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IAAI Town Meeting: The Payoff Denied (Season 3 E14 “Swan Song”) · I Am All In with Scott Patterson

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Speaker 1: I Am all in again.
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Speaker 2: Oh, let's just you.
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Speaker 1: I Am all in Town meeting with Suzanne French and
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Speaker 1: Tara suit An iHeartRadio podcast. Hey guys, welcome back to
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Speaker 1: another episode of I'm All in Town meeting with myself,
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Speaker 1: Tar and Suzanne. Heh, Hi, Sorry if I sound a
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Speaker 1: little nasally. You've got this winter cold that's going around.
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Speaker 2: You do sound a little congested.
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Speaker 1: It was worse yesterday. I took a suit of fed
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Speaker 1: so feeling a little bit better. All right. So today
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Speaker 1: we're talking about season three, episode fourteen, Swan Song, which
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Speaker 1: aired on February eleventh, two thousand and three. And I
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Speaker 1: have to start by saying, at last time Susanna and
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Speaker 1: I were on, she told me that this theory that
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Speaker 1: I didn't know about about the Swan situation with Jess
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Speaker 1: and that people don't think it's true.
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Speaker 2: Well that's my hot take, Okay. I think everybody else
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Speaker 2: believes the Swan story. I personally think he was lying.
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Speaker 1: Okay, So I watched it with a completely different mindset
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Speaker 1: this time, and I think I'm on your side, yay.
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Speaker 1: But the thing is is, like I can understand where
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Speaker 1: everyone's like, oh, well, like it's definitely true. Because it's
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Speaker 1: just such a Gilmore thing, like it's so stupid, right, yeah,
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Speaker 1: but there's no payoff, right, I mean there is a payoff.
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Speaker 1: The payoff is that he claims that like, oh I
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Speaker 1: got hit by a swan, but like that's it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. So I've mentioned this in Facebook groups in the past,
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Speaker 2: like a long time ago, and everybody like jumped all
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Speaker 2: over me and they were like, well, they went and
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Speaker 2: they saw the swan, so of course it was the swan.
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Speaker 2: That doesn't prove anything, though, I mean, the fact that
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Speaker 2: there's a swan in a lake does not prove that
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Speaker 2: it attacked Jess because they went to see the swan
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Speaker 2: and the swan did nothing, like it ignored them. And
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Speaker 2: I just have a hard time thinking about Jess kind
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Speaker 2: of as a person and all the shenanigans that he
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Speaker 2: gets into when he comes to Stars Hollow. He doesn't,
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Speaker 2: especially to grown ups. He doesn't tell the truth, and
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Speaker 2: I just have a hard time believing that Luke would
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Speaker 2: be the one person that he tells the truth too.
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Speaker 1: So I don't know.
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Speaker 2: And I remember even the very first time I saw
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Speaker 2: the episode, when my very first run through of the show,
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Speaker 2: and I remember like when the episode ended, and he
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Speaker 2: because he talks about the swan and then he tells
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Speaker 2: Rory he got hit in the face with a football,
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Speaker 2: and I remember the episode ended and I thought, but what,
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Speaker 2: like how did how did it happen? Like I was like, wait,
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Speaker 2: that's the end. They can't just leave with me, Like
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Speaker 2: I never thought that we got resolution to that question.
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Speaker 2: So I don't think it was this one.
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Speaker 1: There's no payoff, and even like in the episode after
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Speaker 1: still nothing happened. But also I feel like he was
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Speaker 1: extra angry, So I would be not that I'm I
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Speaker 1: would fight someone, but yeah, it would be that level
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Speaker 1: of angry if I got into a fight with someone,
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Speaker 1: not if like I tripped and got a bruise. Like
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Speaker 1: I mean, there's so many times where like I've banged
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Speaker 1: my like elbow or hip or something into like you know,
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Speaker 1: like the corner of the table. The amount of times
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Speaker 1: I've hit a corner of a table on my hip
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Speaker 1: and then my my hip bone gets a bruise, Like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: what am I angry at the table? Right? You know,
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Speaker 1: like especially that angry. I also know that he didn't
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Speaker 1: want to go to Friday night dinner, so right.
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Speaker 2: And we've also seen him get in random fights. Before
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Speaker 2: there was that fight the Dean trying to break up. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: like just getting on some random guy. So like it
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Speaker 2: seems like it probably was just he just had some
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Speaker 2: sort of a conflict with some random person.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I don't know.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know how he got the black eye.
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Speaker 2: I just don't think it was the Swan. And it
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Speaker 2: was finning. My husband watched this episode with me and
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Speaker 2: he did the opposite, like he always distrusted that story also,
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Speaker 2: but then this time he's like, you know, I don't
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Speaker 2: know it was Swan because his point, and I can
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Speaker 2: see his point, was that why would if he was
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Speaker 2: making up the story, Like why would he have gone
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Speaker 2: to all that trouble to go to the lake? And yeah,
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Speaker 2: so I can kind of see that too. But at
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Speaker 2: the same time, he was also by then so committed
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Speaker 2: to the lie, maybe that he had to prove his point.
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Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know the right answer. I
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Speaker 2: just my gut feeling is that it was not a Swan.
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Speaker 1: I'd love to hear people's opinions on our Instagram. Yes,
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Speaker 1: I'd love to hear because I'm a little torn because
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Speaker 1: then when you put it that way, Like, why would
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Speaker 1: he go out of his way to go canoe into
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Speaker 1: the lake? Just a full effort in the Luke.
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Speaker 2: Right for a lie? I mean yeah, I just feel
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Speaker 2: like I.
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Speaker 1: Would have believed more like, Oh, I was playing basketball
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Speaker 1: and got hit in the face, Like I feel like
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Speaker 1: that would have just been better. Yeah, or playing I
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Speaker 1: don't know, right.
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Speaker 2: But then he comes up, He's like, oh, I was
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Speaker 2: throwing a football with a buddy and I got hit. Well,
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Speaker 2: you know that's a.
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Speaker 1: Lie, but that was more believable.
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Speaker 2: Well, but just doesn't have buddies, Like who the hell
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Speaker 2: is he gonna be throwing a football with?
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Speaker 1: It's okay, complaints Luke. He was playing with Luke.
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Speaker 2: So I don't know. I feel like it's an unresolved
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Speaker 2: question for me personally, and I think I'm in an
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Speaker 2: already in that and I'm okay with that.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, my one thing is Rory pissed me off
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Speaker 1: of Friday night dinner because she might freaking drop it.
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Speaker 2: She was terrible.
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Speaker 1: Just wait, just wait one hour and then deal with it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I you know, Jess is not my favorite person,
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Speaker 2: but I was one hundred percent on his side in
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Speaker 2: this episode. She made it so much worse than it
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Speaker 2: needed to be.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, especially like.
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Speaker 2: She knows, don't do that crap in front of Emily,
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Speaker 2: She of all people know, is gonna latch onto that,
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Speaker 2: and it's gonna like she's never gonna let it go.
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Speaker 1: And and when she's like, oh, Grandma was cool with it,
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Speaker 1: blah blah, we know she's not. Like you know that
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Speaker 1: she was hiding it.
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Speaker 2: Right exactly exactly. She made it so much. And then
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Speaker 2: she like drags him into the other room.
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Speaker 1: And that part it was one thing to bring it
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Speaker 1: up over and over at table, So then drag him
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Speaker 1: to the other rooms talk about it, and then to
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Speaker 1: go on and then to go ask Dean. I was like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: at this point, you have to shut up right.
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Speaker 2: Well, and the whole Dean thing for me, like we're
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Speaker 2: going totally out of order. But that's okay, I gotta
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Speaker 2: I gotta say this. So the whole Dean thing for
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Speaker 2: me that spoke volumes about her relationship with Jess. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: because Jess is saying we didn't get in a fight,
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Speaker 2: we didn't get in a fight, we didn't get in
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Speaker 2: a fight, And Rory's like, you're lying, tell me the truth.
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Speaker 2: I don't believe you, and then Dean says exactly the
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Speaker 2: same phrase. Dean says, we didn't get in a fight,
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Speaker 2: and Rory's like, oh okay, like she believed right, she
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Speaker 2: wouldn't believe Jess. But when Dean says exactly the same thing,
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Speaker 2: and then She's like, oh okay, you know, carry on.
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Speaker 2: So I think that kind of that that lack of trust.
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Speaker 2: I mean, their their relationship is pretty much doomed from
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Speaker 2: the start because and she even says later in the
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Speaker 2: episode that she doesn't trust I forget how she phrased it,
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Speaker 2: but she said something about she doesn't trust Jess as
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Speaker 2: much as she trusted Dean, and she said that to Jess.
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Speaker 2: I mean, ye, that says a lot about the future
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Speaker 2: of their relationship. I think, yeah, but yeah, but I
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Speaker 2: thought it was a good episode. I really enjoyed.
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Speaker 1: It was a great episode. It was just yeah, she
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Speaker 1: she bugged me, which is weird because like, I feel
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Speaker 1: like I should have been more like on Rory's side,
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Speaker 1: but Rory was pissing me off, so I was like
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Speaker 1: I was a little bit more like, Okay, Jess is
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Speaker 1: being annoying, but like at least the like give it
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Speaker 1: a beat, like right, just wait to talk to him,
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Speaker 1: and also she I feel like she's also searching, yeah,
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Speaker 1: for a problem, right.
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Speaker 2: Well, And I feel like she's second guessing the way
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Speaker 2: that it all went down, that she basically broke up
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Speaker 2: with Dean because she checked out of that relationship, you know,
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Speaker 2: way before the dance marathon. I think she's just kind
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Speaker 2: of feeling bad about that and second guessing herself, like
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Speaker 2: did I make a mistake here? And so I think
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Speaker 2: you're right, she's kind of like like poking at it,
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Speaker 2: trying to see, wait, did I do you know? Did
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Speaker 2: I make a mistake here? Should I have stayed with Dean?
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Speaker 2: So she's almost like looking for something to be wrong
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Speaker 2: so that, you know, she can get out of it
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Speaker 2: or make a different decision. I don't know, but yeah,
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Speaker 2: I think she's definitely second guessing herself.
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Speaker 1: With that being said, I think Jess was very rude
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Speaker 1: to Emily.
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Speaker 2: I think Jess was himself.
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Speaker 1: I feel like, just how he is, he kind have
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Speaker 1: buttered it up a little bit, you know.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he could have been He definitely could
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Speaker 2: have spoken with a nicer tone of voice.
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Speaker 1: Like maybe that's it.
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Speaker 2: He was kind of snarly, yeah, but you know, he
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Speaker 2: answered her questions.
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Speaker 1: And with a she.
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Speaker 2: Wasn't gonna accept him no matter what, Like he could
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Speaker 2: have been super nice and tried to butter her up
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Speaker 2: and it wasn't going to make a difference. But yeah,
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Speaker 2: I mean Jess was Jess.
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Speaker 1: Yep.
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Speaker 2: But can I also say as crappy as Rory's behavior
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Speaker 2: was in this episode, her hair was on point. I
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Speaker 2: loved the curly hair. Yeah, I thought it was super
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Speaker 2: cute this entire episode.
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Speaker 1: Ye. Yeah, did you see the clown pillow?
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Speaker 2: I did? Yes, In right right before Alex in the
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Speaker 2: lor life, we kissing on the.
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Speaker 1: Porch, which like so awkward.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, that was a little clunky.
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Speaker 1: I know that when we watched this the first time around,
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Speaker 1: I think with Amy we were like, oh, we like
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Speaker 1: this relationship. That makeout scene maybe I don't know what
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Speaker 1: it was.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's so he was in it. So
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Speaker 2: I think we said last time he was only in
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Speaker 2: three episodes and this was I think this was the third. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: I feel like we didn't get enough of a chance
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Speaker 2: to really we don't have enough information to go on with.
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Speaker 1: He just started he just kind of like started dating
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Speaker 1: LAURALI Like it wasn't like Max Medina where we had
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Speaker 1: a build up. It's like, oh, okay, they're double dating
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Speaker 1: with going on double dates with Suki and yeah Jackson,
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Speaker 1: and like, okay, he's in the picture. I guess, all right, And.
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Speaker 2: And he comes off a little one dimensional, like he
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Speaker 2: just seems flat to me. And I don't know if
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Speaker 2: that's because we they I don't know why he was
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Speaker 2: only in three D episodes if he you know, because
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Speaker 2: I know he did Twilight, maybe he moved on to.
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Speaker 1: That and Twilight was way after this is two thousand
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Speaker 1: and three. Twilight had to be like two thousand and
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Speaker 1: seven or eight.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're probably right, So I'm not sure why it's
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Speaker 2: it's that arc got cut off so abruptly, but I
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Speaker 2: feel like they didn't really develop him very much, and
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Speaker 2: so it's kind of like he was just kind of boring,
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Speaker 2: Like I would have liked to have seen more of
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Speaker 2: them together to make a decision.
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Speaker 1: This might sound terrible, and I haven't seen that I
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Speaker 1: know of any of his other work. He kind of
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Speaker 1: has the same vibe in Twilight, so like like he
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Speaker 1: was he was Bella's dad in Twilight, and he was
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Speaker 1: just kind of like right, Well, they had the same feeling.
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Speaker 2: Super laid back, and I don't know if that's why
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Speaker 2: he seems flat to me, because he just isn't he
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Speaker 2: just he was.
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Speaker 1: More exciting in his first episode in my opinion.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I feel like we didn't really get enough
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Speaker 2: information to make a decision how we feel about.
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Speaker 1: Him because this was his last episode, right, Yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 2: They mentioned him again, but we don't see him again.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was it exactly.
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Speaker 2: They did give up. There was like a throwaway line
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Speaker 2: in one of these upcoming episodes where she's like, oh, yeah,
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Speaker 2: I don't see him that much anymore, and like they
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Speaker 2: tried to close that loop, but they didn't. Really.
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Speaker 1: That's what makes me think that he got a job,
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Speaker 1: because you wouldn't make her in such a legit relationship.
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Speaker 1: And then he's just he's a one word sentence in
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Speaker 1: another scene.
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Speaker 2: Right, I definitely get the feeling that was supposed to
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Speaker 2: have been more. Yeah, I didn't for whatever.
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Speaker 1: Reason, or maybe they just were like, eah, we're over it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I had one little tiny thing, uh in the first
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Speaker 1: kitchen scene, because there was two kitchen scenes, Okay, the
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Speaker 1: first one behind Lurli in the shelf is a to
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Speaker 1: Go coffee cup, and in the second time we're in
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Speaker 1: the kitchen, that coffee cup is not there. So it
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Speaker 1: made me think it was definitely someone's like side like
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Speaker 1: sides on set side little coffee.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's funny, Like Lauren.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you can literally see it behind her head, because
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Speaker 1: in my head I was like, I don't think she's
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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. The house is such a mess,
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Speaker 1: who knows, but I don't think she'd be putting her
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Speaker 1: to go coffee cup in that shelf. And so when
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Speaker 1: in the next kitchen scene, whatever it was, I don't
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Speaker 1: remember where in the timeline of the of the show,
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Speaker 1: but it's not there anymore.
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Speaker 2: That's funny. I didn't even notice that one.
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Speaker 1: I noticed it the first time and then so like
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Speaker 1: like the first scene, so then I kind of was
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Speaker 1: like fixated on like is it coming back?
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Speaker 2: That's funny. One thing I have to give credit to
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Speaker 2: my husband because he noticed this one I didn't. In
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Speaker 2: the opening, when they were talking about inviting Jess over
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Speaker 2: for dinner and Emily was talking about serving lamb and
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Speaker 2: Laura Lai even makes a comment about you know, it's
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Speaker 2: gonna be every It's gonna be nice for everyone except
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Speaker 2: the lamb. But then when he when Jess actually came
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Speaker 2: over for dinner, they had primary. I got that they're
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Speaker 2: gonna have lamb.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess not. By the way, a quick update
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Speaker 1: from our producer Jackie that Billy Burke was doing episodes
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Speaker 1: of this the series twenty four during two thousand and
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Speaker 1: two two thousand and three, and he was in seven episodes.
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Speaker 2: Oh, I didn't even know that. My husband watched that show. Religiously,
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Speaker 2: I didn't even know Billy Burke was in that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I never watched it, so probably overlapped. Yeah, this
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Speaker 1: episode aired February two thousand and three, so yeah, I
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Speaker 1: was filmed in twenty twenty two, which probably overlapped with
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Speaker 1: his twenty four schedule. Yeah, that's probably it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Interesting, I didn't even know that. Okay, well there
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Speaker 2: you go. So you learn something new every day.
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Speaker 1: YEA.
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Speaker 2: One other thing I noticed, and this is just kind
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Speaker 2: of a silly thing. So, speaking of the kitchen scene
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Speaker 2: in the first one, she makes some comment about Jim
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Speaker 2: Dunning is coming over I think to fix the garbage disposal,
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Speaker 2: and they've used that name before. Jim Dunning was in
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Speaker 2: when when Luke was on the roof of Lorelei's house
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Speaker 2: and she was trying to remember somebody.
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Speaker 1: He was supposed to fix something, right, I remember then it.
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Speaker 2: Was like the auto body guy or something, And Okay,
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Speaker 2: I don't know if that's like somebody that the writers knew.
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Speaker 1: Personally, like it may have been one of the writers,
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Speaker 1: who knows.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just thought it was funny that they repeated that.
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Speaker 1: He's just the repair man apparently. Yeah, at least they
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Speaker 1: were consistent with it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, let's see. So we also had what else
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Speaker 2: happened in this episode? So it was oh, so we
15:42
Speaker 2: also had Miss Patty's uh weird little show that that
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Speaker 2: Dean and Rory got sucked into watching, So that.
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Speaker 1: Was oh yes, how could we obflict my apologies to
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Speaker 1: the listeners? We watched two episodes this week, and I
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Speaker 1: thought that wasn't the second one, so I had a comment.
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Speaker 2: About that as well, Oh well, let's do it.
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Speaker 1: Which my comment was is, why wouldn't she tell Jess
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Speaker 1: that she saw Dean today?
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Speaker 2: See, I didn't think it was that big of a deal.
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Speaker 1: I think because of the history, she would have learned
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Speaker 1: her lesson. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Maybe, I don't know. I don't feel like she owes
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Speaker 2: just an explanation of her day. Though, I mean it
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Speaker 2: was it wasn't anything.
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Speaker 1: It wasn't bad. It wasn't like in the moment, I
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Speaker 1: didn't think it was like like when she sat down Exdeen,
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Speaker 1: I wasn't like, oh, she needs to like rush over
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Speaker 1: to tell Jess. I didn't think that. Then when it
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Speaker 1: was published in the newspaper, I was like, hmm, she
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Speaker 1: probably would. But then wouldn't you, like, I don't know,
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Speaker 1: with your with your partner, wouldn't you have a conversation like, oh,
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Speaker 1: what did you do today? Oh? I got dragged? And
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Speaker 1: also it was so outrageous, like, oh my god, Miss
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Speaker 1: Patty dragged us into this thing for four hours and
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Speaker 1: I saw Dean by the way, Like it wouldn't have
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Speaker 1: been like I don't think it had to be, hey, Jess,
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Speaker 1: we have to have a conversation I saw Dean today.
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Speaker 1: I think it could have been like, oh, like you
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Speaker 1: know today, like miss Patty dragged me into the thing
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Speaker 1: and then talk about this yeah, and then be like
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Speaker 1: by the way I saw Dean, so just the heads up, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I mean.
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Speaker 2: I guess I can see that. I just felt like
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Speaker 2: Jess was a little overly aggressive in being mad at
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Speaker 2: Rory that she didn't tell him right away, like it
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Speaker 2: was just and she even said, like they're friendly and
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Speaker 2: he knows they're friendly. They live in this little tiny town,
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Speaker 2: like they they're gonna run into each other. I just
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Speaker 2: feel like she had to report to him, you know, no,
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Speaker 2: I it just kind of rubbed me the wrong way.
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Speaker 1: I mean it was definitely like a what the hell,
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Speaker 1: like you can't trust each other. But then it goes
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Speaker 1: back to the thing of trust is Yeah, that's the
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Speaker 1: thing is. So he's keeping this swan I thing a
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Speaker 1: secret quote air quote secret. Yeah, and then she's kind
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Speaker 1: of keeping So it's like it goes both ways. Like, also,
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Speaker 1: why didn't you have a conversation with your Like I
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Speaker 1: just don't understand these two don't talk.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And it gets even worse in the next episode. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: it's just very noncommunicative, and you know, Rory is frustrated
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Speaker 2: by that but won't confront it.
18:30
Speaker 1: Yeah, like she's still trying to.
18:34
Speaker 2: I think she's still in the back of her mind.
18:36
Speaker 2: She's like, well, this is what I chose because I
18:38
Speaker 2: broke up.
18:38
Speaker 1: With Dean, so I'm stuck.
18:40
Speaker 2: So I'm stuck but at the same time she's like, ah, this,
18:43
Speaker 2: you know kind of sucks.
18:44
Speaker 1: I don't know, they just she likes certain parts of Jess.
18:48
Speaker 1: She doesn't like all of Jess.
18:50
Speaker 2: Yes, I absolutely, that's a good way to say it,
18:53
Speaker 2: Like they are intellectual equals. But then it kind of
18:57
Speaker 2: disintegrates after.
18:58
Speaker 1: That, which I think as someone who loves Jess, I
19:02
Speaker 1: think that's why we like Jess, because we blackout moments
19:06
Speaker 1: like these. Yeah, because at this moment I freaking hate him.
19:09
Speaker 1: Yeah he sucks, yeah, but because he's intellectually on the
19:13
Speaker 1: same like wavelength as her. It's that's the reason why.
19:17
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like they had that nice scene where they were
19:21
Speaker 2: sitting in the park and they were talking about books,
19:24
Speaker 2: and I made a note of it because it was funny.
19:26
Speaker 2: They were talking about a Venice Beach beat Nick, which
19:28
Speaker 2: made me laugh because later on Jess winds up on venue,
19:32
Speaker 2: which I thought was funny. But like, they had this
19:34
Speaker 2: nice conversation about this book, and you know, it was
19:37
Speaker 2: like good banter and they were, you know, on each
19:39
Speaker 2: other's level. But then it gets offset with some of
19:44
Speaker 2: the other shenanigans that that he especially in the next episode,
19:48
Speaker 2: but like he yeah, you're completely right. She likes parts
19:52
Speaker 2: of him and doesn't like other parts of him.
19:54
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I just have.
19:56
Speaker 2: To give Luke a shout out for knowing all of
19:59
Speaker 2: Loralli's clube when he was like, you have the black
20:03
Speaker 2: jacket and the red jacket, and you have three I
20:06
Speaker 2: don't even remember everything.
20:07
Speaker 1: But men don't remember that unless you like someone right exactly.
20:11
Speaker 2: I thought that was a cute little moment. He like
20:13
Speaker 2: listed off all.
20:15
Speaker 1: The Yeah, Luca's four outfits. He just rotates them, so
20:18
Speaker 1: I don't think he he's not paying attention to his own.
20:23
Speaker 1: That's very cute. Though.
20:34
Speaker 2: This was a good, solid episode. I thought we have uh, oh,
20:40
Speaker 2: we have the scene with missus Kim seeing the band
20:44
Speaker 2: that's right in the car. That was that was pretty fun.
20:47
Speaker 1: I was like actually holding my breath because I totally
20:50
Speaker 1: forgot about that scene and I was like, oh my god,
20:54
Speaker 1: she's ruining it. She's ruining it, like it's ruined, but
20:58
Speaker 1: the boys are so dumb that like, it was fine.
21:03
Speaker 1: And the way that my Kim was like she has
21:05
Speaker 1: a bit of a crush on you. At least she's observant.
21:09
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Dave's like totally playing it cool. That was
21:11
Speaker 2: me I did. Can I make one other call? I'm
21:15
Speaker 2: just looking at my notes the very last scene where
21:20
Speaker 2: they're sitting on Laureli's couch in the takeout food and
21:23
Speaker 2: again Rory's hair looks really good. But and Rory says
21:27
Speaker 2: that she tells Laurela she's been thinking about it, and yeah,
21:33
Speaker 2: I wants to know before it happens. But what the
21:40
Speaker 2: hell is that? Like that is so weird to me,
21:44
Speaker 2: Like I can't imagine telling one of my kids tell
21:48
Speaker 2: me before you have said you know what I mean,
21:50
Speaker 2: Like you make sure that they know the foundations of
21:53
Speaker 2: how to prevent disease and pregnancy and all that you
21:56
Speaker 2: don't need to know. I don't know. I can't imagine
22:00
Speaker 2: saying that.
22:01
Speaker 1: But that's how I took it. But I'm also the same,
22:03
Speaker 1: like that stuff is not a conversation I'm having or
22:06
Speaker 1: had with my with my with my mom, you know.
22:10
Speaker 1: But like I took it as hey, when you are
22:16
Speaker 1: ready to do it and if you need anything, let
22:20
Speaker 1: me in the sense of like this sounds okay, I'm
22:22
Speaker 1: not it makes sense in my head. Is not coming
22:24
Speaker 1: out properly, But like they have they never talked about
22:29
Speaker 1: the birds and the bees like you know what I mean, Like, yeah,
22:31
Speaker 1: that's what I took it as.
22:33
Speaker 2: Right, because they already because remember the whole Chiltern dance
22:40
Speaker 2: thing when Laurala thought that Dean and Rory spent the
22:43
Speaker 2: night together and they didn't. But she's like, you're going
22:46
Speaker 2: on the pill and blah blah blah. Yeah, yeah, they
22:48
Speaker 2: have this open relationship, and you would assume that Rory
22:52
Speaker 2: already knows about birth control and things also smart. Yeah,
22:56
Speaker 2: she's a senior in high school by now, so I
22:59
Speaker 2: assume that they've already had those conversations. So I didn't
23:02
Speaker 2: think that's what Laura I was saying at all. It wasn't.
23:05
Speaker 2: That's not how I read it as like, hey, let
23:09
Speaker 2: me know so that we can get you on birth control,
23:11
Speaker 2: because Rory said I'm thinking about it, Like that would
23:13
Speaker 2: have been the time right there to be like, okay,
23:16
Speaker 2: you know, let's.
23:17
Speaker 1: Well, maybe that was it she was thinking about it,
23:19
Speaker 1: but maybe it's like when you're ready to go on
23:21
Speaker 1: birth control, let me know, we'll get you worth like
23:23
Speaker 1: without saying it up front. It was a weird way
23:26
Speaker 1: of wording it that could have been. But yeah, you're right,
23:28
Speaker 1: I forgot she's a senior in high school. Senior in
23:30
Speaker 1: high school, people are I'm sorry, people are having sex
23:33
Speaker 1: in like ninth grade.
23:35
Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean look at Laura. She already had
23:37
Speaker 2: a kid by the time she was that age.
23:39
Speaker 1: I'm saying, like in general, like she doesn't need to
23:43
Speaker 1: learn about it is seeing everyone. I would say, like
23:46
Speaker 1: eighty percent of the senior classes probably if not done it,
23:52
Speaker 1: they know about it.
23:54
Speaker 2: And I just didn't understand, like because Rory is saying
23:57
Speaker 2: right now, she's saying, I'm thinking about it, So why
24:01
Speaker 2: does she need to tell Loralai again when she decides to,
24:05
Speaker 2: Like that is just weird to me.
24:08
Speaker 1: See, I thought I think I was thinking more of
24:10
Speaker 1: like not when she says not right before, like that, like, yeah,
24:14
Speaker 1: what are you gonna do like making out with your boyfriend?
24:16
Speaker 1: You're gonna call hey mom, it's about to happen. Click,
24:19
Speaker 1: go have sex. Like that's the part where I was like,
24:21
Speaker 1: that's weird. But now that you like, actually we break
24:24
Speaker 1: it down, like yeah, it was weird life She's like.
24:26
Speaker 2: No, don't say right before, but just before. But that's
24:29
Speaker 2: what Rory's doing now, it's before and she's telling her.
24:32
Speaker 1: Is that a way of the network like trying to
24:36
Speaker 1: like not talk about You have to remember this is
24:40
Speaker 1: two thousand and three. Like, I feel like shows now
24:44
Speaker 1: there's a lot more talk about having sex in high school,
24:48
Speaker 1: but in two thousand and three it was kind of
24:50
Speaker 1: and it's a family show.
24:51
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know, we've already talked in season one
24:53
Speaker 2: about her going on the pill.
24:55
Speaker 1: No, I know, but I'm saying about protection. So like
24:58
Speaker 1: I wonder if like and also so if someone's watching
25:01
Speaker 1: season one, I'm sorry, someone's watching season three, it's two
25:05
Speaker 1: years after season one. Yeah, so maybe that maybe the
25:08
Speaker 1: network needed some kind of like if you are having
25:13
Speaker 1: sex at a young age, talk to your parents. I
25:15
Speaker 1: wonder if that's what it was.
25:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe I don't know.
25:20
Speaker 1: It was a weird because sometimes networks have a certain
25:24
Speaker 1: say in scripts when it comes I don't know, I
25:27
Speaker 1: don't know everything for sure, but I do know that
25:29
Speaker 1: like when it comes down to that stuff, they can
25:31
Speaker 1: change scripts based on what they do, you know what
25:35
Speaker 1: I'm saying, like based on like their their guidelines. Yeah,
25:40
Speaker 1: for that show, because if it's also in like you know,
25:43
Speaker 1: if it's a show at eight o'clock, that's going to
25:46
Speaker 1: be different than what's airing in a show at ten o'clock.
25:49
Speaker 2: Right, so it's true.
25:50
Speaker 1: Yeah, but very weird. I agree with you.
25:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just a weird interaction. Like I can't
25:55
Speaker 2: imagine having that conversation with my kid. It would be like, hey,
25:58
Speaker 2: you know, if you're thinking about doing this, here's what
26:01
Speaker 2: you need to.
26:01
Speaker 1: Know just tomorrow tomorrow afternoon.
26:03
Speaker 2: Yeah, not be like tell me. I don't know. It
26:06
Speaker 2: just wasnge.
26:09
Speaker 1: I mean, I get there close, but I don't know
26:10
Speaker 1: if we needed that that moment anyway.
26:16
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay.
26:19
Speaker 1: On that note, Uh, next week we're going to be
26:22
Speaker 1: talking about season three, episode fifteen, face Off. We'll see
26:26
Speaker 1: next week.
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