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Ep. 527: Finding the Funny in Stuff with Jeff Foxworthy · The MeatEater Podcast

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  Speaker 1: joined today by Jeff Foxworthy, who I've wanted to have
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  Speaker 1: you on for forever. We talked about it years ago,
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  Speaker 1: but you don't I had to come to you. Look.
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  Speaker 2: I have spent my entire life on the road. It's
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  Speaker 2: like it was kind of a race between you and Rogan. No,
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  Speaker 2: you won't even travel to go on Joe, Oh, I
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  Speaker 2: won't travel. Joe's like, come, I really want to talk
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  Speaker 2: to you, Come do the show. I want to talk
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  Speaker 2: about hunting, and I'm like, dude, I don't want to
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  Speaker 2: fly to Austin.
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  Speaker 1: All the way over to off. Well, but.
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  Speaker 2: I've spent four decades on airplanes and hotel rooms.
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  Speaker 1: I got you. Yeah, comedy, you can't finish farm No,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't. I want to finish my intro. Then I
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  Speaker 1: want to get into what you were talking about. I
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  Speaker 1: hope it's good. Well, here here's the problem. Problem is
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  Speaker 1: Krinn wrote the intro okay, but on the subject to Krinn,
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  Speaker 1: our producer Krinn, as everyone knows is Chinese and Jewish,
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  Speaker 1: and Jeff's already got half act. That's just such a
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  Speaker 1: weird combination. I'm not gonna tell anybody the jokes. I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to ruin him. He's got half act. What
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  Speaker 1: was the last one?
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  Speaker 2: The only place that you can go to somebody's house
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  Speaker 2: and eat Moushu matzabo.
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  Speaker 1: There you see, You see where it's going. Comedian actor, author,
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  Speaker 1: television hosts and writer. The reason I was criticizing Kren's introduction,
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  Speaker 1: she said last night, do you think we should have
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  Speaker 1: an introduction for Jeff? And yeah, I make one, but
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  Speaker 1: she only put she put perhaps your greatest work last,
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  Speaker 1: and you probably don't realize it was your greatest work,
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  Speaker 1: which is The Incomplete Deer Hunter. Oh my god. So
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  Speaker 1: i'd like to say. Jeff Foxworthy is the creative of
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  Speaker 1: The Incomplete Deer Hunter and a comedian, actor, author, television
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  Speaker 1: hosting writer. He's been nominated for a Grammy. Has a
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  Speaker 1: book of poems for kids New York Times bestseller. Is
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  Speaker 1: a member of the Blue Collar Comedy Tour with Larry
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  Speaker 1: the Cable Guy, who I had no idea his name
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  Speaker 1: Wasn't Larry, did you not?
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  Speaker 2: No, you need to get out more. You've spent way
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  Speaker 2: too much time in the woods.
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  Speaker 1: You were talking today about how he's played golf for
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  Speaker 1: thirty years and never got one struck better never, it's
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  Speaker 1: not even humanly possible. Comedy specialist on Netflix, the good
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  Speaker 1: old days. And then of course what she has at
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  Speaker 1: the end, The Incomplete Deer Hunter. And I want to
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  Speaker 1: add just another thing of your many funny jokes. One
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  Speaker 1: of my favorites is in one of your records. I
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  Speaker 1: can't remember which one. You're talking about the impulse too.
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  Speaker 1: I thought of this being in here, people's impulse to
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  Speaker 1: dress taxider me up. Yeah, well that's what you don't do.
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  Speaker 1: And and you were commenting that sometimes people put so
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  Speaker 1: much stuff on their deer mounths that it looks like
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  Speaker 1: they got killed at Marty Groun. Yeah, oh yeah.
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  Speaker 2: They have like beads around them and sunglasses and you know,
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  Speaker 2: Christmas time you put a little Santa hat on them.
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  Speaker 1: But they yell a lot of them.
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  Speaker 2: They stick a cigarette in their mouth and beads on them,
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  Speaker 2: and dude, I laughed a.
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  Speaker 1: Lot of shot them at Marty. Yeah. Uh man, let
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  Speaker 1: me do here. Here's the thing I don't know, Like,
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  Speaker 1: I got one thing I want to talk about, all right,
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  Speaker 1: because we do listener feedback, okay, which I'm cutting it
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  Speaker 1: all all right, So I want to get to your
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  Speaker 1: story that you're just talking about about how musicians got
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  Speaker 1: it made and comedians don't. Yeah, but I want to
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  Speaker 1: tell you one thing because you might have made this mistake.
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  Speaker 1: This is just one I hate to exclude the audience.
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  Speaker 1: I want to do one listener feedback, and we like
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  Speaker 1: to focus on criticisms. Okay, excuse my pedantry. This is
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  Speaker 1: from a guy named Alex. What's a pedantry? Uh like teachy? Okay, preachy? Right, pedantry.
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  Speaker 1: Anytime someone starts out a letter with excuse my pedantry,
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  Speaker 1: you know you're in trouble. Excuse my pedantry. But I
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  Speaker 1: have noticed Steve committing a pet peeve of mine that
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  Speaker 1: seems common to most writer types, and it pains me
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  Speaker 1: not to point it out. He has on multiple occasions,
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  Speaker 1: most recently, in episode five fourteen, used the phrase reached
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  Speaker 1: a crescendo to describe an apex or climax. You follow the.
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  Speaker 2: Look, I'm so glad the criticism is against you. I
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  Speaker 2: just breathed a sigh of relief. So go so be
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  Speaker 2: like around midnight. Yeah, it reached a crescendo of noise.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, what should it be? Well, However, a crescendo is
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  Speaker 1: a rising action. It means to increase volume. Crescendo from
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  Speaker 1: piano quiet to forte loud. It's a musical term. Sure,
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  Speaker 1: in this example, the forte volume would be the peak
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  Speaker 1: of intensity. It's not the crescendo. He's right, Yeah, the
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  Speaker 1: inverse of crescendo would be to d crescendo. My realm
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  Speaker 1: of expertise is only musical, but my understanding is that
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  Speaker 1: the same holds true of the word and non musically
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  Speaker 1: related Italian as well. Italian. I appreciate that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, that's what I say about me aging is
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  Speaker 2: I have eclipsed the apex of my splendor God, which means.
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  Speaker 1: You know that you're on the now. I want to
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  Speaker 1: get I want to get back to think you were
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  Speaker 1: talking about a minute ago and saying that you were
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  Speaker 1: telling me before alterned the machine on. The musicians got
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  Speaker 1: it made because the musician can have four hits, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and then spend the rest of his life playing those
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  Speaker 1: four songs, and people are gonna come out.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you'd be ninety years old. They're gonna come to
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  Speaker 2: hear those four songs. They might like your other stuff,
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  Speaker 2: but they're there for songs.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: A comedian, it's the opposite is you know, back in
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  Speaker 2: the day, you did a record or you did a
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  Speaker 2: CD and you record a special and people go, oh,
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  Speaker 2: that was funny. What have you got that's new? Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: so is a comic. It would be like a musician
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  Speaker 2: going I'm never playing the hits again. I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: go write a new album, and once I release that album,
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  Speaker 2: I'll never play that again. And that's what a comic does,
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  Speaker 2: which is one of the most agonized. After forty one
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  Speaker 2: years of doing stand up. It's like I did that
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  Speaker 2: last special and I'm like, okay, yeah, starting over from camprest.
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  Speaker 2: Now I'm back to the club with thirty people in
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  Speaker 2: and no cards in my hand, going is this funny?
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  Speaker 1: Is this funny? Is this funny? And that's how a
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  Speaker 1: comic works. The writer David Remnick once observed he was
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  Speaker 1: profiling Bruce Springsteen, but he observed that he was talking
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  Speaker 1: about the Rolling Stones. How a band can eventually become
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  Speaker 1: its own cover band. Yeah, you know, but you're right.
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  Speaker 1: Your comic can't do that now Springsteen. He can't be
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  Speaker 1: like I just want to wait till he does the
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  Speaker 1: one bit and then we'll go home. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: No, they don't want to get they've heard that now.
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  Speaker 2: But I got to meet Bruce one time, and my
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  Speaker 2: question for him was, I said, how is a twenty
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  Speaker 2: year old could you write lyrics like young girls sitting
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  Speaker 2: on the hood of a dodge drinking warm beer in
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  Speaker 2: the soft summer rain. I said, nobody twenty should be
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  Speaker 2: able to write that, and he goes, you know, I just.
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  Speaker 1: Wanted to be writing stuff. I wasn't going to be
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  Speaker 1: embarrassed singing thirty years later. I'm like mission a conference.
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  Speaker 1: That's a good that's a good approach.
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  Speaker 3: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: Tell everywhere we're at right now, we're at my farm
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  Speaker 2: about an hour south of Atlanta. Uh, this is my
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  Speaker 2: if I'm not working, this is my sanctuary, this is
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  Speaker 2: this is my happy place. I always say when I
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  Speaker 2: go through the gate, I'm no longer Jeff Foxworthy. I'm
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  Speaker 2: just Jeff cheapest labor on the farm. I will work
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  Speaker 2: all day long with a bag of jerky in three
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  Speaker 2: waters and get on a tractor and happy as a clown.
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  Speaker 1: You were telling me earlier how people are surprised. Some
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  Speaker 1: people were surprised that that you wanted land and not
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  Speaker 1: like Jerry Seinfeld wanted cars. Well, you observe the attractor
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  Speaker 1: costs more than a lot of his cars. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, like when when I did my sitcom, it was
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  Speaker 2: we film right next to Seinfeld, and so Jerry and
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  Speaker 2: I had parking places next to each other. He had
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  Speaker 2: like an aircraft hanger full of Porsches, so every day
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  Speaker 2: he'd come in with a different Porsche. I had a
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  Speaker 2: pickup truck. I literally went to Beverly Hills Dodge and
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  Speaker 2: I said, I want one of the new Ram trucks.
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  Speaker 2: And the guy goes to drive. He goes to, we
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  Speaker 2: don't sell those here. I had to go out somewhere
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  Speaker 2: from so I would pull into it with my pickup
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  Speaker 2: truck in the spot, and Jerry would wheel in with
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  Speaker 2: his porch and get out and go, good morning, loser,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the dude in the pickup truck. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I didn't. I mean, that wasn't my thing. I didn't
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  Speaker 2: care about car. I want a car, guy. I wanted
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  Speaker 2: a farm. I wanted to land, and so that's where
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  Speaker 2: my car money. But I did tell Jerry, I said,
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  Speaker 2: you really need to come film an episode of comedians
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  Speaker 2: drinking coffee and tractors, because some of my tractors cost
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  Speaker 2: more than your porsches.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, have you comedians getting beer and tracks? Right?
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  Speaker 2: I think he would love a tractor or a bulldozer
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  Speaker 2: and just fill the joy of pushing a tree over
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  Speaker 2: or something.
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  Speaker 1: You know, how did uh you have a property because
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  Speaker 1: you like the hunt? Yeah, it's beautifully managed. You managed
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  Speaker 1: as a wildlife. It's like you manage for wildlife, deer
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  Speaker 1: in particular, but you managed for wildlife when you were
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  Speaker 1: growing up. What was your what was your understanding of
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  Speaker 1: deer hunting spots? Like what kind of ground did you
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  Speaker 1: guys hunt as a kid.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's funny like growing up in Georgia, we didn't
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  Speaker 2: have deer when I was a kid. We but you
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  Speaker 2: squirrel hunted, You quail hunted, your rabbit hunted, and it
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  Speaker 2: was usually on some relatives farm. Everybody had small farms
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  Speaker 2: back then, so and my dad didn't have a bird dog,
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  Speaker 2: so he would buy me briar bridges and then go, hey,
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  Speaker 2: get down there and walk through there, and I was
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  Speaker 2: the dog.
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  Speaker 1: I flushed. What'd your dad do for a living?
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  Speaker 2: My dad grew up on a farm, but he worked
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  Speaker 2: at IBM. He did, yeah, he had he was a
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  Speaker 2: smart dude. But we'd go back to these little farms
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  Speaker 2: and that's how I learned to hunt. Was like I
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  Speaker 2: remember being four or five years old and going squirrel
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  Speaker 2: hunt and learn it. And you got to sit still,
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  Speaker 2: you can't talk, you can't move, and then it was
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  Speaker 2: quail hunting. Then it was dove hunting, and then it
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  Speaker 2: became deer hunting. I hunted by the time I was
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  Speaker 2: a teenager in Georgia. I hunted two years before I
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  Speaker 2: saw a deer. Now that was Jeddicart deer two years
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  Speaker 2: before he saw a deer. Yeah, getting up every weekend,
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  Speaker 2: going through the motions, getting up Saturday morning, Saturday evening,
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  Speaker 2: Sunday morning, never saw a deer. And it took me,
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  Speaker 2: I think, three years, and I finally shot a little
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  Speaker 2: five point buck, which I thought.
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  Speaker 1: That's the one he showed me. Well, no, that was
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  Speaker 1: the second one.
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  Speaker 2: That was the eight point buck, which had a basket
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  Speaker 2: wrack like this that I literally I think I didn't
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  Speaker 2: clean it for three days. I kept driving it through
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  Speaker 2: town because I was pretty sure it was the state record,
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  Speaker 2: and I wanted everybody to say I saw it. I
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  Speaker 2: saw it on the tail gate of his truck.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 2: But you only know what you know. I knew nothing
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  Speaker 2: about deer hunting. I would I would go like behind
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  Speaker 2: grocery stores and get palettes, and go to construction sites
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  Speaker 2: and get two by fours and I would make my
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  Speaker 2: own stands. I'd get like railroad spikes and go up
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  Speaker 2: a tree with two by fours and put a palette
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  Speaker 2: up there, and never thought about the wind, never thought
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  Speaker 2: about is there a food source or a bedding probably,
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  Speaker 2: never thought about the safety was no safety, harness, no,
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  Speaker 2: but never thought about any of that stuff, and climb
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  Speaker 2: up and you know, after three years one of the
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  Speaker 2: steps would rote and you'd drop. I mean, it's a
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  Speaker 2: wonder we're still here. But I knew I loved it.
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  Speaker 2: I knew I loved being out in the woods by myself,
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  Speaker 2: which is kind of crazy because like on my dad's farm,
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  Speaker 2: me and two friends would leave in the morning with
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  Speaker 2: a twenty two and a twelve game shotgun and take
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  Speaker 2: off through the woods. We had no cel phone, nobody knew.
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  Speaker 1: Where we were. We didn't know where we were were.
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  Speaker 2: You know, we just go explore the woods and ended
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  Speaker 2: up on a road and walked back home. And it
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  Speaker 2: was just a totally different time.
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  Speaker 1: I've told you a couple of times today that I
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  Speaker 1: had no idea that here in Georgia, you guys, deer
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  Speaker 1: numbers were so bad that they actually brought in deer
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  Speaker 1: they had to restop. Yeah, I mean there's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of areas where it got bad. But I just was
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  Speaker 1: not aware that they had to do like that, they
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  Speaker 1: had to do a white tailed deer reintroduction in Georgia.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and did it during the fifties. It's like
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  Speaker 2: I told you as a kid, Yeah, never saw a deer.
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  Speaker 2: And we're lucky here at the farm because most of
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  Speaker 2: the deer they brought into Georgia they brought from Texas.
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  Speaker 2: In our particular area, they came down from Wisconsin, so
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  Speaker 2: our deer were kind of bigger horned and bigger bodied,
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  Speaker 2: and it's just a real good portion of the state.
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  Speaker 1: To hont end. When you were little, what kind of
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  Speaker 1: you've done a lot of comedy about hunting and sort
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  Speaker 1: of like parodies on hunting. When you were little, you
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  Speaker 1: were you aware of any kind of like hunting videos
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  Speaker 1: and stuff like were you going out and buying VHS
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  Speaker 1: tapes the instructional hunting content?
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  Speaker 2: Dude, I had no idea. So when I was a kid,
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  Speaker 2: I would save my allowance and I would buy comedy
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  Speaker 2: records Bill Cosby, Flip Wilson, Jerry Klower, you know, and
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  Speaker 2: I'd memorize them and I'd go to school and I
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  Speaker 2: could do the whole album, and so, you know, I
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  Speaker 2: was the funny kid. But I never, you know, hunting
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  Speaker 2: was hunting. And I remember the first time I was
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  Speaker 2: probably thirty, that I saw a real tree hunting video,
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  Speaker 2: a deer hunting video, and I'm like, oh my gosh,
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  Speaker 2: people other people can experience deer hunting. Of course, it
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  Speaker 2: was way bigger deer than I ever had seen, you know,
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  Speaker 2: But but it kind of led to in you mentioned
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  Speaker 2: this in the intro part of hunting. There's that solitary
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  Speaker 2: part that's really good, but there's also that communal part
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  Speaker 2: that you get in a deer camp, not when you're
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  Speaker 2: out actually hunting, but in the camp where it's a
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  Speaker 2: very social thing and there's a lot of laughter going on.
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  Speaker 2: And so I thought, well, if guys are watching videos
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  Speaker 2: of hunts, why wouldn't they watch funny videos too, And
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  Speaker 2: so I came up with the Incomplete Deer Hunter. Somebody
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  Speaker 2: asked me a while back, they said, who did you
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  Speaker 2: write those? I went, right, yeah, No, we were in
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  Speaker 2: the woods with deer suits. We had made going what
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  Speaker 2: if we do this, this and this? But I thought
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  Speaker 2: and it was it was a crazy idea. We sold
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  Speaker 2: millions of those.
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  Speaker 1: But it's like, maybe you didn't write them, but there's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of you know, this is the thing I
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  Speaker 1: want to ask about. Anyways, this is the there's like
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  Speaker 1: laughing at your culture from the inside and laughing from
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  Speaker 1: the outside. And this is something you know intimately. Well, like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: your whole expertise is laughing from the inside.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'll give you a great example. Like, so you
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  Speaker 2: grew up in Michigan, right, And so I was the
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  Speaker 2: kid when I started comedy. I wore jeans, I wore boots,
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  Speaker 2: I drove a truck, and I was I was just
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: the outdoor kid. But I'm the comedian now in the
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: clubs and I'm up in Michigan and it was like
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: November and I'm like, man, I ought to be sitting
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: in a tree in the morning. You know, it's the
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: middle of the road. I need to be in a tree.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: And they were kidding me. I was playing right outside Detroit,
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: little town called Lavonia.
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: And.
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: We were sitting around and they were going fox for
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: of you nothing but an old redneck from Georgia. Well,
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: the club that we were playing in was attached to
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: a bowling alley that had parking. And I said, if
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: you don't think you have read Nicks in Michigan. Go
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: look out the window. People are valet parking at the
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: Bowling Alley. And I went back to the hotel that night,
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: and I didn't think it was going to be a hook.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: I didn't think it was going to be a book
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: or t shirts. I just thought, maybe this is funny material.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: And I wrote ten ways how to tell how you
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: might be a Redneck? And I went back the next
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: night and just try to stand up. And not only
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: were people laughing, they were pointing at each other. Well,
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: every one of them was things my family had done.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: You know, if your front porch collapses and kills more
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: than three dogs, that was my uncle Bob's house. When
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: you pulled up in the driveway, the whole bottom of
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: the house just erupted with dogs. If you have a
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: complete set of salad bowls and they all say cool
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: whip off the side, that's my sister. It's nothing but buttertubs,
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: cool whip dubs, and jelly glasses. So I wasn't laughing
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: at somebody, I'm laughing with, you know, And that's kind
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: of always spend my comedy. My My template is is
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: I feel like if if I think something or my
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: wife says something, or my family does something. I'm gonna
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: trust other people are thinking you're saying and doing the
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: same thing.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: That that that that the one it works is because
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: there's an expertise of the subject matter, you know. And
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: I'm like laugh about your incomplete deer hunter thing is
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: when you guys have the deer suits on and the
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: deer kind of like coaching all the other deer about
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: coach fucking coaching. Yeah, like this year's game plan, and
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: there's like very sort of like specific references the coach
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: is telling the other deer. He's like when all you
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: does and little bucks come out in the field, don't
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: look back when I come out in the field.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just tell them I'm coming.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but that was all experienced. Oh yeah, that's what
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: I'm saying. It's like you're like you're watching it, like, no,
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: these dudes actually hunt, because no one would ever, like ever,
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: if I the outsider was goofing on redneggs, a goofing
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: on deer hunters, they would never know that little bit
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: of body language. Yeah, where a hunter's like there's something
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: in the wood still because those deer keep looking back
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: in there.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: And that's what I tell young comics, I said, talk
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: about what you know about uh huh uh. It's like
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: when I wrote ten redneck jokes, I thought, well, if
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: I write ten, kind of write fifty. And then we
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: wrote fifty, I might kind of write a hundred. And
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: I got like three hundred of them. I sent them
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: to fourteen different publishers and got rejected, Well you did, yeah,
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: rejected by the first fourteen. And I sent it to
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: the fifteen and he called me and he said, come in,
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: let's talk. And he said, he said, I think this
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: is funny. He said, how does fifteen hundred dollars set Steve?
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: I thought he was asking me for fifteen hundred bucks,
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: and so I'm like, uh, because I didn't have fifteen
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: hundred bucks. And he goes, no, no, no, we'll pay you.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: I'm like, hell, yeah, let's do it, you know. And
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: I remember asking him, I said, how many of these
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: you think we'll sell? How many books? And he said, oh,
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: I bet we sell five thousand of them. I think
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: we sold four million of them. You know, because who
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: was the publisher Longstreet Press, but small publisher in Atlanta.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: But but from doing comedy, I'd been to all fifty states.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: I didn't hang in LA in New York. I was
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: going everywhere in between, and I knew LA and New
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: York were the media centers, but I also came to
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: know the people living in the country, and from what
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: I observed, I'm like, you know, thirty minutes outside of
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: any major city, we're all the same, and we may
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: have a little different accent, but we're all hunting, and
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: we're all fishing, and we're all growing gardens, and we're
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: all you know, got that My definition of redneck is
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: glorious absence of sophistication.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: You know, That's all it is.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: And I knew there was a market there, which is
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: why we did the Blue Collar Comedy Tour. When they
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: did the Kings of Comedy, Atlanta was one of the
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: first stops, and in the paper, in an article about it,
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: it said that it was a show for the urban
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: hip audience. And I thought, I've been to every stake.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of people that aren't irving, and they're
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: not hip. And I called building Ball and I said,
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: we need to do a show for everybody that this
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: doesn't apply to. And he laughed and said, what would
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: you call it? And I'm like, hell, I don't know,
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: call it the blue collar, blue Collar Comedy Tour, and
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: we were going to do it for three weeks, and
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: we did it the first one for three years.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: I mean, it was just it just hit an irve.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: Have you always planned? Have you always when you're touring
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: and doing all those shows and all that, were you
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: always trying to schedule around being able to hunt and
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: fish and stuff? Well? Did you sometimes just have to
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: eat it and be like, I'm not going to do
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: anything outdoors because I'm going to like, while the fire's
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: burning hot, I'm just going to go do my business.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: Well, back in the club day, because most clubs were
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: like Tuesday through Sunday, I had eight years in a row.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: I did five hundred shows a year at least. And
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: you're going, whether there's only three hundred and sixty five nuts,
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: but you're doing two shows on Friday night, three shows
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: on Saturday night. If you were in a you might
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: be bouncing from club to club, and I would just
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: keep note because I wanted I wanted to be on
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: Johnny Carson, and I thought, the only way I'm going
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: to do this is kind of the Malcolm Gladwell theory.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: I've got to do it ten thousand times to become
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: an expert at it. And my goal was everybody said,
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: it takes you ten years to be a good enough
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: comedian to be on Carson, and I thought, I'll do
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: it in half. I'm going to work so hard night. Yeah,
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: and it actually took me five years and two months,
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: but I did it, And so then I didn't I
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: didn't do anything but do comedy. But then once I
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: started moving from cl to like theaters and things like that.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: When you say a club, that's one hundred people, two
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: hundred people, hundred people, two hundred people, and when you
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: say a theater, it's one thousand and three thousand, Yeah.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: Up to four or five thousand. But the great thing
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: about theaters and that kind of happened because of the albums.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: People became aware of you, and then they would they
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: would come. Well, theaters were more Friday and Saturday, which
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: was great because it was about the time I had kids,
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: so I could be home during the week and I
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: was just going on the weekend doing shows. Then I
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: could start to get back into hunting and fishing. Fact,
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: when I did are You Smarter than the fifth Grader?
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: I had it in my contract that I could film
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: eleven months of the year, but I couldn't film the
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: month of November. And I had an LA attorney come
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: up to me and say why, I don't understand. Why
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: can't you film in November? And I said because it's
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: the rut? And he was like, the what the what?
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: I'm like, dude, it's the rut.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: I'm not hunting.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not filming during the rut. I'm going
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: to be home. And so I may be the only
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: idiot in LA that had that in there?
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Has that in there? Do you ever try to go hit?
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: Do you ever try to go somewhere and to be
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: trying to get out in the morning with people you
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: know and hit little things like hit the morning Turkey
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: Hunt and then make it too ye show.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: It was just always hard because you couldn't travel with
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: guns and you know, and like back in the day,
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: you do a show on Friday night, Well you walk
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: off stage, say you were in Michigan. Where you're the
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: next night you may be in Kansas City. So you're
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: up at five am to catch the first flight to
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: fly to Kansas City, which you get there at ten
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: or eleven.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: Well, your day's kind of shot. So it was just hard.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: I know that feeling. You know how you would do
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: five hundred shows a year, yeah, do you maybe six
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: to eight? Yeah, And so I have a level of
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: expertise here, bute, And I know that even then, you
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: always like, as you're planning it, you're thinking about, man,
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna hunt turkeys and every one of the locations.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you just never have the time to do it.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: And yours were different. Like when I watch your shows,
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: Like for me, I told my wife, I said, you
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: love to travel because when you get somewhere, you open
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: your suitcase and you open it for a week. I said,
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: I'm opening my suitcase every day and packing it back
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: up because you're in a different city every night. And
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: but like with your shows, when you're going to these
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: remote places, Hell, you're going to sheep Hunch, You're going
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: two weeks.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: Oh that kind of show. Yeah, I was referring to
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: doing like doing live shows, which are a very small
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: handful of Oh no, it's uh, your trips were long,
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: drong trips. Yeah, you really get like a doing that
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: kind of doing that kind of lifestyle, especially when were
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: making a lot of shows. Man, you get like a
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: really deep immersion into a lot of different spots, which
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: is just completely like not at all similar to what
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: you're talking about with like the turn and burn and
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: cans of Yeah, did you did you start to formulate
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: an idea of at what point in your life did
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: you start thinking that at some point I'm going to
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: slow down and enjoy myself more and what will that
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: look like? Like? When did you indulge yourself with that,
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: you know, with that vision? Because I look now, I
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: feel like you got I think when I'm here like
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: mens Guy's got it meet, I know.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: But I'm like last weekend in the woods, and last
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: weekend I was in Michigan on Friday night, Minnesota on
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: Saturday night. So I still I still enjoy what I do,
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: but I've slowed down. I mean I probably do forty
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: or fifty concerts a year now as opposed to hundreds
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: because I want to enjoy my grandkids. Yeah, you know,
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: yesterday I'm riding around on tractors and skit steers with
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: my two and a half year old grandson. That's that's
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: my joy in life. That's why I always said I
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: didn't want to live to work and wanted to work
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: to live Unfortunately, I was born with a work with
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: a work ethic.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: You know. I uh, I don't want to sit around.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: My mom's like, you need to slow down. I said,
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: I just wasn't born with that brain. I can't just
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: sit on the couch. I want to go do something.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: I want to go see something, learn something.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: Did your uh did your folks think you were crazy
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: for what you wanted to do? Yeah, well they did.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: They try to discourage you, like, he'll never do that.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: You know, well, I blew up.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: My folks divorced early, so my dad had a really
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: good job working at IBM. But my granddad was a fireman.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: When you say early, how old are you like eight
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: or nine? H oh, well did you understand what was
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: going on? Well? Back I was the only kid I
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: knew that had divorced parents. It was.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: You know that it sucked because you know, I wanted
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: my dad there. But I love my grandparents and my granddad,
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: bless his heart, was a fireman. So he worked one
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: day and had too often he was fishing the two
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: he was off and he would take me got you know,
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: great granddad, which was one of my goals in life.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I want to be a really good granddad.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: But everybody I knew they were blue collar, they worked
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: for a living. So even though I was attracted to comedy,
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: it never occurred to me that that was a possibility. Yeah,
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: you probably hadn't met a comic. No, they were just
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: on TV. But I was the funny guy. I actually
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: I worked in a grocery store, and I worked at
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: a hotel, and then I got a job I think
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: my dad, because I flunked out of college after three years.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: I think my dad thought I was going to end
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: up being a near do well, so I think he
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: got one of his friends to call and give me
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: a job at IBM entry level. I was working dispatch,
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: and then later on I was I carried a toolbag
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: and fixed machines. But I was the funny guy work.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: I was the guy that was in the break room
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: doing impersonations of the boss, and then you would turn around,
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: the boss would be in the doorway.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: I was that guy.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: So I wasn't on the crescendo to be to the top.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: And a bunch of guys I worked with entered me
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: in a comedy competition, not an amateur night, a competition
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: for working comedians called the Great Southeastern laugh Off. They
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: entered me in and I'm like, oh crap, I got
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: to write material. So I wrote five minutes about my family.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: I went down. I won the contest. The first time
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: was the material. It was why I lived in Sarasota, Florida,
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: and I talked about it being it was God's waiting
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: room because everybody there was like ninety years old. Then
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: I did a bit about dads when everybody else cuts
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: their toenails. They put him in the trash dad's sleeve.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: Theres in the ashtray in the den for the whole
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: family to come observe and admire. And the crazy thing
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: is my wife used to act, and she had just
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: done a TV show with a comedian and she was
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: there that night rooting for him in the competition. So
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: I met my career and I met my wife five
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: minutes apart.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: He stole his fan. Yeah, were they romantically involved now? Now?
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: In fact, he's He and his wife are two of
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: our best friends to this day. But what's the odds
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: of finding your career and your wife five minutes apart,
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: same night? I guess low, Yeah, low, And but I knew, Oh,
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: I take that back.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: A little bit because when I sold my first book,
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: I went I had never been to New York. Sold
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: my first book, went to have a meeting. I sold
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: to Miermax prior to those fellas Bob and Harvey Einstein,
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: I have sold their company. Flew to New York to
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: meet the people that bought my book, and in that
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: meeting met my wife. Did you not from New York?
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: Did you know when you met her? Did you? Did you?
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: Because I know so. I met my wife on a
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: Tuesday night. We went out on a Saturday, and an
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: hour into the date, I went, oh, crap, I'm gonna
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: marry this girl.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: Oh really? An hour into the first.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: Date and she was the only one that was saying
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: to me, you could do this. She said to me,
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: she said, you are so creative. If you sit in
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: a cubicle the rest of your life, you're going to
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: have a miserable life. You're going to explode. You need
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: to do something creative. Is your wife rednick?
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: No, she's from New Orleans. Does that make you out
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: a redneck? I understand.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: No, They've got a lot of them down there, But like,
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: instead of.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: Because in my mind, I think I don't think of
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: that as incompatiby.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: No, they're very compatible because she has family in other
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: parts of the Louisiana that will eat things the FBI
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: can't identify. I mean, it's just but I think she
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: really thought she was going to pull me up to
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: her level and instead I.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: Just drown drug her down to the middle.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: But but she it was like the first person that
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: got me, you know what I mean, She's just like
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: And so I thought how I could do this? And
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: so I quit my job and I tell my kids,
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: I'm like that. At that point, well I went. I
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: did Amateur Night for like six months and little gigs
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: around town, but I knew by then I loved it.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: And what was the first money you were making at it?
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, not like, I mean, what was the first
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: like helpful, usable amount of money.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: So December the fourth, nineteen eighty four, they had Amateur
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: Knight before the regular show. Steven Wright, it's the headliner,
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: and he found me in the club. He had watched
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: Hammate Night and he came up and he told me,
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: he said, you need to be doing this. You should
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: be a comic, and which kind of reinforced what my
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: wife said. And so I went in the next day,
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: and I told my boss, I'm like, I'm quitting IBM.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: And my mother when I told my mother I had quit.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: That's our first question was asked about your parents' perception.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I got there eventually. My mom's first question was,
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: are you on the dope. I'm not sure what thud
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: dope was. Are you on the dope? We can get
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: you help? And I'm like no, I said, but I
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: think I can do this, and I don't want to
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: be sitting around when I'm sixty going what if I'd
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: try that? And I tell my kids, I said, you
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: need some hold your nose and jump moments in your life.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: And so my first real gig was New Year's Eve
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: of eighty four with Sindbad and so I think I
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: was making it out. That was what year eighty four,
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: So I think I was making like thirty two grand
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: a year at IBM, and I had health and dental insurance.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: My first year of comedy eighty five, first full year,
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: I did four hundred and six shows and I made
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: eight three hundred dollars for the year, which is like
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: twenty bucks a show.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: So at that point, man, you've given Like at that point,
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: at that volume, you've really given up a lot of
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: normal life.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: Oh god, yeah, yeah, you're not doing anything. When I
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: would go out to do the week at the comedy club,
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: my wife would give me thirty bucks to live on
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: for the week, and that was gas money and food money,
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: and you were hoping the club gave you a free meal.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: If a club served food.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: A lot of times the comics could eat. We used
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: to roll pennies and when we had enough, we'd go.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: To the movies. That was our dates.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: Really you lived like that, Oh yeah, dude, with no money,
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: so broke. I left Atlanta. One time I had a
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: gig at a comedy club that was in a holiday
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: inn in Sarasota, Florida. I drove down there, and when
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: I got there, the guy said.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: Well did you say that? Where was the gig?
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: Sarasota, Florida, But in a holiday in. They're a little
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: nightclub there, and but the deal was they gave you
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: a hotel room for the week while you did this.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: And when I got there, the guy said, dude, he said,
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: last night was our last night. We're not making money.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: We closed And I'm like, so you're out of business?
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: Why just driven nine hours? I went in the lobby
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: bathroom and pee and bought a coke and got back
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: in the car. So I've driven nine hours and now
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: I'm turning around driving back home. But I haven't got paid.
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: I don't have a credit card, and I'm like, God,
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: I hope I got enough money to get home for gas.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: And I stopped making Georgia at about three in the morning,
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: and I'm digging for change underneath the car seat. You know, Oh,
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: we got forty cents. Let me put that in gas
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: in the car. And I got to South Atlanta, where
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: I grew up. In the red lights on I'm like,
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to make it home. So I pull
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: off the interstate into a gas station and I'm trying
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: to figure out I don't even have a quarter to
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: call my wife. And a guy I went to high
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: school with pulled up to get gas and I went
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: over to him and I said, dude, I'm so embarrassed,
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: but I left home this morning without my wallet. I
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: didn't want to tell him I was that broke. I said,
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: can I borrow five bucks? He's like, yeah, oh, hell yeah.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: So I got home. Years later, he came to my
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: concert and he goes I remember loading you and I said, dude,
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: I was so broke.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: I had no money to get home. I said, let
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: me pay you back.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: And he's like, nope, I want you to owe it
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: to me because it's a much better story.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and some of it still hasn't. It still hasn't
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: paid me back. That's that's that's incredible though, that you
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: went through all that. I mean, it's great that but
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: looking back, yeah, it's it was good. It made oh
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: I think it made me important man better. I had
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: a hunger to get better at it, you know. You
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: know people say that comics have like a there's like
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: a lot of the more chase and a it's got
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: to be fueled somewhere, right. Yeah. I always there's like
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: a there's like some sort of demon that needs to
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: be slay, you know, or else you're not funny, you
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like like if everything's just gravy
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: all the time, you don't get a chance to be funny. Yeah.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: I always heard there they're laughing on the outside, crying
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: on the ends. Sure, but I think it's like human beings,
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: we're we're all different. I think I was probably affected
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: by my dad leaving because I could make my dad
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: laugh when I saw him. Well, that was approval God.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: So it probably made me work at being funnier. But
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: I was wired this way. I came from a funny family.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: I was wired creative. Part of the reason that I
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: flunked out of college was I was going to Georgia Tech,
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: which was an engineering school, and that wasn't my strength.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: I remember taking an English class there and writing a
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: story about deer hunting, and the English teacher goes, have
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: you ever thought about being a writer. Maybe you're not
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: an engineer, Maybe you should be a writer. I remember
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: being in high school and I had no money to
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: buy my girlfriend a birthday present. I saw there was
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: a speech contest at the Elks Lodge that paid fifty bucks.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: I wrote a.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: Speech, went down there and won. You know, I had
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: taken my girlfriend the red lobster. Maybe here we go.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: So what happened with flunking out of college.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: I was at the wrong place. It wasn't my gift,
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: you know, And I didn't know what my gift was.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: But from where I stand now, like God made me
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: this way, I see the funny in things. It doesn't
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: mean that I don't get mad or I don't get sad,
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: but I always look for the funny in it, and
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: I do believe it's a gift. And I think I'm
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: a writer. In any great comic is a writer. You
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: just have to have that brain and you're a writer.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: We don't do it necessarily because it's fun. It ain't fun.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: No, I don't enjoy it. I don't enjoy the act.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: If you have a hard time with that, doing it
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: is not like doing It's not fun. There's a writer,
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: Ian Frasier, and he said, when he was little, he
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: pictured being a writer. He pictured writers sitting there and
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: they're typing and they're kind of chuckling to themselves, you know.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: And then only later do you realize that it's just
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: like it's just doing it is not enjoyable.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: It's not enjoy the menu. You stand up the men,
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: you stand up finished product. When you look back and
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: you go, yeah, man, now all right. Let me ask
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: you a question, because I actually asked Bruce Springsteen this,
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: Like I have a pad next to my bed. I've
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: had it for thirty years with a pen on it,
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: and I can write in the dark. But so because
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: you always think you're going to remember it, and you
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: never do so I've learned, like, rite something about as
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: your body's relaxing to go to sleep, ideas start coming.
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: And I've learned to just write a sentence where I
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: can remember it in the morning. But I also have
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: a pad next on my bathroom counter. I bet sixty
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: percent of the things I think of are in the shower.
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: Oh and so I get out of the shower, and
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: I actually asked, springstand and so where do you write
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: the most?
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: Oh? No, I write a lot of stuff in the shower. Man.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: Oh really?
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so there must be when I'm driving in
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: the shower and right before I'm going to bed.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: Is usually those times. There's a there's a band I
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: like a bit trampled by turtles. Now great name the singers.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: This guy Dave Simonett. He's really good lyrically. And the
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: other night he left his uh, he accidentally left his
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: little notebook at my house. It's sitting on my counter
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: right now, and I keep wanting looking that little notebook,
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: but I can't bring myself to looking there. I feel
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: like it could be like a betrayal kind of is.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: But I'm real curious about it. For a writer, I
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: have cracked it. I look at it, and I think, man,
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: whan I look in at that notebook? Yeah, but then
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: I feel like I'd be violating some kind of guest
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: host bond, you know, if I found it on the street, sure,
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: but he left it my house. See that's why we
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: don't crack it open. We just look at it.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: I was interested in doing this with you because you're
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: a weird combo in that you're very capable, but you're creative,
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: which are not usually like most really creatives I know
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: can't tie their sh u, can't fill up their gas tank,
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: and that's kind of normal.
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: I had a dad that pounded all that India.
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he didn't give a lick about the creative No,
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: mine didn't either, But it was like.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: He wrote something. It was on a it was on
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: graph paper, yeah, or on a two by four. You know.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: That's uh.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: But I think you and I are have that in common,
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: is we're capable, but we're creative as well. Rogan's like that,
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: So it's a weird mix, uh, which because I'm kind
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: of fascinated by the writer side of you. I saw
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: where Steve Martin won a writing award and he said,
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: this means more to me than anything goes.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: Writing's hard, yeah, And I'm like, dude, I get it.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: You know it's well yeah, because you guys get like
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: like comics, you get known for the performative part, but
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: prior to the performative parts, the writing part. Do you
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: know what a writer's minds? It's kind of the end
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: of it. You're a writer.
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: It's funny because I'm kind of a physical comic and
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: people will ask me, do you practice in front of
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: a mirror?
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: No? I never think about the performance. Do you ever
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: have to watch yourself? I hate to watch myself. You
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: don't know what you look like. I cringe.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: Like when I used to do Johnny Carson and you'd
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: film it like at four or five in the afternoon,
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: and you'd come home and it would come on. I'd
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: watch the whole show until I came home. Then I'd
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: get up and leave the room because I hate the
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: way I talk, I hate the way I look. I did,
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: and my wife would be in the other room, going,
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: it's really good, come watch it, and I'm like, no,
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: I can't.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: I can't. You hate the way you look? What do
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: you wish you look like? Now? I don't know? Something different?
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but uh, with comedy. It was always the writing,
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: and you know, and it's kind of like, I know,
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: when you do it well that the audience thinks, oh
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: he just walked out here and.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: Just thought of this.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but I know, I remember when I was
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: still doing amateur nights. Lena was always so nice to
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: young comics.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: Was he very patient.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: And we're sitting at the waffle house and he said,
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: your goal should be to write one new minute a week. Now,
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: think about that. Your goal should be to write one
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: new minute a week because you're special every year, And
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: well it does. And in my mind, I'm thinking, are
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: you out of your mind? I can write twenty or
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: thirty minutes a week.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: No, he was right.
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: If you can write one minute that a room full
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: of strangers are going to laugh at every time you
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: say it. Over the course of a year, you've got
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: a new you've got a new album, you've got a
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: new special, you know, whatever it is. And but that
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: wasn't easy. I mean, you had to be working to
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: get sixty new minutes a year, which was always so
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: sad because you do a special on crap. All that
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: work now got to start all.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: Over, walk me through and the flow of the flow
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: of an idea if you don't practice front of a mirror,
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: so you get like an observation that like your wife's
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: butts cold when she climbs in bed, Yeah, how her
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: bucket cold? Yeah. You drive around and your tract or whatever,
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: and you think about that and you think that's funny.
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: You never going in the gate like that. It just
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: lives in your head. Then you try it out like
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: you never do, like, hey, film me talking about this.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: It's like it starts with a with a thought, and
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: then I'm like, like if I thought of something when
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: maybe I think this is funny, like and you and
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: I were having a conversation, I'd figure out a way
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: to work it into the conversation and to see and
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: if you laughed, I went, Okay, that's a valid thought.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: And then so you try it out like you try
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: it out in your buddies on them knowing it. Yeah.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: And then so in the early days, I always envisioned
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: it like Clay. I would go out there and throw
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: an idea out, say it's five sentences and three of
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: them worked, So I'd keep the three that worked, get
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: rid of the two that didn't, and then the next
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: night I'd try two or three more, and so it
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: was like adding a little piece of clay every night,
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: and there, over a course of a month, you've got
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: a new ten minute bit. As I've gotten older, I
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: kind of did the opposite is I would start with
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: a big glob and just go out there and try it,
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: which I don't know why, but everything that didn't work,
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: I'd cut it off and cut it off and just
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: kept and so in the early days, my bits were
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: two and three minutes long. Now they tend to be
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: twenty and thirty minutes long, right, really long pieces.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: When you say a bit, you mean like you'll do that,
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: You'll spend that time on a subject. Yeah, like having
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: a kidney stone, you know. So, but you're not going
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: to get done with that in two minutes. No.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: Well, and here's my thought. If you go to all
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: the trouble to set it up, which is the part
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: you're not getting a laugh. Once you get it set up,
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: why not go you got a harvest, big deep and
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: get like Jim Gaffigan talking about bacon. You know, I'm
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: a comic, and I'm like, how long can you talk
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: about bacon for two or three minutes? At minute twenty
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: of gafficking. I've got my hands in my head going,
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: how can you talk about bacon for twenty minutes?
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: This is hilarious. Yeah, that's a good observation. You gotta
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: set you gotta set the story up. Yeah, but if
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: you've gotten to start spinning off and then it needs
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: to spin off jokes? Yeah, yeah? What uh? When you were?
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: Not when you were? Because as you meet comics, are
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: you guys always bound? Like do you feel that you're
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: bound to other comics through the comedy or do you
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: feel like the sort of political and social differences do?
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, like, do you run into you when you're
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: doing running another comics and like, is it like you're
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: sort of like the redneck guy from the south and
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: so you're ostracized or is it just the that comedy
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: brings your whole circle of professional colleagues together.
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think when you're starting out, it's so
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: competitive and everybody's trying to get a hand on the
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: ledge that you're really cut throat with each other. And
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: you know the thing about the redneck jokes? They were
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: one liners, and so we live in an age where
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: nobody does one liners. But they were easy to remember.
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: They were easy to retell you know what I mean,
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: And so I could do them on the radio, and
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: I could do ten of them, so there's ten laughs
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: and people could remember them, they could repeat them. But
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: it was a way for people to remember my name.
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: But at the height of it, it was three minutes
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: out of an hour and a half show.
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: And so for.
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: People that thought that was all I did, I'm like, no,
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: you haven't watched me. Mostly what I do is material
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: about my wife and my family and my kids. And
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: but it was a way for them to remember their name.
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: I find the longer you do it, you realize it's
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: a wonderful job.
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: But it's hard.
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: You you don't last unless you work hard at it.
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: It's like, you know, I love to look for arrowheads.
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: If I walk into guy's house and he's got a
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: display case full of unbroken arrowheads, I knew that took
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: a long time. That took a long long time to
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: find that many unbroken era heads. The same way with
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: a comic, and so you can can I have a
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: respect for each other.
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: I want to get return this. If I want to
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: tell you another metric. Okay, you consider how many mountain
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: lions have you seen? That's a metric for time spent
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: time spent messing around out How many of you seen
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: Not many? I spent a lot of time messing around
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: on outside. Yeah, I think I've had I've seen six
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: that weren't being chased by dogs. Well that's pretty cool.
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: Well I got a Boddy who spends a lot of
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: time outside. Last time I talked to him, he was
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: on like thirty five or something. Oh my gosh. I
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: didn't mean interrupt the chain of thought. I I'm know
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: what you're saying. Like, I had to get back to
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: a bow.
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: One time and I was trailing them and h Glenn,
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: my farm manager who you met, went back to get
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: us some water and all, and so I just sat
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: down and when he came back, he goes, dude, there's
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: mountain lion tracks in your footprints. Oh yeah, and my
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: dumb ass is sitting at the bottom of a tree
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: with my bow.
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: You know, it's a wonder. I wasn't lunch. Yeah, I
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: don't want to bring the chain of thought, but I
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: was just thinking about your awareness of that collection and
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: being like that is a lot a lot, it's a
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: lot of work. Like you're dedicated, you're good at it.
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you know, out of every thing I've done professionally,
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: the thing that I'm proud of, Stob is I've sold
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: more comedy records than anybody that's ever lived.
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: Is that right? Yep? Crin should put that in the
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: damn bio. I know, nice job, Corrin.
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: So go eat some more Moushoe Manza balls.
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: You had to write along?
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: You sold more comedy records and Cosby Carlon and Eddie
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: Murphy delirious. Yes, yeah, My first comedy records sold almost
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: four million copies. The second one did almost the same.
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: The physical salities, yeah physical, these are album But what
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: that tells me is, I'll tell you what it tells me.
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: Somebody most popular ass comedian, Well, it means you were working,
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: you were writing, Yeah, you know, And I mean I've
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: written like twenty seven books and invented games. I've been
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: very lucky to do a lot of things creatively. But
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: out of everything, that tells me you worked at it,
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: you worked, which is you know, It's part of me
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: with hunting. I want to do it. I want to
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: do things that aren't easy. Like when I was a kid,
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: I just wanted to shoot a deer that had antlers.
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: I just wanted to kill a deer, any antler, It
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: didn't matter. You know, that's enough, you know, yeah, yeah,
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: And there's cycles hunters go through. Then you want to
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: shoot a bigger one. You want to shoot a bigger one.
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: But you get to a point like because I was
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: doing a lot of hunting shows. I was doing hunting
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: shows for real tree and bucks of Takamani, and I
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: was getting to go places and hunt really cool things
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: and shoot really big deer. And I had a year
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: where I shot a thirteen point deer. He's out there
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: in the in manland, out there, huge deer. Shot him
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: with a gun and three hundred and fifty yards. And
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: then I came back to my farm, and my farm
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: enginer only bow hunted, and I was starting to play
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: around with it. That's your buddy here, Glenn. And the
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: next weekend I shot one hundred and thirty eight inch deer,
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: but he was poping young with a bow and arrow,
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: and I sat up there and I just shook, and
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: I could remember being fifteen years old, and the deer
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: I shot at three hundred and fifty yards had no
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: idea that I was there. I didn't really have to
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: be that stealth. I was a long way away, but
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: the one I shot at thirty yards that was close
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: and personal. And I remember I called my wife. I
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: never called my wife when she's cooking dinner back at home,
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: and I'm.
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: Like, oh my god, I just I shot a fuck
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: with my boat.
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: And I thought, this is what I want to feel like,
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: this is what I want hunting to feel like. And
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: so I'm like, I'm not doing a gun anymore. I'm
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: gonna hunt with a bow.
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: I was horrible at it.
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, it took me two or three year years
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: to even get I messed up. I kept drawing at
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: the wrong time, you know, so you sat there for
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: two hours waiting on a dough to come up, and
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: now you draw at the wrong time, spooker and she
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: runs off, and You're like, okay, I gotta wait till
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: her head's behind a tree. But there was something about
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: wanting to do it the hard way. And once I
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: had started being pretty good at shooting deer with it,
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I want to go hunt an elk.
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: I want to, but not with a gun. I want to.
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: And then it was a moose, and then it was
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: I want to.
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: Hunt it like I'd always kind of been fascinated with bears,
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: but I had zero interest in nothing wrong with somebody
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: doing this. I didn't want to shoot one over a
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: barrel of doughnuts. I wanted to go find a bear
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: and shoot them with my bow. Well it ended up
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: doing that because and I don't know if you ever
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: feel like this, but like I would watch videos of
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: people hunting moose with a bow and I kept going,
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: holy crap, that is so scary. I mean, like, roll
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: up in a ball, go oh my dude, they're so close,
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: They're so so big, so big. There's part of me
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: that goes, do you have enough balls to do this?
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: And I wanted to find out. I'm like, I wanted
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: to push myself to go, do you have enough courage
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: to go stand there with a stick and a string
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: fifteen yards from this two thousand pounds animal. And it's
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: funny like after doing it, because my wife's first question was,
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: were you scared because I shoot this big bullet fifteen yards?
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: And I said, in and of the moment, no, did.
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: You guys call that bullet? Yeah? So he was.
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: That's a timidating mane Oh yeah, I mean he's got
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: his eyes rolled back. Well, here was the worst part.
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: So we're going up. We're in a john boating up
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: a river and I'm in the front of the boat
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: looking for tracks or looking for sign and we've been
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: in the boat for four or five hours and then
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: I finally saw tracks coming out and hey, he got tracked.
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: He went over and looked, said, it's a big bull beach.
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: The boat go up into some kind of vegetation. It
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: was about this high, kind of little red berries in there.
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: And as we're just kind of standing there listening for
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: the bull, I look down and at my feet there
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: is a pile of poop with steam coming up off
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: of it. I mean steam is coming off. And I
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: look at the guide and I go moose, and he
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: goes grizzly, and I'm like, okay, So there's grizzly with
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: steam coming off of it, which means he ain't far away.
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: And then and then the w and now we're now
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: we've got a moose coming, and I forget about the grizzly,
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: but and the and he's coming in to fight. He
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: destroys a ten foot tree, I mean down to nothing.
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: He wants to fight, and and but he's kind of
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: hanging up at like fifteen yards because he can't see us,
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: and and in and of the moment, I was not scared,
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: and I thought, oh, I'd be petrified. My only thought
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: was turn so I can get a stick in you.
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: I need.
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: I need an ethical I mean, I need a shot.
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: I need.
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: And it was so hyper focused on what do I
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: have to do to get an arrow in this? And
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: he finally turned to walk off, and I look, and
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: there's a there's a hole, and I'm so I go
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: to full draw and I wait till he fills the hole,
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: and I shoo to me, goes thirty yards and folds up.
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: As soon as that happens. Now I've got the dreddline
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: and I'm doing the stinky leg and shaking it and all.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: But in the moment, I wasn't scared, and I didn't
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: know that about myself. I got you, and I'm like, oh,
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: that's cool. You didn't freeze up, you didn't turn around
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: and run away. You held it together. I didn't know
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: that about myself. Do you uh are you into bows?
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: Do you just go to the bow shop and be like,
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: get me set up?
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: And I want to show.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: I'm like, dude, I'm like, so, I was hunting with
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: a Matthews for a while and I liked it, and
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: but then I got a psc bow that just seemed
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: to fit me. Like when I go in to full draw,
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: I wasn't it wasn't jumping on me. I could hold it,
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: I could draw it straight back. I've hunted with the
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: same boat for eight years.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: You didn't. Oh, yeah, I'm not.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: A junkie on anything. If I get a truck, I like,
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't need a new truck. It's Look
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: at the watch I'm wearing. I mean, I've I've done
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: okay in life. I'm wearing a hundred dollars watch with
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: a broken band, you know, because it tells time. Well,
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: I'm not a latest and greatest thing kind of guy. Yeah,
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: I just found a bow that I liked. I'm like,
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: I like this one. I'm gonna stick with this.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: You mentioned you mentioned hunt arrowheads. What was your introduction
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: to that.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: I had found one or two, I think as a kid.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: But Glenn, my farm manager, had looked for him his
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: whole life, and I'd go to his house and look
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: at his collection. I'm like, that's pretty cool. Well, and
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: I think becoming a bow hunter, as you start to go, damn,
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: these people, Oh these people were pretty gas.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: You were looking at it too from a hunting perspective. Yeah,
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: I know a lot of guys that are into arrowheads
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: that don't look at it from a hunting perspective, which
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: always can comprised me.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: I'm fascinated by everything they do. Like they took rocks
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: and they learned to make a knife. They learned to
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: make a projectile point, they learned to make a grinder.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: A bowl and a grinder, let's mash up acorns or
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: corn or whatever. They were such capable people. So when
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: I look at artifacts, I'm thinking, ay, if I pick
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: it up and go, all right, I'm the first human
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: being in seven thousand years to hold this. But mostly
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: I think about there were some woman or some man
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: sitting here making this, not thinking oh this is pretty
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: or this is artistic. They're thinking I need to carve
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: up that squirrel tonight for dinner. They were making it
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: to live, and I think that's what got me kind
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: of fascinated with it. And the first trip I ever
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: went on, Glenn took me on a trip up to
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: North Carolina. He had a buddy that was planting strawberries, and.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if you guys, we'll go. Every day you'll travel,
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: you'll go like on a hunting trip, but to go
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: if you get an opportunity to go. Look something like
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: I just.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: Did a thing for wounded warriors out in Texas. Well,
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: I knew it was going to be out there, and
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: I called a friend that was close by. I go, hey,
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: you got any buddies of the arrowhead hunt? And he goes, yeah,
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: I got a friend that loves it. And I'm like,
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: find out if we can go with him. So I
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: fly out there and do something good, do the Wounded
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: Warrior show.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: They raise like a million bucks. It was cool.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: But then the next morning we're out looking for arrowheads,
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: so try to combine them together now, and.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: Then you have a lot of stuff from this property
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: you were showing me. Yeah, but I don't mean to
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: criticize it, but you even said it too. It's like
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: it's ugly. It's ugly, but it's ugly because of.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: They didn't have They didn't have rock to work, they
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: didn't have flint. They had courts, which is very hard
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: to make thin and pretty. It was functional, but they
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: just don't make pretty arrowheads. But like, I made friends
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: in Arkansas that have beautiful flint. I made friends in
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: Texas that have beautiful flint. I have friends in Kentucky.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: So hell, we'll get in the car and drive to Kentucky.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: If somebody says, I've got a plowfield and it's rained.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what were you mentioned? You're going where someone was
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: putting in strawberries.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and so they had plowed this field and it
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: was going to rain, and they're fixing the planet. Yeah,
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: they're fixing, but they hadn't planted it yet, but they
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: plowed it. But when you plow it, it's kind of
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: dusty and you can't really see anything. So you need
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: it to rain in a time or two. But the
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: guy said, he said, y'all better be up here in
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: the morning or the meth heads will kill it, cause
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: the meth heads will go out there and look for
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: airheads and sell them. That's my kind of meth head man. Yeah,
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: I never heard of that before.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: Dude.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: You can go up there. It can rain that night,
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: and you can be there at sunrise and the field
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: is covered in footprints and you're like, how is this
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: humanly possible? How do you do this? And so the
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: first place I ever went with him, i'd walked thirty
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: feet from the truck and I saw some thought it
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: was a.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: Piece off attractor, like a spark plug. Picked it up.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: I'm looking around. They had and pottery and things, and
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: as I'm doing it, I'm like, I don't feel like
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: plastic and it's a.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: Pipe, you know. Yeah, so fine, it's because you were
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: you were when you're doing that. Like how when you're
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: looking on the ground you'll sometimes hold something in you
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: just kind of worry it.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I worry it. That's great because I'm always got
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: something in my hand whatever, the most interesting things. Yeah,
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: oh that's a cool rock. You'll walk around with it
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: in your hand. It's whirl it in your thumb.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So uh.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, crap, that's not a tractor part. That's
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: a pipe. It was a stone pipe. And I go
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: over to Glenn, who's been looking for thirty years, and
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: I go, dude, look what I found. He was so
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: pissed he turned around and walked straight away from me,
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: didn't talk to me the rest of the day.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: Mmm. But then I was hooked. If you ever do
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: go do Rogan show, you should bring that pipe. Let him, uh,
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: let him pull a rip, Let him pull a rip
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: off that pipe. Man, he probably get a real kick
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: out of it. Yeah, Native American. Yeah, why not, right,
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: he'd probably love that. So.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: Uh how much time he's spend hunting though, Like you
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: get some time out now, Yeah, I get some time out.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: I'm kind of weird. Like I just had a friend
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: that went to Africa, because I've been to Africa, but
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: not to hunt. Been to Africa like six times. I'd
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: like to do it, but I'm kind of weird. Like
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: he wanted to go hunt a leopard. I have no desire.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: I don't want to shoot something I'm not going to eat.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: And there's nothing wrong with that. I'm just this is me.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: This is the way I'm weird. There's some guys that
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: have foot fetishes, right, and I'm and I look at
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: them and go, have you seen boobs? Because they're they're
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: not bad either, you know, but uh, I mean but
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: to each is, well, here's the thing about the foot
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: fetish too. What he views as gerie I call a
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: flip flop, right, I mean, but so when I say that,
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: I'm not being critical of somebody that wants to hunt
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: a leopard. And that's just the way I'm wired is
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: if I shoot something, I want to eat it. So
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: but I would like to go I'd like to go
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: to Africa and bow hunt, and I still hunt with
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: a gun, Like I just go, Yeah, Well.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: I thought, maybe you gave it all up for your
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: bowl big game. I hunt with a bow. But like, like,
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: I just got turned onto duck hunting. I had my
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: neck fhews ten years ago and the doctor said two things.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: Don't look up and don't shoot a shotgun. That rules
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: I'll duck hunt.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: Well apparently not, because I tried it and I like it.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: And now I'm like, I'll I'll deal with the pain
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: because this is a lot of fun.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: Well, what's in your head? Is there? Like a like
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: how do you how do you tell when you've scratched
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: the itch for a year? Right? Like for me, I'll
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: if there's I like the hunt turkeys a lot, okay,
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: so late May whatever, I'll be in my head. I
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: don't think of how many turkeys I got. I don't
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: think of how many days I hunted turkeys. I think
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: of like, well, how many successful hunts was I in on? Yeah?
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: Meaning my kid got one my buddy got one like
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: that I was trying to shoot. I could shoot none
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: of them, wouldn't matter. And if I finished the spring
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: and I was like, man, I was in on six
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: turkey kills. That's pretty good, then I'll be like, oh,
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: that's pretty good spring. Yeah. You know, when the big
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: game season ends, when it's all said and done, I'll
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: kind of look at was there one particular Did I
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: get some particular animal that I was real excited about?
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: And do I have a whole mountain of stuff started
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: up in freezers? Yeah? And if it's checked, I'm good.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: You know, how do you how do you know? How
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: do you know that your hunting life as well?
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: I think we go through stages as a hunter. First
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: it's I want to shoot a deer. Now I want
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: to shoot a deer with horns. Now I want to
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: shoot a deer with bigger horns.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: Now I want to.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: Shoot a really big deer. And so I've been through
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: all those stages. Now I'm like you, if I can
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: take a kid who's never done it and introduce it
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: to him, that's every bit of rewarding, is shooting a.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: Deer like that.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: I think that's the thing I loved about bow hunting. Uh,
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: And kind of that conversion on big game stuff was
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: I'd shot a lot.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: Of big deer with it.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: Shotting, there's your might be a redneck word shotting shotting,
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: I'd shotten a lot of.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: The guy that didn't like crescendo, he's got real problems
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: with shot He's don't even know where to start when
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: he writes that letter. But but like when you were
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: gun hunting and you'd go, hey, there's a deer, there's
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: oh crap, it's a doe. When you're bow hunting, you're like, oh, hell,
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: here comes a dough. You know, everything's in play, Everything
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: is in play. And I like that about it because
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: it's hard. Man, it's hard to get a stick. You
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: got to let him get. And a friend of mine
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: who loves big bucks, he said, well, what do you
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: do if you're bow hunting and the buck comes out
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: of one hundred yards across the field? And I said,
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: he wins today, But now I know a way that
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: he where he likes to cross, and I'm going to
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: move my stand closer. But he wins today.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: And you're excited about having a grandkit.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Oh, the greatest joy of my life. Honest
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: to God, you get to the point where you think
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: you've kind of got life figured out.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: I had no idea I was going to love a
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: grandkid this much. I got a body that's got in
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: your grandkid. He told me he likes that grandkid better,
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: and he ever liked any of his kids.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: Oh, I told you, I help my kids. I hold
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: my grandson and I go. I love you, and I
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: would lay down my life for you. I would die
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: for you. But I do not love you as much
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: as I love him. I don't love my wife as
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: much as I love you. He is my favorite human
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: being of all time. Well, and I had all girls,
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: and I love being girls. I love being a girl. Dad,
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: what was that track record? Everybody in my family had girls.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: We had eleven girls in a roow. He's the first
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: boy in fifty eight years, like you and your you
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: have you two siblings and you.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: Guys run off.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and no boys. So he's the first boy. And
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: like yesterday morning, he comes out in his pajamas, he's
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: pulling on his green ruber boots, he's got a stumb
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: in his mouth. He goes, checks, let's go ride a tractor.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: And I'm like hell, yeah, let's go ride a tractor.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: I let him drive the truck. I let him sit
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: my light, laugh and drive.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: He's two and a half. That's fun.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but god he's whatever bat I ever did, he
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: makes up for. I've got a great life, you know.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: I've made a fabulous live in doing something that would
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: have done for free, because I love what I do.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: Love.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: I love that comedy. It's it's very rewarding. You're making
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: people laugh. It's it's like the release five that keeps
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: people spoiler from exploding you. But it's not easy. I
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: love the fact that you never get you never get
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: it figured out. After forty years, you would think I
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: would know what people are going to laugh at and
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: what they're not going to I still don't know. She's like,
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: it's like the woman you can't figure out. But that's
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: what keeps her interesting is I can't figure out. Because
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: after forty years, I can go up there and go,
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: hey is this funny and it's crickets nothing.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: And you're like, wow, really it's not funny. So I
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: have that as a career. I have a fun which
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: I love. Man, I don't need I don't need shiny cars.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: I don't need. I love this. I love I love
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: being able to grow my own food. I love being
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: able to hunt my own food. I love being able
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: to share a sunrise, you know, with friends of mine.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: And I've never spent one day in the woods where
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: I went crap that wasn't worth it mm hmm, because
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: you always see something, see a hall, catch a squirrel,
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: or you know, like today you and I stopped and
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: there's two otters chasing fish man. Yeah, you're like, that
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: was cool. Yeah, there's always something like that. So I've
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: got a farm, I've got a great job. I've got
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: a wife that I adore, been married for forty years,
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: got grandkids, I got kids out of door. I'm like,
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: I don't know what I did, but thank you. I
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: have got a great life. Well, thank you for coming
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: on the show.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: Man.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: Dude, I'm fascinated by you. I like what you do,
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: and I like that you humanize hunters.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: It's like I was doing something in La and they
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: were you know, you you guys just shoot everything you see.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: I said, are you kidding me? I said, During the
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: course of a deer season, I will see four hundred deer.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: I might shoot four dos in a buck. I said,
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: and you tell me you love them, you don't love
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: them more than I do, because I'm out on a
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: bulldozer creating habitat for them. I'm out burning to give
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: them more native food.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: I'm out. Don't tell me you love them more. Night. No,
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: you could say to them and said, if you don't
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: think I love deer, I'd like to take you for
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: a little drive. Yeah.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: But what I want is as many as my land
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: can hold with them being healthy. I want it right
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: there to the top. But it's it's not an infinite
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: number of deer. So and I've seen chronic wasting disease.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: I've seen it's when nature takes care of it. It's ugly,
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: much more humane. And I don't and I'm not shooting them.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: It's not the killing. It's every one of them somebody eats.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: It's it's a food source, you know. So, and if
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: you don't like it, that's okay. I don't have to
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: like everything you do, but I like the fact that
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: you show that you know you just you don't have
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: to like it, but I do. And it's legal, and
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: it's it's good, it's fascinating. It's the biggest classroom in
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: the world is the outdoors.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: Yep, well man, thanks for thanks for being a hunter,
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: Thanks for making everybody laugh and making everyone laugh without
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: capitalizing on hate and discord, but just laughing at yourself. Man, Yeah,
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: laughing at ourselves. And I think we've.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: Kind of forgotten how to do this is right now
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: in society people are people have to be right, which
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: means you have to be wrong, which means we're not
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: going to have conversation because I'm not going to engage
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: in a conversation where I have.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: To be wrong.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: And we need to give up our need to be right.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: Because what you find as you age is things that
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: you argued vehemently for as you were twenty. Now I
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: find myself argued vehemently against. I'm like you, learn and
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: you know, we're all wrong about something. We're The truth is,
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: we're all wrong about a lot of things. But we
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: have to engage in those conversations. So, like with you,
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: I want to know what you know that I don't know.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: Those are the conversations I.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: Like to have. I think a way to describe aging.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: One way to describe aging would be it's a process
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: by which you become less and less interested in your
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: own opinion. Agreed.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I told my kids, I said, I miss my
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: thirty year old body, but I wouldn't trade my sixty
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: year old mind and soul.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: To get it back. Because you realize so.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: Many things you wanted to fight about when you're young,
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: you get old, it ain't worth it. It'll sort itself out.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: Half the things you worry about more than half. Ninety
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: percent of the things you worry about, they never happen,
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: and so you kind of there is a wisdom that comes,
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: and that wisdom comes with Everything's not a confrontation you
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: and I. Here's the thing I think politically, you can
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: have two people on total opposite ends of the spectrum.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: But if you sat them down and you said, what
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 2: do you want out of lie? What do you care about?
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: What you we would agree on eighty five percent of
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 2: the same things. We all want to be able to
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: take care of our family. We want to be able
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 2: to take care of our kids, We want them to
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: live in a safe place. We want to have food
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: in our stomach. Fifteen percent would be different. What we
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: should celebrate is that eighty five percent that we're alike.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: You and I grew up in different parts of the
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: country different ways. But as we sit here and talk,
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: we realize, oh, Steve and I are a lot alike
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: on this and the parts that are different. That's what
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: makes you Steve and what makes me Jeff. But what
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: we want to do right now is we want to
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: fight and scream and yell at each other about the
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: fifteen percent instead of going crap, eighty five percent You
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: and I want the same thing. Why why aren't we
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: based in that we can talk about the other. But
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: how boring would it be if we all want it
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: and thought alike, you know, crap?
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: That would be.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: That's one of the things I love about nature is
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: And if you don't have faith, I don't care. I do,
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: but I sit there and go God's infinitely creative. Like
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: there's thousands of different kinds of trees. If you ask
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: me to come up with trees after four.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm out of idea. Like I'm gonna do
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: a little one, a medium. Yeah, I'm done.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: I'm done. Or you know, types of things in the ocean. Man,
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: there's a fish, you know, and you go, crap, how
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: many different kinds of fish are there? Well, for people
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: that love the outdoors, it's always That's what I mean.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: It's kind of a it's a classroom.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: You're like, all of this works together.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: You know, as the squirrels sitting there chewing on the
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: pine combe, some of those kernels are going down and
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: into the soil and becoming pine trees. Well, there's you know,
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: within a square foot of dirt, there's forty thousand organisms
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: living in that and they all do something. These these
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: leaves above it that are decaying or feeding something that
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: feeds something else, and it's all tied together, and it's
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 2: way more brilliant and smarter than I have the compet
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: the ability to understand. So I'm just going to sit
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 2: here and soak it all in and go, wow, isn't
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: that cool.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: It's a great place to do that and experience that.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: And the thing that you were getting at a mintical
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: about that eighty five fifteen percent eighty five percent of
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: stuff brings us together, fifteen percent is different. There's been
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: a like this idea I've been toying around in my
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: head about when I and I've talked about this a
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: number of times, is I compare sometimes my lived experience, right,
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: like what happens me going about my day, going to
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: a gas station down the road from here, whatever what happens,
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: going about my day, and then me reading about what
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: my American life is supposed to be like, yeah, and
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: in reading about what my American life, life is supposed
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: to be like, it's supposed to be defined by polarization,
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: political violence, right, yeah, whatever, all of this economic strain,
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: social economic upheaval, you know. And I'm like, go, Okay,
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: I got it, that's what life's like. But why is
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: that not line up at all with what your experience
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: with what happens when I'm like talking to my neighbors,
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: who I don't know the first thing about where they
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: are at politically, or why does that not happen when
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: I go into a gas station? Why are people cool
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: when I get into an uber? Why am I able
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: to you know what I mean? Like, how am I
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: supposed to be having this but instead I'm having this? Well?
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: In which one's those things? Which of those do you believe?
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: Which is the truth? I'm leaning toward thinking that the
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: lived one is the truth. It is the truth. You
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: follow me.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: I've gotten to the point I say when I walk
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: on stage, and I do I said, I'm standing on
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: the sides of the stage. I remind myself that everybody
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 2: that I'm going to look at is going through some
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: kind of a struggle. And now it might be a
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: physical struggle, it might be emotional, it might be financial,
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: but they're going through something. And that's why, really my
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 2: whole life, I'm like, just have grace with people because
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: you don't know their backstory, you don't know what they're
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 2: going through, So have a little grace with them. And
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: I think that's the cool thing about laughter is you know,
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: we're all in a struggle. That's why I love what
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: I do is I can go visit kids in the
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: hospital and they might have my book, or they might
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: have my game, or they might have my DVD, and
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: they didn't know I was coming. So there's something that
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: I've created that has given them an escape from the
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 2: struggle that they're going through. And I went, oh, that's
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: kind of a cool benefit to this. But yeah, we
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: don't give each other much grace. You know, you don't know,
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 2: Like I worked it a totally under the radar, didn't
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 2: want anybody to know but get up every week and
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: I worked down at a homeless shelter in downtown Line
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 2: for twelve years get up on Tuesday morning five o'clock
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 2: and go down there and work. And my opinion of
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: homeless used to be like, oh, you're too lazy to work.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: Or you're well.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: Most of them were in some kind of addiction. But
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 2: if you learn their story, if you come to learn
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 2: their story, something bad happened. They were molested, they were abused,
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 2: they were and so the addiction wasn't really the problem
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: that that was the symptom. That was I got to
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 2: numb this painful feeling and then you start having grace
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: with them going crap, dude, I would have numbed too.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: We need to get back as a as a society,
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 2: just start doing that with each other. Uh happened some grace,
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 2: So quit yelling life's too short.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. Crack some jokes instead. Yeah, fry up some venison.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 2: Pry up some venison. Crack some jokes. If you don't
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: want to eat the venison, fine hand it to me.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: I'll eat it. Well, man, I want to thank you
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: again for coming on the show. I really appreciate it. Well,
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: I thanks for the tour of the place.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've always been such an admirer of what you do.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: So it's I'm honored that you would be here, that
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: you would take the time to be here.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: Oh no, Once I realized you weren't going to come
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: to me, I decided to come to you. So so
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: suck it, Rogan. Not really.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: I love what he does too. Thanks a lot, man,
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 2: Thanks for having me. Yeah, for sure, come back and
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: hunt and fish.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: I will. I'll bring my kids.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, please bring your kids. That'd be the number one
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: reason you guys could stay here and break everything in here.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: Great. Thank you.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 3: Rack coon pecker, old man in my mountains, keep his
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 3: hat together, Rack coon pecker. Use this tooth thick. It'll
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 3: last forever. Rack coon pecker, best toothpick in town. Well,
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 3: you see, now, I was driving down the road and
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 3: I uh stumbled upon this sheer raccoon there, and I
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 3: ran him over, hit him with my car. Looked at
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 3: this old son of a gun and seeing that he
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 3: has a pecker, not just any kind of pecker, a
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 3: rack coon pecker. Put him in your hat. It holds
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 3: it together, Rack coon pecker. I'm in my tooth. Raccoon pecker,
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 3: gonna pick it out, raccoon pecker.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: Leave it on a tree.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 3: It for dicks.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: The weather.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 3: Rain falling off.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: You know it's rain.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 3: It as dry as a bone.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: It's it's it's right stiff as hell.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 3: It's old ice cold. Old lady gonna give you the
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 3: bone because it's a racon pecker. Can I put it
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 3: in my hand to keep my hat together?
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: Peanut it, and my tooth is gonna pick it on,
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: or raccoon picker. There ain't no doubt