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Gordon Chang | 05-18-26 · Sid & Friends In The Morning

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  Speaker 1: Gordon Chang Gordon g Chang on Twitter, Gordo, I only
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  Speaker 1: wanted to talk to you last week. You was so
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  Speaker 1: busy President Trump's trip to China home run for America.
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  Speaker 1: Well you wanted to see more.
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  Speaker 2: Well, right now, we just don't know, sid because you know,
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  Speaker 2: normally Sino US summits are all planned in advance, everything's
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  Speaker 2: decided before the foreign leader his wheels up. This one,
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  Speaker 2: President Trump gets a lot of credit for going toe
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  Speaker 2: to toe with Sijin Ping on enemy soil. I know
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  Speaker 2: that a lot of people have scored it in favor
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  Speaker 2: of China, and I can see why they say that,
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  Speaker 2: but I think those assessments are premature. You know. So,
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  Speaker 2: for instance, we saw siegen Ping say some very very
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  Speaker 2: arrogant things mentioning new Era through Citity's trap. President Trump
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  Speaker 2: showed restraint, and I think that restraint was the better
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  Speaker 2: response for him. And eventually Trump's going to get back
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  Speaker 2: at Sigemping for trying to humiliate not only President Trump
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  Speaker 2: but the United States because this will not go unanswered.
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  Speaker 2: So people see this and they say that Trump didn't respond,
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  Speaker 2: and so therefore they think Stig Thing's in control. But no,
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  Speaker 2: that's not the case at all.
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  Speaker 1: It's interesting because the last time Obama went to China
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  Speaker 1: because Biden didn't go, he had Ching, I had G
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  Speaker 1: here in San Francisco. Obama arrived in China like nobody
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  Speaker 1: was there, nobody cared. Trump showed up. They had the
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  Speaker 1: red carpet, they had state banquets. Say, you know, they
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  Speaker 1: treated Trump like the man that he is the greatest
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  Speaker 1: leader in the world today. So right off the bat,
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  Speaker 1: they treated Trump with a lot of respect. But there
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  Speaker 1: were some times, like you said, Taiwan, for example, China
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  Speaker 1: got very, very tough with Taiwan. But President Trump didn't
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  Speaker 1: back down there either. In fact, he even said, if
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  Speaker 1: I have to, I'll supply the Taiwanese with weapons. So
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  Speaker 1: and even with Iran, you know where G promised some
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  Speaker 1: things that he's never going to do. I'm not exactly
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  Speaker 1: sure where people saw g have an advantage. He remained
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  Speaker 1: top on a couple of items. She I'll give him
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  Speaker 1: credit for that, But in none of those situations the
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  Speaker 1: President Trump back down, not that I can remember.
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  Speaker 2: That's right. Trump did not back down. He did not
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  Speaker 2: make concessions, and he played the quiet role here, and
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  Speaker 2: I think that that showed self confidence. You know, I
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  Speaker 2: think Sigean Ping really tried to go out to give
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  Speaker 2: Trump a hard time, and he did that in a
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  Speaker 2: number of different ways, not only with those statements on Thursday,
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  Speaker 2: but on the second day. You know, those two chairs
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  Speaker 2: at jung Nan High, Si Jianping's was higher and Trump's
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  Speaker 2: was lower. Ye, So you know, just Sjin Ping was
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  Speaker 2: playing silly games, and that's really the sign of an
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  Speaker 2: insecure leader. And China has a lot of reasons to
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  Speaker 2: be insecure, largely because their country's falling apart beneath Sejen Ping.
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  Speaker 2: We're seeing some very in the last couple hours, we
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  Speaker 2: saw some very distressing numbers out of their economy that
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  Speaker 2: continues along trend. We know that Chinese people are either
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  Speaker 2: angry or resigned to what's going up. And also here's
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  Speaker 2: this demography that China is going through the biggest demographic
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  Speaker 2: collapse in history. Trump knows all that and decides not
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  Speaker 2: to press the advantage, at least on the outside. But
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  Speaker 2: Trump does get he did get a lot of concessions
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  Speaker 2: from China, and people aren't properly scoring it for that reason.
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  Speaker 2: As I said, we won't know for quite some time
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  Speaker 2: how this ball really came out. But I think that
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  Speaker 2: when it does, it'll show that Trump got the upper hand.
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  Speaker 1: I think I think so too. Of course, I'm biased
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  Speaker 1: with Trump, so you can't trust the word that I
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  Speaker 1: But I gotta tell you this, Gee, you can't trust him.
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  Speaker 1: It's a joke when I say, people will tell me
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  Speaker 1: on the show. You know, Gee said this. What do
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  Speaker 1: I care what he said? You can't trust him. On
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  Speaker 1: one hand, at the state banquet, he'll say all these
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  Speaker 1: nice things about Trump and then hold warn Trump don't
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  Speaker 1: mess with Taiwan. Then I'll tell Trump I will help you,
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  Speaker 1: will help you with Iran. And then ten minutes later
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  Speaker 1: he'll send a whole bunch of weapons to the casbn C.
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  Speaker 1: It's like Putin, same exact thing. Putin's on the phone
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  Speaker 1: with Trump. Trump says, Lad, I love you. I love
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  Speaker 1: you too. Can you stop bombing Ukraine? Please? Sure? Ten
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  Speaker 1: minutes later, Putin drops a bomb. All these guys, whether
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  Speaker 1: it's g in China or Putin in Russia or Rocketman
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  Speaker 1: in North Korea, you can't trust any of them. It
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  Speaker 1: doesn't matter what they say to Trump, what they say
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  Speaker 1: to the media. They are still our adversaries. And in
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  Speaker 1: the end, they what about their own asses, not ours.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, and I would say there are enemies in the
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  Speaker 2: case of sesimping, because that's what his regime calls us.
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  Speaker 2: So I think that we do need to return the favor.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, Sejianping doesn't adhere to his promises. You know,
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  Speaker 2: in April, in the middle of April, Sijianping told President
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  Speaker 2: Trump that they wouldn't be sending weapons to Iran, that
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  Speaker 2: they haven't sent weapons to Iran. And now you know,
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  Speaker 2: we hear the same promise at the summit. But as
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  Speaker 2: you point out in the interim, China was sending weapons
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  Speaker 2: to Iran. They were doing that through various routes, including
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  Speaker 2: sen their military transports, turning off their transponders, and landing
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  Speaker 2: dark in Iran. Well, military transports usually carry military equipment.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, there's a problem there and Trump knows that,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm sure that Trump is one way or another
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  Speaker 2: going to deal with it. But on the other hand,
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  Speaker 2: as our president said before he left for Beijing, I
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  Speaker 2: don't need China's help on Iran, And that's true. Chinese
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  Speaker 2: have been basically bystanders, except for some sly maneuvers of
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  Speaker 2: sending weapons. But probably they have not had a major
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  Speaker 2: difference those weapons.
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  Speaker 1: Listen, Trump's a real smart guy. He was on with
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  Speaker 1: me for forty five minutes last Tuesday. He mentioned China
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  Speaker 1: the trip, it's going to be great. It's going to
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  Speaker 1: be great, and Iran, It's all great. I don't think
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  Speaker 1: he went there with any real expectations. Gordon, you're smarter
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  Speaker 1: than me with this, Gordon Chang, with any real expectations
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  Speaker 1: that China was going to help us in the war.
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  Speaker 1: That's why he said, we don't need him. Of course
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  Speaker 1: he knew they weren't going to help us. I think
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  Speaker 1: this trip was based on a nice photo op between
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  Speaker 1: the two countries, and more importantly business right. He took
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  Speaker 1: twenty CEOs. I heard day one they won the video,
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  Speaker 1: already did ten different deals supplying chips to Chinese businesses,
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  Speaker 1: and he had the boweing guy there, and he had
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  Speaker 1: Elon Musk there. And I don't know how many of
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  Speaker 1: those guys actually got deals done, but at the very
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  Speaker 1: least some of those guys are less high profile guys
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  Speaker 1: like Wang for example. From the video. They had a
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  Speaker 1: chance to meet some of these Chinese business Chinese businessmen,
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  Speaker 1: which I think will go a long way in the future.
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  Speaker 1: So for me, For me, this deal was always about
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  Speaker 1: American business in China and to a certain extent, Chinese
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  Speaker 1: business in America. And on that front, I think Trump
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  Speaker 1: did well.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we sold two hundred planes. Now those
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  Speaker 2: sales have got to be documented. But I do believe
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  Speaker 2: the Chinese will adhere to that promise. I'm not crazy
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  Speaker 2: about more Chinese investment in the US because those factories
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  Speaker 2: are basis of version, and we're already being overwhelmed by
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  Speaker 2: the Chinese in our country.
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  Speaker 1: Why can we stop that? But why can we stop that?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, we know this already. Just about everything they
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  Speaker 1: buy here and do here comes with a camera, It
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  Speaker 1: comes with the real possibility that there's spying on us.
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  Speaker 1: Why don't we just stop that.
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  Speaker 2: I think that we absolutely should because we know that
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  Speaker 2: it's going on. You know, take the issue of Chinese
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  Speaker 2: students spying. Now, we also know that the Chinese counsular officials,
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  Speaker 2: ad Ministry of State security agents monitor coerce and surveil
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  Speaker 2: Chinese students. If we get those diplomats out of the scene,
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  Speaker 2: if we get those agents out of our country, then
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  Speaker 2: you know, we've got a decent chance of having a
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  Speaker 2: good relationship with Chinese students. But you know this is
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  Speaker 2: now on us, and it's been on us for quite
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  Speaker 2: some time because we've known about this for a very
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  Speaker 2: long time. Sid. So yes, it is our responsibility now
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  Speaker 2: because by the way, it's our country right right, jacked
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  Speaker 2: right two more?
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  Speaker 1: Now you got something to do A nine o'clock, I.
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  Speaker 2: Let you run.
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  Speaker 1: Iran is also crazy. I mean, you know that they're
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  Speaker 1: blowing up other Arab countries, countries that were on Iran's
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  Speaker 1: side before epic fury, and now they're not because Iran
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  Speaker 1: just dropping bombs everywhere. And what they take out now
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  Speaker 1: two Chinese vessels? Do they not understand? No matter what
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  Speaker 1: she set the Trump last week, it's all nonsense. The
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  Speaker 1: Chinese still favor Iran over America and she will still
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  Speaker 1: help them. So if you're Iran, why would you start
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  Speaker 1: blowing up Chinese vessels when they're about your last hope?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that to me doesn't make sense. The only way
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  Speaker 2: I can make sense of this is that China put
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  Speaker 2: Iran up to it so that Cajon Pain could look
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  Speaker 2: like an honest broker. But that's just a wild speculation.
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  Speaker 2: That's the only thing that makes sense to me right now, because,
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  Speaker 2: as you point out, Iran hitting Chinese ships is completely insane.
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  Speaker 1: Unless they're just, you know, so whacked out and paranoid,
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  Speaker 1: they're just shot. I don't know, they're just shooting all
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  Speaker 1: over the place. And you know, I expect that this
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  Speaker 1: thing's going to start up again on Wednesday or Thursday,
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  Speaker 1: and that's going to put the people that I care
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  Speaker 1: about there as well. He's in serious danger because, as
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  Speaker 1: you know, Yban's not gonna hit Staten Island. They're not
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  Speaker 1: going to hit Cincinnati. They're gonna hit Tel Aviv again.
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  Speaker 1: My daughter's supposed to go June first. I'm supposed to
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  Speaker 1: go for a week and a half June eighteenth. Not
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  Speaker 1: that I'm worried about us necessarily, but you know, once
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  Speaker 1: Trump hits them on Wednesday or Thursday, the next city
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  Speaker 1: to get hit is going to be in Israel.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, it will, you know. And there's some things that
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  Speaker 2: Trump can do which will just require a minimal use
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  Speaker 2: of force, but which will be extremely effective. One of
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  Speaker 2: them is to declare a no fly zone over Iran
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  Speaker 2: that involves no force, and the other is to just
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  Speaker 2: sever those rail links that Ron is using to send
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  Speaker 2: oil to China. It's a pretty inefficient way of doing that,
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  Speaker 2: but at least they're getting a little bit of money.
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  Speaker 2: So we should cut off all of Iron's links with
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  Speaker 2: the outside, and that's a pretty minor operation. Now. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know what prison Trump's gonna do. I mean, he
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  Speaker 2: could take out a lot of infrastructure. We'll just have
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  Speaker 2: to wait and see. But you know, you're absolutely right.
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  Speaker 2: This is coming down the road. And by the way,
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  Speaker 2: China is a bystander.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, at the very least. There may be more than that.
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  Speaker 1: I think they're on the other team, all right, So we're.
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  Speaker 2: On the other team, but they can't do very much
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  Speaker 2: because we've got the power and the Chinese. They're being
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  Speaker 2: chased out of the Middle East. Yeah, they're being chased
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  Speaker 2: out of the Western hemisphere, and you got to thank
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  Speaker 2: Trump for that.
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  Speaker 1: You're right. So in the final sixty seconds, Gordon Chang
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  Speaker 1: fool him at Gordon g Chang, I love you. I
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  Speaker 1: know Trump still love you too. I know you guys
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  Speaker 1: back at what but he loves you. Give me what
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  Speaker 1: you what you want to see? You said, We're not
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  Speaker 1: going to know for a while here. What has to
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  Speaker 1: happen when we do find out. What do you want
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  Speaker 1: to hear that says that this was absolutely a successful
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  Speaker 1: trip for Trump.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, A couple of things. One of them is I'd
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  Speaker 2: like to see Astor Ezra Jin Freed. Trump said that
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  Speaker 2: that probably would happen. I'd like to see Jimmy Lai Freed.
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  Speaker 2: Trump said that's probably not going to happen. And the
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  Speaker 2: other thing is, I'd like to see the administration go
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  Speaker 2: ahead with that fourteen billion dollar arm sale to Taiwan.
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  Speaker 2: The Chinese right now are not in no position to
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  Speaker 2: invade Taiwan. It's the perfect time to sell arms. That
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  Speaker 2: enhances the terrence and it also encourages our friends. And
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  Speaker 2: I think that Trump administration will indeed authorize that sale.
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  Speaker 2: So out of those three things, probably two of them
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  Speaker 2: will occur.
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  Speaker 1: And if they do, we went right well.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think what is right now because we
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  Speaker 2: haven't really made any concessions, I think we're probably a
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  Speaker 2: little bit above water. We'll see, but I think that
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  Speaker 2: this is going to be scored a Trump victory. And
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  Speaker 2: by the way, I think historians for decades are going
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  Speaker 2: to look at this summit as just pivotal.
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  Speaker 1: I agree with you, Gordon. Your terrific. You really are great.
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  Speaker 1: You know that I think you're great. Thank you for
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  Speaker 1: hopping on today. I was looking forward to this conversation.
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  Speaker 1: As always, you did not disappoint. Then we'll do it
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  Speaker 1: again very soon. Gordon Chang, thank you so much.
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  Speaker 2: Well, thank you Sid and I really appreciate it.