire year. As coaches get fired.
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: Can this be sustainable? Is our guy going to stay?
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: And this isn't when I bring this up. This is
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: not a hey, they should have to stay. I'm not
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: saying that. I understand that. I think Softy nailed, and
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: I think a lot of people have had relatively the
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: same thing. The calendar just has to change. We're gonna
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: have Huffman on later this week early signing days Wednesday.
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: Why well, because coaches wanted then that that The answer
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: is that, okay? But why, Like you don't even know
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: the coaching cycles not even over yet. Guys are leaving.
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: The egos of coaches also is a turnoff. I think
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: Lane Kiffin is a turnoff. He's a great villain. Going
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: to LSU is the greatest thing ever because that just
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: turns that school into the biggest villain in the country.
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: Like everyone will root against them. You might hate Alabama,
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: but you're gonna root like hell when Alabama plays LSU.
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you are.
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: That's just the way it's going to be territory anyway, right,
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: And for people trying to say that maybe he should
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: have been allowed to stay and coach foolish to even
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: think that he's going to a rival it's their number
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: two rival in the SEC.
• 58:54
  Speaker 5: You just couldn't do that.
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: No, it's there, he's going to LSU. If he went
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: to Mississippi State, it would be slightly worse than going
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: to LSU, but not much. You're not gonna let him
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: stick around and then also have another month with all
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: of your players, Yeah, to recruit them as you prepare
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: for a playoff game to go with you. LSU just
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: wasn't gonna happen. But watching this thing play out, it
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: keeps coming to my mind. And I brought this up
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: to somebody and they said, well, you know, who cares
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: about the players because they're all making their money anyway.
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: They're all hired guns. They're all that thing. I get that,
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: but not all of them are. Not all of them are.
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: For a lot of these guys, college football playoffs is
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: a pinnacle of their life. It's a pinnacle of their career. Yeah,
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: there's guys who are gonna go follow him to LSU.
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: But you work your butt off, as you mentioned, we
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: talked about it. You don't just work from August through
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: the end of the football season. You're working year round
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: as a college football player, and you get to that
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: level someplace that ole miss has never been before, and
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: your coach leaves. He had the right to. The rules
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: are in place allows him to do so. Away you
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: go hard to begrudge him for doing that. You also
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: probably if your old miss should have known what you
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: were getting into with him, maybe you do a deal
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: with the devil. Guy had been fired at a lot
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: of places, also have been a vagabond, doesn't like to
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: stay in one place for a long time, so you
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: hired him. It's probably inevitable if he had great success,
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: he was going to leave you. That's the way it is.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: But think about this. They're an SEC team, they have
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: financial wherewithal he's gone. It's just a disappointing day, Like
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: disappointing all the way around. For I love college football.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: I love college sports, and as you said it, it's
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: becoming harder to really enjoy it sometimes.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 5: I will tell you senior night, last game of the
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 5: regular season, I'm on the sidelines at Wazoo, and that
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 5: is the first thing that was going through my head
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 5: just watching the last game is which you know what,
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 5: And I was like excited because there was no definitely
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 5: that guy's gone there. You know, we didn't have that
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 5: guy where we've seen in the past where.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: It's also why we're six and six.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 5: It is, I mean, and that's not crapping on that.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: No it is.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: But there's no camp More, there's no Geometerier, there's no
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: Deshaun Stripling, who's an All miss right now as a
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: wide receiver. It's none of those guys. But but yeah,
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: that's the trade off you're saying.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: It was going that.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 5: That has not been the forefront of my mind in
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 5: covering a game ever.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: Can I ask one question?
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 9: Yeah, as someone who didn't go to a big college
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 9: football school, I see, you know, no football, right, What
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 9: is there to draw someone in who doesn't have the
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 9: tie to college football?
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: Now, that's that's a question you'd have to answer because
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: I'm just curious. I'm a college football fan, but I
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: grew up as a Husky football fan and then went
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: to Wazoo became a Cougar football fan. But I like
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: the sport, So I'm the one I can't answer that.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 3: I ask you that I think it's money to become
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: a fan.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like oh Gamba casual. I think maybe it's gambling
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: or regional in the NFL. Yeah, regional is a good
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: answer to that, But like, what school do you live by?
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 9: Like it's the same thing I say about. It's a
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 9: different comparison. I know, we're up against the clock post.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 9: So if you're just a random soccer fan that lives
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 9: in Europe, right, why would you watch the MLS versus
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 9: the European leaks?
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Why you would watch college sports back in the
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: day would be yeah, the simple part would be because
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: you were a the pageantry, the tradition, all those things that,
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: let's come back to it probably don't exist like they
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: used to. Okay, that's probably the easiest answer. All right,
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: so right, come back a Factor Fiction, Final week of that.
• 1:02:30
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• 1:02:30
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  Speaker 3: Final week of Factor Fiction. Our first pick coming up
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  Speaker 3: in a second. Before we get to that, Andrews, I'm
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  Speaker 3: having text line issues on my end. Can you help
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  Speaker 3: me out?
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  Speaker 1: What you got? What else is new? All right?
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  Speaker 9: From the two six Ian What used to make college
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  Speaker 9: football and attractive? Sport to follow for me was the
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  Speaker 9: prospect of building a program slash roster, recruiting ratings, program
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  Speaker 9: stability in a short term two to three year span
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  Speaker 9: with a chance for even longer stability.
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  Speaker 1: None of that exists anymore.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's I think that's the frustration for
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  Speaker 3: fans is just that, well, like I mentioned, we're gonna
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  Speaker 3: have Brendan huff Been on later this week early signing days. Wednesday,
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  Speaker 3: We'll have many other probably Wednesday or Thursday. I'm not
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  Speaker 3: sure what day we'll have Mon. We'll have him one
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  Speaker 3: of those two days. And that's the hard part is
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  Speaker 3: that you would get young guys and you're like, oh, okay,
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  Speaker 3: he's red shirt and can't wait to watch him play
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  Speaker 3: as a red shirt freshman, probably on special teams. And
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  Speaker 3: then So we'll talk about this with Alex and MK tomorrow.
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  Speaker 3: I'm curious what they think about the new college landscape.
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  Speaker 5: Because they got plenty of things.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's more player friendly than ever before, and
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  Speaker 3: it was kind of ridiculous in the past. Maybe they
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  Speaker 3: make guys sit out for an entire year year. Hell,
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  Speaker 3: the PAC twelve PAC ten had a rule I believe
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  Speaker 3: that if you transferred in conference. It was a two
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  Speaker 3: year that you had to sit out, so made it
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  Speaker 3: really hard. Like I, like I mentioned to Hugh, this
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  Speaker 3: is the part I don't. I don't like unlimited free
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  Speaker 3: agency for coaches and players. I don't. I'm never going
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  Speaker 3: to be in favor of that because I think in
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  Speaker 3: any walk of life in which there are we can
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  Speaker 3: discuss this more tomorrow, but in any walk of life
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  Speaker 3: in which you know your your employees, or your talents
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  Speaker 3: are valued in any way, shape or form, you should
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  Speaker 3: be a compensated for it and be also there are
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  Speaker 3: some restrictions and play. That's just that's just real life.
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  Speaker 3: You know. I mentioned before, like I won't even use radio.
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  Speaker 3: I'll just use the other thing. I'll say cracking, Like
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  Speaker 3: I could not go to John Forsland tomorrow, could not
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  Speaker 3: just go and be the play by play voice of
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  Speaker 3: the LA Kings. Doesn't work that way, you know, not,
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  Speaker 3: especially God in c Yeah, well the seasons, Hey, you're
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  Speaker 3: in the playoffs.
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  Speaker 1: No, I'm out.
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  Speaker 5: That's insane to me.
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  Speaker 3: I just I don't think anybody can convince me otherwise. Yes, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: we don't.
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  Speaker 9: And I know we have to get fact fishing here.
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  Speaker 9: Just a second, there's just so many aspects of college football.
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  Speaker 9: As someone again who doesn't have the ties to write
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  Speaker 9: the alum side of things, where it's like, I remember
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  Speaker 9: a tweet from Steve Palozzolo a couple of weeks ago
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  Speaker 9: where it's like, there's so much conversation around college football
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  Speaker 9: that isn't about football, it's about everything else, right, And
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  Speaker 9: I'm with I'm for like all the drama and everything,
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  Speaker 9: and it adds to the sport itself. Yes, but that's
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  Speaker 9: not what we're talking about anymore. It's just not it's
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  Speaker 9: and it's not just football's basketball, it's everything in college
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  Speaker 9: Let's get.
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  Speaker 3: To do it. Factor Fiction. Here we go, Final week.
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  Speaker 3: baby for a Nest show. Yeah, we are seven and
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  Speaker 3: zero now on a little bit of a heater at
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  Speaker 3: the end of the year, fighting our way back somehow,
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  Speaker 3: some way. Oregon minus six and a half against Washington,
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  Speaker 3: M Interesting. All of a sudden, things are heating up
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  Speaker 3: a wee bits. Anders.
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  Speaker 1: Look at the show's standings.
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  Speaker 9: Huh, it's probably unlikely to get a first place. Since
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  Speaker 3: Well this not we could. We couldn't because we were
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  Speaker 9: Show twenty five and thirty one, and Softing Dick twenty
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  Speaker 9: seven and thirty two.
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  Speaker 1: All within a couple games of each other. Need to
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  Speaker 10: First pick of the week is Patriots minus seven at
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  Speaker 3: I can get to eighteen to nineteen.
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  Speaker 1: That's my goal. All right, let's do it.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe pass a couple people on the way, Maybe pass
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  Speaker 3: a couple people there's only Chuck, Anders and Dick and Bucky.
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  Speaker 3: Those four are all above five hundred. Bucky is barely above.
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  Speaker 3: He's ten and nine one game above five hundred. Everybody
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  Speaker 3: else is MD's five hundre. Everybody else is below five hundred.
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  Speaker 3: Oh got a chance. Let's get there. Ah, let's get there.
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  Speaker 3: Strong start, strong, finish, strong, finish of the year. That's good.
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  Speaker 1: One more time.
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  Speaker 3: Patriots minus seven fact four nine four to five one.
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  Speaker 1: I'm having some.
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  Speaker 9: Standings issues right now that I so people are asking
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  Speaker 9: about the standings. I know, if you're close to the top,
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  Speaker 9: you want to know before the last right you do. Yeah,
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  Speaker 9: but that doesn't change your incentive it anyway.
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  Speaker 1: You've got to win every single one.
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  Speaker 9: So I will get the standings out at some point
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  Speaker 9: either late today or tomorrow.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so let me just point out this. I want
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  Speaker 3: to bring that up for this reason. So at some
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  Speaker 3: point today or tomorrow, Andrews is gonna call somebody for
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  Speaker 3: one thousand dollars from last week. Yes, and then a
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  Speaker 3: week from today or tomorrow he'll call somebody else and
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  Speaker 3: thousand buckstill one thousand dollars. That's kind of a cool deal.
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  Speaker 3: Thousand dollars better than no dollars. So simple as that
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  Speaker 3: text in factor fiction to four nine four five one.
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  Speaker 8: All right, he's here, ladies and gentlemen.
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  Speaker 3: Not often I look on the old uh on, the
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  Speaker 3: and I'm like, wow, that is yeah, bang on makes
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  Speaker 3: all the sense, makes too much sense?
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  Speaker 1: Will I make a lot of He's talking about me?
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  Speaker 9: Now?
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  Speaker 11: I am, because I post a lot of stuff that
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  Speaker 11: makes a lot of sense, A lot of sense.
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  Speaker 3: I would I would be.
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  Speaker 11: Which which unbelievable, thrilling, entertaining, just balls on you?
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  Speaker 3: Are you talking about you too?
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  Speaker 7: All right?
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  Speaker 3: Which one?
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  Speaker 1: Which one?
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  Speaker 3: Well? The herb Street stuff is just frod.
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  Speaker 1: He's just has he become.
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  Speaker 11: I think his head is literally physically up his ash.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, there's no other explanation for it.
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  Speaker 11: I think you know, I used to with him right
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  Speaker 11: back in the day, twenty five years ago. He was
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  Speaker 11: a weekly guest of the Dave Softy Maler ten to
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  Speaker 11: one show.
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  Speaker 1: Really Yeah, And then ESPN.
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  Speaker 11: Took over and cut everybody off at the pass, and
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  Speaker 11: so we lost.
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  Speaker 1: We lost the.
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  Speaker 3: Mat And I think this guy's I think his ego
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  Speaker 3: has just got the best.
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  Speaker 1: Hitting me Like, no, dude, he's gay.
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  Speaker 11: He is telling the players he's gonna go coach somewhere else.
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  Speaker 1: You're done.
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  Speaker 11: Audio Somemigo, the ad for old Miss Keith Carter I
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  Speaker 11: think his name is, that said, no, you're not going
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  Speaker 11: to be in the meeting.
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  Speaker 1: You're done.
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  Speaker 11: And on top of that, we're going to take your
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  Speaker 11: rack of clothing your office and put it in the
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  Speaker 11: parking lot. I thought it was freaking phenomenal, good for them.
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  Speaker 3: The one I like, though this is a Dave Softy
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  Speaker 3: Maller sixteen hours ago. College football just needs to adapt
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  Speaker 3: a carbon copy of the NFL calendar. Free agency transferport
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  Speaker 3: will open in March. No contact allowed directly or indirect
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  Speaker 3: with players on other rosters until then, Draft signing Day
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  Speaker 3: in April. No need for coaches to Quinn December to
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  Speaker 3: save a class at their next stop. You're welcome. I
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  Speaker 3: brought this up with Hugh and he brought up the
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  Speaker 3: same thing, which I thought of as well, because the
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  Speaker 3: only reason they do all this stuff now gonna get
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  Speaker 3: him a role for spring screwf spring football, Like, just right,
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  Speaker 3: have that in May or June or whatever you want
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  Speaker 3: to do. It makes way too much sense there. There
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  Speaker 3: is no other sport that allows a coach to be
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  Speaker 3: poached from another team in the middle of the season.
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  Speaker 3: Here's the thing.
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  Speaker 11: I mean, obviously, the reason why the Kiffin thing is
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  Speaker 11: so big is because Ole Miss is playing for a title, right,
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  Speaker 11: I get it, there's more of a spotlight on this ones,
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  Speaker 11: but this isn't the first time we've seen a coach
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  Speaker 11: lead before a season ends. I mean, look, you know
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  Speaker 11: Steve Sarkisian not that people want to compare what Ole
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  Speaker 11: Miss is doing in the playoff to the Fight.
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  Speaker 1: Hunger Ball in San Francisco.
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  Speaker 11: But Steve Sarkisian took off to go be the coach
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  Speaker 11: at USC and missed the ball game, and two he
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  Speaker 11: had to take over and he won a game for them.
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  Speaker 11: I mean, I kind of feel like sometimes we decide
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  Speaker 11: how big a deal things should be for other players
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  Speaker 11: and other people. Like I don't know how pissed off
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  Speaker 11: those guys were when sark left. I have no idea
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  Speaker 11: how angry they were. Maybe they were, you know, completely
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  Speaker 11: angry at him, mortified that he would quit and not
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  Speaker 11: be there for the for the bowl game against BYU
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  Speaker 11: that that season. I got no idea how the players
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  Speaker 11: felt about it. But I just think that you give
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  Speaker 11: these coaches this window. You're going to put a signing
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  Speaker 11: day in December, which is Wednesday, for crying out loud.
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  Speaker 1: We got to have the kids enrolled for spring ball? No,
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  Speaker 1: how about this?
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  Speaker 11: How about they finished their senior year of high school,
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  Speaker 11: go play baseball like normal people.
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  Speaker 3: Go to the prom, do whatever you're gonna do. Yes, yes, yes,
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  Speaker 3: like a seventeen year olds should be doing. Yes, all
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  Speaker 3: those things.
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  Speaker 11: Go get arrested for an open container, have some fun,
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  Speaker 11: go to a keg at the arboretum, whatever you want
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  Speaker 11: to do, floor in the gymnasium, all those things.
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  Speaker 1: Kid, Yeah, all right, leaving.
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  Speaker 11: School and going to calvinch when you're seventeen years old
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  Speaker 11: in January, so you can maybe get on the field
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  Speaker 11: in the fall, right and all that. I agree with
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  Speaker 11: that tweet, by the way, that was agreed.
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  Speaker 1: Good tweet. It's what was the second one?
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  Speaker 3: No, the first one was the hurt Street Okay, sorry,
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  Speaker 3: the second one was the thing.
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  Speaker 9: Okay, should I interrupt something real quick? I just saw
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  Speaker 9: this news. I don't know if you guys have seen this,
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  Speaker 9: and I need what.
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  Speaker 1: Would have said no?
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  Speaker 9: But then I was I'll let you go ahead, go ahead.
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  Speaker 9: Did you see that the Giants defensive end Abdul Carter
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  Speaker 9: will miss the first.
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  Speaker 11: I don't know if that's true that from Wes Steinberg's Twitter. Yes, yeah,
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 11: I don't know if Wes Steinberg is a real person.
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  Speaker 11: By the way, you might want to be careful. There
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  Speaker 11: is a sketule of climbing exactly. I just texted Seth
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  Speaker 11: Everett a ka off and he is he has no
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  Speaker 11: idea who he is.
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  Speaker 9: Okay, this should I read what I'm seeing.
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  Speaker 1: The disclaimer, this could be could be not correct. Okay.
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  Speaker 9: According to Wesley Steinberg, is Giants defensive Carter will miss
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  Speaker 9: the first drive tonight for disciplinary reasons after getting caught
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  Speaker 9: watching porn in a team meeting when his headphones were disconnected.
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  Speaker 1: Please be true, please.
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  Speaker 3: I thought it was something serious, like, no, that's actually
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  Speaker 3: is this serious at all?
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  Speaker 1: Okay? I don't know what this guy is.
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  Speaker 11: What's the guy's name, Wes Wesley Steinberg Steinberg, Yeah, I
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  Speaker 11: think I went to Sunday School.
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  Speaker 4: I was.
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  Speaker 5: By the way, we can tell Purple Sheet. We're all
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  Speaker 5: googling porn on our work laptops right now.
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  Speaker 3: For the reason I.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: Was Don Jackson.
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  Speaker 11: I was at the Jed Fish press conference last week
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  Speaker 11: and I opened up my iPad right in the middle
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  Speaker 11: of the press conference and a commercial started.
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  Speaker 1: Playing off my iPad. Oh god, oh that's or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: I thank god it was a commercial.
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  Speaker 3: I did that earlier show. Actually, he was a self
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 3: described NFL in New York Giants inside.
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  Speaker 11: Nobody knows who he is, dude, and the fact that
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 11: he has a blue check mark means nothing.
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  Speaker 1: You can pay for that. I know that, I know,
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  Speaker 1: I know that thing.
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  Speaker 3: I'm wondering how he has twenty three thousand followers.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean there's a lot of parody accounts that
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: have millions of follow.
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  Speaker 3: He's not followed by anybody I'm following, including Seth, says
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  Speaker 3: Seth bo. Yes, I know him, Seth Everett my real name.
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  Speaker 3: Well duh, yeah, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: You just mixed up up everyone off randomly. Yeah, GIBBERI
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  Speaker 1: his name off.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, have you never met Seth.
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  Speaker 5: Seth Everett several times?
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  Speaker 11: I know that Seth Everett bogged and off. Jesus, he's
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  Speaker 11: a treat to.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, he doesn't know who he is.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so you know what I'm going with, Seth not
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  Speaker 3: knowing who this guy is meeting is. But that's a
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 3: great story. It is so it is so God, what
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  Speaker 3: should we go to watch his.
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  Speaker 1: First drive to do?
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  Speaker 11: We should do a show one day, maybe in the
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 11: midll of summer whatever, where all we do is just
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 11: fake news. People have to decide what's legit and what's Oh,
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  Speaker 11: that's a great right, we kind of like.
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  Speaker 1: Mix it up a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: I like it. I like that, I like that idea.
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  Speaker 3: I'm trying to figure out what So he's fifty two
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  Speaker 3: news or real journalists fifty one?
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  Speaker 1: You decide?
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  Speaker 10: All right?
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  Speaker 1: So what hey?
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  Speaker 3: So watch tonight if number fifty one is not out
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  Speaker 3: there for the giants in the first drive. Everyone knows
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  Speaker 3: this because he was watching porn in a team meeting meeting.
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  Speaker 5: Wait, I'm sorry, just the setting alone makes me fake news.
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  Speaker 3: This softie on his computer right now, watch he leaves
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  Speaker 3: his screen up. Quick alt control all delete, control all delete,
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  Speaker 3: All right, what a you got going on? It's how
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  Speaker 3: that works, by the way, Oh really, damn.
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  Speaker 1: Through your browser? What I got today? Humil will be
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  Speaker 1: here or o'clock?
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  Speaker 11: A couple of segments with him Little Factor Fiction four
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  Speaker 11: you a little fun with audio and today a special
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  Speaker 11: day the return for one day of the Opponent Audio
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  Speaker 11: recap with Paul Allen from KFA.
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  Speaker 1: What time at four forty five? Sorry?
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  Speaker 11: Three thirty today? No wait, hang on, no way, it's off.
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  Speaker 1: Jackson's here? What time or forty five or forty five?
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  Speaker 3: Jackson? Can you put on a three thirty instead? I
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  Speaker 3: want to hear it.
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  Speaker 1: We might play it twice?
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  Speaker 3: Can you play twice?
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  Speaker 1: That's not to do textimonials. That's what good. That's a
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  Speaker 1: good point. He's too lazy to.
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  Speaker 3: Get text three forty five? Can we hear it? Three
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  Speaker 3: forty five?
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  Speaker 1: No, four forty five. You gotta listen.
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  Speaker 11: That's your that's your reward for listening to us for
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  Speaker 11: two hours.
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  Speaker 1: The pain will be rewarded.
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  Speaker 3: The beautiful thing is there's a little thing called the
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  Speaker 3: podcast on the iHeartRadio app.
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  Speaker 1: Podcast.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, I can't podcast it, right Jackson, because it's an
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 11: NFL property.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: Is that right now?
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  Speaker 3: It's an iHeart station.
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  Speaker 1: You're fine, just giving the guy a reason to listen.
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  Speaker 3: You listen to podcast. Listen to you from three until
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  Speaker 3: four when I get home. Sometimes you don't listen to
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  Speaker 3: me when you're at home. No, I don't either, hear
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  Speaker 3: my wife just want to listen to you?
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  Speaker 1: Amen? Do you want to hear voice? Listen to you?
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: Why would you want to listen to me?
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  Speaker 11: So true for the mild mannered and marginally objectionable Inverness.
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  Speaker 1: This is paddle day saying so long everyone,