Latest / UK Column Radio / UK Column News - 3rd December 2025

Transcript

UK Column News - 3rd December 2025 · UK Column Radio

0:08
Speaker 1: Good afternoon. It's Wednesday, third of December, just after one o'clock.
0:11
Speaker 1: Welcome to UK coll Him News. I'm your host Mike
0:13
Speaker 1: Gruminson joining me in the studio today. Charles Mallett, Welcome
0:16
Speaker 1: to the program. Charles and Vanessa Billy joins us by
0:19
Speaker 1: live video link. Later in the program, Tim Norman will
0:22
Speaker 1: be joining us to discuss the Don Sturgis in quiry report.
0:26
Speaker 1: Charles will be reporting on the removal of jury trials
0:28
Speaker 1: in the UK and also water pollution from data centers.
0:31
Speaker 1: And Fanessa is going to be reporting on the wall
0:34
Speaker 1: being built around Syria and all of Moore, on this
0:36
Speaker 1: sin sane drive for war by NATO the UK and
0:39
Speaker 1: that you. But we're going to begin today with the
0:41
Speaker 1: case of Natalie Streker. Now, this is peace activist Natalie Streker,
0:46
Speaker 1: who was yesterday facing up to ten years in prison
0:49
Speaker 1: under the Terrorism Act. She was charged for listening support
0:53
Speaker 1: for HAMAS and has bla based on it tweets. Apparently
0:56
Speaker 1: this is, according to Craig Murray, cherry picked by police
1:00
Speaker 1: and prosecutors from understanding twenty one sorry fifty one thousand
1:03
Speaker 1: tweets that she'd sent, mainly from the Jersey Palestine Solidarity
1:08
Speaker 1: Committee account. At one pm yesterday, David Miller posted on
1:12
Speaker 1: x that Natalie Striker had been acquitted. And I'm very
1:15
Speaker 1: pleased to say that David is with us and I
1:18
Speaker 1: had to discuss this. So, David, what are your thoughts
1:21
Speaker 1: on the charges in the first kit place and on
1:24
Speaker 1: what happened in court yesterday?
1:28
Speaker 2: Well, the charges were manifestly ridiculous from the work go.
1:32
Speaker 2: I mean, what had happened originally was that she was
1:36
Speaker 2: accused of seeing something in private message groups which was
1:44
Speaker 2: to do with supporting a prescribed organization, as well as
1:48
Speaker 2: the charges about the public tweets. And it turned out,
1:52
Speaker 2: according to evidence heard in court, that there was a
1:55
Speaker 2: bug in meeting, a problem in the police software for
2:01
Speaker 2: reading this message app which they had got from her
2:05
Speaker 2: phone where they seized her phone, and that it had
2:08
Speaker 2: miss identified her as being the author of particular messages.
2:13
Speaker 2: And eventually and she said, I didn't send those messages
2:15
Speaker 2: and that and my personally was aware that she hadn't
2:18
Speaker 2: sent the messages as well, and I was in touch
2:21
Speaker 2: with her about it at the time end with her lawyers,
2:23
Speaker 2: and the police eventually recognized that she hadn't sent the messages,
2:28
Speaker 2: so they had to withdraw those charges and they were
2:31
Speaker 2: left with some charges about her posts on X which
2:37
Speaker 2: you know, were nothing to do with supporting prescribed organizations
2:41
Speaker 2: specifically her mass and Hespola was so mentioned, of course,
2:46
Speaker 2: of Palestinians let which you had, or the PFLPGC two
2:50
Speaker 2: of the other Pererstonian organizations which were prescribed. And so
2:54
Speaker 2: it was left to the judge or possibly more than
2:58
Speaker 2: one judge, to decide whether she was guilty or not.
3:01
Speaker 2: And the judge has decided that she wasn't guilty because
3:04
Speaker 2: she was clearly talking about supporting the Palestinians. There was
3:06
Speaker 2: an attempt in court to try and suggest that supporting
3:12
Speaker 2: Palestinians to resist the genocide was tantamount to say that
3:17
Speaker 2: she supported Tomasson, which of course is transparently ridiculous. As
3:21
Speaker 2: everyone knows, it's written into international law that the Palestinians specifically,
3:26
Speaker 2: and indeed all people under occupation have the right to
3:29
Speaker 2: resist by all available means, including specifically using these words
3:34
Speaker 2: armed struggle. But she hadn't even gone anywhere near that.
3:38
Speaker 2: She's not even she's a pacifist, you know, she's not
3:42
Speaker 2: even someone who would support in the abstract the international
3:46
Speaker 2: rights under international law. So the whole thing was a farrago,
3:50
Speaker 2: an attempt to criminalize people by illegitimate means through existing
3:57
Speaker 2: laws which are already or well in it's in the
4:00
Speaker 2: ten which has failed, and I'm very glad to see
4:02
Speaker 2: that it has failed, and I anticipate that there will
4:05
Speaker 2: be many more of these cases coming up and failing
4:11
Speaker 2: in the near future, including probably I would think Sarah
4:14
Speaker 2: Wilkinson's case. And also, of course there was a case
4:17
Speaker 2: of Richard Barnard, the co founder of Powerstine Action before
4:21
Speaker 2: it was prescribed, who had talked about making Alexa flood
4:27
Speaker 2: into a tsunami, and the courts are trying to suggest
4:30
Speaker 2: that that is a specific support for Hamas, which again
4:33
Speaker 2: is ridiculous. So I'm looking forward to these cases one
4:37
Speaker 2: by one being knocked out of court, as we've seen
4:40
Speaker 2: with a number of cases involving antizionists in the last
4:45
Speaker 2: few weeks to months.
4:47
Speaker 1: So does this said any kind of precedent do you
4:50
Speaker 1: think are the Brits? Are the English courts going to
4:53
Speaker 1: take this as a stare? But I mean the other
4:57
Speaker 1: point to make here is that this is a complete
5:00
Speaker 1: waste of taxpayers money in many ways, and but it's
5:04
Speaker 1: clearly designed to be intimidatory and have a chilling effect
5:07
Speaker 1: on speech.
5:09
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's not going to be formally a precedent,
5:12
Speaker 2: but I mean the the cps in England and Wales
5:17
Speaker 2: will you know, will begin to realize that they can't
5:20
Speaker 2: get these kind of cases to closure in the current circumstances,
5:26
Speaker 2: even when they've got judges. Only when there's no jury involved.
5:30
Speaker 2: Then there are these cases are going to get thrown
5:32
Speaker 2: out and they're going to they're going to have to
5:33
Speaker 2: recognize that they're not going to get these cases to
5:36
Speaker 2: the finishing line and they will have to abandon them,
5:38
Speaker 2: many of them. So I think that's it will in
5:42
Speaker 2: fact act as a precedent because they will realize that
5:46
Speaker 2: there's no way to get these cases. And the legislation
5:49
Speaker 2: is is very specifically written and if you if you
5:52
Speaker 2: look back at the legislation, it's on the government's website
5:55
Speaker 2: and you can see very healthfully that they they include
5:57
Speaker 2: all the separate revisions to the legislation which they have
6:01
Speaker 2: made over the years to the Terrorist Act, and those
6:04
Speaker 2: revisions have been made to try and entrap people who
6:08
Speaker 2: are clearly not supporting organizations who exist in a different
6:12
Speaker 2: country in West Asia, but who are talking about the
6:15
Speaker 2: right to resist or talking about the need to resist oppression.
6:20
Speaker 2: And the government has tried to alter the laws so
6:23
Speaker 2: that those kinds of statements can be caught as if
6:26
Speaker 2: they are saying, oh, I think we should go out
6:29
Speaker 2: now and get weapons and fight for her mass, which
6:32
Speaker 2: of course nobody has been saying is completely ridiculous. So
6:36
Speaker 2: the legislation is already overweening and or welly, but it
6:39
Speaker 2: can't be bashed out of such shape that they can
6:43
Speaker 2: convict people for opposing genocide.
6:47
Speaker 1: And do you think this will have any implications for
6:50
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court case on the prescription of pastin action.
6:57
Speaker 2: Well, it's hard to know. I mean, they the extent
7:02
Speaker 2: to which the judges in that case. And let's remember
7:05
Speaker 2: these are three judges who have been drafted in the
7:08
Speaker 2: last minute to replace a seemingly more liberal judge. All
7:12
Speaker 2: three of them apparently have significant complex of interest. One
7:15
Speaker 2: of them has even said that his favorite clients are
7:18
Speaker 2: security and intelligence agencies, which is a some it's fairly
7:22
Speaker 2: something to have on your CV that kind of quote.
7:24
Speaker 2: So I think that the extent to which they will
7:27
Speaker 2: be paying attention to the public mood is largely minimal.
7:32
Speaker 2: But the people at the center of all this, I
7:36
Speaker 2: mean the politicians, Starmar, the Home Secretary, and indeed of
7:41
Speaker 2: course the intelligence agencies. They will be looking at this
7:43
Speaker 2: closely and they will there will be a point where
7:46
Speaker 2: they will realize that they can't pursue this line of
7:49
Speaker 2: attack anymore.
7:51
Speaker 1: Yeah, so obviously not Lee Striker has found herself on
7:56
Speaker 1: the wrong end of this. She's seen a court case
8:00
Speaker 1: in Jersey. Many others have been on the wrong end
8:03
Speaker 1: of this type of legislation. Just very briefly, David, where
8:06
Speaker 1: does this leave the kind of intimidation that we've seen
8:09
Speaker 1: from the state for the future.
8:14
Speaker 2: Well, I think that someone like Natalie, and also someone
8:17
Speaker 2: like Sarah Wilkinson, who faces their case in a few
8:20
Speaker 2: months time, they have been really very very badly treated
8:25
Speaker 2: by the state, and if it was possible for them
8:28
Speaker 2: to have sucre of legal address, then that they should
8:30
Speaker 2: try and pursue that if they can face it. But
8:34
Speaker 2: the fact that Natalie has got off as an indication
8:37
Speaker 2: that we can be much freer than perhaps many of
8:41
Speaker 2: us have felt in saying what we think about the genocide.
8:45
Speaker 2: You know, you can't say under the law I support
8:49
Speaker 2: her mass, but you can say, look, the people with
8:51
Speaker 2: Pelasine have the right to resist under international law. It's
8:54
Speaker 2: perfectly legitiate and legal to say that, and that I
8:56
Speaker 2: think people will begin to get some confidence in the
9:02
Speaker 2: kind of things they can see as a result of
9:04
Speaker 2: these decisions.
9:06
Speaker 1: David, thank you very much for joining us today. That's
9:09
Speaker 1: been really helpful, and we will keep covering this topic
9:15
Speaker 1: in the coming days and weeks because this actually affects everybody,
9:18
Speaker 1: no matter what their views on various situations. So thank
9:21
Speaker 1: you for joining us, David. But David Charles mentioned juries
9:26
Speaker 1: there do we have them anymore?
9:28
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, this is it. The devil will be found
9:32
Speaker 3: in the detail. We're going to go back a bit
9:33
Speaker 3: and actually address exactly what David's finished up with, which
9:36
Speaker 3: is this idea of having any confidence in the justice
9:39
Speaker 3: system now. In twenty twenty, David Lammy, then an opposition MP,
9:44
Speaker 3: tweeted that jury trials are a fundamental part of our
9:46
Speaker 3: democratic settlement, and he reinforced the point by saying criminal
9:50
Speaker 3: trials without juries are a bad idea. In yesterday, the
9:56
Speaker 3: government put out a press release saying that the debt
10:00
Speaker 3: Prime Minister of the office that David Lammy now holds
10:02
Speaker 3: as well as being Secretary of State for Justice announced
10:05
Speaker 3: the reforms in Parliament today and this is to deal
10:08
Speaker 3: with the headline of the press release, which is swift
10:11
Speaker 3: and fair plan to get justice for victims. They say
10:15
Speaker 3: that the reforms were announced in Parliament, bringing the system
10:19
Speaker 3: back from the brink of total collapse and regaining the
10:22
Speaker 3: trust of both victims and the public. Now they set
10:26
Speaker 3: out several methods by which they're expecting to achieve this,
10:30
Speaker 3: or at least telling us that this is how they're
10:31
Speaker 3: going to achieve it. One method, which indeed has been
10:35
Speaker 3: touched upon mentioned before, is this idea of swift courts,
10:38
Speaker 3: which will see cases with a likely sentence of three
10:41
Speaker 3: years or less heard by a judge alone, estimated to
10:44
Speaker 3: take twenty percent less time than a jury trial. That
10:47
Speaker 3: was one of the sort of subheadlines. It then went
10:50
Speaker 3: on to say, guaranteed jury trials for the most serious
10:53
Speaker 3: and almost all indictable offenses, including great murder, aggravated burglary, blackmail,
10:58
Speaker 3: people trafficking, grievous pot harm, and the most serious drug offenses.
11:03
Speaker 3: So in effect selling the negative as a positive in
11:07
Speaker 3: that they're guaranteeing juries for those offenses pertaining to those trials.
11:14
Speaker 3: They then go on to say they're going to give
11:15
Speaker 3: magistrates the power to hand down sentences of up to
11:19
Speaker 3: eighteen months, so more cases can be heard by magistrates,
11:23
Speaker 3: bring up the Crown court time for the most serious offenses,
11:27
Speaker 3: and this could go up to two years if needed.
11:29
Speaker 3: It's worth noting, I think on that point immediately that
11:32
Speaker 3: there has been quite a bit of flip flopping on
11:34
Speaker 3: exactly what magistrates should or should not be able to do.
11:37
Speaker 3: And I think a further reminder that magistrates, of course,
11:40
Speaker 3: in order to hold that role do not need to
11:42
Speaker 3: have any background in law, and they only receive ten
11:45
Speaker 3: days of training across two years in order to be
11:48
Speaker 3: able to prosecute that job and therefore have the potential
11:52
Speaker 3: now to hand out sentences of up to two years. Now,
11:55
Speaker 3: all of this comes from the relatively recently published Levison
12:02
Speaker 3: Independent Review of the Criminal Courts, which we've reported on
12:06
Speaker 3: quite a bit on UK Coluin Brian indeed doing so
12:09
Speaker 3: on Monday. Now. A key part of this document which
12:14
Speaker 3: really does relate to what Lammy was talking about in
12:16
Speaker 3: the House of Commons yesterday is in the text of
12:20
Speaker 3: this document, which is where Levison himself reflects and says,
12:24
Speaker 3: I consider that long term reforms to the setup of
12:27
Speaker 3: the criminal courts, which on the whole would require primary
12:31
Speaker 3: legislation to implement. So to Mike's question at the start
12:35
Speaker 3: of this report, are we or aren't we having juries
12:39
Speaker 3: done away with?
12:40
Speaker 4: Now?
12:40
Speaker 3: It's very much being presented as a FATA complee. But
12:44
Speaker 3: as Levison suggests, there is a need for legislation. And indeed,
12:49
Speaker 3: when David Lamy address the House of Commons yesterday, he
12:51
Speaker 3: concluded his opening speech with this statement, which was finally,
12:56
Speaker 3: we must also be honest that this is a problem
12:59
Speaker 3: that has taken years to build up, so it will
13:01
Speaker 3: take years to fix. The changes I'm proposing will require
13:05
Speaker 3: legislation which will take time to implement. So at the
13:09
Speaker 3: same time as saying that he's going to be saving
13:12
Speaker 3: all this time by doing away with juris and this,
13:14
Speaker 3: that and the other, he's also putting in an enormous
13:16
Speaker 3: caveat should he fail or indeed the government fail. Now
13:20
Speaker 3: he and they the government ran into inconsistencies almost immediately,
13:24
Speaker 3: and I just thought I'd bring out a short clip
13:26
Speaker 3: from Lincoln job MP, who previously served with the Scott's
13:29
Speaker 3: Guards and highlighting where one of the many areas where
13:34
Speaker 3: this is going to run into some sort of trouble.
13:38
Speaker 5: Can I thank the Minister for coming here today to
13:40
Speaker 5: answer the surgent question. I've taken note of what she's said,
13:44
Speaker 5: and if I may quote it back to her, swift,
13:47
Speaker 5: a swift and prompt trial as a fundamental principle of fairness,
13:51
Speaker 5: three to four years delay is deeply demoralizing, and justice
13:56
Speaker 5: delayed is justice denied. So can I ask how she
14:00
Speaker 5: squares that position with her support of the Northern Ireland
14:03
Speaker 5: Troubles Bill.
14:09
Speaker 6: Well, he's right to quote those things back at me.
14:13
Speaker 6: Those are the headlines of the arguments that I'm making
14:15
Speaker 6: this morning in relation to this UQ, in relation to
14:20
Speaker 6: the backlogs in our England and Wales criminal courts, in
14:25
Speaker 6: relation to my support for that bill. It is a
14:29
Speaker 6: fair piece of legislation and one which I stand by.
14:34
Speaker 3: So job there just exposing some of the things that
14:37
Speaker 3: don't make sense. Now on the same list of things
14:39
Speaker 3: that don't quite make sense, and indeed, considering the question
14:42
Speaker 3: of why is the system so broken We're just going
14:44
Speaker 3: to look at the statistics for police recorded crime, which
14:48
Speaker 3: do admittedly show an increase across the last few years,
14:52
Speaker 3: with a graph that sort of dips in the mid
14:55
Speaker 3: twenty tens and has gone up recently. This is not
14:59
Speaker 3: reinform by the arrest data. Now arrests in England and
15:04
Speaker 3: Wales compared with the numbers from two thousand and six,
15:07
Speaker 3: seven or eight have gone down quite considerably. So why
15:11
Speaker 3: is it, therefore that there's a need for greater clogging
15:14
Speaker 3: in the system, And why I think it's pertinent to ask.
15:19
Speaker 3: Is the government, via the Ministry of Justice, putting out
15:22
Speaker 3: messages as it was in December last year about thousands
15:25
Speaker 3: of new prison places. This was a press release that
15:28
Speaker 3: came out in December twenty twenty four where they said
15:30
Speaker 3: that fourteen thousand new prison places with the target to
15:33
Speaker 3: open by twenty thirty one are going to be put
15:36
Speaker 3: in place in order to keep the public safe. And
15:39
Speaker 3: this seems to be, as with everything else, at the
15:42
Speaker 3: basis of anything that has the potential to be extremely
15:46
Speaker 3: unpopular and questionable. Now, the other thing I really do
15:49
Speaker 3: want to take a look at is the report by
15:50
Speaker 3: the Institute for Government Performance track of twenty twenty five
15:54
Speaker 3: on the criminal courts, and in effect they've torn what
15:58
Speaker 3: Levison has written too shreds to a certain extent, and
16:02
Speaker 3: I quote at the heart of this problem is poor productivity.
16:05
Speaker 3: Magistrates Court and the Crown Court are processing fewer cases
16:08
Speaker 3: per day than before the pandemic, even though average case
16:12
Speaker 3: complexity has fallen Twince twenty sixteen. This means that both
16:17
Speaker 3: types of courts are failing to keep up with demand.
16:20
Speaker 3: They then go on to say that if these problems
16:22
Speaker 3: can be adequately addressed, many of the proposals for radical reform,
16:26
Speaker 3: such as Sir Brian Levison's suggested restrictions on jury trials,
16:29
Speaker 3: would not be necessary, and I think that's a key
16:32
Speaker 3: part come out of this report. They also go on
16:35
Speaker 3: to say that cases where the defendant pleads not guilty
16:37
Speaker 3: and there is a jury trial by far the most
16:40
Speaker 3: time consuming. Well, of course they are, and of course
16:43
Speaker 3: the inference in suggesting that juries would be done away
16:45
Speaker 3: with is that there might be more guilty verdicts where
16:48
Speaker 3: there shouldn't be. Now, the other thing they say for
16:51
Speaker 3: context is the crime court jury trials but much more
16:53
Speaker 3: demand on the system than any other kind. But in
16:57
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four, they made up only thirteen percent of
16:59
Speaker 3: all cases and sixty five percent of hearing hours. But
17:04
Speaker 3: the interesting thing is that the number of trials in
17:06
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four surpassed pre pandemic levels, but remained more
17:09
Speaker 3: than a quarter below twenty sixteen, despite the fact that
17:13
Speaker 3: sitting days were slightly higher in twenty twenty four. So
17:16
Speaker 3: the question really is why is productivity quite so low?
17:19
Speaker 3: And indeed Levison appears to have ignored the fact that
17:23
Speaker 3: courts are not spending an unprecedented amount of time on
17:26
Speaker 3: jury trials, and that total time on guilty pleasing Crown
17:31
Speaker 3: courts fell from sorry fell by twenty two percent from
17:35
Speaker 3: twenty sixteen to twenty twenty four. So there's absolutely something
17:37
Speaker 3: not adding up here. But we might be seeing the
17:39
Speaker 3: law of perhaps intended consequences, which is a graph that
17:44
Speaker 3: shows how during twenty twenty one everything got shut down.
17:47
Speaker 3: It looks very much like it's basically been the creation
17:49
Speaker 3: of an artificial backlog. Now, obviously the cry is that
17:54
Speaker 3: there wasn't enough investment. So I just want to point
17:57
Speaker 3: out on the House of Commons Library statistic, we've had
18:00
Speaker 3: thirteen billion pounds spent on justice in the UK, which
18:04
Speaker 3: of course equates exactly to the amount that we've spent
18:07
Speaker 3: on death in Ukraine. The latest statistic coming out in
18:11
Speaker 3: seventeen November on the UK to Support to Ukraine fact
18:16
Speaker 3: sheet very much looking like a planned destruction of the system,
18:19
Speaker 3: which Peter Hitchins is pointing out the Daily Mail, and
18:22
Speaker 3: he harks back to the nineteen sixties where it was
18:25
Speaker 3: only a requirement for seventy three thousand police versus one
18:28
Speaker 3: hundred and forty eight thousand. Now the prison population was
18:31
Speaker 3: down at twenty seven thousand. It's now up at over
18:34
Speaker 3: eighty seven thousand, of course, with fourteen more in the pipeline.
18:38
Speaker 3: And he's going back to the changes that were implemented
18:40
Speaker 3: by the then Home Secretary Roy Jenkins, starting with the
18:43
Speaker 3: removal of a requirement for a jury verdict to be unanimous. Now,
18:49
Speaker 3: something that is talked about quite a bit around this
18:51
Speaker 3: subject is the issue of nullification. And I've just got
18:54
Speaker 3: a very short clip from Daniel Shensmith, you might know
18:58
Speaker 3: him as the black Belt barrister, just explaining a bit
19:01
Speaker 3: about this.
19:03
Speaker 7: Nonetheless, if you are in a trial as a barrister,
19:07
Speaker 7: you cannot mention jury nullification because it would be contempt
19:12
Speaker 7: of court to do so, because it would tempt the
19:15
Speaker 7: jury into making a decision that goes against the law
19:19
Speaker 7: and the findings of evidence, which is against their oath
19:22
Speaker 7: that they take as a member of the jury.
19:25
Speaker 3: So it's not an uncomplicated area. And the link to
19:32
Speaker 3: the full videos in the show notes I really would
19:33
Speaker 3: recommend that you do watch it. But the government document
19:36
Speaker 3: explaining two jurors what they should do states quite clearly
19:41
Speaker 3: that among their legal responsibilities they are to swear an
19:45
Speaker 3: oath or an affirmation and to deal with the situation
19:49
Speaker 3: based only on the evidence you hear in court. But
19:52
Speaker 3: the difficulty is, of course, as far as contempt or
19:55
Speaker 3: indeed nullification goes, is that a jury's decision is final.
20:00
Speaker 1: But of course.
20:01
Speaker 3: The Ministry of Justice are trying to scare jurors into
20:07
Speaker 3: threatening them effectively with prison for contempt of course, for
20:11
Speaker 3: considering nullifying a guilty verdict. So I just finished off
20:15
Speaker 3: by pointing to the UK column Dissident's Guide to the
20:18
Speaker 3: Constitution in particular episode two, which deals with exactly this,
20:22
Speaker 3: and I hope we'll be talking about it more in
20:24
Speaker 3: extra Absolutely.
20:26
Speaker 1: Okay, let's move on then to war and international affairs.
20:30
Speaker 1: Because today is the Middle Foreign Ministers meeting as the
20:34
Speaker 1: war preparations ramp up, it should be stated straight away
20:38
Speaker 1: that we're increasingly in an increasingly in sin and dangerous situation.
20:43
Speaker 1: And just to illustrate that, here's some comments from Natal
20:47
Speaker 1: Secretary General Mark Rudder.
20:51
Speaker 8: We face real and lasting dangers. Russia continues to test
20:56
Speaker 8: our details. Russia has violated airspace with jets and drones.
21:04
Speaker 1: So that's this morning. Russia has violated our airspace with
21:08
Speaker 1: jets and drones. And to reinforce this, EU countries continue
21:12
Speaker 1: to be bombarded with lying media propaganda that Russia is
21:15
Speaker 1: flying drones into European airspace. Here are just three examples
21:19
Speaker 1: in the last few days. Now, the problem for the
21:23
Speaker 1: mainstream media is that Dutch newspaper Troo has reviewed dozens
21:28
Speaker 1: of incidents using the platform Drone Watch, and they found
21:33
Speaker 1: that they could not verify even one of the incidents,
21:37
Speaker 1: which is allegedly Russian mid drones has been sent into
21:40
Speaker 1: European airspace. The report claimed that no radar recorder debris
21:45
Speaker 1: was found that could validate Russian authorship, and even in
21:48
Speaker 1: the case of Poland, where allegedly Russian mid drones were found.
21:52
Speaker 1: There was no evidence that they were fired by Russians
21:55
Speaker 1: or from Russia. And they say that at least fourteen
21:58
Speaker 1: of the Dutch drone sightings were later a true to
22:00
Speaker 1: ordinary aircraft, helicopters, ships or even stars. It's like UFOs
22:05
Speaker 1: in many ways. But anyway, the map that we saw
22:08
Speaker 1: on screen there a second ago, which is compiled by Troo,
22:12
Speaker 1: showed three hobby or tourists drones and eleven other objects
22:16
Speaker 1: that were ultimately decided to be not drones at all.
22:18
Speaker 1: And in the Netherlands of Defense Department stress the recent
22:21
Speaker 1: reports near Vocal and Eindhoven are no cause for alarm.
22:25
Speaker 1: So according to the military police, they report hobby drones
22:29
Speaker 1: were spotted and although the originals was unclear, there was
22:33
Speaker 1: no evidence of a state level threat. So let's hear
22:38
Speaker 1: We'll move on then, and let's hear more from from mark.
22:41
Speaker 8: Ruda conducted sabotage and spend send spy ships into our waters.
22:49
Speaker 8: These actions are reckless and they are dangerous. And it's
22:53
Speaker 8: not USSHA alone, it is working close if it's China,
22:56
Speaker 8: North Korea and Iran to attempt to disrupt our societies
23:01
Speaker 8: and tear up the global rules. They're preparing for long
23:05
Speaker 8: term confrontation?
23:08
Speaker 1: Are they there preparing for long term confrontation? Wasn't it
23:12
Speaker 1: just one week ago that I reported on the Rusy
23:15
Speaker 1: Long War Conference and look Pollard's comments there. That was
23:21
Speaker 1: just the last Wednesday's news program. If you didn't see that,
23:25
Speaker 1: go back and watch it and then more from Ruta.
23:29
Speaker 1: Let's listen to this, and.
23:31
Speaker 8: We are responding with strength, unity and resolve. European allies
23:37
Speaker 8: and Canada are really stepping up defense investments and that's good,
23:41
Speaker 8: but you cannot afford to rest on our laurels. We
23:45
Speaker 8: all need to pull our weight in fast.
23:48
Speaker 9: We need to.
23:48
Speaker 8: Develop and buy core capabilities for our defense and invest
23:52
Speaker 8: in industry, in infrastructure and innovation.
23:57
Speaker 1: Which just by coincidence, echoes to Starmer regime push to
24:00
Speaker 1: turn Britain into a war economy, which we were talking
24:02
Speaker 1: about last week. Let's put look Pollard back on screen
24:05
Speaker 1: again if we can, and because this is what he
24:08
Speaker 1: was saying at the Long War Conference. To get to
24:12
Speaker 1: war fighting readiness, we need a whole of society approach.
24:14
Speaker 1: We've got to turn it into a war economy. This
24:17
Speaker 1: is quite an incredible situation. So let's get the last
24:21
Speaker 1: clip from from RUTA.
24:25
Speaker 8: To stimulate production and boost resilience. We also need to
24:30
Speaker 8: support Ukraine. More Russian missiles keep causing death and destruction,
24:36
Speaker 8: and winter is here.
24:40
Speaker 1: I absolutely believe that he was citing Game of Thrones there,
24:44
Speaker 1: winter is coming, the war arrived, the real war arrive
24:48
Speaker 1: when winter was here. I absolutely believe that's the kind
24:51
Speaker 1: of nonsense is going through these people's heads at the moment.
24:54
Speaker 1: But this just to reinforce this idea. We reported last
24:59
Speaker 1: week on comments by French General Fabian Mando who was
25:04
Speaker 1: determined to sacrifice French children. Well it's gone on because
25:09
Speaker 1: this week chair of NATO's Military Committee, Admiral Cavo Dragoni,
25:14
Speaker 1: gave an interview with the Financial Times and he said,
25:17
Speaker 1: how de terrence has achieved through retaliation through preemptive strike.
25:22
Speaker 1: This is something we have to analyze deeply. He was
25:24
Speaker 1: absolutely calling for preemptive preemptive strikes. That caused quite a
25:28
Speaker 1: four but it was echoed by others. For example, here's
25:32
Speaker 1: General Fabio Mini, former military sorry, former NATO Chief of
25:37
Speaker 1: the General Staff, who wrote in an article published on
25:39
Speaker 1: the TEWOD of December in Il FATO in Italy that
25:43
Speaker 1: NATO is already in a war against Russia and will
25:45
Speaker 1: launch a preemptive attack, and also by current NATO Supreme Commander,
25:50
Speaker 1: General Christopher Cavoli, NATO is preparing for an attack that
25:54
Speaker 1: should be so devastating as to non allow Russia to react.
25:58
Speaker 1: If we do not succeed, a fifteen year war of
26:00
Speaker 1: attrition awaits us. And so he's echoing again the long
26:03
Speaker 1: war there narrative. But to return to the question of
26:06
Speaker 1: whether or not children should be sacrificed, we'd be glad
26:10
Speaker 1: to know that children are saying no. And back in May,
26:14
Speaker 1: Germany's Institute for Generation Research found that eighty one percent
26:18
Speaker 1: of the country's Generation Z Generation Z were not prepared
26:23
Speaker 1: to sacrifice himself and also found at sixty nine percent
26:26
Speaker 1: said they were not willing to defend their country with
26:28
Speaker 1: a weapon. Now, the German government's plan is to increase
26:32
Speaker 1: the size of the army by two hundred and sixty
26:34
Speaker 1: thousand volunteers, and if there aren't enough volunteers, compulsory service
26:38
Speaker 1: could be instituted and so On the fifth of December,
26:42
Speaker 1: which is on Friday this week, the Parliament the German
26:46
Speaker 1: parliaments could decide on their proposal on this, and they're
26:49
Speaker 1: going to be demonstrations by students in many German cities.
26:52
Speaker 1: We don't want to end up as common canon fodder.
26:55
Speaker 1: Is the clear message and so on, So that that
26:59
Speaker 1: is the situation that we're in at the moment. The
27:02
Speaker 1: narrative coming out of the Mars these people becomes increasingly
27:06
Speaker 1: demonstrates increasing in sanity.
27:08
Speaker 3: In my opinion, it absolutely does, and it completely ties
27:11
Speaker 3: in with the propaganda campaign about drones. Why on earth,
27:15
Speaker 3: given these circumstances, woul Russia be picking a fight with NATO.
27:18
Speaker 3: It makes no sense and it's very much obviously going
27:22
Speaker 3: the other way around.
27:23
Speaker 1: Absolutely no. Let's welcome Fedessa to the program. And if
27:28
Speaker 1: we move over to the Middle Eastern and what's going on,
27:30
Speaker 1: sorry Southwest Asia, and what's going on in Syria with
27:34
Speaker 1: a wall. I thought walls were being built in the
27:36
Speaker 1: United States. I didn't know walls were being built in Asia.
27:41
Speaker 10: Yeah, very interesting, something that I was looking into in
27:45
Speaker 10: depth over the last few days, but particularly yesterday. So
27:48
Speaker 10: if we start, we'll basically go around the border of Syria.
27:53
Speaker 10: So this is the border with Iraq. At the end
27:55
Speaker 10: there is a map, so that people can get an
27:57
Speaker 10: idea of what I'm actually talking about. So this in
28:00
Speaker 10: November this year, we are completes three hundred and fifty
28:03
Speaker 10: kilometers of concrete border wall with Syria. Other reports have
28:07
Speaker 10: said they've reached up to four hundred kilometers. So what
28:11
Speaker 10: does this actually mean? That Baghdad is seeking to seal
28:15
Speaker 10: the entire six hundred and eighteen kilometer border with a
28:19
Speaker 10: multi layered security system three meter wide trench, three meter deep,
28:24
Speaker 10: four layer inflatable barrier, observation towers every one kilometer, equipped
28:29
Speaker 10: with advanced thermal cameras linked to a central monitoring system,
28:33
Speaker 10: and no gases as to who is at that central
28:36
Speaker 10: monitoring system, Integrated defense network made up of trenches, barbed
28:41
Speaker 10: wire and early warning systems, high precision thermal imaging and
28:45
Speaker 10: twenty four to seven surveillance devices. Of course, what is
28:49
Speaker 10: this sounding? Very similar to Gaza and of course the
28:55
Speaker 10: draconian fifteen minute cities like Cabron in the occupied territories.
29:00
Speaker 10: So this is a map from twenty thirteen. I'm just
29:02
Speaker 10: showing this to show how it was already beginning to
29:06
Speaker 10: take shape even back in twenty thirteen, two years into
29:10
Speaker 10: the regime change war against Syria. The areas in black
29:13
Speaker 10: show reinforced border areas, so you can see with Turkey
29:17
Speaker 10: in particular, between Israel and the occupied Goland territories in
29:22
Speaker 10: the south, and the border wall with Jordan leading up
29:27
Speaker 10: to the triangle between the border with Iraq and Jordan.
29:31
Speaker 10: So then going on to Jordan itself. Well, guess what
29:35
Speaker 10: beginning actually back in two thousand and eight, but escalating
29:40
Speaker 10: under the Obama administration, and Mike, you and I were
29:43
Speaker 10: talking yesterday that the policy to basically destroy and destabilize
29:48
Speaker 10: Syria did not begin with any particular president, but it
29:52
Speaker 10: was a bipartisan policy that was continued throughout various presidencies.
29:57
Speaker 10: So in twenty sixteen, he spent high off a billion
30:00
Speaker 10: on sophisticated electronic fencing on the northern and eastern borders
30:04
Speaker 10: to protect the US basis. The project began in two
30:08
Speaker 10: thousand and eight erected surveillance towers along fifty kilometer stretch
30:12
Speaker 10: of border, fully integrated and networked fence four hundred and
30:15
Speaker 10: forty two kilometer border with Syria andw arc as. I
30:18
Speaker 10: mentioned that triangle camera studied network of ground sensors with
30:23
Speaker 10: a file my five mile radius either side of the fence,
30:27
Speaker 10: and of course centralized joint US Jordan Command center receiving
30:31
Speaker 10: all of the information from those surveillance blocks on the
30:35
Speaker 10: fence itself. Then we look at under the Biden administration,
30:39
Speaker 10: again demonstrating how this isn't something that is relative to
30:43
Speaker 10: one particular party in the US or one particular president.
30:47
Speaker 10: So this was in twenty twenty four the Department of
30:50
Speaker 10: Defense Appropriations Act, and I'm just showing this part to
30:54
Speaker 10: show that three hundred and ninety seven million was put
30:58
Speaker 10: to one side for the counter Isis of Iraq and
31:02
Speaker 10: Syrian Syria Train and Equip Fund. Now, the slightly interesting
31:06
Speaker 10: part of this is that part of that fund is
31:09
Speaker 10: going to foreign forces, irregular forces or groups and individuals
31:14
Speaker 10: without of course actually naming them or identifying them.
31:19
Speaker 11: And that.
31:20
Speaker 10: That sum then is also a portion to border security.
31:26
Speaker 10: And if we can just move on to the next
31:28
Speaker 10: part of the act itself, so the Middle East Partner
31:31
Speaker 10: Reimbursements Section eight one zero, three hundred and eighty million
31:37
Speaker 10: to reimburse Jordan, Lubanon, Egypt, Tunisia and Oman basically for
31:43
Speaker 10: enhanced border security. So this again began under Obama, but
31:46
Speaker 10: was continued under Biden and will continue under Trump until
31:51
Speaker 10: September twenty twenty five. Again, I just want to show
31:55
Speaker 10: that Turkey had been building reinforced border areas that you
31:59
Speaker 10: can see in read the I myself in twenty eighteen.
32:03
Speaker 10: This is a twenty sixteen map, but in twenty eighteen
32:06
Speaker 10: I actually went to the northeastern border with Turkey and
32:11
Speaker 10: saw the building of the annexation wall. And again let's
32:17
Speaker 10: have a look at what this actually represents. So this
32:20
Speaker 10: is the Turkey border security to be boosted by concrete walls. Now,
32:25
Speaker 10: interesting statistics from twenty twenty five. It's an eight hundred
32:32
Speaker 10: and twenty five kilometer wall which is almost finished.
32:35
Speaker 1: It's the third.
32:36
Speaker 10: Longest in the wall after the Great Wall of China
32:39
Speaker 10: and the US Mexico borders. One hundred and twenty border
32:42
Speaker 10: towers with irregular patrols on either side of the border,
32:47
Speaker 10: seven ton concrete blocks three meters high, two meters wide.
32:51
Speaker 10: Surveillance includes thermal cameras, seismic and acoustic sensors. EU funded
32:57
Speaker 10: Cobra armored vehicles are patrolling the wall the entire length.
33:02
Speaker 10: Drone detection jammers. Now, this is an extraordinary construction that
33:08
Speaker 10: has really effectively gone under the radar in Western media,
33:14
Speaker 10: and then in Lebanon, not only is Israel building. These
33:18
Speaker 10: are just two posts from x talking about various areas
33:22
Speaker 10: in the south of Lebanon, where Israel has of course
33:25
Speaker 10: invaded Lebanese territory since the ceasefire in November twenty twenty
33:29
Speaker 10: four and is building a separation wall inside Lebanese territory
33:35
Speaker 10: to effectively create its so called buffer zone in the south,
33:39
Speaker 10: of course totally unlawful annexation of territory, and Turkey has
33:43
Speaker 10: done the same in northern Syria. But here comes the UK.
33:48
Speaker 10: So Mike, you will remember that last year we were
33:51
Speaker 10: talking about UK reinforcement of Lebanese armed forces, but also
33:56
Speaker 10: the establishment of watchtowers along the border with Syria, which
34:01
Speaker 10: are of course not to protect the Lebanese but to
34:04
Speaker 10: effectively one the pre tax for these borders is to
34:09
Speaker 10: prevent the smuggling of weapons of mass destruction, So we
34:13
Speaker 10: bring in the pretax for the war against Iraq, of course,
34:17
Speaker 10: but UK military veterans were involved in the training of
34:21
Speaker 10: the Lebanese OneD forces, while armored boxes used in the
34:25
Speaker 10: new thirty foot constructions were taken from towers being decommissioned
34:30
Speaker 10: in Northern Ireland as part of the sixty two million
34:34
Speaker 10: pounds projects. So basically Britain has also established watchtowers. It's
34:39
Speaker 10: now suggesting that it can do the same on the
34:42
Speaker 10: southern border between Lebanon and Israel. And of course, clearly
34:46
Speaker 10: this is not for the benefit of these countries. It's
34:48
Speaker 10: for the benefit of the security of Israel and its
34:51
Speaker 10: allies that are stationed, particularly in Leabin. One hundred and
34:55
Speaker 10: fifteen million of taxpayers money UK taxpayers money has been
35:00
Speaker 10: spent on effectively reinforcing border security in Lebanon. We can
35:05
Speaker 10: talk about that more in extra So now I just
35:08
Speaker 10: want to bring up a map that I drew up
35:11
Speaker 10: yesterday which shows very clearly here exactly how Syria is
35:15
Speaker 10: effectively being completely encircled by these border walls with massive
35:20
Speaker 10: surveillance capabilities, so effectively it's becoming a tech theory cauldron.
35:26
Speaker 10: The various armed forces like ISIS, al Qaeda and all
35:30
Speaker 10: the various affiliates are going to be kettled inside Syria,
35:34
Speaker 10: of course, committing keeness massacres against Syrian people. The only
35:40
Speaker 10: open area, Sorry, can I just have the map back
35:43
Speaker 10: on for a second. The only open area will be
35:45
Speaker 10: to the coast, and then of course they're facing Cyprus,
35:49
Speaker 10: which is gradually being taken over by Israel and Israeli influenced.
35:55
Speaker 10: But also if you look at Lebanon, it's about the
35:57
Speaker 10: corraling of the Lebanese resistance in the south of Lebanon.
36:01
Speaker 10: There because the border wall will effectively close the resistance
36:06
Speaker 10: in Lebanon off from Syria. But also if you look
36:08
Speaker 10: at the orange arrow there, the reason I've put that
36:12
Speaker 10: there is because effectively this will isolate Syria from Iraq
36:18
Speaker 10: and from Iran, and it will isolate Lebanon from Syria,
36:22
Speaker 10: Iraq and Iran, and also Palestine from Lebanon and Syria.
36:28
Speaker 10: So this is effectively about corraling, imprisoning any resistance actor
36:34
Speaker 10: state and in that area of Iraq. So again this
36:37
Speaker 10: is compounding the imprisonment of Syrians. If we look at
36:42
Speaker 10: we can look at the Yunan Plan, we can look
36:45
Speaker 10: at the clean Break doctrine. But I just drew up
36:47
Speaker 10: the map of the New Middle East which was published
36:52
Speaker 10: in the early two thousands. But where I've circled the
36:55
Speaker 10: map you can actually see that on the border with Syria,
36:58
Speaker 10: the intention is to build in Iraqi Sunni Muslim state,
37:03
Speaker 10: which effectively will again further distant Syria from any assistance
37:09
Speaker 10: that it might receive, either from Iran or from any
37:12
Speaker 10: of the resistance actors in the region.
37:18
Speaker 1: Quite an incredible situation, quite an incredible development of And
37:22
Speaker 1: as I you, any idea what the total amount of
37:25
Speaker 1: money that's being spent on.
37:26
Speaker 10: This is oh, very difficult to tell because I mean
37:30
Speaker 10: Turkey is running its own project Raithian in Tucson, Arizona
37:35
Speaker 10: is the prime contractor for the Jordanian will. Britain, as
37:40
Speaker 10: we've said, to date, have spent one hundred and fifteen million,
37:43
Speaker 10: but it's up in the hundreds of millions that have
37:47
Speaker 10: been poured into this project.
37:50
Speaker 3: Any thoughts, Well, I mean that's a lot of monitoring
37:54
Speaker 3: as well, you know, all these sort of senses and whatnot.
37:56
Speaker 3: Get do you get the sense that the data will
37:59
Speaker 3: be shared, especially with Israel.
38:02
Speaker 10: Yeah, of course it's going into a central command which
38:05
Speaker 10: is manned by the Zionist bloc, particularly the US and
38:09
Speaker 10: the UK, So of course, yes, it's entirely for the
38:12
Speaker 10: benefit of Israel.
38:14
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, well we will discuss this more an extra
38:17
Speaker 1: Thank you, Vanessa. Okay, if you like what the UK
38:19
Speaker 1: Colin does, you'd like to support us. We do need
38:21
Speaker 1: your financial help. If you look at the front page
38:23
Speaker 1: of the website, there is a link there take you
38:27
Speaker 1: to a page that explains how you can help us financially.
38:29
Speaker 1: If you can't help us financially, please do share our
38:32
Speaker 1: material because that helps us defeat the censorship regime in
38:36
Speaker 1: the UK and elsewhere. Tonight seven pm, John Warfare speing
38:42
Speaker 1: Alex Newman Sustainable Developments. Evil is the title for that,
38:46
Speaker 1: and at nine pm Carl will have Silk and Steel
38:49
Speaker 1: and discussing how the US Chinel marriage went. Sar yesterday's
38:54
Speaker 1: one o'clock interview with Sandy Adams speaking to Andrew Bridge,
38:59
Speaker 1: and that's on the website now, so if you can,
39:01
Speaker 1: if you haven't seen that, please do have a look.
39:03
Speaker 1: It's doing very well on YouTube, so thank you to
39:05
Speaker 1: everybody it's watching on YouTube. And I just want to
39:09
Speaker 1: mention this because Matt Campbell, who's been on this program
39:13
Speaker 1: many times, is attempting to get a new inquest into
39:17
Speaker 1: his brother's death from during nine to eleven into the
39:20
Speaker 1: Supreme Court to get another look at that. He's almost
39:24
Speaker 1: reached his target for the amount of money he needs
39:26
Speaker 1: to raise. Apparently this is now got to be heard
39:29
Speaker 1: in the Supreme Court. If you can possibly help with this,
39:32
Speaker 1: there's only about another thousand pards or so to go
39:34
Speaker 1: on the goal on the crowdfunder. It's on the crowdfunder website.
39:38
Speaker 1: The link will be in the show notes. And also
39:41
Speaker 1: if you want to get a bit more of the background,
39:43
Speaker 1: have a look on the UK column website. But also
39:45
Speaker 1: Ted Walters from IC nine eleven's just done an interview
39:48
Speaker 1: with redacted on this case and on the progress on
39:52
Speaker 1: the case. So do have a look at that if
39:55
Speaker 1: you possibly can. Okay, now let's move on then to
39:59
Speaker 1: the issue of the Don Sturgis inquiry. This of course
40:03
Speaker 1: follows on from the scripp Ale case, the issue of
40:07
Speaker 1: the claimed novel chalk poisoning in Salisbury, and well the
40:11
Speaker 1: Don Sturgess inquiry was running earlier this year and the
40:14
Speaker 1: inquiry report is due to be published tomorrow. Now we're
40:18
Speaker 1: going to have a man segment on this on Friday's
40:20
Speaker 1: News program. But I just want to welcome Tim Norman
40:23
Speaker 1: to the program. Tim, you wrote the day of the
40:27
Speaker 1: scripp all the big article on the UK column website
40:30
Speaker 1: and a whole host of other content for a prop
40:32
Speaker 1: Ganda and Focus and other places. But just very briefly,
40:36
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on what's likely to come out
40:39
Speaker 1: in the inquiry tomorrow?
40:42
Speaker 11: I think, well, I don't think the UK government ever
40:45
Speaker 11: wants to hold a public inquiry, but I think it
40:48
Speaker 11: really didn't want to hold this public inquiry. It's shrouded
40:51
Speaker 11: a great deal of stuff in secrecy. It's hidden a
40:54
Speaker 11: lot behind closed doors, and as you say, it relates
40:57
Speaker 11: to this twenty eighteen poisoning. So it's seven years in
41:00
Speaker 11: the making. It's really been quite a long time for
41:03
Speaker 11: the Sturgis family to try and find some kind of
41:06
Speaker 11: justice or some answers to what led to the death.
41:10
Speaker 11: It's brought really by Don daughter with Michael Mansfield, the barrister,
41:14
Speaker 11: behind her, and looking for, as I say, answers to
41:18
Speaker 11: what could have killed Dawn who was apparently killed by
41:22
Speaker 11: this nerve agent Navichok that was abandoned in Salisbury after
41:26
Speaker 11: a failed attempt to kill Sergoi Skrippell And.
41:30
Speaker 1: Well, what are your views on whether Novichok was actually
41:34
Speaker 1: used on the day.
41:36
Speaker 11: I would say the evidence is rather slight. It actually
41:40
Speaker 11: bears comparison to the DUMA a trustee in twenty eighteen,
41:43
Speaker 11: which is only a month or so later in that
41:46
Speaker 11: in that case we know from the OCW whistleblowers there
41:49
Speaker 11: was no nerve agent, and yes there was mass casualties.
41:52
Speaker 11: In this case we apparently had a deadly nerve agent,
41:54
Speaker 11: far more deadly than Saren, which was a leigedly used
41:57
Speaker 11: of DUMA that produced in the initial case at least
41:59
Speaker 11: no casualties until four months later.
42:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, sorry, go ahead.
42:07
Speaker 11: I think the answer is probably that Novichok was a
42:10
Speaker 11: fabricated event, just as Saren was fabricated in the DOMA case.
42:15
Speaker 1: Yes, I think I would concur with that, and particularly
42:18
Speaker 1: bearing in mind we keep mentioning it, but we just
42:20
Speaker 1: should keep remembering it that the Chief Medical Officer of
42:23
Speaker 1: the United Kingdom suggests that if you thought you had
42:25
Speaker 1: been coming in contact with novel chalk, that the best
42:30
Speaker 1: course of action was to wash your clothes or whatever
42:32
Speaker 1: as normal and wipe things done with wet wipes. I mean,
42:35
Speaker 1: the narrative was just so separated from reality that if
42:42
Speaker 1: there had been actually a nervegiond on the streets that
42:45
Speaker 1: it just didn't make any sense. Now, look, I want
42:48
Speaker 1: to Tim well first of all, before we come on
42:50
Speaker 1: to this, I mean you were talking about the secrecy
42:54
Speaker 1: involved in this. When the report comes out, how are
42:57
Speaker 1: they going to deal do you think with the issues
43:00
Speaker 1: that were held in secret.
43:03
Speaker 11: I think they're going to gloss over them. I mean
43:06
Speaker 11: it is extremely serious, although as you suggest, it's it's
43:10
Speaker 11: comical in many ways the way that we were asked
43:12
Speaker 11: to respond to it. It was of course setting the
43:16
Speaker 11: ground for the war and coming war in Ukraine as
43:18
Speaker 11: it then was, and it involved the death of an
43:23
Speaker 11: innocent woman under whatever circumstances. But I don't think they're
43:27
Speaker 11: going to go into any detail about the very problematic
43:29
Speaker 11: elements that came up during the inquiry, though I do
43:32
Speaker 11: look forward to going into them in detail with you
43:34
Speaker 11: on Friday. There's a great deal of odd evidence that
43:38
Speaker 11: emerged despite the British government attempt to keep a very
43:40
Speaker 11: tight sort of control over the narrative.
43:43
Speaker 1: So we would urge everybody to keep an eyeurd for
43:45
Speaker 1: that report tomorrow and have a look at the mid
43:48
Speaker 1: Street media reporting and then come and see us on Thursday.
43:51
Speaker 1: I'm Friday, sorry to get the update, but just to
43:54
Speaker 1: finish this segment, I want to let everybody know that
43:57
Speaker 1: next Thursday, the eleventh of the eleventh of December, that's
44:01
Speaker 1: tomorrow week, we will be holding an event in Salisbury
44:05
Speaker 1: which we're calling Scripple and Novchak. What didn't happen? We
44:08
Speaker 1: put that on screen and so this is not yet
44:12
Speaker 1: up on event bright, but we'll be up on event
44:14
Speaker 1: Bright on Friday, so tickets will go on seal on Friday.
44:17
Speaker 1: They're going to be ten pounds. Now, look, what we're
44:20
Speaker 1: aiming to do here, Tim, very briefly, is to get
44:24
Speaker 1: people local people engaged on this. So while we're very
44:28
Speaker 1: happy to see UK column members and UK column viewers
44:31
Speaker 1: and listeners joining us for that, we'd actually very much
44:35
Speaker 1: like to encourage as many people that are aware of
44:38
Speaker 1: what we do to invite people that aren't to come
44:42
Speaker 1: to that event, which you'll be speaking at.
44:45
Speaker 11: Yes, I'm looking forward to it. We're planning a tour
44:50
Speaker 11: of the city, I believe.
44:52
Speaker 1: Yes, well that's that's something else which might be going
44:55
Speaker 1: on as well. We'll talk more about that on Friday
44:57
Speaker 1: as well. So Tim, thank you very much for joining us.
44:59
Speaker 1: We're looking forward to seeing it on Friday. Let's move
45:04
Speaker 1: on then, Charles.
45:05
Speaker 3: Yeah, just a very brief piece extending really Tim's theme
45:08
Speaker 3: of controlling the narrative. And as if it wasn't undignified enough,
45:11
Speaker 3: having all the for all brought into the public about
45:13
Speaker 3: the decision of West Midland's police to ban the fans
45:16
Speaker 3: of Maccabi Tel Aviv a short while ago, it has
45:20
Speaker 3: got worse. And with thanks to de Classified UK for
45:22
Speaker 3: bringing this to everybody's attention. But the Home Affairs Select
45:25
Speaker 3: Committee met and we've just got a very short clip
45:29
Speaker 3: of a video of them declaring their interests before the hearing.
45:33
Speaker 11: Before we start, there are some declarations of interest.
45:36
Speaker 12: I will declare that I am an officer and member
45:39
Speaker 12: of the Conservative Friends of Israel.
45:41
Speaker 11: And a member of the Labor Friends Israel. We've received
45:46
Speaker 11: a donation of two thousand pounds from the Lived In
45:48
Speaker 11: Friends of Israel, and I'm.
45:51
Speaker 9: A Jewish Labor MP.
45:56
Speaker 3: And in fact, as reported by Declassified, there was actually
45:58
Speaker 3: somebody present who didn't even play that they'd recently made
46:01
Speaker 3: a trip to Israel. So as if anyone needed the
46:04
Speaker 3: type of confirmation that there really are undue influences everywhere,
46:08
Speaker 3: that is it.
46:09
Speaker 1: Vanessa. Let's welcome you back to the program and what's
46:13
Speaker 1: going on with respect to Trump, Israel and Syria.
46:19
Speaker 10: Yeah, one thing I failed to point out on the
46:22
Speaker 10: map that was up on screen, but we can talk
46:23
Speaker 10: about it. An extra is the potential for a wall
46:26
Speaker 10: to be built basically cutting the south of Syria from
46:30
Speaker 10: the north to the south of Damascus. But anyway, we're
46:34
Speaker 10: seeing again these manufactured rifts between Trump and Israel. So
46:39
Speaker 10: allegedly Trump warns Israel not to interfere in Syria because
46:42
Speaker 10: of course he's such a mega supporter of the al
46:46
Speaker 10: Kaed attach theory regime. There absolute nonsense. It's just effectively
46:52
Speaker 10: plausible deniability for the United States for what Israel is
46:56
Speaker 10: for the crimes that Israel is committing in southern Syria,
46:59
Speaker 10: which include, in the last few days, an Israeli raid
47:03
Speaker 10: in southern Syria which killed thirteen in the village itself
47:07
Speaker 10: in the south, encroaching into Syrian territory beyond the nineteen
47:12
Speaker 10: seventy four territorial agreement in relation to the occupied Golan territories.
47:20
Speaker 10: Just a very quick video of the incursion by the
47:24
Speaker 10: Israeli forces. It included helicopters as well, and they act
47:27
Speaker 10: to leave one of their hum V vehicles behind which
47:31
Speaker 10: they then later bombed to prevent it falling into the
47:34
Speaker 10: hands of civilians in Syria.
47:37
Speaker 1: So here's the raid itself.
47:46
Speaker 12: Good, that's what something.
48:08
Speaker 2: My arm.
48:38
Speaker 10: So, I mean sort of extraordinary scenes, bearing in mind
48:40
Speaker 10: the majority of these people were civilians. The claim by Israel,
48:44
Speaker 10: of course, was that it was a Hamas affiliated group
48:47
Speaker 10: that they were trying to root out.
48:49
Speaker 1: There just a very.
48:50
Speaker 10: Quick map here to show where bite Jin the village
48:54
Speaker 10: actually is. It's in that sudden section that Israel is
48:57
Speaker 10: effectively trying to occupy and annex. And then, in fact,
49:03
Speaker 10: another video has been released by various social media channels
49:08
Speaker 10: showing Israeli tanks actually entering Syrian territory and moving around
49:13
Speaker 10: quite happily with absolutely no restrictions whatsoever. While this has
49:19
Speaker 10: been going on for some time, this is actually one
49:22
Speaker 10: of the first video evidence that we've had of it.
49:26
Speaker 10: And then if we can just go forward to the
49:31
Speaker 10: map itself, which is the occupation of Syrian territory. So
49:35
Speaker 10: this shows how Israel has basically the red section shows
49:40
Speaker 10: how far it has encroached beyond the nineteen seventy four
49:45
Speaker 10: agreement line. It's about forty to twenty kilometers from Damascus itself,
49:50
Speaker 10: nineteen new bases and taken over eight hundred square kilometers
49:55
Speaker 10: of Syrian territory. So clearly we know that Israel doesn't
49:59
Speaker 10: leave to arritory wants it's occupied. It neither does the US,
50:03
Speaker 10: so it appears to be very clear what Israel's intentions are.
50:09
Speaker 1: Thank you for nice and thank you very much for that, Charles.
50:12
Speaker 1: What's going on. Let's come back to the UK then,
50:14
Speaker 1: and Children's Schools Bill. Yeah, very briefly.
50:17
Speaker 3: I mean, unfortunately, as with so many subjects, there's not
50:19
Speaker 3: really time to give as much coverage as we'd like.
50:22
Speaker 3: But still it should be noted that there was a
50:25
Speaker 3: debate in the House of Commons on the progress of
50:28
Speaker 3: the Children's Wellbeing and School's Bill on Monday, and the
50:32
Speaker 3: gist of it is that really there is very little
50:35
Speaker 3: opposition to many of the intrusive measures. But what's been
50:39
Speaker 3: a particular concern across the board really is this idea
50:43
Speaker 3: of having a unique identify, effectively a type of digital
50:47
Speaker 3: ID for children. But Gideon Amos was notable in speaking
50:52
Speaker 3: out about exactly this issue, and I'll just quote what
50:54
Speaker 3: he said, which was, let us remember that it gives
50:57
Speaker 3: any public body the ability to share any whether or
51:01
Speaker 3: not it is right, correct and accurate without the knowledge
51:05
Speaker 3: or consent of parents. Anyone who thinks the public sector
51:09
Speaker 3: is good at looking after our data and getting it
51:12
Speaker 3: accurate has probably been living on the moon. Now that
51:15
Speaker 3: there's obviously much more to come out about the debate
51:18
Speaker 3: and the direction of this bill, but bearing in mind
51:20
Speaker 3: what's being said about digital identity in the round at
51:23
Speaker 3: the moment, it's important that Amos's remarks are taken note of,
51:28
Speaker 3: especially since they're so discordant with the majority of other parliamentarians,
51:31
Speaker 3: which seems perfectly extraordinary given his position, and indeed you'd
51:35
Speaker 3: think that everybody would be well aware of exactly that fact.
51:39
Speaker 1: Okay, now we have a report from Will Callsill.
51:42
Speaker 3: We do yes on the case of Derek Dimmock and
51:45
Speaker 3: the inquiry SORR of the inquest that's taking place into
51:48
Speaker 3: his death in twenty twenty and the suggestion that in
51:52
Speaker 3: fact it was due to treatment with medazolam in particular
51:56
Speaker 3: that ended his life.
52:00
Speaker 12: This is a really really important case. It's been going
52:03
Speaker 12: on for some time. It's been a miracle for that
52:05
Speaker 12: the family have actually got it to inquest, and a lot
52:07
Speaker 12: of families don't even get this far. It costs an
52:10
Speaker 12: awful lot of money to get a case to inquest.
52:12
Speaker 12: It's very difficult to get evidence because a lot of
52:15
Speaker 12: families do not know that has happened to their loved ones,
52:17
Speaker 12: and those that do, when they try to pursue to
52:19
Speaker 12: get the medical evidence, they're told no, they can't have it.
52:22
Speaker 9: Well, this is real. Colds were reporting for UK column today.
52:24
Speaker 13: I'm outside the Coroner's caught down here in Suffolk reporting
52:26
Speaker 13: on the inquest into the death of Derek Dimmock, aged
52:29
Speaker 13: eighty six at the time of death in twenty twenty
52:31
Speaker 13: at the Royal Trinity Hospice. Derek Dimmock was administered me daslam,
52:35
Speaker 13: a respiratory suppressant, and it is being alleged by his family,
52:38
Speaker 13: including his son Paul, that he was killed by this
52:41
Speaker 13: during the height of the so called COVID pandemic.
52:44
Speaker 9: This case has dragged on a number of years.
52:45
Speaker 13: Obviously, it has been five years now since the death
52:48
Speaker 13: of mister Dimmock, with many delays and extensions to this inquest,
52:51
Speaker 13: which was originally built for only around four days. Now
52:54
Speaker 13: another four days have been built here in December. This
52:57
Speaker 13: is the first day of those today, I was actually
52:59
Speaker 13: deny access to the main court and was provided instead
53:03
Speaker 13: with a video link. We were told that the main court,
53:05
Speaker 13: despite it not being in full use today and I
53:08
Speaker 13: did get a glimpse inside one of the other courts
53:09
Speaker 13: which was absolutely huge, could not be used for this case,
53:12
Speaker 13: and instead people were funneled into a smaller court which
53:15
Speaker 13: did not have access. Instead, I was provided a video
53:17
Speaker 13: link where I could see about a quarter of the
53:19
Speaker 13: coroner's face and none of the rest of the courtroom.
53:23
Speaker 13: In addition, we've had a number of other issues with
53:25
Speaker 13: the case today. Of the two nurses who were meant
53:28
Speaker 13: to be the focus, we have heard that one of
53:31
Speaker 13: the nurses was unable to attend due to medical reasons.
53:35
Speaker 13: The other nurse has disappeared and apparently cannot be contact.
53:39
Speaker 13: Much of the day has been consumed by wrangling over
53:41
Speaker 13: which written questions could be submitted to the first nurse.
53:43
Speaker 9: Thru these questions, we were able.
53:44
Speaker 13: To look at many of the main themes of this inquest,
53:47
Speaker 13: including nurse awareness around for maazenole, which is meant to
53:50
Speaker 13: be the antidote to medazolam, irregularities over medical logs, and
53:54
Speaker 13: whether these were backdated in terms of records, why more
53:58
Speaker 13: intern ox was not given to mister Dimmock when Enerknox
54:02
Speaker 13: appeared to work earlier, On why he appeared to have
54:04
Speaker 13: been from the medical records, denied pain relief for fifty
54:07
Speaker 13: eight minutes, how a holistic assessment was conducted when he
54:11
Speaker 13: was either comatose on responsive, how early he had been
54:15
Speaker 13: agitated and drowsy when previously alleged to be talking, drinking,
54:19
Speaker 13: walter and briefly walking, The disposal of the drugs used
54:23
Speaker 13: and whether these were properly logged, and finally the controlled
54:26
Speaker 13: drug book being destroyed during the investigation. Earlier I spoke
54:30
Speaker 13: to Amanda Hunter and Andrew Bridgen, both of whom have
54:32
Speaker 13: a keen stake in this inquest.
54:34
Speaker 4: It's the third time I've come down on the third session.
54:37
Speaker 4: I was approached by the Dimmock family back in twenty
54:40
Speaker 4: twenty three when I was an MP and I wrote
54:42
Speaker 4: to the then coroner for sutherk A man called Andrew
54:46
Speaker 4: Harris asked him to consider expediting a inquest into the
54:53
Speaker 4: death of Derek Dimmock where he went into hospital with
54:55
Speaker 4: gout or arrest bite hospice with gout on a Friday.
54:59
Speaker 4: He was suffering from dementa, had been for quite a
55:01
Speaker 4: while and by Monday morning he was dead, and the
55:07
Speaker 4: evidence showed that he was immediately put on Mada's lama morphine.
55:10
Speaker 12: During COVID, many of the people who from my group
55:13
Speaker 12: families against in voluntary medical euthanasia, their loved ones were
55:17
Speaker 12: basically euthanized, not only with the madazen amen morphine that
55:23
Speaker 12: is in some of the cases, but in many of
55:25
Speaker 12: the cases basically the Liverpool care Pathway under another name.
55:29
Speaker 12: So what happened was families were told that their loved
55:32
Speaker 12: one was dying and they were now end of life
55:35
Speaker 12: and they were put on They were dehydrated, they were
55:39
Speaker 12: not given food, they deteriorated, they were then sedated and
55:44
Speaker 12: then put on end of life drugs. Not all died
55:47
Speaker 12: with the because of the end of life drugs, but
55:49
Speaker 12: many did.
55:50
Speaker 4: Obviously, I was aware of n G one six to
55:51
Speaker 4: three implemented by Matt Hancock on the fourth of April
55:54
Speaker 4: twenty twenty eight. Protocol for the Treatment of underbal elderly
55:57
Speaker 4: not suitable for ventilation who respectually of suffered from COVID was.
56:01
Speaker 12: Basically the Liverpool care Pathway, which is supposed to be
56:04
Speaker 12: banned in twenty fourteen went on steroids and you can
56:08
Speaker 12: see evidence from that from both the Scottish COVID Inquiry
56:11
Speaker 12: and the UK COVID Inquiry. You have families on record,
56:15
Speaker 12: care home managers on record saying that they call the
56:17
Speaker 12: gp AS for antibotics, they were refused and they said
56:20
Speaker 12: send the end of life care.
56:21
Speaker 4: Well, what we've actually got here this was the cold
56:23
Speaker 4: blooded murder. I believe involuntary euthanization of tens of thousands
56:27
Speaker 4: of underable abledly. What we do know about n G
56:29
Speaker 4: one six three, which is a parallel track, So stay
56:32
Speaker 4: at home until your lipscoblu who come to hospital. If
56:34
Speaker 4: you're healthy enough, we'll put your on event lator And
56:37
Speaker 4: about eighty five percent of people died and we're put
56:39
Speaker 4: down as having.
56:39
Speaker 9: Died of COVID.
56:42
Speaker 4: Or if you're vulnerable and elderly not suitable for ventilation,
56:45
Speaker 4: we'll put you on the dasmim morphine. And one hundred
56:46
Speaker 4: percent of the people died and would have been put
56:48
Speaker 4: down as COVID deaths.
56:49
Speaker 12: During COVID, it really was phenomenal what was happening. We
56:53
Speaker 12: believe tens of thousands of people died during COVID on
56:56
Speaker 12: these protocols, and these protocols are continuing, not on the
57:00
Speaker 12: scale that they did before, but they are continuing. And
57:03
Speaker 12: it's extremely concerning in context of the city's suicide Bill
57:06
Speaker 12: which is coming in.
57:07
Speaker 4: The two nurses who are witnesses, ones said that she's
57:10
Speaker 4: ill AND's got a sick note, and the other one
57:12
Speaker 4: apparently he's uncontactable. They were supposed to be here to
57:15
Speaker 4: be cross examined by both sides today and it's just
57:20
Speaker 4: not really acceptable. But people can dodge being able to
57:23
Speaker 4: give evidence. It's been months and months since we were
57:26
Speaker 4: here with the last session of this case, and it's
57:29
Speaker 4: very interesting that as a result of the letter I
57:33
Speaker 4: wrote in twenty twenty three, we're here today. The name
57:38
Speaker 4: Coroner for souther Andrew Harris, approved permission for Derek Dimmock's inquest.
57:46
Speaker 4: Then he retired. I had cced into my letter the
57:50
Speaker 4: Chief Coroner for England, who's also now retired. But back
57:55
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty three, despite the fact that the inquest
57:58
Speaker 4: was approved, the Chief Coroner for England wrote to Parliament
58:01
Speaker 4: just stands and tried to get me disciplined for attempting
58:04
Speaker 4: to influence a judge I don't think the establishment want
58:07
Speaker 4: this case. I think it's actually far more dangerous for
58:10
Speaker 4: the establishment than the vaccine.
58:12
Speaker 12: We hope that this will be a test case and
58:13
Speaker 12: we hope that this will this will expose what has
58:17
Speaker 12: been going on, and we hope that the family get
58:19
Speaker 12: justice because they deserve justice.
58:20
Speaker 4: I can see why the establishment really want to keep
58:22
Speaker 4: a lid on this information. And this is a tootemic
58:27
Speaker 4: coroner's inquest and that's why, quite honestly, it's being dragged
58:31
Speaker 4: out and dragged out. And as we all know that
58:34
Speaker 4: justice delayed is justice denied, and justice is being denied here.
58:37
Speaker 13: This is just the first of four days allocated here
58:39
Speaker 13: in December, and it seems that this is going to
58:41
Speaker 13: be a case to watch with many wider implications.
58:44
Speaker 9: This is Will Coleshill reporting for UK column.
58:48
Speaker 1: So huge thanks to Will for that. And this issue
58:52
Speaker 1: of meda's alam and morphine use is not going to
58:55
Speaker 1: go away anytime soon, so undibtedly we'll be coming back
58:58
Speaker 1: to it. But another issue which is going to go
59:00
Speaker 1: away anytime soon, Charles, is the issue of water supplies
59:05
Speaker 1: and the requirement for the use of water to cool
59:08
Speaker 1: data centers that we are building increasingly, what have you
59:11
Speaker 1: got on this.
59:13
Speaker 3: Well, something we've been giving a keen eye on as
59:15
Speaker 3: big tech continues to plunder all the natural resources that
59:18
Speaker 3: are there and take all of our electricity at the
59:20
Speaker 3: same time. We're going to have a look at Amazon,
59:22
Speaker 3: who are making the resplendent claim to be interested in
59:26
Speaker 3: water conservation and replenishment efforts around the world. Now they've
59:32
Speaker 3: got much promotional material to apparently support this claim, but
59:36
Speaker 3: we're going to look in particular at a project that
59:39
Speaker 3: they've got in Oregon, and they've said on their website,
59:42
Speaker 3: their water replenishment website, We're excited to announce Amazon's first
59:46
Speaker 3: water replenishment project in Oregon, as Amazon Web Services continues
59:50
Speaker 3: to make progress towards its big commitment to being water positive,
59:54
Speaker 3: whatever that means. By twenty thirty. Now they say that
59:57
Speaker 3: they're going to be able to restore as much as
59:59
Speaker 3: too billion liters of water a year using nature based solutions,
1:00:05
Speaker 3: which makes one question whether actually they can really claim
1:00:08
Speaker 3: responsibility for restoring or replenishing the water in the first place,
1:00:11
Speaker 3: because they're obviously not creating it themselves. That's slightly beside
1:00:16
Speaker 3: the point. And the issue here is that all is
1:00:19
Speaker 3: certainly not well, at least according to a number of
1:00:22
Speaker 3: sources in Oregon. And here we've got techorian reporting on
1:00:26
Speaker 3: an investigation conducted by Rolling Stone in which the nuts
1:00:30
Speaker 3: and bolts of it are that nitrate levels in the
1:00:32
Speaker 3: water there are being recorded at ten times their normal concentration.
1:00:37
Speaker 3: Aquifers are reporters as being contaminated. Now, it's important to
1:00:41
Speaker 3: clarify that there were existing nitrates from agricultural chemicals in
1:00:46
Speaker 3: the water, and it's not that the level has been
1:00:48
Speaker 3: increased by Amazon, but the process of concentration has been happening,
1:00:52
Speaker 3: they say, by the process of condensing in the cooling
1:00:57
Speaker 3: of the Amazon data centers. Now also meant to be
1:01:01
Speaker 3: alongside this a significant increase in organ in particular of
1:01:04
Speaker 3: cancers and occurrences of miscarriage. Amazon of course have refuted
1:01:09
Speaker 3: all of this, but I think really the coincidence cannot
1:01:14
Speaker 3: be ignored, particularly at a time where water has become
1:01:18
Speaker 3: quite such a sensitive issue.
1:01:19
Speaker 1: And I think just for the.
1:01:20
Speaker 3: UK column audience well and d Days particularly based in
1:01:23
Speaker 3: the UK, I would just point out that they have
1:01:26
Speaker 3: got a water replenishment project running in the Thames Valley
1:01:29
Speaker 3: at the moment, so we will.
1:01:31
Speaker 1: Keep our eyes on that very cleverly in the coming months.
1:01:35
Speaker 1: So we're going to end there. Unfortunately we're out of time.
1:01:38
Speaker 1: I'm going to say massive thank you to Vanessa and
1:01:40
Speaker 1: Charles and to Tim Norman and to David Miller for
1:01:44
Speaker 1: joining us today. We'll be back in a couple of
1:01:46
Speaker 1: minutes on the livestream of UK column Member for some
1:01:50
Speaker 1: UK column News extra. I hope to see there. Don't
1:01:53
Speaker 1: forget the videos going out tonight and also tomorrow at
1:01:57
Speaker 1: one pm. And we'll see at one pm as usual
1:02:00
Speaker 1: on Friday for another UK cold News. See you then,
1:02:02
Speaker 1: bye bye, bye bye
1:02:12
Speaker 3: MHM.