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Feminist Movie Wednesday: Clue · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha.
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  Speaker 2: I want some stuff. Never told you production I by.
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  Speaker 1: Hurt Radio.
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  Speaker 3: And welcome, and we are doing another classic for our
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  Speaker 3: feminist movie, not exactly feminist movie, movie that I will
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  Speaker 3: talk about with feminism is that is how we're gonna
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  Speaker 3: do it. Okay. I would classify this and so would
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  Speaker 3: a lot of the listicals that I have found as
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  Speaker 3: a fall classic. So this is why we kind of
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  Speaker 3: picked one. And as we enter sixty degree weather in Georgia.
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  Speaker 3: By the way, I've been wearing a card again, I
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  Speaker 3: see you're wearing a sweatshirt. Annie, congratulations. Is that time
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  Speaker 3: of a year we decided we would pick a fall
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  Speaker 3: movie and we are doing the nineteen eighty five, yes,
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  Speaker 3: forty year old movie classic Clue, which we referenced before.
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  Speaker 4: We did, and you recently helped me solve a mystery
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  Speaker 4: of a ribbon. I got a dragon con at this
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  Speaker 4: quote I didn't recognize and you were like, oh no,
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  Speaker 4: that immediately clue.
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  Speaker 3: I immediately knew what it was. And again, like I said,
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  Speaker 3: this is not necessarily a feminist movie at its core.
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  Speaker 3: In fact, there are several things in there and would
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  Speaker 3: be like, eh, that's really sexist. However, there are some
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  Speaker 3: good bits to it, including the comedy genius from the
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  Speaker 3: likes of Madeline Khan, who portrays in the iconic line
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  Speaker 3: you're talking about this dark, foreboding widow Missus White. I
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  Speaker 3: would say it's empowering for sure, and not even heard
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  Speaker 3: even Miss Garlett's character. I also think that there may
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  Speaker 3: have been some queer awakenings oh of this movie, because
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  Speaker 3: there was moments that I had some feelings. I was like, wait,
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  Speaker 3: and I don't necessarily qualify myself as queer because like,
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  Speaker 3: but at the same time, I'm like, oh, that's sexy,
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  Speaker 3: you know, Like I remembered those scenes as sexy, even
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  Speaker 3: though they're not really sexy, because of Miss Scarlett specifically
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  Speaker 3: more than anybody else. All of that to say, yes,
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  Speaker 3: I think her lines were always delivered with quick, dry
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  Speaker 3: wit outside again of the Flames the Flames, but that
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  Speaker 3: was purposeful comedic timing and we love it. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Did you did you play Clue growing up?
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  Speaker 3: Oh? Yes, that was one of my favorite games. I
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  Speaker 3: played myself sometimes Miss White. I was Miss White all
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  Speaker 3: the time. I even though in the game she's portrayed
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  Speaker 3: as the maid.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, she's like the very kind of matronly on the
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  Speaker 4: box cover at least.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I.
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  Speaker 2: Went with Miss Peacock usually.
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  Speaker 3: She was the matronly one to me, missus k.
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  Speaker 4: I think I just liked her. Her outfit us purely
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  Speaker 4: fair pesthetic.
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  Speaker 3: I did find it funny that they referenced it in
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  Speaker 3: the movie colors for like coding, rather than the actual
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  Speaker 3: colors they wore in which happens in the game. Anyway.
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  Speaker 3: Moving on, Yes, so we're gonna go ahead and jump
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  Speaker 3: right into this because I want to talk about it
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  Speaker 3: about the things that I didn't catch on as a
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  Speaker 3: kid versus today and the way that I Yes, it's
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  Speaker 3: more sexist than some but not as bad as you
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  Speaker 3: would think. There is some little bit like anti quaer,
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  Speaker 3: but not nessary. Anti quaer is more confusing.
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  Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it pretty well, and I feel like it's kind
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  Speaker 3: of interesting of how they portray socialism. Anyway, Going on, So,
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  Speaker 3: this movie is based off of this successful nineteen forty
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  Speaker 3: three board game Clue, which is a who with what
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  Speaker 3: and where murder mystery featuring the characters of Courla Mustard,
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  Speaker 3: Mister Green, missus Peacock, Miss Scarlett, Miss White, and Professor
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  Speaker 3: Plum Apparently this was a game that was by a
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  Speaker 3: British creator, but the movie decided they wanted to do
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  Speaker 3: all those political views and so placed it in New
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  Speaker 3: England in the nineteen fifties. So this is kind of
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  Speaker 3: the difference, is there. This group is led by Butler Wadsworth,
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  Speaker 3: played by the amazing Tim Curry, who was apparently a
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  Speaker 3: third choice by the way to play that character. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: The crew they are all invited to have mentioned under
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  Speaker 3: mysterious circumstances, each receiving a letter with an alias, as
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  Speaker 3: these names are not their real names, even though they
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  Speaker 3: adapted them very quickly. By the way, they receive invitations
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  Speaker 3: to a not so exciting dinner party. Yes, I will say,
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  Speaker 3: I feel like Knives Out was like I owe to
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  Speaker 3: that a little bit.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, this was very much like you know the murder
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  Speaker 4: mystery games you play and you like to listen to
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  Speaker 4: the tape.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, now you figured this out?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, oh yeah, I was going to ask, because
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  Speaker 3: I did I buy you a Star Wars Clue game?
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  Speaker 3: Or did I see one and think I should buy
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  Speaker 3: that for you?
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  Speaker 2: I believe you bought one. Somebody bought one for.
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  Speaker 3: I think I bought it for you.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I have a few versions of Clue.
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  Speaker 3: Do you have you played it?
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  Speaker 4: I have opened it up and looked at it, because
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  Speaker 4: I'm always really interested if you've ever played like Clue
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  Speaker 4: in another property, it's really interesting because it'll be like,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know, Uh, it was Han Solo and the
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  Speaker 4: Millennium Falcon with a blaster and you're like, Han Solo
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  Speaker 4: killed this person, don't know, just doesn't match.
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  Speaker 3: Bt Dubbs. Did you know that Carrie Fisher was initially
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  Speaker 3: supposed to play Miss Scarlett? No, but she ended up
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  Speaker 3: going to rehab.
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  Speaker 2: Oh well, I guess that for her.
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  Speaker 3: Good for her, but also that would have been interesting anyway,
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  Speaker 3: going back and galling her everywhere already. And as they
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  Speaker 3: come together, we meet the cook, the maid event and
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  Speaker 3: again Wadsworth, the butler that buttles so he says. We
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  Speaker 3: find out they all are from DC and have some
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  Speaker 3: type of secret. After a lovely dinner of Monkey's brains,
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  Speaker 3: which we later find out that's what it is and
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  Speaker 3: it's missus Peacock's favorite, we have the arrival of the
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  Speaker 3: main guest, a mister Body. They are then ushered into
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  Speaker 3: the parlor for some cognac and revelations. Turns out all
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  Speaker 3: of them are being blackmailed for different things, and mister
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  Speaker 3: Body is the one who's behind it all. What Wadsworth
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  Speaker 3: advises that the police have been called and they should
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  Speaker 3: all report mister Body, that he has all this evidence
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  Speaker 3: and if they don't report him then he will just
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  Speaker 3: hand over those evidents anyway. But mister Body isn't having that,
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  Speaker 3: oh no. After a short lived attempt to flee the premises,
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  Speaker 3: he comes back with gifts for the guests, a candlestick,
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  Speaker 3: a wrench, a pipe which, by the way, that would
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  Speaker 3: be a really disappointing gift, a rope, and a revolver.
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  Speaker 3: After handing out these gifts, he gives an alternative to
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  Speaker 3: Wadsworth's plans kill Wadsworth and everyone walks away. He turns
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  Speaker 3: off the light and we hear a gun go off
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  Speaker 3: and a scream, several screams, I think. When the lights
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  Speaker 3: are turned back on, we see mister Body lying on
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  Speaker 3: the floor, who Professor Plumed declares is dead. And by
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  Speaker 3: the way, he is a psychiatrist, so he's supposed to
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  Speaker 3: be a doctor as well, but no longer practicing, which
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  Speaker 3: is why he's being black male. The panic sets in
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  Speaker 3: and everyone is acting confused who did this? As it
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  Speaker 3: turns out the bullet actually missed mister Body and was
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  Speaker 3: probably not the cause of death. Confusion was Worth then
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  Speaker 3: reveals this was his plan, getting them all together all along,
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  Speaker 3: and that his wife had been a victim of mister
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  Speaker 3: Body's black mail as well. She was a socialist and
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  Speaker 3: had been forced to work for him for free until
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  Speaker 3: she died by suicide. So with all of that, they
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  Speaker 3: oh go on to try to figure out what happened,
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  Speaker 3: how did he die? At one point they think maybe
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  Speaker 3: the poison. There's poison in the cognac, which causes Evet
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  Speaker 3: to scream, who has been listening to the wiretap that's
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  Speaker 3: been in that room in recording from a different room
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  Speaker 3: the billiard, I believe, And so they all retrieve her
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  Speaker 3: from the billiard room and they come back together to
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  Speaker 3: the parlor so they can discuss what is happening, finding
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  Speaker 3: that mister Body's body is missing, where's mister Boddy's body?
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  Speaker 3: After trying to figure out what might have happened, they
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  Speaker 3: soon discovered the cook's body and the refrigerator with a
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  Speaker 3: knife to her back. They decided to lock away all
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  Speaker 3: those weapons and throw away the key, but as they try,
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  Speaker 3: they are met at the door with another guests, a motorist,
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  Speaker 3: who they decide to lock into another room because you know,
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  Speaker 3: they got things to do. Oh and they rediscovered mister
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  Speaker 3: Boddy's body with fresh roounds on his head, and they're
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  Speaker 3: for sure now that he is dead. Now he really
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  Speaker 3: is dead. His eyes are open at everything, so they
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  Speaker 3: drag him back into the parlor along with the cook's body.
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  Speaker 3: They decide they must go through the house to see
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  Speaker 3: if there's any possible other guests hiding who was killing everyone,
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  Speaker 3: So they pair off. The match stick scene sticks with
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  Speaker 3: me so clearly. I don't know what it was, is
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  Speaker 3: the sound of them cutting the matches, but I remember
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  Speaker 3: that scene very clearly. So with that they all pair off.
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  Speaker 3: They all go to search the homes, assigned to different
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  Speaker 3: floors or areas. Later, they discovered the motorist has been killed,
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  Speaker 3: and they are again met at the door with another visitor,
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  Speaker 3: but they've actually supposedly thrown away the keys at this point.
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  Speaker 3: This time is a cop who they let in, but
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  Speaker 3: then they decided to lock in the room as well.
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  Speaker 3: It's very suspicious, very suspicious surprise. He is also killed,
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  Speaker 3: but This is after he goes around and does a
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  Speaker 3: whole look see of the house and answers a phone
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  Speaker 3: call that turns out like Jadrigor Hoover is trying to
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  Speaker 3: find somebody in that house, you know, but you know
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  Speaker 3: he dies later on. We then hear the door again
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  Speaker 3: and it's a singing telegram and she's shot bang immediately. Yeah, no,
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  Speaker 3: but I remember the yeah you're singing till like that.
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  Speaker 3: Just that sits in my head forever. Yeah. And soon
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  Speaker 3: they all come back together and Wsworth announces that he
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  Speaker 3: knows what has happened, who has done this. Turns out
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  Speaker 3: all the guests outside of the main six were informants
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  Speaker 3: of mister Body and had connections with the main six
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  Speaker 3: and had been lured there for that very reason. Several
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  Speaker 3: scenarios are shown in the movie, but the true end
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  Speaker 3: is that everyone murdered everyone and w Wasworth is actually
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  Speaker 3: mister Body. Oh and mister Green just kills mister Body
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  Speaker 3: because he was actually the FBI in formant and he
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  Speaker 3: was the one that was supposed to get that call
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  Speaker 3: from mister Hoover. But you know, Watsworth was the one
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  Speaker 3: that takes the call, and he is okay, mister body.
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  Speaker 3: He goes home to sleep with his wife because he
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  Speaker 3: his secret was that he was gay, but it wasn't gay.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, end of story.
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  Speaker 3: So far and foremost, Annie, this was your first viewing.
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  Speaker 3: What did you think of this movie? Did you figure
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  Speaker 3: out the mystery?
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  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 4: No, Uh, it was really interesting because you know when
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  Speaker 4: a movie is so popular, like you get pieces of
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  Speaker 4: it whether or not you've seen it, and so I'm
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  Speaker 4: sure we'll probably talk about this a little bit more later.
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  Speaker 4: But there are tropes in the game the butler's the killer,
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  Speaker 4: like you know, all of those kind of here's your
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  Speaker 4: sexy fim fatale, she did it, like all of these
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  Speaker 4: different tropes. So I didn't anticipate the ending gag where
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  Speaker 4: they have like three fake in things.
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  Speaker 2: So I was definitely like, I don't know what's true,
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  Speaker 2: that's not what's going on here.
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  Speaker 4: But I didn't really enjoy it, and I liked it
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  Speaker 4: does have a very I was thinking about this today
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  Speaker 4: because only murders in the building came back today. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: and they like the kind of that murder. I was like,
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  Speaker 4: is there kind of a thing? Is cozy murder mystery? Now?
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  Speaker 4: I kind of yeah, because it has like you know
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  Speaker 4: it's raining outside, its storming.
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  Speaker 2: They're in this big mansion. The costumes are great, the
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  Speaker 2: background is.
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  Speaker 3: Great, likes is fantastic.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, It's just is very visually appealing and kind of
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  Speaker 4: like it makes you want to at least me. I
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  Speaker 4: was like, I'll curl up in this blanket try to
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  Speaker 4: figure out, yeah, exactly, try to figure out what this is.
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  Speaker 4: But no, I did not figure it out. I was
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  Speaker 4: suspicious pretty much everybody, but I will say Tim Curry,
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  Speaker 4: I was suspicious.
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  Speaker 3: It's always suspicious and e's just be real honest. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So the ending was an ode to how the game
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  Speaker 3: has different endings and scenarios again and how it could
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  Speaker 3: have happened. Is the first scenario with Miss Scarlet killing
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  Speaker 3: everyone with the assistance of a vet who had helped
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  Speaker 3: her and was a former employee of hers. That's her connection,
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  Speaker 3: and then we have she also had connection with the
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  Speaker 3: cop who she paid off, and then we had Wadsworth
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  Speaker 3: work for the FBI. How about this instead was Peacock
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  Speaker 3: killing everyone, which was kind of like the most random scenario.
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  Speaker 3: I felt like, especially like, how is she gonna choke
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  Speaker 3: somebody with it? Like she doesn't have the body strengthen, okay,
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  Speaker 3: whatever you do you and then here's what really happened
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  Speaker 3: with everyone killing their connected person except for Professor Plum
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  Speaker 3: who kills Body, and Wadsworth killing the singing telegram woman,
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  Speaker 3: and they do have a connection, but don't have a
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  Speaker 3: connection type of thing. So it was very interesting, and
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  Speaker 3: that I know. When it was originally released, different theaters
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  Speaker 3: got different endings. They didn't get the all three. I
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  Speaker 3: watched it on VHS because yes, baby, I'm that old.
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  Speaker 3: We rented a VCR from Curtis Mathis with the movie
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  Speaker 3: because we did not have a VCR. We were not
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  Speaker 3: rich like that. And I got to watch that movie
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  Speaker 3: and I loved it. I loved This is an ode
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  Speaker 3: to slapsticks, even though, like to me in nineteen eighties
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  Speaker 3: nineteen seventies, lots of slapstick, and that was kind of
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  Speaker 3: one of the best parts of comedy. I miss some
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  Speaker 3: of that, I'm not gonna lie, but it made me
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  Speaker 3: laugh hysterically, the way that mister Green just gets bobbled
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  Speaker 3: about everywhere like as a scenario as being mister Body.
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  Speaker 3: I love those slapstick comedies and this was one of those,
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  Speaker 3: and it made me laugh every time. Every time, and
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  Speaker 3: you will hear me. Like I told my partner, he
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  Speaker 3: was watching it with me, part of it with me
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  Speaker 3: last night, in which they are like, you know, to
• 14:45
  Speaker 3: make a long story short, and everybody's like, too late.
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  Speaker 3: I do that to him because of this movie, and
• 14:52
  Speaker 3: he's probably like what and he didn't understand where that
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  Speaker 3: came from. But I still cannot help myself because every
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  Speaker 3: time I hear someone say that, that's the line I
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  Speaker 3: think of next. So like, there are so many things
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  Speaker 3: to that this quip is such a like funny level
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  Speaker 3: of comedy, the wit, the humor, the back and forth.
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  Speaker 3: I loved it. I loved it as a kid, so
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  Speaker 3: all of that to say, like this is kind of
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  Speaker 3: what it reminisces of. And I also, again, like I said,
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  Speaker 3: because we're not necessarily doing a lot of themes, because
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  Speaker 3: I think that themes are fairly It's not like because
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  Speaker 3: of its dark humor element with the very over the
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  Speaker 3: top rhetoric, I feel like it's fairly obvious. You can
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  Speaker 3: tell me if you're wrong. You have some themes that
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  Speaker 3: you want to talk about Annie or listeners. But like,
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  Speaker 3: one of the things I did love about the movie
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  Speaker 3: is that women held their own in this movie. They
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  Speaker 3: were more memorable characters than the men to me, outside
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  Speaker 3: of Tim Curry, Like they did such an amazing job
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  Speaker 3: in their portrayal. I will say, like probably the least
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  Speaker 3: in the women was missus Peacock. But like I remember
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  Speaker 3: Lene Warren's voice as Miss Scarlett. I remember her line
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  Speaker 3: of saying, who are you Perry Mason? Like that line, which,
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  Speaker 3: by the way, maybe laugh because I'm like Patty Mason
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  Speaker 3: wasn't existing in the nineteen fifties, I don't think, but
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  Speaker 3: like she was like that person. And obviously again my
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  Speaker 3: favorite would be Miss White. So like for me, Miss
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  Speaker 3: Scarlett is the fein Fateel but in the movie she's
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  Speaker 3: an unapologetic sex worker, like an madam. Like she does
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  Speaker 3: what she does and knows everybody's secrets. It's like, eh,
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  Speaker 3: that's my job, and I know what you did, so
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  Speaker 3: you have no room to judge me. Like type of conversation.
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  Speaker 3: Here's a quote from cleojournal dot com. They write, quote
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  Speaker 3: Miss Scarlett, who proudly outs herself as a Washington madam,
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  Speaker 3: seems to have found one of the few direct routes
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  Speaker 3: to power for a woman in the nineteen fifties. America,
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  Speaker 3: selling sex cheerfully impervious to the evening's bourgeoisie code of conduct.
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  Speaker 3: She's the only character who appears to be enjoying herself,
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  Speaker 3: delivering a stream of a may West like wise cracks
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  Speaker 3: throughout the evening. This is an example, Professor Plum, I
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  Speaker 3: am a doctor, but I don't practice, Miss Scarlett, practice
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  Speaker 3: makes perfect. I think most men could use a little practice,
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  Speaker 3: don't you. It's a great line. And he's been sexually
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  Speaker 3: harassing her the entire time. Yeah, like, but she stands
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  Speaker 3: like she's so used to it's like. And then we
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  Speaker 3: have Miss White, the dark and mysterious widow, who comes
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  Speaker 3: off as unapologetic and ready with vengeance. With another wonderful quote,
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  Speaker 3: she says, yes, just the five husbands. Husbands should be
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  Speaker 3: like Kleenex, soft, strong and disposable. I'm like, yeah, okay,
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  Speaker 3: I enjoyed that. Uh. And note here, uh that the
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: only ad lib in this movie the entire time was
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: her line, which she says, yes, I did it. I
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  Speaker 3: killed a vet. I hated her so much it the
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  Speaker 3: flames flames flames on the side of my face.
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  Speaker 5: There breathing, breathe, heavy, breathing, heavy, breathe and then that's
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  Speaker 5: it is so wonderful her acting that was one of
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  Speaker 5: the most iconic.
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  Speaker 3: And then the cutaway to mister to Colonel Muster going
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  Speaker 3: what is comedic genius Like I don't know why, but
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  Speaker 3: I think it's like one of the top five comedic
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  Speaker 3: timing that I will remember mm hmm for adult life.
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: It was just like genius because they let her do
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: it and they realized how amazing this was. But like
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: those moments like that really like things that I remember again,
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: going back to Miss Scarlett being her like very like
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: Booby but green dress like iconic self, having her high
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: pitched laugh like it just made her character to me,
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: even though she wasn't wearing a scarlet dress.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that through me too.
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: That threw me too, because in the game, some of
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: you listeners have somehow never played this game. It's very
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: color coded and like mississc Kerdelbustard in yellow scarlet isn't scarlet? Like, Yeah,
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: they were. I think you're you're right, and that the
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: women were much more memorable than the men. Uh, and
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: they had better I thought they had better line deliveries
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: and just in general they had more presence and it
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: was interesting to me because that I mean, Clue the
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: game is very much playing to tropes in this movie,
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: like heightened it. It was like, oh, you think, here's
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: your sexy French maid and all of this, but they
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: were doing it very comedically, but while also saying like, yeah,
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: miss Scarlett is not going to stand for your nonsense.
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: Missus White might kill you. They I love how they
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: gave like every character a very h this is what
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: I love about good mystery, very plausible, like I could
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: see her doing it.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: I could see it.
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: Yes, I mean they definitely do a great job in
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: giving each character their own backstory without even having too
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: much of a backstory. Yeah at the beginning, like you're
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: seeing them as they're presented and you're like, Okay, you
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: know who this is, you know who this is? Yeah,
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: and again the men are not as memorable. No, just really,
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: I'm just saying. I thought about how many games, board
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: games that have been turned into movies, like we've seen
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: many of video games, which sometimes they don't work. The
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: number one was last of us. If you need to know,
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: that was the best. Clue is always in the top five.
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: It's not number one for the board game editions or renditions,
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: and the top five with that is Jamanji Hello Wichi, which,
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: by the way, Jamanji is not a real game, so
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: it's kind of like one of those things like based
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: on board game, but it is not a real game.
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: It is, but it came exactly That's what I'm saying.
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: It wasn't the original. It does have a lot of
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: horror obviously behind that. And then they said dungeons and dragons,
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: and I'm like, is that a really a.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: Board game tabletop game?
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: I would say, okay, but not board game, but you
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: know what, I allow it. I'll allow it. Uh So
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: it did bring that in, but they did have one
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: of the best adaptations to that. And I think because
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: maybe there's not a lot of games like I don't know,
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: how do you change turn Life into?
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, there's plenty of them that I'm like, I'm
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: not sure if it's knew one that Margot Robbie is
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: going to be in And I was like, huh.
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: Oh, I just know Wuthering Heights, but that's a book.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: No, she's it's a board game adaptation.
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: I can't remember really, but I was like, huh, all right,
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: like sorry, yeah, it's.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: Not sorry, but you know I would be surprised.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: But yeah, so it is interesting to see that. But
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: I also wondered about like the murder mystery concept because
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: I feel like this is kind of in tune with
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: all that the who done it is and we got
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: to figure it out. We can't leave this house until
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: we find the killer type of conversation. And many attribute
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: the murder mystery dinner shows to be from the nineteen
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: forties nineteen fifties, but then it involved in the eighties
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: involving audience members. Have you ever done one of those?
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: I've played, I've played a game I've never gone to,
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: like an event.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: Space, I've done it.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, either.
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I have a friend who did, and it sounded
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: like it went disastrously.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: I don't think that.
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: Reflects control what the audience is going to do. Yeah,
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: which seems kind of like it's a it's all the dice. Yeah,
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: I know. I've seen people do it at home with
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: their friends, so they know them well enough and give
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: them characters play right, that's a thing. So you done that?
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: Yes, I have I have one.
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: It is like a it's a masquerade that went wrong
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: and it's on the train of course, you know.
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's on the train, Like obviously the Office has
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: an infamous episode. Yeah, I do declare, I do declare,
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: I didn't do it. I did not have that accent anyway.
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: But I do think like when we talk about like
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: movies like Knives Out and those types of movies like
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: it kind of is reminiscent to Clue as well the
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: board game versus also like these movies that have some
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: iconic moments. It again, the one thing that the Knives
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: Out was more serious and also they left the house.
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, but that is a thing about a
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: lot of these murdered mystery stories is they usually have
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: one space where they're generally confined. I would say Knives Out,
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: they were confined by the will, So even if they
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: could leave the house.
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: The second one, the second one, they were confined house.
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: But the murder happened outside of Yes, and then they
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: come again, and then was there more murder?
• 24:00
  Speaker 6: M there was a tempted murder mud that's right, right,
• 24:06
  Speaker 6: And I really thought that was interesting and we could
• 24:08
  Speaker 6: talk about murder mystery concepts in general because of that.
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: Like also Shakespeare theavern't have a thing like this level
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: of conversation. But that's again, but of course we couldn't
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: go beyond this without the politics of clue. Like they
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: really wanted to have that Red Scare, the McCarthy era
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: type of conversation in here, and they actually portray I
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: couldn't tell, you can't tell what they're saying necessarily, and
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: this was done in the eighties once again, so right
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: outside of still Cold War level of what's going down,
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: you know. So it was interesting to see when they
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: talked about like she was a socialist and then it
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: came down to you're a communist. Then she's like, no,
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: I'm the purest form of capitalism, which is I feel
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: like a conversation today of like the mixture. You're like, no,
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: we're leading to communism, but you think that It's like
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: it's also our capitalist is turning into communism and you're
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: not realzing what's happening, and you think communism is just
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: socialism and that's not what's happening. We're having a dictatorship back. Okay.
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: But all of that to say is like they have
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: that conversation in here. I will say there are so
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: many jokes in there that I did not understand as
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: a ten twelve year old once you're like, red hairing,
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: what does that mean? I had to look that up
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: not too long ago.
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: To be honest, I knew about that because of another
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: mystery book and it was a clue and I was like, ah,
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: red hair.
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: Just a red hairing. But it was interesting to see
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: them bring that as a part of that conversation, which
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: you don't have obviously in the game. There's no real reason. Yeah,
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: there's no back there's no plot to it. You just
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: get murdered and you have to get like.
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: Right, oh, and you know that would be an interesting exercise.
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: Me and my friends used to do this, where we
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: would try to describe why they did it or.
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: Oh really go that far?
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, sometimes, especially if you get again like I have,
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: like what we do in the Shadows one. You know,
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: you know these characters, so you can try to describe, like,
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: why in the world would they have done this?
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: Well, now I needed you to play Star Wars to
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: see the backstory.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I would because.
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: You're supposed to know who gets murdered in that one.
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: I'm not sure if anyone gets murdered. So some of
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: the newer ones do this thing where like in what
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: we do in the shadow is one the cursed hat
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: goes missing. So it's oh, I feel like in the
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: Star Wars one it was something like that too.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: It wasn't murder. But ah, look, oh, now I've got
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: a good excuse to do.
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: You have to look it up for me. Yeah, yeah,
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: now that I think about it, I remember I also
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: had a three D clue and it was a museum,
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: and I think they are finding certain artwork. Yeah. Yeah,
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: it's a long time.
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: I have to say, you know, I hate to bring
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: it up, but and I had the Harry Potter clue,
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: and that one it was murder, and I always thought
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: that was kind of pretty dark.
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: For a wait, was it like Harry Potter murdered Someboddy.
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: It was like a bunch of death eaters. But one
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: time I played it when Jenny got murdered, and I
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: was like, oh, holy.
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: A heck, this is really dark. Oh my stars, yeah
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: o jey.
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: So maybe they moved up. Maybe they're like trying to
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: make ones now that are less about murder.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: I don't know, but.
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: I would love to see what a remake of this
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: would look like today.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: Hmm.
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: It would be interesting, because again it is they're trying
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: to make you think, like everybody could have done it right,
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: and at the time, you know, you have this like
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: the Red Scare and communism.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: You have this character who's.
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: Gay and it's like and then not gay, but they
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: were trying to be like, then it's him, so it
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: would be like.
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: It was one of those funny moments where it's like,
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: but I'm not ashamed of that, but I don't want
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: to be fired, which could be still very much.
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: I was thinking about that, like, it would not be
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: that hard because communism is still a threat, supposedly a threat.
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it would be interesting. I'm sure there's probably been
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: talks about remaking it.
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: Oh, there is practically, so I just pulled it up.
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: So in twenty twenty four there was a conversation of
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: Sony taking it. But it would be not like the film,
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: h it would be more like the game again, and
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: they've been trying it, says I could.
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: See it being like a four episode Netflix series or something.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: I don't know, lazy.
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Ryan Reynolds and Jason Bateman tried to get onto
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: it with the muppets. I don't know if I read
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: that right, Okay, y'all, they'll tell me because I'm like, wait, what,
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: but yeah, it would be interesting. So if there was
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: a conversation about how when they had some interviews in between,
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: like for anniversaries of Clue, Tim Cury had had a
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: stroke and was not able to participate, but was able
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: to come back later to participate and talk about his
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: memories of it, which I was really glad was able
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: to happen because I would have made me sad because
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: Tim Curry was pretty iconic in this, in this whole era,
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: I feel like he was eighty seventies champion, to be honest,
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: between that Rocky Horror for me, Legend, and so much.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: More, He's pretty iconic in most of his roles.
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: Oh and by the way, that's what it was. I
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: saw someone cross crossing Rocky Horror with Legend in their cosplay.
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: It was beautiful. It was like Tim Curry for both
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: of those as one. It was an amazing one. I
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: forgot about that just now because I was like, oh
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: my god, I get that.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: I get that.
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: I don't think maybe people would because they don't remember Legend.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: You'd be surprised.
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: A Dragon gun I don't know which I a couple
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: of years ago, me and a whole group of friends
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: tried to just go as a bunch of different Tim currys.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: Really it didn't work out, but I still think that's
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: a great idea.
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: Somebody goes as a butler. Somebody goes and then then
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: he was a horrible character in Criminal Minds.
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: Oh no, I feel like I want to go as
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: the muppet Cheshure Island one or it.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: Oh god, you're right, it's I'm just saying a lot
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: of options.
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of options. But okay, yeah, so that
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: was clue. How what would you grade this movie? Any
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: this cult classic that I love so much?
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: Hmmm?
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: How do I create it? Like a home run with
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: the candlestick in the library?
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: I don't know. It was fun. I enjoyed it.
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: I like you tried. I don't you try to add
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: that allgether? Yes, I hope you did. This is definitely
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: one of those that I don't watch often, but every
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: time I watch it, I just giggle each time each time.
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: And I love this. So yeah, listeners, let us know
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: what you think about this movie. Have you loved this movie?
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: Is this something that you think is a cult classic?
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: If you did tell me, why If you haven't tell
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: me why? Yeah?
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: And hopefully.
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: I mean we're we're well outside the window of spoilers.
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: But if you haven't seen it, go watch it.
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: Spoil it. It's forty years.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: No, we're well outside the window.
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: No, hopefully if somebody really wanted to watch it, they
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: would have stopped.
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: They would have not.
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but I mean, even if you know the ending,
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: it kind of goes in a wild way.
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: So it does.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you'll still be.
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: A watch still watch it?
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, Okay, Well, email us all of your thought
• 32:10
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