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Keep AI Out of Podcasting 9-30-26 · OneLegUpAlex Media

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Speaker 1: Here's your host, Alex Garrett.
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Speaker 2: It's International Podcast Day and at One Leg Up Alex Media,
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Speaker 2: I just want to give a shout out to Spreaker,
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Speaker 2: my home flagship for carrying the show for now 12
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Speaker 2: plus years. We're going on to year 13 in 2027.
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Speaker 2: Hard to believe I'm saying that, but thank you Spreaker
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Speaker 2: for distributing the show. and for really just putting this
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Speaker 2: out there. When I first started this thing, I just
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Speaker 2: want to get the truth out about the taxpaying dollars,
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Speaker 2: where it was going to, holding our taxpayer, paying money
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Speaker 2: accountable and all that.
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Speaker 3: I didn't expect it to lead.
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Speaker 2: To a grant in 2025, thanks to IdeaSpark. And I
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Speaker 2: didn't think it would lead to a big connection with
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Speaker 2: Fanatics to the point of being in the Fanatics games.
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Speaker 2: And we all know how that went from there at
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Speaker 2: Fanatics Fest. So, When I started this little thing in 2014,
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Speaker 2: I didn't know how many legs it would have, but
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Speaker 2: it's really grown to one leg up, Alex Media. And
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Speaker 2: I want to thank Ryan. I want to thank everybody
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Speaker 2: out there listening. I want to thank Ashi, my mom, Vic,
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Speaker 2: my dad, who was there from the beginning in 2014
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Speaker 2: and before that at Blog Talk Radio.
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Speaker 3: And now this is the future 12 years later.
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Speaker 2: I talked about yesterday's superintelligence being the cool name now
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Speaker 2: for AI.
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Speaker 3: Can I still say it on my podcast? But Edison Research.
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Speaker 2: I could do a whole highlight show of this on
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Speaker 2: National Podcast Day of One Look Up Alex Media, but
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Speaker 2: I want to focus on this.
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Speaker 3: Because this is interesting.
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Speaker 2: Edison Podcast Metrics asked weekly consumers how they would feel
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Speaker 2: if their favorite podcast hosts started using AI-generated version of
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Speaker 2: themselves to host their podcasts. First of all, I think
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Speaker 2: that's freaky, and I always think people put their voice
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Speaker 2: out there risk being copied anyway because people just take
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Speaker 2: their voice like this and just start repeating it in AI.
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Speaker 2: It's very creepy to me. But here's what the stats say.
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Speaker 2: Most weekly podcast consumers, 66% of them reacted negatively to
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Speaker 2: the idea. One-third of them said they would feel deceived.
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Speaker 2: Another third feeling upset. 32% said skeptical, followed by 28%
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Speaker 2: who felt betrayed. Only 27% of weekly podcast consumers selected
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Speaker 2: any positive emotion. 14% of weekly podcast consumers were impressed
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Speaker 2: by the usage of an AI-generated host. Another 12% were optimistic,
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Speaker 2: and 10% were fascinated. Ryan, you might want to do
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Speaker 2: this on your podcast, too, because this is a real podcast.
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Speaker 2: scare for people in the radio and production community. It's
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Speaker 2: why SAG-AFTRA went on strike, because companies were going to
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Speaker 2: start using the actors like this in AI. The point
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Speaker 2: of doing it naturally to talk to you, the listener,
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Speaker 2: is so that AI doesn't take over the podcast space.
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Speaker 2: I don't think having someone put their voice in AI,
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Speaker 2: you might.
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Speaker 3: Be creative or whatever, but it doesn't help the cause.
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Speaker 3: of keeping humans around in this industry.
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Speaker 2: Every day, I feel like we're all worried, is our
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Speaker 2: voice going to be taken over by AI? Could an
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Speaker 2: AI person voice 10 million job spots, if you will?
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's one of those things where if you're
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Speaker 2: in this business, especially as a podcaster or a radio
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Speaker 2: voiceover guy, you do not want AI to take over
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Speaker 2: because they would take over your job. They would mimic
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Speaker 2: your likeness and voice and make you say things you
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Speaker 2: never said. I am strongly against that. I would never
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Speaker 2: do that or tamper with it. And I've been offered, hey,
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Speaker 2: can you give us your podcast selection to do, you know,
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Speaker 2: to make it AI and we'll give you money back?
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Speaker 3: I'm like, no, I'm not doing that. That means AI
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Speaker 3: is winning.
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Speaker 2: By labeling it super intelligence, he's giving credence to AI,
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Speaker 2: which I don't like either. For goodness sake, look how
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Speaker 2: many jobs get replaced at your local McDonald's because you
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Speaker 2: can just go up there and order from A machine.
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Speaker 2: There's only like three or four people behind the counter now.
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Speaker 2: And you want that in the media space? No wonder
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Speaker 2: SAG-AFTRA went on strike for a good six months or more.
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Speaker 2: Because they're fighting back at this cost-cutting thing known as AI.
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Speaker 3: It's not really to benefit anybody. It's actually to, I
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Speaker 3: would say, take us over. And Ryan Pagano, you want
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Speaker 3: to weigh in on this?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, if I could just bring something up
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Speaker 4: here really quick, I mean, just, and you're 100% right
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Speaker 4: about all this, Alex. I mean, as somebody who makes
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Speaker 4: his living by voicing a ton of job spots for
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Speaker 4: my day job, like, it's incredibly dangerous to have this
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Speaker 4: kind of thing going around and seem sort of more normalized,
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Speaker 4: if you will. But also the fact that, I mean,
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Speaker 4: you can't go a single day on social media now
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Speaker 4: without seeing some sort of, what the kids will call
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Speaker 4: AI slop.
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Speaker 1: And that's just all.
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Speaker 4: These different graphics generated by artificial intelligence and all that.
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Speaker 4: And it could be a flyer for, you know, an
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Speaker 4: event or even a flyer promoting, you know, food menu
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Speaker 4: items or something like that. Like I've seen so many
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Speaker 4: eateries utilize AI slop to promote their business.
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Speaker 1: And I don't know, man, it.
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Speaker 3: Just doesn't sit right with me. I don't really understand
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Speaker 3: that either. Like, I don't know. It sort of dumbs
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Speaker 3: it down as well and makes it less personable.
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Speaker 1: But what's wrong with the human aspect of it? But
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Speaker 1: isn't what.
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Speaker 2: Podcasting is personal? There's a personal medium that you and
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Speaker 2: I are on every damn day.
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Speaker 4: It's not robot to human or anything like that. It
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Speaker 4: doesn't hit the same. I mean, you want authentic podcasting?
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Speaker 4: It's human to human. You're never going to get authentic
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Speaker 4: from a robot. I'm sorry, but it's really no wonder
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Speaker 4: why people are saying, oh, AI might kill us all
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Speaker 4: or something like that. Because you do not have the
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Speaker 4: same level of authenticity there.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely not.
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Speaker 1: I mean, that's just the truth. You're never going to
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Speaker 1: have authenticity.
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Speaker 2: Now, Ryan, let me ask you this because I know
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Speaker 2: you're going to rip off a couple of pods. Are
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Speaker 2: you going to incorporate this into your stats at PAG's
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Speaker 2: perspective today? Because it's actually comforting to know people that
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Speaker 2: listen to these podcasts want actual human voices, like 66%
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Speaker 2: is good. But I want to convince the other 27%
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Speaker 2: or whatever that, you know, You can like creativity, but
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Speaker 2: I also believe you can be creative with the mind,
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Speaker 2: not with AI.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and wouldn't you want an actual human being to
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Speaker 4: be more creative? And look, I get it from the
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Speaker 4: monetary perspective. People don't want to pay other people for
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Speaker 4: their work. And that's fine, but, you know, people... Well,
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Speaker 4: I shouldn't really be saying it's fine. It's actually not fine.
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Speaker 4: People got to make a living one way or another.
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Speaker 4: And by having AI take all these creative jobs, you're
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Speaker 4: taking away the creativity of human beings... And then you're
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Speaker 4: also costing people their livelihood of work. I mean, that
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Speaker 4: just does not sit right with me.
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Speaker 2: And actually, you're not respecting the time, the effort, the energy.
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Speaker 1: The artist.
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Speaker 3: The passion that we have going into this whole thing.
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Speaker 4: How about the number of years that it took for
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Speaker 4: these artists to get to where they are right now
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Speaker 4: just to be dethroned by AI or what President Trump
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Speaker 4: is now calling superintelligence or whatever the heck they want
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Speaker 4: to call it now.
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Speaker 2: Right. No, it's... It's alarming that he's giving that credence,
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Speaker 2: and I'm glad that 66% are saying, no, keep it
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Speaker 2: the way it is. But also, I want to come
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Speaker 2: on here on Spreaker and iHeartRadio, Spotify, wherever you listen
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Speaker 2: to One Leg of Alex Media and say, forcefully so,
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Speaker 2: keep AI out of podcasting. That's my message today at
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Speaker 2: One Leg of Alex Media on International Podcast Day.
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Speaker 3: Keep it out of podcasting. Be creative, damn it.
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Speaker 4: And let's be guaranteed human here to borrow a line
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Speaker 4: from iHeartRadio's liners.
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Speaker 2: All right, real quick, on International Podcast Day, you've had
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Speaker 2: this podcast for a while, Pat's perspective. Are you surprised
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Speaker 2: how well it's grown through Spreaker? Because, I mean, even
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Speaker 2: you get syndicated on different apps now.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I mean, a lot of that had to
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Speaker 4: do with you helping me out through the process. So
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Speaker 4: let's just say I wouldn't necessarily be here, or I would, but,
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Speaker 4: you know, I definitely wouldn't be on that level without
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Speaker 4: the help that you gave me to syndicate this whole
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Speaker 4: thing in the first place but you know 100 plus
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Speaker 4: episodes now of peg's perspective and we're only going to
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Speaker 4: keep growing from here on out and countless number of
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Speaker 4: collabs as well i mean a lot of them on
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Speaker 4: the one leg up network believe it or not so
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Speaker 4: i mean probably closer to about i don't know 150
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Speaker 4: by now something like that if not more i mean
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Speaker 4: i've kind of lost track admittedly but that's just how
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Speaker 4: much that i'm investing in this thing in the first
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Speaker 4: place this human to human connection that is seemingly getting
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Speaker 4: lost in this changing media world now.
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Speaker 3: It's insane. And then, so keep an eye out of podcasting.
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Speaker 2: And then the other thing I want to mention or
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Speaker 2: say on this International Podcast Day, and I'm going to
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Speaker 2: bring on Sean Hughes, who was my very first speaker
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Speaker 2: podcast that really went, you know, that started it all
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Speaker 2: in 2014. I'm going to bring him back on a
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Speaker 2: bit later today, do like a celebration of this. But
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Speaker 2: I did that in 2014 after bouncing around from Blog
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Speaker 2: Talk Radio. I had a speaker account in 2013 as well,
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Speaker 2: but that kind of went defunct.
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Speaker 3: So I would start up again.
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Speaker 2: And like my buddy Caleb Vasquez, who we saw last
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Speaker 2: night at American Whiskey, shout out to the Fanatics Advisory Board.
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Speaker 2: An incredible night for Game 1.
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Speaker 3: I don't know.
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Speaker 2: I don't know why we lost our voices for Game
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Speaker 2: 1 of hopefully a long run, but we did.
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Speaker 3: You know, 9-0.
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Speaker 2: I don't think anybody expected the Yankees to come out swinging,
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Speaker 2: especially without Judge, but Ben Rice stepping up. Maybe we'll
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Speaker 2: do that on another show too with Sean and Ryan,
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Speaker 2: but my message today is take that risk. You might
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Speaker 2: be afraid that your voice isn't strong enough or good
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Speaker 2: enough or people don't want to hear what you think,
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Speaker 2: but the Testament of this podcast and the growth I
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Speaker 2: think of it as from that outside perspective is, Oh
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Speaker 2: my God, I went from just doing it every few
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Speaker 2: days and weeks to almost every day to them, bring
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Speaker 2: on people to them, pivoting to the adaptability network, which
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Speaker 2: is really one leg up on adapting, really changed the
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Speaker 2: course of this whole show.
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Speaker 3: And I focus on that too, a lot. Um, take
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Speaker 3: that risk. You have thoughts, get it out there while
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Speaker 3: you can.
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Speaker 2: And as much as we're afraid of AI, the tech
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Speaker 2: space in general is a perfect way, this podcast space
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Speaker 2: is a perfect way to make your voice heard. As
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Speaker 2: I told Lindsay, as I told Ryan, as I told Caleb,
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Speaker 2: as I told Nitin, who has a podcast as well,
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Speaker 2: Julian Gilardi on Instagram, we are in the voices of now.
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Speaker 3: And you can be too. Just open up that mic.
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Speaker 3: Start a podcast.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, if you want to start with Spreaker, amazing, because
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Speaker 2: they have that network of, of being able to distribute you.
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Speaker 2: I've been proud to call speaker a flagship the last
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Speaker 2: 12 years, but now's the time to talk. Now is
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Speaker 2: the era because as much as we love radio, I
11:26
Speaker 2: do think podcast is an excellent supplement to it. And, um, and,
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Speaker 2: and now's your time to get, I don't want to
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Speaker 2: say seen or.
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Speaker 3: Discovered, but to get your thoughts out there.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's 700 of us or more, but you know what?
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Speaker 3: You can find your own niche. I certainly have. Ryan
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Speaker 3: certainly has.
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Speaker 2: And, um, 12 years later, I was a Fanatics competitor
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Speaker 2: because of this podcast.
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Speaker 3: I really believe that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know why that's the case?
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Speaker 4: Because these podcasters now, us included, are not afraid to
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Speaker 4: branch out of their comfort zone. Like, I'll admit, when
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Speaker 4: I started this podcast, and I don't know if you
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Speaker 4: felt the same way back when you were starting the
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Speaker 4: One Leg Up Network, Alex, but, you know, you just
12:05
Speaker 4: felt that sort of imposter syndrome, if you will, where
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Speaker 4: you're just wondering to yourself, like, do I really belong
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Speaker 4: on a podcast or something like that? Like, is this really...
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Speaker 4: something that I belong in? And the answer to that
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Speaker 4: is always going to be yes. Like, exactly what you said, Alex,
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Speaker 4: everybody's going to find a niche one way or another.
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Speaker 4: You just got to not be afraid to take risks,
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Speaker 4: branch out of your comfort zone, and, hey, you'll have
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Speaker 4: a platform of.
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Speaker 3: Your own if you work hard enough, you know? And
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Speaker 3: even getting to meet Ben Rice and Cam and all that,
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Speaker 3: I mean.
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Speaker 1: Make all those connections.
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Speaker 2: I do believe that's all because that stemmed from this,
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Speaker 2: starting this in the winter of 2014 on Super Bowl Eve.
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Speaker 2: when the Broncos had played the Seahawks, we did that show,
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Speaker 2: and I played a lot of clips from Radio Row,
12:51
Speaker 2: thanks to AIM 970. The answer is Mark DeBoer for
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Speaker 2: giving me that press access. That was unbelievable to go
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Speaker 2: on Radio Row, and it really jump-started this. And I
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Speaker 2: still bring people on 12 years later. How special is that?
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Speaker 4: I mean, 12 straight years of bringing all these different voices,
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Speaker 4: different perspectives on. I mean, there's nothing quite like it,
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Speaker 4: and I mean, Yeah, you're going to get the same
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Speaker 4: thing in radio now.
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Speaker 1: But what I always tell.
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Speaker 4: People, you know, because everybody says, oh, radio is a
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Speaker 4: dying industry and all that.
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Speaker 1: It's an evolving one.
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Speaker 4: And I mean, it's clear now that podcasts are going
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Speaker 4: to be the future. No question about it. But, you know,
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Speaker 4: from radio to podcasting and wherever else podcasting is going
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Speaker 4: to take us from there. It's important that you still
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Speaker 4: get that human-to-human connection.
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Speaker 2: And we're very lucky that we get to balance it
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Speaker 2: out on the radio here because you get on the
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Speaker 2: air sometimes.
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Speaker 3: I get on the air sometimes.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, you get your own unique connections from both platforms
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Speaker 4: either way.
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Speaker 1: And that's the.
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Speaker 4: Cool thing about being able to be immersed in both
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Speaker 4: of them. You have your own unique connections from the
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Speaker 4: podcasts and all that. And then you combine that with
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Speaker 4: the radio connections, I mean– It's a match made in heaven.
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Speaker 2: I mean, we had Dom Scala on radio, and then
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Speaker 2: I had you and him and Joni a little bit
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Speaker 2: on the pod a few minutes later.
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Speaker 3: I mean, that's how cool life is like that, you know?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, it's unpredictable like that, but in the
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Speaker 4: best possible way.
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Speaker 2: And I had Ken Davidoff on. I just saw him
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Speaker 2: last on Monday night. I'm going to post those pictures.
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Speaker 2: And it's a good way to promote your socials because,
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Speaker 2: as you know, I do a lot of different, you know,
14:23
Speaker 2: links to my FNAX creator store and I promote them
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Speaker 2: on social media. And I'm sure you do the same. You,
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Speaker 2: you say, Hey, follow me at Ryan Pags for podcasting, right?
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Speaker 3: And all that.
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Speaker 1: So, Oh yeah.
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Speaker 4: Like I give the shout outs to my platforms accordingly
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Speaker 4: as well.
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Speaker 1: Cause you know what? It's not just my personal platform
14:38
Speaker 1: and all that.
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Speaker 4: Like now you get to see a little bit more
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Speaker 4: of me as far as, you know, what I actually
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Speaker 4: cover and sort of my perspectives on these big things.
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Speaker 4: A lot of the, a lot of them have to
14:48
Speaker 4: do with sports of course, but, It's just easier than
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Speaker 4: ever to get your own unique perspectives out there and
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Speaker 4: to actually get people to listen.
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Speaker 3: Well, we'll have to see.
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Speaker 2: One other thing I will also say is, I don't
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Speaker 2: know if you've found this, but when you jump on
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Speaker 2: the air with the podcasting, you kind of bring to
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Speaker 2: the airwaves, if you will, what you text friends in
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Speaker 2: group chats or what.
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Speaker 3: You write on Twitter.
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Speaker 2: And I love that dynamic of writing something and then
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Speaker 2: bring it to this podcast.
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Speaker 3: There's something to that.
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Speaker 4: Because it's like you're just talking to your friends, except
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Speaker 4: it's that times however much.
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 4: Being on the radio and all that. And I mean, look, Alex,
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Speaker 4: you were a firsthand witness to me hosting for the
15:33
Speaker 4: first time ever on AM 970, The Answer. I guest
15:37
Speaker 4: hosted Shake It Off Live with Bert and Lucas. I mean,
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Speaker 4: that was a fun time, too. But that's exactly what
15:44
Speaker 4: it felt like, going into the show and all that.
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Speaker 1: I'm just.
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Speaker 4: chatting it up with some friends and all that, just
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Speaker 4: a little bit amplified by the fact that you're on
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Speaker 4: AIM Radio and the number one market and all that. But,
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Speaker 4: you know, for as much imposter syndrome as I had
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Speaker 4: felt going into that, ultimately, you know, doing the podcasting
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Speaker 4: and all that, you just feel like a natural.
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Speaker 1: And that's why I really wasn't, I really can't say
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Speaker 1: I was that nervous.
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Speaker 3: You weren't nervous at all. You were very, very poised.
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Speaker 1: I'm used to it.
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Speaker 4: Now I'm just on a different stage. And look, I'm
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Speaker 4: not going to say no to that. if the opportunity
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Speaker 4: is going to present itself. So, you know, having something
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Speaker 4: to prove and all that going from the podcasting to
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Speaker 4: sitting in the hosting chair.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: On radio in the number one market in the world.
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Speaker 4: I mean, you got a lot to prove out there
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Speaker 4: and there you go.
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Speaker 2: Well, I want to say from Asher, always my mom,
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Speaker 2: my stepdad, as I said earlier, my dad, my buddies
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Speaker 2: from Queens college who really helped me get off this,
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Speaker 2: get this off the ground. Viscardi family, to now Nithin, Julian, Caleb, Lindsay, you,
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Speaker 2: and of course Sherry, who I actually met through this podcast.
16:56
Speaker 2: Thanks to Steve Cohen, gotta shout him out as well.
16:59
Speaker 2: And of course my 970 The Answer family, from Lou Terminello,
17:03
Speaker 2: Terminello's take, to DJ Brink, Matt Sanbolin, who when I
17:07
Speaker 2: started this thing 12 years ago said, what is Spreaker? Well,
17:11
Speaker 2: now it's become a thing, and kind of a joke
17:14
Speaker 2: at times, but It's become a thing. It's become a
17:17
Speaker 2: part of our daily lives here with the radio because
17:20
Speaker 2: he's got two podcasters in production on the daily. So
17:24
Speaker 2: thanks to Matt for always believing in us and to
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Speaker 2: Jerry Crowley, to Laura, all of them at the 970 family. Very,
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Speaker 2: very honored that we sort of have that connection with
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Speaker 2: the podcast and the radio world. Just what an incredible
17:44
Speaker 2: connection that's become.
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Speaker 3: So, yes, it's really growing here. What a span of
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Speaker 3: 12 years.
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Speaker 2: And I'm not done yet, but I just want to
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Speaker 2: take a moment and reflect how much this has been
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Speaker 2: able to grow.
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Speaker 3: And I can't do it by myself.
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Speaker 2: I've got a lot of people that continually support and
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Speaker 2: encourage me to jump on this microphone. And that's what
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Speaker 2: keeps me going. Yeah, my own thoughts, but then I
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Speaker 2: get encouraged by it. You know, when I was at
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Speaker 2: Queens College, I used to look at the meter of
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Speaker 2: who was listening.
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Speaker 3: True story.
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Speaker 2: And sometimes I get zero people and I get very
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Speaker 2: frustrated because I have an hour to fill and I'm like,
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Speaker 2: who am I talking to? Then I just started getting
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Speaker 2: over that and started getting more confident in what I
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Speaker 2: was talking about.
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Speaker 3: Now with this podcast, thanks to all the.
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Speaker 2: Distribution, 65,000 downloads since 2012. I mean, that's no small feat.
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Speaker 2: I was excited to get to 50. I'm now ready
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Speaker 2: to get to 75, right? Yeah.
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Speaker 4: So, I mean, you've been talking about on your show too.
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Speaker 4: Road to 35, Road to 35, all the different places
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Speaker 4: that you visited this year. Is it time now to
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Speaker 4: start the Road to 70 or Road to 75? Can
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Speaker 4: we make that a thing?
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Speaker 3: Drive to 75,000. I'd love that.
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Speaker 2: And it's so funny. They're like, are you going to
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Speaker 2: make a GoFundMe to get to that? I'm like, no,
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Speaker 2: it's not a GoFundMe account. It's really just getting the
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Speaker 2: podcast listenership. Because as you know, the more podcasts listens,
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Speaker 2: the more changes this becomes more marketable. I thought One
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Speaker 2: Leg Up with Alex Garrett was the first step in
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Speaker 2: making this a more marketable brand.
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Speaker 3: I kind of was right. My stepdad helped me with
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Speaker 3: the naming on that.
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Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden, I've got an impact.com
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Speaker 2: affiliation stuff going on. You can make yourself marketable in branding.
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Speaker 2: And Ryan, you've done a great job at that.
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Speaker 1: I try to.
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Speaker 2: I can't wait to hear your advertisers at some point.
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Speaker 2: Because you've got a good brand to get advertisers from.
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Speaker 1: Eventually. It's only the beginning.
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Speaker 3: It's only the beginning.
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Speaker 2: For now, though, we've got to go back to radio,
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Speaker 2: but thank you on International Podcasters Day for continually listening
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Speaker 2: here at One Look Up Alex Media. Follow PAG's perspective
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Speaker 2: as well at Spreaker and other outlets, and we'll just
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Speaker 2: keep keeping the conversation going here. But yes, keep AI
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Speaker 2: out of podcasting. And that's my message on International Podcasting
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Speaker 2: Day on One Leg of Alex Media.
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Speaker 1: Guaranteed human.