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I. Mastering your Patterns with Lisa Donovan · Deeply Well with Devi Brown

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Speaker 1: And the ancestors told me that you would come to
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Speaker 1: welcome back. It's the Dropping Jim's podcast. I am Debbie Brown.
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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us again. This week.
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Speaker 1: We are deep diving into astrology today, but specifically our
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Speaker 1: birth charts and even more specifically the absolutely incredible app
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Speaker 1: that seven point five million people are using to get
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Speaker 1: more deeply connected with themselves. Today we are talking to
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Speaker 1: the creator of the pattern. I'm really excited for today's conversation. UM.
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Speaker 1: Something I've shared on this show, something I speak to
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Speaker 1: quite a bit on my Instagram and uh, within my
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Speaker 1: social circles in my life. UM, is the really beautiful
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Speaker 1: gift that is astrology. I think so many of us
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Speaker 1: were used to seeing astrology through one particular lens, through
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Speaker 1: the Western astrology lens, for so long, which is the
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Speaker 1: kind of back of the magazine, you know, the quick
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Speaker 1: little tidbits of today. You'll have them luck, or you
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Speaker 1: might get this, or you might get that. And the
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Speaker 1: thing that is so beautiful about astrology is I really
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Speaker 1: believe it to be such a powerful spiritual teacher and
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Speaker 1: such a tool for awakening and enlightenment. I believe that
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Speaker 1: astrology is a spiritual science. And the way that astrology works,
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Speaker 1: especially in the in the sense of your birth chart,
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Speaker 1: is it is so deeply connected to the location you
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Speaker 1: were born, the time you were born, and the wind
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Speaker 1: that you were born, and all of the ways that
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Speaker 1: that can inform your life path and give you a
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Speaker 1: clear lens within which to view yourself, view your life,
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Speaker 1: and view the curriculum or the patterns that are at
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Speaker 1: play with you. So on today's show, I'll be speaking
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Speaker 1: with Lisa Donovan. Now, Lisa has had such a fascinating
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Speaker 1: and expansive life. Before online face was a thing, and
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Speaker 1: before YouTube was even the megap platform that it is now,
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Speaker 1: there was a small group of digital pioneers, and Lisa
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Speaker 1: Donovan was one of them. She was on the forefront
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Speaker 1: of online content way back in two thousand and five,
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Speaker 1: and she started one of the first and most successful
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Speaker 1: YouTube content channels on the site, which then led to
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Speaker 1: many jobs in mainstream Hollywood. But she decided to go
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Speaker 1: a completely different route. So utilizing so much of that
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Speaker 1: beautiful online experience that she had, Lisa co founded and
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Speaker 1: served as a board member for Maker Studios Next, which
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Speaker 1: was the next generation talent focused technology and media company.
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Speaker 1: She did huge things with that. It sold to Disney,
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Speaker 1: and then she really anchored into a deeper service, a
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Speaker 1: deeper path creating the pattern. So confronted with a really
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Speaker 1: harsh reality that the foundation of much of what she
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Speaker 1: thought she knew was slipping away. Making so many of
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Speaker 1: those pivots and really big transitions, Lisa began a long
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Speaker 1: journey of self discovery that became the impetus for her endeavor.
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Speaker 1: The pattern born from both personal experience. During this challenging time,
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Speaker 1: Lisa focused all of her efforts on creating something that
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Speaker 1: could help others feel seen, understood, and supported, especially in
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Speaker 1: times of perceived struggle or deep challenge, and while living
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Speaker 1: in her childhood bedroom, she passionately wrote every single passage
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Speaker 1: in the app, which was a labor of love that
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Speaker 1: Lisa had spent over six years developing before this type
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Speaker 1: of information was easily accessible to all. This app is
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Speaker 1: rooted in astrology, and it guides and empowers you to
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Speaker 1: achieve a higher level of consciousness and acceptance of your
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Speaker 1: authentic self. The pattern unlocks the keys to your personality
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Speaker 1: traits by providing a breakdown of the ways in which
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Speaker 1: you operate in the world and relate to others. So
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Speaker 1: go ahead and get comfortable. We're doing this in two parts.
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Speaker 1: Download the app so you can play along with it
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Speaker 1: as we're going through it and get ready to maybe
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Speaker 1: meet yourself more deeply or get a mini master class
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Speaker 1: and how to understand how this could potentially be a
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Speaker 1: really useful tool to you on your journey. And I
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Speaker 1: gotta I gotta give you guys a little behind the
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Speaker 1: curtain of this episode. We ran into almost a twenty
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Speaker 1: minute stand still trying to have this conversation, and Lisa
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Speaker 1: was so gracious and so amazing about sticking with us
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Speaker 1: through our technical difficulty. So I am I'm so excited
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Speaker 1: to finally be sharing UM and able to start impacking
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Speaker 1: this conversation. Lisa. Thank you so much, Lisa Donovan, welcome
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Speaker 1: to the show. Thank you for having me. I'm so
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Speaker 1: grateful to be here. And I feel like we just
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Speaker 1: went through something together. I know, we just bound difficulties,
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Speaker 1: really bonded for life, for life, We bonded in such
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Speaker 1: a deep way and just I mean, I gotta say
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Speaker 1: your level of graciousness and grace through that was so beautiful, UM,
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Speaker 1: And so I am really grateful. Wow, we worked well together.
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Speaker 1: I have been so looking forward to this conversation and
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Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't even know where to start. I
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Speaker 1: live by my chart, and something that I've talked about
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Speaker 1: on this show is, you know, I really, I really
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Speaker 1: experience astrology as a spiritual science, as one of the
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Speaker 1: most profound tools you could invite into your life. And
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Speaker 1: the way that I experienced it it. It really feels
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Speaker 1: like and I don't believe in these terms like life
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Speaker 1: hacks or cheat code, but that's exactly what it feels like. UM.
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Speaker 1: And it's just the way you have designed this. It's
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Speaker 1: it's so profound, like it's so beautiful and the way
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Speaker 1: that you interpret the chart. I'm a big believer that
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Speaker 1: people UM can only use their gifts as deeply as
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Speaker 1: their healing has come through and so work like this,
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Speaker 1: but it's really divine translations. And the way that you
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Speaker 1: translate this divine work is so so not just beautiful,
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Speaker 1: but it become such a profoundly useful tool. UM. You
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Speaker 1: may feel I don't even know what to say. I
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Speaker 1: feel like I'm just gonna walk offs. It's enough, you know,
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Speaker 1: I thank you so much, God, and I and there
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Speaker 1: and there's so many things that we're going to get
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Speaker 1: into about your life. Your life is absolutely fascinating, your path,
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Speaker 1: But first let's start here. How did you first connect
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Speaker 1: to astrology? I just gotta chill everything you're saying, because
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Speaker 1: I agree with you everything you say about astrology. And
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Speaker 1: I was not somebody who grew up maybe in a
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Speaker 1: spiritual home or where UM astrology would have been sort
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Speaker 1: of on the agenda at all. Everything was logic and
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Speaker 1: we can rationalize that and we can think about that. Um.
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Speaker 1: So it came to me a little bit later, you know,
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Speaker 1: it came to me when my life, Um, you know,
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Speaker 1: I was needing some challenges. My life kind of took
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Speaker 1: sort of drastic turns and everything turned upside down. Everything
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Speaker 1: I understood about it, my my ego, my personality, how
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Speaker 1: I thought things were going to be, the people I
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Speaker 1: thought i'd be with, the business I was running, the
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Speaker 1: life I was going to live. Um, it was just
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Speaker 1: gone very quickly, and I was gonna have to kind
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Speaker 1: of start from scratch. And you know that's when these
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Speaker 1: things come to you, right. I just it was just random.
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Speaker 1: Someone was talking about it and I said, oh, I'd
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Speaker 1: like to try that, which I don't think I ever
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Speaker 1: would have in the past. You know, maybe I wouldn't
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Speaker 1: have needed that. I would have been open to it
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Speaker 1: when have hurt it. So it came at the right time,
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Speaker 1: and I probably had preconceived notions about it. Again, it
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Speaker 1: was sort of trapped in the mind about everything and
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Speaker 1: I had this reading and it was a complete sort
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Speaker 1: of psychological breakdown, an emotional breakdown of who I was,
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Speaker 1: all the things I've felt my whole life, certain insecurities,
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Speaker 1: certain fears. It was so specific to and what I
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Speaker 1: was going throughout that time. It was sort of a revelation,
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Speaker 1: what is this? You know? It almost felt like magic
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Speaker 1: or that it's not magic, it's spirit, right, It's being
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Speaker 1: open to the world that I was not connected to.
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Speaker 1: Not that it wasn't knocking out my door all the time,
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Speaker 1: or that now that I look back, it was there always,
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Speaker 1: but but um, this was my entry into it and
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Speaker 1: changing my life completely. This is eight years ago and
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Speaker 1: being more on you know, I hate these terms to
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Speaker 1: the path that were, but being on it and like, wow, okay,
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Speaker 1: well this is a different way to live and be
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Speaker 1: a bit more you know, aware, And it allowed me
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Speaker 1: to go very deeply into what I was going through
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Speaker 1: and to process and understand sort of my pain and
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Speaker 1: my joys and my strengths and my fears and my wounds,
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Speaker 1: and um, it just blew me away. And that was
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Speaker 1: sort of you know, had experienced that's tool at this
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Speaker 1: very challenging time is what gave birth to the pattern.
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Speaker 1: I was like, everyone needs to all about this to
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Speaker 1: people people, because I had the oh, it's cheesy, and
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Speaker 1: how can everybody born in the month of June be
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Speaker 1: the same person and having the same thing, which, of
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Speaker 1: course it's not. It's much more specific when you get
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Speaker 1: into it, and it's really um you know, you're mooning
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Speaker 1: your venus and all these specific things, and it's really
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Speaker 1: dialed into you. And I was like, I gotta figure
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Speaker 1: out a way to like get this to everybody and
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Speaker 1: get rid of what kept me away from it for
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Speaker 1: so many years and bring it down to like two
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Speaker 1: Earth where it can be sort of translated. I say,
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Speaker 1: I want to translate it and make it accessible. And
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Speaker 1: then you know this is going seven eight years ago
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Speaker 1: and then years and years and years what that journey
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Speaker 1: would be, which I thought it'd easy. I was like,
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Speaker 1: I'll just do this. It's like I'm gonna take a
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Speaker 1: long time, and here we are. You know what I
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Speaker 1: would love to to unravel for the audience is like
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Speaker 1: I think when people are starting to hear about using
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Speaker 1: your chart, they're they're thinking of it in the structure
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Speaker 1: of the back of the magazine or like those little
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Speaker 1: scrolls at the front of the grocery aisle where it's
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Speaker 1: like of western astrology, which is really based on your
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Speaker 1: son and it's all about you know, and today girl
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Speaker 1: put on a little extra lipstick or and this is
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Speaker 1: you know, it's like and I was always drawn to astrology,
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Speaker 1: but when I used to read those, I'm like, what
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Speaker 1: does this mean? Like how do I actually apply this
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Speaker 1: to be useful and not just feel like a like
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Speaker 1: a game or like you know, just a little like
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Speaker 1: fun um. But your birth chart, like your chart chart
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Speaker 1: when you're going through your house is and you got
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Speaker 1: your moon and your sun and your rising and your venus.
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Speaker 1: And the way that I experience is it helps you
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Speaker 1: understand the greater story at play about your life. You know,
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Speaker 1: you're able to really zoom out and look at life
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Speaker 1: as a vertical And for me it really represented as
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Speaker 1: I was able to see the the patterns no pun intended, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: but you're able to see the patterns at play so
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Speaker 1: that you can work with them as tools. And I
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Speaker 1: think so many of us we get caught in this psycho.
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Speaker 1: Why does this keep happening to me? Oh I had
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Speaker 1: this happened to me, Then that person did it too.
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Speaker 1: When I was a kid, this happened, It still happens.
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Speaker 1: We look at it as as the system of personalization
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Speaker 1: of all that we're doing wrong or what what is
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Speaker 1: so wrong about us that we're drawing this to us.
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Speaker 1: And that's what I think is so beautiful about the
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Speaker 1: pattern and so beautiful about living with your chart, is
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Speaker 1: that it it really lets you know this is not
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Speaker 1: an against no for you, This is not a judgment
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Speaker 1: for you, this is not a punishment, this is this
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Speaker 1: is what we signed up for. And being able to
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Speaker 1: zoom out, it's like, oh, of course, this is how
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Speaker 1: my life is unfolding. Okay, now that I see that,
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Speaker 1: let me get on the path with intention. Let me
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Speaker 1: get on the path with a co creation, a way
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Speaker 1: of being with it, so that I'm designing my life,
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Speaker 1: in a word, in swift, Because when you design your
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Speaker 1: life in accordance with your chart, it's like you unlock
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Speaker 1: this insanely beautiful flow. I mean, you just spoke about
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Speaker 1: it so beautifully. I can't even imagine adding to this,
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Speaker 1: I really, but you said it is so powerful and
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Speaker 1: how I feel it's really aligned with and that's what
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Speaker 1: it was for me or what it is for me,
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Speaker 1: And I felt like it could be a tool for
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Speaker 1: empowering you. I think the way we think of astrology
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Speaker 1: is sort of predictive. This is what you were saying, is,
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Speaker 1: you know, don't go to the store today, do this,
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Speaker 1: do that, very you know, it's really just to sell
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Speaker 1: newspapers and to sort of you know, here's your sun sign,
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Speaker 1: here's you know you need to know this week. There's
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Speaker 1: something much deeper. This wisdom is ancient, it's you know,
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Speaker 1: it's this universe we're living in. I think the idea
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Speaker 1: of it is to be a tool for empowerment, not
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Speaker 1: dissempowering you. And I think what you said is exactly
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Speaker 1: it by getting very objective, because I think we spend
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Speaker 1: our lives very narrow. All we know is what's year
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Speaker 1: and what's around us. And we started comparing ourselves. Why
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Speaker 1: don't I know this? Why am I not more like this?
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Speaker 1: And we don't sort of own our path and our truth.
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Speaker 1: And I think that's it. That's sort of you know,
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Speaker 1: disconnect from sort of the soul tight and the personality.
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Speaker 1: Right that Gary's you cough. You know, when you align
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Speaker 1: those two things, you're really empowered your soul and your personality.
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Speaker 1: And the idea of this or the pattern or any
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Speaker 1: tool is to sort of reconnect you with that truth,
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Speaker 1: that blueprint in your life because we go off and
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Speaker 1: that's what it was for me. When I had the
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Speaker 1: first reading, I was like, oh, oh my god, I
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Speaker 1: could just stop turning. So all right, yeah, I know,
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Speaker 1: I know everything you're telling you that's true. Why have
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Speaker 1: I been spending you thirty years of my life? I'm
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Speaker 1: trying to do this, and yes, that pattern is true.
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Speaker 1: And then instead of it being about the other person,
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Speaker 1: that was the most empowering. Anytime you're thinking your problem
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Speaker 1: is about somebody else, so they're not giving you something,
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Speaker 1: there's you're so off track. And this was so empowering
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Speaker 1: because I was like, oh, it's me. I bring that
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Speaker 1: person in every time. And then you just sort of
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Speaker 1: free because you're like, I can work with this, you
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Speaker 1: know I can. I can own that. And then you
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Speaker 1: can get really objective about it. You sort of see
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Speaker 1: the myth of your life. You see how you all
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Speaker 1: come together, why you're coming together. You can see the
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Speaker 1: greater story and not take it so literally every day
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Speaker 1: like and I mean, that kind of stuff goes out
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Speaker 1: the window, like oh, she talked to me this way
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Speaker 1: or this, Well, what's her pattern? What's she going through. Okay,
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Speaker 1: she has a wound where you know, you connect with
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Speaker 1: each other this way, that's maybe gonna make her feel
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Speaker 1: really judged, and now you can have compassion for that
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Speaker 1: and you can adjust for that, and you can. So
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Speaker 1: that's what that was. Just it's everything you said, and
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Speaker 1: that was my sort of personal experience. It was this
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Speaker 1: massive liberation. There's nobody to blame, there's nothing to like,
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Speaker 1: and now I'm on this path where I can just
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Speaker 1: keep sort of coming back to that and either it
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Speaker 1: resonates or it doesn't. You read your pattern and there's
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Speaker 1: some truth and you can take something away from it
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Speaker 1: or not, and that's either way. It's fine. You know.
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Speaker 1: It's not we're trying to give into anybody of anything.
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Speaker 1: I'm not. It's just like an offering. Yeah, you know,
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Speaker 1: like if it's helpful, use it, you know, and maybe
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Speaker 1: it'll be helpful at a different time. It wouldn't have
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Speaker 1: been helping me at twenty. I wasn't ready to hear anything.
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Speaker 1: What does all this mean? I talk to people in
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Speaker 1: their twenties that are so conscious and I'm like, oh,
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Speaker 1: man to me a long time, Yeah, well, we we existed,
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Speaker 1: and so that ushered in a new consciousness to the
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Speaker 1: planet that is allowing for that. You know, I think, um,
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Speaker 1: we're some more time time. Yes, you're always on time.
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Speaker 1: So I love that you can get rid of sort
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Speaker 1: of when you understand that too. In your transits and
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Speaker 1: what you're going through, there's no more pomo. You realize
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Speaker 1: there's no other place you're supposed to be or exactly
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Speaker 1: where you're supposed to be. Get off to comparing get
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Speaker 1: off thinking Okay, you're gonna be in a transit where
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Speaker 1: it's gonna you're gonna feel like you can't go do
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Speaker 1: that or go hang out with those people in the
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Speaker 1: same way that's okay, just accept sort of like to accept. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and that's the word. That's what I really think. The
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Speaker 1: pattern does so beautifully. Um and and this is what
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Speaker 1: really working with your chart does. But the way that
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Speaker 1: you have designed you're offering for the world, it's it's
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Speaker 1: so beautiful because I'm noticing there's so many things that
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Speaker 1: you tie into understanding a chart, like there is deep
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Speaker 1: psychological process. There's also so much um connectedness to like
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Speaker 1: the path of non judgment. And really something in meditation
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Speaker 1: that we speak too often is like coming into the
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Speaker 1: role of being the observer or being the witness of
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Speaker 1: your thoughts. And I think the way that you have
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Speaker 1: written and designed this app it allows people to come
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Speaker 1: into that without even realizing you're coming into that. Like
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Speaker 1: some of the language is so exquisite. And this app,
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Speaker 1: especially as it relates to what you were just talking to,
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Speaker 1: which is like you know, hey, I'm having tension with
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Speaker 1: this person. It's their fault. And then you look at
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Speaker 1: it and you're like, you might have tension with this
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Speaker 1: person because they're bringing this forward in you, and that
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Speaker 1: is no one is doing anything wrong. It's just to
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Speaker 1: be aware of. And it's like, oh the freedom, well,
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Speaker 1: the freedom I don't have to be mad at me.
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Speaker 1: I don't have to be mad at you. This is
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Speaker 1: just what is and like this is it's such a
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Speaker 1: tool for self acceptance. Thank you. That's I mean, that's
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Speaker 1: the goal. That was the goal, and I thank you
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Speaker 1: for that because that was that's that piece. I didn't
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Speaker 1: want anybody to feel judge. So it was a lot
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Speaker 1: of like, it's not you, it's not that, it's just
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Speaker 1: a patternentis can you get outside that? Because it's so
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Speaker 1: much easier to just judge someone or judge yourself, you know,
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Speaker 1: and stay suck in all this sort of pain and
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Speaker 1: all this wounding. That's what you know, where ideally it
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Speaker 1: can be that sort of luck deliberation exactly, the freedom
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Speaker 1: of like, oh okay, I don't like to get stuck
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Speaker 1: in that, you know, and give perspective. And that was
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Speaker 1: part of the the most important part of the writing
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Speaker 1: for me, was out of making sure like, okay, this
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Speaker 1: sounds to judgment, but we had to read that because
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Speaker 1: it sounds just a slightly as your mental or you know,
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Speaker 1: how do we just open it up to the sort
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Speaker 1: of space for you to let somebody have their experience,
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Speaker 1: you have your experience, and let it let it be.
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Speaker 1: Um so I think, I think, thank you, I'm so
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Speaker 1: glad you know that that resonant. That was certainly the attention. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's it feels like a powerful tool for awakening because
19:19
Speaker 1: that is the piece that I think keeps so many
19:22
Speaker 1: from the deepest level of themselves. There is always some
19:26
Speaker 1: against us or some belief that this inner seed of
19:31
Speaker 1: worthlessness is going to be validated by your life, right,
19:35
Speaker 1: you know, you bring that in, you validate it by
19:38
Speaker 1: creating your magnetic for those kinds of experiences, So you're
19:42
Speaker 1: going to bring in whatever is. That's why you can
19:44
Speaker 1: own the wound you can get into. I'm gonna change
19:47
Speaker 1: that level. I'm gonna, I'm gonna I'm not gonna be
19:50
Speaker 1: magnetic with that anymore because I don't I don't believe
19:52
Speaker 1: that anymore. Whereas you're gonna every experience you're gonna have
19:55
Speaker 1: in life is just gonna bring in what you're feeling
19:57
Speaker 1: to that, and that's the empowerment piece hopefully, or the
20:00
Speaker 1: akening a piece of like get out of that cycle.
20:02
Speaker 1: Could be ten years blaming somebody for your whole life,
20:05
Speaker 1: blaming somebody you know, um, And it's right there for
20:08
Speaker 1: you if you kind of just like you said, if
20:11
Speaker 1: you would sort of work intentionally with this stuff like
20:14
Speaker 1: I chose this. I chose to feel deeply insure about
20:17
Speaker 1: myself because you know what the path is about self love,
20:20
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna have to learn that that's part of
20:22
Speaker 1: my path. How amazing, Okay, how amazing. Now I know
20:26
Speaker 1: my curriculum. Now I know my work, and so I
20:29
Speaker 1: don't have to keep running in this circle with myself.
20:32
Speaker 1: I can really get going and know that I am
20:35
Speaker 1: a creator. I am in the driver's seat of my life.
20:37
Speaker 1: I'm an active participant. Uh so good. The pattern, You
20:48
Speaker 1: guys have a user base of six million people right now.
20:51
Speaker 1: This has been driven completely organically through word of mouth,
20:54
Speaker 1: like no advertisement. That is actually seven and a half
20:58
Speaker 1: I think. Now, Oh my god. Okay, and you know,
21:01
Speaker 1: one of the things that the pattern really stands behind
21:03
Speaker 1: is it guides and empowers you to achieve a higher
21:06
Speaker 1: level of consciousness and acceptance for your authentic self. How
21:13
Speaker 1: how exactly does the app work and how is it
21:16
Speaker 1: possible to assimilate such unique and specific understanding for each
21:24
Speaker 1: person out of seven point five million people? Yeah, I mean,
21:29
Speaker 1: algorithms are complicated to explain clearly. It is a it's
21:33
Speaker 1: a very sort of robust algorithm, i'd say, and it
21:36
Speaker 1: is sort of more complex, I think than what is
21:40
Speaker 1: or what has been out there, because when I started
21:42
Speaker 1: looking for something after I had my experience, I couldn't
21:44
Speaker 1: find anything that sort of synthesize at all and went
21:46
Speaker 1: as deep as I wanted it to go, right. I
21:48
Speaker 1: wanted all the information. I wanted it to be just
21:50
Speaker 1: like my reading and give it, give it all to
21:52
Speaker 1: me as if I was an person with somebody and
21:54
Speaker 1: that was sort of the intention behind it was, Okay,
21:57
Speaker 1: how can we mimic I wanted to mimic experience. I
22:00
Speaker 1: had that a weekening I had, So I will say
22:04
Speaker 1: it took a very long time, and that when you're
22:08
Speaker 1: sort of extracting this information, trying to understand the system
22:11
Speaker 1: something that is an oral tradition and you're trying to
22:13
Speaker 1: put it into an al rhythm and and it was
22:16
Speaker 1: years and years of writing content. So there was quite
22:20
Speaker 1: a bit of stock piling content and testing and I
22:24
Speaker 1: go out and test a lot because you know, we
22:26
Speaker 1: get more and more detailed, because I was like, oh,
22:29
Speaker 1: we're still not hitting this though I know this piece
22:31
Speaker 1: is so important and it's not showing up. It's because
22:33
Speaker 1: we need to add this to it, right. So um,
22:37
Speaker 1: it was a lot of trial and there are a
22:39
Speaker 1: lot of testing. Um, and that was sort of the
22:43
Speaker 1: amazing part of the testing. This a little digression, but
22:47
Speaker 1: everybody I spoke to it didn't matter age, gender, raise,
22:51
Speaker 1: every single person wants to feel scene and understood, right.
22:54
Speaker 1: And so just seeing that was so motivating, you know,
22:58
Speaker 1: because maybe it's it started not that it was symbolo.
23:02
Speaker 1: The intention when it was always to make it that deep.
23:04
Speaker 1: But basically you wanted to hit I wanted to hit
23:07
Speaker 1: everybody's experience, right and I and it just the more
23:09
Speaker 1: I tested and margot into, the more it was compelled
23:11
Speaker 1: to write more and make it more robust and make
23:13
Speaker 1: it more us. You know, this one on for years
23:16
Speaker 1: and years and years. Um, and yeah, I mean I
23:20
Speaker 1: know I'm not giving the exact it's not like there's
23:22
Speaker 1: the but like, because it is a complicated thing to explain,
23:26
Speaker 1: I will see our moon sign. Astrology we do not
23:29
Speaker 1: take into account the sun and archetypally, so when you're
23:32
Speaker 1: reading your pattern, you're never reading about your son unless
23:36
Speaker 1: that sun sign is also you're vings or your Mars,
23:39
Speaker 1: your moon, your senate. It's it's really about the moment
23:42
Speaker 1: of your birth, you know. And so we're the moon
23:45
Speaker 1: is very big and the Venus Mars send in mid
23:48
Speaker 1: heaven complexes. Um that you might have meaning when I
23:52
Speaker 1: satured to Pluto. You're honest. These things are in relation
23:55
Speaker 1: to your personal planets, where they're within a tend degree
23:58
Speaker 1: or by square conjunction opposition. Um. You know. So we
24:03
Speaker 1: we have our own sort of way of looking at things,
24:05
Speaker 1: and that's what's great about Australa. There's all different kinds.
24:07
Speaker 1: People look at it in all different ways. This is
24:09
Speaker 1: the most sort of simplified you know version I found
24:14
Speaker 1: and um yeah, long linded way of explaining. So you
24:19
Speaker 1: know when someone if someone goes today and and goes
24:23
Speaker 1: and adds all the information, downloads the pattern, what is
24:26
Speaker 1: so important about the birth time? And how does that inform?
24:30
Speaker 1: I mean the way you know? And this is all
24:33
Speaker 1: great mystery, right, how does this all work? There's a
24:35
Speaker 1: lot of mystery to all of this. And I remember
24:37
Speaker 1: when I was creating it can be like looking for
24:40
Speaker 1: like well that's a whole digression. But anyway, Um, so
24:43
Speaker 1: the way it works, you put it, you put your information,
24:45
Speaker 1: and ideally you have a birth time. Not everybody does,
24:48
Speaker 1: but we can still tell you a lot of things
24:50
Speaker 1: about you even if you don't have the birth time.
24:52
Speaker 1: But we're really trying to dial it down to that
24:54
Speaker 1: moment in time. You are the creative expression of the
24:57
Speaker 1: universe in that single moment in time as above so
25:00
Speaker 1: below where were the planets and the sky at the
25:02
Speaker 1: time of your birth? You are that expression of that moment,
25:06
Speaker 1: and so we're trying to capture that. So you know,
25:08
Speaker 1: the moon was part of the sky and that's Aquarius.
25:11
Speaker 1: You know, we're going to talk to you about Aquarius
25:13
Speaker 1: and your version of Aquarius. We're gonna talk to you
25:15
Speaker 1: about and even more detailed version of Aquarius that you are.
25:19
Speaker 1: Where was the venus? Where was the ascendant? You know,
25:21
Speaker 1: and the moon changes every two and a half days,
25:23
Speaker 1: so it's much more specific than the sun the ascendant
25:25
Speaker 1: every two hours. That's where we get to the birth time.
25:28
Speaker 1: And um, oftentimes you're in a cusp of something, you're
25:32
Speaker 1: between two rising signs where that that moment is really important,
25:37
Speaker 1: like for us to know that exact moment um. But
25:40
Speaker 1: I don't want people who don't have a birth time.
25:42
Speaker 1: I think they can't use it. You most certainly can
25:44
Speaker 1: get a lot out of it. And from that, but yeah,
25:47
Speaker 1: and from there we say that this is sort of
25:50
Speaker 1: a blueprint, sort of the conscious way for your life, um,
25:54
Speaker 1: and that there's certain intentions. There's curriculum, as you say,
25:57
Speaker 1: the school you're in, you know, it's what you're learning
25:59
Speaker 1: about its lifetime and if you can sort of tune
26:02
Speaker 1: into that, it's I think it's just a more embodied life.
26:08
Speaker 1: You know, it's more enjoyable. I think again, like I
26:10
Speaker 1: said earlier, we're we're oftentimes comparing or living these quiet
26:13
Speaker 1: lives of desperation, trying to be something cultures as we
26:16
Speaker 1: should be. If you can get tuned in to actually
26:19
Speaker 1: what your path is about, it can be quite um liberating,
26:24
Speaker 1: you know, and that we're saying, Look, you're faded to
26:26
Speaker 1: deal with certain energies, you know, this aquarious moment. How
26:29
Speaker 1: you choose to deal with it is your choice, is
26:31
Speaker 1: your destiny, and that is free will, and that's the
26:35
Speaker 1: co creation that you're here, you know, creating this universe.
26:39
Speaker 1: And yeah, wow, my, when I read my chart, it
26:45
Speaker 1: it's so spot on, like so specifically spot on that
26:49
Speaker 1: I'm just like, oh wow, And I think, you know
26:52
Speaker 1: the pieces we speak to, the acceptance and how this
26:55
Speaker 1: is really such a beautiful tool for being an acceptance
26:58
Speaker 1: of yourself and just working with the what is um
27:02
Speaker 1: And whenever we fight the one is, guys, this is
27:05
Speaker 1: when um we really invited more suffering. And I'm a
27:09
Speaker 1: big believer that life comes with enough of it, so
27:12
Speaker 1: I don't add any extra sprinkles of suffering anywhere on myself, right, No,
27:19
Speaker 1: I really relate to that and I think that's there
27:21
Speaker 1: was a certain kind of there's my life before this
27:25
Speaker 1: time period and after. And I think you said it, well,
27:27
Speaker 1: you're suffering because you're portraying yourself all the time. And
27:31
Speaker 1: I was definitely a big self betrayer. It's like, you know,
27:35
Speaker 1: well I can do what you want. I can I
27:38
Speaker 1: can be whatever you mean to be. You know, so
27:40
Speaker 1: you you disconnect, you know, you get further and further
27:44
Speaker 1: away from your truth, your spirit. And the whole idea
27:47
Speaker 1: of this is to like come come back home a
27:49
Speaker 1: little bit, you know, like tune into that and like
27:52
Speaker 1: go of the idea of who you are. You know,
27:57
Speaker 1: You've had a really fascinating life. And I'm so curious
28:01
Speaker 1: because like when I look at my chart, it's the
28:04
Speaker 1: windy road and the time points that things happen, the
28:07
Speaker 1: season I'm in right now. I mean, my god, I'm
28:09
Speaker 1: just like, okay, so the Feds are in my house
28:12
Speaker 1: surveillancing me at every second, Like how is this so accurate?
28:16
Speaker 1: But you know, when I look at when I look
28:19
Speaker 1: at the greater story being told, as I read through
28:22
Speaker 1: some of the things that you've accomplished in some of
28:24
Speaker 1: the ways that you've taken up space in the world.
28:26
Speaker 1: It really fascinating. From being at the forefront of content
28:29
Speaker 1: and oh five to creating Maker Studios, generating like over
28:33
Speaker 1: five hundred million dollars in five years, selling to Disney,
28:37
Speaker 1: and then creating this, this epic masterpiece. That is the pattern.
28:42
Speaker 1: When you look at your chart, How has your chart
28:45
Speaker 1: informed this? You know what what does what does your
28:49
Speaker 1: chart say that can speak to all of this creation? Wow? Yeah?
28:55
Speaker 1: And you know you never do anything alone. So it's
28:57
Speaker 1: all so many wonderful people coming to my life. But
29:00
Speaker 1: a part of the journey. Yeah, I mean my chart,
29:03
Speaker 1: it's it's um that's what's so wonderful. When I had
29:05
Speaker 1: this reading, because I was like, that don't make sense,
29:07
Speaker 1: because it's almost like Carolyn Mace talked about this a
29:10
Speaker 1: lot that certain things animate in your life. Um like,
29:14
Speaker 1: let's say you could spend your maybe that I wanted
29:17
Speaker 1: to be a painter, and somehow it's just never animates,
29:20
Speaker 1: It never comes to life. But somehow this other thing
29:22
Speaker 1: you never wanted to do does. And I feel like,
29:26
Speaker 1: in a certain way, I've just let what's animating happen,
29:31
Speaker 1: if you will, Because I never thought I'd be involved
29:33
Speaker 1: in business, never in a million years. You know, it's
29:36
Speaker 1: just really oh my gosh, no so and I don't know,
29:39
Speaker 1: he keeps animate And I was like, okay, this is
29:41
Speaker 1: just the past. Just just accepted. Of course, I'm doing
29:44
Speaker 1: it in my own way that is not thinking, um,
29:48
Speaker 1: maybe the traditional way of business. It's sort of a
29:51
Speaker 1: non traditional way and um, but yeah, I've got Gemini,
29:55
Speaker 1: i got Virgo, I've got a lot of Neptune, and
29:57
Speaker 1: I've got a lot of satturny and saddurn was a
30:00
Speaker 1: big piece of the puzzle for me because that was
30:03
Speaker 1: a feeling of an adequacy and not being enough and
30:05
Speaker 1: needing to prove yourself. So I think there was a
30:07
Speaker 1: constant drive to prove myself to whether it's family or culture,
30:12
Speaker 1: whatever it is. But it sort of got me on
30:14
Speaker 1: a certain path. And um, that's what was started happening
30:18
Speaker 1: in my life when I found astrology, and um, it
30:22
Speaker 1: took me into the sort of self healing and self
30:24
Speaker 1: love during for many years. And that's what the pattern was,
30:27
Speaker 1: a sort of a catharsis of creating that, um and
30:30
Speaker 1: processing all that and processing that and I guess a
30:34
Speaker 1: creative way. A Gemini is very creative. It's some Leo,
30:37
Speaker 1: that's very creative. And um, I said, if I was
30:41
Speaker 1: a musician, I would have made an album or something.
30:43
Speaker 1: Instead I made the pattern. This is my creative expression.
30:47
Speaker 1: And I think, you know, Gemini is very independent and
30:50
Speaker 1: is not maybe as caught up. I don't know that.
30:52
Speaker 1: I was never caught up and maybe traditional benchmarks. So
30:55
Speaker 1: I think it allowed me to think really outside the box.
30:58
Speaker 1: It's not like, oh I better be married at that
31:01
Speaker 1: age or have they said that, like those things don't playing.
31:04
Speaker 1: I still think I'm twelve, I'm for you, and you know,
31:07
Speaker 1: it just doesn't occur to me that I'm aging. I'm
31:09
Speaker 1: like am I you know? So I I don't those
31:13
Speaker 1: things I think was from the Gemini, which is which
31:15
Speaker 1: is a gift. And and then the Saturn puts you
31:19
Speaker 1: to work because it says it doesn't like Gemini, and
31:21
Speaker 1: it's like you don't get to be for you better work,
31:23
Speaker 1: you better work hard. So I think, um, that combo yeah,
31:28
Speaker 1: and just I guess allowing it to unfold and and
31:31
Speaker 1: animate the way it has. Wow, I would love to
31:36
Speaker 1: see your chart. I'm a double Gemini Leo rising and
31:39
Speaker 1: so much just resonated with what yes, we have similar.
31:42
Speaker 1: We have similar short here and we're yeah, we're both
31:44
Speaker 1: Gemini movements, um and um. We have a past life
31:48
Speaker 1: chromic link. Oh to tell, well, we would know each
31:53
Speaker 1: other in the past. And the way we look at
31:55
Speaker 1: these things, you know, you can look at its literal
31:57
Speaker 1: or you can look at it's just a feeling. It's
31:59
Speaker 1: sort of Yeah. I always look at it as literal.
32:02
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, I do too. I get the whole story.
32:05
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, we did this, yeah, but but yeah,
32:11
Speaker 1: it's you have Gemini. Uh, your moon is Gemini or
32:15
Speaker 1: the cancer version of Gemini, and as do I. We
32:18
Speaker 1: both have a cancer mercury um early arising, the arizing,
32:22
Speaker 1: and you have your venus is and taurists um and um.
32:27
Speaker 1: I think your mars is in cancer. So yeah, we
32:29
Speaker 1: can get into your child. Tell me about my venus. Yes,
32:34
Speaker 1: did you know that your venus was in tours. I
32:37
Speaker 1: didn't know that, but I haven't. It's funny. I haven't
32:39
Speaker 1: really explored that too much. Um, but it's been on
32:44
Speaker 1: my mind lately. Yeah. Yeah, well you're so. The way
32:47
Speaker 1: we look at the moon, we look at it is
32:50
Speaker 1: your lineage, is that it's where you've come from. And
32:53
Speaker 1: so you've lived sort of many lifetimes, is that moon,
32:55
Speaker 1: and you're a Gemini moon. So we said, you're sort
32:58
Speaker 1: of coming into this life with the certain perspective and
33:01
Speaker 1: the way that you look at things, and it's in
33:02
Speaker 1: the Gemini way. The Gemini is that is the you know,
33:06
Speaker 1: the the youth, the it's it's very cerebral, very bright,
33:12
Speaker 1: it's very fun. It never wants to grow up, you know.
33:14
Speaker 1: It's the child is the child at play. It really
33:17
Speaker 1: is um. It's here to bring spirit. It's in service
33:20
Speaker 1: to spirit, but in a way of being sort of irreverent,
33:23
Speaker 1: being independent, thinking, sort of outside the box, turning ideas
33:27
Speaker 1: on their heads, so never taking anything too literally. It's
33:31
Speaker 1: like in throwing in some other new ideas, and it's
33:34
Speaker 1: it sort of lives outside the law in the sense
33:36
Speaker 1: that it's like rules don't apply, you know. It's it's
33:39
Speaker 1: it's it's thinking a little bit broader. It's a free electron.
33:42
Speaker 1: It's a real true free spirit, we'd say. And you're
33:46
Speaker 1: the cancer version. There's twelve versions of it, so you're
33:49
Speaker 1: you Also there's sort of this nurturing quality with how
33:53
Speaker 1: you use your Gemini, and you use it with the
33:55
Speaker 1: people you love. And you bring spirit to them in
33:58
Speaker 1: that way. It's very fun and its usually has a
34:00
Speaker 1: great sense of humor, and but it's very interesting because
34:04
Speaker 1: they don't know anything about emotions and deep feelings, right,
34:09
Speaker 1: So you're coming in not knowing anything about it. But
34:12
Speaker 1: your chart, your journey is going to have a lot
34:14
Speaker 1: of that. So all of that would be new, right,
34:17
Speaker 1: so it's all brand new. You're a beginner, It's like,
34:20
Speaker 1: what are these feelings? Because Gemini is not interested in that.
34:22
Speaker 1: It's like, give me the information. I just want the information.
34:24
Speaker 1: I want to logically process it and sort of move on.
34:28
Speaker 1: It's air, you know. But you're on a journey that's
34:30
Speaker 1: gonna have a lot of depths in richness to it,
34:32
Speaker 1: so it's it would all be very new, you know.
34:34
Speaker 1: It's sort of like, oh gosh, I don't I don't
34:36
Speaker 1: know about these feelings. Um, your your venus isn't tourists,
34:41
Speaker 1: which is the opposite of Gemini. They're next to each
34:44
Speaker 1: other and this already, so anything that's next to each
34:45
Speaker 1: other is usually gonna have a bit of a bit
34:47
Speaker 1: of not understanding each other. It says if there were
34:51
Speaker 1: two people, they literally wouldn't like each other. Gemini's fast
34:54
Speaker 1: fast gass to ours is super slow. It's grounded. It's
34:58
Speaker 1: earth the it's you're do something. It's all air up
35:01
Speaker 1: in the sky and you're trying to ground it right.
35:03
Speaker 1: And tourists is essential. It's about pleasure and it's about relaxing,
35:08
Speaker 1: and it's about enjoying the present moment and being embodied.
35:13
Speaker 1: And Gemina doesn't have a body. It's all air, you know,
35:15
Speaker 1: it's just flying around. So how do these two blend?
35:20
Speaker 1: You know, that's like to the alchemy of your life.
35:22
Speaker 1: It's part of the journey of blending these two things
35:25
Speaker 1: because they're wonderful together. Because of course it's wonderful to
35:29
Speaker 1: have all these things you want to fire you with
35:30
Speaker 1: the water and air, and you're quite balanced. Some charts
35:33
Speaker 1: you have to understand, don't have any water. So they
35:36
Speaker 1: might not know how to merge with another and really
35:40
Speaker 1: understand their experience. Your mercury is a cancer, which is
35:44
Speaker 1: you know, a water sign. It's it's empathetic, it's kind,
35:47
Speaker 1: it's sensitive, it's merging with the other. It's able to
35:50
Speaker 1: be really present um and understand another person's emotional experience. Um,
35:57
Speaker 1: you know, and then you'rely arising, which is a fire
36:00
Speaker 1: in the action and your journey being about um having
36:04
Speaker 1: the courage to make your life up anyway that you
36:07
Speaker 1: desire to love yourself so authentically that it inspires others
36:10
Speaker 1: to love themselves. It's extremely creative. It's ablabing the the
36:14
Speaker 1: queen of your life, you know, the king of your
36:16
Speaker 1: life and and doing it your own way. And you
36:21
Speaker 1: do have. You have a lot of neptune. It's quite
36:24
Speaker 1: a visionary, it's quite um empathetic and merging with everybody.
36:30
Speaker 1: It can make knowing who you are challenging at times,
36:33
Speaker 1: because sometimes it feels like you don't even have a self. Um.
36:38
Speaker 1: And then that tourists, there is a Pluto complex to it.
36:41
Speaker 1: So Pluto is the underworld that their experiences in your
36:44
Speaker 1: life that have been overwhelming or rational, unexplainable and take
36:48
Speaker 1: you beyond what you know, out of your comfort zone,
36:51
Speaker 1: out of your control and forces surrender. Yeah, the enforces
36:58
Speaker 1: deep surrender and especially around security comfort being able to
37:02
Speaker 1: be that tourists, if there's Pluto to it, how to
37:05
Speaker 1: feel truly comfortable in your body, to feel truly comfortable
37:08
Speaker 1: in the world. What it shows me is that you
37:10
Speaker 1: have incredible depth that's the gift. We say, there's a gift.
37:13
Speaker 1: They've done nothing wrong. There's no reason you you're having
37:17
Speaker 1: these experiences except to teach you about the spectrum of
37:20
Speaker 1: emotions in your own depth, you know, and as I
37:24
Speaker 1: tried to do this quickly, possibly good. And then there's
37:28
Speaker 1: a whole relationship aspect, which I imagine is challenging growing
37:33
Speaker 1: up because you have there's a wound to the masculine
37:35
Speaker 1: which is in cancer. So that's a big piece of
37:38
Speaker 1: the charm. I am looking for the other to nurture you,
37:42
Speaker 1: to be the mother to you, to care for you,
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Speaker 1: but there'd be really overwhelming experiences where that would seem
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Speaker 1: like it was just sort of robbed from you a
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Speaker 1: rational experiences. Again, it's a Pluto. Your mars was hidden
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Speaker 1: behind the sun when you were born, so it's the
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Speaker 1: under and so there'd be an experience of wanting the
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Speaker 1: other to love and nurture you and not have not
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Speaker 1: being able to experience that, and you having to be
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Speaker 1: the want to learn to unconditionally love you. And then
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Speaker 1: you can have any relationship you want because you're not
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Speaker 1: magneting somebody who's not going to really give to you,
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Speaker 1: and tourists is about receiving. So it's it's part of
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Speaker 1: your journey to having learned to truly and receive all
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Speaker 1: the love and nourishments that you deserve. Oh my god,
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Speaker 1: that is so gorgeous, and I would love to for
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Speaker 1: all listening right now, frame it and show you the
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Speaker 1: pattern of the work using my chart. It's you know,
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Speaker 1: as Leasa was expressing even the piece about like being
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Speaker 1: born in a darker period for my child period, something
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Speaker 1: I've shared on this show is like recognizing and really
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Speaker 1: devoting the last several years of my life to just
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Speaker 1: the deepest level of inner child work possible. And when
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Speaker 1: I was When I spend time with my chart and
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Speaker 1: I can kind of zoom out and see that pattern,
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Speaker 1: it becomes less of Oh my god, when I was
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Speaker 1: a kid, this is how I felt. This is what happened,
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Speaker 1: and what's wrong with me and it and it's because
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Speaker 1: I'm not deserving or not this And you're able to see, oh,
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Speaker 1: this was my curriculum because I was meant to experience
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Speaker 1: that end of the spectrum of human emotion and coming
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Speaker 1: into the reversal of that by bringing it forward into
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Speaker 1: light and love. And so you know, I think when
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Speaker 1: I was first kind of seeing that in my chart,
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Speaker 1: it gave me so much freedom because I'm like, oh,
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Speaker 1: it all makes sense, and it all always was. It
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Speaker 1: was always supposed to be exactly what was. And now
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Speaker 1: that I've taken that as less of a personal judgment
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Speaker 1: of self or an anger about the experience, it's like, oh,
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Speaker 1: the surrender, and so what's the gift in it? What
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Speaker 1: was I meant to become with that? Why was that
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Speaker 1: my curriculum? And how can it inform the highest life
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Speaker 1: possible for myself? Um? Wow, you s forge about the
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Speaker 1: so well. I mean, it's just beautiful how you explain it?
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Speaker 1: Because that is That's it, and that happened for you
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Speaker 1: because you're supposed to learn to love yourself so powerfully,
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Speaker 1: you know, And how do you get there without the steps?
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Speaker 1: How do you get there in this really rich, inspiring
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Speaker 1: way because you are the Leo Rising and you are
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Speaker 1: I mean, you're so you're you're just you're you're beautiful. Okay,
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Speaker 1: let's hold that thought right here. This has been part
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Speaker 1: one of the Dropping Gems podcast featuring Lisa Donovan, the
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Speaker 1: creator of the pattern. We are talking birth charts. We
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Speaker 1: are talking astrology and we will be continuing this gorgeous
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Speaker 1: expanse of conversation with a special little detail on who
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Speaker 1: I ran a bond with recently that blew my mind
40:48
Speaker 1: coming up in part two of this episode. So if
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