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Mega Edition: Bryan Kohberger And The Case Against Him In Pennsylvania (8/8/26) · Beyond The Horizon

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Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome back to the program. Recently,
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Speaker 1: we were talking about the sealed search warrant from Pennsylvania
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Speaker 1: and if that was going to be unsealed or not. Well,
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Speaker 1: lo and behold, that bad boy has been unsealed, and
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Speaker 1: we're definitely going to go through it line by line.
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Speaker 1: But before we add the actual warrant to the catalog,
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Speaker 1: we're going to dive into this article from Fox News
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Speaker 1: and kind of get an overview about what they found
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Speaker 1: when they executed this search warrant. This article was published
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Speaker 1: by Fox News headline Idaho murders Brian Coberger's Pennsylvania warrants unsealed.
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Speaker 1: The warrant had been sealed for sixty days. This article
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Speaker 1: is authored by Michael Ruiz. A Pennsylvania court has unsealed
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Speaker 1: the December thirtieth search warrant in the Idaho student murders case,
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Speaker 1: which led to the arrest of suspect Brian Koberger at
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Speaker 1: his parent house in the Pocono Mountains nearly seven weeks
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Speaker 1: after the slayings. Police seized a number of new items
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Speaker 1: at the home, including medical style gloves, a black sweatshirt
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Speaker 1: size thirteen Nike sneakers, and they also took a buckle swab.
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Speaker 1: And what a buckle swab is is when they take
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Speaker 1: some of the cells from inside of your cheek. So
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Speaker 1: like when you see one of those cop movies or
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Speaker 1: cop shows and they're getting the DNA from somebody from
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Speaker 1: the side of their.
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Speaker 2: Cheek, that's a buckle swab.
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Speaker 1: And as far as the Nike shoes go, I took
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Speaker 1: a look around at some Nike's, just a quick look.
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Speaker 1: I didn't go too deep, but looking at Nike shoes
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Speaker 1: that have similar soles to Vans, I came up pretty short.
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Speaker 1: There really aren't too many shoes out there with a
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Speaker 1: similar pattern to the Van shoe. But we have to remember,
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Speaker 1: all we heard was a diamond shaped latent print, so
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Speaker 1: that could be construed several different ways, and until we
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Speaker 1: have more context, we don't really know one way or
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Speaker 1: the other. Now, likely he was wearing some Vans, or
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Speaker 1: whoever committed these murders was wearing a pair of Vans,
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Speaker 1: but we can't discount the fact that there might be
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Speaker 1: another pair of shoes out there that share a similar
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Speaker 1: soul pattern. I know I'm not an expert in shoes,
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Speaker 1: you know, an old ass man these days, So I'm
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Speaker 1: not really hip on what all the cool shoes are,
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Speaker 1: but I'm guessing not many of them have the same
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Speaker 1: soul as a pair of vans, So them retrieving the
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Speaker 1: pair of Nikes here is pretty interesting. Honestly, what could
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Speaker 1: those nikes have to do with what happened in Moscow?
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Speaker 1: Maybe nothing, but the investigators thought that they were significant
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Speaker 1: enough that they're going to swoop them up with this
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Speaker 1: search warrant. Coburger, a twenty eight year old criminology PhD
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Speaker 1: student at Washington State University during the attack, is accused
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Speaker 1: of ambushing before University of Idaho students in the middle
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Speaker 1: of the night, right on November thirteenth. The schools are
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Speaker 1: about seven miles apart, and it's crazy to think how
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Speaker 1: many of these killers end up murdering people so close
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Speaker 1: to their own home. I would think that if you're
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Speaker 1: going to be a killer, that you'd want to do
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Speaker 1: it somewhere far from where you live. But it seems
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Speaker 1: like all of these killers, or at least a vast
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Speaker 1: majority of them at the very least, commit a few
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Speaker 1: of these crimes close to home. And then you look
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Speaker 1: at a guy like Israel Keys, who really planned out
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Speaker 1: his murders and traveled across country to do it. And
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Speaker 1: the reason he was caught was because he committed a
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Speaker 1: crime close to home. So these guys that do this
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Speaker 1: close to home, it's only a matter of time before
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Speaker 1: they get nailed.
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Speaker 2: Even BTK.
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Speaker 1: Look how long he was active, and he was praying
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Speaker 1: on a community that he was living in, but eventually
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Speaker 1: he got too cute and he got nailed. The attack
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Speaker 1: killed twenty one year old Klee Gonsalves and Madison, along
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Speaker 1: with their twenty year old housemaids Anna Kernodle and her
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Speaker 1: boyfriend Ethan Chapin, and according to the warrant, a few
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Speaker 1: of the items that were seized was one Defiant silver flashlight,
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Speaker 1: four medical style gloves, white Arizona Gene Company large T shirt,
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Speaker 1: Champion Washington Cougar large black sweatshirt, a pair of black
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Speaker 1: and white sized thirteen Nike shoes, a pair of black
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Speaker 1: under armour socks, under armour, black large shorts, under armour,
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Speaker 1: black Boxer large, and one bucle swab. I guess it's
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Speaker 1: safe to say that Brian Coberger liked to rock some
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Speaker 1: under armour, huh. According to the court documents, police found
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Speaker 1: a k bar knife sheath near a Mogan's body and
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Speaker 1: recovered a DNA sample from the snap. That DNA was
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Speaker 1: a familial match for another sample taken from the trash
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Speaker 1: at the Coburger family residents in all Brightsville, Pennsylvania. After
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Speaker 1: tracking Coburger across the country, police said they believed his
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Speaker 1: vehicle allegedly spotted at the crime scene the night of
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Speaker 1: the slayings was parked in a two car garage on
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Speaker 1: the west side of his parents' home. Police say his
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Speaker 1: vehicle arrived at his parents' house on December sixteenth, and
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Speaker 1: investigators spotted him walking around outside on December twenty seventh.
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Speaker 1: He left his parents' house on December twenty eighth, and
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Speaker 1: investigators observed him traveling to various locations in Monroe County.
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Speaker 1: After a tactical raid at his parents' home on December thirtieth,
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Speaker 1: police searched the house and attached garage, a shed, and
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Speaker 1: his car. Other items they seized include a silver flashlight
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Speaker 1: and several other articles of clothing. And I have no
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Speaker 1: idea how significant any of that clothing is going to be.
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Speaker 1: We're talking about quite some time between when the murders
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Speaker 1: occurred and when he was arrested, so he had plenty
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Speaker 1: of time to clean those clothes up, put him in
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Speaker 1: the wash, whatever. But is that going to get rid
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Speaker 1: of all of the evidence. With the technology they have
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Speaker 1: these days, who the hell knows they can pull stuff
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Speaker 1: out of the most minute little sample that they're able
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Speaker 1: to pull from a crime scene. So I wouldn't be
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Speaker 1: resting easy if I was Brian Coburger and I happened
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Speaker 1: to have any of these items of clothing on when
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Speaker 1: these crimes occurred, because if that's the case, they're going
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Speaker 1: to be able to find the DNA on the clothing. However,
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Speaker 1: like I've said several times, I don't think that Brian
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Speaker 1: Coburger has the clothes anymore. If he is the person
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Speaker 1: the government's telling us he is, then he got rid
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Speaker 1: of all of those clothes, right, he got rid of
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Speaker 1: the knife. Why would he hold on to any.
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Speaker 2: Of that stuff?
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Speaker 1: That would just be absolutely insane. And if he had it,
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Speaker 1: well where is it? They rated his apartment, they raided
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Speaker 1: his office, they rated his parents' house, and they have
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Speaker 1: his car. So unless he has it hidden in the cloud,
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Speaker 1: chances are he already ditched it. While the warrant application
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Speaker 1: specifically asked for permission to seize and search Coburger's devices.
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Speaker 1: The inventory have seized items doesn't mention any However, investigators
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Speaker 1: did note in their filing that his cell phone appeared
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Speaker 1: to be in the vicinity, so that's pretty interesting. They
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Speaker 1: haven't said that they've seized a cell phone yet, and
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Speaker 1: we have seen the warrant from his apartment, and now
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Speaker 1: we have seen the warrant from when he was arrested.
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Speaker 1: So did they not seize a cell phone from him?
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Speaker 1: I find that hard to believe. I guess maybe with
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Speaker 1: it being in the vicinity here, that's something that they
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Speaker 1: could have swooped up as well, given probable cause.
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Speaker 2: But I can't confirm that. I don't know one way
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Speaker 2: or the other.
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Speaker 1: So that's going to be something we're going to have
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Speaker 1: to try and figure out and get a little more
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Speaker 1: context on as far as if a cell phone or
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Speaker 1: an electronical device besides the comput was seized. Coburger is
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Speaker 1: being held in the Lata County Jail in Moscow, Idaho,
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Speaker 1: without bail. He faces four counts, a first degree murder
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Speaker 1: and a felony burglary charge. He's due back in court
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Speaker 1: on June twenty six for a preliminary hearing where his
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Speaker 1: defense plans to challenge the evidence against him. Well, you
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Speaker 1: can count me amongst the people who are very interested
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Speaker 1: in seeing how Brian Coohberger plans on doing that, considering
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Speaker 1: we haven't heard anything as far as anyone else who
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Speaker 1: could have been involved, or anything that would lead us
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Speaker 1: to believe that Brian Cohberger isn't the right guy. So
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Speaker 1: I don't know how he plans to challenge this evidence
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Speaker 1: against him. Obviously the basics right, Gonna pull holes in it,
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Speaker 1: gonna try and have better experts than the experts being
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Speaker 1: provided by the prosecution, and remember their goal is just
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Speaker 1: to seed enough doubt that one or two of the
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Speaker 1: jurors don't believe that Brian Coberger is the man that
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Speaker 1: the government is saying that he is. But I have
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Speaker 1: no idea how they plan on doing that. Authorities have
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Speaker 1: not publicly established a motive for the attack, but allege
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Speaker 1: that Coburger stalked the victim's house at least a dozen
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Speaker 1: times before the slayings end returned once more to the
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Speaker 1: scene hours later. And as far as motive, we have
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Speaker 1: no concrete evidence one way or the other. Now there's
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Speaker 1: a bunch of circumstantial evidence that would lead us to
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Speaker 1: believe that Brian Coberger was stalking at the very least
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Speaker 1: one of these girls. And if you add up all
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Speaker 1: of that circumstantial evidence together, it provides a pretty damning
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Speaker 1: picture for Brian Coburger. So we'll see what his defense
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Speaker 1: comes up with, and we'll see what kind of strategy
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Speaker 1: they end up unfurling, because Brian Coberger is certainly facing
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Speaker 1: fourth down and long and in need of a Hell Mary.
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Speaker 1: All Right, folks, that's gonna do it for this one.
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Speaker 1: Like I said said earlier, we're going to go through
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Speaker 1: the actual warrants themselves and add them to the catalog
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Speaker 1: like we do all of the other court documents. All Right, folks,
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Speaker 1: that's gonna do it for this one. All of the
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Speaker 1: information that goes with the episode can be found in
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Speaker 1: the description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome back to
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Speaker 1: the program. Earlier we were talking about the extradition process
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Speaker 1: and if Brian Croberger was going to fight that extradition. Well,
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Speaker 1: now we're hearing from his lawyer, his court appointed lawyer
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Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania, that he won't fight the extradition and that
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Speaker 1: he's eager to exonerate himself and clear his name. So
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Speaker 1: today we have an article from Law and Crime and
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Speaker 1: the headline Idaho murder suspect agrees the way of extradition
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Speaker 1: from Pennsylvania, issues statement via attorney that he's eager to
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Speaker 1: be exonerated. I figured that this dude would play games
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Speaker 1: from the very beginning after he was caught and we
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Speaker 1: found out who he was as far as his background,
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Speaker 1: criminology and all of that, I thought that he'd try
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Speaker 1: and be one of these guys who thinks he's the
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Speaker 1: smartest man in the room.
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Speaker 2: And now he's already starting his shit. Right.
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Speaker 1: Oh, I want to be exonerated. I can't wait to
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Speaker 1: clear my name. I didn't do this, was anyone else arrested.
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Speaker 1: Seems to me that he thinks this is all one big,
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Speaker 1: gigantic game still. The author of this article is Sarah Rumph.
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Speaker 1: Brian Christopher Coberger, the twenty eight year old arrested Friday
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Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania in connection to the murders of four college students,
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Speaker 1: has agreed to waive extradition back to Idaho, but seems
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Speaker 1: poised to fight the charges, issuing a statement through his
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Speaker 1: attorney that he is eager to be exonerated, So that
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Speaker 1: means we should expect him not to accept any plea deals,
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Speaker 1: him not to give the police any kind of information,
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Speaker 1: and for him to try and fight these charges in
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Speaker 1: a court of law. At least that's what they're saying
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Speaker 1: right now. But sometimes, after you have all of the
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Speaker 1: evidence presented to you and it's very compelling, some of
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Speaker 1: these killers will try and take a plea deal so
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Speaker 1: that they don't have to face the death penalty. Now,
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Speaker 1: I don't know if that's going to be on the
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Speaker 1: table here. We're talking about Idaho, and chances are they're
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Speaker 1: going to try and slam home the death penalty. That
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Speaker 1: would be my guess. Coburger is facing four counts of
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Speaker 1: murder for the stabbing deaths of University of Idaho students
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Speaker 1: Kaylee Gonsalvez, Madison Mogan, Xana Kernodle, and Ethan Chapin. The
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Speaker 1: three women in, Chapin Kernodle's boyfriend, were discovered stabbed to
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Speaker 1: death on November thirteenth in the home the women were
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Speaker 1: renting near campus. On Friday morning, Colberger was arrested by
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Speaker 1: the FBI and Pennsylvania State Police. Arraigned by a Monroe
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Speaker 1: County Judge and ordered held without bail. He is a
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Speaker 1: PhD student in the Department of Criminal Justice in Criminology
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Speaker 1: at Washington State University in Pullman, Washington, just over eight
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Speaker 1: miles from the location of the murders in Moscow, Idaho.
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Speaker 1: And with him living in such close proximity to where
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Speaker 1: these murders occurred and him going to school up in Pullman,
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Speaker 1: he could have run into these girls anywhere, and he
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Speaker 1: could have came across them in a variety of different ways,
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Speaker 1: at a bar, at a restaurant, who the hell knows.
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Speaker 1: But with him living so close, it starts to make
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Speaker 1: a little bit more sense now as to how he
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Speaker 1: might have met them or seen them, or how they
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Speaker 1: came onto his radar overall, just in general, because there
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Speaker 1: had to be some way that he met one of
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Speaker 1: these girls or one of the roommates or ethan, which
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Speaker 1: it didn't seem like that was the case. But until
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Speaker 1: we have all of the facts, can't, you know, discount things.
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Speaker 1: But it certainly seems like he met one of these
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Speaker 1: girls in passing or something like that, and from there
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Speaker 1: he developed one of these crazy people fascinations with them,
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Speaker 1: and how many times have we seen stories like that?
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Speaker 1: And then I go back to all of the stories
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Speaker 1: we've heard about kay Lee and the stalker, and I
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Speaker 1: say to myself, is this the guy they were talking about?
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Speaker 1: According to authorities, Coburger traveled to the Pocono Mountains, where
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Speaker 1: his parents live, for the holidays, and the FBI tracked
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Speaker 1: him as he made the twenty five hundred mile cross
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Speaker 1: county drive in a white Hondai a Lantra, the make
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Speaker 1: and model of car that Moscow police had publicly identified
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Speaker 1: as a focus of their investigation. So this guy, who
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Speaker 1: is mister criminology over here, mister hotshot, uses his own
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Speaker 1: car to commit these murders and then thinks it's a
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Speaker 1: good idea to drive that same car across country and
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Speaker 1: keep possession of it. Not as bright as he thought
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Speaker 1: he was.
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Speaker 2: Isy. CNN reported on.
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Speaker 1: Saturday that the FBI track Coburger for four days while
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Speaker 1: police gathered probable cause for a warrant. A law enforcement
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Speaker 1: source told CNN that Coburger was identified by running unknown
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Speaker 1: DNA evidence found at the crime scene and running it
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Speaker 1: through a public genetic genealogy database to find potential DNA
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Speaker 1: relatives of the suspect.
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Speaker 2: Well there you go. Not as bright as you thought.
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Speaker 1: And even if it comes back that he was wearing
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Speaker 1: like some Tibek suit or he had preparations in place,
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Speaker 1: he was wearing some kind of coverall so he didn't
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Speaker 1: get blood splatter on him.
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Speaker 2: Whatever it is, none of it worked out, did it.
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Speaker 1: This scumbag thought he was getting away with the crime
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Speaker 1: of the century, and he was following along the whole
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Speaker 1: entire time. In fact, I even read an article recently
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Speaker 1: that he called into a true crime podcast that was
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Speaker 1: following along with the case. I mean, if he was
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Speaker 1: doing that, then he most certainly was following along in
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Speaker 1: the news and on Reddit other forums. Who the hell
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Speaker 1: knows where else he was posting. But it seems like
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Speaker 1: all of these sick bastards who commit these kinds of crimes,
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Speaker 1: these kinds of murders, they love to follow along with
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Speaker 1: it as it's unfolding in the media. Jason Allen Lebar,
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Speaker 1: the chief public Defender from Monroe County who was appointed
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Speaker 1: to represent Colberger in Pennsylvania, issued a statement on his
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Speaker 1: client's behalf. As reported by NBC Philadelphia, mister Kohlberger intends
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Speaker 1: to waive his extradition hearing to expedite his transport to Idaho,
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Speaker 1: said Lebar. Mister Colberger has been accused of very serious crimes,
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Speaker 1: but the American justice system cloaks him in a val
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Speaker 1: of innocence. He should be presumed innocent until proven otherwise,
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Speaker 1: not tried in the court of public opinion. One should
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Speaker 1: not pass judgment about the acts of the case unless
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Speaker 1: and until a fair trial in court, at which time
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Speaker 1: all sides may be heard and inferences challenged. Yeah, good
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Speaker 1: luck with that, Good luck with that. The whole Oh,
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Speaker 1: you're gonna taint the jury pool. No way, that's a
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Speaker 1: bunch of bs. That's archaic nonsense. Nobody's taking the jury
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Speaker 1: pool by having a conversation on the internet. Spice appear
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Speaker 1: and this dude right here, he's gonna get a fair trial.
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Speaker 1: He's gonna get to sit in front of a jury
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Speaker 1: of his peers and they're gonna render a decision. And
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Speaker 1: my guess is it's going to be a recommendation to
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Speaker 1: the court that they put this man to death because
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Speaker 1: what he did absolutely heinous, calculated, premeditated, and then the
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Speaker 1: gruesome act of carrying out these murders. This is not
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Speaker 1: a man who is ever gonna be rehabilitated. So why
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Speaker 1: bother with the nonsense, Why bother wasting any money keeping
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Speaker 1: this dude alive. Give him the death penalty and be
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Speaker 1: done with it. Of course, that's after a speedy trial
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Speaker 1: and he's convicted. Mister Coburger is eager to be exonerated
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Speaker 1: of these charges and looks forward to resolving these matters
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Speaker 1: as promptly as possible, added Labar. In an interview with CNN,
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Speaker 1: Labar provided additional details about his client's arrest, confirming that
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Speaker 1: Coburger was arrested at his parents' house in Pennsylvania and
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Speaker 1: was cooperative with police. According to Labar, Coburger's white Hondae
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Speaker 1: a Lantra was found at his parents' house at the
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Speaker 1: time of his arrest. Coburger is being held in a
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Speaker 1: single cell and on twenty four hour watch by the
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Speaker 1: guards to ensure his safety, Labar said, adding that he
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Speaker 1: has recommended psychological testing for his client before the case proceeds. Well,
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Speaker 1: that's probably a good recommendation. Somebody murders four people as
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Speaker 1: they're sleeping in their bed, it's probably a good idea
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Speaker 1: for this piece of garbage to sit down with a
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Speaker 1: mental health professional and see what's what. Lebart noted that
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Speaker 1: the scope of his representation of Coburger was limited to
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Speaker 1: the extradition back to Idaho, and he did not really
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Speaker 1: know much about the case and didn't want to discuss
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Speaker 1: the case with him because I'm merely his representation for
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Speaker 1: this procedural issue. So that means he's not his lawyer, right.
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Speaker 1: This is the guy that's been appointed to him in
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Speaker 1: Pennsylvania as his public defender. So this isn't a man
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Speaker 1: who's going to follow him and go on and be
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Speaker 1: the trial.
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Speaker 2: Lawyer in Idaho.
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Speaker 1: He'll have to get a public defender in Idaho or
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Speaker 1: he'll have to pay for a lawyer out of pocket
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Speaker 1: if he's able to do that. The probable cause affid David,
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Speaker 1: which includes the evidence supporting Coburger's arrest, remained sealed under
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Speaker 1: Idaho law until he returns to Idaho and is served
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Speaker 1: with those papers in court. According to NBC News, at
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Speaker 1: that time the document will become public. Now it's still sealed,
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Speaker 1: and once he's extradited and he sees a judge in Idaho,
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Speaker 1: then those procedurals, those will get unsealed and will get
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Speaker 1: a good nice look at the charging document. The warrants,
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Speaker 1: all of that stuff. The attorney also told CNN that
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Speaker 1: it was an easy decision not to contest extradition because
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Speaker 1: he doesn't contest that he is Brian Koberger. And it's
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Speaker 1: as likely that law enforcement have location data from his
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Speaker 1: cell phone already putting him on the border of Washington
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Speaker 1: and Idaho. See, that's pretty decent work by the lawyer here.
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Speaker 1: He doesn't commit to anything. All he's saying is, look,
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Speaker 1: you might have some cell phone data of my client
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Speaker 1: because he lives in Pullman. Now we all know that
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Speaker 1: that's a pretty weak alibi and pretty weak defense, but
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Speaker 1: that's what they're gonna roll with because that's all they have.
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Speaker 1: So they're gonna say, hey, look, my client was in
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Speaker 1: this area because he lives there. Labar said he has
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Speaker 1: recommended that his client be psychologically tested before court proceedings.
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Speaker 1: He described his client as very intelligent and shocked a
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Speaker 1: little bit, yes, shocked he got caught, and as far
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Speaker 1: as intelligent, I mean, I guess. But one thing I
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Speaker 1: do know for sure is prison is littered with people
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Speaker 1: who thought that they were way too smart to ever
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Speaker 1: get caught. Coberger's parents were also very shocked, said Labar,
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Speaker 1: who spoke to them for about fifteen or twenty minutes
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Speaker 1: on Friday evening and was told it had been real
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Speaker 1: shock and awe to have the FBI and police at
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Speaker 1: their house at approximately three am knocking on the door
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Speaker 1: to arrest their son.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Can you imagine the shock of the families of these
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Speaker 1: kids who were murdered. So while I'm not, you know,
21:52
Speaker 1: gonna sit here and put the blame on this dude's parents,
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Speaker 1: but I don't have any empathy. Old boy was at
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Speaker 1: your house, he committed for allegedly, so the cops had
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Speaker 1: to come in and kick in the door. NBC News
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Speaker 1: interviewed Jordan sarah Lunk, a brewery owner in Pennsylvania near
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Speaker 1: the college where Coburger received his undergraduate and master's degrees,
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Speaker 1: who recalled his former patron causing problems for female staffers
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Speaker 1: and customers. And if he was doing this here, you know,
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Speaker 1: he was doing it up in Pullman and wherever else
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Speaker 1: he was hanging out. Saral Nick says Coburger came to
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Speaker 1: his brewery a few times and female staff would often
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Speaker 1: complain about his behavior. Sarl Nick said the brewery is
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Speaker 1: located in a college town and it's not unusual for
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Speaker 1: them to get unusual characters. But he remembered Coburger from
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Speaker 1: some interactions he had had with female patrons and staff.
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Speaker 1: He said, Coburger often came by himself to sit at
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Speaker 1: the bar and be observing and watching. And when you
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Speaker 1: look at that in hind site, knowing what we know now,
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Speaker 1: it certainly makes sense and fits the profile. Somebody like
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Speaker 1: this out here staring at women, probably fantasizing all kinds
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Speaker 1: of crazy, wild shit, and those fantasies he ended up
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Speaker 1: enacting them and making them realities. In Moscow, seral Nick said,
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Speaker 1: staff scans everyone's IDs, and they have a system where
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Speaker 1: they can add notes about a patron that pop up
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Speaker 1: whenever the idea is scanned. So when you scan the
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Speaker 1: idea and it has you know, a spreadsheet or whatever,
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Speaker 1: and you can go in and you can put notes
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Speaker 1: next to the patron's name, and that way that your
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Speaker 1: security or your bartenders or whoever know who they're dealing with.
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Speaker 1: And it's a good way to keep an eye on
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Speaker 1: troublesome patrons, especially in smaller towns, right like college towns.
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Speaker 1: You know, you got the ruffians. People want to come
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Speaker 1: in and fight act. The fool always get into inebriated.
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Speaker 1: Whatever it is, you put it in the column, and
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Speaker 1: you already know what you're dealing with when you go
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Speaker 1: and put up their id. Staff put in there, Hey,
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Speaker 1: this guy makes creepy comments. Keep an eye on him.
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Speaker 1: He'll have two or three beers and then just get
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Speaker 1: a little too comfortable. Ceral Nick said Coburger would ask
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Speaker 1: the female staff or customers who they were at the
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Speaker 1: brewery with, where they lived, and he said if the
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Speaker 1: women blew them off, he would get upset with them
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Speaker 1: a little bit, noting that one time he called one
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Speaker 1: of the staff members a bitch when she refused to
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Speaker 1: answer his question. Seems like a hell of a guy, huh,
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Speaker 1: out here creeping around asking people who they live with,
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Speaker 1: what they're doing at the bar, who they're there with.
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Speaker 1: So we're starting to see a profile form of this
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Speaker 1: guy from people who knew him, and he definitely seems
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Speaker 1: like a creeper and a weirdo. But a lot of
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Speaker 1: these guys, they're chameleons. You would never know if you
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Speaker 1: look at it. In just these instances, maybe he was
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Speaker 1: having a bad day. But when you see all of this,
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Speaker 1: and obviously you have the hindsight of what went down
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Speaker 1: in Moscow. It makes a lot more sense as we
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Speaker 1: see this profile getting built. This is your prototypical, you know, outsider.
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Speaker 1: He was bullied and now he's gonna take his revenge.
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Speaker 1: That kind of sick coward. There are so many of
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Speaker 1: these people in our society that it's not even funny.
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Speaker 1: But thankfully, folks, this scumbag is no longer one of them.
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25:53
Speaker 1: to the program. Brian Cooleberger is living a rather secluded
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Speaker 1: life in jail. According to sources, he doesn't get to
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Speaker 1: associate with the other prisoners, and in fact is kept
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Speaker 1: under constant supervision and constant guard. The only time that
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Speaker 1: he really gets to associate with other people is when
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Speaker 1: he's talking to his pastor. Because you know, once you
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Speaker 1: go to jail, you find God, and all of a sudden,
26:23
Speaker 1: miraculously you're as religious as one of Jesus's disciples. Isn't
26:29
Speaker 1: it funny how that works? You would think that you'd
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Speaker 1: find Jesus or God before you've murdered four people. But
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Speaker 1: don't let that get in the way of you becoming
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Speaker 1: a holy man or anything like that. I could have
26:41
Speaker 1: sworn that there were some commandments, you know, that talked
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Speaker 1: about thou shalt not kill. But maybe I'm wrong. Maybe
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Speaker 1: Brian Coberger has found a different religion that none of
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Speaker 1: us are aware of. Maybe he is part of a
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Speaker 1: new church called the Church of the Inflame Toe. Who knows,
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Speaker 1: because as far as I know, in Christianity, Thou shall
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Speaker 1: not kill is one of the most important tenets. So
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Speaker 1: all of these people who end up going to prison
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Speaker 1: and all of a sudden they find God, I find
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Speaker 1: it laughable at best. Today's article is from newsweek headline
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Speaker 1: Brian Coberger Secluded Life inside Jail reports. This article was
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Speaker 1: authored by James Bickerton. Brian Coberger, who is accused of
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Speaker 1: murdering for University of Idaho students in the early hours
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Speaker 1: of November thirteenth, is quiet and does as he's told
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Speaker 1: in prison, according to a media report, Probably a good idea.
27:44
Speaker 1: One would think that if you're on trial for a
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Speaker 1: quadruple murder and you haven't been found guilty yet, you'd
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Speaker 1: be on your best behavior while you're in the lockup.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure the jury doesn't want to hear reports of
27:56
Speaker 1: someone acting like an absolute boob while they're locked up
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Speaker 1: waiting for so probably a good idea not to wild out.
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Speaker 1: Coburger is being held without bail at the Leta County
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Speaker 1: Jail in Moscow, Idaho, the same town where the four
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Speaker 1: students were killed. The jail where the suspect is being
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Speaker 1: held in solitary confinement is located in the basement of
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Speaker 1: the Layta County Courthouse. In January, Coburger was charged with
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Speaker 1: four counts of first degree murder and one felony burglary
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Speaker 1: after being arrested on December thirtieth at his parents' home
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Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania. He is accused of killing Kaylee Gonsalves, Madison Mogan,
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Speaker 1: Xana Kernodle, and Ethan Chapin, all of whom were stabbed
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Speaker 1: to death in a shared student house. While Coburger has
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Speaker 1: yet to enter a plea in court. His legal representative
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Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania said shortly after his arrest that he was
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Speaker 1: eager to be exonerated. Speaking to Delhi mail dot Com,
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Speaker 1: one intimate at the jail said Coburger follows his case
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Speaker 1: obsessively on a television set inside his cell. The inmates said,
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Speaker 1: he watches himself all the time. It's really kind of bizarre,
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Speaker 1: not really, when you think about it. These kinds of people.
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Speaker 1: If Brian Colberger is the man the government tells us
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Speaker 1: he is, they get off on this. They want to
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Speaker 1: be involved. They want to watch themselves on TV. They
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Speaker 1: want to go back to the crime scene, they want
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Speaker 1: to go to the candlelight vigil And that certainly has
29:28
Speaker 1: been something that we have seen from these kinds of
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Speaker 1: individuals in the past. And when we learned about Brian
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Speaker 1: Kohberger's online activities, well it just solidified for me anyway
29:39
Speaker 1: that he was following along with this case very very closely,
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Speaker 1: and then to find out that while he's in jail,
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Speaker 1: it's basically all that he watches. Yeah, I think that
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Speaker 1: Brian Colberger is certainly fitting into a profile here, and
29:54
Speaker 1: unfortunately for Brian Kohberger, that profile fits nice and snug
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Speaker 1: next to a.
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Speaker 2: Lot of killers that we've talked about.
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Speaker 1: According to News Nations Ashley Banfield, Coburger is able to
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Speaker 1: choose which channel he wants to watch, in contrast to
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Speaker 1: other prisoners who can only view what is selected by
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Speaker 1: their jailers on a share TV. Why do these people
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Speaker 1: like Brian Koberger get special treatment? Why does he have
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Speaker 1: all these other channels and the other prisoners only get
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Speaker 1: to watch one channel. This dude should have to watch
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Speaker 1: like Bob Ross all day. Oh pretty tree, look at
30:29
Speaker 1: the pretty tree. Instead, they're letting him fawn over himself
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Speaker 1: and engage in all kinds of weird ass self aggrandizing.
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Speaker 1: A source inside the jail said Coburger receives mass every
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Speaker 1: Sunday at seven pm, addressing a Daily mail dot Com reporter.
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Speaker 1: They said he sits down with the pastor and receives
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Speaker 1: his own private mass. It's just the two of them,
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Speaker 1: and no, I have no idea what they might talk about.
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Speaker 1: One prisoner who had seen Coburger being moved about outset
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Speaker 1: he always has the same expression or non expression. Seems
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Speaker 1: to be the case every picture we've seen of this dude.
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Speaker 1: He looks exactly the same to me. He has that
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Speaker 1: dead pan ass stare, you know, the thousand yards stare
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Speaker 1: that you get if you're like in a war zone
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Speaker 1: or something.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he certainly's rocking. That has that soulless.
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Speaker 1: Look to him, and he just looks like he is
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Speaker 1: disassociated from reality. He just looks straight ahead. I've never
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Speaker 1: even seen his eyebrows or mouth move. He never says anything.
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Speaker 1: Banfield said she was told Coburger had been very polite
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Speaker 1: and hasn't made any trouble for anyone since arriving at
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Speaker 1: the jail. And remember he's being held in solitary confinement,
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Speaker 1: so there is a limit on the access he has
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Speaker 1: to other inmates, or on the flip side of that,
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Speaker 1: that the other inmates have to him. So there's really
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Speaker 1: not an opportunity for him to wild out, if you will, unless,
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Speaker 1: of course, he wants to against the guards, and with
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Speaker 1: him facing trial here, I don't think this is the
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Speaker 1: right time to do that. If you want to act
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Speaker 1: like a jerk off in prison, then that's one thing.
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Speaker 1: But right now, while you're in the lock up waiting
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Speaker 1: to be convicted or waiting to go to trial, probably
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Speaker 1: a good idea to be on your best behavior, she added.
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Speaker 1: A source who has intimate knowledge of Brian Coberger in
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Speaker 1: jail has told us that upon setting eyes on Coburger
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Speaker 1: for the first time in person, it was a whole
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Speaker 1: other image. On television, the description was that he looked
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Speaker 1: like a toothpick, a skinny toothpick on TV. I didn't
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Speaker 1: see that guy. Looks like he's in decent shape to me,
32:39
Speaker 1: and from all of the reports we heard, we know
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Speaker 1: that he runs, he works out, and keeps himself in
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Speaker 1: pretty good physical shape. And you have to be in
32:48
Speaker 1: pretty good physical shape to commit the kind of crime
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Speaker 1: that they're saying that he committed, right to kill four
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Speaker 1: people with a knife. That is not an easy thing
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Speaker 1: to do. So if you're in good shape, or at
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Speaker 1: least not in decent shape, then you're going to tire
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Speaker 1: out real quick. And if Brian Coberger has been planning
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Speaker 1: all of this, you would have to think the fitness
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Speaker 1: portion of it was part of it. If you want
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Speaker 1: your plan to succeed, you have to be physically capable
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Speaker 1: of carrying it out. But the toothpick image on TV,
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Speaker 1: according to this source, in person, it looks like he
33:24
Speaker 1: is well over two hundred pounds and is quite imposing.
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Speaker 1: Coburger was a criminology graduate student and sometimes teaching assistant
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Speaker 1: at Washington State University when the murders took place.
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Speaker 2: It's interesting to.
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Speaker 1: Hear about what this dude's up to while he's locked
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Speaker 1: up and what his behavior is.
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Speaker 2: But this is exactly what I expected.
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Speaker 1: I didn't expect him to have any kind of issues
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Speaker 1: while in lockup. A he's not going to be around
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Speaker 1: other prisoners, and B he doesn't want to take the
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Speaker 1: chance of ruining himself come trial time. As far as
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Speaker 1: him being able to watch himself on TV, however, I
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Speaker 1: think that's a bit crazy. He should be under the
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Speaker 1: same restrictions as the rest of the inmates. Whatever they're watching,
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Speaker 1: he should be watching. I don't know why guys like
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Speaker 1: this get special privileges while they're locked up. Now, another
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Speaker 1: interesting bit of information that has been released over the
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Speaker 1: last couple of days is how much money it cost
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Speaker 1: to fly Brian Coburger from Pennsylvania to Idaho. And to
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Speaker 1: talk about that, we have an article from KTVB Channel
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Speaker 1: seven headline, how much did police spend to fly Brian
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Speaker 1: Coburger across the country? According to a public records request,
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Speaker 1: Pennsylvania State Police spent fourteen thousand, one hundred dollars. That's
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Speaker 1: quite a lot of money to fly somebody across the country.
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Speaker 1: Throw this dude on Southwest Airlines, put him in some handcuffs,
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Speaker 1: and be done with it. This article was authored by
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Speaker 1: Alexandra Dugan and Danny Alsop. Pennsylvania State Police spent fourteen thousand,
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Speaker 1: one hundred dollars per records request filed by KTVB to
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Speaker 1: fly Idaho murder suspect Brian Coberger back to Pullman, Washington
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Speaker 1: for his extradition process. The flight was a private police
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Speaker 1: plane which left Scranton, Pennsylvania, on January fourth, and then
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Speaker 1: arrived at the Pullman Moscow Regional Airport around seven thirty pm.
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Speaker 1: Coburger was then booked into the Lata County Jail in Moscow,
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Speaker 1: where he remains until his preliminary hearing on June twenty sixth. Coburger,
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Speaker 1: a former Washington State University graduate student in criminology, is
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Speaker 1: charged with first degree murder in the deaths of Kailee Gonsalves,
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Speaker 1: Madison Mogan, Xanikernodle, and Ethan Chapin, who were found stabbed
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Speaker 1: to death in an off campus home in Moscow, Idaho,
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Speaker 1: on November thirteenth of twenty twenty two. Court records say
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Speaker 1: police found DNA on a knife sheath at the scene
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Speaker 1: that match Coburger's DNA. He was later arrested at his
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Speaker 1: family home in Pennsylvania in December of twenty twenty two.
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Speaker 1: Pennsylvania State Police could not specify if they are sending
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Speaker 1: a bill to Idaho State Police for reimbursement, but ISP
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Speaker 1: spokesperson Aaron Snell said, to his knowledge, they have not
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Speaker 1: received anything to that effect. Snell said that the cost
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Speaker 1: of the flight usually includes paying the pilot, the officers
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Speaker 1: on the plane, and the fuel costs. I mean, I
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Speaker 1: guess it makes sense. You gotta pay people to do
36:35
Speaker 1: their job, right. But I'm thinking over here that the
36:38
Speaker 1: Marshalls have some kinds of plane like in the movie
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Speaker 1: Kan Air. Let's get that kan airplane up in the
36:43
Speaker 1: air and let's get the prisoners in that bad Boy.
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Speaker 1: But either way, I thought it was interesting to take
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Speaker 1: a look at how much money that cost to fly
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Speaker 1: Brian Colberger from Pennsylvania to Idaho. I also think it's
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Speaker 1: interesting that Pennsylvania didn't ask to be reinverse for that,
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Speaker 1: so pretty interesting stuff, and as these details continue to
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Speaker 1: become available, we'll certainly get them added to the catalog.
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Speaker 1: All right, folks, that's gonna do it for this one.
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