Latest / The Front / ‘A spit in the face’: surrogate kids rewrite the rules
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- 0:03Speaker 1: From The Australian, here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey.
- 0:06Speaker 1: It's Wednesday, September 2, 2026. Every kid wants to know
- 0:14Speaker 1: they were wanted. Children born to surrogate mothers know that
- 0:18Speaker 1: for sure. But they also have very strong opinions about
- 0:21Speaker 1: the strict laws governing surrogacy in Australia. And some of
- 0:25Speaker 1: their thoughts might surprise you. Today, inside these very modern families.
- 0:31Speaker 2: I have a good story to tell whenever people ask
- 0:39Speaker 2: how I was born. I was the opposite of an
- 0:42Speaker 2: accidental pregnancy, so I feel very wanted.
- 0:46Speaker 3: I also think it shows that there are lots of
- 0:48Speaker 3: different ways to make a family and that all of
- 0:50Speaker 3: them can be full of love.
- 0:55Speaker 1: These are submissions made by children born through surrogacy to
- 0:59Speaker 1: a review by the Australian Law Reform Commission. They're being
- 1:03Speaker 1: read by voice actors. Surrogacy is legal in Australia, but
- 1:08Speaker 1: very few families are using it. And that's because here,
- 1:12Speaker 1: women are only allowed to carry a baby for hopeful
- 1:15Speaker 1: parents if the choice is, quote, altruistic and there are
- 1:20Speaker 1: no commercial considerations.
- 1:24Speaker 3: They're not just giving their body, they're giving their time,
- 1:27Speaker 3: going to doctor's appointments, missing work and going through a lot.
- 1:32Speaker 3: They're helping people to have a family and that's a
- 1:34Speaker 3: big deal and of course they should be paid for that.
- 1:38Speaker 4: A donor and certainly not the surrogate are not the parents.
- 1:43Speaker 5: Do not let the surrogate have the option to keep
- 1:46Speaker 5: the baby when they are born. It's such a letdown
- 1:49Speaker 5: for the family and mainly because it is their baby
- 1:53Speaker 5: and not the surrogate's.
- 2:01Speaker 6: I just thought that the way that the kids in
- 2:03Speaker 6: these answers were so open about their responses to these questions.
- 2:09Speaker 1: This is The Australian's social affairs editor, Stephen Lunn.
- 2:14Speaker 6: And I thought that was quite interesting that they're so
- 2:16Speaker 6: strong on these issues.
- 2:19Speaker 4: I think it is a spit in the face to
- 2:21Speaker 4: the soon-to-be parent. Imagine if a contractor or employee decided
- 2:25Speaker 4: to split midway through and try to take the profits.
- 2:28Speaker 4: That would be illegal and morally disingenuous. They shouldn't be allowed.
- 2:35Speaker 6: They were described as adolescents, so these kids are between
- 2:38Speaker 6: 12 and 14 years old, and they've been really honest
- 2:43Speaker 6: in their opinions, as kids that age tend to be,
- 2:47Speaker 6: open and heartfelt and I think that the Law Reform
- 2:51Speaker 6: Commission will have to look at those viewpoints and from
- 2:53Speaker 6: that perspective really thoughtfully and carefully. As to what they
- 2:57Speaker 6: actually talked about, I mean, one of the questions is,
- 3:01Speaker 6: what's one of the good things about surrogacy? And one
- 3:05Speaker 6: of the kids who answered simply wrote two words in
- 3:07Speaker 6: block capitals as they do. I exist. Was their answer.
- 3:14Speaker 6: Another one put in that they have something Interesting to
- 3:18Speaker 6: use when they play two truths and a lie. Quite
- 3:21Speaker 6: like that one. What's bad about it? They talked a
- 3:23Speaker 6: lot about bullying at school and the difficulties of explaining
- 3:28Speaker 6: how they were born to their friends. And one of
- 3:31Speaker 6: the kids said that they had created a PowerPoint so
- 3:35Speaker 6: that every time that they were asked how they were born,
- 3:38Speaker 6: this child would bring out their PowerPoint to show them
- 3:40Speaker 6: how it worked.
- 3:42Speaker 5: I honestly don't care. I rarely think about it. And
- 3:45Speaker 5: when I do like every two months, I just think
- 3:49Speaker 5: it's cool.
- 3:52Speaker 1: It's such a beautiful expression of their free will and
- 3:55Speaker 1: of their strong opinions. Of course, every kid wants to
- 3:58Speaker 1: be wanted and wants to feel like their parents really
- 4:00Speaker 1: wanted them around. And there's certainly no doubt of that
- 4:03Speaker 1: with surrogacy arrangements. But I think one of the questions
- 4:06Speaker 1: Australians are grappling with as we consider the idea of surrogacy,
- 4:10Speaker 1: is commercial surrogacy something we should allow here or should
- 4:13Speaker 1: we just allow people to go overseas and do it,
- 4:15Speaker 1: is that what happens to the relationship with the birth mother?
- 4:19Speaker 1: What are the rights of the woman who carries the baby?
- 4:22Speaker 1: Did the kids reflect on that much or is it
- 4:25Speaker 1: all about them?
- 4:26Speaker 6: The questions were, I guess, made a little bit adolescent friendly.
- 4:31Speaker 6: So they were asked, should the surrogate mother be able
- 4:34Speaker 6: to keep the baby, for instance? And at present in
- 4:38Speaker 6: the law, an intended parent or the intended parent's need
- 4:42Speaker 6: to actually make an application to become the parents of
- 4:46Speaker 6: the child. So on the birth certificate at present, the
- 4:48Speaker 6: surrogate mother is the parent on the birth certificate and
- 4:51Speaker 6: then the intended parents come in with a process after that.
- 4:54Speaker 6: So one of the things that the Law Reform Commission
- 4:56Speaker 6: is looking at is whether or not that should change.
- 4:59Speaker 6: And these kids were very adamant that the intended parents
- 5:03Speaker 6: should be the parents from the get-go. And so they
- 5:06Speaker 6: see them as their parents and don't see any particular
- 5:08Speaker 6: reason why that shouldn't happen.
- 5:16Speaker 1: In Australia, we don't have a situation where you can
- 5:20Speaker 1: arrange for a surrogate just because you don't want to
- 5:22Speaker 1: carry a baby yourself. You generally have to demonstrate that
- 5:25Speaker 1: you are unable to have a baby yourself. And then
- 5:29Speaker 1: you step into, if you're doing this overseas with a
- 5:32Speaker 1: commercial surrogacy arrangement, you step into the risk that you
- 5:35Speaker 1: face in any foreign country that you are not a citizen.
- 5:39Speaker 1: You might find your baby and the surrogate mother being
- 5:42Speaker 1: preferenced by the jurisdiction where you are. I mean, that
- 5:45Speaker 1: is terrifying for Australian parents, of course, the risk of
- 5:49Speaker 1: losing their baby. And thinking about what those kids said,
- 5:51Speaker 1: that's also something that would be nightmarish for the children,
- 5:55Speaker 1: to be trapped between two systems.
- 5:58Speaker 6: This should be the most joyful time, but instead this
- 6:02Speaker 6: family is trapped and desperate. Well, a number of Aussie
- 6:06Speaker 6: couples have found themselves in a nightmare situation following the
- 6:09Speaker 6: sudden closure of a major surrogate clinic in Greece.
- 6:12Speaker 1: Australian couples are anxiously awaiting DNA test results to prove
- 6:17Speaker 1: newborn babies are their own. So that means, sensibly, we
- 6:24Speaker 1: should be thinking about having these arrangements here, bringing these
- 6:27Speaker 1: arrangements home to Australia. What do you think about the
- 6:31Speaker 1: balance of questions there, Lani?
- 6:32Speaker 4: You know.
- 6:33Speaker 1: Is it possible, do you think, in a country like
- 6:36Speaker 1: Australia to have commercial surrogacy arrangements that aren't exploitative?
- 6:40Speaker 6: There will be people around the country that have very
- 6:42Speaker 6: solid opinions both ways on this. But I think when
- 6:46Speaker 6: you look at it, at the moment, the law is
- 6:49Speaker 6: based on the idea of either altruistic or commercial surrogacy.
- 6:53Speaker 6: They're the two prisms through which this is looked at
- 6:56Speaker 6: currently under the law. The Law Reform Commission's very much
- 6:59Speaker 6: of the view that those are in a way, an
- 7:03Speaker 6: artificial construct, and that you can be both. You can
- 7:07Speaker 6: be altruistic and deserve to be commercially compensated properly for
- 7:12Speaker 6: your time and labor, and the other way around. Altruistic
- 7:16Speaker 6: has connotations of doing good, whereas commercial has that other
- 7:21Speaker 6: negative connotation of not doing good. The big difference that
- 7:25Speaker 6: the Law Reform Commission is looking at in terms of
- 7:28Speaker 6: that compensation issue is is expanding it quite a lot.
- 7:31Speaker 6: As you mentioned that currently expenses can be claimed by
- 7:34Speaker 6: a surrogate in Australia, bills, et cetera, doctor's bills. This
- 7:38Speaker 6: would be looking to really take that further, including lost wages,
- 7:43Speaker 6: childcare if the surrogate has other children during the pregnancy
- 7:46Speaker 6: to cover that, and also a payment to cover the
- 7:49Speaker 6: pain and hardship of going through a that may encourage
- 7:56Speaker 6: more people in Australia to act as surrogates, which is
- 7:59Speaker 6: what we're seeing at the moment, where people are not
- 8:01Speaker 6: being able to access someone and then having to travel
- 8:03Speaker 6: overseas to the areas where there's these fraught, complicated, potentially
- 8:08Speaker 6: difficult legal situations that they might find themselves in. And
- 8:11Speaker 6: that's both in developed countries like the US, where surrogacy
- 8:14Speaker 6: is legal, or potentially in developing countries where it becomes,
- 8:18Speaker 6: I guess, more of an ethical issue around exploitation.
- 8:25Speaker 1: Coming up, should we be having a different conversation altogether?
- 8:43Speaker 1: All of our systems to help people have a baby
- 8:46Speaker 1: seem kind of broken, like there aren't enough sperm donors
- 8:50Speaker 1: and there are all sorts of onerous rules and massive
- 8:52Speaker 1: expense associated with egg freezing or embryo freezing. It's really
- 8:56Speaker 1: hard to adopt a baby in Australia. And of course,
- 8:59Speaker 1: the advent of contraception, sexual revolution has meant there just
- 9:03Speaker 1: aren't thousands of unwanted babies in orphanages anymore in Australia
- 9:08Speaker 1: that you might be able to adopt. Like if we
- 9:10Speaker 1: fixed all those other systems, maybe we wouldn't really need
- 9:13Speaker 1: to have this conversation.
- 9:14Speaker 6: I think that there will still be circumstances where surrogacy
- 9:19Speaker 6: would be the option that may best serve intended parents.
- 9:24Speaker 6: But it's certainly a fraught area. And there is an
- 9:28Speaker 6: overlay across it all of how much we should be
- 9:33Speaker 6: interfering in these processes. And that's from, I guess, a
- 9:36Speaker 6: religious point of view and ethical point of view and
- 9:39Speaker 6: a moral point of view. And those aren't to be discounted.
- 9:41Speaker 6: There's a lot of people out there who feel very
- 9:43Speaker 6: strongly that surrogacy as a concept is not the right
- 9:47Speaker 6: thing to do. Now, our legal system allows it. And
- 9:50Speaker 6: so clearly it has that force of law behind it
- 9:53Speaker 6: in all jurisdictions. And once that legal backing is there,
- 9:58Speaker 6: then perhaps the next step is to make the process
- 10:02Speaker 6: more accessible for people who want to do it.
- 10:06Speaker 5: Yeah.
- 10:06Speaker 1: When the Law Reform Commission thinks about this, is their
- 10:09Speaker 1: goal or is the terms of reference for them to
- 10:13Speaker 1: essentially support idea of surrogacy and see how they can
- 10:16Speaker 1: make it easier for couples? Or is it about a
- 10:19Speaker 1: much more legalistic kind of intention?
- 10:22Speaker 6: I think that their terms of reference are, they recognise
- 10:25Speaker 6: that surrogacy is legal. They see that it's not being
- 10:29Speaker 6: used particularly widely in Australia. And so they're looking at
- 10:35Speaker 6: ways to support the legal system at the moment and
- 10:39Speaker 6: But of course, there's 468 people who've made submissions to
- 10:43Speaker 6: the commission, and certainly some of them are whether or
- 10:45Speaker 6: not surrogacy should be available as of right in the
- 10:49Speaker 6: first place. So there's quite a lot that the Law
- 10:52Speaker 6: Reform Commission has to consider.
- 10:55Speaker 1: Well, you know, the fact that surrogacy has given us
- 10:58Speaker 1: these incredibly thoughtful children, I think, tells us that it's
- 11:03Speaker 1: a good thing overall. Like, who could wish that these
- 11:06Speaker 1: children weren't around or that these parents who have clearly
- 11:09Speaker 1: raised kids to be articulate and thoughtful shouldn't have had children.
- 11:13Speaker 1: It's a really lovely insight and thanks for bringing it.
- 11:16Speaker 6: To us, Lonnie. It's a pleasure.
- 11:31Speaker 1: Stephen Lunn is The Australian's social affairs editor. You can
- 11:35Speaker 1: read all Lunny scoops anytime at theaustralian.com.au.