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Nosy Boraha: The Pirate's Paradise (And Cemetery) · Ridiculous History

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  Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio, Are
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  Speaker 1: with a Hard, are a vast and Ahoy, fellow Ridiculous Historians,
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the show. Today, we're diving into piracy. I
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  Speaker 1: guess diving is an accidental pun. There. Hi, my name
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  Speaker 1: is Bent, my name is no Do. We're pirates known
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  Speaker 1: for their diving skills. Well, they were maritime, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I would I would think they would go to a
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  Speaker 1: great length to stay as dry as possible. They were
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  Speaker 1: known for their non consensual diving skills when they had
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  Speaker 1: to walk the plank. I'm sorry bad. I felt bad
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  Speaker 1: about that, and now it's very true. I feel I
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  Speaker 1: think we all feel bad about that, but we feel
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  Speaker 1: great about our super producer. Give it up for Casey Pegram. Now,
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  Speaker 1: none of us here in the studio, and hopefully none
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  Speaker 1: of you have been involved in acts of I R
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  Speaker 1: L piracy. Let's be honest. It is twenty nineteen and
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  Speaker 1: in these our modern days, many people are digitally pirating things. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I was about to say, I think we've all probably
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  Speaker 1: downloaded a torrent or two in our day. We're not
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  Speaker 1: advocating that here, but you may remember that very pointed
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  Speaker 1: trailer where I told you about how piracy does hurt people.
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  Speaker 1: You wouldn't download a car, which you wouldn't download a car.
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  Speaker 1: That's where you wouldn't steal a car. That's right. Um,
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  Speaker 1: so we're not talking about that kind of piracy. We're
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  Speaker 1: talking about a much much more brazen form of piracy.
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  Speaker 1: And I want to start the show off by talking
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  Speaker 1: about the fact that in this age of political correctness
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  Speaker 1: and you know, people getting canceled, why aren't people talking
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  Speaker 1: more about how pirates probably aren't the best role model
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  Speaker 1: for little kids. You know, you still can buy pirate
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  Speaker 1: hats and you know, pirate swords and little eye patches
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  Speaker 1: with the jolly Roger on his sports team. Sports Team.
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  Speaker 1: It's a lego set, you know, it's a it's a
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  Speaker 1: series of lego sets. It's a series sets. It's a
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  Speaker 1: kid's cartoon. Remember the Pirates of Dark Water, remember yeah,
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  Speaker 1: oh deep cut. I loved it. I loved it. I
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  Speaker 1: like to do. They were sort of like future pirates.
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  Speaker 1: They were steams apocalyptic sci fi pirates. You know, Uh,
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  Speaker 1: it's it's funny, Casey. You were mentioning that off the
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  Speaker 1: air as well. You specifically said, aren't pirates due to
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  Speaker 1: get canceled, which I thought was a great point. Man.
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  Speaker 1: It just seems like they get up to a lot
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  Speaker 1: of stuff that's not so great, you know, the lowest
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  Speaker 1: of hijinks. So nowadays we romanticize pirates. However, this was
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  Speaker 1: not always the case, and we should point out now
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  Speaker 1: that there are active pirates existing around the world right
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  Speaker 1: some based in Smalley, some based off different coasts, and
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  Speaker 1: these folks are not romanticized. But we have in our
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  Speaker 1: collective brains we have this idealized, romanticized concept of a pirate,
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  Speaker 1: a swash buckler, you know what I mean, A lovable rogue.
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  Speaker 1: This romanticization begins in three It's weird because we can
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  Speaker 1: pinpoint the exact moment where it began. It began arguably
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  Speaker 1: with Treasure Island by Robert Louis Stevenson. So Treasure Island
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  Speaker 1: comes out, and you guys remember Treasure Island, right, of course,
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  Speaker 1: swashbuckling adventures on the high seas, I believe long John
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  Speaker 1: John Silver, you know, all of the kind of like
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  Speaker 1: tropes of pirate nous were sort of solidified in that
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  Speaker 1: one book, and then it was taken and run with
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  Speaker 1: and everything from the Pirates of Dark Water to the
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  Speaker 1: Disney Treasure Island to Everything Caribbean. Who knew that would work.
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  Speaker 1: It's a film franchise based on a ride, and I'll
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  Speaker 1: admit the ride is pretty dope, but it you know,
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  Speaker 1: when you're a kid, But it's it's problematic. It is definitely,
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  Speaker 1: as you guys said, romanticizing things. But yeah, Treasure Islands
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  Speaker 1: has this tremendous influence on how we think of pirates today.
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  Speaker 1: It includes all those things that we consider cliches or
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  Speaker 1: mandatory parts of a pirate story, Treasure maps that have
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  Speaker 1: an X on the spot, one legged sailors who have
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  Speaker 1: a trusty parrot, you know what I mean, all the hits,
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  Speaker 1: all the all that slow cool jazz. But if we
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  Speaker 1: look at real pirates, we see a lot of dissonance
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  Speaker 1: between what they actually were and what Hollywood would have
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  Speaker 1: us believe when we engage with things like talk like
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  Speaker 1: a Pirate Day or watching Pirates of the Caribbean nineteen
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  Speaker 1: or whatever, whichever, when they're on how far are they
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  Speaker 1: into that? How many? How many? Johnny Depp got canceled briefly? Uh,
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  Speaker 1: and I think he's okay. Now, I can't remember because
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  Speaker 1: I think it maybe turned out that his estranged wife
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  Speaker 1: was actually being abusive towards him. I saw that pop
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  Speaker 1: up in the press and then it kind of went away.
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  Speaker 1: So that's yet to be determined. I know he's not
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  Speaker 1: in the next one, but they're doing it without him.
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  Speaker 1: They're doing it without him. Are they just gonna get
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  Speaker 1: Keith Stewart to do it? I'm not you mean Keith
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  Speaker 1: Richards that's the one. Yeah, one of the Keiths, one
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  Speaker 1: of the keith I'm not discriminatory when it comes to Keith.
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  Speaker 1: That's good a guy, Dame Keith and there. Give him
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  Speaker 1: some dreadlocks. Put him in the film. Yeah, just kind
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  Speaker 1: of prop him up with the bottle of rum. Is
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  Speaker 1: Keith Stewart a famous proser or? That's just I think
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  Speaker 1: that's the guy who went to my high school. It's possible,
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  Speaker 1: kind of a Keith Richard's vie. I don't know any
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  Speaker 1: famous Stewarts except for John Stewart, Rod Stewart. Okay, well
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  Speaker 1: you got me there. He did not go to high school.
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  Speaker 1: But but yeah, yeah, it's amazing this kind of this
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  Speaker 1: kind of vision, this pop culture phenomenon exists. But we
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  Speaker 1: can we can set the stage for today's show by
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  Speaker 1: looking at a pirate fact versus pirate fiction. For things, First,
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  Speaker 1: the life of a pirate was grim. They were ruthless.
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  Speaker 1: This was a time of homicide. This was a time
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  Speaker 1: of murder. If you think of Captain Jack Sparrow realized
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  Speaker 1: in real life he could have never become the captain
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  Speaker 1: of a pirate ship. He would have been killed by
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  Speaker 1: his crew. Was it for wearing eyeshad him? I think
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  Speaker 1: it was less less the the coal liner and more
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  Speaker 1: the profound commitment to running away, because pirates didn't run away.
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  Speaker 1: If anything, they ran towards things, right, That's what they
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  Speaker 1: That's what they had to do. You know, they had
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  Speaker 1: to They had to capture these ships. We know that
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  Speaker 1: the most famous pirates were probably not the most successful
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  Speaker 1: as well. We also see this whole Barry treasure thing.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it probably happened several times, but it was
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  Speaker 1: not common. It was not normal. These guys. Pirates didn't
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  Speaker 1: live super long. They weren't like long term thinking, you
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  Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's like one of the guys
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  Speaker 1: selling drugs and the wire is not wondering about what
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  Speaker 1: he's gonna do when he's eighty, because he doesn't think
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  Speaker 1: he'll make it. There only here's the thing, man, Some
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  Speaker 1: pirates did kind of live the equivalent of a Twilight
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  Speaker 1: Years retiring to Florida kind of situation. Didn't that they did?
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  Speaker 1: They did nail on the head. This is something that
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  Speaker 1: the three of us recently found out about because we're
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  Speaker 1: all right, we we understand that Hollywood doesn't depict a
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  Speaker 1: lot of the truths about pirates, like the whole walking
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  Speaker 1: the plank thing are and I made ee those are
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  Speaker 1: those are kind of Hollywood creations. But some pirates did
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  Speaker 1: make it. Some pirates did, as you say, no have
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  Speaker 1: a retirement plan. There is a small island off the
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  Speaker 1: coast of Madagascar that we call Nosy Barraja today. Weird,
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  Speaker 1: it's weird. It's a weird one. Uh. In the past
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  Speaker 1: it was known as the Saint Mariy Casey, could could
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  Speaker 1: you help us out with that? Yeah, you'll sat Mari
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  Speaker 1: That sounds about right, Casey, and Ben on the case
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  Speaker 1: whoa And I think I appreciate that, Ben, but you
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  Speaker 1: nailed it in the first place. We just got a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of confirmation from our resident what do you
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  Speaker 1: call him? A francophone casey Pegram casey Pegram, the man
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  Speaker 1: the myth the legend. And speaking of men, myths and legends,
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  Speaker 1: there was in the Indian Ocean again, just off the
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  Speaker 1: coast of Madagascar, a real life pirate paradise. Yeah when
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  Speaker 1: about in the neighborhood of a thousand pirates weren't out pirrating,
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  Speaker 1: they can't. This was kind of their summer home, you know,
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  Speaker 1: they're off season paradise. There was a map from seventeen
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  Speaker 1: thirty three that was discovered um of this area and
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  Speaker 1: it was simply headed with the Island of Pirates. It
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  Speaker 1: is near the East Indies trade route, very very centrally
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  Speaker 1: located to where these folks would have been pillaging and
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  Speaker 1: pirating and looting and raping their way across the high
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  Speaker 1: seas um. It was very convenient and it was the
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  Speaker 1: perfect place too. It was it was like a real
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  Speaker 1: life treasure island in fury anyway, right because it was
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  Speaker 1: perfect tucked away location where they could hide all of
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  Speaker 1: their ill gotten booty. I like saying booty right right. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Since pirate named Adam bald Ridge started making that his
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  Speaker 1: base in sixte this became a home away from home,
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  Speaker 1: or in some cases a legit first home for a
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  Speaker 1: lot of pirates and it went on until seventeen nineteen
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  Speaker 1: with a pirate named John pro. There were multiple reasons
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  Speaker 1: for this tiny island to be attractive to pirates. They
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  Speaker 1: first off enjoyed proximity to multiple trading routes. You know
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  Speaker 1: what I mean this, Uh ships would be turning from
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  Speaker 1: the East Indies with precious goods, uh fine fine clothing,
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  Speaker 1: spices and so on. And then it had a bunch
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  Speaker 1: of bays and inlets that were protected geographically from storms.
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  Speaker 1: It was situated in quiet, easy water. It had tons
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  Speaker 1: of fruit. You could just live off the land if
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  Speaker 1: you had to. And so a bunch of or make
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  Speaker 1: their own rum or make their own rum. Oh that's
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  Speaker 1: probably more important than the fruit. That was a big
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  Speaker 1: That was a biggie, I think, yeah, I think you're right.
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  Speaker 1: And they lived in these little huts, right, They were
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  Speaker 1: like little wooden huts, and each one was marked with
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  Speaker 1: an emblem or one of you know, the pirate the
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  Speaker 1: ubiquitous pirate flags, which presumably would have been different designs
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  Speaker 1: for the different crews that were under serving under these
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  Speaker 1: different captains. And also wouldn't you think, man, that some
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  Speaker 1: of these factions wouldn't necessarily would be like vying for
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  Speaker 1: the same stuff. Like there wasn't necessarily like an overall
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  Speaker 1: brotherhood of pirates. To my understanding, it was sort of
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  Speaker 1: like every man, every crew for themselves kind of situation.
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  Speaker 1: And yet they managed to coexist on this island. That's true.
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  Speaker 1: Quite a few of them managed to coexist, So maybe
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  Speaker 1: they had kind of a truce situation. But we're talking
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  Speaker 1: legendary real pirates. William Kidd, Robert Culifford, Henry Avery, Abraham,
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  Speaker 1: Samuel Thomas too, and so on. The island had a
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  Speaker 1: main town called em Booty Potatra, which is a mouthful.
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  Speaker 1: And they also had family here, you know, they met,
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  Speaker 1: they met women who were native to the area, and
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  Speaker 1: they had children, and they evolved this sort of um,
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  Speaker 1: non criminal lifestyle. But they took a bunch of stuff
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  Speaker 1: with them. So the island today remains allegedly home to
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  Speaker 1: massive amounts of missing loot or as your prefernal booty
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  Speaker 1: booty booty hard t So uh, we're talking gold, We're
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  Speaker 1: talking coins, works of art, religious artifacts, precious stones, and
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  Speaker 1: legend has it that the treasure of William Kidd is
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  Speaker 1: still buried somewhere in this pirate island in the bay
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  Speaker 1: near the main town, and people have been hunting around
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  Speaker 1: this area for buried treasure for decades and decades and
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  Speaker 1: decades and decades. But one thing that really fascinated us
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  Speaker 1: was the culture that sprang up on this island, particularly
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  Speaker 1: that there is an actual pirate cemetery. That's nuts. There's
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  Speaker 1: actually there there, you know, like the whole nine there tombstones,
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  Speaker 1: they're weird messages and codes and skulls and there's actually
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  Speaker 1: there's skulls inscribed on the tombstones and that whole Jolly
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  Speaker 1: Roger imagery. Yes, so it's not a huge one. It's
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  Speaker 1: on a hill um shaded by palm trees and it
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  Speaker 1: overlooks the ocean and uh, it's pretty small. Only about
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  Speaker 1: thirty real life I r L. Pirates are buried there,
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  Speaker 1: and they were buried there because they were residents of
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  Speaker 1: this island. This was their home away from their home
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  Speaker 1: on the high Seas, I guess. And you can still
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  Speaker 1: go visit this site today. Yeah, yeah, you can go
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  Speaker 1: towur it the same way that you could see another
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  Speaker 1: local attraction. It's only about it's three or four dollars
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  Speaker 1: to go us. There's a small pathway behind this long
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  Speaker 1: way wall which is south of the capital, and signs
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  Speaker 1: from there will lead you to the cemetery. There's a
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  Speaker 1: small hut where you can pay your entrance fee and
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  Speaker 1: you can learn more about the pirates that are buried
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  Speaker 1: in the in the area, and then you can walk
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  Speaker 1: over to uh St Pierre. The problem is that over
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  Speaker 1: the years, surprise, surprise, uh not, a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: have put time into taking care of the gravestones and
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  Speaker 1: the grave site. So a lot of a lot of
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  Speaker 1: graves and crips were damaged because because of a very
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  Speaker 1: understandable crime. I have to say, guys, if I grew
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  Speaker 1: up in this area, or if I were interested in
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  Speaker 1: in being around pirates and finding their treasure, I would
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  Speaker 1: totally mess with their graves because I would figure they
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  Speaker 1: would be buried with their stuff, because again I have
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  Speaker 1: like a goonies level understanding of real pirates. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you have to be fair. That's probably one of the
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  Speaker 1: more historically accurate pirate films. It's out there right right right, good.
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  Speaker 1: Mine was Peppy long Stocking or PEPPI Longstocking. She was
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  Speaker 1: she a pirate, She wasn't a she was on a
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  Speaker 1: pirate ship. There was a pirate I believe. I believe
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  Speaker 1: she served under some sort of pirate and she had
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  Speaker 1: a monkey, right I think so, you know, I mainly
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  Speaker 1: remember her hair h but it's it's true, though, this
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  Speaker 1: is one of the misconceptions that's leading to um pretty
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  Speaker 1: serious damage to this real life pirate cemetery. Pirates didn't again,
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  Speaker 1: they didn't really bury treasure. It could happen, but it
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  Speaker 1: was not commonplace. Instead, just imagine if you listening and
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  Speaker 1: Casey and Noel and I are are all together and
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  Speaker 1: we're we're pirates, were sailing the high seas, and we
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  Speaker 1: rob a ship and we get our booty with the
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  Speaker 1: hard tea, then we're gonna keep it on this ship
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  Speaker 1: and then later we'll divide it up amongst ourselves. Again,
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  Speaker 1: this idea buried treasure comes from Treasure Island, and the
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  Speaker 1: X marks the spot. The whole nine largely fictive. The
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  Speaker 1: only person we know for sure to bury anything was
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  Speaker 1: Captain Kidd, and the entire reason he buried his treasure
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  Speaker 1: was to keep it away from the governor of New York.
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  Speaker 1: He buried it outside of New York. I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: like Yonkers or something. I'm kidding. He didn't do it
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  Speaker 1: in yours. So one of the I don't know, slightly
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  Speaker 1: more well known, certainly not as well than as Billy
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  Speaker 1: the kid pirates that was laid to rest in this
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  Speaker 1: graveyard and spent a lot of time on this island
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  Speaker 1: was a French Corsair by the name of Olivier Lavasier
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  Speaker 1: um or a k a. La Bush, La Bush, La
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  Speaker 1: Bush casey. Can we get a sound effect for that?
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  Speaker 1: Of course, that means the mouth. I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: he has some sort of weird snaggle tooth kind of
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  Speaker 1: situation going on, or if he just talked too much. Um.
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  Speaker 1: But apparently dead men tell no tales. But here's the thing,
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  Speaker 1: La Bush did tell tales after his his passing in
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  Speaker 1: the form of a cipher. I know you're a fan
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  Speaker 1: of a good cipher. We're not talking about a freestyle rap, then,
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  Speaker 1: are we know? But fun fact, I am actually very
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  Speaker 1: scarily good at freestyling. Uh yeah, we're talking about a
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  Speaker 1: cipher is in a code. So he's executed in seventeen
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  Speaker 1: thirty for his many, many, many many crimes as a scallywag,
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  Speaker 1: a buccaneer and so on. But apparently, moments before his execution,
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  Speaker 1: he yelled find my treasure the one who may understand
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  Speaker 1: it and hurled a necklace into the crowd. And this
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  Speaker 1: necklace had sort of a note, but it was actually
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  Speaker 1: a cipher. Is a seventeen line coded message and you
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  Speaker 1: can see you can see um photographs of this cipher
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  Speaker 1: on a great article by Magellan Times. The cipher itself
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  Speaker 1: remain it's unsolved today, right, No one's cracked it. I
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  Speaker 1: believe that's true, and not not that I wasn't attempted,
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  Speaker 1: because maybe it's just maybe no one's figured it out. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean on the same article there is like a
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  Speaker 1: key with some of the little symbols and what are
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  Speaker 1: they represent? But obviously it didn't do the trick, and
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  Speaker 1: not for nothing people have been trying to find this
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  Speaker 1: for such a long time. There's a guy named Barry
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  Speaker 1: Clifford who is a real life treasure hunter and somewhat
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  Speaker 1: successful too. That that's nuts to me. Do you guys
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  Speaker 1: think about that? Like, we're here in our podcast studio
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  Speaker 1: and we're we're having a lovely time making shows and
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  Speaker 1: exploring these stories. But this guy is actually out hunting treasure.
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  Speaker 1: I gotta say, if I had to pick another job,
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  Speaker 1: no offense to you guys, But I would totally be
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  Speaker 1: a treasure hunter. Would you guys be in like if
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  Speaker 1: we had a chance of finding treasure like Steve Zesue style. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: well he was more like a naturalist figure. Um, but yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'd be down, especially if you knew a good area
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  Speaker 1: to look. Where might that be. It's almost as that
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  Speaker 1: we've been talking about what might have been a hotbed
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  Speaker 1: of pirate activity and boggles the boggles the mind, and
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  Speaker 1: if boggled Barry Clifford's mind to the point where he decided,
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  Speaker 1: surely there are remnants of sunken pirate galleys. Uh, and
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  Speaker 1: all of the accompanying booty littered throughout Saint Marie. Um.
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  Speaker 1: He told the Daily Mail in that pirates had more
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  Speaker 1: money than they could spend in ten lifetimes. So surely
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  Speaker 1: there's stuff squirreled away in these little lagoons or you know,
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  Speaker 1: in caves or what have you. Right, Yeah, so surely
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  Speaker 1: he must have had complete success and he is now
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  Speaker 1: a very wealthy man. Right he changed his name to
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  Speaker 1: Jeff Bezos. No. Uh, he goes on and he says,
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  Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, you know, back in the day, if
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  Speaker 1: you were a pirate, h this islands where you would go,
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  Speaker 1: it's where all the pirates hung out. Is this guy
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  Speaker 1: so haggard sounding? He's lived a hard life, you know
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  Speaker 1: what I mean. He doesn't wear sunscreen, so that's the secret.
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  Speaker 1: It's very apparently, it's very bad for your throat not
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  Speaker 1: to wear sunscreen. But he has been exploring the island
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  Speaker 1: for almost well more than twenty years, and during this
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  Speaker 1: time he's found thirteen separate distinct shipwrecks. And you can
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  Speaker 1: see you can see photos, um, you can see some
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  Speaker 1: of the stuff that he's that he's extracted from these
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  Speaker 1: crash sites or these uh oh, some of these ships
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  Speaker 1: were probably scuttled too, if their damage was too great.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: And I know you love that word scuttle, but scuttle
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: but would be rumors? Did you say scuttled, but I
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: said scuttled. Some of these ships were scuttled. I know
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: that's one of your favorite words. It is, but it
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: would have been funny if you had said, I know,
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: some of these ships were scuttled, but it would have
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: been the jokes. That would have been everybody who's seen
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: Hunger Games, go ahead, kiss your fingers, do the what what?
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: What was that motion? Oh? That that's I always thought of.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: That is sort of like a badass like sign off,
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: like amount yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think both of
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  Speaker 1: us have done that in social situations before. But anyway, Yes,
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  Speaker 1: he has not found treasure. Clifford has not. He has, however,
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  Speaker 1: found religious artifacts. He's found ships, of course, some pieces
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  Speaker 1: of ships. Uh. One of his big one of his
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  Speaker 1: big recoveries was an early statue of Jesus Christ from
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  Speaker 1: the thirteen or four century. So, who knows whether you
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: have a dream job or something that's just sort of
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: a means to an end right now, maybe a career
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  Speaker 1: in treasure hunting is for you. It takes some dedication
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  Speaker 1: and it sounds like it takes a lot of overhead,
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  Speaker 1: but I would personally love it. I would love it
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  Speaker 1: if someone listening now actually found buried treasure, you know
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: what I mean, because even we know it was super unusual. No,
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: it's largely a myth, but that doesn't mean it's totally
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: a myth. The treasures out there right also hashtag no
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: oak Island, remind me about oak Island again? Man, the
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: Oak Island money pit. We did a show on this
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  Speaker 1: for stuff they don't want you to know, and the
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: Oak Island Money Pit in Nova Scotia is thought to
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: be a site of largely unrecovered buried treasure. Now this
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: has also become a reality show phenomenon, so the producers
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  Speaker 1: got involved and now you will see all kinds of
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  Speaker 1: here you go scuttle butt about about what's actually in
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  Speaker 1: the ground there. Thanks for doing that for me, Ben,
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: hey man, I got your back. So some things have
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: been carbon dated. Some people have claimed that they found something,
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: but they haven't found any significant treasure. The thing is,
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: there are real buried treasures out there, and I would
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: I would love to be a part of finding one.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: So you know, hit us up, Hit us up on
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: Ridiculous Historians if you have a If you have a
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: pitch for a likely site of buried treasure, you can
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: find us on Facebook where we are Ridiculous Historians. It's
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: a group that we have you might have heard of
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: a time or two. We we tend to mention it.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: You can join just simply by saying Ben in my name,
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: in the same way you might summon a genie in
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: some sort of secret cave. And of course there you
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: will also see our good friends super producer Casey Pegram
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: and Christopher Hasiotis, among others. You know, I noticed some
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: of our coworkers are sort of stealth hanging out on
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: that page. Have you seen that? Totally a lot of Larkin.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: You can also find us on Twitter and Instagram. If
• 23:24
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• 23:27
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• 23:30
  Speaker 1: I am at Ben Bolan, I am at Embryonic Insider
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: and um Big. Thanks to super producer Casey Pegram. As
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: always thanks to Alex Williams who composed our theme. Thanks
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: to our here in spirit uh cohort Christopher Hasiotis, um
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: who is one day You're gonna see the light about
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: how how amazing a movie man he is? And let
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: us know about your favorite pirate throughout history And let
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: me know, was pity long stalking a pirate? I don't know.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: I forget it was a long time ago. We'll see
• 24:00
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