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The Dubious Book Club Podcast Ep 7 - Nevernight Part 1 · Dubious Creatures Presents

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Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Dubious Book Club
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podcast. I'm Aubrey, one of your dubious
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All I have to say is this life, this, and my gift to you.
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Let's go. Well and yeah, today for this
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month we are going to be discussing Never Night by Jay
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Kristoff. And before we get into things,
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content warnings. This book has graphic violence,
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gore, death of a parent, death of a child, torture, poisoning,
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animal death, and mentions of essay.
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So yeah, if this is not your thing, feel free to take a
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break, walk away, and anything super big I will try and mention
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it before it comes up because it's a book does not hold back.
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This book has hands right out the fucking gate.
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Yeah, it does. Holy shit.
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It does set the tone very early on, letting you know like, hey,
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you thought this was going to be a good experience.
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Well. A good fun time where nice
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things happen, no? No, it was like, you open up the
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book first page, a hand just comes out and slaps you in the
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face. It's like, whoa, I wasn't
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expecting this. But I want to have, I actually
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want to talk about that already is like I love the introduction
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because it sets off a tone of like, hey, you've heard of
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stories that could be one way. This ain't it.
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So just be aware. What's the very first sentence
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of the book again? It's.
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I have it right here. I can read it.
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Yes, please. Very first sentence of the book
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is people often shit themselves when they die like.
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The tone. Like I think what I love about
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that is there's just like always when you have things that are
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graphic, especially when they're violent and they're got these
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like graphic horror or anything, it's always painted with this
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brush of oh, wonder. But going off with the fact that
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people shit themselves are like, listen, we're going to have
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murder and death, but we're going to double down in it.
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I love in the world building kind of later on, but even early
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on to where they they talk about how the world smells.
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And as a person with an incredibly potent sense of
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smell, I love that that is a sense that they bring in because
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it activates all the right parts of my brain.
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They certainly do spend a lot of time about smell and The first
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trip to this book is called Firsts, and it certainly is.
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It is a. 1st for so many things. Yeah, first time, you know,
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murder. First time.
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First time. So I also, I have like so many
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thoughts, so many things. So the first, the first, what I
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love, I just want to talk about that.
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I love the analogy or I guess the comparison of it being a
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first time and a first time. And they like poetic nature of
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it being kind of the idea of impaling versus being impaled,
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the taste versus the taste, the sensation versus sensation, and
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how they both are like this loss of innocence in its own right at
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the same time. I completely agree with you as
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like I had to, I had to go back and like re listen to it a
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couple times to make sure that that's what I was getting
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because sometimes the those cutaways from like Mia's
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perspective to what is happening when confuse my little dyslexic
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brain. But yes, I completely agree with
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you often times and like I'm big serial killer person.
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I love murder porn. It's just a thing.
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Sorry, not sorry. The thing that you find a lot of
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times is when people are impotent, they use stabby
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stabbies as a way to mimic the act of intercourse penetration.
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That's a much better word. I want to just double down.
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I also because I watch Criminal Minds a lot and psychoanalysis
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on that. And I think first, my, like,
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last evaluation on that comparison of the 1st and what
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it carries through the rest of the story is that there is
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something beautiful about the nature of the murder being
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poetic, artistic, but also I feel personally a heavy allegory
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to like, sexual awakening and what it brings out in someone
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and what they've become through that experience in like a
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strong. Poor little things.
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Poor little. Yeah, what's a poor little thing
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movie kind of vibe. Yeah.
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Through Mia's journey in the beginning.
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Oh yeah, very much so. And one of the things that
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always makes me it makes me laugh a little bit.
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And just the weird fact that I always remember is in French, an
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orgasm is called le petite motte of the little death.
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And that was very apartment because they used that phrasing
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in the in the chapter. French run to something.
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They really were. Sometimes they were.
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Yeah. And yet, no, this this book kind
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of just throws you in there. With.
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These characters and what's going on, and it's very weird
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because I feel like this book is told from second person
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perspective at points and it takes a while to get used to.
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Yeah. Yeah, like I said.
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What? No.
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No, you go for. It no I was just going to say
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those cutaways were really hard for me.
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It made those those first few chapters.
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Like I would say it took me as a dyslexic probably the first 3
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chapters before my brain started really getting used to like the
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switching, the rapid switching of perspectives.
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Yeah, no, it's, it's a first fantasy book I think I've read
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in a very long time that has extremely extensive footnotes.
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Yeah, for for me, just as as like visually, I see it in my
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head like as I'm as I'm like listening to it like I'm, I'm,
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I'm visualizing as everything is going on.
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But then when it does the cutaway, I'm just like what?
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Hold on what? So I have to like go back and
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like kind of re listen to it as best as I can just to like, OK,
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let me get my footing here. All right, cool.
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Grasp what what was said before we go right back to to whatever
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the scene was. So yeah, it was it was a little
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charring for me too. This is.
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One of the first books where I had to make notes.
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I. Think like I.
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Had to pause and make notes. Yeah, I challenge with the the
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alternative perspective of time, especially because there's also
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in the present day, there's a lot of asides that we like would
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say something and be like, Oh yeah, based on that one word I
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said, here's several paragraphs going into a deep explanation of
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that, but also right, cut right back.
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Here's half a page about a rude gesture.
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Yeah. The origin of a rude gesture.
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And I'm like, this is fascinating and my academic
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brain loves it, but my fiction brain is just like, because I
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wasn't paying attention, because I, I usually listen while I work
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sometimes or when I'm like working out and stuff and then
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suddenly like I zone out for like 5-5 seconds and then
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suddenly we're talking about the history of a rude gesture.
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And I'm like, wait, what happened?
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Yeah, yes, yes, 100% yes. But outside of that, it's
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actually quite good. Yes.
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I think once you get on the pacing of it and you you hear
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the cues of like the narration switching, you can start to
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split your brain into the two halves and like switch gears,
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yes. Agreed.
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Yeah, it's it's so interesting because Mia is Mia, Corvair is
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our main character, but also the story is being told about her
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from like an outsider's perspective.
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It feels like it's. I always imagine the story being
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told from Mr. Kindly perspective.
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Yeah, yeah. I can definitely see that.
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Just like as a chronicler of Mia's rather unfortunate life.
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Well, she's really had an unfortunate life.
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We will definitely get into that.
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Yeah. I also side note, let's let's go
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on a side note here. Like our author, I love the vibe
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and the feel of the setting. So.
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Fucking much this like Italian Renaissance meets like I'm
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living in a demon skeleton thing is really cool.
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I'm a huge Dishonored fan so I get strong Dishonored and.
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Yes, 100%. Oh my God, nail on the head.
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Yes. Like as I'm, I'm seeing it from
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the view of like playing the games and seeing the, the dark,
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like diesel punk energy to it, the like divine prophecies
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lingering about the oil slick streets.
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Like I I see it, it's well developed in a way that I can
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just, I could smell it. And that one was a big one for
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me. It's because I could smell what
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I'm listening and I'm like some of those smells I didn't like,
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but also I appreciate that I could smell all of it.
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It's like I feel really immersed.
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Oh God, I feel really immersed. Oh.
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God, for me, it was, it was the IT was less about the IT was
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less about the description of the smells, but it was more
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about like the description, pal, like the nights were how that
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the days were and, and with like how things are done like in in
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obviously contrast to how our world is with like our, our
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revolves revolutions, you know, with like our, our days to their
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days that I found really fascinating.
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I would love to go back and just kind of like re re listen to all
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that again, just kind of like take notes on that, because I
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like on my walks with my dog, I like I'm listening to this and,
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and I'm like, I'm like looking at it.
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I'm like listening to it and like here in the description of
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just like, you know, how long it takes for, for an actual like
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day to go on by. And, and I, it's one of those
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like, I wish I had like a notebook on me because I, I want
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to like capture that because I think that that kind of a world
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is like really cool to me. Yeah, so the the.
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Three sons thing. Or like the two sons?
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No, it's 3. It's three sons.
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Three sons and then. The God their and their two
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children. Two sons.
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Or yeah, two daughters. Yeah.
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And his two daughters. And you know.
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And then the moon or night was banished because.
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Mom had two children or something like that.
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Yeah, because she dared to have a son.
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Yeah, that's. Right.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
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And, and, and the God was not a fan of that.
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And was, it seemed like, yeah, let's say, if I remember
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correctly, he felt there was, there was a feeling of, of
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threat because of that, even though like they made the
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promise like, hey, you won't have any sons.
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And then like when that happened, it was I, I, there was
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that feeling of like jealousy, like a son would come up.
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And, and maybe it was just from what I, from what I listened to
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that I, I, I got the feeling of like the fear from that God of
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like of having his place being taken by the sun, by the sun at
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some point in the future. That's, that's I, I was
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interested in that. I didn't, I didn't, I haven't
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thought too much deeper into it since then.
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But now that we're talking about, it's like, I'm, I'm
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curious. I would love to hear what your
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guys thoughts are because I I'm processing it again and I'm
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thinking like how we go from that.
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So I love religious studies in all kinds of media and
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particularly ones that go with like divine light and what that
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kind of does, especially because this has like a strong to me,
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Egyptian connection to like raw and how they go about it.
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I feel like the principle is like, ah had daughters so that
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they could spread their power and authority around.
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And the idea of having a male figure in the family is a
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patriarchal like idea that a son could eventually challenge me,
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which emphasizes the fact that there's a very strong
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patriarchal view in like the fact that all the leaders are
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male. Every individual who has any
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power, authority, or representation is male, while
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the women are focused on being what seems to be represented, as
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the time shows, subservient to their male counterparts or
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otherwise. So it's just kind of reinforcing
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this like patriarchal doctrine, which I think is what also makes
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the poetic nature of the MA more beautiful.
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Yeah. Completely agree.
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Yeah. And then what is it?
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It's like the fact that the idea is that for years it's
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exclusively sunlight, if I understand it correctly.
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And like once every so many years, there's a period of time
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where it will finally be like night time or something like
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that. Yeah.
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Yeah, like a leap. Year gives you night time.
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Yeah. And it's, it's, it's just a
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short period of time where you actually have that night time.
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So it like you like you had mentioned.
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It's like 3 years and then three nights of actual night.
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Yeah. Which for the reinforcement?
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Takes three days for the sun to fully set.
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And then it takes like 3 days for it to come back.
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Yeah, but there's a lot of three involved.
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Oh, because it's three days of sun for each of the, and their
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two daughters. And then it's three nights, I
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think, for Ma and the Sutton and the daughter.
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And then they're supposed to be like a seventh turn that's
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supposed to represent. So I I know it was in there
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somewhere that was trying to break out.
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I need. Christophe, give us your world
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building document. Thank you.
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Can you just hand me the notes? That'd be great, obviously.
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Speaking, I was reading through this and I was like, this would
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make a really killer game setting.
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I was already, my brain was already like 3 steps ahead on
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that. I was like, OK, if I were to do
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a campaign and I've got, you know, the Illuminatis,
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Illuminatis with these, Oh yeah, let's do it.
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Let's run a little mini campaign.
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It is it is really hilarious that you mentioned that is
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because I this is the first time I've actually like been using
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this book, but I bounced off this book many times and I took
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some of the world building early on in this book and used it for
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one of my current settings. It's.
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So. Dark setting.
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Yeah, it's for Knox Light. Knox That's one, right?
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Sorry, Ever dark is a whole different thing, I think.
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Oh, my brain. And mine is a mine is a world
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that hasn't seen the sun in 100 years.
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I think so much it just there's so much detail into it, which I
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think is why also that's why the asides are so rough, because I
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feel like Jaker soft was definitely like, listen, the
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world building matters because it does.
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There is what I will say is this as much of the asides were
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almost every aside was had at least world building wise was
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relevant, even if it was minor. It wasn't just like, oh, here's
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a random fact. It was almost.
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Like cut the. Tension in some points where
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it's like real heavy and almost dry and it added like this witty
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humor as a satirical point on how ridiculous society is to
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keep you from like getting indoctrinated into like this is
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how society works, but also they're flawed, don't forget.
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Oh yeah, there is certainly a lot.
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You know, it is an interesting world building project.
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I can't wait for him to actually write a book about it.
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Yeah. That is the part that we've
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commented is the amount of asides that really give you
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depth of some very inane things that are fun.
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And I, I feel like I've seen TTRBD setting books specifically
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that do that. They're like, hey, here's a
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little bit of world building and also here's a little bit of like
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novel, but no seriously, here's more world building notes.
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Some pages have like 2 to 3 footnotes on them.
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It's worse the further into the book you get.
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Like you'll know that the first couple, the first couple
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chapters, it's relatively conservative with the asides and
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then it just keeps going and going.
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Right, since we're only like, I've noticed that like I want to
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talk about how like the later parts definitely starts doubling
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down, like trying to get the dissertation word count minimum
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expectation towards that part. For sure.
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Did you have any thoughts on chapter 1?
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So I heard. Y'all fucking?
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Murdering. Sometimes it's one of the same.
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I mean, look. I don't know, man.
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It's the the book begins with. Sometimes they never tell you
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how they shit themselves and it's like, OK, well aren't we
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feeling spicy? Just a little.
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Just a little. Spicy.
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And just like we told you that, here's the sex scene.
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And it's like, oh, this is going to be a fun bit of edgy
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nonsense, isn't it? Yes, and it never stops being
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edgy. This is this is this is some
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middle school fanfic levels of edgy right here.
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Let's fucking go. I, I do have to say when I, when
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I started the book, I would actually started it as I was
19:30
starting to do yard work. So when I had push play and I
19:34
began working on what is it on like moving rocks?
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Because that's a thing here in, in, in my city.
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As soon as it got started. And that was like the first
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line. I like stood straight up.
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I'm like, what in the and if some of my neighbor neighbors
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were like nearby and they looked at me and I'm like, I pointed to
19:56
my headphones. I kind of waved at them and
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they're like, and they gave me a thumbs up and I'm just like,
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what the hell am I listening to? Yes, that is correct response by
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the way. Yeah, very, very correct
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response. Because then chapter 2 goes,
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let's remember when she watched her father hang.
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I'm just like, that must be a new record for the tragic back
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story. Well.
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Listen, if if you're going to build a rogue, you have to make
20:21
sure that they feel all the roguing nonsense like it's a
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checklist. It's.
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Fair. It's awesome.
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Very fair. Awkward first time dead parent.
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Tragic City, losing everything you once loved.
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You know you really have to stack them up, otherwise your
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rogue isn't really a rogue. Truth it what is it?
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It? It was.
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It gave Aria Stark to me like as it was going on through, it was
20:48
like, how, how inspired were you from Game of Thrones?
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I I have to know this because this is what it's giving to me
20:57
right now. It's it's one part.
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I don't know, it's like equal measures.
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This fucking cocktail of AG nonsense is equal measures of
21:08
Arya Stark's Ark from Game of Thrones, the Dark Brotherhood
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quest line from Skyrim, and. Just a.
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Little bit of Assassin's Creed sprinkled in for good measure.
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I feel like someone was trying to make a shadow monk and
21:28
chapter 2 was their character back story.
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Yeah. Although I do appreciate getting
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a new nickname for my Lovecraftian shadow demon.
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Isn't that right, She'll? I will now refer to you as Mr.
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Kindly. From now on I.
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I did. I liked that name a lot.
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Mr. Kindly so much. Mr. Kindly is fun.
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We need more sarcastic shadow demons in literature.
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I I love, I do love that, like when you get a, a demonic,
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especially an eldritch entity of any kind and it gets an
22:04
innocuous cat name. Like if I can have a Cthulhu cat
22:09
and going, Oh, this is little fiddles and you're like, no, no,
22:11
that's not. Hey guys, here's my Eldridge
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Horror being. It's Mr. Sprinkles.
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He's a cute and adorable little being.
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Say hi. Ignore the not eyes and the not
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smile. Yes, Mr. Whiskers, have you been
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devouring the souls of the innocent again?
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Yeah. Also for those at home, she'll
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is the name of my very real and sadly non sadly quite Euclidean
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Maine Coon. If you don't know who he is by
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now, what the fuck are you guys doing?
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He's got a he's the mascot of our.
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Fuck it, he's on the website. She's on the.
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Website. Sheel and my cat Isaac are on
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the website. Yeah, not on the website hold.
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The phone. I don't because.
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I don't know. I don't know well clearly.
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You haven't management. Clearly you haven't bribed.
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Look, clearly you haven't bribed Ilona enough, is all I'm going
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to say. She knows which side.
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She knows. She knows what's good for her.
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Chapter 2, we get like a little bit more of a look at like
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what's going on and where she's going because she gets on the
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the boat to head to leave God's grave.
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OK, but like her mom holding her up to witness what happened to
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her dad is. Fucked.
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It's so fucked. My kind of take away from that
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chapter is that seed and I was like what is happening?
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This book has so many hands. Is all.
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Never flinch. Listen, her mom was like,
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listen, you need to be traumatized so you don't let
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these men do what men do. Yes.
24:00
Listened an entire. Book about it.
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Listened Protagonist ain't for pussies, shows.
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Shut up and watch your father be unfairly executed.
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Was your father was the head of a failed revolution?
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Yeah, because the fucking God's grave is.
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I mean, it's basically fantasy Rome made fantasy Venice with,
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again, just a light dash of fantasy Catholicism for good
24:31
measure. The dash of the city from
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Dishonored. Yeah, it's and again, the only
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reason I know that is because I read the asides.
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Oh. Yeah.
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So many asides. You don't have a choice when
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you're listening to the audio book.
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The narrator just goes I. Wonder what the book would sound
24:52
like if you took out all the asides.
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I'm just real curious, you know, like it.
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Would probably be so fast. Well, yeah, I read.
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Quite a bit back. I read the book.
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Yeah, I read the book just without.
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So the e-book version has little like the aside the little links
25:10
to other like an appendix area. And fuck me if that doesn't mess
25:16
with your flow every time you click on one, because then you
25:19
have to click back on the same little asterisk or whatever to
25:22
get back to the page you were on.
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But sometimes it doesn't take you back to the direct page.
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It's a headache. Yeah, no, just to the on the
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print version there at the like the bottom of the page and
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stuff. But yeah, it's it's and I'm just
25:36
like when you're listening to the audio book, it's suddenly
25:39
it's just boom. We're now on an aside and my
25:43
voice has only changed just a little bit to let you know that
25:45
we're on an aside. Yeah, like we folks, we'd love
25:49
to talk about the actual content of the plot.
25:52
If we could get through all these fucking asides, we'd love
25:55
to talk about what's actually happening to Mia Corvare.
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I bet you didn't even realize she had a name at this point.
26:03
But we can't. We still have homework to do.
26:07
Imagine I'm reading a fiction book and having homework
26:09
assignments each day. What?
26:12
Are you an RPG player? Disgusting and murder someone
26:21
else on the boat. Oh yeah, shit, right.
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Yeah, the handsy sailor. Right, sorry the.
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OK, but he deserved. That he did.
26:31
I know they both did. There's a bit of a problem that
26:35
this book reveals with that scene.
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And it's not necessarily like every time Mia has a moment to
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breathe, some asshole walks into view.
26:45
Because unfortunately the book has an issue with trying to
26:51
create conflict in scenes that otherwise are meant to just be,
26:57
well, you know, not immediately imperiling somebody.
27:03
So there's always some dude who's looking askance.
27:08
And I mean, it's not like you really care what happens to
27:11
them. But that's another problem with
27:13
the I have with the book is that I don't really give a shit what
27:16
happens to anybody in this book. That was my problem too.
27:19
I, especially in the first half, I couldn't care less about any
27:24
person who was dying because I was like, oh, OK, because
27:27
they're all assholes. I mean, there's nobody
27:30
redeemable early on in any way, shape or form.
27:34
And they just kind of bring people in to be like, see this
27:37
person, but I think they brought him in just to be like, see,
27:40
look how bad things are. They deserve to die.
27:43
So Mia's got to do what Mia's got to do.
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I don't know, but it's like, oh God, it's oh, we're going full
27:52
grim dork with this one, aren't we?
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Yeah, I. Think some of the characters
27:56
introduced, I was like, oh what are they going to do to piss off
27:58
Mia or someone close to Mia where they're going to have to
28:00
die? Yeah, like because we only
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three, that's when they're just like, wow, you know how things
28:08
are going to get worse. Listener, if you are sensitive
28:13
to pet death, just skip chapter 3.
28:16
Yeah, they fucking killed. They fucking killed Captain
28:21
Puddles. That was that was the part that
28:23
I actually cared about. That those bastards killed
28:27
Captain Puddles. That that cat only existed for
28:30
like a couple of pages and already I feel like the most
28:33
sympathetic character in the entirety of Nevernight died
28:36
tragically. Acting Mia.
28:42
Yeah, her back story doesn't get any look, Long story short, Long
28:48
story, very short, because there isn't time.
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We've got four more pages of background information to get
28:53
through. Mia Carrera is from a noble
29:00
family of the Tran Republic, which rules over the city state
29:04
of God's grave. And basically her dad tried to
29:10
pull an unsuccessful Julius Caesar and suffered the
29:13
consequences. And then shit just got worse
29:16
from there. And now Mia is on a revenge
29:18
quest against the people who, you know, wronged again.
29:24
It's Arya Stark, Yeah, it's RA Stark.
29:28
Like, yeah, it's not even particularly subtle.
29:31
Her whole mission is to hunt down everybody who was
29:33
contributed to her Father's death is at least what we are
29:38
given. Yeah I think it would probably
29:43
help with the whole motivation surrounding the revenge ark if
29:47
we got just the smallest snapshot of life pre everything
29:52
going to shit. A little bit like we've got the
29:55
the consequences of the rebellion, but I'm like, what
30:00
was the rebellion trying to fix specifically?
30:04
Yeah, like, because apparently the trade Republic, you know,
30:12
overthrew is called Republic because, you know, it overthrew
30:16
its, you know, monarchy. And I'm like, OK, fair.
30:22
Yeah. And then apparently the reason
30:26
why the Corvares got shafted is because they're avowed
30:30
monarchists. But apparently democracy also
30:36
doesn't really function in this universe, which, OK, also fair.
30:41
But again, it's like you're not giving us a lot of reasons to
30:44
root for any aside in particular.
30:46
And again, that's a problem that the book just has.
30:50
Generally like make a note to that is like when they talk
30:53
about the like the individuals in charge they paint everything
30:58
is kind of better than it was before.
31:03
Yeah, I mean, look, so Chancellor Palpatine, OK, his
31:09
name's Scape, but he's Chancellor Palpatine, let's be
31:11
real. Yeah, he's the.
31:13
Palpatine. Yeah, I'm look, I'm not saying
31:17
he's a good guy, but he seems to be doing pretty.
31:22
He seems to have generally improved some things.