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Episode 81: Breaking Down the Dumpster Fire that is Obi-Wan and Darth Maul's Relationship, Part 1 · Most Things Kenobi - A Star Wars Podcast

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Hello, there. It's time for most things
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Kenobi. Hi everyone, welcome to another
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episode of most things Kenobi. A podcast about Obi-Wan Kenobi
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and all things Star Wars. I'm your host Lauren, and I'm
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your host Leanne and this week, we're going back to our favorite
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character of all time. Obi-Wan Kenobi.
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Yes, it's time to visit the motherland.
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He that is our motherland. Yeah, Earth had a deal and oh
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Oh, that's good. That's real good.
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Daddy, land me in jail this week.
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We're talking about OB wood and Mall.
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The shitshow of a relationship that we absolutely love which I
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think I called his relationship with Quinlan a shitshow.
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Also maybe he's just a shitshow care.
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Well, look at his relationship with Anakin shit, show Satine.
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Shit show. Exactly.
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We're gonna talk a lot about Satine to because you can't talk
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about these two without Satine. Yeah there's a lot of overlap
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there. There is.
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When I was kind of getting my thoughts together for this
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episode. I realized that these two have
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more in common than they do. Like opposed to their opposites,
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they have plenty of opposites, very obvious opposites.
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Right? But they have a lot in common
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like themes, mmm situations, you know, the theme of loss, you the
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theme of struggle, the theme of Abandonment or lonesomeness or
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isolation and they're they're like the two sides of a coin,
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right? Where the center is the same but
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their choices are what? Make them?
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Yes, yes, different. And yeah and I well, okay, so
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we're doing this in two parts. Parts.
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The first part is phantom menace up until Revival and Clone Wars,
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right? And then part two of this series
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is going to be from revival, the way to the end of the well
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Rebels, basically, but what you were just saying, is something I
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talk about, which we can talk about the next episode in part
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2, but in the Lawless, the cinematography actually shows
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Obi-Wan. And while the same way, it was
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really cool. I did a breakdown of it on my
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blog and It's almost spooky, it's really cool and it's very
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deliberate. So you're totally right.
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That they are weirdly similar. Even though you would not notice
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that right off the bat, I'm interested to hear about this,
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the cinematography, you always bring the goods on the
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cinematography side. Let me ask you this question
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first, before we can go any further.
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Are you a fan or were you a fan of bringing Darth Maul back
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after Phantom Menace? Hmm, that's an interesting
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question actually, that's why I asked.
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I would say no. And yes, and here's why no?
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Because it seemed to undermine The Phantom Menace.
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Correct. Like Obi-Wan was a Padawan who
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defeated a Sith. As I paddle out, like, it was a
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huge herd of deal. Yeah.
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Yeah, and it's the first Sith in a thousand years was killed by a
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Padawan Obi-Wan. Kenobi was a huge fucking deal
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and it was indicative of him as a Jedi, and then, actually, he's
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not dead. He's living in a trash pile.
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Yeah. And they bring him that, like I
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was just in the way that stars has done this over and over.
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Well, that's what I wanted to say.
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It's it's become a Theme. Now it has an I find it
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extremely irritating honestly, because they make our heroes and
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then they cut them off at the knees.
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And I so I find that really frustrating Point.
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Poor choice of words, poor, poor choice of words because I was
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gonna bring up the undermining of Darth Vader that for throwing
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Sidious overweight, you know, literally cut off at the knees,
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small cut off at the hips. So I feel the same way about,
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you know, somehow Palpatine has returned.
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Yeah, yeah, right. So how Palpatine return?
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For fuck's sake. Yeah.
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I mean that totally undermined like the sacrifice that Vader
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made for his son and that Luke made for Vader or his dad.
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It was a beautiful thing and so I kind of felt the same way that
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you were saying it undermined Obi-Wan's will even Qui-Gon is
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death. Yeah absolutely because Obi-Wan
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sought that. I don't want to say Revenge but
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I mean there were moments of like where he was angry and he
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lost himself but yeah, thought the finality of it.
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And then was able to have his final moments with Qui-Gon
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thereafter, but but then what became of Mall story is
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interesting enough and it really added a lot of layers to Obi-Wan
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as well to his character as a result.
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Yeah, absolutely. And I love everything about how
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they brought him back. And obviously, Sam Witwer is
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just a fucking genius about it and do the yes.
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We love him. Like everything that mall did
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after that, especially like this.
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Season seven stuff which we'll talk about probably the next
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episode. Like it's fucking good.
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Like it's really fucking good, but I still get annoyed.
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There's even a part in Revenge where Obi-Wan is in the council
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chamber or not. Well, I guess they're in like a
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briefing room and he finds out mall is still alive and Maize
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the Windows. Like this is far too important
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to send Obi-Wan alone. There's a bitch he defeated Him
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is a child, like he can do it now.
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He's a Jedi master. Now, why can't you do it now?
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But he could do it when he was a Padawan like, fuck off Windows a
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dick. Fuck window him and
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ki-adi-mundi. Need to go have a damp towel
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session because that's what they are.
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They're wet Rags. The damp towels.
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I'm overheating now laughing so hard.
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It is a lovely sweater. It's very cozy.
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That's true. Fucks true right but you're
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right though they don't I mean come on Obi-Wan is capable.
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As we've seen time and time again.
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Yeah. Fuck out of here.
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Yeah. Granted.
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When do it doesn't of being right?
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But it is the mind that we're not here to, I mean.
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Yeah. So I don't know.
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The thing that I love about Obi-Wan Amal is that mall?
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Always brings anger out of 0, b, 1 and a.
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He always Really struggles to get back to a center and
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remember don't know like don't fight with passion and so when I
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was making my notes I was kind of that was like the main theme.
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I kept coming back to is that in Phantom Menace, Obi-Wan is
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standing behind the ratio and it gives a little lip curl.
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And that's how we know he's actually angry and he fights
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with anger and passion and it's not until he sits and Mall gets
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the better of him until He centers himself comes back to
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himself and then he is able to defeat mall and that happens
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again, two more times in the episodes of we're talking about
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revenge. It's the only time own is like
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very visibly angry and it looks good on him.
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It's great. I've no complaints but it's that
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that Especially when they're up and like the Gantry and yeah,
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whilst he's like, yeah, he's taunting him taunts him thinking
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like it's not teasing because well maybe I'll be one Nanny, he
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taunts him about Qui-Gon and the look on everyone's face is the
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only time you ever really see rage.
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And this is Ass kicked. It's like every time he leads
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with anger he loses and has to retreat or has to like recenter
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himself or lose his footing. It's pretty interesting and then
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in part two next week we'll talk about how that changes.
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Yeah. I'm all obviously knows his only
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chance with Obi-Wan is using emotion as a weapon because
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yeah. He has all of those crutches
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like Satine. Saigon, even Anakin, you know,
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all of these things that he has to, he can continually remind
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Obi-Wan of to get them in a more vulnerable space.
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Because I mean, you're not going to win the fight unless you
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disarm him, not by weapon, but by mental mental weapon.
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Yeah, I mean, yes. It's There is no other character
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that does that Obi-Wan not even Vader.
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Hmm, Vader, makes him. I mean, as we've seen in the
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Kenobi series, clearly, he's like unsettled in that first
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duel that they have, and he gets his ass handed to him, literally
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burnt. Yes.
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But don't you think it's easier for him to separate it because
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Vader and Anakin are so vastly different that he can treat it
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as two different entities. And well, I would argue that.
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that Vader isn't using emotional taunting necessarily, like
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that's not the reason that Obi-Wan loses that duel, that
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is, it's a mixture of fear instead of anger and He's a bit
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Rusty. Yeah well and he's confronting a
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past. He tried to completely block
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out. Yeah, Mall is there as a
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constant reminder. So he has to face it, you know.
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And when he does face it with Vader, that's when he's able to
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overcome it. It's almost like, well, it's a
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good lesson for all of us. Yeah, confront the thing up
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running. Yes, yes, stop running.
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Yeah. I mean Darth Maul is driven from
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day one. I mean, from his what in the son
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of dathomir comic. Hmm.
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It like he's resentful right off the bat resentful of the
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nightsisters resentful of you know the Jedi not acknowledging.
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The he has for sensibility their sensitivity.
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Scuse me, you know. And he's just like constantly
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angry and he builds off that and that's how he ends up Surviving.
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You know when they do bring mom back.
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Yeah, really literally yeah you just as fueled by constant anger
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and resentment. And I don't see any glimmer of
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any anything until we get to Rebels which we'll talk about
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next week, right? Yeah.
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I was thinking about that too because how exhausting it
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seriously? It's amazing that he uses it to
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strengthen himself because it seems so emotionally draining to
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be that upset all the time. And I was thinking about revenge
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which, you know, is my favorite episode.
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Oh yeah, line. Are literally Mall stays alive
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with his hatred of 0. B 1 which is crazy.
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But one person's hatred. Like you could hate one person
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so much that you survive. Like I don't even know what 15
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years or something like that. Yeah in a trash pile and become
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a spider. Yeah.
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What was an excellent use of engineering.
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Really? He made himself useful and it
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was an upcycling, he up cycled and helped self and others.
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But no, imagine the amount of fucking rage.
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Oh my gosh, seriously and like, the the line where he says, I
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will keep you alive, like I will make you feel every single cut
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like that's dark. I angry must a person be to
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like, take that. Kind of pleasure in hurting
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another person. It's like the only thing he
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lives for he's so obsessed with Obi-Wan but literally every time
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you seem all he's doing something about trying to get
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back at Obi-Wan even though open one might not even be in the
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episode. It's crazy.
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Apparently there's a lot more elaboration on the beginnings of
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malls, hatred in the Queen's Peril as well.
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Really, there's inklings of, he's resentful of the
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nightsisters because his mother is mother talzin.
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Like as actual mother. Well she birthed all of that
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created them, birthed them, I guess.
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OK interesting. She's such an interesting
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character. She yeah and what she paid all
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the attention, all of her attention to the nightsisters.
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So he was pissed about that. Mmm, then he felt abandoned by
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the Jedi who left him on dathomir, despite him having for
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sensitivity. Really?
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I didn't know that they even knew he existed.
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Yeah this is all this is all queens, Peril stuff.
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Interesting should read this book.
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I didn't read it. I just have notes in like trying
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to figure out, where did it all start from all?
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Well, it's just started right off the bat.
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I mean he just I guess if that's all, you know.
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Yeah. We always mention in previous
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you know discussions and episodes and stuff about what a
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mastermind Darth Maul is he's calculated, he's intelligent,
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he's patient obviously. Yeah, you know yeah I don't know
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if I get a lived in a trash pile for 10 years with all that anger
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and no way out. Nope, but he's got all the
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makings of a fantastic. He's right up there with Sidious
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right city has plays the long game.
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Yeah, but mall was so hyper focused and I also noticed that
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he's very similar to a serial killer because he keeps
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mementos. And he has, you know, how some
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serial killers keep things, and we'll talk about it more in the
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next episode, especially when it comes to Satine, but like he's
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got that psychopathy. That's necessary to be hyper
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focused. Really intelligent.
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You know, a lot of serial killers are very intelligent
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individuals. But yeah, they only use it for
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like one thing and it's all selfish and terrible.
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And that's exactly what Darth Maul is.
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So that's so true, he's fucking crazy.
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Well, unlike sociopaths can like, blend into society, but
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Psychopaths usually can't and, like malls, not blend in
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anywhere. No, not by looks not by
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attitude. I mean you put him up against
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his brother sauvage. Yeah.
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And they're they're vastly different and you know kind of
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cut from a similar cloth, maybe not quite, you know, sauvage had
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that. Oh brother, I'll help you
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brother. I respect you brother and Darth
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Maul was like, fuck you. I don't care if you're my
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brother or not get the fuck out my way.
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You're going to help me or get out of my way you know and I
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find that interesting because how can one be so Obsessed with
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just one person. Like, what does that come from?
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Yeah, yet, because it's not, that Obi-Wan is not the only
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person to ever wronged him, but I guess it was the fact that it
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took him off of his pedestal, he lost all of his momentum, not to
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mention his lower half of his body.
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And like when he was revived and like his mind was reset by
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mother talzin. Yeah.
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He He feels the Clone Wars and says that it started without me,
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like, he wanted to be part of that chaos and he lost his
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position as The Apprentice to Sidious.
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And his, I'm surely, he would have gained kind of like, how
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the Vikings, you know, in war their status comes from their
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conquering, and their pillaging, and basically, the treasure.
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If you could go and Conquer a land, you'd become more
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powerful. and I'm sure that's kind of how mall would have been
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as well, but he lost all of that ultimately, it might have even
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saved his life, because if he had remained, Sidious has
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Apprentice It's never going to end well.
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Like that, it's kind of the Sith way to be pitted against your
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own Master. You're an apprentice, they're
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constantly testing each other to see who's going to take power.
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And the fact that Sidious thought he was dead, gave him
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more latitude to actually follow his obsession with ob would
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where he wouldn't have been able to do that.
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He God knows what city is what I had him doing anyway, but I
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would argue that I think that that Darth Maul would have been
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tossed aside. Eventually look at what Sidious
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did with Dooku and pitted Anakin against him to one-up and to,
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like, build Anakin upright to start that, you know, to carry
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that on. I have a feeling that would have
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ended up being mall and Anakin would have had to do away with
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Mall. Absolutely, everyone's just a
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pawn to be moved. Insidious is game Mall.
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Had a sense though that Anakin was part of the master plan?
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Yes, yes. So Interesting that mall
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understood that but Dooku. Yeah, didn't really man.
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It just it just speaks to how manipulative Sidious is always
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so good at it. Picking and choosing, who gets
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what information? I don't know how the man kept it
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all straight, in his own head of who, knew what when, and where
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he had that flow chart, and a pack of cigarettes, like, from
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that from the, It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia that Meme where
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he's pointing at the wall, with all the The strings and the
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lines and he's like, yes, yes, that's how was serious at the
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back room at the, at the fucking Senate.
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It's so true chain-smoking. Poring over his notes.
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So maybe, you know this, I don't know it because I have the comic
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book about. I haven't read it yet after.
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And this is maybe jumping ahead a little bit because after the
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Lawless, you know, how city of shows up at the end of the
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Lawless and take small, what happens to him and leave.
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The wood all comes back. He makes reference.
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That is it pre Vizsla? Who helps him Escape like oh
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you're right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Because his obsession with Mandalore is also a thing.
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So not just the teen but like, Mandalore as a whole.
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Yeah, maybe I'm getting, I'm getting, I'm getting that mixed
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up because he killed previous love right before the Lawless.
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So, it wasn't previous Lihue, freedom.
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But so somebody in the mandalorians freed him and
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that's how we ended up on Mandalore.
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In season seven. So like I don't know the stuff
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that happened in between there like what was city is doing to
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him. When does solo take place in all
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of this? Because he's running that damn
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ring. That Kira was a part of that.
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We see at the end of solo. Oh my God.
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You're right. That's later though.
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That's that's after Clone Wars. Yeah, we need to.
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We need to make like a timeline of malls life.
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You're damn right? We need to pull a Sidious.
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Well, being seriously. Because he's his he's that bad
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penny that keeps showing up, but it's somebody, was it.
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You who said this? Oh, no, I think it was on the
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other day. I do.
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Remember the rare drop show. They were saying that saw
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gerrera keeps popping up all over the place.
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It's like how and why, but it always kind of makes sense.
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Yeah, mall is the same as a key keeps popping up.
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I don't know how or why, but it always makes the plot better.
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It Drew, and they are to clone war relics that somehow made it
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through to a key point in time. Oh man, to the Rebellion.
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So yeah, yeah, Mall. Keep you hopping up.
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I love mall like his little spikes.
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Is it him? Who has one that's broken off?
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Or is it sauvage? Abreast sauvage?
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Okay, sauvage has one. Do you think that hurt?
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I imagine so well, I don't know. I don't like are they like
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antlers I was just going to say I don't want to say it's like an
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antler because I know that antlers the animals will
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actually like knock them off in the winter time I think isn't
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that when they do it but I do okay.
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Now I don't think so. Yeah, I think there's spikes are
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probably attached. I just feel bad that he has.
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That one wonky Spike. I feel bad for a sauvage in so
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many ways because what you Were saying earlier about he was used
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to, he was used, and he was like Hunger Games doing it, right?
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So he was being pitted against his brothers for.
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Yeah, Ventress is sake and then he chose he was trying to
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protect his brother who was like weaker and smaller.
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Yeah. And then he ends up killing him
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because she bewitches him. And he doesn't know the
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difference, and then he gets thrown out into this path.
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That was far worse that he probably imagined it was going
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to be when he was taking that burden on.
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Yeah, it was her. I don't I don't know how I feel
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about death and mirror as a whole It's a pretty fucked up
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story. It's interesting, but it's very
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what's the word just like incredibly brutal?
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It's like, Lord of the Flies on steroids.
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It's like the the nightsisters you know, I want to root for
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them because they're a band of women but they're also kind of
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terrible but then there's some that aren't and you know, I just
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It's got all that weird colored smoke on the planet.
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Not good for if you have asthma. No, I and shit mother talzin has
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a giant like Calves Earnest castle and it's very reminiscent
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of that. The bad character.
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You know, that bad character. She's a Disney witch.
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She has the black horns. Oh, Melissa.
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Maleficent Maleficent. Yeah, she gives me, Maleficent
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Vibes. Isn't that her name Maleficent?
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Yeah, Maleficent yeah okay. I feel like when I'm saying it
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doesn't feel right in my mouth. But no, that's not, that's her.
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Yeah, she's got you know just all the mother talzin is missing
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is a wall of thorns. Seems like death of me would be
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the place for Thorns because they got him growing out of
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their heads. So Revival is a really
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interesting exchange their right.
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So they've interacted during Phantom Menace and now they've
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interacted during revenge and every time Obi-Wan and Mall,
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cross paths, something terrible happens.
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Right? So like Qui-Gon does the first
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time? Obi-Wan almost dies during
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Revenge, true. Idea Galia dies during Revival
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tear, which that moment was so interesting to me.
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Because during that whole duel between Obi-Wan and mall and
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idea Gaya and sauvage, only one is goteng Mall into attacking
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him. Hmm he's on the defensive but
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he's kind of like he does that little like, are you gonna fight
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me or not Little Mermaid with his hands?
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You know, I love that. But after mall or sauvage kills
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d'Italia Obi-Wan starts to attack, like he will, he gets
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his like crazed, look in his eye like he's gonna just fucking
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kill all these dead Sumerians and Mall stops.
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I'm just in time, but it was an interesting moment where he kind
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of like lost himself for a second.
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This man has suffered so much loss, and he always has to be
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there to witness it. He always ends up witnessing it.
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Yeah. Like from a point of view where
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he's not able to help or you know, and again, yeah, he's
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always it, he's held back, I know, right?
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It's, it's the worst kind, it's just awful.
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That's why it's funny. That you've seen that Meme.
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I'm sure of C3PO saying it's our lot in life.
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Life to suffer. And then they sure do like a
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picture of Luke. Yeah, yes.
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Yeah. That that just needs to be
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stamped on ovary ones. Forehead base Obi-Wan.
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Yeah. Oh God, I takes her lightsaber.
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Yeah. And James has performance.
26:59
James Arnold Taylor performance. Win Han do hon.
27:02
Ooh, Hondo is like where where's the other Jedi?
27:05
And he says, she's she's dead. The it's one fucking word, not
27:10
end. Like this sound in his voice is
27:12
so the emotion is so beautiful but without like losing control
27:18
but you can tell he really feels that loss and then the duel
27:22
between him and while and it's about Jesus.
27:26
Just like it. I think so good.
27:30
I could watch that on repeat. I could to I never get tired of
27:35
it. It's so detailed to like if you
27:38
watch it over and over you'll see that there's like very
27:41
specific choices that the animators made, I guess, the
27:46
director made of how ob1 fights them and it's really fucking
27:50
cool. And I just I don't know, man.
27:54
I really feel like if he had fought them again in the Lawless
27:59
he would have won. Hmm.
28:02
Yeah but it was and we'll talk about this in the next episode
28:06
as it being like kind of the first time he chooses not to
28:08
fight. Yeah I know I know next week is
28:15
going to be a good episode. Yeah because the the real feels
28:19
come in. Yeah.
28:20
And the real Twisted nastas of Darth Maul Comes.
28:23
I mean yeah it's been pretty fucked up up until him up until
28:28
this point but I feel like there's there's a separation
28:32
here. It was Sidious has right-hand
28:36
man. Darth Maul then he dies or gets
28:38
cut in half whatever. Then he has time to go crazy
28:41
loses mine and refocus himself and then he comes into his own
28:45
strength through that this first half of the Clone Wars.
28:49
And I think you really find where his I'll like his where
28:56
his comfort zone is with torturing, hmm?
28:59
You know he's like okay this is what I really like.
29:02
This is how I'm really going to attack people and this is how
29:05
I'm going to do it. He has that power that he didn't
29:08
have as being, you know, The Apprentice to City ice or
29:12
someone in a very mentally incapacitated State as he was
29:17
following The Phantom Menace. Yeah, so I think when he gets to
29:20
the point of the law Less. He is in full control of
29:25
himself, his mind his power, all the content, all the things are
29:29
there to make him, truly ruthless.
29:33
Yeah, and he's no longer just trying to hurt right?
29:37
One physically he's using a more like cerebral approach of How do
29:44
I make you lose yourself the way?
29:45
I yes myself. Yeah, it's no longer just how
29:49
many scars can I cause it's how deep can I cut?
29:52
And it's like yeah that's the real frightening part of anyone
29:58
who has that, you know. Yeah.
30:00
For sure it I know this is might sound like a bit of a stretch
30:04
but it really reminds me of the killing joke from Batman.
30:08
And the whole idea of that story is the Joker is trying to prove
30:12
to Batman that are Takes is one bad day for someone to turn into
30:15
the Joker. And, of course, Batman is trying
30:19
to argue that, that's not actually true and it's, it's
30:23
kind of similar here that it's, like, mall is hoping that
30:27
putting this pressure on Obi-Wan using Satine is going to make.
30:32
You just as bad as me, see, you're no different than me.
30:35
And like the worst way to hurt you is to make you lose, who you
30:40
are and it doesn't happen. It doesn't.
30:43
Doesn't work and that's, oh, it's so good.
30:47
I know I can't wait to talk about it next week.
30:49
It's going to be awesome. It's why Obi-Wan is so fucking
30:53
amazing? What's it like in parallel with
30:56
what, how you were, describing malls, Arc up to this point.
31:00
What we're talking about in this episode, the same with Obi-Wan,
31:03
it's like, he had this idea of who he was going to be, he's a
31:07
Padawan with a teacher and then all of that changed like the
31:11
battle at the seed, was kind of like this.
31:13
Chrome point for him, that changed his path into something
31:17
especially with like Anakin and everything.
31:19
He was like, Destiny had control of him after that and he was
31:23
kind of just going on a whole different path but that moment
31:26
also changed the way. He fought it changed the way he
31:30
realized. Like, how you have to keep
31:31
control of yourself in an emotional battle.
31:35
He learned that really young at a very young age after watching
31:39
Qui-Gon die and he almost lost control and then came back under
31:42
control. And you see every time he
31:44
interacts with Mall up until this point in Revival that all
31:48
the one kind of loses control for a bit when he's with wall,
31:52
and you can see that he learns something from that.
31:57
And next week, we'll talk about how like after this boat OB but
32:00
I'm all have different approaches when they interact
32:03
with each other and it's really amazing, actually.
32:08
Yeah, these two are obviously tied together from start.
32:13
To finish their paths are one that cross and re-cross cross
32:17
again. And like you said, destiny fate
32:20
that sort of thing. The force may be working in a
32:22
once favored or not his favor but just their guiding.
32:30
It raises the question, you know, Force, are you there?
32:35
It's me. Oh, we want, you know, it works
32:39
in mysterious ways. It causes all this loss but it
32:42
causes him to To turn into this amazing human and save so many
32:46
more, you know it's this, right? Exactly like you see the The Arc
32:51
of his life because we see his everything except basically, his
32:55
first, I don't know what 12 years or even maybe, I don't
32:59
know when Padawan takes place that book, but we only don't
33:02
know, Obi-Wan is a baby. That's basically it.
33:04
So we see all the rest of his life and to see where he starts
33:07
to where he ends up pain causes Enlightenment.
33:12
Oh, Like just a percent in in real life it does.
33:16
So this is Buddhism 101. Exactly.
33:19
He's one of the most enlightened beings by the end because he has
33:23
endured so much but hasn't been destroyed by it.
33:26
You know, that goddamn it is such a good character, he really
33:30
is and it pisses me off even more because every time he
33:34
thinks, okay, this will be the instance It doesn't happen, it
33:38
doesn't work. God, I just love Obi-Wan.
33:42
I did too. I love it and I love them all
33:44
things. He's got him figured out and
33:46
he's wrong every time, every time.
33:49
It's so, it's okay. So to wrap it up, back to my
33:53
original question, right? There's a reason why I asked it.
33:56
Yeah, yes, it sucked that. The original cutting in half of
34:02
mall was was undone. But look at the greatness that
34:06
came because Cuz of it, right? Absolutely the, the character
34:10
building that happened. Yeah, with Obi-Wan, our favorite
34:14
character, it just added to his greatness.
34:17
It really did. And it would think of all the
34:19
epic moments that it led to, you know, it's pretty pretty fucking
34:24
amazing. And it's, you know, it's like
34:26
the Revival Revenge Lawless and then everything that happened in
34:32
Clone Wars season 7. Yeah, the malls reappearance in
34:37
Rebels and his spoiler alert his conclusion and Rebels.
34:44
Yeah, fucking epic. Like every moment is layered
34:47
with meaning and that's why it's really cool to see this
34:50
character because he wasn't just brought back for shock value.
34:54
He actually moved the story forward.
34:56
He moved Obi-Wan story forward but he moved all of Star Wars
34:59
forward. So I think it was actually a
35:01
pretty masterful choice. Okay.
35:08
Our audience question. How do you think?
35:12
Obi-Wan Kenobi and Darth Maul are similar.
35:16
Tell us your thoughts. There are many parallels between
35:20
them, but do you see something that maybe we missed?
35:23
Let us know your thoughts on this.
35:27
So next week, we will pick this discussion back up and talk
35:31
about Obi-Wan and Darth Maul's relationship starting with the
35:34
episode, The Lawless and how Satine comes into play with all
35:39
of this. And we will end in Rebels the
35:42
finale of Darth Maul and Obi-Wan's relationship in the
35:46
episode twin Sons. So join us back because this is
35:49
this one is going to be really intense because a lot a lot goes
35:54
on yeah between those two. It's a lot of chaos kinds of
36:00
shit. So come on back.
36:02
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