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New Investigation into Disappearance of Mom, 26, Mayo Clinic Researcher · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace and absolutely beautiful young Minnesota
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Speaker 1: mom is laughing and joking and texting with her sister,
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Speaker 1: and then suddenly she seemingly vanishes off the face of
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Speaker 1: the earth. Where is Madeline? I'm Nancy Grace. This is
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here at
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Speaker 1: Fox Nation in serious xem one eleven. First of all,
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Speaker 1: take a listen to our friends at GMA.
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Speaker 2: The desperate search to find a missing Minnesota mom of
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Speaker 2: two who disappeared eight days ago.
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Speaker 1: Please help us find Madeline.
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Speaker 2: The children need their mother went on a Police officials
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Speaker 2: say twenty six year old Madeline Maddie Kingsbury's disappearance is
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Speaker 2: suspicious and they are worried for her safety.
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Speaker 3: Our department and our law enforcement partners are working relentlessly
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Speaker 3: to find Maddie. Maddie, who's last seen in the morning
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Speaker 3: of Friday, March thirty. First, Maddie and the father of
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Speaker 3: their children drop the children off at daycare shortly after
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Speaker 3: eight am. Maddie did not show up for work, which
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Speaker 3: is very unlike her, and we are worried for her safety.
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Speaker 3: During the course of our investigation, we know that Maddy
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Speaker 3: returned to her residence at Carry Drive and went on
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Speaker 3: up around eight fifteen am on March thirty first. The
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Speaker 3: vehicle that Maddy normally drives is a twenty fourteen dark
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Speaker 3: blue Chrysler town Country Mini.
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Speaker 1: There you know, when you don't know where to start
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Speaker 1: or what to do, just imagine put yourself in the
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Speaker 1: shoes of this beautiful young mom's family. Everything seems fine,
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Speaker 1: and then out of the blue they realize we haven't
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Speaker 1: heard from Maddie. Who is Mattie. That's where you start
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Speaker 1: an investigation with your You are just hearing not only
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Speaker 1: our friends at GMA, but also Chief Tom Wilson of
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Speaker 1: the Wenona Police Department. But now take a listen to
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Speaker 1: what we know about who is Mattie.
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Speaker 4: On Mother's Day twenty twenty two, Madeline Kingsbury wrote on
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Speaker 4: Facebook quote being a mother has been my greatest adventure.
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Speaker 4: I could have sworn they were little, both newborns on
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Speaker 4: my chest yesterday. Happy Mother's Day to all you Mama
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Speaker 4: is out there. Madeline Kingsbury, known to her friends and
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Speaker 4: family as Mattie, is a twenty six year old mother
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Speaker 4: of two five year old daughter Eleana two year old
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Speaker 4: son Noah. For the last three years she's been working
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Speaker 4: at the Mayo Clinic. According to her LinkedIn profile, Mattie
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Speaker 4: is a clinical research coordinator for public Health, infectious Disease
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Speaker 4: and Occupational medicine research at Mayo Clinic, with a demonstrated
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Speaker 4: history of working in human subjects research. Mattie attained her
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Speaker 4: bachelor's science degree in public health healthcare administration from Monona
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Speaker 4: State University in twenty nineteen, and she was working toward
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Speaker 4: a master's degree in public health from the University of
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Speaker 4: Minnesota School of Public Health. And in the last month
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Speaker 4: she was also looking for childcare providers with openings for
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Speaker 4: this summer. Safe to say, Maddie is a very busy woman.
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Speaker 1: Wow, she didn't just fall off the turnip truck. Huh. Guys,
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Speaker 1: I got an all star panel to make sense of
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Speaker 1: what we know right now. But I'm going to go
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Speaker 1: first to a renowned psychiatrist joining us out of the
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Speaker 1: Atlanta jurisdiction. You can find her at Angela Arnold MD
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Speaker 1: dot com. Doctor Angie. Did you hear what our friends
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Speaker 1: at crime online dot com just said about Madeline Kingsbury.
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Speaker 1: This woman, she's twenty six years old with two children,
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Speaker 1: is already working at the most renowned one of the
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Speaker 1: most renowned facilities in the world, at the Mayo Clinic,
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Speaker 1: and she is in clinical research. Not only that, she
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Speaker 1: has two children she's raising and juggling all of that
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Speaker 1: all at the same time. Now, all of that is amazing,
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Speaker 1: but I'm trying to figure out where is Madeline. And
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Speaker 1: the first thing you do when you look at your victim,
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Speaker 1: where would she have been? Well, she apparently goes to
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Speaker 1: work and she comes home to be with her children.
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Speaker 1: Work at home, work at home, completely devoted to her children,
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Speaker 1: and to work at Mayo Clinic. You can't be a slacker.
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Speaker 1: You got to be there on time, bright eyed and bushytail,
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Speaker 1: ready to go. So this is not a woman that.
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Speaker 1: Oh yet she had a drug problem. So maybe she's
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Speaker 1: with her supplying her or maybe she's out, you know,
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Speaker 1: pedling dope on the corner, or she's a boozer. Last
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Speaker 1: time I saw her, they were it was the last
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Speaker 1: call at the bar down the street. No risky behavior
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Speaker 1: at all. Could you explain why that's so significant when
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Speaker 1: a woman goes missing.
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Speaker 5: Well, also, Nancy, let's point out that she has future plans.
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Speaker 5: She has future plans to get her MPH, her master's
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Speaker 5: in public health, which is no, which is no easy
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Speaker 5: thing to acquire. Okay, if the listeners out there don't
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Speaker 5: understand what that means, you get a master's in public
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Speaker 5: health is a very difficult to degree to get.
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Speaker 1: Okay, Actually, doctor Angie, I don't. I mean I have
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Speaker 1: a master's and my yours doctor, but I don't know
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Speaker 1: what is a master's in public health.
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Speaker 5: Oftentimes you get that degree if you do want to
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Speaker 5: be in the research field in academics, and it's a
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Speaker 5: it's a very I'm just telling you, it's a very
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Speaker 5: difficult degree to get, to be admitted to and to acquire.
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Speaker 5: So this woman has some very some very big future
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Speaker 5: plans for herself. She's not a secretary, not that there's
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Speaker 5: anything wrong with being a secretary, but she has a
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Speaker 5: very big job at the Mayo Clinic, which she is
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Speaker 5: planning to extend. She's planning to make her job bigger
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Speaker 5: at the Mayo Clinic. So, no, this is not a person.
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Speaker 5: You don't play around in academics. You don't not show
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Speaker 5: up for work. There are a lot of people depending
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Speaker 5: on her. People depend on her to get their grants
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Speaker 5: sent there at the proper time and things like that.
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Speaker 5: So I'm sure she had a schedule that she kept.
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Speaker 5: I'm sure that she was. You know, she drops her
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Speaker 5: kids off, she goes to work. She's a working mom.
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Speaker 5: She's a working mom with a very big job, and
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Speaker 5: people and a lot of people depend on her in
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Speaker 5: that job that she's doing.
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Speaker 1: All Donia, you just says something really really important, and
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Speaker 1: I'm going to follow it with Julie Gase, John Lawrence
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Speaker 1: and joining me from CBS there in Minnesota, WCC. I'm
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Speaker 1: getting right to you, and also with a special guest,
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Speaker 1: Meghan Kingsbury. This is Madeline's sister. Hold On just a second.
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Speaker 1: I want to follow up with something doctor Angie just
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Speaker 1: said regarding her schedule. Hold On, let me make a
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Speaker 1: note of exactly what I wanted to say. But doctor Angie,
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Speaker 1: I agree with you about being a secretary. You know,
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Speaker 1: my mom started off as a secretary and at a
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Speaker 1: pulp and paper company. She went on to run the
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Speaker 1: payroll and then turn into the CFO of a fortune
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Speaker 1: five hundred company one of their plans. So you know,
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't snibble at being a secretary. That said, I
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Speaker 1: agree with everything else that you just said. Julie Gates,
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Speaker 1: Major Law enforcement, crime scene investigator, forensic science program coordinator
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Speaker 1: and instructor at the Southern Crescent Technical College, and joining
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Speaker 1: her today is her entire class of I guess criminal
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Speaker 1: procedure students. Julie, thank you for being with us. Did
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Speaker 1: you hear what doctor Angela Arnold said? Everything she said
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Speaker 1: was correct, but I'm especially hinged on what she said
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Speaker 1: regarding Madeline Kingsbury's schedule. So this is a woman that
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Speaker 1: runs research or part of it at the Mayo Clinic.
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Speaker 1: She's raising two children, she's in the middle of working
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Speaker 1: on her master's degree. Julie, I don't know if this
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Speaker 1: is the right way or the wrong way to live,
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Speaker 1: if there is such a thing. But I actually have
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Speaker 1: to divide my day starting at five am, into fifty
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Speaker 1: minute increments until I pick up my twins from school.
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Speaker 1: Then everything's off. But a lot of that sounds crazy
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Speaker 1: to a lot of people, But to a high achiever
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Speaker 1: like this woman, Madeline Kingsbury, I bet she had segmented
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Speaker 1: times of the day. This is when I get up.
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Speaker 1: This is when I make the breakfast for the children.
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Speaker 1: This is when I wake them up. This is when
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Speaker 1: I feed the cat and the dog and the guinea pigs.
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Speaker 1: This is when I give them their breakfast. This is
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Speaker 1: what time we leave or drop off. This is what
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Speaker 1: time I get home, this is what time I go
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Speaker 1: to work, and then on and on until she picks
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Speaker 1: them up from school. Significance Julie Gates, we know where
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Speaker 1: to find her because she must be a very highly
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Speaker 1: regimented person to do everything she's doing.
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Speaker 6: It seems like she's very detailed and schedule oriented. So
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Speaker 6: I do agree that, yeah, she's probably on a schedule
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Speaker 6: that you know, she takes her kids to school this time,
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Speaker 6: and you know everyone's depending on her. So yeah, she
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Speaker 6: does have a schedule in a regime that she would
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Speaker 6: follow daily.
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Speaker 1: Okay, Julie Gates, you are an incredible forensic investigators. Investigator,
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Speaker 1: I don't need an echo chamber. I just said that.
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Speaker 1: I want you to tell me how that translates into
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Speaker 1: finding a missing woman. We know her schedule. She's highly regimented.
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Speaker 1: It's not like she's just wandering around walking circles at
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Speaker 1: the mall all day.
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Speaker 6: Nobody goes to victimology. I have to look at her victimology.
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Speaker 6: You know what, who she's with, what she's doing during
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Speaker 6: the day, you know that schedule does help.
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Speaker 1: That man, you're not kidding. It kind of a it's
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Speaker 1: not a kneel and a haystack. You kind of know
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Speaker 1: where to start. Time stories with Nancy Grace. Who is
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Speaker 1: this woman? And how at one moment was she laughing
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Speaker 1: and talking and joking, sending funny pictures back and forth
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Speaker 1: to her sister And the next thing the sister says, Mom,
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Speaker 1: have you heard from Mattie? And joining me right now?
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Speaker 1: Is that sister Megan Kingsbury. And you can find her
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Speaker 1: on Facebook finding Madeline Kingsbury and go fundme, Go fund
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Speaker 1: me the search for Mattie and there they spell it
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Speaker 1: M A D D I not Madeline Megan Kingsbury. First
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Speaker 1: of all, I want to tell you how much my
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Speaker 1: heart's going out to you. I have one sister and
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Speaker 1: she lives far away, and when I don't hear from her, say,
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Speaker 1: in a week, I get worried and I cannot. She's
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Speaker 1: the closest thing to me. And I'm sorry what you're
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Speaker 1: going to Megan, We all are thank you.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, she's my best friend.
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Speaker 4: Goys.
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Speaker 1: I hardly know where to start, but you know what,
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Speaker 1: Let's hear Megan in her own words, describing her sister, Listen.
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Speaker 8: Madeline is a hard working and dedicated mother as well
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Speaker 8: as a grad student at the U of M and
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Speaker 8: works for the Male Clinic. Family is everything to her.
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Speaker 8: She's grown into an impressive and beautiful young woman. Madeline
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Speaker 8: is many things.
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Speaker 9: She's a mother, sister, and daughter, best friend, granddaughter, and
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Speaker 9: a niece. It's a long list. She's a young mother
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Speaker 9: of to five year old Eleanna two year old Noah.
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Speaker 9: Ellie is spunky and goofy. She loves to be crafty
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Speaker 9: and creative. She's inherited her mother's kindness and curiosity about
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Speaker 9: the world. Little Noah has turned into a chatterbox. I
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Speaker 9: can't tell what he sets up the time. He loves
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Speaker 9: to dance, he loves rock.
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Speaker 8: And roll, and he was blessed with the red headed
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Speaker 8: gene for my grandfather.
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Speaker 1: Megan. First of all, tell me about your sister's children.
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Speaker 1: Her two babies. I believe they are. I guess they're
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Speaker 1: in preschool, right, yeah.
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Speaker 7: Ellie attended a Montessori preschool in Winona, and then Noah
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Speaker 7: went to in home daycare and Winona as well.
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Speaker 1: Tell me about her relationship with her children.
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Speaker 7: They were the light of her life. Constantly with them, constantly,
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Speaker 7: you know, trying to discover new things to teach them.
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Speaker 7: She really encouraged them to be their own little people.
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Speaker 7: She was very much a yes mom, you know, wanted
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Speaker 7: them to experience everything.
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Speaker 1: You know, just thinking about them, one is to and
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Speaker 1: one is five. How are they reacting to mommy not
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Speaker 1: being there every single day?
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Speaker 7: You know? Fortunately they're very young, so especially Noah, you know,
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Speaker 7: he's only two. As far as them, you know, asking
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Speaker 7: about her once in a while. But they're they're doing
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Speaker 7: really well, I'm right now. So as as far as
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Speaker 7: we can tell, they haven't you know, really noticed any
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Speaker 7: any big difference.
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Speaker 1: They must be surrounded by a lot of love right now, yes,
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Speaker 1: and not even realize that anything is out of the norm.
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Speaker 1: Guys listened to more.
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Speaker 10: Since her first child was born, which is five years ago. Now,
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Speaker 10: you know, I talked to her multiple times on a
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Speaker 10: daily basis FaceTime, phone, text, and the rest of my family.
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Speaker 10: She's just in constant communication with us about every minute detail.
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Speaker 10: So it's very unlike her. The last communication that I
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Speaker 10: had with her was the morning of Friday, March thirty.
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Speaker 7: First.
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Speaker 10: She had sent me a text at about eight fifteen
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Speaker 10: in the morning regular text for her. We were chuckling
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Speaker 10: about a funny photo exchanged between us, and that was
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Speaker 10: the last communication with me or with any of my
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Speaker 10: family or her other friends.
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Speaker 1: You're hearing Madeline's sister Mega speaking to our friends at
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Speaker 1: Thoughts and Friends. Megan, So you guys were exchanging texts
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Speaker 1: early that morning, as early as eight fifteen.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, we both start early in the morning.
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Speaker 7: I personally I start work at seven am, so and
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Speaker 7: she's up with the kids. So yeah, pretty much every morning,
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Speaker 7: it's pretty pretty early contact with us.
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Speaker 1: Let me understand her schedule, Megan. With me is Megan Kingsbury.
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Speaker 1: This is Madeline's sister, very very close relationship. You just
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Speaker 1: heard her say. They texted or talked every day, Megan
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Speaker 1: in the morning, so she would get up. Would she
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Speaker 1: always drop the children one at the home daycare and
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Speaker 1: one at the Montessori?
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Speaker 7: Ellie went to the monassory gosh, I think maybe two
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Speaker 7: or three days a week. The other days she went
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Speaker 7: to the same in home daycare as.
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Speaker 1: Noah, and Madeline would be the one to drop them off.
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Speaker 7: Yeah. Sometimes I think their father joined as well. I
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Speaker 7: wasn't quite clear on how often, but she definitely would
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Speaker 7: always be.
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Speaker 1: There, so it's always her. Now, who would pick them up?
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Speaker 7: I think typically it would be her or both parents.
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Speaker 7: I think it kind of depended on her schedule.
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Speaker 1: But almost always her, and maybe the dad would also come. Yes, okay,
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Speaker 1: the day that she went missing, who picked them up?
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Speaker 11: Their father?
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Speaker 1: Okay, so that was covered. I was just imagining a
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Speaker 1: nightmare of the children, like standing outside for pickup and
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Speaker 1: nobody being there. Of course, Noah's too young to do that. Guys,
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Speaker 1: we're trying to figure out what happened. Now. You exchanged
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Speaker 1: a text with her early that morning at megan eight fifteen.
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Speaker 1: Did you hear from her after that?
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Speaker 7: I did not?
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Speaker 1: Was that normal?
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Speaker 6: No?
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Speaker 7: I mean, even if she can't talk or she's busy,
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Speaker 7: she'll send a message saying, so hey, I'm busy, I'll
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Speaker 7: talk to you later.
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Speaker 12: But no, I didn't.
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Speaker 7: I didn't get anything else.
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Speaker 1: And that was March thirty one, correct, Yes, okay, March
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Speaker 1: thirty one. She goes missing. Last scene that morning, eight fifteen,
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Speaker 1: last heard from that morning at eight fifteen. Joining me
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Speaker 1: right now is investigative reporter out of Minnesota CBS WCCOTV,
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Speaker 1: John Lordson. John, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 13: Thank you for having me.
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Speaker 1: Oh yes, tell me about the area. Is this rural suburban.
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Speaker 13: Well, Wenona is home to Wenona State. It's a decent
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Speaker 13: sized town as far as Minnesota goes. This is in
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Speaker 13: the southeastern portion of the state.
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Speaker 1: Now, wait a minute, where is that as it relates
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Speaker 1: to the Tri cities?
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Speaker 4: Are that?
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Speaker 13: Well, Minneapolis St.
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Speaker 4: Paul.
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Speaker 13: This is a couple hours about two and a half
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Speaker 13: hours southeast of Minneapolis St. Paul. Okay, right across the
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Speaker 13: border from Wisconsin is where Wenona's were located. So you
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Speaker 13: had a lot of searchers and volunteers coming from western
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Speaker 13: Wisconsin as well to help look for Matteline.
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Speaker 1: As part of Wanona in Wisconsin.
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Speaker 13: It is not, No, it's right across the border. Literally
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Speaker 13: right across the border.
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Speaker 1: Got it. Okay, go ahead.
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Speaker 13: Yeah. The terrain you're asking about is really mixed, and
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Speaker 13: it's a beautiful part of the state. Really, there's bluff
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Speaker 13: country down there.
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Speaker 1: I don't like that. I don't like anything you just said.
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Speaker 1: You know what, when I hear the words John Lords
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Speaker 1: in beautiful terrain, you know that translates to me hard
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Speaker 1: to find, densely wooded forests, mountainous on dirt roads, very
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Speaker 1: low traverse areas. Is that what you're saying about beautiful
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Speaker 1: because that's really hard to find somebody.
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Speaker 13: And some person is Yeah, it's kind of an eclectic
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Speaker 13: blend of terrain because on Friday when we were there,
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Speaker 13: and on Saturday as well, there's a lot of farm
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Speaker 13: fields that they were walking through as well. And you
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Speaker 13: know there are teams of twelve a dozen or so
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Speaker 13: volunteers that were showing up from all over the area,
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Speaker 13: very coordinated on Friday and then again on Saturday walking
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Speaker 13: through farm fields. But yes, the chief from Monona Police
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Speaker 13: did talk about that. He said that the terrain is
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Speaker 13: a mix and definitely as you mentioned Nancy the Bluff area,
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Speaker 13: he talked about that being a challenge. The hills, Yeah,
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Speaker 13: the steep terrain in some cases, and he did highlight
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Speaker 13: that is a challenge.
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Speaker 1: John Morrison, w CCA joining us, Thank you again for
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Speaker 1: making time for us. What's the population isn't it under
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Speaker 1: fifty thousand?
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Speaker 7: Yeah?
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Speaker 13: I believe it is. And where a lot of this
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Speaker 13: search has been caught that there's a couple of little
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Speaker 13: towns involved. Goodview, Minnesota is right next to Wndona that
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Speaker 13: was a headquarters last week as well lay last week
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Speaker 13: for a lot of volunteers to show up. There's a
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Speaker 13: little town called Rushford, which isn't too far away. I
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Speaker 13: believe it's about twenty miles west where they were also searching.
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Speaker 13: I had a coordinated search there as well, and I
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Speaker 13: want to say last week and it was nearly three
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Speaker 13: thousand people that showed up to help. That was Easter weekend.
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Speaker 13: I've covered a few of these sadly over the years,
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Speaker 13: but this is one of the larger coordinated efforts in
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Speaker 13: talking with people that didn't know Madeline but still coming
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Speaker 13: out because they're a parent, or they knew somebody who
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Speaker 13: knew her, or they were a friend of hers, whatever
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Speaker 13: it might be. You have people from all over, as
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Speaker 13: I mentioned, western Wisconsin, southeastern Minnesota. It felt like there
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Speaker 13: were bustload upon bustload that Friday morning and then again
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Speaker 13: in the afternoon, and then again on Saturdays. So it
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Speaker 13: was impressive to see that.
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Speaker 1: Joining US Public Relationship Directory, Northstar International Search and Recovery, Tracy,
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. I know that that
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Speaker 1: strikes fear in your heart when you hear about this
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Speaker 1: terrain and a low population. Now low population in one
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Speaker 1: way means that it reduces the number of potential suspects,
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Speaker 1: if any, involved in Madeline's disappearance. But that terrain, if
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Speaker 1: she went for a hike, if she went for a walk,
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Speaker 1: that's going to be very difficult to find her. What
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Speaker 1: would you be doing right now, Tracy Campbell, Well, I saw.
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Speaker 11: The fields that they were searching, and a ligne search
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Speaker 11: depending on the terrain you know we have. I don't
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Speaker 11: know what their resources are.
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Speaker 1: First of all, tell everybody what is a line search
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Speaker 1: that you just said?
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Speaker 11: How they're walking straight in a line? So typically, first
20:54
Speaker 11: of all, they had three thousand people respond volunteers. That
20:58
Speaker 11: can be a that's wonderful, but it also can be
21:01
Speaker 11: very stressful because a search and recovery team they've got experience,
21:07
Speaker 11: they've been through classes, they know what to look for clues.
21:13
Speaker 11: You don't always know what a civilian will. So typically
21:17
Speaker 11: you would take a team leader, somebody that's from the
21:20
Speaker 11: search team, and maybe pair them up with twelve or
21:24
Speaker 11: so civilian searchers and that would be your line. That way,
21:31
Speaker 11: if they had any questions, if they saw something but
21:34
Speaker 11: they weren't sure whether it was relevant, they could ask
21:38
Speaker 11: somebody on a search and rescue team exactly.
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Speaker 1: And you know Megan Kingsbury joining us is Megan Kingsbury
21:44
Speaker 1: Madeline sister. When what goes through your mind when you're
21:49
Speaker 1: hearing us talking about searching this terran.
21:51
Speaker 7: You know, I've been out searching myself in some more
21:55
Speaker 7: kind of remote areas, wildlife preserves, things like that. I
22:02
Speaker 7: you know, I've been down to visit. I've seen the
22:05
Speaker 7: difficulty in the terrain and just I kind of look
22:07
Speaker 7: around and I'm like, well, she could be anywhere, and
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Speaker 7: it's it's hard to know where to start, and a
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Speaker 7: lot of people just aren't able to search that terrain effectively.
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Speaker 7: So it definitely worries me every day.
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Speaker 1: Would you go to bed at night, what are your
22:23
Speaker 1: thoughts about where is your sister?
22:27
Speaker 7: Just last night i was outside and I looked up
22:30
Speaker 7: at the sky and I'm just wondering if she out
22:33
Speaker 7: there somewhere under the same sky, Like where where could
22:37
Speaker 7: she be? It's a million things run through my mind
22:42
Speaker 7: every night, and you know, you want to hold on
22:46
Speaker 7: to a chance of hope that you know she's found, Okay,
22:49
Speaker 7: It's difficult. The longer that that this goes on.
22:52
Speaker 1: To John Lordson joining US CBS Minnesota, w c CEO.
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Speaker 1: Was there any history of just quote taking break or
23:01
Speaker 1: needing time to herself, anything like that, because I haven't
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Speaker 1: found it.
23:05
Speaker 13: No, not that we're aware of. I'm sure Meghan and
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Speaker 13: the family would be able to speak to that.
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Speaker 1: Megan, is there any such history?
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Speaker 11: There's not.
23:12
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean Kathleen Murphy joining me right now, courtroom,
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Speaker 1: veteran out of North Carolina family lawyer. She's at NC
23:20
Speaker 1: Domestic Law dot com. Kathleen Murphy. It would be a
23:23
Speaker 1: cold day in Hgublel that I took time for myself
23:26
Speaker 1: and left my children. That's not happening.
23:29
Speaker 12: That's not happening, Nancy.
23:31
Speaker 1: No, that's not happening. This mom didn't go away for
23:35
Speaker 1: the weekend, didn't need me time. There was no like
23:40
Speaker 1: spa time and those mudbaths and massages and hot stones
23:43
Speaker 1: on your back and all that that. No, she worked
23:47
Speaker 1: and she took care for children. That was her life
23:49
Speaker 1: and so that makes should make it easiest for us
23:52
Speaker 1: to find her.
23:53
Speaker 12: But young babies, you're going to be in those hotspots.
23:55
Speaker 12: You're going to be at the daycare, You're going to
23:57
Speaker 12: be at the grocery store, you're going to be at
23:59
Speaker 12: the house, They're going to nap. You're going to be
24:02
Speaker 12: in the same places over and over again. As a
24:06
Speaker 12: mother of four, you're a mother of twins. You know
24:08
Speaker 12: the routine. Her family knows the routine. It's not rocket science.
24:13
Speaker 1: At this point, Guys, you're hearing the voice of Kathleen Murphy,
24:18
Speaker 1: who has worked with us on missing persons cases. But guys,
24:23
Speaker 1: I want you to hear more of what we know
24:26
Speaker 1: about Madeline. Listen.
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Speaker 10: There was some concern the evening of Friday, March thirty. First,
24:34
Speaker 10: my mom actually sent me a message asking if I
24:37
Speaker 10: had heard from my sister that day, because my mom
24:44
Speaker 10: had sent some messages that had no response. And when
24:48
Speaker 10: she said that, I was kind of like, oh, yes,
24:51
Speaker 10: I guess you're right. She was supposed to come visit
24:54
Speaker 10: my house the next morning with her daughter, and typically,
24:58
Speaker 10: you know, we would have discussed those since it was
25:02
Speaker 10: coming up. So it was that evening and we started
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Speaker 10: kind of connecting with her friends and seeing if anyone
25:07
Speaker 10: had heard from her.
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Speaker 1: Megan Kingsbury is Madeline's sister, joining us shedding light into
25:12
Speaker 1: the search for her sister. Megan, how far away from
25:15
Speaker 1: Madeline do you live?
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Speaker 7: I live in the Minneapolis area, so it's about two hours.
25:19
Speaker 1: From her home in Lenona. So to plan a trip,
25:23
Speaker 1: this isn't like she's just going around the corner. This
25:25
Speaker 1: was something she'd have to get the children ready in
25:28
Speaker 1: the car, snacks, all that, and then drive two hours
25:32
Speaker 1: to see you and your family. Correct, right, So that
25:35
Speaker 1: was a plan. Interesting and no history at all of
25:39
Speaker 1: just leaving to go for a girl's weekend or time alone.
25:43
Speaker 1: Nothing like that, right, right.
25:45
Speaker 7: I mean, if she needed a break, she'd come to
25:47
Speaker 7: my house, but she'd still bring the kids and you know,
25:50
Speaker 7: we'd kind of tag team and watch them. But no,
25:52
Speaker 7: she never would would leave them.
25:54
Speaker 1: So that evening, your mother notices she hasn't heard from
25:59
Speaker 1: your sister, And back to Kathleen Murphy joining US high
26:03
Speaker 1: profile lawyer out of North Carolina. Kathleen, that's routine evidence.
26:08
Speaker 1: And I don't mean standard, typical pumdrum routine. I mean
26:12
Speaker 1: evidence of someone's routine. And I'm stressing that again for
26:16
Speaker 1: the third time because it's very important. By that evening,
26:19
Speaker 1: when sister and mother have not heard from her, they
26:22
Speaker 1: know something's up. Much less she didn't go to work
26:25
Speaker 1: that day and she didn't pick the.
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Speaker 12: Children up and creating those timelines are going to be
26:29
Speaker 12: so important to investigators, Nancy, the timeline from that family
26:35
Speaker 12: is going to be key in placing the location of
26:39
Speaker 12: Mattie and anybody else that could be associated.
26:43
Speaker 11: With her disappearance.
26:44
Speaker 1: What do you mean by that?
26:45
Speaker 12: So, for example, if Mattie is going into work and
26:48
Speaker 12: that's her routine immediately after dropping the children off, why
26:51
Speaker 12: did she go home? Why did she go home? And
26:54
Speaker 12: why was it ten o'clock when her husband or the
26:57
Speaker 12: father of her children took that vehicle. Those are questions
27:00
Speaker 12: that has to be answered.
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Speaker 1: You're absolutely correct, and as a matter of fact, take
27:03
Speaker 1: a listen to our friend Jacqueline Lee.
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Speaker 2: According to police, Mattie was last seen at home last
27:08
Speaker 2: Friday at approximately eight fifteen in the morning after dropping
27:12
Speaker 2: her two children off with their father at daycare.
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Speaker 1: The father told police he left.
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Speaker 2: Mattie's house at about ten am in her dark blue
27:20
Speaker 2: Chrysler minivan. When he returned later that day, he says
27:24
Speaker 2: she was not home. A minivan resembling hers was seen
27:27
Speaker 2: that same morning driving along a nearby county road between
27:31
Speaker 2: ten thirty am and one thirty pm. Investigators have searched
27:35
Speaker 2: the minivan and Mattie's home. Inside the house, they found
27:38
Speaker 2: her phone and her wallet.
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Speaker 1: I just was trying not to panic.
27:44
Speaker 2: Mattie's sister Megan last texted her that morning and everything
27:47
Speaker 2: seemed fine.
28:02
Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace take a listen to our
28:06
Speaker 1: friend Jacqueline Lee.
28:08
Speaker 2: According to police, Mattie was last seen at home last
28:11
Speaker 2: Friday at approximately eight fifteen in the morning, after dropping
28:14
Speaker 2: her two children off with their father at daycare. The
28:18
Speaker 2: father told police he left Mattie's house at about ten
28:21
Speaker 2: am in her dark blue Chrysler minivan. When he returned
28:24
Speaker 2: later that day, he says she was not home. A
28:28
Speaker 2: minivan resembling hers was seen that same morning driving along
28:32
Speaker 2: a nearby county road between ten thirty am and one
28:36
Speaker 2: thirty pm. Investigators have searched the minivan and Mattie's home.
28:40
Speaker 2: Inside the house, they found her phone and her wallet.
28:43
Speaker 1: I just was trying not to panic.
28:47
Speaker 2: Mattie's sister, Megan last texted her that morning and everything
28:50
Speaker 2: seemed fine.
28:51
Speaker 1: Okay, let's go straight back out to our investigative reporter
28:54
Speaker 1: John Lords and joining us WCCOTV there in Minnesota. Let
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Speaker 1: me understand what I just heard from our friends at
29:00
Speaker 1: Gma Jacqueline Lee. Now that morning a fifteen, that's when
29:05
Speaker 1: she's texting with her sister Megan. She and the bio
29:09
Speaker 1: dad drop the children at daycare. He tells cops he
29:13
Speaker 1: left Maddie's house about ten a m. For some reason
29:16
Speaker 1: in her minivan. Okay, let me understand that was where
29:20
Speaker 1: the decision was made that she'd not go to work,
29:22
Speaker 1: because that's when she would go to work. I understand
29:25
Speaker 1: between eight, you know, after she drops the children, But no,
29:28
Speaker 1: did he bring her back to the house. Is that
29:30
Speaker 1: what he's saying.
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Speaker 13: That's what we understand through law enforcement. That's what he
29:34
Speaker 13: told them.
29:34
Speaker 1: Then he takes the Chrysler and then when he comes
29:37
Speaker 1: back with it, I don't know what to fill it with, gas.
29:39
Speaker 1: I'm not sure he gets back at ten am and
29:41
Speaker 1: she's not there. Is that correct?
29:43
Speaker 13: He claims he laughed and came back and believe in
29:46
Speaker 13: the afternoon and she was not there. Now, law enforcement
29:49
Speaker 13: is telling us there's no evidence she was picked up
29:51
Speaker 13: by anybody else, or that she might have just left
29:54
Speaker 13: the home and walked somewhere. That's according to the Windowana
29:57
Speaker 13: pleased you well?
29:58
Speaker 1: Is that the terrain Megan Kingsbury would she just leave
30:01
Speaker 1: and walk somewhere?
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Speaker 7: No, I mean where her house is kind of situated.
30:07
Speaker 7: She's not really within walking distance of you know, like
30:09
Speaker 7: a target or anything.
30:11
Speaker 1: Does she walk, jog or bike anything like that?
30:13
Speaker 7: You know, she used to jog. I think it's been
30:16
Speaker 7: a while, but she did used to jog.
30:19
Speaker 1: In the past, but not recently. No, I don't believe so,
30:22
Speaker 1: So I'm just trying to figure out. We were covering
30:24
Speaker 1: the case of Eliza Fletcher, a Memphis mom who was
30:26
Speaker 1: at like four o'clock in the morning jogging. That was
30:28
Speaker 1: her routine, you know, And a lot of terrains, like
30:31
Speaker 1: you go out on the street, it's like I seventy five,
30:34
Speaker 1: you can't walk or jog or bike there. Or it
30:37
Speaker 1: could be a country road like Molly Tibbets where she
30:40
Speaker 1: would run every day. So is a terrain near her?
30:44
Speaker 1: Did she have a home apartment? Condo?
30:46
Speaker 13: What?
30:47
Speaker 7: They lived in? A town home? It was kind of
30:48
Speaker 7: one of those divided in half one so they had
30:51
Speaker 7: a connected neighbor.
30:52
Speaker 1: Okay, and the biodas living in the home. Correct, Yeah, okay,
30:57
Speaker 1: so he leaves with the car. Yeah, you're right, You're right, lordson,
31:03
Speaker 1: I had that ten thirty am in my head that
31:05
Speaker 1: he came back, but her vehicle was side between ten
31:09
Speaker 1: thirty and one thirty PM. That's where I'm getting ten
31:12
Speaker 1: thirty Is that correct?
31:14
Speaker 13: That is correct?
31:14
Speaker 1: Yes, who sided her vehicle?
31:16
Speaker 13: That was spotted around town? I believe there's more than
31:19
Speaker 13: one witness to that. And now what law enforcement was
31:22
Speaker 13: trying to get people to do, and we've been down there,
31:24
Speaker 13: is have people check that it's called the Highway of
31:28
Speaker 13: forty three corridor. That's where that van has been spotted
31:31
Speaker 13: or was spotted around that time.
31:32
Speaker 1: Are a dark MENI van CHRYSTL or what is it?
31:35
Speaker 1: A Chrysler PACIFICA town and country right, town and country?
31:38
Speaker 1: Multiple signings of her van around town, But did anybody
31:42
Speaker 1: say who was driving it?
31:43
Speaker 13: Not that we have been told yet. And what they're
31:46
Speaker 13: asking people to do is we've talked about the terrain
31:49
Speaker 13: quite a bit and just that area it can get
31:52
Speaker 13: rural pretty quick. So they're asking people to look at
31:55
Speaker 13: their doorbell camera, see if they can see who is driving,
31:58
Speaker 13: see if the van went by their home, trail cameras.
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Speaker 13: There's a lot of you know, wooded areas. As we
32:04
Speaker 13: talked about out there, people have trail cameras set up?
32:06
Speaker 13: Did your trail camera catch this van on a roadway
32:10
Speaker 13: when you're kind of having it going down a path
32:12
Speaker 13: looking for wildlife? Was there a road behind there where
32:15
Speaker 13: you saw the van going through? What time was it?
32:18
Speaker 13: Can you see who was driving?
32:20
Speaker 1: What about cameras in town? You said Highway forty three
32:24
Speaker 1: corridor and when you said around town, what town Winona?
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Speaker 13: Yeah? Correct?
32:29
Speaker 1: Aren't there red light cams and business cams.
32:34
Speaker 13: Business cameras, surveillance camera, security cameras, whatever you got law
32:38
Speaker 13: enforcement that wants to know about it?
32:40
Speaker 1: Well, aren't they getting it? Aren't they confiscating it from
32:44
Speaker 1: businesses and red lights? Before? Does nobody remember Chandra Levy? Yeah,
32:50
Speaker 1: and her apartment complex before she went out and was
32:53
Speaker 1: attacked and murdered. Every seventy two hours they roll over
32:56
Speaker 1: the table, it starts over. You got to get it
32:59
Speaker 1: immediately before it starts rolling over.
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Speaker 13: And they might have some already they just have not disclosed.
33:03
Speaker 13: I think Megan talked about that earlier. Is you know
33:05
Speaker 13: the investigation they're being they're keeping it very close to
33:07
Speaker 13: their best, but yeah, they're definitely asking for anybody else
33:11
Speaker 13: that had maybe something out there that wasn't so obvious.
33:14
Speaker 13: The businesses are one thing, and the homes near there
33:18
Speaker 13: is another. But in some of these rural areas around
33:21
Speaker 13: that top line and around that vicinity, if they had
33:27
Speaker 13: a trail camera, if they had a doorbell camera, if
33:29
Speaker 13: they had a security camera, did you see this van
33:32
Speaker 13: go buying? Can you tell who was driving? And they
33:35
Speaker 13: want that.
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Speaker 1: John Laws, and you're telling me people in the town
33:39
Speaker 1: of Winona, I think they saw not just a blue
33:45
Speaker 1: town and country her blue town and country. Is that
33:48
Speaker 1: what they think that?
33:50
Speaker 13: That's the law enforcement that told us they believe that van.
33:53
Speaker 13: More than one person saw that van driving in that timeframe.
33:57
Speaker 1: We talked about what was distinct about her vangan, what
34:00
Speaker 1: if anything is to stink John, anybody jump in and
34:02
Speaker 1: tell me? Well?
34:03
Speaker 13: And the fact that it was a Town and Country
34:05
Speaker 13: Chrysler van, And honestly, Nancy, I don't know how popular
34:09
Speaker 13: those are in Wenona, Minnesota. But that's in that time
34:12
Speaker 13: frame that van was spotted. Uh, And that's an excellent question.
34:17
Speaker 13: Is that van? Do we know if that was hers?
34:20
Speaker 13: For sure? I'm guessing what law enforcement says it is.
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Speaker 1: Megan Casebury, what about it? What about her van?
34:26
Speaker 6: You know?
34:27
Speaker 10: They have.
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Speaker 7: The law enforcement has some footage from a gas station
34:31
Speaker 7: in Rushford, Minnesota. I believe it was a quick trip
34:35
Speaker 7: of the van coming and going, so I know for
34:39
Speaker 7: sure they've they've seen it in Rushford. Other than that,
34:44
Speaker 7: I haven't heard if there's been any other footage. I
34:48
Speaker 7: know they're looking at semi trucks. Those have cameras kind
34:51
Speaker 7: of all around. They're they're really trying any avenue to
34:55
Speaker 7: see if they can get footage.
34:56
Speaker 1: Where's Rushford as it relates to Anona close? Yeah, twenty
35:02
Speaker 1: mins that would make And what time of the day
35:05
Speaker 1: was her van spotted in Rushford?
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Speaker 7: I want to stay probably between like ten thirty and
35:11
Speaker 7: eleven is.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, I believe you're right on that. I think it
35:14
Speaker 13: was in the morning, still before the new Homer that
35:18
Speaker 13: that was spotted.
35:18
Speaker 1: But what time does Biodet say he brought the car back?
35:22
Speaker 7: I believe that he said he returned home around one pm,
35:30
Speaker 7: so that could have been him driving around. That doesn't
35:32
Speaker 7: really help us, does it.
35:33
Speaker 13: Yeah?
35:33
Speaker 1: Okay, where is the vehicle right now?
35:36
Speaker 13: John Lawrenson, law enforcement has searched that vehicle. I do
35:39
Speaker 13: not know if they gave that back to the family.
35:42
Speaker 7: Do you know, Megan, I believe law enforcement still has
35:45
Speaker 7: the vehicle, still.
35:46
Speaker 1: Has the vehicle? Okay. To Julie Yate joining us a
35:51
Speaker 1: crime scene investigator and instructor, Julie, what do you make
35:57
Speaker 1: of this regarding them still having the vehicle?
36:02
Speaker 6: I would they still had the vehicle in their possession
36:04
Speaker 6: because that is one of the key pieces of evidence.
36:07
Speaker 6: I would say right now.
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Speaker 1: To Tracy Campbell joining us with North st Our International
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Speaker 1: Search and Recovery, I believe that the vehicle, especially why
36:16
Speaker 1: the fact that law enforcement is still holding onto it
36:19
Speaker 1: must have some sort of forensic evidence in it. I agree, Okay,
36:23
Speaker 1: Kathleen Murphy, what do we do now?
36:25
Speaker 12: I think we take an inventory of what's in there.
36:27
Speaker 12: I also, Nancy, have a question about whether or not
36:31
Speaker 12: a search warrant has been effectuated for the home that
36:35
Speaker 12: they were living in. And another question that we have
36:38
Speaker 12: is whether or not Madeline was looking for another place
36:44
Speaker 12: to live. I saw on her Facebook page that she
36:47
Speaker 12: had posted that she was looking for a new place
36:49
Speaker 12: to live in aple.
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Speaker 1: Or May to MEGANE. Kingsbury, your sister posted that is
36:54
Speaker 1: that correct that she was looking for a new place
36:56
Speaker 1: to live?
36:56
Speaker 7: Yes, that's correct. Why her and the father of the
37:00
Speaker 7: children were not continuing their relationships.
37:05
Speaker 1: They were splitting.
37:06
Speaker 7: Yes, so she was looking for a new place close
37:10
Speaker 7: to where she already lived, close to the daycare, close
37:14
Speaker 7: to the preschool. I know she was looking over in Goodview,
37:16
Speaker 7: which is the next town over.
37:20
Speaker 1: So yeah, she was looking for a new place, Nancy.
37:22
Speaker 14: If I could jump in for just a moment, this
37:24
Speaker 14: is John Lemley in the Crime Online news room. We're
37:27
Speaker 14: now learning that a special prosecutor has been hired by
37:30
Speaker 14: Wenona County law enforcement to assist in the search for
37:33
Speaker 14: Madeline Kingsbury. Madeleine's sister has revealed that Philip Prokopovich is
37:38
Speaker 14: currently collaborating with law enforcement about Madeleine's disappearance and he'll
37:43
Speaker 14: help if charges are brought against anyone. Prokopovich served as
37:47
Speaker 14: Dakota County's previous Chief Deputy County Attorney.
37:50
Speaker 1: Guys, the family of Malan Kingsbury has now issued a
37:56
Speaker 1: fifty thousand dollars reward thousand dollar reward tip line five
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Speaker 1: zero seven four five seven six two eight eight repeat
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Speaker 1: Please help us find Madeline. Goodbye, friend,