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Episode Two Hundred Seventy Eight: Billy Joel's Sperm · The Death Of Journalism

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Speaker 1: Welcomed episode two hundred and seventy eight of the Death
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Speaker 1: of Journalism podcast.
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Speaker 2: My name is John Zigler. I'm your host of today's show.
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Speaker 1: Here we go again, another very controversial immigration shooting death
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Speaker 1: in Minnesota. The Davos Meeting of World Elites provides lots
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Speaker 1: of interesting content.
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Speaker 2: A Timothy Bussfield update.
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Speaker 1: How the media is letting Taylor Swift off the hook
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Speaker 1: on the Blake Lively lawsuit, more on the sad state
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Speaker 1: of college sports, and the upside down world of the NFL.
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Speaker 1: Stop me if you've heard this before, but there was
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Speaker 1: a very controversial immigration related shooting death in Minnesota. This
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Speaker 1: time a male nurse by the name of Alex Pretty
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Speaker 1: was shot and killed by DHS agents. This just a
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Speaker 1: week or so after a woman by the name of
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Speaker 1: Renee Good was shot and killed by ice AI agents.
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Speaker 1: All of this, of course caught on multiple videos. And look,
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Speaker 1: I'm not going to go through the level of detail
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Speaker 1: like I did with Renee Good, which I concluded was
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Speaker 1: probably legally justifiable but morally not justifiable. I mean pretty
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Speaker 1: much the same camp on the Pretty situation, although I
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Speaker 1: actually think the Pretty situation is worse for a couple
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Speaker 1: of reasons, mainly because of the way that Christy Noan
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Speaker 1: and the Trump administration effectively lied about what happened. Where
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Speaker 1: we have Christy Noan claiming that there was evidence, essentially
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Speaker 1: that this guy was a would be school shooter, that
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Speaker 1: he showed up with a gun with the intent to
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Speaker 1: kill lots of people. There is absolutely no evidence of
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Speaker 1: that whatsoever, and.
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Speaker 2: That lie, to me, is always wrong.
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Speaker 1: But it also indicates that you're trying to cover up
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Speaker 1: for the fact that you know that your guys screwed up.
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Speaker 1: You're trying to justify something that cannot be justified by
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Speaker 1: the known facts. We also have this related to the
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Speaker 1: gun that Preddy was carrying and which was taken away
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Speaker 1: from him apparently.
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Speaker 2: Before he was shot. We have the Second Amendment hypocrisy issue, where.
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Speaker 1: All of a sudden, now Trump fans and alleged conservatives
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Speaker 1: and Republicans are saying, oh, you can't show up to
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Speaker 1: this kind of a situation with a gun, even though
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Speaker 1: it's perfectly legal with the permit that he had for
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Speaker 1: the gun.
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Speaker 2: What happened to gun rights?
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Speaker 1: We threw those out in an attempt desperately to justify
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Speaker 1: this killing of Alex. Pretty now Christy Noman has been
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Speaker 1: under fire, not literally figuratively obviously for her.
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Speaker 2: Response to this.
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Speaker 1: John Fetterman, senator from Pennsylvania, who is effectively a Republican
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Speaker 1: at this point, as approval rating among Republicans is better
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Speaker 1: than it is among Democrats in his state at Pennsylvania,
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Speaker 1: he has called for Nome to be fired or to resign.
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Speaker 1: Lisa Murkowski, Republican alleged senator. I think Betterman might be
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Speaker 1: more of a Republican than Murkowski at this point, but
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Speaker 1: alleged Republican senator from Alaska has said similar things about Gnome.
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Speaker 2: It appears as if Trump is at.
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Speaker 1: Least standing by Gnome to a certain degree now, although
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Speaker 1: it does feel as if she's getting a soft demotion
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Speaker 1: on this situation. The leadership hierarchy seems to have changed
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Speaker 1: in Minnesota with regard to immigration enforcement, which I have
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Speaker 1: no problem with because I think Christy nom is in
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Speaker 1: over her head. I think she lied, and I don't
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Speaker 1: think that this shooting was justified, certainly not morally. And
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Speaker 1: if you're on the fence on this, here's a pro tip.
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Speaker 1: If justifying a shooting by a law enforcement agent requires
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Speaker 1: a football style play review with an extreme level of scrutiny,
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Speaker 1: and there's no clear and convincing evidence that the shooting
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Speaker 1: was justified.
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Speaker 2: That's a pretty good sign it wasn't justified.
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Speaker 1: If you're reduced to being a Buffalo Bill's fan trying
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Speaker 1: to figure out how it was really a catch and
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Speaker 1: not an interception, then the shooting was probably not at
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Speaker 1: least morally justified. And that's where I am, and by
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Speaker 1: the way, it appears as if that's where President Donald
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Speaker 1: Trump is, because Donald Trump has now effectively condemned both
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Speaker 1: shootings in very Trumpian ways. But with regard to which
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Speaker 1: shooting was worse, the first one with Renee Good or
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Speaker 1: the second one with Alex pretty Trump answered that question
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Speaker 1: in the way only Trump could possibly do. He is
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Speaker 1: apparently judging which shooting was worse, which death was worse,
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Speaker 1: based upon the basic principle of Trump world, the primary
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Speaker 1: principle of Trump World, as explained here by the President
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Speaker 1: of the United States himself.
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Speaker 3: It's pretty unusual, but nobody knows when they saw the gun,
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Speaker 3: how they saw the gun, everything else. At the bottom
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Speaker 3: lineer was terrible. Both of them were terrible. The other
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Speaker 3: was terrible too, And I'm not sure about his parents,
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Speaker 3: but I know her parents were big Trump fans. Makes
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Speaker 3: me feel bad anyway, but I mean, I guess you
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Speaker 3: could say even worse. They were tremendous Trump people, trum
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Speaker 3: Trump fans. And you know the daughter was she was.
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Speaker 3: I don't know if you could say radicalized. Maybe radicalized,
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Speaker 3: maybe not. I don't know, but I hate to see it.
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Speaker 3: I hate to see that.
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Speaker 1: There you have it, folks, Trump morality wrapped up in
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Speaker 1: one statement. We have two shootings, two deaths, but it appears,
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Speaker 1: at least according to Trump, that the first next one
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Speaker 1: was worse than the second one, not because of the
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Speaker 1: facts on the ground of the circumstances surrounding.
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Speaker 2: It, but because, to his knowledge, the.
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Speaker 1: Parents of Renee good were Trump fans, and therefore that
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Speaker 1: makes it inherently worse. Not making this up, you just
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Speaker 1: heard it for yourself. I'm still not one hundred percent
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Speaker 1: convinced that he is not mixing up Renee Goods parents
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Speaker 1: with Renee Goods former in laws back when she was
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Speaker 1: a heterosexual having children with a man before she turned
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Speaker 1: into a lesbian. But that's not really that relevant at
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Speaker 1: this point. The point is that this is the way
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Speaker 1: the president of the United States views reality. This is
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Speaker 1: the way he views right and wrong, this is the
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Speaker 1: way he views morality, and it's completely and obviously.
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Speaker 2: Totally fucked up.
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Speaker 1: I mean, that's the way you would view it in
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Speaker 1: the world of a monarchy. Were they pro king or
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Speaker 1: anti king? Oh my god, we killed someone who's parents
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Speaker 1: were pro king.
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Speaker 2: That is a real travesty.
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Speaker 1: That's a tragedy, right there, folks, which of course is
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Speaker 1: completely ridiculous. Now I don't know which one was worse
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Speaker 1: legally or morally. I just know that I'm done with
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Speaker 1: this issue. I'm done with everything on this. I'm done
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Speaker 1: with Minnesota, which I'm gonna get to momentarily. I've done
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Speaker 1: with the liberal reaction and virtue signaling to this, the
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Speaker 1: media reaction. But I'm also done with this kind of
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Speaker 1: thing happening because it is one wrong.
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Speaker 2: People that are shouldn't be dying or dying.
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Speaker 1: But in a bigger picture, it's really bad politics, and
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Speaker 1: it was always inevitably going to be really bad politics.
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Speaker 1: I've warned about this four years. I used to warrn
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Speaker 1: about this back when I was a radio talk show
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Speaker 1: host in Los Angeles, where obviously illegal immigration is a
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Speaker 1: massive issue, and the it would always come up about,
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Speaker 1: you know, the fantasy, which I always felt was a
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Speaker 1: fantasy of massive of deportation efforts. And my line of
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Speaker 1: thinking was always, I'm.
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Speaker 2: Sorry, folks, it's too late. The cancer is too large.
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Speaker 1: You can't remove this cancer from the host because it's
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Speaker 1: gonna be too painful, it's gonna be too messy. And
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Speaker 1: that was before we had the ubiquitous cell phone era.
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Speaker 1: In an era where everybody has a cell phone, it
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Speaker 1: is not possible to do immigration enforcement in a significant
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Speaker 1: way without causing bad things to happen. It's inevitable, especially
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Speaker 1: when you have people that may not be properly trained,
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Speaker 1: like those that were in the DHS situation and maybe
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Speaker 1: the Ice situation it was. It's inevitable, especially when you
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Speaker 1: have the entire media industrial complex, or most of it,
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Speaker 1: and this incredibly strong liberal activist group basically waiting and
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Speaker 1: hoping for law enforcement to screw grew up, whether real
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Speaker 1: or imagined, or so that they can create videos that
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Speaker 1: make things look bad. And we have this very telling
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Speaker 1: and frustrating phenomenon when it comes to public opinion on
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Speaker 1: illegal immigration.
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Speaker 2: In theory even to this day.
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Speaker 1: There was a poll out a couple days ago, even
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Speaker 1: to this day, even after these horrendous episodes, a slim
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Speaker 1: majority of Americans are in favor of cracking down on
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Speaker 1: illegal immigration.
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Speaker 2: In theory, in theory.
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Speaker 1: But they're also against the actual execution of that effort. Well,
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Speaker 1: that's because, first of all, it's human nature that people
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Speaker 1: are always very much more in favor of something in
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Speaker 1: theory than they are in practice, especially when there's pain
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Speaker 1: or messiness involved.
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Speaker 2: But to be more specific, we have.
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Speaker 1: A whole bunch of political moderates right who aren't kind
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Speaker 1: of against illegal immigration and theory, they're against it, but
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Speaker 1: they get emotionally impacted, understandably so by these horrible videos
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Speaker 1: of people in two different situations getting killed where it
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Speaker 1: doesn't appear as if they needed to be killed. And oh,
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Speaker 1: by the way, they weren't even illegal immigrants. So this
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Speaker 1: is always going to be the case, which was why
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Speaker 1: I never felt like Trump would follow through. But in
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Speaker 1: a weird way, He's actually followed through in the worst
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Speaker 1: possible way politically, because we've had a.
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Speaker 2: Very small number of deportations.
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Speaker 1: I've talked constantly about how nothing has fundamentally changed here
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Speaker 1: in southern California, so we've had minimum impact with regard
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Speaker 1: to deportations, but maximum political damage when it comes to
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Speaker 1: the perception of what is happening here.
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Speaker 2: That's the worst case scenario.
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Speaker 1: You're The best case scenario is you do this as
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Speaker 1: quietly as possible. In my view, you go after employers,
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Speaker 1: and so therefore people self deport That's the only politically viable.
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Speaker 2: Way to do this.
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Speaker 1: But Trump doesn't want to go after employers, So and
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Speaker 1: we do this show, this song and dance that inevitably
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Speaker 1: is going to get out of hand, especially when you have.
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Speaker 2: Liberal activists who know what the game is.
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Speaker 1: There's so much blame to go around here, but they
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Speaker 1: know they're trying to provoke a bad situation. Now, did
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Speaker 1: Alex Pretty want to die? I don't think he wanted
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Speaker 1: to die. I don't think he anticipated dying. But a
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Speaker 1: large portion of the liberal activists who are you claiming
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Speaker 1: to be very outraged and upset about this, are actually
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Speaker 1: quietly quite thrill that this has happened, not specifically to
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Speaker 1: Pretty or the Good, but they that they now have
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Speaker 1: the moral high ground on this issue.
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Speaker 2: They're now the victims. Victimhood is the ultimate position.
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Speaker 1: To be in in America, especially if you're a liberal
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Speaker 1: and the virtue signaling that has gone on in response
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Speaker 1: to all of this has been off the charts. I
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Speaker 1: mean Jimmy Kimmel crying on his ABC TV show again.
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Speaker 1: The NBA canceling basketball games. We had, you know, the
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Speaker 1: first shooting, we had the schools being canceled in Minnesota.
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Speaker 1: Now we got the NBA team in Minnesota canceling basketball games,
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Speaker 1: which is just completely acidine. The NHL, interestingly did not
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Speaker 1: cancel their home game in the aftermath of the Pretty death,
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Speaker 1: but the NBA, they have to virtue signal, so they
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Speaker 1: canceled the WNBA, of course, which is all about virtue
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Speaker 1: signaling doing all sorts of insane things.
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Speaker 2: In response to these shootings.
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Speaker 1: The Australian Open tennis tournament has become basically the press conferences.
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Speaker 2: Have become like MSNBC.
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Speaker 1: Some of the tennis players have tried to resist these
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Speaker 1: absurd questions from these super woke reporters that are making
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Speaker 1: it sound like the United States is the is Nazi
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Speaker 1: Germany reborn and forcing everyone to react to it, but
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Speaker 1: it's completely asenine. And then we have the general media
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Speaker 1: hypocrisy over the issue of immigration enforcement with regard to
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Speaker 1: how they handled it, for instance, during the Obama administration
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Speaker 1: and how they're handling it now with regard to Trump.
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Speaker 2: The Obama administration was.
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Speaker 1: Able to get away with a lot of deportations because
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Speaker 1: it was presumed that Obama was a good guy by
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Speaker 1: the media, and the media thought everything Obama did was
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Speaker 1: good and obviously he's not racist because he's our first
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Speaker 1: black president, so therefore he has a lot more leeway
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Speaker 1: to get.
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Speaker 2: Away with deep tions.
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Speaker 1: And there's been all sorts of video clips from that
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Speaker 1: era where the news media was essentially in favor of
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Speaker 1: what Ice was doing in the Obama era. But now
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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, because it's Trump and he gets
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Speaker 1: no benefit of the doubt and it's presumed that he's racist,
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Speaker 1: then the whole game has changed, which again was always predictable.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it doesn't make it right, but from a
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Speaker 1: political perspective, this was a very poor calculation.
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Speaker 2: You can't go down this path.
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Speaker 1: It's going to end up in disaster, both with regard
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Speaker 1: to potential human cost but also political damage. And I
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Speaker 1: believe political damage has been done by the way the
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Speaker 1: enforcement is being perceived by the public. But I don't
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Speaker 1: want to let the media off the hook here. I
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Speaker 1: want to play a clip here that I think I'm
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Speaker 1: the only person that objected this. This is a clip
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Speaker 1: that got well over a million likes on TikTok, on
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Speaker 1: the CBS newsfeed, and well over a million impressions on
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Speaker 1: the CBS news.
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Speaker 2: Feed on X.
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Speaker 1: And what it is is it's a video that went viral,
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Speaker 1: I think, on Facebook that's being narrated by a male
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Speaker 1: CBS News reporter. And interestingly, this reporter follows me on X.
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Speaker 1: I don't even know why they do, but they do
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Speaker 1: for whatever reason and for context, because it is relevant
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Speaker 1: when you're gonna hear the content of this.
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Speaker 2: This reporter is a black man.
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Speaker 1: He's a very very very light skinned black man, which
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Speaker 1: I think is important when you hear what he has
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Speaker 1: to say.
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Speaker 2: But he is using this video that went viral.
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Speaker 1: Essentially, I don't even know how this became a news
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Speaker 1: story under the umbrella of CBS News because none of
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Speaker 1: the is vetted. I mean, none of what you're about
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Speaker 1: to hear has been remotely proven to be true. It
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Speaker 1: might be true, but what we have here is a
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Speaker 1: video recorded by a mom of a young boy who
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Speaker 1: appears to be about.
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Speaker 2: Nine years old.
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Speaker 1: Somewhere around that eight nine years old, maybe ten at
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Speaker 1: the tops, and she's interviewing him in the car about
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Speaker 1: something that just happened at a soccer game. Now he's
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Speaker 1: wearing a metal around his neck, so they must have
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Speaker 1: won the game, won the tournament or something like that.
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Speaker 1: And the boy is in tears because he's claiming that
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Speaker 1: someone from the other team said that he was gonna
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Speaker 1: be deported by Trump. I'm paraphrasing, but you're gonna hear
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Speaker 1: it for yourself in just a second. And I'm highly
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Speaker 1: suspicious as to whether or not that story is true. Now,
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Speaker 1: I will fully acknowledge the video is incredibly compelling. I mean,
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Speaker 1: this boy is very upset, does not appear to be faking.
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Speaker 1: I don't have any explanation for how he could be
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Speaker 1: that good if this was a fake story.
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Speaker 2: So I'm not saying it's a fake story.
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Speaker 1: I do think it's possible that this is an exaggeration,
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Speaker 1: or this is a misunderstanding, or that the parent was
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Speaker 1: egging the kid on and then you know, they turned
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Speaker 1: a mall hill into a mountain.
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Speaker 2: I think that's possible.
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Speaker 1: But more importantly, from a journalism a journalism standpoint, none
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Speaker 1: of this is proven. There's not a verification. We don't
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Speaker 1: even know when and where this happened. We don't have
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Speaker 1: a date, we don't have a place, we don't have
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Speaker 1: an interview with a coach verifying this. We don't have
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Speaker 1: any effort to try to identify the opposition or the
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Speaker 1: boy that did this to this poor kid.
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Speaker 2: If it actually did happen. None of it. We're just
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Speaker 2: going on the fact that this video.
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Speaker 1: Went viral and it fits our agenda because it shows,
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Speaker 1: oh my gosh, look how scared young children are of
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Speaker 1: being deported from the country because of these mean, horrible
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Speaker 1: things that Ice is doing in the Trump administration. And oh,
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Speaker 1: by the way, when it comes to this little boy,
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Speaker 1: and this is maybe the part that has me the
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Speaker 1: most suspicious, for lack of a better word, that this
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Speaker 1: story could be real, is.
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Speaker 2: That the boy is not Hispanic. The boy is Asian.
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Speaker 1: So I don't even know how this would happen, but
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Speaker 1: I'd like to get some verification of this. If it's
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Speaker 1: gonna be a fucking CBS news story and it's gonna
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Speaker 1: get millions and millions of views online and then the
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Speaker 1: reporter is gonna use it to I guess augment their
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Speaker 1: own experience, which we have no verification for, but I'll
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Speaker 1: okay the story. The reporter wants to tell the story
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Speaker 1: of their own experience as a youth to amplify the
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Speaker 1: fear that's going on allegedly because of these efforts to
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Speaker 1: deport illegal aliens. Again, whenever you use anecdotal evidence, especially
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Speaker 1: completely unvetted and unproven.
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Speaker 2: Anecdotal evidence, and you're appealing directly.
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Speaker 1: To emotions, that is problematic at best, and it's easy
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Speaker 1: for something that's not true to be accepted as true,
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Speaker 1: and then it sets a narrative and it has a
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Speaker 1: huge impact on the way people perceive things, especially when
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Speaker 1: you got this sympathetic poor kid who should be celebrating
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Speaker 1: the soccer victory and instead he's crying to his mom
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Speaker 1: because he thinks some kid is threatening him with deportation
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Speaker 1: at the hands of Donald Trump. But here's what it
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Speaker 1: sounded like on a video that was shared widely on
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Speaker 1: the CBS News online platforms.
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Speaker 4: He told me, I'm an illegal immigrant. I was born
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Speaker 4: in America.
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Speaker 5: This is twelve year old Max. Max and his soccer
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Speaker 5: team had just completed and won a two month long
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Speaker 5: soccer tournament. But instead of celebrating that momentous accomplishment. Max
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Speaker 5: was reduced to tears while describing to his mother the
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Speaker 5: terrible and hateful words he says another child used to
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Speaker 5: bully and harass him.
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Speaker 4: He said, tub is gonna get me a set me
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Speaker 4: back to where I used to.
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Speaker 2: Live, and I.
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Speaker 4: Was born in America. I don't live anywhere else.
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Speaker 5: As a child of immigrants who was born here in
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Speaker 5: the United States, as a kid who was bullied for
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Speaker 5: looking and being different, and also as a new dad,
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Speaker 5: watching Max tearfully try to make sense of what had
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Speaker 5: just happened to him broke my heart in a million pieces.
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Speaker 5: What was especially gut wrenching is listening to Max trying
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Speaker 5: to apply some type of adult logic and understanding to
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Speaker 5: what was being said to him.
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Speaker 4: I just don't get what Just like this, it makes
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Speaker 4: me really said that they just control their power like that,
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Speaker 4: they dig to have power, and it's just not nice.
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Speaker 2: Sorry. Max.
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Speaker 5: We spoke to Max's mom after she posted this video
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Speaker 5: on Facebook, and she told us that she did not
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Speaker 5: do this to create controversy, but to remind people quote
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Speaker 5: how deeply our words and actions can affect one another,
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Speaker 5: especially our children. She shared it to remind us, and
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Speaker 5: again these are her words. Kindness matters, and it starts
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Speaker 5: with how we treat one another. She told us that
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Speaker 5: her hope is that people who see this video and
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Speaker 5: who see Max crying, bewildered by the hate that has
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Speaker 5: just been levied against him, He hopes that people will
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Speaker 5: be encouraged to reflect on the sentiment that we need
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Speaker 5: to be more compassionate to one another. Max's mom told
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Speaker 5: us she believes that, and again this is a quote.
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Speaker 5: The division and hate we see in our country are
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Speaker 5: clearly reaching our children, and that's heartbreak.
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Speaker 2: So it's a review.
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Speaker 1: We have absolutely no proof whatsoever than any of this
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Speaker 1: actually happened.
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Speaker 2: None we could have happened.
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Speaker 1: It might have happened, something similar might have happened, but
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Speaker 1: we have absolutely no evidence of it. And CBS News
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Speaker 1: made no effort whatsoever to try to verify this, because,
22:22
Speaker 1: you know what, the facts might have gotten the way
22:24
Speaker 1: of a good story.
22:26
Speaker 2: That's what I felt like there. I felt like that.
22:28
Speaker 1: There's no need to go into the details here. There's
22:31
Speaker 1: no need to verify. There's no need, by the way,
22:33
Speaker 1: to track down who perpetrated this horrible act, because if
22:38
Speaker 1: you go ahead and try to vet it, you might
22:41
Speaker 1: find things you don't really like, So let's just let
22:44
Speaker 1: it sit as it is. This is a crime better
22:47
Speaker 1: left unsolved, as spinal tap might say. And it went viral,
22:51
Speaker 1: so therefore being viral if it fits our agenda, is
22:55
Speaker 1: enough for it to be considered a news story. It
22:57
Speaker 1: can't possibly be lacking in credit ability if it went
23:01
Speaker 1: super viral, right. Well, of course, again, that happens all
23:04
Speaker 1: the time, but in this particular situation, this is a
23:07
Speaker 1: really good example where the news media is just taking
23:11
Speaker 1: things that fit their agenda on the immigration issue, and
23:15
Speaker 1: because it appeals to the emotions, they're just gonna run
23:18
Speaker 1: with it, just like they did with that stupid picture
23:20
Speaker 1: of the five year old boy the Vice President JD.
23:23
Speaker 1: Vance completely obliterated and debunked as being somehow ice keeping
23:29
Speaker 1: a five year old boy in custody when they had
23:32
Speaker 1: no choice because the father of the five year old
23:35
Speaker 1: boy was an illegal immigrant who ran away. But the
23:39
Speaker 1: picture is worth, you know, proverbally, a.
23:42
Speaker 2: Thousand words or more.
23:44
Speaker 1: And these kinds of things appeal to emotions, and people
23:48
Speaker 1: are ruled by their emotions, especially in this area, which
23:51
Speaker 1: is why this effort was always doomed politically, and once
23:58
Speaker 1: again we have Minnesota being the epicenter of a remarkably
24:02
Speaker 1: similar situation. In twenty twenty, it was the George Floyd situation,
24:06
Speaker 1: which was completely blown out of proportion and I believe
24:10
Speaker 1: portrayed inaccurately. It caused all sorts of riots, It created
24:14
Speaker 1: a massive narrative that you could very well argue had
24:18
Speaker 1: a huge impact on the twenty twenty presidential elections. Well,
24:22
Speaker 1: now we have two situations in Minnesota that are remarkably similar,
24:27
Speaker 1: once again causing political damage to the right and to
24:31
Speaker 1: the Republican Party.
24:32
Speaker 2: And I've just had it with Minnesota.
24:35
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, this is a side, I guess,
24:37
Speaker 1: but I'm just done with it. I mean, I was
24:42
Speaker 1: a kid, I was a big Minnesota Vikings and Fred
24:45
Speaker 1: Tarkington fed and then when they went to the freaking
24:48
Speaker 1: Dome Stadium.
24:49
Speaker 2: I'm thankful they've never been to.
24:50
Speaker 1: A super Bowl since because they blew the greatest home
24:53
Speaker 1: field advantage in NFL history, and nothing goods come from
24:57
Speaker 1: Minnesota since then. I went to a Republican convention in
25:01
Speaker 1: two thousand and eight Minnesota as a delegate from California
25:05
Speaker 1: for John McCain. That seems like it was eight million
25:07
Speaker 1: years ago. It was only two thousand and eight. It's
25:10
Speaker 1: just amazing to think that the Republican Convention was in
25:12
Speaker 1: Minneapolis in two thousand and eight. Of course, that's was
25:16
Speaker 1: a completely different Republican Party in a completely different era.
25:19
Speaker 1: But that's where Sarah Palin became a superstar, and they
25:22
Speaker 1: ended up making a movie essentially about her and her
25:25
Speaker 1: role in the media's role in the two thousand and
25:27
Speaker 1: eight presidential election called Medium Malpractice how Obama got elected.
25:31
Speaker 1: But Minnesota is just nothing but trouble. All the fraud
25:36
Speaker 1: obviously has gotten a lot of attention, and Tim Waltz
25:39
Speaker 1: is a joke, although it appears as if Tim Waltz
25:42
Speaker 1: and Donald Trump are getting along all of a sudden,
25:45
Speaker 1: which makes me very nervous that Trump is wimping out
25:48
Speaker 1: on whatever the policy's gonna be.
25:50
Speaker 2: But in my view, you know what we ought to
25:53
Speaker 2: do with Minnesota. Give it to Canada. Just let it
25:56
Speaker 2: be part of Canada. And here's the deal. Here's the
25:58
Speaker 2: deal I'm proposing right now.
26:00
Speaker 1: We will give Canada Minnesota in exchange for Canada supporting
26:06
Speaker 1: the United States taking over Greenland. That feels like a
26:09
Speaker 1: really good deal for both parties because Minnesota fits perfectly
26:13
Speaker 1: in every way with Canada, and we exchange Minnesota for
26:19
Speaker 1: Canadian support for US to take over Greenland.
26:22
Speaker 2: And as far as Greenland.
26:23
Speaker 1: Is concerned, it appears as if we have another classic
26:27
Speaker 1: Donald Trump art of the deal situation where we create
26:31
Speaker 1: maximum bluster, maybe maximum damage when it comes to our allies,
26:38
Speaker 1: and minimum gain. That appears to be where we are
26:42
Speaker 1: on the Greenland situation. I predicted in the last episode
26:45
Speaker 1: of the podcast that this was all a negotiation. That
26:49
Speaker 1: the talk of war, the talk of takeover and saying
26:53
Speaker 1: that we we're gonna take it. You know it's going
26:55
Speaker 1: to be ours maps with the United States flag over Greenland.
26:59
Speaker 1: All that was bluster in order to set the negotiation.
27:04
Speaker 1: Everybody's ever studied Donald Trump knows this is the way
27:07
Speaker 1: he operates. And it appears as if it was basically
27:11
Speaker 1: out of the deal one oh one when it came
27:14
Speaker 1: to the way Trump handled the Greenland situation. Now we
27:17
Speaker 1: don't know for sure all of the details yet.
27:20
Speaker 2: On Greenland, we don't know yet.
27:23
Speaker 1: I mean, could it be a good deal, maybe I'm
27:26
Speaker 1: open to that. Could it be basically getting what we
27:29
Speaker 1: already had in Greenland, only with a nice bow put
27:32
Speaker 1: on it so that Trump could save face.
27:35
Speaker 2: That's all so possible.
27:36
Speaker 1: I don't know which it is yet, but we're certainly
27:39
Speaker 1: not going to own Greenland like Trump claimed that we
27:42
Speaker 1: needed to, or that he wanted to have happen.
27:45
Speaker 2: But there's certainly been a lot of hurt feelings, especially
27:47
Speaker 2: with our NATO allies. Now, you know, a lot of.
27:50
Speaker 1: That could actually be good because in my view, I
27:54
Speaker 1: actually agree with Trump on a lot of what he
27:56
Speaker 1: says about NATO.
27:57
Speaker 2: And you know who else agrees with Trump about NATO.
28:01
Speaker 1: The Secretary General of NATO has come out with some
28:04
Speaker 1: really incredibly strong statements supporting Donald Trump against our NATO
28:10
Speaker 1: allies when it comes to their military contributions and how
28:15
Speaker 1: much weight they're willing to lift and their obligations, and
28:20
Speaker 1: how important the United States is to NATO, and how
28:23
Speaker 1: Europe could not defend itself without the United States and
28:26
Speaker 1: that they need the United States, all of which is important.
28:28
Speaker 2: I think there's value in reminding NATO.
28:31
Speaker 1: Of that because my view of Europe has dramatically changed
28:35
Speaker 1: in the last few years. I talked about this previously
28:38
Speaker 1: in the last episode, but I'm with Trump on this
28:43
Speaker 1: in basic principle, that doesn't mean we abandon our NATO
28:47
Speaker 1: allies completely. There's still value to the alliances. But I
28:52
Speaker 1: don't feel this. I don't feel like they're as sacred
28:54
Speaker 1: as they once were. Europe is no longer Europe. It's
28:58
Speaker 1: just not so, you know, they blew their end of
29:02
Speaker 1: the bargain. So now circumstances have changed, and so I
29:08
Speaker 1: actually have supported Trump when it comes to pursuing the
29:12
Speaker 1: agenda in Greenland. How you get there, of course, is important,
29:15
Speaker 1: and what we're actually going to get is obviously the
29:18
Speaker 1: ultimate reality of the situation, which we don't know yet
29:21
Speaker 1: because the negotiations have not been yet completed. But a
29:25
Speaker 1: lot of this happened at the Davos World Economic Forum,
29:29
Speaker 1: which had an awful lot of things happened. I mean,
29:33
Speaker 1: I could probably do three or four hours on just
29:35
Speaker 1: what happened to Davos or what was said at Davos. Obviously,
29:40
Speaker 1: the Greenland situation was front and center, and and by
29:44
Speaker 1: and large I would say that Trump probably came out
29:47
Speaker 1: slightly ahead out of Davos because of the Secretary General
29:52
Speaker 1: of NATO supporting him, and because he was able to
29:55
Speaker 1: make his point about Europe being on the threshold, being
30:00
Speaker 1: at the crossroads, which direction is Europe going to go
30:04
Speaker 1: in and effectively taking the stance of a parent or
30:09
Speaker 1: a teacher who's not going to put up with bad
30:12
Speaker 1: behavior anymore, and that we still have the leverage, and
30:16
Speaker 1: that Greenland, in a weird way, is kind of a
30:19
Speaker 1: proxy for that.
30:21
Speaker 2: And so I don't think that Greenland.
30:23
Speaker 1: Was a disaster, especially if this deal eventually gets to
30:27
Speaker 1: something better than we already had.
30:30
Speaker 2: I don't think it was a boondoggle.
30:31
Speaker 1: I don't think it was maybe worth all of the
30:34
Speaker 1: bluster and all the consternation that Trump created, but I
30:37
Speaker 1: don't think it's any We're close to the worst thing
30:39
Speaker 1: that Trump has done in his first year in office now.
30:43
Speaker 1: But there were a lot of other people that were
30:45
Speaker 1: prominent at Davos, one of whom was California Governor Gavin Newsom.
30:51
Speaker 2: And I will say I did get the hebgbis.
30:55
Speaker 1: When Trump was speaking and he was talking about Newsome
31:00
Speaker 1: in a derogatory fashion, and the camera panned from Trump
31:05
Speaker 1: to the back of the room, and there was Gavin
31:08
Speaker 1: Newsom fidgeting.
31:10
Speaker 2: And it reminded me very very much.
31:12
Speaker 1: It was almost eerily similar to what happened in twenty
31:16
Speaker 1: eleven when at the White House correspondence dinner, President Barack
31:21
Speaker 1: Obama was speaking, and much more derisively than Trump was
31:26
Speaker 1: about Newsom. He went after Donald Trump, who was in
31:30
Speaker 1: the audience, and in my opinion, that Obama address where
31:36
Speaker 1: he ridiculed Trump, might have been the most impactful political.
31:40
Speaker 2: Speech of this century so far.
31:43
Speaker 1: I mean, you can make a strong argument that that
31:46
Speaker 1: was effectively the birth of Donald Trump's villain story, that
31:53
Speaker 1: was his origin story, and that's when many.
31:57
Speaker 2: People believe it.
31:57
Speaker 1: I think there's logic to this that Donald Trump decided, Okay, buddy,
32:01
Speaker 1: I'm going to show you and I'm going to become
32:04
Speaker 1: President of the United States, and our politics has now
32:07
Speaker 1: forever changed because Barack Obama decided to ridicule Donald Trump
32:13
Speaker 1: in twenty eleven. Now, there's some differences to what happened
32:16
Speaker 1: with Trump and Newsom, but the logistics of it, the
32:21
Speaker 1: visuals of it were remarkably similar. And I'm so fearful
32:25
Speaker 1: of a Gavin Newsom presidency that it made me very,
32:29
Speaker 1: very nervous.
32:30
Speaker 2: But Newsom was a.
32:31
Speaker 1: Major topic at Davos, and for a couple of different reasons.
32:37
Speaker 1: One of which was Newsom did, in my view, unprecedented.
32:42
Speaker 2: He did the unprecedented.
32:43
Speaker 1: Thing of on foreign soil openly rooting for our I
32:51
Speaker 1: guess you would call them in this particular situations adversaries
32:56
Speaker 1: calling for our adversaries, people that are criticizing Donald Trump.
33:01
Speaker 2: Greenland was part of this equation.
33:04
Speaker 1: Newsom on foreign soil was cheerleading our adversaries to stand
33:10
Speaker 1: up against the United States president. Now, in a rational world,
33:16
Speaker 1: that's game set match for Gavin Newsom ever becoming president
33:20
Speaker 1: United States.
33:21
Speaker 2: But we don't live in that world anymore.
33:23
Speaker 1: And in my view, in liberal progressive Democratic primary circles,
33:30
Speaker 1: this probably helped Gavin Newsom. This probably further increased his
33:35
Speaker 1: stature and his street cred as someone willing to stand
33:39
Speaker 1: up when no one else will against the.
33:41
Speaker 2: Evil Donald Trump.
33:43
Speaker 1: Bizarrely, and maybe an indication of just how completely fucked
33:47
Speaker 1: up the world we're living in. Actually is the most
33:50
Speaker 1: prominent voice to take on Gavin Newsom with regard to
33:55
Speaker 1: this issue of attacking a US president on foreign soil,
34:00
Speaker 1: oil and essentially cheerleading our president's opposition was I'm not
34:06
Speaker 1: making this up, ESPN Stephen A.
34:09
Speaker 2: Smith.
34:10
Speaker 1: That's right, that's how completely fucked up the world is
34:13
Speaker 1: Stephen A. Smith, for some reason, who has been described
34:16
Speaker 1: by some as a potential Democratic presidential candidate, which I
34:19
Speaker 1: don't see at all. I don't see how in the world,
34:21
Speaker 1: especially you know, some of the comments that he's made
34:25
Speaker 1: that have been pro Donald Trump. I don't see how
34:27
Speaker 1: he could possibly despite all the other problems he would
34:30
Speaker 1: have being Stephen A. Smith, how he could possibly ever
34:34
Speaker 1: gain traction in the Democratic primary. But I found it
34:37
Speaker 1: absolutely fascinating and amazing that Stephen A. Smith, frankly, quite
34:41
Speaker 1: eloquently and a little bit in an antiquated fashion, because
34:46
Speaker 1: I'm not sure these rules matter anymore, talked in great
34:49
Speaker 1: detail about how Newsom was breaking this rule that you
34:54
Speaker 1: don't criticize a US president on foreign soil.
34:57
Speaker 2: But that's where we are now, where Steve and As Smith.
35:00
Speaker 1: Decides suddenly he's gonna stand up for what's right. But
35:04
Speaker 1: maybe better than Stephen A.
35:06
Speaker 2: Smith.
35:07
Speaker 1: Was the reaction of Treasure Treasury Secretary Scott Bessont to
35:12
Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom's appearance at Davos, because Newsom, when he went there,
35:17
Speaker 1: he had his picture taken with the son of George Soros,
35:20
Speaker 1: Alex Soros, who obviously is a well known progressive billionaire,
35:26
Speaker 1: and so Bessont decided that with Newsom meeting with Alex
35:34
Speaker 1: Soros and also bringing knee pads, this was one of
35:38
Speaker 1: the weirdest things that Newsom did, but it's keeping with
35:41
Speaker 1: his his strategy of being the anti Trump by acting
35:45
Speaker 1: like Trump. Newsom brought with him to Davos these presidential
35:49
Speaker 1: knee pads to give, I guess, to the countries that
35:55
Speaker 1: were kissing Trump's ass or other parts of his anatomy
35:59
Speaker 1: in Trump. In Newsom's view, these knee pads that he
36:03
Speaker 1: was giving out in order to try to make the
36:05
Speaker 1: point that everyone was treating Trump far too kindly.
36:09
Speaker 2: Well, Scott Bessant.
36:10
Speaker 1: Of all people, really went after Newsom on multiple occasions.
36:16
Speaker 1: And you know, I've always kind of liked Scott Besson,
36:19
Speaker 1: but I really really like dark Scott Besson because this
36:23
Speaker 1: is this is dark Scott Besson. And we've combined two
36:27
Speaker 1: different clips here that got a lot of play from
36:30
Speaker 1: Davos where Besson is going after Newsom in general, but
36:34
Speaker 1: specifically over the Alex Soros meeting and.
36:36
Speaker 2: The knee pads.
36:38
Speaker 1: And keep in mind, Scott Besson happens to be openly homosexual,
36:42
Speaker 1: which I think adds in many ways to this attack
36:46
Speaker 1: by bessent On Newsom, which was just spectacular in many ways.
36:51
Speaker 6: Ik that you know Governor Newsom, who strikes me as
36:55
Speaker 6: Patrick Bateman, the sparkle beach Ken, maybe the only Californian
37:00
Speaker 6: who knows less about economics than Kamala Harris. He's here
37:06
Speaker 6: this week with his billionaire sugar daddy Alex Soros, and
37:10
Speaker 6: the Davos is a perfect place for a man who
37:14
Speaker 6: when everyone else is on lockdown, when he was having
37:17
Speaker 6: people arrested for going to church, he was having thousand
37:20
Speaker 6: dollars a night meals at the French laundry. And I'm
37:23
Speaker 6: sure the California people won't forget that. And I can
37:27
Speaker 6: tell my message to Governor Newsom is that Trump administration
37:31
Speaker 6: is coming to California. We are going to crack down
37:34
Speaker 6: on waste, fraud and abuse. And I was told he
37:37
Speaker 6: was asked to give a speech on his signature policies,
37:42
Speaker 6: but he's not speaking because what of his economic policies
37:45
Speaker 6: brought outward migration from California, a gigantic budget deficit, the
37:51
Speaker 6: largest homeless population in America, and the poor folks in
37:56
Speaker 6: the Palisades who had.
37:57
Speaker 7: Their homes burned down. He is here hobnobbing with the
38:02
Speaker 7: global elite while his California citizens are still homeless.
38:08
Speaker 2: Shame on him.
38:09
Speaker 7: He is too smug, too self absorbed, and too economically
38:14
Speaker 7: illiterate to know anything. I think Gavin Newsom may be
38:18
Speaker 7: cracking up with some of these things he's saying. I
38:21
Speaker 7: think he may be in overs hairdoo. And being on
38:24
Speaker 7: the national stage is very different than being governor of
38:28
Speaker 7: California with no signature achievements. But to say strange things
38:33
Speaker 7: like President Trump is the Tyrannosaurus Rex, What the hell
38:37
Speaker 7: does that mean? I could say Gavin Newsom is a
38:39
Speaker 7: bronosaurus with the brain the size.
38:42
Speaker 6: Of the walnut.
38:43
Speaker 7: And if he brought the knee pads, maybe that was
38:46
Speaker 7: for his meeting with Alex Soros.
38:48
Speaker 6: I don't know.
38:49
Speaker 7: I think Gavin Newsom may be cracking up with some
38:51
Speaker 7: of these things he's saying. I think he may be
38:53
Speaker 7: in overs hairdoo. And being on the national stage is
38:57
Speaker 7: very different than being governor California with no signature achievements.
39:04
Speaker 7: But to say strange things like President Trump is a
39:07
Speaker 7: Tyrannosaurus Rex, What the hell does that mean, I could say,
39:10
Speaker 7: Kevin Newsom is a pronosaurus with the brain the size
39:13
Speaker 7: of a walnut, and if you brought the knee pads,
39:17
Speaker 7: maybe that was for his meeting with Alex Soros.
39:19
Speaker 6: I don't know.
39:21
Speaker 1: I had no idea that Scott Besson had that in him,
39:25
Speaker 1: but I'm glad that he does. And I thought that
39:27
Speaker 1: definitely left the mark. We know it left the mark
39:30
Speaker 1: on Newsom because he responded.
39:33
Speaker 2: Newsom did with.
39:34
Speaker 1: What appeared to be an AI generated image of Scott
39:38
Speaker 1: Bessant in an all pink suit looking as gay as
39:43
Speaker 1: you possibly could, in a way that if it had
39:47
Speaker 1: been done by a conservative against a gay liberal, would
39:52
Speaker 1: have absolutely positively been considered homophobic without question.
40:00
Speaker 2: And some people did raise this issue online.
40:02
Speaker 1: I did not see any prominent liberals attack Newsom for
40:07
Speaker 1: posting this clearly homophobic image, again using the woke standard
40:13
Speaker 1: of homophobia, the liberal standard, progressive standard of homophobia. If
40:17
Speaker 1: you look at the image yourself, I mean, there's just
40:19
Speaker 1: no question that if a conservative ever posted something like that,
40:23
Speaker 1: especially AI generated or apparently AI generated, about a.
40:27
Speaker 2: Gay liberal, it would be homophobic.
40:30
Speaker 1: And it also wasn't even funny, it wasn't pretty, It
40:34
Speaker 1: wasn't a good rebuttal at all from Newsom, so Besant
40:37
Speaker 1: clearly got under Newsom's skin and left the mark. However,
40:42
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna change the Gavin Newsomb presidential fear Factor rating,
40:48
Speaker 1: which was currently at seven point five out of ten.
40:50
Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep it at seven point five out of
40:52
Speaker 1: ten because, in my.
40:55
Speaker 2: View, while stephn A.
40:57
Speaker 1: Smith and Scott Bessend made really good points, and there
41:01
Speaker 1: may have been a lot of people that were thinking
41:04
Speaker 1: that Newsom.
41:05
Speaker 2: Was in over his head or in over his hairdow.
41:07
Speaker 1: As Bessen said, I think that in the short run,
41:11
Speaker 1: the only message that Democratic primary voters got out of
41:16
Speaker 1: Davos was that Newsom is the guy.
41:19
Speaker 2: Newsom's the one.
41:21
Speaker 1: Who's there literally figuratively standing up against Trump. It elevates
41:26
Speaker 1: his stature. He was interviewed one on one by Ben Smith,
41:29
Speaker 1: who I didn't think that a particularly good job, even
41:31
Speaker 1: though I think Ben Smith is generally a pretty smart
41:33
Speaker 1: guy who I've dealt with back when he was with
41:36
Speaker 1: the New York Times. He interviewed Newsom and I thought
41:39
Speaker 1: was way too soft a manner. But I think that
41:42
Speaker 1: Newsom actually got elevated in many ways by Dovos. I mean,
41:46
Speaker 1: how the hell Davin Newsom ever gets away with going
41:49
Speaker 1: to Davos. He's the governor of a state, and a
41:53
Speaker 1: state that's got lots of problems. I mean, rebuild Los
41:58
Speaker 1: Angeles before you go to frickings.
42:00
Speaker 2: But Newsom can get away with that For multiple reasons.
42:06
Speaker 1: That I've discussed in the past, and so in irastional world,
42:10
Speaker 1: Newsom stocks should have gone down from Davos, but I
42:13
Speaker 1: don't think it did. In many ways. I think within
42:16
Speaker 1: the people that are gonna matter when it comes to
42:18
Speaker 1: who the Democratic presidential nominee is in twenty twenty eight,
42:22
Speaker 1: it might have gone up a little bit, but I'm
42:23
Speaker 1: gonna keep the Gaven Newsom fear factor rating at seven
42:27
Speaker 1: point five out of ten for right now. Another figure
42:32
Speaker 1: major celebrity who made quite a few waves at Davos
42:37
Speaker 1: was Elon Musk. Now you're probably aware that I am
42:40
Speaker 1: all over the map on Elon Musk. At times, I
42:44
Speaker 1: very much like the guy. At times I'm weirded out
42:47
Speaker 1: by him. I'm confused by him. He says things that
42:51
Speaker 1: are often very inaccurate, things that I think are bizarre.
42:56
Speaker 1: I think he's brilliant, but I also think he's delusional
42:59
Speaker 1: at times times.
43:00
Speaker 2: I have a big problem with how he has shifted.
43:03
Speaker 1: On AI from at one point being very fearful of
43:07
Speaker 1: it to now leading the race to try to control
43:11
Speaker 1: AI and basically hope for the best. And he made
43:14
Speaker 1: a lot of statements at Davos that were related to
43:18
Speaker 1: AI and how he's trying to create this impression that
43:23
Speaker 1: he's very, very optimistic about the future. A little concerned
43:29
Speaker 1: he doesn't want to turn this in you know, that
43:30
Speaker 1: he doesn't want to turn our society into.
43:32
Speaker 2: The Terminator movie. Ha ha ha ha.
43:36
Speaker 1: But he is so optimistic. And I've not mentioned this
43:39
Speaker 1: yet on the podcast. I've been intending to do so,
43:42
Speaker 1: but he has done interviews Muskas where not only has
43:46
Speaker 1: he been pitching this asinine universal high wage idea.
43:52
Speaker 2: In the long run to deal with AI.
43:54
Speaker 1: Something I have addressed previously on the podcast in great
43:57
Speaker 1: detail about how completely absurd it is, but he is
44:00
Speaker 1: also in recent interviews said that he no longer advises
44:06
Speaker 1: kids to go to college. That's almost a direct quote.
44:10
Speaker 1: He is told interviewers that he doesn't believe people should
44:15
Speaker 1: necessarily bother saving money for retirement because it's not going
44:20
Speaker 1: to be needed you know in ten or twenty years.
44:23
Speaker 1: I mean, this is the richest man in the world,
44:26
Speaker 1: apparently one of the most famous people in the world,
44:30
Speaker 1: highly respected in many circles, telling people don't go to
44:34
Speaker 1: college and don't save for retirement. Now, is it possible
44:38
Speaker 1: in the end he's going to be right.
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Speaker 2: I guess so. But that's pretty dangerous territory based upon
44:45
Speaker 2: where we currently are.
44:47
Speaker 1: And Musk made several statements at Davos related to AI,
44:53
Speaker 1: his predictions for AI, where we're heading in the future,
44:57
Speaker 1: and why he is so optimist stick And here is
45:02
Speaker 1: a montage of some of what Elon Musk said at Dobbos.
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Speaker 8: The rate which AI is progressing, I think we were
45:13
Speaker 8: we might have AI that is smatter than any human
45:16
Speaker 8: by the end of this year. And I'd say no
45:19
Speaker 8: later the next year, and then probably by twenty thirty
45:25
Speaker 8: or twenty thirty one called it five years from now,
45:28
Speaker 8: AI will be smarter than all of humanity collectively.
45:33
Speaker 9: Like there will be such an abundance of goods and services,
45:38
Speaker 9: because the my prediction is there'll be there'll be more
45:42
Speaker 9: robots than people.
45:43
Speaker 2: So but how do you then have human purpose in
45:47
Speaker 2: that scenario?
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Speaker 9: I mean you know, there was nothing's perfect, you know,
45:52
Speaker 9: but I mean, I mean, is it is a necessary
46:01
Speaker 9: like you can't have both. You can't have work that
46:03
Speaker 9: has to be done and amazing abundance for all. I
46:09
Speaker 9: think my last words would be I would encourage everyone
46:12
Speaker 9: to be optimistic and excited about the future good and generally,
46:17
Speaker 9: I think for quality of life, it is actually better
46:20
Speaker 9: to err on the side of being an optimist and
46:24
Speaker 9: wrong rather than a pessimist.
46:25
Speaker 10: And right on that note, now, when it comes to
46:34
Speaker 10: Elon Musk's optimism, I have a few things that I
46:38
Speaker 10: think are important to say.
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Speaker 2: Number one is.
46:41
Speaker 1: I don't really buy that he's that optimistic. I feel
46:46
Speaker 1: like he's trying to convince himself that he's being optimistic,
46:51
Speaker 1: or that he has reason to be optimistic.
46:54
Speaker 2: That's what it feels like now.
46:57
Speaker 1: Part of the reason I have concluded that is because
46:59
Speaker 1: when he talks about this future of tremendous abundance, which
47:04
Speaker 1: no one has ever been able to explain to me,
47:06
Speaker 1: how this magically happens in a world where no one
47:09
Speaker 1: has a job, I don't. I don't get it. I mean,
47:13
Speaker 1: I get that robots could create value, but I don't
47:18
Speaker 1: necessarily understand and certainly don't buy that this means abundance
47:23
Speaker 1: for all, But it feels to me like he's trying
47:26
Speaker 1: to convince himself. He's also trying to convince himself that
47:29
Speaker 1: the dangers aren't all that great. He always, you know,
47:33
Speaker 1: kind of checks himself, Well, we don't want to become
47:35
Speaker 1: the Terminator movie, you know.
47:37
Speaker 2: And and when he.
47:38
Speaker 1: Says, well, nothing's perfect, I mean that was really an
47:41
Speaker 1: extraordinary statement. Where you know, what about the idea of
47:46
Speaker 1: people having meaning in their life without jobs? Well, nothing's perfect.
47:50
Speaker 1: What do you mean nothing's perfect? That's a pretty big
47:52
Speaker 1: fucking flaw. I mean, other than that, missus Lincoln, how
47:55
Speaker 1: was the play? And Musk just brushes.
47:59
Speaker 2: By this stuff. Well, you know it's gonna be great.
48:02
Speaker 1: Well, maybe it's gonna be great for you, Elon Musk
48:05
Speaker 1: and your buddies, the billionaire elites, But what about for humanity?
48:11
Speaker 2: What about for the alverage person?
48:13
Speaker 1: There's all sorts of massive unanswered questions here, But to me,
48:17
Speaker 1: he never seems to have any real joy talking about
48:21
Speaker 1: this vision that he has for this utopian world that
48:26
Speaker 1: AI might end up creating.
48:28
Speaker 2: Where we don't have to go to college, we don't
48:29
Speaker 2: have to save for retirement.
48:30
Speaker 1: It's universal abundance and oh yeah, it's nothing perfect, but
48:35
Speaker 1: it's gonna be great. And I'm very, very optimistic about it.
48:38
Speaker 1: I've always decided. I've always felt like it's better to
48:40
Speaker 1: be optimistic than pessimistic. And this is where we get
48:43
Speaker 1: to one of my pet peeve issues when it comes
48:46
Speaker 1: to optimism versus pessimism. This is driven an enormous amount
48:50
Speaker 1: of my life. I am perceived as a pessimist, even
48:54
Speaker 1: though I actually think I'm sometimes a delusional optimist. But
48:57
Speaker 1: I've discussed this issue many times in the past, usually
49:02
Speaker 1: within the context of my friend, the late great Frank o'harris,
49:06
Speaker 1: who I always used to joke with that, of course
49:09
Speaker 1: you're the most optimistic person I know, which he was, because,
49:12
Speaker 1: after all, you caught the immaculate reception, probably the luckiest
49:18
Speaker 1: play in the history of football, and your Steelers ended
49:22
Speaker 1: up winning four Super Bowls, So of course you're gonna
49:25
Speaker 1: believe that everything works out.
49:27
Speaker 2: And part of that was tongue in cheek and joking,
49:29
Speaker 2: but part of that was serious.
49:32
Speaker 1: But that's nothing in comparison to what the situation Elon
49:36
Speaker 1: Musk is dealing with with regard to optimism versus pessimism,
49:41
Speaker 1: and how someone in Elon Musk's position is uniquely, uniquely,
49:47
Speaker 1: far worse than frank O Harris, uniquely unqualified to be
49:52
Speaker 1: able to be objective when it comes to what is
49:55
Speaker 1: real and what is fantasy? What is realistic and what
49:59
Speaker 1: is delud usion, what is optimism based in rationality? And
50:07
Speaker 1: what is a situation where you just don't have the
50:10
Speaker 1: ability to discern it anymore because of the life that
50:14
Speaker 1: you've lived. Elon Musk has lived his entire life being
50:19
Speaker 1: told that he's crazy, essentially, and then proving people wrong
50:25
Speaker 1: and being ridiculously successful. Now there's been a lot of
50:28
Speaker 1: failures along the way, there's been a lot of luck along.
50:30
Speaker 2: The way, but where he is now you can't argue
50:34
Speaker 2: with it.
50:35
Speaker 1: Richest man of the world in his mind, he just
50:37
Speaker 1: got Donald Trump, against all odds, elected president of the
50:41
Speaker 1: United States, and he's going to continue to change the
50:45
Speaker 1: world and it's all going to work out well because
50:47
Speaker 1: why because it's always worked out well for him, and
50:52
Speaker 1: so he understandably, given the world in which he lives,
50:57
Speaker 1: he thinks this is just the way it works. He
51:01
Speaker 1: thinks that this is just the way things work out.
51:06
Speaker 1: I've always talked about how commencement addresses are terrible, especially
51:11
Speaker 1: at elite academic institutions. Why because the people that get
51:16
Speaker 1: asked to do commencement addresses are all the winners in
51:21
Speaker 1: Life's lottery.
51:23
Speaker 2: Doesn't mean it was all luck.
51:24
Speaker 1: A lot of times it was very hard work, but
51:27
Speaker 1: they all have a very jaundice view of what is
51:30
Speaker 1: possible because it worked out for them. So you're not
51:34
Speaker 1: going to get a view of reality generally from someone
51:38
Speaker 1: who has won Life's lottery. But with Elon Musk, it's
51:43
Speaker 1: like on multiple steroids. It's probably the most.
51:48
Speaker 2: Glaring example in history.
51:50
Speaker 1: I can only think of one example in history that
51:53
Speaker 1: only come to the mind of John Zickler that might
51:55
Speaker 1: be somewhat comparable to the delusional optimism that Elon Musk
52:01
Speaker 1: must be having about the way life works.
52:05
Speaker 2: I'm referring to.
52:06
Speaker 1: This is so bizarre, such a bizarre Ziglar analogy. But
52:10
Speaker 1: I'm pretty darn sure that if it was possible to
52:14
Speaker 1: do an interview with the sperm from Billy Joel that
52:21
Speaker 1: impregnated Christy Brinkley in her prime, that that sperm would
52:26
Speaker 1: be totally delusional about what is possible in life, because
52:32
Speaker 1: that sperm beat all the odds to an absolutely hilarious degree.
52:39
Speaker 1: I mean, Billy Joel, a short, ugly guy who was
52:43
Speaker 1: famous but not super famous, rich but not super rich, somehow,
52:48
Speaker 1: against all the odds, impregnated Christy Brinkley in her prime.
52:53
Speaker 1: I mean in the reproductive Hall of fame. I mean,
52:56
Speaker 1: if there was a Mount Rushmore for reproductive situation, that
53:00
Speaker 1: would be right there at the top, Billy Joel somehow
53:03
Speaker 1: impregnating Christy Brinkley. But that sperm would be a terrible
53:08
Speaker 1: entity to ask about the nature of reality when it
53:12
Speaker 1: comes to optimism versus pessimism, because they're going to judge
53:16
Speaker 1: things based upon their own experience. And that's the closest
53:20
Speaker 1: that can come, in a bizarre way of describing where
53:24
Speaker 1: Elon Musk is on this. So when Elon Musk says,
53:28
Speaker 1: I'm very optimistic and it's always been better for me
53:30
Speaker 1: to be optimistic than pessimistic and it's all going to
53:33
Speaker 1: work out, I have no faith in that at all,
53:37
Speaker 1: because he is the worst person possible to have real
53:42
Speaker 1: objectivity on what is possible versus what is realistic versus
53:49
Speaker 1: what is delusional?
53:50
Speaker 2: And I think he is delusional.
53:53
Speaker 1: I think the idea of a universal high wage is
53:57
Speaker 1: completely ridiculous, and.
54:02
Speaker 2: To me, it destroys all of his credibility.
54:04
Speaker 1: You know what also destroys credibility in my mind, Freeline Musk.
54:08
Speaker 1: He's big into this whole star Trek fantasy where we're
54:13
Speaker 1: going to, you know, colonize other planets like Mars. Now, look,
54:20
Speaker 1: I have no problem with visiting other planets and finding
54:25
Speaker 1: out what we can I'm sure there's a lot we
54:27
Speaker 1: can learn by putting people on Mars. But colonization, why,
54:35
Speaker 1: we already have enough information to know that there's nothing
54:39
Speaker 1: better there than exists here, not close.
54:43
Speaker 2: I mean Mars. To me, Mars looks Afghanist, makes Afghanistan
54:49
Speaker 2: look good. Why would we colonize other planets? We have
54:53
Speaker 2: plenty of space here. Musk himself is worried about us
54:56
Speaker 2: not having enough people to regenerate the world's population. So
55:01
Speaker 2: I don't even get it. And because he's Elon Musk.
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Speaker 1: And he's super smart, which he absolutely is, and he's
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Speaker 1: the richest man in the world, everyone takes him seriously
55:11
Speaker 1: and says, oh, must have credibility. Well, no, to me,
55:14
Speaker 1: that's delusional, it's absurd. It's silly. And so when he
55:21
Speaker 1: comes up with these proposals like universal high wage, I go,
55:26
Speaker 1: that's just preposterous.
55:28
Speaker 2: It's it's not gonna work.
55:30
Speaker 1: There's no way for it to work, and so I
55:34
Speaker 1: lose all confidence in everything he's saying. And by the way,
55:39
Speaker 1: I should point out, there's good reason already to be
55:43
Speaker 1: highly skeptical of Musk when it comes to his predictions
55:47
Speaker 1: of how fast things are gonna happen.
55:49
Speaker 2: I mean for him to say we're going to reach AGI.
55:51
Speaker 1: By the end of this year, and that I think
55:53
Speaker 1: he also said in a different clip and within three
55:57
Speaker 1: or four years. That's not what you just heard. There
55:59
Speaker 1: is a different interview that I'm just recalling right now.
56:02
Speaker 1: He said recently, in three or four years, robots will
56:05
Speaker 1: be doing medical surgeries better than humans will. Well, he
56:10
Speaker 1: is infamous for being overly optimistic when it comes to
56:15
Speaker 1: his estimations of time and timelines and how long it's
56:19
Speaker 1: going to take for something to happen. So it's not
56:22
Speaker 1: a leap at all to say that he's completely wrong
56:25
Speaker 1: when he's determining how long it's going to take for
56:29
Speaker 1: these massive AI changes to come to fruition. I am
56:32
Speaker 1: exceedingly confident that he's wrong about that, because he's been
56:35
Speaker 1: wrong constantly on things where he has far more control,
56:39
Speaker 1: like things at Tesla and other businesses that he's had,
56:43
Speaker 1: and how long something is going to actually take to occur.
56:48
Speaker 1: So my response to Elon Musk is, at best, you're
56:53
Speaker 1: overly optimistic both about how fast this is going to happen,
56:58
Speaker 1: as well as Mitigan the damage or the dangers. I
57:02
Speaker 1: think the dangers are far greater than Elon Musk is
57:05
Speaker 1: currently giving them credit for, and to me, Musk is
57:10
Speaker 1: losing a lot of credibility in some of these things
57:12
Speaker 1: that he is saying. Now, could he turn out to
57:14
Speaker 1: end up being right? Yep, could be. He's a very
57:17
Speaker 1: smart guy. He's obviously way more in touch with what's
57:21
Speaker 1: really going on in this world than I am. I'm
57:24
Speaker 1: just going by human nature and by Musk's history, and
57:28
Speaker 1: by some of the things that he's saying that have
57:29
Speaker 1: reduced his credibility in my mind. That being said, I'm
57:33
Speaker 1: going to maintain the AI fear factor at seven point zero.
57:39
Speaker 1: It had been at eight point oh, it's now down
57:41
Speaker 1: to seven point zero, largely because I think we're starting
57:44
Speaker 1: to see signs that getting to AGI is no longer
57:47
Speaker 1: a certainty.
57:48
Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's not going to happen. I'm saying
57:50
Speaker 2: it's not.
57:50
Speaker 1: A certainty, and then it might take longer than is
57:53
Speaker 1: currently projected. Of course, then there's the downside of what
57:57
Speaker 1: happens to the stock market. If all of this enormous
58:02
Speaker 1: wealth that's been quote unquote created through speculation ends up
58:07
Speaker 1: turning out to not come to fruition, or the stock
58:11
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58:14
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