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- 0:00Speaker 1: What's up, y'all.
- 0:00Speaker 2: You're listening to a four all NERD show, and on
- 0:02Speaker 2: this episode we talked about There that Were Born Again
- 0:05Speaker 2: episode five where they do a very smooth.
- 0:10Speaker 1: Imitation of the film Inside Man, and what's up y'all,
- 0:25Speaker 1: and welcome to another episode of a four all NERD show.
- 0:27Speaker 1: It's your boy, DJ Ben I mean ak A L.
- 0:32Speaker 2: Diablo Aba aka Matt Murder aka sat So Listener here
- 0:41Speaker 2: in the spaceship tonight, and as always, I'm.
- 0:44Speaker 3: Joined by Tatiana King d Grand that was a tech
- 0:47Speaker 3: also known as Sean Jean Luke Leicard, j Prince ofpal
- 0:52Speaker 3: Sayings doctor doing something strange for some change, Tester Mike Thompson,
- 0:55Speaker 3: the Book of Ashanti.
- 0:56Speaker 2: And doc ACKI there we go, There we go, And
- 1:00Speaker 2: as you heard by my aka Satan Solictener especially, we
- 1:04Speaker 2: are back to review episode five Daredevil Born Again off top.
- 1:11Speaker 2: I'm gonna say this, this was actually one of my
- 1:14Speaker 2: favorite episodes so far, and I just honestly, I wish
- 1:19Speaker 2: the show had more episodes like this so far. You
- 1:23Speaker 2: know where it's just a one off episode, not involving
- 1:28Speaker 2: a larger story, not involving a subplot or anything, and
- 1:33Speaker 2: just Matt murder.
- 1:37Speaker 3: You wish more episodes like this in a season, or
- 1:40Speaker 3: just this happened more often in series in general in.
- 1:43Speaker 2: This season, and well, no in series in general, and
- 1:47Speaker 2: I think it could use maybe one or two more
- 1:49Speaker 2: of these even in this season.
- 1:52Speaker 1: But this also goes into the other.
- 1:54Speaker 2: Problem that I'm feeling that I don't know yet because
- 1:59Speaker 2: I haven't seen all of the episodes just yet, I
- 2:02Speaker 2: don't know how they're gonna wrap this up be you know,
- 2:04Speaker 2: if it's starting to get that feeling man like where
- 2:08Speaker 2: uh oh, maybe this isn't gonna be And there's a
- 2:14Speaker 2: lot of reasons behind that right there. You know, we've
- 2:16Speaker 2: discussed this before, how you know, the original showrunners were
- 2:20Speaker 2: fired or left. New showrunners came in, they reworked a
- 2:25Speaker 2: lot of it. We talked about last week how it's
- 2:29Speaker 2: really the first and second episodes, in the last episodes
- 2:32Speaker 2: that were really reworked the most, and so that Foggy
- 2:36Speaker 2: and Karen were always probably gonna be written off the show.
- 2:39Speaker 2: They were you know, Foggy was already gonna be killed
- 2:42Speaker 2: and Karen wished to be mourning for him, and that's why.
- 2:44Speaker 2: And you just wouldn't have seen it, so they we
- 2:46Speaker 2: worked it probably where you did see it. But then
- 2:49Speaker 2: we have these middle episodes that were you know, a
- 2:51Speaker 2: lot of stuff from the old show runner, and so
- 2:53Speaker 2: the new show runner had to do it with that
- 2:54Speaker 2: and deal with a lot of things. So I think
- 2:56Speaker 2: maybe season two of Born Again might be where we
- 2:59Speaker 2: finally see what you know, this team can do and.
- 3:02Speaker 1: You know how they do it and how they pull
- 3:03Speaker 1: it off.
- 3:05Speaker 4: Because I have several questions though.
- 3:07Speaker 3: Yeah, well one that you started off with, well, I
- 3:10Speaker 3: don't know how they're going to wrap this up. B Yeah,
- 3:12Speaker 3: the first question to that is what is there to
- 3:15Speaker 3: wrap up?
- 3:16Speaker 2: No, that is true because we are dealing with a
- 3:18Speaker 2: show that someone a Marvel said they want to do
- 3:22Speaker 2: infinite seasons up there Devil.
- 3:24Speaker 3: So even in the way that this this season has
- 3:28Speaker 3: been struggled.
- 3:28Speaker 1: You don't need infinite seasons of their devil fa.
- 3:31Speaker 4: You know what, I wouldn't be mad about it, to
- 3:33Speaker 4: be honest.
- 3:34Speaker 3: They need some type of anchor, and as long as
- 3:36Speaker 3: it's as long as it's at least grade B and above, I'm.
- 3:40Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay.
- 3:42Speaker 3: If you can have infinite seasons of the Walking Dead,
- 3:44Speaker 3: why can't you have seasons of Dear Devil.
- 3:46Speaker 1: So why not? You're right there.
- 3:48Speaker 3: You go back to the original question about what is
- 3:51Speaker 3: there to wrap up? Like, It's not like there's.
- 3:54Speaker 2: Wat I just was talking to Mellow last night and
- 3:56Speaker 2: I said I had said shops twenty eighteen.
- 3:59Speaker 4: And now I did and it's kind of oh.
- 4:02Speaker 1: No, it it came up and split fiction.
- 4:05Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, I could never say that again,
- 4:07Speaker 2: and he said, well, you ain't said this is twenty
- 4:08Speaker 2: eighteen anyway.
- 4:09Speaker 1: But you know, there we go.
- 4:11Speaker 3: When you think about how this season has been structured,
- 4:15Speaker 3: what is there to rap like besides muse like, what
- 4:21Speaker 3: what are we rapping?
- 4:22Speaker 1: Like?
- 4:24Speaker 3: This has There is no rapping of Kingpin. There is
- 4:27Speaker 3: no rapping of Matt Murda right like when to me,
- 4:32Speaker 3: what this series, at least his first season of the
- 4:34Speaker 3: Infinite Seasons represents is a reborn.
- 4:39Speaker 4: It's reborn, right and reincarnation right there.
- 4:42Speaker 3: It's the figurative and literal, the literal being the reboot.
- 4:46Speaker 3: It's the reboot of what all the ship we saw
- 4:48Speaker 3: on Netflix onto a new place. It's also from a
- 4:52Speaker 3: figurative perspective, you see Matt running away from who he
- 4:55Speaker 3: really is. No, my nigga use their devil stay there
- 4:59Speaker 3: and this nigga Wilson fist, No, you as not Mayor Adams.
- 5:03Speaker 4: You gots to become.
- 5:05Speaker 1: You know who you are.
- 5:06Speaker 4: You'se a thug. Okay.
- 5:07Speaker 3: It's like they're the same core people, but in different way.
- 5:11Speaker 3: They're being reborn back into their ministry, if you will.
- 5:15Speaker 4: So I feel like that's what this shit is about.
- 5:17Speaker 3: So it's an open ended story about them, their personal
- 5:22Speaker 3: struggles them and that should be a fucking pr expert
- 5:25Speaker 3: for this. It's about their struggles as people, is about
- 5:28Speaker 3: their struggles against each other. It's about their struggles against
- 5:32Speaker 3: the world. It's about them fighting their inner demons, their
- 5:35Speaker 3: outer demons. They're inner and the OUTI like, hey, these
- 5:39Speaker 3: people at the end of the day are nuts and
- 5:41Speaker 3: you're really It's like to me, it's a class on
- 5:44Speaker 3: psychological motivations and determinations and all this other stuff. Like
- 5:49Speaker 3: all the Asians like, that's what this shit is about.
- 5:52Speaker 3: It ain't about no one story line, and maybe it
- 5:55Speaker 3: will be next season, but right now I don't feel
- 5:57Speaker 3: like it is.
- 5:57Speaker 4: So I'm just like, wrap up what for you?
- 6:00Speaker 2: And you're right, And that's what I keep forgetting whenever
- 6:03Speaker 2: I think about, you know, this show wrapping up in storylines,
- 6:06Speaker 2: because it ain't.
- 6:08Speaker 3: They are perfectly being mad vague, and I actually kind
- 6:12Speaker 3: of do like them playing around because I also feel
- 6:14Speaker 3: like part of the reason why they're going this way
- 6:16Speaker 3: is because they have as a production, they have plot armor,
- 6:21Speaker 3: like their devil. They are marvel Is holding on the
- 6:24Speaker 3: devil for dear fucking life, like as they're trying to
- 6:28Speaker 3: rebuild the MCU and stuff like that. This is the
- 6:30Speaker 3: one where people still behind them one million percent and
- 6:33Speaker 3: they and they did good out the gate with the
- 6:35Speaker 3: first two episodes, so people us included.
- 6:38Speaker 4: We were just like, yo, they got it.
- 6:39Speaker 3: They back Ah, you know what I'm saying, Like they're
- 6:42Speaker 3: gonna be They're gonna hold onto this until the wheels
- 6:44Speaker 3: fall off, because what else do they have that's mad
- 6:47Speaker 3: strong besides all the old ship.
- 6:50Speaker 1: Right, And the question there though, is.
- 6:55Speaker 2: Right, Okay, this week I was checking out how all
- 6:58Speaker 2: the ratings and they're saying that this is below or
- 7:02Speaker 2: around the same level as Alkali, which was you know,
- 7:06Speaker 2: unceremoniously canceled below Agatha all along below, which people acted
- 7:14Speaker 2: like wasn't a hit, and you know, on the same
- 7:19Speaker 2: level with some other stuff. They said the first episodes
- 7:21Speaker 2: did wellish, you know, but it was still below like Agatha.
- 7:26Speaker 1: So how have.
- 7:26Speaker 4: They promoted this show? Where's the promotion?
- 7:30Speaker 2: Massive amount of commercials before?
- 7:34Speaker 3: Is it still ongoing like the Leader and the lead up?
- 7:37Speaker 3: They was going crazy like right now, is there still
- 7:40Speaker 3: continued push? I don't know or is it just what
- 7:43Speaker 3: they do with most Disney plus shit. It's just like
- 7:46Speaker 3: it is out every Wednesday. It's like, yeah, that's not
- 7:50Speaker 3: the fair feit.
- 7:51Speaker 4: I don't know that.
- 7:52Speaker 1: But what else do they have to push so far?
- 7:54Speaker 1: You know? That's the thing.
- 7:54Speaker 2: It's like they can't be like watch Fog you get
- 7:57Speaker 2: you know, hot pocketed. You know, they can't go They
- 8:00Speaker 2: ain't gotta come up with something.
- 8:02Speaker 3: Call Olivia, Pope, come fix this ship because they ain't.
- 8:06Speaker 1: And there will you know, avoid being who you want
- 8:08Speaker 1: to see?
- 8:08Speaker 3: That not even that, Just like how we were extolling
- 8:11Speaker 3: the virtues of the first two episodes, why is they
- 8:14Speaker 3: not leaning into that?
- 8:15Speaker 4: You can keep this ship is straight, This shit is hood.
- 8:18Speaker 1: This nigga is beating.
- 8:20Speaker 3: The bricks off these motherfuckers every week every week.
- 8:23Speaker 1: That's not a lie, this is true.
- 8:26Speaker 4: He folded that nigga like a lawn chair.
- 8:30Speaker 1: He folded man.
- 8:32Speaker 4: Y'all back up? How the fuck did that happen? Understand?
- 8:34Speaker 4: Like to me, yes, there may not be no one overarching.
- 8:38Speaker 3: Story like oh guess what happens next, but the heart
- 8:42Speaker 3: remains and that is consistent every fucking episode. Yeah, so
- 8:46Speaker 3: why are they not leaning to that. I'm not saying
- 8:48Speaker 3: there's no promotion. I just personally have not been inundated
- 8:52Speaker 3: like I thought I would be for something that was
- 8:55Speaker 3: supposed to be as big as they expected, Like I'm
- 8:58Speaker 3: expecting anytime in the fuck subway, I'm gonna see you
- 9:02Speaker 3: fucking ads.
- 9:03Speaker 4: I'm in the trying to train THEMN there every day.
- 9:06Speaker 4: Where are the ads?
- 9:07Speaker 1: That's the thing.
- 9:08Speaker 4: I mean. I don't be on Twitter, not Twitter, get Twitter.
- 9:10Speaker 4: I don't be on x no more. Whatever the fuck
- 9:13Speaker 4: are they running ads there?
- 9:15Speaker 1: Like?
- 9:15Speaker 3: Where where is this stuff? Is it on TikTok? I
- 9:18Speaker 3: don't see no ads. I'll be on TikTok all day.
- 9:20Speaker 3: I don't see nothing on that.
- 9:22Speaker 2: All right, Well, this is the thing. The bean counters know,
- 9:25Speaker 2: like you know, they've counted the beans already before the
- 9:27Speaker 2: show came out. They knew how much you know ratings,
- 9:29Speaker 2: the old Netflix DT they knew what it was. And
- 9:32Speaker 2: Daredevil has never been Balla's been crucial to us and
- 9:36Speaker 2: crucial to its fans. It's never been a Game of Thrones.
- 9:39Speaker 2: It's never been a stranger thing.
- 9:41Speaker 3: You're right, You're right. But it's always been talked about.
- 9:44Speaker 3: And I know this is being talked about seven years ago.
- 9:47Speaker 2: Remember that. That's the other crazy thing that people that
- 9:50Speaker 2: we forget. I just realized that today when I was yesterday,
- 9:53Speaker 2: when I was reading up about it.
- 9:54Speaker 1: It was seven years since season three. Yes, so.
- 10:03Speaker 4: Well that's pointing to hear it.
- 10:05Speaker 3: I did not know it was under Agatha all along,
- 10:09Speaker 3: So I'm I can't say I'm surprised. It's just I
- 10:12Speaker 3: just don't feel and maybe I'm in the wrong spaces,
- 10:15Speaker 3: but I'm like, we are the space too, So I
- 10:18Speaker 3: don't feel the energy.
- 10:20Speaker 2: No, That's what I'm saying. Every week it's like, Okay,
- 10:22Speaker 2: new episodes out. And that's the other thing. I don't
- 10:25Speaker 2: feel the energy from our audience and from the general
- 10:29Speaker 2: you know, nerd space. It's been like, okay, these episodes
- 10:32Speaker 2: are out, cool, you know, oh, you know, we hyped
- 10:34Speaker 2: it there. It was back those first two. But now
- 10:36Speaker 2: that we are on episode five, it's been like, Okay,
- 10:38Speaker 2: the shows, you know, it's there.
- 10:40Speaker 4: I'm about to look up, like I.
- 10:42Speaker 1: Just like this.
- 10:43Speaker 4: Niggas talking about it like you know what. And that's
- 10:45Speaker 4: another thing.
- 10:46Speaker 3: This is not because you mentioned, it's not being on
- 10:48Speaker 3: a level of like a Game of Thrones or anything
- 10:49Speaker 3: like that. People are not live tweeting it. No, at
- 10:52Speaker 3: least not to the and not saying no, one's not
- 10:54Speaker 3: doing it. I'm just saying to the extent of it
- 10:57Speaker 3: to really be a critical not but but public hit.
- 11:01Speaker 1: No.
- 11:01Speaker 2: But it also and it also beyond foggy you know,
- 11:04Speaker 2: taking them hot pockets. There just ain't no, there hasn't
- 11:08Speaker 2: been a moment yet, you know, fist beating up on
- 11:11Speaker 2: you know, or eating in front of Adam, you know whatever,
- 11:14Speaker 2: and that shit. Ain't you know that there has not
- 11:17Speaker 2: been another water cooler moments, you know as they.
- 11:20Speaker 1: Used to say.
- 11:21Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I don't know.
- 11:24Speaker 2: They've been solid episodes, but it's just been you know, well,
- 11:29Speaker 2: it's been a lot of And that's the other thing
- 11:31Speaker 2: that people are pointing out. It's been the Matt avoiding
- 11:35Speaker 2: the call, you know, the avoid you know, to avoid
- 11:38Speaker 2: the call storyline, which is a common trope, is going on.
- 11:43Speaker 4: You think that's what.
- 11:44Speaker 1: No, it's just drag stretched them out. You know they
- 11:48Speaker 1: dragged it. Yeah, they're dragging it. They damn sure dragging them.
- 11:51Speaker 2: My man put on the suit, you know, in episode
- 11:53Speaker 2: four and then this episode, we still don't see the
- 11:56Speaker 2: man in the suit. I mean, I get it, you know,
- 11:58Speaker 2: the situation was, but you know.
- 12:00Speaker 4: He could just jump out like man surprised.
- 12:04Speaker 2: This is kind of wild, and he did. He still
- 12:07Speaker 2: did the DVIL throughout this episode.
- 12:09Speaker 3: Right right to that point. On this episode, I really
- 12:14Speaker 3: like you. I really enjoyed it. I liked the levity
- 12:17Speaker 3: of the episode because he had some real like especially
- 12:20Speaker 3: the previous episode, some real depressing that ship go down
- 12:25Speaker 3: for the four four episode Dark and they reminded you
- 12:28Speaker 3: that this man is in this this man is for
- 12:30Speaker 3: the streets, in the streets, you know, of the streets.
- 12:34Speaker 4: Like for all this time, and I was just like, wow,
- 12:36Speaker 4: but this was good to have.
- 12:37Speaker 3: Like even some stuff that's a lot of things tongue
- 12:39Speaker 3: in cheek happened in this episode.
- 12:41Speaker 4: And then again just the.
- 12:43Speaker 3: Lighter tone that I appreciated, And of course I liked
- 12:46Speaker 3: the whole reminding everyone that this nigga's part of the
- 12:50Speaker 3: mc U. Let's do something that reminds you and something
- 12:54Speaker 3: not covert but direct. Hey, this these are heavy handed.
- 12:59Speaker 3: He even right these we were in the same universe.
- 13:02Speaker 3: I am going to push you in front of a
- 13:03Speaker 3: character from the same universe that's across the water, from
- 13:07Speaker 3: the same universe.
- 13:09Speaker 4: They were heavy and as hell.
- 13:10Speaker 3: When I watched this back the last first eleven minutes, I.
- 13:14Speaker 2: Was like, okay, yeah, and here's my Miss Marvel Funko
- 13:18Speaker 2: Pop custom made.
- 13:23Speaker 1: It was by Miss Marvel Funko Pops. Now it was
- 13:26Speaker 1: cute available now right.
- 13:29Speaker 4: I was like, oh he But then like again after
- 13:31Speaker 4: the second watch, I was like, okay, wait.
- 13:32Speaker 5: A minute, slow down here shout out to Mohan Kapoor
- 13:39Speaker 5: reprising his role as Kamala Khan's father, Yusuf Khan.
- 13:44Speaker 1: I forgot.
- 13:46Speaker 4: Let me tell you when I when he first came on,
- 13:47Speaker 4: I didn't know who he was, Like he wait, I didn't,
- 13:50Speaker 4: I didn't his face, I didn't. I didn't immediately remember him. Yeah.
- 13:55Speaker 4: It took me a minute and I was just like,
- 13:56Speaker 4: why does he look familiar?
- 14:00Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, right?
- 14:03Speaker 4: Did he always work at a bank? I think, or
- 14:05Speaker 4: did they trojan horse that? Like I guess, you know,
- 14:09Speaker 4: I mean, because I mean it's very easy to like,
- 14:12Speaker 4: what's that called retroactively put somebody in? But like I
- 14:18Speaker 4: was just like, was that always established?
- 14:21Speaker 1: You know?
- 14:21Speaker 2: I don't think they would just you know, add that in.
- 14:23Speaker 2: But at the same time, who the hell I'm not?
- 14:25Speaker 4: They made it.
- 14:26Speaker 3: They made it sure to tell you, I live in
- 14:28Speaker 3: Jersey City. It's not that far from where we are. Now,
- 14:30Speaker 3: let's chick on the pat train, Like.
- 14:32Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, He's like, you know, if you're wondering why
- 14:36Speaker 2: I'm in Manhattan, you know.
- 14:41Speaker 1: Why I don't work in the Jersey Bank, you know, why?
- 14:44Speaker 4: Are you right?
- 14:45Speaker 1: Right?
- 14:45Speaker 4: But that's like every New Jersey person. Yes, I funk
- 14:50Speaker 4: with the fact that they still kept it realistic.
- 14:52Speaker 3: Matt went in that fucking bank for a loan and
- 14:56Speaker 3: you was like, nah, you ain't got the credit, you
- 14:59Speaker 3: ain't got the fun.
- 15:00Speaker 1: And you felt good about doing it to a white
- 15:02Speaker 1: man ooh?
- 15:08Speaker 2: Or did he feel bad because you know he was
- 15:11Speaker 2: because he's no who knows.
- 15:16Speaker 4: And that was you stuff.
- 15:17Speaker 3: He was like an acting manager at that point, right,
- 15:19Speaker 3: Like he wasn't the manager, He's the normal manager.
- 15:21Speaker 4: He's assistant bank manager. That's what he is.
- 15:23Speaker 2: I didn't think it was you know, usas called to
- 15:25Speaker 2: turn him down for one. I think you yourself was
- 15:28Speaker 2: just there to relate the bad news.
- 15:30Speaker 3: But that nigga said no ten times basically. So no
- 15:34Speaker 3: matter what Matt said, it is what it is. I
- 15:37Speaker 3: do like though, how this ended up into being like
- 15:40Speaker 3: a classic bank heist bank robbery situation. For my understanding,
- 15:44Speaker 3: the people who rather bank aren't those the same Russian
- 15:47Speaker 3: niggas or Middle Eastern niggas, not Middle Eastern?
- 15:52Speaker 4: Yes, thank you.
- 15:52Speaker 3: I was gonna say European, not Middle Eastern, the same
- 15:55Speaker 3: European guys that were ordered to pay the one point
- 15:57Speaker 3: eight million, it's not those same people.
- 15:59Speaker 1: Well they were, iron I thought the one point I
- 16:02Speaker 1: think so. I think you're right. They were definitely robbing
- 16:04Speaker 1: the bank because of king Pin.
- 16:06Speaker 2: Right, and they said this, sat dude, ain't you know
- 16:09Speaker 2: we're gonna get the money and the fat man.
- 16:12Speaker 3: Okay, because that was the group like for whatever they did,
- 16:15Speaker 3: they did wrong. That's when he said, because it was
- 16:18Speaker 3: it was Vanessa's idea. She said, you know, telling.
- 16:20Speaker 4: Them to pay one point eight million, yep, yes, And
- 16:22Speaker 4: everybody'd be square.
- 16:23Speaker 2: So yeah, I think they were robbing. Yeah, they're robbing Kingpin.
- 16:27Speaker 2: They were trying to take king Pins money in that situation. Mmm,
- 16:31Speaker 2: I think I don't think they were robbing to pay them.
- 16:33Speaker 2: I think they were actually stealing his ship, do you
- 16:35Speaker 2: think so?
- 16:36Speaker 1: Yeah?
- 16:37Speaker 4: I think what was that gem situation about?
- 16:40Speaker 1: I think that's the Kingpins gym. I don't know, it.
- 16:44Speaker 4: Was just some random jewel that they decided they knew
- 16:47Speaker 4: was in there.
- 16:48Speaker 1: I guess I'm not you know, it doesn't really drag.
- 16:52Speaker 2: Yeah, that part they rushed in the bank, yapping and
- 16:56Speaker 2: they said something about the fat Man, and then from
- 16:58Speaker 2: there they you know, went on in and then you know,
- 17:01Speaker 2: I was more concerned about the bank and you know
- 17:02Speaker 2: what was going on. I'm sure it'll pay off or
- 17:05Speaker 2: not in a future episode.
- 17:07Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, okay, yeah.
- 17:10Speaker 2: But like you said, as far as the whole bank robbery,
- 17:12Speaker 2: the highest everything.
- 17:13Speaker 1: I liked it. I like the fact it was once
- 17:16Speaker 1: again a little convenient.
- 17:17Speaker 2: It's just like, you know, when it was lat Via Day,
- 17:20Speaker 2: you know, everyone just happens to be lat mean, you know,
- 17:22Speaker 2: when it Saints Patrick's Day, everyone just happened to be
- 17:25Speaker 2: Irish it's like suddenly, these because I don't remember any
- 17:30Speaker 2: of the gainst being Irish.
- 17:31Speaker 1: Maybe I just didn't hear it before. But you know, these.
- 17:35Speaker 2: Dudes came in, you know like blind me, you know,
- 17:38Speaker 2: or whatever Irish people say. I don't know, you know, why.
- 17:43Speaker 4: Why was it? And then all the Irish jokes.
- 17:45Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like whatever, stereotypical. We got a solicitor here.
- 17:48Speaker 2: You know, it's just like, you know, ridiculous. I was like, oh, okay,
- 17:51Speaker 2: you're Irish.
- 17:51Speaker 1: I get it.
- 17:52Speaker 4: Matt is of Irish or yes.
- 17:53Speaker 1: Matt is Irish. Yes, Yes, Matt.
- 17:56Speaker 4: Remind us about his father and his people's yes, and.
- 17:59Speaker 2: His you know, being a Catholic and all that type
- 18:02Speaker 2: of thing. So which is weird, but that's that's part
- 18:07Speaker 2: of Daredevil. That is like, I know, Catholic is a
- 18:11Speaker 2: pure you know, it's you're constantly reminded of it.
- 18:14Speaker 3: I know I've seen those panels, I've seen, but just
- 18:18Speaker 3: the way they did it here, it just seemed a
- 18:20Speaker 3: bit like, Okay, I get a guy.
- 18:23Speaker 2: I mean, this whole episode was a bit heavy handed.
- 18:25Speaker 2: You know, it's entertaining, but it.
- 18:27Speaker 3: Was entertaining, yes, but I do like just to get
- 18:31Speaker 3: back to the entertaining side of things. I do enjoy
- 18:34Speaker 3: how they really just and this is from a writing perspective,
- 18:38Speaker 3: they really did fantastic ways to stretch and really illustrate
- 18:41Speaker 3: the level of Matt's or Daredevil's.
- 18:47Speaker 4: Powers quote unquote right, So like him using hearing alone
- 18:52Speaker 4: to fucking open a bank fault. That ship was fine,
- 18:56Speaker 4: That ship was fucking fire.
- 18:58Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 18:59Speaker 3: I never knew, like, like you know, like characters when
- 19:02Speaker 3: they make him do new shit with the powers they've
- 19:04Speaker 3: always had here just liken't even I never thought that
- 19:06Speaker 3: they would apply that in that way.
- 19:09Speaker 4: They did that here.
- 19:09Speaker 1: I like it.
- 19:10Speaker 2: Yeah, Now Daredevil especially, I think it's a Wade and
- 19:15Speaker 2: Mark Wade. He did a run on There Devil where
- 19:17Speaker 2: it's more like this episode where it wasn't such like
- 19:20Speaker 2: normally the runs on There Devils. Daredel gets his ass
- 19:22Speaker 2: beat every every you know fight he gets in and
- 19:25Speaker 2: how bad you beat up There Devil is? You know
- 19:28Speaker 2: your Mark is a writer pretty much you know what
- 19:31Speaker 2: shit you put him through. But Mark Wade did a
- 19:32Speaker 2: different type of run where it was more lighthearted type
- 19:35Speaker 2: of thing and he was fighting more. It was more
- 19:38Speaker 2: Marvel related where he was fighting more like not just
- 19:41Speaker 2: street people. Like he fought Claw in one run you know,
- 19:46Speaker 2: one three episode, you know, and Claw deals with sound
- 19:49Speaker 2: and has sound as a weapon. So it was a
- 19:52Speaker 2: really ill fight and a really ill like three issues
- 19:56Speaker 2: where Matt had to deal with somebody who is very
- 19:59Speaker 2: powerful comparatively to Matt. And because not the Claw you
- 20:02Speaker 2: know from the MCU Claw and the comics, is a
- 20:06Speaker 2: whole different beasts. He a monster, you know what I mean,
- 20:08Speaker 2: He ain't somebody to be trifled with. And you know,
- 20:11Speaker 2: he's way above Matt in power level. Like he's made
- 20:15Speaker 2: of sound.
- 20:16Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you got to be above man only that's
- 20:19Speaker 4: his only.
- 20:20Speaker 2: Yeah, Like the dude is made of sound energy, you know,
- 20:24Speaker 2: and can control sound, can make sound monsters. He you know,
- 20:28Speaker 2: he's a different like he's green lantern like type shit.
- 20:31Speaker 1: You know, he's different. He different.
- 20:33Speaker 2: So yeah, but that's what I'm saying. That was this
- 20:36Speaker 2: episode reminded me of that when people do that version
- 20:39Speaker 2: of Day Level where it's showing that Daar level. Even
- 20:42Speaker 2: though he is a street dude, he does have powers
- 20:44Speaker 2: and his powers, when applied right, can handle a lot
- 20:48Speaker 2: of different situations.
- 20:50Speaker 3: Yeah, it was giving again, just they did very well
- 20:54Speaker 3: to stretch that and show how you can, as mentioned,
- 20:59Speaker 3: apply his powers in different ways. I really liked that
- 21:02Speaker 3: they kind of added in some some Oceans eleven type
- 21:05Speaker 3: shit in there, with the with the passing off of
- 21:07Speaker 3: the jewel and this and that and making it look
- 21:09Speaker 3: like someone took in the sleight of hand all that
- 21:12Speaker 3: magic shit like that was clever and that's what also
- 21:16Speaker 3: lent to the entertainment factor of this episode.
- 21:19Speaker 2: Shout out to Spike Lee because it definitely reminded me
- 21:22Speaker 2: of Inside Man.
- 21:23Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that's very much Inside Man.
- 21:25Speaker 2: Yes, this whole episode felt like a tribute. It felt
- 21:28Speaker 2: like they even had some of the same shots from
- 21:30Speaker 2: the Inside Man. I'm not sure that was the same bank,
- 21:33Speaker 2: but it might have been, because even when like the
- 21:37Speaker 2: straw cards pulled up outside, I was like, hold up,
- 21:39Speaker 2: this feels like the same joint because I love Inside Man.
- 21:44Speaker 2: And also, that was the actor who plays Rose from
- 21:48Speaker 2: the Last Jedi right as the No.
- 21:52Speaker 4: You talking about Detective Angie Kim.
- 21:53Speaker 1: Oh that's not her. I know her from I want.
- 21:58Speaker 3: To say no, but I'm gonna look her up really quick.
- 22:00Speaker 3: But but her character's name is Detective Angie Kim. Her
- 22:03Speaker 3: name she's been in Black Mirror and stuff. Her name
- 22:07Speaker 3: is Oh, I don't know if I'm pronouncing this right,
- 22:10Speaker 3: rub Chan.
- 22:12Speaker 1: Not the woman who plays Rose.
- 22:14Speaker 4: No, it's not. I mean she looks completely different.
- 22:17Speaker 1: Has she been in.
- 22:20Speaker 4: She's been before?
- 22:22Speaker 2: I could look, but I was because it felt like
- 22:25Speaker 2: when she showed him she felt familiar.
- 22:27Speaker 3: She felt familiar to you, But we just saw her
- 22:30Speaker 3: in an earlier episode we did.
- 22:32Speaker 4: I thought that because I.
- 22:34Speaker 3: Felt familiarity too, But I was like, that's just because
- 22:37Speaker 3: we've seen her before.
- 22:38Speaker 1: Maybe she was.
- 22:39Speaker 3: She has been in Black Mirror, she's been in Orange
- 22:41Speaker 3: is the New Black Start in the Junk, she been
- 22:45Speaker 3: on Jessica Jones.
- 22:46Speaker 1: There it is.
- 22:47Speaker 4: She wassode as a character named.
- 22:49Speaker 2: May oh well, not even in the same character. Damn oh,
- 22:53Speaker 2: damn well didn't know. Yeah, So No, I thought she'd
- 22:57Speaker 2: shown her before, as you know Detective Kilm and.
- 22:59Speaker 4: I I know I butchered her name. I want I
- 23:02Speaker 4: want to say her name.
- 23:02Speaker 1: Probably well, she didn't confuse her another with another person.
- 23:05Speaker 3: So but okay, I'm not gonna say anything about that.
- 23:10Speaker 3: But I was going to ask you about that. I
- 23:12Speaker 3: was going to ask you about about Detective Kim. No,
- 23:15Speaker 3: she was she gonna be relevant to something later because
- 23:18Speaker 3: or was it just because of this episode, Like she's
- 23:21Speaker 3: focusing on his people, just like they focusing on Miss
- 23:24Speaker 3: Latvia Sophia, the last one.
- 23:26Speaker 1: I promise ain't coming back.
- 23:28Speaker 4: Are we ever going to see these people again?
- 23:29Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think this is one off.
- 23:31Speaker 2: If detective if the detective Kim didn't show up before,
- 23:35Speaker 2: I doubt she's gonna show up again.
- 23:38Speaker 1: If this one straight up played another character before, I
- 23:40Speaker 1: doubt it. Yeah.
- 23:42Speaker 2: No, sadly once again, unless you know, we talk about
- 23:46Speaker 2: the infinite seasons, you know, and they returned, you know,
- 23:51Speaker 2: in season two.
- 23:53Speaker 1: Mm hmm the Latvian.
- 23:56Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know, because a lot of that, okay,
- 24:01Speaker 2: especially that I feel like that was left over from that,
- 24:04Speaker 2: you know, the original when they wanted to do more
- 24:06Speaker 2: of a courtroom drama, because what happened to the prosecutor,
- 24:11Speaker 2: who was like, I'm going.
- 24:12Speaker 1: To unleash hell on you for pulling this.
- 24:14Speaker 3: Stunt, Matt right right right, see, I see that's the
- 24:18Speaker 3: only man vanished.
- 24:20Speaker 2: Shit, Well, this is only this episode, you know. Maybe
- 24:26Speaker 2: they return in six, seven, eight nine, maybe, but we
- 24:30Speaker 2: have a lot of other things to deal with. So
- 24:32Speaker 2: I don't see why they would other than you know,
- 24:34Speaker 2: him unleashing hell on Matt Murdoch.
- 24:37Speaker 4: Rubo Shan. I think, yeah.
- 24:40Speaker 2: But Matt Murdoch game. You know, Matt Murder ga't worried
- 24:43Speaker 2: about that. You know he got high powered money over
- 24:45Speaker 2: there at his firm.
- 24:46Speaker 3: He good, right, So you gave them credit, not credit,
- 24:49Speaker 3: You gave them a plus on this episode generally because
- 24:52Speaker 3: you like that it was a standalone, self contained episode.
- 24:56Speaker 2: I just have to accept that, you know, this is
- 24:58Speaker 2: also when you're dealing with that, you I have to
- 25:00Speaker 2: accept that you're have to be ready for infinite seasons
- 25:03Speaker 2: and they'll be payoff at the end of this one.
- 25:07Speaker 3: Well, let's let's explore that, because I don't know if
- 25:09Speaker 3: I have much more to say about this episode, but
- 25:11Speaker 3: I'm curious. Great, but I'm curious what you say. What
- 25:15Speaker 3: it's going to be the big payoff for this Like,
- 25:17Speaker 3: it's not.
- 25:17Speaker 1: Muse, No, definitely ain't mused.
- 25:21Speaker 4: It can't be.
- 25:22Speaker 3: And the reason why I say it's not mused is
- 25:24Speaker 3: because I just I don't see it for mus in
- 25:26Speaker 3: that way.
- 25:26Speaker 4: So that's not pay off of me. So I'm trying to, yes, what.
- 25:33Speaker 3: Is it besides what I said, is it's not about payoff,
- 25:39Speaker 3: It's about the lessons we've learned along the way, Like
- 25:42Speaker 3: music is.
- 25:42Speaker 2: Not fetched and that's the problem. We have not learned
- 25:45Speaker 2: any goddamn lessons. The only thing we've learned is Marvel
- 25:48Speaker 2: wanted to make more Dared level. Because that's that's my thing.
- 25:50Speaker 2: Is like this season because it feels jumbled. It doesn't
- 25:53Speaker 2: feel like there's a through line other than avoiding being
- 25:57Speaker 2: Dared Devil and avoiding being Keenpin.
- 26:00Speaker 4: Which you don't jumbled now or you felt like that
- 26:03Speaker 4: from the beginning.
- 26:05Speaker 2: I started to felt like that with the last episode
- 26:07Speaker 2: and then with this episode, yes, because you know, I've
- 26:11Speaker 2: really enjoyed this episode having only knowing that there's six, seven,
- 26:15Speaker 2: eight nine, fauxmo. You know, we've already done five, and
- 26:20Speaker 2: I feel like we're kind of like, uh, where are
- 26:24Speaker 2: we going with this? You know, muse the big new threat?
- 26:26Speaker 2: I don't think so, like, you know, like mus making
- 26:30Speaker 2: it past this season maybe maybe to you know, make
- 26:34Speaker 2: me care about this dude, you know. And then the
- 26:37Speaker 2: other thing is where we're going in general Daredevil and
- 26:41Speaker 2: Kingpin avoiding being Daredevil and Kingpin, which I really feel
- 26:44Speaker 2: that we had to have seen that at some point
- 26:45Speaker 2: in those other three seasons.
- 26:47Speaker 4: I don't know if we had, well, I don't recall.
- 26:49Speaker 1: If we have, but and that Nigga never wanted to
- 26:50Speaker 1: be there devil.
- 26:53Speaker 4: In the beginning. I don't want it. I get it,
- 26:56Speaker 4: but I don't know.
- 26:58Speaker 3: I do like the character search and the character acting
- 27:02Speaker 3: between the two.
- 27:03Speaker 4: So I'm okay with if it was done before. I'm
- 27:05Speaker 4: okay with it.
- 27:06Speaker 1: I'm not mad at it.
- 27:07Speaker 2: That seem we say this every week. They do such
- 27:10Speaker 2: a fantastic job that I could watch them do anything.
- 27:13Speaker 2: I was listening to our episode last week. We were
- 27:15Speaker 2: talking about, you know, watching John Barnthal read the phone Book.
- 27:19Speaker 1: You know it'd be great.
- 27:22Speaker 2: You know, Charlie Cox, Vincent down the line, everybody in
- 27:26Speaker 2: they passed pretty much, you know, especially the old school.
- 27:30Speaker 2: I really am missing my girl, you know, Karen right now?
- 27:35Speaker 4: What was she.
- 27:36Speaker 3: Besides just that you just think she's hot? Like, what
- 27:39Speaker 3: are you missing from her?
- 27:41Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, I mean, I'm not trying
- 27:45Speaker 1: to be.
- 27:45Speaker 3: Funny, like I'm not hers the character, but like, what
- 27:48Speaker 3: what would she have again? Not her as an actor
- 27:50Speaker 3: or anything like that. There is no disrespect, but Karen
- 27:53Speaker 3: being there. Besides, I guess another additional heart of this series.
- 27:57Speaker 3: Her inclusion would have done what.
- 27:59Speaker 2: For I really don't know, You're right, because that's seen
- 28:01Speaker 2: Cherry is doing the job she did playing the investigator,
- 28:05Speaker 2: and I like Cherry.
- 28:05Speaker 4: And then you got the new girl, the new lawyer
- 28:08Speaker 4: playing Foggy who playing basically so.
- 28:14Speaker 3: And I, you know, I just realized from Severance because
- 28:17Speaker 3: I just you know, started wat.
- 28:19Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 28:20Speaker 2: It took me a second. Honestly, I was watching like
- 28:22Speaker 2: two episodes of there was like, where do I know
- 28:24Speaker 2: this woman from? And then I'm like, oh.
- 28:27Speaker 1: My god, I know this woman? You know?
- 28:29Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, but yeah, yeah, not much. And I
- 28:35Speaker 2: was up the camp who when you know, Foggy hot
- 28:37Speaker 2: the hot Pockets, I you know, made jokes about it.
- 28:39Speaker 1: Obviously I did not care, like I don't care now.
- 28:41Speaker 4: It didn't affect anything.
- 28:43Speaker 3: And I think I'm not trying to say certain I'm
- 28:46Speaker 3: not trying to say these characters are the throwaway I'm just.
- 28:49Speaker 4: Trying to be realistic about the fact that we've.
- 28:53Speaker 3: Under you said it, infinite seasons, not necessarily a big
- 28:58Speaker 3: wrap up or pale off h so people can be
- 29:03Speaker 3: thrown in and out like Marvel versus capcom like it
- 29:05Speaker 3: is what it is, that's what they're that's how they're
- 29:07Speaker 3: doing it, that's how.
- 29:07Speaker 4: They plan it.
- 29:08Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe Karen returns in season two for like, you know,
- 29:11Speaker 1: my big arc.
- 29:13Speaker 3: And there's plenty of material in the comics to pull from,
- 29:17Speaker 3: like they could go places with this.
- 29:19Speaker 4: And I just feel like this, I've said this before.
- 29:23Speaker 3: Daredevil is their anchor right now, and then besides Doctor Strange,
- 29:27Speaker 3: that is their main anchor, and they are going to
- 29:29Speaker 3: connect as many things to it as possible. We just
- 29:33Speaker 3: right now, we just fucking have Miss Marvel connect her
- 29:36Speaker 3: father connect. You got all these other motherfuckers connect, like
- 29:40Speaker 3: we randomly White Tiger right now, whatever potentially White Tiger
- 29:45Speaker 3: connections have we have from the books, that's gonna connect.
- 29:48Speaker 1: Like I have a bad feeling about White Tiger.
- 29:52Speaker 2: I mean, I just feel like, I don't know, maybe
- 29:54Speaker 2: hopefully they do, you know, do the storyline with his
- 29:57Speaker 2: niece taking a little bit you know after they have
- 29:59Speaker 2: it's so young that unless she you know, kids with
- 30:03Speaker 2: you know, Miss Marvel.
- 30:04Speaker 3: Maybe Yeah, And as I mentioned, they made it clear
- 30:06Speaker 3: where in the time may they are?
- 30:08Speaker 4: Where? Where Earth? What city?
- 30:11Speaker 3: Who's around in that city, so we can connect some
- 30:13Speaker 3: dots pretty easily about, well, who else is in New
- 30:16Speaker 3: York or the New Tri State area at that same time.
- 30:20Speaker 2: Well, there's definitely Spider Man, it's just nobody knows who
- 30:22Speaker 2: the fuck he is.
- 30:25Speaker 4: It's it's so many people. Wilson hates them all.
- 30:28Speaker 3: So they're all there, and we still have yet to
- 30:30Speaker 3: see Frank Castle come out swords like Master Splinter.
- 30:34Speaker 1: What happens then, is Bulls going to get out of prison?
- 30:38Speaker 4: Dexter Dexter?
- 30:40Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I don't know. Man is like, you.
- 30:43Speaker 4: Know, I just can't not believe that he's a lot, Like.
- 30:48Speaker 3: There's no adamantium going on. I don't understand how.
- 30:50Speaker 2: He made it out there, but whatever, I'm so mad
- 30:53Speaker 2: that they really broke this man's back twice, like they
- 30:56Speaker 2: really just like forget about the old Dare Devil in
- 31:00Speaker 2: that one. They really did forget that. The last season
- 31:03Speaker 2: ended with this man on the operating table.
- 31:06Speaker 4: He's a crash test dummy.
- 31:08Speaker 1: He's fire Marshall Bill over here, let me something.
- 31:14Speaker 4: But that's but that.
- 31:14Speaker 3: That's all I got about about episode five. I would
- 31:18Speaker 3: give it a thumbs up. It was very enjoyable. You
- 31:20Speaker 3: know we said what we said.
- 31:22Speaker 4: I don't know about you.
- 31:23Speaker 2: No, that's you know, very enjoyable, very solid. You know,
- 31:27Speaker 2: like I said, I like the tribute to you know,
- 31:29Speaker 2: Ocean's eleven Inside Man type movies. This was really felt
- 31:33Speaker 2: like Inside Man and that's one of my favorite films.
- 31:36Speaker 1: So, you know, great, great episode.
- 31:39Speaker 2: And you know Charlie doing that action breaking them dudes down,
- 31:43Speaker 2: you know, breaking the gun apart.
- 31:45Speaker 1: All that type of shit. I love that. I love it.
- 31:47Speaker 1: I love it.
- 31:48Speaker 2: I love when he wroes break guns apart, like when
- 31:50Speaker 2: Bruce Wayne did it. I loved it when you know,
- 31:53Speaker 2: when he did it in this episode. I just always
- 31:55Speaker 2: loved it.
- 31:56Speaker 4: Joking your weapons canna harm me?
- 31:57Speaker 1: Yeah, like they just when just disassembled and ship.
- 32:02Speaker 2: I don't need this, you know, like because you don't like,
- 32:04Speaker 2: oh get the gun and you know, oh that.
- 32:07Speaker 4: Reminds me that I lie. I do have one more
- 32:09Speaker 4: thing them to share.
- 32:11Speaker 3: How Matt played homeboy in the stairwell, just like, well,
- 32:14Speaker 3: I gotta go to the bathroom, can you come with me?
- 32:16Speaker 4: Like that whole thing, and then.
- 32:19Speaker 3: Just trying to keep him quiet WI fighting that That's.
- 32:24Speaker 4: Why I'm like, how can you not promote this show
- 32:27Speaker 4: properly this year.
- 32:28Speaker 2: That scene was fire. That's scene they could they could
- 32:31Speaker 2: show that, show.
- 32:33Speaker 4: That what heroes are doing that right.
- 32:34Speaker 1: Now, lean back to catch the joint like all of that,
- 32:38Speaker 1: Like you're you're.
- 32:39Speaker 4: Are you are actively melee fighting while falling in a
- 32:45Speaker 4: loud ass stairwell trying to be quiet. Meanwhile, you need
- 32:51Speaker 4: here to know what's going on because you can't see
- 32:55Speaker 4: and they're niggas getting hostage upstairs. Like that's pressure.
- 32:59Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what you need to be showing the people
- 33:01Speaker 3: out here in the streets. Look at the pressure this
- 33:03Speaker 3: niggas on every fucking episode and how he gets himself
- 33:07Speaker 3: out of it. That's that's the threat. That's how they
- 33:10Speaker 3: promote it. See, you asked me, what does there to
- 33:12Speaker 3: look for? How is there devil gonna get.
- 33:14Speaker 4: Out of this one?
- 33:15Speaker 2: It's it just feels like it's that thing. And this
- 33:18Speaker 2: last thing is like you said, it's you know, the
- 33:20Speaker 2: typical Disney plus thing they put things out and their
- 33:22Speaker 2: ideal with it. You know, we move on to the
- 33:25Speaker 2: next They already you know, they got to work on
- 33:27Speaker 2: Thunderbolts is dropping, you know, Fantastic four right after that,
- 33:31Speaker 2: So they're like already you know, and full the next one.
- 33:34Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, all right.
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