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The Bible Matrix | Dustin Blystone · The Week in Bible Prophecy

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Speaker 1: The Week in Bible Prophecy, a Prophecy Watchers podcast.
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Speaker 2: Well, welcome to the podcast today everyone. We are here
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Speaker 2: with Dustin Blistone. We're gonna be talking about some fun
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Speaker 2: stuff as it relates to God's Word and we would
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Speaker 2: not be surprised that there are absolutely phenomenal details at
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Speaker 2: how God has organized the Bible, and we're gonna get
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Speaker 2: into some of that. But before we do, certainly want
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Speaker 2: to remind everybody about our upcoming conference that is happening
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Speaker 2: October ninth through twelve, Prophecy Conference down in Norman, Oklahoma,
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Speaker 2: available very soon as well. It's gonna be an awesome time. Again.
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Speaker 2: Things are always moving fast in this in this especially
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Speaker 2: this year. Of course, I don't think it's going to
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Speaker 2: get any less next year. But I'm sitting here with
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Speaker 2: Gary and Dustin, so welcome Dustin and Gary.
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Speaker 3: And it's pleasure to be here with Dustin because Dustin
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Speaker 3: is well. Can we say a deep thinker, and I
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Speaker 3: really appreciate that you have gone, I think, to a
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Speaker 3: new level of a Bible study in your recent books.
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Speaker 3: And this one has a title on it that we
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Speaker 3: need to discuss. It's the title is metacosm. And everybody's going, oh, no,
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Speaker 3: I don't want to hear about metacosm. That's got to
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Speaker 3: be boring, not at all, right.
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Speaker 1: I think it's fascinating. And first of all, thank you
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Speaker 1: Mondo and Gary for having me and hosting me here.
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Speaker 1: And I'm excited to talk about metacosm and the Isaiah
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Speaker 1: matrix and the order and structure of God's.
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Speaker 2: Word as as I like to do. Is you know
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Speaker 2: what is metacosm? Like you know in the sense of
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Speaker 2: right here on the cover you have metacosm, you have macrocosm, mesocosm, microcosm.
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Speaker 2: Them explain that so that we're all on the same page.
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Speaker 1: Right, Well, I would just say a microcosm is kind
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Speaker 1: of like an exam perfect example biblical is the Book
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Speaker 1: of Isaiah sixty six chapters, each chapter correlating with its
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Speaker 1: corresponding Bible book, the sixty six books of the Bible
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Speaker 1: in canonical Bible book order. And so when you see
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Speaker 1: that as a Isaiah as a microcosm of the Bible,
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Speaker 1: it's like a miniature world. And then a macrocosm is
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Speaker 1: just the big picture. The Bible in relation to the
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Speaker 1: Book of Isaiah would be the macrocosm. Isaiah is the microcosm.
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Speaker 1: The Bible itself would be the macrocosm. I label mesocosm
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Speaker 1: as just like a corporate microcosm, like the nation of
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Speaker 1: Israel as a group of believers, or the Church as
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Speaker 1: a corporate group of believers. But all of these different
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Speaker 1: groups individually personally Israel as a corporate group and the
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Speaker 1: Church is a corporate group. We're all adding towards the metacasm,
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Speaker 1: the beyond world, the eternal realm where God has paid
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Speaker 1: the purchase price to bring us into His presence through
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Speaker 1: the Bood of Christ.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you think, you know, we talk about physics,
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Speaker 2: and then we talk about you know, physics is the
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Speaker 2: physical world. And then at least in philosophy, when I
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Speaker 2: took it. They call it metaphysics. We don't really say
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Speaker 2: that anymore. But metaphysics is beyond. The word meta as
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Speaker 2: a Greek preposition to be beyond something. And so in
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Speaker 2: this sense, as you know, cosmos is the Greek word
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Speaker 2: for a world. So this is beyond the world. This
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Speaker 2: is again as you mentioned, so this is it's the
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Speaker 2: kind of the the when you pull back the veil
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Speaker 2: again when you think about again physics, you're there. You
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Speaker 2: can knock on wood. But metaphysics is the soul and
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Speaker 2: the spirit other things that sometimes is unseen in a
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Speaker 2: very direct way. But so you have here, I mean
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Speaker 2: again the book. We have a couple books on the table,
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Speaker 2: at least the metacosm again, which is this was first
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Speaker 2: right or at least before the Isaiah matrix, and so
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Speaker 2: the the kind of give us an maybe give us
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Speaker 2: an overview of what led to this book. And again
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Speaker 2: I also like to I want people to know you,
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Speaker 2: so as you talk about you and what you've been
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Speaker 2: doing for you know what your career was and kind
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Speaker 2: of how that developed your brain so to speak, or
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Speaker 2: just your interest leading into this book Metacaism.
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Speaker 1: Oh sure, well I was a teacher, I was a
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Speaker 1: high school teacher and taught all kinds of different computer
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Speaker 1: science subjects like computer programming, computer tech, computer networking. And
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Speaker 1: I also prepared my students for pre engineering, particularly electrical engineering,
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Speaker 1: and I used to make them audit this online course
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Speaker 1: from MIT by professor and not Agerwall, and he had
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Speaker 1: a way of showing how in electrical engineering, the way
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Speaker 1: that you make all these complex devices and systems is
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Speaker 1: that you discretize and abstract into layers of abstraction. So
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Speaker 1: you basically take this element and abstract it out and
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Speaker 1: just focus on that, and then you build upon that
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Speaker 1: with the next one, and then you build upon that
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Speaker 1: with the next thing. And it goes from the laws
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Speaker 1: of physics to the components that make up of electrical devices,
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Speaker 1: to the programming software that controls them, and so on
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Speaker 1: and so forth. And so I did definitely have I
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Speaker 1: was teaching that in twenty twelve. That's when I started
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Speaker 1: doing that and making all my students out at that course.
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Speaker 1: And when I did that, of course, the whole time
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Speaker 1: I was a Bible teacher, and I was thinking about, well,
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Speaker 1: these discretizations can they apply to the Bible? And as
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Speaker 1: I was teaching through the book of Joshua. That's exactly
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Speaker 1: what happens. I started seeing. Oh, Exodus builds upon Genesis,
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Speaker 1: and the Viticus builds upon that, and then Numbers builds
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Speaker 1: upon that. And it's telling the progression of a story
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Speaker 1: of the life of Israel, but as the macrocosm, if
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Speaker 1: you will so cause them, and then it's also telling
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Speaker 1: the story of the life of an individual believer, because
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Speaker 1: just like they came out of bondage in Egypt through
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Speaker 1: their deliverer Moses, through the Passover Lamb, we come out
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Speaker 1: of bondage to the world through our deliver Jesus Christ,
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Speaker 1: as he is the passover Lamb. And as we apply
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Speaker 1: the blood of His blood on the doorposts of our hearts,
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Speaker 1: we can receive the Holy Spirit and we can start
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Speaker 1: on this journey that models the journey that Israel took.
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Speaker 1: So they start in bondage, they get delivered out of bondage,
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Speaker 1: then they get introduced to God's standards that they're supposed
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Speaker 1: to live by. They don't immediately adopt those standards because
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Speaker 1: they start rebelling and they start saying, you know, well,
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Speaker 1: I I don't like this. It's hard to live by faith,
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Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, I was a slave in Egypt, but
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Speaker 1: at least I knew where my next meal was coming.
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Speaker 2: I knew onions, right, these.
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Speaker 1: Things, you know, we have these luxury.
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Speaker 2: And attachments as well.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, worldly attachments. Never mind the fact we were slaves,
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Speaker 1: right and the So there's that dichotomy there of enjoying
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Speaker 1: being delivered but then recognizing the responsibility of being delivered
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Speaker 1: into salvation, into relationship with God. And so Numbers is
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Speaker 1: forty years of wandering in the desert while God is
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Speaker 1: weaning them off of the egypt way and onto His way.
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Speaker 1: The whole time they're camping in the shape of across
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Speaker 1: the Chicago, glory is coming down upon the camp and
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Speaker 1: the tabernacle, and ultimately he's preparing them in Deuteronomy with
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Speaker 1: a series of sermons to go have victory and form
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Speaker 1: their own nation. And so as they do that in
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Speaker 1: the Book of Joshua, what I love is this concept
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Speaker 1: of the fact that as they come into the Promised
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Speaker 1: Land and have victory, they're conquering giants that used to
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Speaker 1: intimidate and dominate them, and so they used to be
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Speaker 1: scared of them, and now they go in and just
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Speaker 1: march in and wipe them out, and it reminds me
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Speaker 1: of the exact same thing that happens with Peter. Is
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Speaker 1: he's originally terrified, but when his Joshua Yeshua Jesus had
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Speaker 1: died and then resurrected from the grave. Now Peter suddenly
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Speaker 1: on the day of Pentecost, it's like the baptism in
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Speaker 1: the Holy Spirit, and now he is in the streets
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Speaker 1: of Jerusalem preaching his first sermon and getting three thousand
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Speaker 1: people saved. He's no longer afraid, and just like they
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Speaker 1: experienced that. One of the things you can see in
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Speaker 1: Metacosm is that look at where you are on your
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Speaker 1: Christian walk. Are you still in the number are you
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Speaker 1: in the exodus stage of your Christian walk? Have you
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Speaker 1: just come out of Egypt. That's a great place to be,
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Speaker 1: But are you wanting to go and be fully established
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Speaker 1: and be empowered for service or are you in that
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Speaker 1: stage where you're in the wilderness, wanting to hide from
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Speaker 1: God's standards and not really move forward in your faith.
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Speaker 1: So you can actually use this not just as an
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Speaker 1: academic study and a prophecy study, but you can use
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Speaker 1: it as a personal sanctification and discipleship a program using
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Speaker 1: the books of the Bible to do it.
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Speaker 3: You know, pastors all over the world teach that the
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Speaker 3: Bible is a system. You know, it's not just a
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Speaker 3: bunch of words thrown together or chapters or books. Really
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Speaker 3: it has a system. And we talk about systematic theology.
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Speaker 3: But the thing that I'm amazed at when I read
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Speaker 3: your books is that you've taken this to a whole
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Speaker 3: new level. You've gone beyond systematic to showing that what
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Speaker 3: the Lord does he does on many levels. In other words,
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Speaker 3: you've taken it to a multi level point of view.
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Speaker 3: And so when I pick up my Bible. Speaking practically,
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Speaker 3: we all say to ourselves, I should read the Bible more.
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Speaker 3: Let's see what should I read? And then you go
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Speaker 3: through this. We've all had this process what should I
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Speaker 3: read today? After reading your books, suddenly I'm saying, if
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Speaker 3: I read this portion of the Bible, it's also going
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Speaker 3: to take me to this portion over here, because the
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Speaker 3: Bible is a whole system. And I find myself encouraged
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Speaker 3: to read the Bible more often after looking at what
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Speaker 3: you're doing. In other words, you recognize patterns, and you
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Speaker 3: have done more than recognize them, You systematize them and
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Speaker 3: that's phenomenal.
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Speaker 1: Amen, and I'll praise an honor and glory to God.
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Speaker 1: But as you were talking, it reminds me of one
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Speaker 1: of my favorite talking points on this system of understanding,
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Speaker 1: because if you look at the twenty second book of
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Speaker 1: the Bible, it's a song of Songs, and it's this
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Speaker 1: beautiful picture of the intimacy that Christ wants to share
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Speaker 1: with his church, modeled in the marriage of Solomon to
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Speaker 1: his wife. And so as you contemplate that, notice that
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Speaker 1: that's the twenty second book. It's the poetic book.
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Speaker 3: There he goes again, Notice that's the twenty second book. Okay,
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Speaker 3: now who notices that. I'manda, this is the thing that's
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Speaker 3: excited me after reading your books. Don't let me interrupt.
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Speaker 1: No, that's good, that's good. But when you see that
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Speaker 1: like this is it's also the last letter of the
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Speaker 1: Hebrew alphabet, the top of the twenty second letter of
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Speaker 1: the Hebrew alphabet. And so when you get to when
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Speaker 1: you start to the next book, it starts over again.
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Speaker 1: The olift book is Isaiah. So if you count up
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Speaker 1: from there, the next twenty second book is the Book
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Speaker 1: of Acts. Now, remember Song of Songs, twenty second book
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Speaker 1: it's the book modeling the marriage, of the marriage relationship,
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Speaker 1: the intimacy that Christ has with his church. Now, the
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Speaker 1: Book of Acts is the invitation the Gospel. The purchase
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Speaker 1: price for the bride has been made in the invitation
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Speaker 1: goes out to the entire world all who are willing,
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Speaker 1: all have fallen short, but all are also invited to
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Speaker 1: come and have apply the purchase price of the blood
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Speaker 1: of Christ to themselves and become engaged to him Christ.
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Speaker 1: And then if you go on from there, what's the
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Speaker 1: next twenty second book the Book of Revelation, where you
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Speaker 1: have the consummation of the marriage and the Book of Revelation.
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Speaker 1: So you have the marriage as outlined in a prefigure
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Speaker 1: or a poetic type, the invitation to the marriage goes
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Speaker 1: out in the Book of Acts, and then that marriage
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Speaker 1: actually happens in the Book of Revelation.
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Speaker 3: So you've done more than just a divide the Bible
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Speaker 3: into three parts. You have showed how things are linked
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Speaker 3: together to form a large scale pattern, which I think
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Speaker 3: most of us miss.
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Speaker 1: When I found it, I mean, when I started researching
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Speaker 1: this and finding it, I was blown away that nobody
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Speaker 1: had noticed it. Because once you notice it, it's something
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Speaker 1: that once you see you can't unsee it. And then
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Speaker 1: then the Isaiah Matrix. What that does is it shows
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Speaker 1: the correspondence now between Isaiah Chapter twenty two corresponding to
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Speaker 1: Song of Songs, Isaiah chapter forty four corresponding to Acts
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Speaker 1: in Isaiah sixty six corresponding to Revelation book sixty six.
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Speaker 1: And so when you see and at the end of
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Speaker 1: the Isaiah Matrix, you'll see I have what's called a
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Speaker 1: books in chapters in parallel section. So it'll show you
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Speaker 1: the three columns of for instance, twenty two, Song of Songs,
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Speaker 1: Acts and Revelation and also Isaiah twenty two, forty four
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Speaker 1: and sixty six, and you can contrast and compare all
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Speaker 1: the themes that are brought out in that.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and Mondo, this is not over anybody's head once
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Speaker 3: you really see what's happening. It's simple it is. It's
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Speaker 3: a numerical system, and it doesn't involve big numbers or
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Speaker 3: algeb bruh or anything like that. It's just how does
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Speaker 3: this fit with this, fit with this? And then suddenly
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Speaker 3: your eyes are open and you see, Wow, my God
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Speaker 3: is bigger than I thought was. This is amazing.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's natural. I think there's natural. These are natural
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Speaker 2: questions in the sense of sitting down and looking at
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Speaker 2: sixty six books, and I think some people will have
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Speaker 2: a they might get caught up in and go, oh, well,
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Speaker 2: there's you know, there's thirty nine in the Old Testament
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Speaker 2: in twenty seven in the News. So they kind of
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Speaker 2: they separate it there, right. But yet, as you you know,
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Speaker 2: is well known, Isaiah's is separated very clearly and stuff.
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Speaker 2: Even that scholars, which I'm not saying I agree with them,
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Speaker 2: but some scholars will talk about two different Isaiahs, you know,
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Speaker 2: one writing the first thirty nine and be able to
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Speaker 2: writing the second. But you know, the kind of the
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Speaker 2: documentary hypothesis idea. But nevertheless, if we look at it
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Speaker 2: unified rather than thirty nine and twenty seven, but looking
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Speaker 2: at sixty six and then making a connection, well, if
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Speaker 2: you divide that by three, you get twenty two, which
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Speaker 2: is again the Hebrew alphabet. Me I'm just reminded of
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Speaker 2: of I think of Proverbs sixteen thirty three. You know
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Speaker 2: that it's just this, it'll challenge somebody's theology in that
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Speaker 2: it says that when somebody throws the dice, so to speak,
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Speaker 2: or the lot that every decision is from the Lord,
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Speaker 2: which shows you that with God he is, he's in charge,
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Speaker 2: he's managing, he's overseeing, he's providentially the details. The other
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Speaker 2: verse that comes to my mind is Matthew ten, where
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Speaker 2: I believe it's verse twenty nine, and Jesus says he's
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Speaker 2: talking about fearing God, and he says the very hairs
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Speaker 2: on your head are numbered or determined, depending on how
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Speaker 2: you want to take the phrase. But then he says,
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Speaker 2: not even a sparrow falls to the ground apart from
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Speaker 2: the Father, and that in some versions will say apart
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Speaker 2: from the Father's will, but the word will isn't in there.
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Speaker 2: It just says, literally in Greek, a sparrow to the
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Speaker 2: ground apart from the Father. And so that challenges your
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Speaker 2: theology as well, going wait a minute, not that God
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Speaker 2: causes evil, and that's not what I'm saying, but God
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Speaker 2: is providential over all things and even the sparrow. Like
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Speaker 2: you know, you're driving down the road, and I'm sure
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Speaker 2: many of us we've hit a bird. I remember I
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Speaker 2: hit a bird one time and my daughter freaked out
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Speaker 2: and I said, well, it's Matthew ten twenty nine, I said,
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Speaker 2: God must have wanted us to hit the bird, because
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Speaker 2: that bird isn't gonna lane, It isn't going to be
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Speaker 2: fall to the ground and be dead apart from God's
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Speaker 2: somehow superintendents on it. Now, if all that's true in
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Speaker 2: this grand theological sense, of course you could talk about
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Speaker 2: the problem of evil and other things, and that's for
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Speaker 2: a different time, but that we can build this very
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Speaker 2: clear theology of the Lot of the Sparrow and then go, yeah,
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Speaker 2: but God really didn't care how many chapters were in
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Speaker 2: the book or you know, that was all middle aged stuff.
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Speaker 2: He didn't really care about the order. That's just random
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Speaker 2: humans did that. He didn't really care. He didn't have
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Speaker 2: anything to do with it.
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Speaker 1: I addressed that for us, right, And I've run up
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Speaker 1: against that a lot of theologians and even pastors and
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Speaker 1: teachers that have challenged me on this, and I just
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Speaker 1: challenge them right back, and I say, well, read the
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Speaker 1: evidence that I have produced here through the deep study
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Speaker 1: of this order and structure that I found and that
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Speaker 1: the Lord led me to bring out. So this isn't
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Speaker 1: really it's not my work. It's just me looking at
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Speaker 1: what God has done. This is nothing new. It's just
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Speaker 1: showing that this has always been there, this zoomed out
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Speaker 1: structure of the Bible, if you zoom out and took
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Speaker 1: a thirty thousand foot overview and you want to look
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Speaker 1: at it.
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Speaker 3: Well, man, I'd like to interrupt at this point because
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Speaker 3: as you're talking, the Bible has sixty six books and
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Speaker 3: the Hebrew alphabet has twenty two letters, and you read
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Speaker 3: the Bible all your life, and does it ever pop
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Speaker 3: into your head, but hey, there are three twenty two's
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Speaker 3: in this Bible, in the structure of the Bible, And
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Speaker 3: the answer would be no, because most people don't think
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Speaker 3: of the Bible as a structure. They think of it
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Speaker 3: as a series of books or verses without really suddenly
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Speaker 3: having the vision that this is a unit that is
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Speaker 3: built in a complex way by a complex mind. And
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Speaker 3: once we become conscious of that fact, I think it's
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Speaker 3: going to motivate us to move more and more into
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Speaker 3: the Word of God.
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Speaker 2: Well, I want to say something that too, And then
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Speaker 2: you continue your thought, is you know, I remember I
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Speaker 2: preached years ago through the Book of Lamentations. It's very difficult,
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Speaker 2: actually kind of difficult to preach because it's pretty down.
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Speaker 2: It's a doubt it, right, but you look at it,
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Speaker 2: and in Hebrew it's quite crystal crystal clear in that
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Speaker 2: it's twenty two letters, twenty two letters, twenty two letters,
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Speaker 2: twenty two letters. About chapter five, yeah, is sixty six. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: so you have three sets and so here you have again,
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Speaker 2: well that's that's that's absolute intentionality, that there was a
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Speaker 2: pattern there. But in the third you have triple It
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Speaker 2: wasn't forty four, right, it wasn't. It wasn't eighty eight,
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Speaker 2: it was sixty six. And so what does that mean?
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Speaker 3: And that's a great question. What does that mean?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? So, and it helps you, it helps you kind
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Speaker 2: of understand a little bit of what is written there.
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Speaker 2: Again in Hebrew, it's really fun. It's to see. But
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Speaker 2: then it comes back to this, Well, they were just
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Speaker 2: looking at those chapters and they decided to put a
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Speaker 2: verse here, and then once they saw the verses there,
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Speaker 2: then they decided, well, oh that's longer, let's just divide
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Speaker 2: that into times three to sixty six, which that's not
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Speaker 2: how a reason Hebrew. But but so you have this
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Speaker 2: this accusation that in the Middle Ages there was this
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Speaker 2: random people just putting putting numbers on there make it
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Speaker 2: easier to memorize. So address that right.
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Speaker 1: Well, well, first just the brainstorming off of what you
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Speaker 1: said about Lamentations. Just to show another example. First, so
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Speaker 1: if you look at Leviticus, it's book three, it's the
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Speaker 1: third book of the history. And this is where in
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Speaker 1: divine instruction from God. The whole book of Leviticus is
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Speaker 1: dictated by God directly to Moses, letter by letter. And
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Speaker 1: then and what is it. It's God's holy and righteous standards.
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Speaker 1: Now fast forward to Lamentations, which is the third book
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Speaker 1: of the prophets Isaiah, Jeremiah, Lamentations. Now think about this.
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Speaker 1: In Lamentations, their permanent temple is now lying in ruin
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Speaker 1: because they fail to keep His standards. And then go
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Speaker 1: to the third book of the New Tests, the Epistles,
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Speaker 1: I should say, Second Corinthians, is where it says without
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Speaker 1: God's holy Spirit, it's impossible for us to keep his standards.
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Speaker 1: And so you see the relationship between those three books.
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Speaker 1: But speaking to the accusation that you were mentioning regarding
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Speaker 1: this concept that, oh, you can't have chapters and verses
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Speaker 1: those all were added later, and really they weren't okay.
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Speaker 1: And this is something that I finally in my Isaiah
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Speaker 1: Matrix book, at the end, I have a section called
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Speaker 1: a Final Response to Critics and they sayers and challenges,
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Speaker 1: and in that section I detail a lot of research
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Speaker 1: that I did showing that actually by the scholars themselves.
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Speaker 1: We're talking about professional commentators. I use EW. Bollinger as
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Speaker 1: an example. So in E. W. Bolinger's Companion Bible, he
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Speaker 1: does a verse by verse commentary of the entire Bible,
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Speaker 1: and many professional commentators have done that well, even in
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Speaker 1: his own words and in all the professional commentator's words
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Speaker 1: that address this subject. They will get down and they'll say, oh,
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Speaker 1: the chapters were added later. And the reason they say
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Speaker 1: that is because they'll come to a particular chapter like
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Speaker 1: Isaiah chapter four is a perfect example, and they'll say, oh,
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Speaker 1: because of some contextual reasons and some historical context and
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Speaker 1: this that or the other, we you know, I believe
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Speaker 1: this chapter actually ends a few verses later, and they'll say,
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Speaker 1: showing that by their reasoning, they say, oh, these chapter
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Speaker 1: breaks that Stephen Langton, the Archbishop of Canterbury, implemented in
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Speaker 1: twelve oh five ad are not divine. However, in each
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Speaker 1: and every case, you can make an argument that Langton
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Speaker 1: actually had the chapter division exactly where it's supposed to be,
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Speaker 1: So you could counter argue all those theologians. But the
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Speaker 1: real point is this, when you really get down to
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Speaker 1: it and you study it, all the ones that I
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Speaker 1: looked at in every example I found, I could only
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Speaker 1: find I couldn't find more. I use a very liberal estimate.
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Speaker 1: I'm going to say this is a very liberal estimate.
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Speaker 1: Fifty a total of fifty disputes about chapter placement. And
22:52
Speaker 1: when you think about that, the eighty nine nine chapters
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Speaker 1: of the Bible only fifty disputes. That means all the
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Speaker 1: professional commentators actually are in ninety six percent agreement that
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Speaker 1: the chapters are exactly where they're supposed to be. Because
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Speaker 1: they are because when you look at each chapter outlined
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Speaker 1: in terms of its chiastic structure, it is a perfect
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Speaker 1: series of thoughts of introversion or alternation ABBA or ABC
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Speaker 1: CBA or whatever it might be. Each chapter is designed
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Speaker 1: that way, and so when you take a look at
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Speaker 1: that and you see it, you can say, oh, well,
23:29
Speaker 1: this person had a thought that this chapter should have
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Speaker 1: ended later or not. And it might have been a
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Speaker 1: good thought based on the way they were thinking. But
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Speaker 1: the reality is that God has placed his book divisions,
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Speaker 1: his chapter visions, and his verse divisions exactly where he
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Speaker 1: wants them. And you know, the idea that he just
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Speaker 1: initially inspired the prophets kind of like the clockmaker and
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Speaker 1: then walked away and said, okay, you guys, it would
23:54
Speaker 1: be kind of like I give an example, like Michaelangelo.
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Speaker 1: Did he just paint all of these incredible paintings and
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Speaker 1: walk away and say, okay, you guys throw him up
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Speaker 1: on the systeine chop or wherever you want, just random
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Speaker 1: shotgun style, Or did he have a plan of an
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Speaker 1: order and structure like this goes here, this goes here,
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Speaker 1: And God's not allowed to do that himself.
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Speaker 2: You know, it would be unlike God, not honestly, with
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Speaker 2: all the care that he has. You know, we were
24:25
Speaker 2: talking to another quantum physics and all the all these
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Speaker 2: all the things that ever needed. He's in the details,
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Speaker 2: and he'd be like, ah, yeah, I just with my
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Speaker 2: eternal word, I just didn't care. That just seems so
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Speaker 2: unlike the situation exactly.
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Speaker 1: And so that's why I mean, I've I've provided a
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Speaker 1: massive amount of evidence to show the correspondence between the
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Speaker 1: three sets of twenty two, also the sixty six of
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Speaker 1: Isaiah mirroring the sixty six of the Bible, and then
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Speaker 1: the pandemic nature of each one. And so the real
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Speaker 1: exciting part from me is when I was going through this,
24:59
Speaker 1: I I didn't really form an eschatology for quite a while.
25:04
Speaker 1: When I received salvation, it was actually through Chuck Missler's
25:07
Speaker 1: Genesis series from his original nineteen ninety one Genesis recordings
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Speaker 1: Old It was in my mid mid twenties when that happened.
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Speaker 1: And so that happened, I was forever, I mean for
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Speaker 1: years and years, even after I became a Bible teacher,
25:26
Speaker 1: I was fascinated with creation. Was I became a Young
25:30
Speaker 1: Earth creationist, and I was fascinated by studying creation and genesis.
25:34
Speaker 1: That was my That was really my focus. And back
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Speaker 1: at the time when I started developing this, I would
25:41
Speaker 1: classify myself. It used to be a joke, you know.
25:43
Speaker 1: They would say, well, what are you pre made or
25:45
Speaker 1: proost or whatever, and I would say, well, I'm the
25:47
Speaker 1: pan you know, pan trip. Just wait and see how
25:49
Speaker 1: it all pans out. And I really didn't have an eschatology.
25:51
Speaker 1: I didn't really care because I was so enamored with
25:54
Speaker 1: Genesis and the creation that was that fascinated me. To
25:58
Speaker 1: see that Genesis could actually be is entered in an
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Speaker 1: intelligent way with you know, a genius like Chuck Missler,
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Speaker 1: and that it could be real, that this is real
26:10
Speaker 1: and the Bible is literally true, that fascinated me. And
26:13
Speaker 1: so I say that to say that when I started
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Speaker 1: this work on this book, I hadn't it really yet
26:17
Speaker 1: developed on eschatology. And so when I really started digging
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Speaker 1: into this, the amazing thing is is that the order,
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Speaker 1: the thematic order of the books of the Bible, actually
26:29
Speaker 1: lays out the exact construct of the premillennial, pre tribulation
26:35
Speaker 1: rapture viewpoint of eschatology. And you can see that in
26:38
Speaker 1: the Book of Ruth, book eight with a gentile bride
26:43
Speaker 1: mirroring or Jewish consumer Deemer right before the Kingdom age begins.
26:46
Speaker 1: And then you see the book eight of the Prophets Amos,
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Speaker 1: two years before the earthquake, a shepherd or from Taca
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Speaker 1: to CoA means trumpets. And so if you look at Amos,
26:59
Speaker 1: there's a multititude of examples given in here of how
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Speaker 1: it's a rapture and rapture after math book. And then
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Speaker 1: first Thessalonians, the eighth book of the Epistles, the doctrine
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Speaker 1: of the rapture. And then if you look at the
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Speaker 1: next set, okay, look at the next set, and you
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Speaker 1: see for Samuel a picture, a story, a history of
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Speaker 1: a king that looked head and shoulders above the rest.
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Speaker 1: They clamored after him. God said you don't want this.
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Speaker 1: They said, no, we do, and he said, no, you don't.
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Speaker 1: He's going to do all these things, and they say, no,
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Speaker 1: we want him. So he gives it to them and
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Speaker 1: saw ends up being a disaster, a type actually of
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Speaker 1: the anti Christ starting the kingdom h And then Obadiah,
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Speaker 1: the ninth book of the Prophets, is actually about an Edomite,
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Speaker 1: an idio man who drinks and profanes on God's holy
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Speaker 1: mountain in Zion. And we know that like Herod for example,
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Speaker 1: was a prefigure, that he's an idio man who profaned
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Speaker 1: God's precious city. And then you have second Thessalonians, the
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Speaker 1: ninth book of the Thistles, and that's where you see
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Speaker 1: the anti Christ displaying himself as being God. And then
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Speaker 1: if you just carry it forward and you look at
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Speaker 1: the millennium or the look at the second Coming in
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Speaker 1: Second Samuel. And then Jonah is a really interesting one.
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Speaker 1: This one's really cool if you look at it. First
28:16
Speaker 1: of all, Jonah Yonah mean means dove. It means dove
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Speaker 1: in scripture. So what is the dove symbolic of the
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Speaker 1: Holy Spirit and the endwelve presence of the Holy Spirit
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Speaker 1: in us? And and in the Bible. What is one
28:30
Speaker 1: of the titles of the Antichrist, the Assyrian, that's one
28:33
Speaker 1: of his premier titles is the Assyrian. And so think
28:36
Speaker 1: about Jonah from this zoomed out perspective. You have Yonah.
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Speaker 1: In other words, where are we at this time during
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Speaker 1: the anti Christ? We're in heaven after the raptor of
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Speaker 1: the Church, but what where do we where do you
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Speaker 1: think we do don't want to go Like it's like
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Speaker 1: we are not going to want to come back after
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Speaker 1: we've been in heaven the blood bath of of horror show.
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Speaker 1: And so it's a picture, it's actually a typological picture
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Speaker 1: of us not wanting to go back. And who is
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Speaker 1: Jonah preaching to the king of Assyria, the Assyrian? And
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Speaker 1: so if you if you look at that construct, you
29:13
Speaker 1: can actually see that Jonah is like a type of
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Speaker 1: the church not wanting. I mean, we're gonna go back,
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Speaker 1: of course when Christ commands it, but I can imagine
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Speaker 1: that we're probably not really gonna want to because after
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Speaker 1: being in our mansions, you know that He's prepared a
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Speaker 1: place for us and so on. But then if you
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Speaker 1: look at you know, the next book of the Bible,
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Speaker 1: book order in the Apostolic books, which is actually, let
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Speaker 1: me see make sure I get this right. Yeah, it's
29:48
Speaker 1: first Timothy. So on, Timothy, what is it? It's all
29:52
Speaker 1: about the leadership, right, the leadership of church. But who
29:57
Speaker 1: we're going to be the leaders of the millennium. It's
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Speaker 1: going to be the church. We are going to be
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Speaker 1: the ones that He appoints with him over the earth.
30:04
Speaker 1: And you can just keep going. A perfect example is
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Speaker 1: like Ezra and Hagi. Notice that Ezra is this fifteenth
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Speaker 1: book of the history all about rebuilding the temple. Hagi
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Speaker 1: is the fifteenth book of the prophets rebuilding the temple.
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Speaker 1: And I have a really cool illusion to take two
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Speaker 1: times too much time to do it here. But James
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Speaker 1: is like a picture of us becoming the fullness of
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Speaker 1: the temple, because our faith and our works become one
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Speaker 1: once our works are perfect representation of our faith. It's
30:35
Speaker 1: where we can tabernacle directly with God without beating a temple.
30:39
Speaker 1: And then if you look at Neamiah Rebuilding Jerusalem, Zechariah,
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Speaker 1: what happens. That's the book we're currently teaching in our
30:45
Speaker 1: Monday night live stream. Verse by verse through Zechariah. The
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Speaker 1: Lord's revealing some amazing things. But Niamia there rebuilding Jerusalem, Zechariah.
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Speaker 1: Christ comes back and reforms and reshapes the topology and
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Speaker 1: topography of Jerusalem.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Crazy.
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Speaker 1: And then look at first Peter, we are the living
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Speaker 1: stones that may actually make up the inhabitants of the
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Speaker 1: new Jerusalem. So when you look at the pandemic nature
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Speaker 1: of the sixteenth book, sixteenth book, sixteenth book, fifteenth book,
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Speaker 1: fifteenth book, fifteenth book, whichever one you want to look
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Speaker 1: at it, it's like a patrinity of the concept of
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Speaker 1: that stage of progression of God's plan for Man, Israeli,
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Speaker 1: the nations.
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Speaker 3: Wow, and you haven't finished your study. I mean from
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Speaker 3: listening to you, it sounds like you're going to do
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Speaker 3: this the rest of your life, and you will never
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Speaker 3: run out of material.
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Speaker 1: Oh, definitely, not, definitely not.
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Speaker 3: This is amazing and I have seen bits and pieces
31:44
Speaker 3: of this over the years, modo and marveled at the
31:50
Speaker 3: way the Bible is constructed, but I've never gone as
31:53
Speaker 3: deep as this, you.
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Speaker 2: Know, And we've only kind of touched on the Metacosm.
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Speaker 2: And then but if I put this next to the
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Speaker 2: Isaiah Matrix, Isaiah Matrix is a little bit more thorough.
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Speaker 2: So talk about the Isaiah matrix. And because this is
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Speaker 2: your most recent book, and just in what in the
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Speaker 2: last year, right, just a.
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Speaker 1: Little bit less than a year ago, I finished it
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Speaker 1: in September of twenty twenty four. And so basically all
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Speaker 1: it seeks to do is integrate my first book and
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Speaker 1: Metacosm into a unified, comprehensive whole. So the concept is,
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Speaker 1: of course, with the Isaiah biblical microcosm that you have
32:34
Speaker 1: Genesis Book one correlates or corresponds to Isaiah chapter one,
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Speaker 1: Exodus Book two, Isaiah chapter two, the Viticus Book three,
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Speaker 1: Isiah chapter three, and so on. But that was kind
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Speaker 1: of more of an academic study, and when I got
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Speaker 1: to Metacosm, it showed the really clearly showed that there's
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Speaker 1: a discipleship aspect to God developing his people and preparing him,
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Speaker 1: preparing them for the consummation of the age. But then
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Speaker 1: there's the prophetic side, and so it's like eight books.
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Speaker 1: Then you have a nine, and it's interesting eight eight eight.
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Speaker 1: You know the rapture, but we know that the geometrical
33:09
Speaker 1: value of the name of Jesus Christ is just like
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Speaker 1: the Antichrist is sixty sixty six, Jesus Christ is eight
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Speaker 1: eight eight. But then nine is always the number that's
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Speaker 1: used of judgment in the Bible. So all the ninth
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Speaker 1: books are like the anti Christ, false prophet and him
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Speaker 1: declaring himself being God, demanding worship in the temple. And
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Speaker 1: so when you look at all those tandemic relationships, it's
33:32
Speaker 1: really fascinating to then go and say, well, if the
33:37
Speaker 1: Isaiah relationship is there and the Metacosm relationship is there,
33:43
Speaker 1: then Isaiah matrix is just basically merging the two. So
33:46
Speaker 1: now I should be able to go to Isaiah chapter one,
33:50
Speaker 1: Isaiah chapter twenty three, in Isaiah chapter forty five and
33:56
Speaker 1: see the relationship between Genesis, Isaiah, and the Book of
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Speaker 1: Romans in tandem with each other. So it's really fascinating.
34:04
Speaker 1: And in the back of the book, I have this
34:08
Speaker 1: kind of like an appendix, but it's really if you
34:11
Speaker 1: want to take a snapshot of all of this, take
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Speaker 1: a snapshot of it and just look at it. In
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Speaker 1: three column views. I have it here Genesis, Isaiah, Romans,
34:21
Speaker 1: Isaiah one, Isaiah twenty three, Isaiah forty five, and these
34:24
Speaker 1: are what I call the alph books and the alph
34:27
Speaker 1: Isaiah chapters alif being the first letter that he Brew aphabet.
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Speaker 1: So just to give you a quick idea of this,
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Speaker 1: Genesis is the pre eminent book of history, Isaiah is
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Speaker 1: the pre eminent book of prophecy. Romans is the pre
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Speaker 1: eminent book of doctrine. And so you have God's creation
34:46
Speaker 1: recounted in detail Genesis one and two. God prophesies to
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Speaker 1: his creation in Isaiah one two, and man is well
34:52
Speaker 1: without excuse for God's hand He work through his creation
34:54
Speaker 1: as evidence itself for his existence and his attributes, as
34:57
Speaker 1: well as his moral mandates and precepts. This chapter one
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Speaker 1: and two, you have the prefigure of christ sacrifice in
35:03
Speaker 1: Genesis twenty two, the prophecy of Christ sacrifice in Isaiah
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Speaker 1: fifty three, and the purpose of christ sacrifice. In Romans five,
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Speaker 1: you have in the beginning God created the heavens and
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Speaker 1: the earth. In Genesis. Isaiah opens with listen to heavens
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Speaker 1: and hero or if the Lord speaks, And in Romans
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Speaker 1: one to eight, faith is being proclaimed throughout the whole earth.
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Speaker 1: You have Sodom and Gomora, judged than Genesis. God's people
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Speaker 1: are referred to derogatorily by God as being no better
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Speaker 1: than Sodom and Gomora paphthetically speaking in Isaiah one to nine.
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Speaker 1: And then you have homosexual behaviors condemned by God and
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Speaker 1: given as the primary he hedonistic outcome of God's abandonment wrath.
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Speaker 1: In Romans one, Israel is formed by God through Abraham,
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Speaker 1: Isaac Jacob and his twelve sons. Israel is rebuked by
35:43
Speaker 1: God and chastised by God, yet has also promised redemption
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Speaker 1: in the future through their Messiah. Many chapters in Isaiah,
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Speaker 1: and God through Paul proclaims that he has not finished
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Speaker 1: with Israel after the church age is complete in Romans
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Speaker 1: nine through eleven, where he says, after the after the
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Speaker 1: two the Gentiles, all Israel will be saber. Romans eleven
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Speaker 1: twenty five gentile nations are established in Genesis ten. Gentile
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Speaker 1: nations are chastised and rebuked, and judgment has proclaimed against
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Speaker 1: them in Isaiah, and salvation has now been proclaimed to
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Speaker 1: all the gentile nations Romans one. And throughout the rest
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Speaker 1: of the book you have Satan's deception brings tentation, grief, confusion,
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Speaker 1: and strife in Genesis three through fifty. Satan's origins are
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Speaker 1: recounted in his eventual doom, and the doom of his
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Speaker 1: instrumental nation of instrumental nations is prophesied in Isaiah fourteen
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Speaker 1: four through twenty. And we are promised that Satan would
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Speaker 1: be crushed under our feet in Romans sixteen twenty. And
36:37
Speaker 1: so it just goes on and on and on. You
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Speaker 1: see the trinity of relationship.
36:41
Speaker 3: You see the Bible as a structure. But I'd like
36:46
Speaker 3: to present a sort of a question to you. You
36:50
Speaker 3: meet a young Christian, but maybe at the bus station whatever,
36:55
Speaker 3: and you get into a conversation and Jianity comes up
37:01
Speaker 3: and you learn that he's been a Christian about five
37:04
Speaker 3: years and he knows a little about the Bible, but
37:07
Speaker 3: not a lot. And he asks you, you've studied the
37:11
Speaker 3: Bible a long time. What is it? I mean, when
37:16
Speaker 3: you really look at this book, what is the Bible?
37:21
Speaker 3: And through your eyes, how are you now seeing the Bible?
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Speaker 1: Well, primarily even beyond the structure that speaks to some people,
37:31
Speaker 1: But I just see the Bible as God's love letter
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Speaker 1: to each and every one of us. So ultimately it
37:40
Speaker 1: always is that and always remains to be his love letter.
37:43
Speaker 1: And so I don't want to take, you know, structures
37:46
Speaker 1: and architecture and engineering aspects of it to usurp the
37:53
Speaker 1: primary purpose of his word, which is a love letter
37:55
Speaker 1: to us.
37:56
Speaker 3: And I'm glad you said that that, you know, I'm going, ah,
38:00
Speaker 3: I love to hear that the Bible is a love
38:03
Speaker 3: letter to me. It's not something that is so complex
38:07
Speaker 3: that it's way way over my head. But it does
38:10
Speaker 3: have complexity. It does.
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Speaker 1: It does. And I like to I borrow an adage
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Speaker 1: that I heard Chuck Missler say, and I actually put
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Speaker 1: it in the intro to the book, and the adage
38:21
Speaker 1: I adapted it. It's really made to the Gospel of John,
38:24
Speaker 1: but I think by extension it can expands to the
38:27
Speaker 1: entire Bible. And that is that it's you know, it's
38:31
Speaker 1: shallow enough for a child to wait in, but it's
38:37
Speaker 1: also deep enough for an elephant to bathe in, and
38:41
Speaker 1: vast enough for a person to swim in, but also
38:45
Speaker 1: expansive enough for a blue whale to live in. So,
38:50
Speaker 1: in other words, it says it adapts to you in
38:54
Speaker 1: terms of where you're at in your walk. It's a
38:57
Speaker 1: living word, it's a living doc.
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Speaker 3: I'm really glad you said that. Yeah, and I'm sitting
39:03
Speaker 3: over here to say, ah, that is so refreshing because
39:08
Speaker 3: you can get lost in complexity and say, oh, I
39:11
Speaker 3: could never understand that. I'm just going to turn around
39:14
Speaker 3: and go home. But it's it's way more than complexity.
39:18
Speaker 3: The Bible is God's love letter to humanity is so
39:23
Speaker 3: well put. I love that.
39:25
Speaker 2: I think it comes back to like, you know, here
39:27
Speaker 2: we are, you know, this week where there's been you know,
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Speaker 2: down towards you floods, you know, and over one hundred
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Speaker 2: people dead, you know, flash flood. And I was preaching
39:39
Speaker 2: at church this last Sunday and I was talking, I
39:44
Speaker 2: happened to talk about the Book of Job and it
39:46
Speaker 2: was just you know, providential. But it reminds me of
39:50
Speaker 2: that when you get to Job thirty eight, you know,
39:54
Speaker 2: through forty one, God begins to ask Job some questions, right,
39:59
Speaker 2: you know, and Job throughout his he started off really well,
40:04
Speaker 2: but then, as you know, he was kind of wearing
40:06
Speaker 2: down and he starts accusing God of injustice, demanding an
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Speaker 2: answer from God, and I want you to give an
40:12
Speaker 2: account for what you're doing in my life. And so
40:17
Speaker 2: God starts asking him all these questions, right, and were
40:20
Speaker 2: you there for this? Were you there for that? Can
40:22
Speaker 2: you manage this? Can you manage this? And so all
40:24
Speaker 2: that To say, when I look at this and this
40:29
Speaker 2: is this is I'll tell you what I get out
40:31
Speaker 2: of it is that this is like a pattern of
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Speaker 2: the Book of Job to me in that when I
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Speaker 2: get into that heavy, really difficult grief where it might
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Speaker 2: be either family or we're just looking in life or
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Speaker 2: the problem of evil, and then I start questioning God
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Speaker 2: or wondering if God's there. God's going to say, did
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Speaker 2: you know how I organized my book? And He's going
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Speaker 2: to go, did you know on twenty two? This? And
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Speaker 2: twenty two over here and in eight eight eight? And
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna like, no, I didn't know what about did
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Speaker 2: you know I did this? Did you know what? And
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna like I didn't know that, He goes, look,
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Speaker 2: I organized it all, and yeah, you didn't know any
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Speaker 2: of that. But don't you think I have your life organized?
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Speaker 2: And so this is just another proof of what we
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Speaker 2: see those questions in the Book of Job. Did you
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Speaker 2: know A, B and C about the creation et cetera? No,
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Speaker 2: did you know this about the Word of God? This
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Speaker 2: this canonical set of sixty six books. And most people
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Speaker 2: are gonna go no. But so to me, this is
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Speaker 2: like again another element of that love letter of God's
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Speaker 2: kindness to say, listen, if it's not for everybody in
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Speaker 2: this sense, right again, Jesus loves me this, I know
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Speaker 2: of what the Bible tells me. So it can be
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Speaker 2: that simple. But if you want, how deep you want
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Speaker 2: to go? Right and so, but that depth, that that
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Speaker 2: intentionality of how He's designed it all is just another
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Speaker 2: testimony that I think he has the rest of the
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Speaker 2: world figured out. I might not understand why he allows evil.
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Speaker 2: I will maybe one day, but in the meantime that
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Speaker 2: doesn't Just because there's evil doesn't mean he's not active
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Speaker 2: in his own purposes. And there not only does he
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Speaker 2: have a purpose in creation and redemption, but also in
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Speaker 2: the word of God here to me, I just sit
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Speaker 2: back and I'm just in awe. I mean, as Missler
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Speaker 2: what I would say, we're just in awe of the
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Speaker 2: majesty of what God has done. And it's in.
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Speaker 3: And well, my way of following that up is to say,
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Speaker 3: you don't have to read this book, but read it
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Speaker 3: if you're the least bit curious, because this will open
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Speaker 3: doors that you never even thought of. And I really
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Speaker 3: appreciate what you've done. I mean, it's God is a
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Speaker 3: loving God, but he's also the most precise beyond is
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Speaker 3: there a word beyond precise, I don't know, but but
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Speaker 3: he he has a system that we can only barely understand.
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Speaker 3: And you have shown us this and I really love that.
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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I took for my personal reflection on what
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Speaker 1: you guys just shared is just a it did it.
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Speaker 1: It took the Lord, working through Chuck Missler to get
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Speaker 1: to me. And so I just pray that you know,
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Speaker 1: this is kind of like my gift of trying to
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Speaker 1: bear that fruit that was born through him and me
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Speaker 1: to others who have minds like that, because some people,
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Speaker 1: you know, love is a hard concept for them to grasp,
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Speaker 1: and that they actually love structure and order and designed
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Speaker 1: integrated systems and things like that. And when you see
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Speaker 1: that the Bible is an integrated communication system that sparks
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Speaker 1: love in some people. It helps them to see, oh,
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Speaker 1: this is how God communicates to me through you know,
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Speaker 1: these perfect structures and designs. And so it's just fascinating.
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Speaker 1: And you know, I wanted to share one more just
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Speaker 1: concept for everybody, and that is, you know, the these
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Speaker 1: trinity of books. I don't think about this that Exodus,
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Speaker 1: the second book of the Bible, and the second book
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Speaker 1: of the History. It's where God's people are taken out
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Speaker 1: of bondage. Right now, think about Jeremiah second book of
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Speaker 1: the Prophets. God's people had experienced the freedom and the Kingdom,
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Speaker 1: the glory kingdom, and shortly after Solomon dies in the
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Speaker 1: kingdom fractures. You have God, through Jeremiah in the second
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Speaker 1: book of the Prophets, warning his people that they're about
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Speaker 1: to go back into bondage. But then First Corinthians and
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Speaker 1: Paul gives the instruction that if we abuse our liberty
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Speaker 1: in Christ, we can end up back in bondage. So
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Speaker 1: you see the trinity of relationship there that there's a
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Speaker 1: there's a historical concept, a prophetic concept, but then on
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Speaker 1: a personal application.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you're talking about the number two, right, which
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Speaker 3: is division number one, you unity number two vision, and
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Speaker 3: so you have three examples of division, right. And I'm
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Speaker 3: sitting here saying, wow, you know, and the more you talk,
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Speaker 3: the more excited I am about going back and seeing
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Speaker 3: something I've never seen in my Bible before. Wow, it's great.
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Speaker 1: Well, I was actually, yeah, one one last thought came
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Speaker 1: to me because I was reading. I was trying to
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Speaker 1: see if I could also show relationship to you know,
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Speaker 1: to personalize it. And I was I was going back
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Speaker 1: and looking and reading the book that I got from
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Speaker 1: you at the last conference, the Red Heifer, and I
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Speaker 1: was looking at that and okay, well, what where is that?
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Speaker 1: It's numbers book for where the prescription for this ceremony
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Speaker 1: is detailed. And so that's when they had the Holy Spirit,
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Speaker 1: the child kind of glory, you know, on the camp
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Speaker 1: and God is detailing this prescription for this ceremony to
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Speaker 1: cleanse the people and so in order to read to
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Speaker 1: build the temple. And so if you look in Ezekiel,
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Speaker 1: that's book for the prophets, that's where the Chakaina, glory left,
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Speaker 1: it departed from them because they had abandoned you know,
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Speaker 1: God's precepts and his ordinances. And then Galatians, you know,
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Speaker 1: I love in your book where in the Red Heifer,
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Speaker 1: where you're talking about, well, it's kind of hard to
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Speaker 1: go through this because it's like we know, prophetically it's
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Speaker 1: going to happen, but they're actually making an error because
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Speaker 1: they're going back to religion. And so what is Galatians
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Speaker 1: all about? Book four? Don't go back, don't go back
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Speaker 1: to the old way once you receive the grace of
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Speaker 1: well of God. And then what does Galatians end with?
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Speaker 1: You know, or towards the end of the Galatians you
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Speaker 1: have the fruit of the spirit, the love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
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Speaker 1: and gentleness and self control. And so you see the
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Speaker 1: you know, the these trinities, trinity of relationships, and in
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Speaker 1: each thing it can expand and help people explore their
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Speaker 1: own studies. So if you're really into studying, for instance,
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Speaker 1: the book of First Samuel, you know, you can go
47:10
Speaker 1: to First Samuel, go to Obadiah, go to Second Tessalonians,
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Speaker 1: and you can use the Isaiah matrix and or metacosm
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Speaker 1: to enhance the focus of what you're studying.
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Speaker 3: More precisely, we call ourselves the Prophecy Watchers MONDO and
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Speaker 3: that's what we do. And we bring people in who
47:30
Speaker 3: help us to understand the Bible not just as a
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Speaker 3: book of wonderful sayings or the story of Jesus, but
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Speaker 3: as a marvelous system that God himself created. And you
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Speaker 3: can become a part of that system. And you're going
47:50
Speaker 3: to help us understand what the system is and how
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Speaker 3: it operates. And I love that.
47:55
Speaker 2: Now you think of the Gospel and again, as you
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Speaker 2: quoted Missler, it's you can open it up and you
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Speaker 2: can a child can read it. And that that is
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Speaker 2: that is the core right. And we know that there's
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Speaker 2: a lot of differences of opinion on a lot of
48:09
Speaker 2: other you know again, second, third, fourth layer doctrines, but
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Speaker 2: the Gospel is what is the most important. That's what
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Speaker 2: it gets people saved. But then again God invites us
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Speaker 2: in relationally and He's put this book here and says
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Speaker 2: how deep do.
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Speaker 3: You want to go?
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Speaker 2: And uh, again, this this isn't needed for salvation, but
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Speaker 2: it's a testimony to the majesty of God and his
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Speaker 2: brilliance and and I mean we can't fathom it. Right,
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Speaker 2: of course we're finite creatures, but even there, you know
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Speaker 2: the mathematical genius and that the thing, mister would say,
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Speaker 2: the fingerprints of the Holy Spirit, you know, are all
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Speaker 2: over these things. So well, us has been good. Thanks
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Speaker 2: for thanks for joining us today. Gary, here we are
48:51
Speaker 2: and uh metacasm the Isaiah Matrix. And again we care
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Speaker 2: to check out the website. You can if you're interested
48:57
Speaker 2: in the stuff. It's fascinating. It'll blow your mind. And
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Speaker 2: as I always appreciate your prayers for what we do here,
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Speaker 2: we would love to get at the end of the day.
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Speaker 2: We love to present the gospel, but also to show
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Speaker 2: the amazing power of the Word of God and the scripture.
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Speaker 2: It is inspired, it's infallible all the way to the end.
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Speaker 2: So thanks for listening and we will catch you next time.