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Private eye lures stepmom to reveal location of tot boy Lucas Hernandez’s tiny body · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: on Sirius x him Triumph Channel one thirty two. A
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Speaker 1: five year old little boy goes missing, and seemingly everyone
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Speaker 1: goes about their business. Why it seems as if your
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Speaker 1: world would stop? But not necessarily true? Right now the
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Speaker 1: stunning and shocking details in the disappearance a five year
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Speaker 1: old Lucas hernandez I. Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. Take a listen to this.
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Speaker 1: We're here sadly today to talk about a case really
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Speaker 1: that has captured the hearts of our community and very
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Speaker 1: sad case that has been pulling at our heartstrings since February.
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Speaker 1: That is the missing boy Lucas Hernandez. Also as some
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Speaker 1: of you know, uh Lucas's stepmother, Emily Glass and booked
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Speaker 1: into the Center of County Jail for felony obstruction of justice.
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Speaker 1: The body that was discovered in Harvey County was found
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Speaker 1: under a bridge in a culvert area near st. And
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Speaker 1: Wood Lawn just outside of Sedgwick County into Harvey County,
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Speaker 1: and we discovered that Emily Glass had actually taken private
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Speaker 1: investigator to that site. The private investigator had been hired
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Speaker 1: by Lucas's family. When the body was found, the investigator
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Speaker 1: called Witchtop Police Department to report the discovery and we
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Speaker 1: responded along with Harvey County authorities and when we arrived,
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Speaker 1: we found the private investigator and Emily Glass at the scene.
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Speaker 1: We interviewed the private investigator and got information that is
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Speaker 1: assisting us in our case. We discovered that he had
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Speaker 1: arrived earlier this week in Wichita and he told us
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Speaker 1: that Emily Glass had led him to the body. The
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Speaker 1: private investigator is named David marsha Burn of North Carolina,
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Speaker 1: and joining me right now, that private investigator, the p
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Speaker 1: I who discovered five year old Lucas's remains along with
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Speaker 1: his stepmother, Emily Glass, joining me right now, David Marshburn. David,
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Speaker 1: thank you so much for being with us. Thank you
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Speaker 1: for having me. David. I've got so many questions for
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Speaker 1: you about where's your practice, how did you get into
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Speaker 1: the practice, how long have you been in the practice.
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Speaker 1: But first I want to start with the discovery of
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Speaker 1: Lucas Hernandez. How did you get connected to Emily Glass?
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Speaker 1: To start with, That's Lucas's stepmother, the last person we
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Speaker 1: know of to see him alive. Before I went up there,
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Speaker 1: I pretty much had it in my head how I
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Speaker 1: was gonna do it, how I was gonna solve it,
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Speaker 1: Who did it? The whold on in yours? But like
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Speaker 1: I told you, Daddy, Johnathan Hernandez, I said, you're my suspect,
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Speaker 1: and she's my suspect. There's no other person. He told
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Speaker 1: me his his life was open book. And I asked him,
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Speaker 1: you know what did he think the trial was gonna
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Speaker 1: happen with her on trial? Was she gonna be not guilty? What?
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Speaker 1: What was what was the favorability of that, and he
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Speaker 1: said that he feels like she'll be not guilty, and
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Speaker 1: I told him, I said, either way, when I come
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Speaker 1: up there, I can interview her in the jail, but
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Speaker 1: it's gonna be harder, or I can interview her when
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Speaker 1: she's out. Luckily she was out, and ah, I decided
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Speaker 1: to go up there, and after talking to Mr Hernandez
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Speaker 1: for about thirty forty minutes, I knew right then he
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Speaker 1: had nothing to do with it. He might have known
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Speaker 1: about abuse and stuff or hard questions, questionable, doubt no,
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Speaker 1: but he never showed that to me. So my next
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Speaker 1: thing was I wanted Emily Glass. I wanted to see
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Speaker 1: her and I had to physically see her in person,
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Speaker 1: to see her body language and how she reacted. David Marshburn,
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Speaker 1: I got a question for you. Um, I've said that
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Speaker 1: so many times when investigating a trial that I would
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Speaker 1: be trying, I need to talk to them in person.
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Speaker 1: That's so important. Let me ask you a question. When
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Speaker 1: you first spoke to Lucas Hernandez Dad, his biological father,
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Speaker 1: who was out of town like two or three weeks
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Speaker 1: at a time working with an oil company when Lucas
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Speaker 1: went missing, how does you know after speaking with him
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Speaker 1: that he was not involved in Lucas's disappearance. It was
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Speaker 1: his leaner. He would look at me when I talked
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Speaker 1: to him. He would answer questions right away. He wouldn't
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Speaker 1: double asked like I'd ask the question. He'd repeat it
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Speaker 1: back to me to give him time to think about responding.
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Speaker 1: That was one big issue. And also he never crossed
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Speaker 1: his arms. He never kept his legs right together like
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Speaker 1: he was holding onto something. His body language told basically,
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Speaker 1: I'm open, I'm not trying to guard anything, and his
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Speaker 1: exact words were, if you I'm sticking by her, but
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Speaker 1: if you find otherwise, I'm done. You know, So when
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Speaker 1: you first saw her, what happened When I first went
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Speaker 1: up to her. I used one of my I used
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Speaker 1: this technique when I sold colors, and I turned it
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Speaker 1: into a investigation tool instead. What I did, yeah, I
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Speaker 1: used step three first because I didn't have much time.
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Speaker 1: I was out of state, twenty miles twenty hours away,
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Speaker 1: and basically I went at her as I know you
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Speaker 1: did it. I'm here, I can help you. What can
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Speaker 1: I do for you? Because most of the time, with
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Speaker 1: somebody commits a crime, it's not about what they did
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Speaker 1: and in her case, what she did to Lucas or anything.
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Speaker 1: What was her demeanor? Um? Cold, man, I was not
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Speaker 1: expecting that. Hold on just a moment, let me just
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Speaker 1: let me just take that in for a minute with me.
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Speaker 1: In addition to now renowned private investigator David marshburne who
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Speaker 1: actually leads police to missing five year old Lucas, Kim
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Speaker 1: Martin with Missing Pieces Network who has been on the
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Speaker 1: Lucas disappearance from the beginning, Ashley Wilcott, juvenile judge and lawyer,
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Speaker 1: founder of child crime watch dot com and Vincent Hild
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Speaker 1: private investigator Crime Aline reporter Lee Egan Ashley, I didn't
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Speaker 1: really know what to expect when I asked him, David
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Speaker 1: marshburn the question, what was Emily Glass is a stepma's demeanor?
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Speaker 1: But I didn't really think that was going to be
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Speaker 1: his answer. Cold, just cold? Isn't that something? So this
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Speaker 1: says a lot about where she is timing wise to write. So,
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Speaker 1: if someone commits a crime or has done something that
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Speaker 1: they shouldn't have or hurt a child, often initially defensive, defensive, defensive,
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Speaker 1: I didn't do anything, and they're not cold, and everything's fine.
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Speaker 1: And then as time goes on, and the remorse and
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Speaker 1: the guilt and all of those things start to eat
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Speaker 1: inside them. You can see their demeanor change. But I
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Speaker 1: will tell you this fancy and my experience, that demeanor
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Speaker 1: speaks volumes about her involvement in this. David marshbur And
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Speaker 1: go ahead. Said you sit down with her and you
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Speaker 1: say she's just cold. You said she was out not
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Speaker 1: behind bars at that time. Where did y'all mean? And
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Speaker 1: when you say she was cold, what do you mean
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Speaker 1: by that? Exactly? So I can get it in my mind.
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Speaker 1: We met her at her aunt's house, and when I
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Speaker 1: first approached her, she I reached out my hand to
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Speaker 1: shake her hand, but she wanted to hug me right there.
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Speaker 1: But no smile, no nothing. She wanted to just hug me,
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Speaker 1: And I felt like that was to say thank you,
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Speaker 1: you're gonna help me get out of trouble. It wasn't
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Speaker 1: anything else, because that's the way I set it up.
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Speaker 1: Before I even come up there, I told her I
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Speaker 1: wanted to sit down and talk with her. So she
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Speaker 1: kept her sunglasses on, kept her arms crossed. I didn't
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Speaker 1: say anything but sure answers and um. Basically, no emotion,
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Speaker 1: not one time. I was accusing her, and at first
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Speaker 1: she her head note but never said note. Then she um,
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Speaker 1: I had to revert back to step one, two and three.
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Speaker 1: I know it doesn't make sense to you guys, but
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Speaker 1: I can explain off the air how I did that.
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Speaker 1: But I had to go back to step one, two
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Speaker 1: and three. And then the next three hours after that,
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Speaker 1: still arms crossed, not saying nothing, not looking me in,
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Speaker 1: I keeping her sunglasses on, not crying. But when she
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Speaker 1: acts like she's crying, there's no tears. And when I
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Speaker 1: tell her in seven months they can issue a death
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Speaker 1: certificate and they're coming for you. That's the only time
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Speaker 1: she showed emotions. Only time. Wow, Kim Martin was missing
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Speaker 1: pieces of network. Are you surprised, if honestly staggering to
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Speaker 1: hear him say this? Um, I can't say that. I'm
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Speaker 1: very surprised because I've heard other people say that in
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Speaker 1: different situations. She's very unemotional about the whole thing, you know,
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Speaker 1: not like a parent of a missing child or a
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Speaker 1: step hearing of a missing child would usually act. But
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Speaker 1: to this extent that is surprising to me. So what
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Speaker 1: happened then, David Marshburn's well, by the time our conversation
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Speaker 1: was ended. I had enough to be able to go
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Speaker 1: to law enforcement, and they would have had enough two
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Speaker 1: pressure her enough and lock her up for the disappearance
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Speaker 1: of Lucas. And I couldn't do that to her or
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Speaker 1: do that to Lucas, because if they came at her
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Speaker 1: the wrong way, she would never have to give it up.
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Speaker 1: Never had. They could arrest her and they could lock
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Speaker 1: her up for it, but they would not be able
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Speaker 1: to Lucas. Was my main concern. That's all I was
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Speaker 1: there for. It wasn't what happened, how it happened. It
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Speaker 1: was Lucas. So she wanted to wait till the next day.
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Speaker 1: She had a lot to think about and digest. Is
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Speaker 1: her exact roots? So you actually told her that they
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Speaker 1: were going to come for her with a death warrant,
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Speaker 1: they would after seven months. I use other things in
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Speaker 1: other cases from other states to make a complete case.
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Speaker 1: I'll study Kansas's longs and basically that way, if anybody
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Speaker 1: ever you know, thanks on the line, I can look
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Speaker 1: it up right there in front of them and show
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Speaker 1: them on Google. Hey, after seven months, they can issue
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Speaker 1: a death certifically. Okay, how did you finally get her
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Speaker 1: David Marshburne to take you to Lucas's body. Well, the
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Speaker 1: thing about it is there there's a homeless guy involved
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Speaker 1: in this. And the homeless guy was sort of like
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Speaker 1: something after she out rid of Lucas too through law
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Speaker 1: enforcement off saying it was a homeless guy, and she
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Speaker 1: invited him into her home and spent the night in
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Speaker 1: her home and she while Jonathan was there, I asked
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Speaker 1: Jonathan to leave and go get in the truck so
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Speaker 1: I could talk to her alone. And at that time
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Speaker 1: I told her was their drugs involved? And she first
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Speaker 1: said no. And I said, look, Emily, if they do
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Speaker 1: a hair follical test on you and you did mess,
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Speaker 1: I promise you you're you're going to be in even
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Speaker 1: worse trouble. And she admitted she did mess. Now keep
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Speaker 1: in mind her little girl, Lucas was in the house.
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Speaker 1: Let me ask a question to private investigator Vincent Hill.
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Speaker 1: When you add in drugs to a scenario, that changes everything,
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Speaker 1: Because it's like Alice in Wonderland, everything you know is
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Speaker 1: upside down. People don't think or at the same way.
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Speaker 1: I mean, think about it. Who is gonna go when
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Speaker 1: you have children bring a homeless guy into your home
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Speaker 1: to spend the night. I mean, I go work at
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Speaker 1: a homeless center, I give money, I try to help,
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Speaker 1: but I'm not going to bring anybody I don't know
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Speaker 1: into the home where my twins are period Nancy. So
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Speaker 1: everything is topsy turvy once drugs are in the scenario
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Speaker 1: in the equation, Vincent, absolutely, especially when you're dealing with
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Speaker 1: the narcotic like meth amphetamine, which you know is very
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Speaker 1: addictive and very uh mine altering. And you know, it
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Speaker 1: actually makes me wonder if she didn't bring this guy
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Speaker 1: to the home to set him up later. You know,
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Speaker 1: his DNA would have been all over the house, his
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Speaker 1: fingerprints probably all over the house. He was unsuspecting of this,
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Speaker 1: but she could have came back and said, well he
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Speaker 1: did it. He's the one that took Lucas. And that's
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Speaker 1: a really good thought. Do you think that could be true,
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Speaker 1: David Marshburn, that she picks us some homeless guy, brings
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Speaker 1: him home to spend the night in her home so
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Speaker 1: she could blame him. That's exactly what she did. And
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Speaker 1: you know it gets better than that, because have they
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Speaker 1: found the homeless guy? Get this, they questioned him. He
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Speaker 1: never saw Lucas in the house, but just weeks later
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Speaker 1: he commits suicide. Holy moly, Nancy. Police have ruled that
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Speaker 1: the death of the homeless man was a hit and run.
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Speaker 1: Is that not a twist of in itself? But Emily
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Speaker 1: never knew and when she when she got out, she
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Speaker 1: still did not notice. So that played in my favor
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Speaker 1: for her not to notice, so she was planning to
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Speaker 1: blame him. Man, this could not have more twist. Guys
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Speaker 1: with me the private investigator David Marshburne who actually locates
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Speaker 1: little Lucas her Nandez's body. In our next episode, you'll
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Speaker 1: write along with private investigator David Marshburne as Lucas's stepmom
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Speaker 1: Emily Glass leads him to where she hid the child's body.
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Speaker 1: I did. That's in the next Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: must understand that police are bound by certain rules of procedure.
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Speaker 1: And joining me right now, the man, the private investigator
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Speaker 1: who actually discovered little Lucas's body, lad there. Somehow like
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Speaker 1: a snake charmer. He gets the stepmother, Emily Glass to
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Speaker 1: lead him to Lucas's remains. Also with me, Crime Online
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Speaker 1: reporter Lee Egan, Vincent Hill, private investigator Ashley Willcott, juvenile
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Speaker 1: judge and founder of child Crime watch dot com, Kim
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Speaker 1: Martin with Missing Pieces Network. He's been on the case
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Speaker 1: from the beginning. Guys, I know all I have questions
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Speaker 1: for David Marshburn, all right. I have been wanted to
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Speaker 1: talk to him since I found out he existed. David Marshburn,
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Speaker 1: We're gonna circle back to Emily Glass and how you
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Speaker 1: carried her to the location and what she was saying
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Speaker 1: in the card. I want to hear every single detail,
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Speaker 1: but right now I want to hear about the discovery
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Speaker 1: of little Lucas. I feel like we have been looking
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Speaker 1: for him and thinking about him and praying for him
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Speaker 1: for so long. Well, we couldn't exactly get to the
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Speaker 1: exact location. Excuse me. When you go from winter the summer,
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Speaker 1: things changed that the landscape is different. So it took
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Speaker 1: us about four hours or so to ride around down
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Speaker 1: each dirt path, and you know, for her to say
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Speaker 1: she gave us little clues here and there, and a
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Speaker 1: lot of times people that have done a crime like
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Speaker 1: this they remember, they just don't want to tell you
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Speaker 1: exactly because it even makes them feel even worse. So
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Speaker 1: we wound up. I'm getting ticked off at the point.
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Speaker 1: So basically I said, we're gonna start every bridge right
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Speaker 1: here and then go down the line. I pull up,
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Speaker 1: I get out the very first bridge I get to,
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Speaker 1: i'd lay down on the ground and I peep my
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Speaker 1: head underneath, and there I see the top of Lucas's head,
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Speaker 1: and then I see all these branches all on top,
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Speaker 1: and I'm like, I hope this is what I think
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Speaker 1: it is, so it will be over. I get up
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Speaker 1: and I go down to the bridge, and already to crime,
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Speaker 1: the crime scenes washed away. There's nothing there except for
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Speaker 1: him and what's near him, on top of him and all.
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Speaker 1: So I didn't touch anything like that. But I went
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Speaker 1: down and I was then a foot from and and
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Speaker 1: I was looking to make sure it was what I
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Speaker 1: thought it was. And sure enough, So let me understand,
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Speaker 1: it's Lucas's body. The five year old little boy's body
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Speaker 1: was under a bridge. It is it's um. It's underneath
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Speaker 1: the bridge, just laying there exactly the way she described
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Speaker 1: She put him was closed. There was there was clothes
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Speaker 1: on him. What went through your mind when you saw
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Speaker 1: his remains there? Well, this case, since it was only
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Speaker 1: you know, eleven hours into it, I didn't have much
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Speaker 1: time into it, so my heart wasn't attached to the
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Speaker 1: family and Lucas like it normally is in a case
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Speaker 1: that last a year or two. I've I've come up
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Speaker 1: on several bodies in the past six years i've been
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Speaker 1: doing this. You know, we have discovered five bodies. We've
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Speaker 1: done We've closed several cases, but some of them were
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Speaker 1: without it and by it only being an eleven eleven
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Speaker 1: hours into it, and there was not a lot there
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Speaker 1: For me too, it wasn't it was badly decomposed. So
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Speaker 1: basically it was a feeling of relief that we could
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Speaker 1: do it this quickly for the daddy. I was thinking
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Speaker 1: more about the town and the daddy and the great
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Speaker 1: grandmother and everyone, but Emily. I could kid too. Excuse
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Speaker 1: me about Emily, Well, was she with you at the
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Speaker 1: moment you saw his body? She stayed in the car.
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Speaker 1: And then when I finally realized it was him, I
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Speaker 1: was calling law enforcement to let him know where I'm at.
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Speaker 1: And then I got my partner, Marsha Ward, and told her,
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Speaker 1: how about going down there? See if you see what
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Speaker 1: I said, it might be him. But I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I'm playing it off so Emily, basically I'm watching what
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Speaker 1: she's doing. Um, I don't have what she did to him,
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Speaker 1: so at least what I would get is her emotion.
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Speaker 1: So if I had to testify, I could tell them
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Speaker 1: what I saw and what went on. So Marcia goes
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Speaker 1: down there, comes back up. She agrees. Then Emily says, uh,
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Speaker 1: you know, I don't think this is it. That's that's
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Speaker 1: not him. And finally I told her, I said, Emily,
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Speaker 1: it's him, all right? Nothing, no cry, no nothing. And
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Speaker 1: then a few seconds later, she has a tissue up
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Speaker 1: to her face. I thought, a whole box of tissues. Okay,
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Speaker 1: She pulled one tissue out of the whole big box
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Speaker 1: and that's all she used the whole time we were there.
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Speaker 1: One tissue, wow, and that was just to get her
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Speaker 1: nose clean, not to wipe away those teas because there
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Speaker 1: wasn't it. When you came and told her that you
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Speaker 1: found him as she waited in the car, what did
24:24
Speaker 1: she say? She made the statement, and of course I
24:29
Speaker 1: recorded it. She made the statement, I did Lucas so wrong,
24:37
Speaker 1: and every one of those statements are going to be
24:40
Speaker 1: so significant at trial with me Crime Online investigative reporter
24:47
Speaker 1: Lee Egan, Lee, what's your question for David? David? How
24:50
Speaker 1: long did it take you? You said you spoke to
24:52
Speaker 1: for hours and she had to sleep on it. Um.
24:55
Speaker 1: How long was it afterwards that she was up and
24:58
Speaker 1: ready and willing to take you to find Lucas? And
25:03
Speaker 1: was it right away or did you have to kind
25:04
Speaker 1: of convent convent her again? I text her around eleven
25:11
Speaker 1: thirty and told her, Hey, are you up or you
25:16
Speaker 1: are you ready? Because we're chomping at the bit. We
25:19
Speaker 1: have been out till four in the morning that morning
25:22
Speaker 1: with one of the local search groups to get an
25:26
Speaker 1: idea of the layout of the land out there. So
25:29
Speaker 1: that way, when she when we were riding her around.
25:33
Speaker 1: We didn't know she was gonna come out and tell us,
25:36
Speaker 1: uh the next day. We thought it might be a
25:38
Speaker 1: little more coaching, So we were going to ride around
25:40
Speaker 1: in the areas where valuable information came in about her
25:46
Speaker 1: phone information. So we were going to ride around in
25:51
Speaker 1: that same area to see what her body language was
25:55
Speaker 1: and see if she would be looking so that way,
25:58
Speaker 1: if she didn't tell us, we could ask finding based
26:00
Speaker 1: on for that. So I had a backup plan of
26:03
Speaker 1: a backup plan. Okay, hold on, let me let me
26:05
Speaker 1: ask something. Right there, David Marshburne is with us, the
26:09
Speaker 1: private investigator who actually somehow convinces little Lucas's stepmother to
26:17
Speaker 1: go out looking for the child. They find Little Lucas's
26:22
Speaker 1: dead body washed away kind of under a bridge, David
26:28
Speaker 1: marshburn David, you were just describing how you're going to
26:32
Speaker 1: use her phone records against her, in a sense that
26:36
Speaker 1: you were saying, let's go drive around where your phone was.
26:39
Speaker 1: What did you know of her phone records when you
26:42
Speaker 1: took her out driving around? I knew that she had
26:45
Speaker 1: gone down Norwood, and within fifty eight minutes she went
26:50
Speaker 1: down Norwood and then in Norwood turns from pavement the
26:56
Speaker 1: gravel and then she came back on Oliver which comes
27:01
Speaker 1: from gravel to pay, did a whole big circle and
27:06
Speaker 1: in fifty eight minutes, within two minutes, two minutes of that,
27:11
Speaker 1: her car sat steel. So that's that's where I'm thinking, Okay,
27:17
Speaker 1: that's where she's dropping off Lucas. So that that's the case.
27:20
Speaker 1: She didn't bury him. He's gonna top the ground, but
27:24
Speaker 1: he's hidden. And as I got talking to her, what
27:29
Speaker 1: was she admitted? Because when when we stopped at her
27:32
Speaker 1: house that morning. The next morning, she got in the car,
27:36
Speaker 1: and when I got to the convenience store, which is
27:39
Speaker 1: only two minutes from the house, that's when she said.
27:43
Speaker 1: She actually came out of her mouth and said, I
27:48
Speaker 1: went in his room and he was dead. And at
27:52
Speaker 1: that point in time, you know, I'm just like wow.
27:58
Speaker 1: I didn't expect it to pop out that quickly. So
28:01
Speaker 1: I knew I had her by everything. I knew it
28:05
Speaker 1: didn't matter. We're not stopping. This is it. She's going
28:07
Speaker 1: to give it, give it up. But when we get
28:09
Speaker 1: out there, it just takes hours and hours of riding
28:13
Speaker 1: and riding a matter of fact, we we went right
28:16
Speaker 1: over Lucas probably thirty times. WHOA, so you go over
28:21
Speaker 1: what do you mean go over Lucas By bridge or
28:23
Speaker 1: what over? But what do you mean by the bridge?
28:27
Speaker 1: We had? At first we had Emily. We figured, you know,
28:31
Speaker 1: Emily was describing she she took him and put him
28:36
Speaker 1: under a bridge, and I'm like it at north south,
28:40
Speaker 1: like going down nord Wood or coming back down Oliver
28:45
Speaker 1: and wait, let me understand something. So, David Marshburn, right
28:49
Speaker 1: at this point, you're acting like you're going along with
28:52
Speaker 1: her story that she went in his room and he
28:54
Speaker 1: was just dead. So she goes and throws his body
28:56
Speaker 1: under a bridge. So to get her to tell you
28:59
Speaker 1: where he was, You're like, oh, okay, is that how
29:01
Speaker 1: you played it? Is that how you acted? You didn't
29:03
Speaker 1: go that didn't happen? You said, no, No, I play
29:07
Speaker 1: it all the way. I play everything to the way
29:11
Speaker 1: of uh. Basically, I told her that what I felt
29:17
Speaker 1: like she was guilty of was considering a death and
29:20
Speaker 1: consuering the death in Kansas is eighteen months probation, and
29:26
Speaker 1: you know I gave her an out. It's what I did.
29:29
Speaker 1: You know, I told you the three steps I do well.
29:32
Speaker 1: Basically in those three steps, I gave her an out,
29:34
Speaker 1: and it was an out that was not too good
29:38
Speaker 1: to be true, but it was about that someone is
29:41
Speaker 1: committed murder, that has killed this little boy can believe
29:47
Speaker 1: in her mind. You have to you have to read
29:49
Speaker 1: these people. You have to get into their psyche. And
29:51
Speaker 1: if you don't and you read them wrong, you're done.
29:56
Speaker 1: So you go over his body thirty times, back in
30:00
Speaker 1: forth and back and forth at least looking and she
30:03
Speaker 1: what had described a road that she had gone down,
30:08
Speaker 1: and you were looking for that, you know, when you
30:10
Speaker 1: kept going over that bridge, she knew he was down
30:12
Speaker 1: there right. Well, no, I mean she's she's describing. She's
30:17
Speaker 1: given us bits and pieces, and basically we had to
30:21
Speaker 1: take those bits and pieces and put together like a
30:24
Speaker 1: puzzle and and trying. There was only like seven roads,
30:29
Speaker 1: short roads like two miles long, that go east to west,
30:34
Speaker 1: because I said, did it go north south or did
30:36
Speaker 1: it go east west? And she sat in between Norwood
30:40
Speaker 1: or webb Web Road and Oliver Road, so that's about
30:44
Speaker 1: a two two miles stretch in between. So there's only
30:49
Speaker 1: seven roads that are in between. They that are dirt paths.
30:55
Speaker 1: So we know we had seven roads, and we had
30:57
Speaker 1: every bridge on those roads that we will we were
31:00
Speaker 1: gonna have to check. M hm. So when you see
31:05
Speaker 1: what you believe is the top of his head, he's
31:07
Speaker 1: under bridge. Do you believe she thought his body would
31:11
Speaker 1: wash away in the water. But the greatest thing of
31:16
Speaker 1: it is, you know it had a washout pan before
31:23
Speaker 1: it and had one of these diverters, so when the
31:25
Speaker 1: water hit hard, it wouldn't go through there fast at all.
31:30
Speaker 1: And and if she didn't know what it was, she
31:32
Speaker 1: wouldn't have put him there, because it protected him. And
31:36
Speaker 1: by her putting him out there in the open like
31:39
Speaker 1: she did, the cold air that they had, that bad
31:43
Speaker 1: cold spell they had at that time kind of mummified
31:48
Speaker 1: it kept and preserved. And I believe it's preserved evidence,
31:54
Speaker 1: which is great because I thought there was gonna be
31:56
Speaker 1: no evidence. Guys, we are we are talking about the
32:00
Speaker 1: body of a five year old little boy, Lucas Hernandez.
32:05
Speaker 1: When you get back in the car and you tell her,
32:10
Speaker 1: Emily Glass, the stepmother, that you see his body, you said,
32:15
Speaker 1: there was very little reaction. What did she finally say?
32:21
Speaker 1: What were her words? She made the comment, I did
32:24
Speaker 1: Lucas so wrong? After that, it was about what's going
32:30
Speaker 1: to happen to her, And that right there tells me
32:35
Speaker 1: you don't get two craps about your stepson. You put
32:40
Speaker 1: under his bridge, you abused and you killed. All you
32:43
Speaker 1: care about is what's going to happen. Did she ever
32:46
Speaker 1: want to see the body or go retrieve the body
32:49
Speaker 1: or get him out from under the bridge. No? No,
32:52
Speaker 1: she did get out of the truck. And she got
32:58
Speaker 1: out of the truck and I said, look, I don't
33:00
Speaker 1: I don't need you to go over here near the side.
33:03
Speaker 1: She said, I'm not, and she hugged me like she
33:08
Speaker 1: wanted consoling. And when she did, my partner took a
33:13
Speaker 1: picture of it. And you can see me glaring right
33:16
Speaker 1: at that camera because I'm not sympathetic towards her at all.
33:22
Speaker 1: And she took a picture of us, and she's hugging
33:25
Speaker 1: and trying to cry and can't cry. Have one tissue.
33:30
Speaker 1: I have a box of five and didn't use but one.
33:34
Speaker 1: I mean, if my child where somebody I loved body
33:39
Speaker 1: was there, I would run to it somehow get to it.
33:44
Speaker 1: I don't know why, but I would just thinking of
33:49
Speaker 1: her using that one tissue. In the last hours, a
33:55
Speaker 1: vigil has been held a vigil with search groups and
34:01
Speaker 1: family members remembering Lucas Hernandez a beautiful little boy. Thanks
34:11
Speaker 1: to this p I with us David Marshburne, we now
34:15
Speaker 1: have Lucas's body. Listen that day, when I found out
34:19
Speaker 1: about baby Lucas coming up missing, I went home and
34:22
Speaker 1: I hugged off five with my kids because I can't
34:26
Speaker 1: imagine my life without my kill. They're under they are
34:29
Speaker 1: what made me happy. They I mean, just so. I
34:33
Speaker 1: hugged him and kissed them and I did not let go.
34:36
Speaker 1: You know, I just feel helpless. All these stories I've
34:39
Speaker 1: been hearing for months about him possibly being abused, to
34:42
Speaker 1: the investigated and had a frantic interview and all that
34:46
Speaker 1: kind of stuff and sent them. I guess the police
34:48
Speaker 1: didn't think they were gonna have evidence. When I first
34:50
Speaker 1: found out he was missing, I um was suspicious and
34:55
Speaker 1: then worried. Evidence of bruises, evidence of previous bouts with
35:01
Speaker 1: child abuse. What was life like for this five year
35:05
Speaker 1: old little boy trapped in the home with Emily Glass's stepmother,
35:09
Speaker 1: the last one to see him alive. We have reports
35:13
Speaker 1: that before Lucas goes missing, she takes her own biological
35:18
Speaker 1: daughter out for a big lunch at olive garden, smokes
35:23
Speaker 1: three quote bowls of marijuana and leaves Lucas at home alone,
35:28
Speaker 1: hungry and staring out the window. Now that child's body found,
35:34
Speaker 1: you heard the aunt raising concerns that the child had
35:37
Speaker 1: been beaten and abused in the past while the father
35:39
Speaker 1: would be out of town. How much did he know?
35:42
Speaker 1: Did he turn the other way and ignored the abuse
35:46
Speaker 1: on his own child? With me? David marshburn the probably
35:49
Speaker 1: an investigator who managed to find Lucas her nandez remains,
35:56
Speaker 1: Kim Martin with Missing Pieces Network, Ashley Wilcott, juvenile Joe
36:00
Speaker 1: Us and founder of child crime watch dot com. Vincent Hill,
36:03
Speaker 1: private investigator and crime online investigative reporter Lee Egan. David
36:08
Speaker 1: marshburne You said that after you spot the body, through
36:14
Speaker 1: trickery and persuasive conversation, you get her to show you
36:20
Speaker 1: where his body is. And it took hours going down
36:23
Speaker 1: this road that road, until finally you get out and
36:27
Speaker 1: you spot what you think is the top of little
36:29
Speaker 1: Lucas's head. What shape is his body in? Now? He
36:37
Speaker 1: was badly decomposed when I when when I saw him,
36:45
Speaker 1: when I laid down and looked under the bridge. When
36:49
Speaker 1: I saw him, you couldn't tell it was my body.
36:54
Speaker 1: It was hard, but I know when I saw the
36:57
Speaker 1: top of his head, it looked like the top of
37:01
Speaker 1: his head. But you know, you have to make sure,
37:03
Speaker 1: so I want to get down and get closer. And
37:07
Speaker 1: I know that sounds sick, but you want to make
37:09
Speaker 1: sure you don't miss it. But other than that, you
37:12
Speaker 1: couldn't really see a whole lot until you do get
37:15
Speaker 1: down in there. You have to get down in and
37:18
Speaker 1: buy them. And there's still some water down in there.
37:21
Speaker 1: A good thing for that barrier. It flows the water
37:24
Speaker 1: down instead of making it letting it rest for it.
37:27
Speaker 1: When you say you thought you saw the top of
37:29
Speaker 1: his head, could you see his hair? I did, and
37:35
Speaker 1: you couldn't really tell. Was the rest of his body
37:37
Speaker 1: under sand or debris? And it was all under debris.
37:42
Speaker 1: And and see his hair was was bleached white, so
37:46
Speaker 1: it didn't look like dark here, So it was kind
37:50
Speaker 1: of hard. Why was his hair bleached white? In where
37:55
Speaker 1: he was? The sunlight could get through between the trees
37:59
Speaker 1: straight to the bridge. If anybody cut the grass over
38:04
Speaker 1: there in the pasture, they could have very easily looked
38:08
Speaker 1: over and saw it. When you get down there and
38:11
Speaker 1: go through the water what there is of it, and
38:14
Speaker 1: you see his body and realize you're right, that's Lucas.
38:18
Speaker 1: What went through your mind? I mean, it's kind of
38:22
Speaker 1: a shocking pint deal. It's it's kind of it's kind
38:28
Speaker 1: of like you get in the zone and you're in
38:30
Speaker 1: a tunnel and and you just you just don't. The
38:35
Speaker 1: only thing you know what to do is called law enforcement.
38:37
Speaker 1: Get him there and basically get her away from us.
38:42
Speaker 1: Because my partner was starting to feel strong emotions because
38:46
Speaker 1: she has a five year old nephew. My own emotions
38:51
Speaker 1: were coming, and they came after she was out of
38:54
Speaker 1: my vehicle and out of my side. I've realized what
38:57
Speaker 1: we had accomplished and done, which it sounds weird because
39:02
Speaker 1: that's what I was supposed to do, But when you
39:04
Speaker 1: actually do it, it's like wow. You know, it probably
39:08
Speaker 1: felt surreal when you were climbing back up that side
39:12
Speaker 1: of that. I want the I guess you call it
39:16
Speaker 1: a river or creek and you see her and you
39:19
Speaker 1: locked eyes with her. What expression did she have the
39:22
Speaker 1: same expression she's had the whole time, cold and cowish,
39:26
Speaker 1: No no emotion. I mean, it was just like staring
39:30
Speaker 1: at a photo copy of her face as as in
39:34
Speaker 1: her mud shot. That's how that's her demeanor, the whole
39:38
Speaker 1: entire type. Kim Martin was missing pieces of network. What's
39:42
Speaker 1: your question, David read a lot of speculation and I
39:46
Speaker 1: knew it. It's been a lot of questions question on
39:49
Speaker 1: everyone's mind. Do you think that was the original place
39:53
Speaker 1: that he was that she put him or do you
39:55
Speaker 1: think the body was moved? It was the original place?
39:59
Speaker 1: It matched is up the timeline. She never veered off
40:04
Speaker 1: of anything far as the the little clues she gave.
40:08
Speaker 1: And when you look at his his where his body
40:12
Speaker 1: was the water, his head was towards where the water
40:17
Speaker 1: comes into the bridge. So if there was heavy rains
40:21
Speaker 1: and stuff, we know he didn't move because everything was
40:25
Speaker 1: still in Everything was still in a in a I
40:33
Speaker 1: sayd sigh in a direction just like if I I
40:37
Speaker 1: go in my mind and I pictured did he move
40:40
Speaker 1: or anything? And basically the way she described it, that's
40:46
Speaker 1: the way his remains were when when they were there,
40:50
Speaker 1: it never moved, water didn't move in David Marshburn, did
40:53
Speaker 1: you ever glean from her or figure out in any
40:57
Speaker 1: way what really happened to Luca. How was he killed? Oh?
41:02
Speaker 1: I know, I know how. I've got my own opinion,
41:05
Speaker 1: and I will I'll share that. It's just my opinion.
41:11
Speaker 1: But see, she had two other boys with another another man,
41:15
Speaker 1: and I think she resented Lucas because of she couldn't
41:20
Speaker 1: have her own boys, and she resented the fact that
41:24
Speaker 1: the man she's with now has Lucas. And she resented
41:29
Speaker 1: Lucas's mother. And I think when she got irritated, when
41:34
Speaker 1: she started thinking about it, she just abused him. She
41:38
Speaker 1: took it out on him because of her failures. And
41:42
Speaker 1: that's why, I mean, oh god, h Now I started
41:47
Speaker 1: getting passionate. What does the father have to say about
41:51
Speaker 1: all this? He didn't know what to do. He said, Man,
41:53
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm a faint. Oh my god,
41:57
Speaker 1: are you sure you found Lucas. I said, we found Lucas.
42:01
Speaker 1: I think you need to come home. And I told
42:04
Speaker 1: law enforcement that I contacted Daddy and told him we
42:07
Speaker 1: found him, because that's my job. That's what he hired
42:11
Speaker 1: me to do, that's what he paid the expenses for
42:13
Speaker 1: us to go out there and do it. And I
42:15
Speaker 1: did what I told him I would do, and I
42:18
Speaker 1: felt like it was my responsibility and and my call
42:22
Speaker 1: to to him to tell him we found his son.
42:26
Speaker 1: And what was his response? Oh, he broke down. It
42:29
Speaker 1: was unbelievable. Uh. And I didn't want to hear that
42:34
Speaker 1: or or or I have to do that, but it
42:38
Speaker 1: had to be done. And he didn't know that. He said,
42:42
Speaker 1: I gotta sit down. I just got the word, um,
42:47
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm faint, And then I was sudden.
42:50
Speaker 1: I mean, it's this air between us. And I said,
42:52
Speaker 1: are you gonna be okay? Are you gonna need somebody?
42:56
Speaker 1: And he said no, I I got to talk to
42:59
Speaker 1: my boss and I've got to come back home mother.
43:02
Speaker 1: And you know, he's just all over the place. That's
43:04
Speaker 1: about how he was talking. And I can understand that,
43:08
Speaker 1: and I think it hit him like a son of bridge.
43:10
Speaker 1: I think he knew as in guessing like I did.
43:16
Speaker 1: I pretty much for several conversations with him, I prepared
43:22
Speaker 1: him for It's Emily. It's Emily is Emily, and Emily
43:28
Speaker 1: is cannabin as. She is try to get him to
43:32
Speaker 1: think it was his his uh ex wife or Lucas's
43:39
Speaker 1: biological mother. She is very slick and conniving. I'm very
43:45
Speaker 1: curious does he feel any responsibility at all. I know
43:51
Speaker 1: he was out of town when Lucas was killed. But
43:54
Speaker 1: many people argue that Lucas had been being abused by
43:58
Speaker 1: his living girlfriend and for a long time he'd have bruises.
44:03
Speaker 1: He'd tell people how mean she was to him, but
44:07
Speaker 1: he left her there with him. Well, like I faish,
44:11
Speaker 1: he's cannabin and she's made up stories over and over
44:16
Speaker 1: and over again. She probably never did it in front
44:18
Speaker 1: of him, and only that and if he if he
44:22
Speaker 1: would think back, every time you were out of town
44:26
Speaker 1: Lucas got hurt. It was never when you were around,
44:30
Speaker 1: Lucas was injured. And I asked him about that. He said,
44:34
Speaker 1: you know, you're right. He never got injured when he
44:39
Speaker 1: was around, but when he went away he would be injured.
44:45
Speaker 1: So she had him smoothed. You know what. Ashley Willcott,
44:50
Speaker 1: juvenile judge and founder of child crime watch dot com
44:55
Speaker 1: Ashley my head wants to blame the dad for leaving
45:02
Speaker 1: her there with him and now he's dead. But the
45:05
Speaker 1: reality is, when you're in a relationship, you don't want
45:08
Speaker 1: to see the bad thing about the other person. You
45:11
Speaker 1: don't want to know. For instance, when guys run around
45:13
Speaker 1: on their wives or vice versa. You'll think up every
45:16
Speaker 1: excuse theory is rather than what you are seeing in
45:19
Speaker 1: front of your eyes with children, you don't want to
45:22
Speaker 1: believe that the person you love would do such a
45:24
Speaker 1: horrible thing. He didn't want to believe it, Ashley. I
45:28
Speaker 1: see it over and over and over again. And here's
45:30
Speaker 1: what frustrates me. And I tell everybody, and I'll tell anybody,
45:33
Speaker 1: trust your gut. So even if you're in denial, even
45:36
Speaker 1: if you don't want to believe it, if your gut
45:38
Speaker 1: is there's a problem, there might be a problem, don't
45:40
Speaker 1: leave your children with that person. The other thing I
45:43
Speaker 1: want to add, Nancy, is it's so common and statistically
45:47
Speaker 1: true that often someone who abuses or neglects the child
45:52
Speaker 1: picks a target child. And that's exactly what this mother
45:55
Speaker 1: did in this case. And the p I has already
45:57
Speaker 1: talked about it and talked about perhaps why, but this
46:00
Speaker 1: was her target child that she chose to target, to abuse,
46:04
Speaker 1: to beat, to kill. Kim Martin Missing Pieces Network, who
46:07
Speaker 1: has been looking for Lucas since the very beginning, Kim Martin,
46:11
Speaker 1: what are your questions and thoughts? We all knew this
46:14
Speaker 1: was going to happen. We all knew he was going
46:16
Speaker 1: to be found. I guess it just you know, you
46:20
Speaker 1: lived the day in, day out for three months and
46:23
Speaker 1: it's just odd to have it. I don't know, I
46:25
Speaker 1: can't explain the emotions. Um, David, I don't know if
46:28
Speaker 1: you can answer this. Don't want to jeopard as the investigation.
46:31
Speaker 1: But do you think she had any help meeting the body? No?
46:38
Speaker 1: It was I mean I did find that out. I
46:42
Speaker 1: asked her and no, she she didn't. Um, I'm pretty positive,
46:51
Speaker 1: real positive, she did not have any hip. Lee Egan,
46:54
Speaker 1: Crime Online investigative reporter, what's your question line? This is
46:57
Speaker 1: my question. Um. When we started reporting this, what we
47:00
Speaker 1: heard from the beginning from Emily was that she took
47:04
Speaker 1: a nap at three TM on February sevent When she
47:08
Speaker 1: woke up a few hours later, Lucas was gone. Now
47:11
Speaker 1: is she now saying that when she woke up the
47:15
Speaker 1: morning of February seventeenth, that he was already dead. That
47:18
Speaker 1: that that's what she told us, and the records of
47:22
Speaker 1: her phone showed in broad daylight that's when she took him.
47:28
Speaker 1: And you know, when I'm asking her questions and I
47:31
Speaker 1: talked about you know how was Lucas and stuff? When
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Speaker 1: she tells me the things she tells me, that means
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Speaker 1: she did this sometime that day, like that's when he
47:45
Speaker 1: did pass and that's when she did take him out.
47:50
Speaker 1: So she took him out in broad daylight and got
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Speaker 1: rid of him like she was just taking out the
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Speaker 1: trash with me. Is a man who somehow convinced stepmother
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Speaker 1: Emily Glass to divulge the location a five year old
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Speaker 1: Lucas's remains. David Marshburne, who I am sure will be
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Speaker 1: a witness at trial. David, do you expect this to
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Speaker 1: be a death penalty case? What do you think will
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Speaker 1: happen now? Well, it's hard to say because I have
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Speaker 1: been told by a someone in the media, how did
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Speaker 1: I feel about Kansas's long you know, parents or killing
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Speaker 1: a child in the state of Kansas. And I said,
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Speaker 1: I don't know what's talking about. How I don't know
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Speaker 1: the laws around there, and I don't know what the
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Speaker 1: penalties and they told me, and I nunless it's true.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you just hear things. But what when she
48:57
Speaker 1: told me this, I should have looked it up and
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Speaker 1: studied it. It It sounds too hard to believe. She said,
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Speaker 1: only seven years is what your max is for killing
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Speaker 1: a child? Wow? Who said that? Media that called me
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Speaker 1: and wanted to do an interview. Well, here's the thing,
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Speaker 1: David Marshburne. If it's a voluntary manslaughter or involuntary then
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Speaker 1: maybe she might proll out on that. But if it's
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Speaker 1: murder one, which I think it will be based on
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Speaker 1: the record of child abuse. I mean, when you don't
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Speaker 1: know a horse, look at his track record. This was
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Speaker 1: no accident. How he died would beat my my argument
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Speaker 1: to a jury. And if the child had died by accident,
49:45
Speaker 1: then why not call nine one one and have them
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Speaker 1: come and try to save him or at least give
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Speaker 1: him a regular burial. So everything to me points to
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Speaker 1: in intentional murder. Premeditation only takes a moment. A moment
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Speaker 1: and the time it takes you to raise the gun
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Speaker 1: and pull the trigger, that's enough time for premeditation. If
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Speaker 1: she beat this child until he died or killed him
50:08
Speaker 1: in some other manner, then that's murder. And I'm guessing
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Speaker 1: that they're waiting to get all the toxicology and all
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Speaker 1: the autopsy reports back, so maybe they can determine a
50:22
Speaker 1: cause of death on the child. If if it's gonna
50:27
Speaker 1: be a first degree murder, her best chance, and I
50:34
Speaker 1: feel when the autopsic comes back, the best thing for
50:37
Speaker 1: her to do is plea and just live out the
50:39
Speaker 1: rest of her life behind them ballers. That's what she
50:43
Speaker 1: needs to do, because if she goes in front of
50:46
Speaker 1: the jury, you're dealing with a kid. And I know
50:49
Speaker 1: it only takes one juror to say, you know, no
50:53
Speaker 1: for the death penalty, But I don't see how twelve
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Speaker 1: jurors with this case the way it is and what
50:58
Speaker 1: I do know about the how they will not say definitely,
51:04
Speaker 1: after she realizes you find the body, you've got Lucas's
51:10
Speaker 1: five year old Lucas's body, Did she ever give any
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Speaker 1: explanation as to how he died? Her explanation is she
51:16
Speaker 1: just found in that way child. You just don't find
51:20
Speaker 1: a child that way. No, David. Her statement that she
51:24
Speaker 1: gave to me in his condition, um no, that does
51:30
Speaker 1: not even match. See, when people don't know a lot
51:32
Speaker 1: about how a human body does when it is deceased,
51:37
Speaker 1: she already screwed up. Was he, David Marshburn, Was he
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Speaker 1: totally skeletonized or was there any soft tissue left? I
51:44
Speaker 1: say there was a lot there enough that it's uh.
51:51
Speaker 1: I don't want to sound gruesome, you know what. I
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Speaker 1: hate to even I hate to even talk about the
51:57
Speaker 1: tissue remains of this child, Alan do. What is the
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Speaker 1: tip line in case anyone saw something that day that
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Speaker 1: Guys with me is David Marshburne, the private eye who
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Speaker 1: managed to find Lucas Hernandez's remains after months of searching.
52:32
Speaker 1: And we wait as justice and folds. Happy birthday, Dear,
52:38
Speaker 1: Happy birthday to you. Blot your candle. Good job, but
52:44
Speaker 1: you're five years old Tomorrow, Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off,
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Speaker 1: goodbye friend. Since we posted this episode Wednesday, there was
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Speaker 1: another major announcement in the Lucas Nanda's case, after WHICHITAD
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Speaker 1: detectives met with prosecutors Wednesday afternoon. Sedgwick County, Kansas District
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Speaker 1: Attorney Mark Bennett announced there would be no charges against
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Speaker 1: Emily Glass until they see the full results of the
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Speaker 1: autopsy and follow up on new investigative leads. In fact,
53:16
Speaker 1: the obstruction charge filed against Glass hours after she led
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Speaker 1: marshburn to Lucas's body has now been dropped and she
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Speaker 1: was released from jail. In our next episode, you'll ride
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Speaker 1: along with private investigator David Marshburne as Lucas's stepmom Emily
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