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Ghosts of the Delaney House · PNW Haunts & Homicides

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  Well, Daniel Delaney is here. We believe Mr. Edward is here. I remember him. I could feel his presence.
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  He was a very strong presence in life and he's a very strong presence after life.
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  Boys wore this beatable hat and a beatable jacket. And many people have seen that spirit walk
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  across the porch or up the staircase in the other room. And little kids who are sensitive to it,
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  who are like, "I'm staring at me." And then it's like, "Hey!" And they say, "What does he look at?"
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  It was worn as pulled out and baggy jacket. It's like the same guy.
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  Hi, Caitlyn. Hi, Cassie. Hi, creepy people. Hello! If you're new to our creepy corner of the world,
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  this is PNW Haunts and Homicides, where me and Caitlyn usually chat about true crime, the paranormal,
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  and all things spooky in the Pacific Northwest. It's the PNW, if you're nice.
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  And we do tarot rating at the end of every episode for a little deeper insight into our topic.
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  We don't have our cameras on for the intro, but don't you worry, because you will see us on
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  Location, on on scene, on the site. The scene of the crime.
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  And the scene of literally the scene of the crime. Like actually literally.
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  Yeah. So we are visiting our topic for the day, and we took our cameras with us, and we did a couple
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  interviews, and cut two. So we're here on Location. Obviously, this isn't the pod studio.
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  No. And we have kind of a secret guest with us, who prefers not to be on camera.
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  They are here. We're here with Vicki, who owns the Delaney House in Salem.
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  It's an Airbnb. It's available for rent. Is it rent? Is that what you call it? What do you call it?
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  Yeah, I guess. Temporary rent. What does that call it?
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  It's literally it's just called for rent.
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  Totally. And we're not called for talent.
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  But anyway, you can stay here if you want, if you're brave enough.
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  We do have some interesting history with this house. You want to go ahead and start by telling us
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  a little bit about it, a little bit about how you got the house.
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  Well, we were looking for a house up here in Salem, and the house that we had found fell out of
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  escrow. So we decided to come up here personally. We were in California and look for something.
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  And this house went on sale the day we came up. Oh, wow.
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  And it was the last house that we looked at, and I went, yes, let's do the paperwork now.
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  It was clearly meant to be. If fully restored house, it took some 10 years to restore this house.
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  They moved it 100 yards from next door, brought it over here.
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  And it's just had such a good feeling to it, and I felt like I was going to get part of history.
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  So yeah. So we got it that night. The day it went on sale.
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  Wow. After 10 years of being restored. So I felt like it was meant to be.
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  There was no like bidding war. You weren't fighting anybody else for the house. No one else wanted it.
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  They took it. Oh, wow. That's amazing.
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  It was like just hours and we got the house. So I think there was surprise somebody to get so quick.
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  But yeah. So I guess it was meant to be.
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  The person who built the house, Daniel Delaney, he was one of the original Oregon pioneers,
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  came up to Oregon Trail in 1843. He got a big land grant. And so that took him up here to turn her
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  what this was turn her back in the day. And he brought his three sons and his wife. And he,
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  unfortunately, brought his slave with him too. But in Oregon, you are not a slave. But
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  they didn't really want anybody of color here either. So she was their housekeeper.
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  Yeah. I mean, that's come up on the podcast a couple of times before.
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  Yeah. And I really hate that part of the story except that I want to believe. And that's the feeling
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  that I get when I throw this out here into the house and the spirits that are here that Rachel,
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  Neumann's Rachel, Belden, and she, I just think that she just made the best of a really weird,
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  bad, uncomfortable situation. Women had women, all of color and women had no rights back then.
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  Yeah. And I think she took the situation and decided, I'm going to make the best of this. She became
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  the woman of the house. Daniel D'Lini's wife Elizabeth went, I'm not, I don't want to
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  to deal with this. And so she moved away. She moved into her son, David's house, which was across the
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  field. And basically it was just Daniel and Rachel and eventually their two sons. Oh, lived here.
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  Okay. And then she no longer wanted to live here at some point and moved out and took her sons with
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  her. And that kind of brings it to the bad reason that we're kind of here is you got shot with a
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  shotgun. They broke into the house. They broke all the doors. They went up in the attic and they
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  did find approximately $1,500 with a gold, which they took with them. And most of it they got back
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  after afterwards the family did get them money back. That's the history of the house. And then
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  it belonged to a couple of different families. And then the Edwards family were the last ones that
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  owned it. So if you look it up on the historical registry, it is the Delaney Edwards house.
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  Okay. I was wondering where the Edwards came in. They owned the house for a very long time.
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  And what I give them credit for is there's a picture over there. Ethel and Lawrence. Lawrence
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  belonged to the he was a farmer here. And he decided that he wanted to build a big house. Well,
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  here you're not supposed to have two full size houses on the same property. Oh, really? Yes. So he's
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  belonged to the volunteer fire department and Turner. And he decided he was just going to have the
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  house burned out and then he'd build a new house. Ethel found out about that and said, no, this house
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  is too important historically. Yeah. She did all the paperwork and it's a book, this big of stuff that
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  she had to do to get it on the historical registry. Oh my god. It's not easy. So Ethel saved the house.
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  So this house was going to be burnt down. Yeah. Wow. It's here now. It's still standing. So you said
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  it moved from its original location. Was it still on the same property? Yeah. The it was right behind us.
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  100 yards over. There's a white house over there. And the barn that's over there actually was built by
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  Daniel Delaney. They did not move the barn. Oh, I wish they had. I'd love to go over there. And you
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  don't own that. Oh, okay. Separate property is now interesting. So so the barn is still there.
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  And it sat out on basically out on the road right out here on Delaney Road. So the road Delaney
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  Road was staying up again. It's so cute. It's themed. Yeah. So we want to point out really quick. There is
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  what's this called again? EMS reader on the table. Just chill in just in case anyone wants to come
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  and say hi or more than welcome to come and say hi. We were recording a podcast. Don't be scared by all
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  the lights and equipment. We're very nice. So you can come hang out. There is a lovely offering of
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  Jack Daniels. Who is this for Zoe? This was for Mr. Daniel Delaney. Daniels got it. Okay, so we
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  have some flashlight, some mag lights set up. You know how they ghost hunters do it. And uh, oh,
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  is that it going off right now? Oh, so it's been going off. So we have a couple of fun things.
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  We have a Wow pendulum. Thank you. Pinch will come here. So if you see it crazy swinging. I mean,
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  we could bump the table. But ask the guys. They're interested in letting us know they're here. If you
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  want to let us see toys. There's the flashlight. There's the MF meter and there's a pendulum there.
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  If they're interested, they all they have to do is touch them. You're more than welcome. Don't be shy.
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  If you don't want to teach you, that's fine. It's really fine. Okay. So speaking of ghosts,
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  is there ghosts here because we're kind of hinting around this topic. Okay. You've had some experiences
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  here. I have had some experiences. I think the most fun one that we have is that our dog that
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  had when we moved here, Max, he passed away a few years back. Right afterwards, we started
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  feeling things and hearing things because Max himself saw spirits. He would, he'd be walking through a
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  room and he would stop. Look and he'd wag his tail and he'd walk over and he'd lean on the air
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  and just was the cutest little thing and he'd lean on the air. And he'd just be like he's getting scratch.
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  And he'd, you know, just that that way that dogs are when you're petting them and then
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  and then he'd stop and he'd look over and then it's like he'd follow them with his eyes and be
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  wagging his tail and they'd be gone. So I think he had a friend here and I just think he's saved. I
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  don't know if it's because of us. Or if he just maybe he's here with his friend. Yeah. Whatever it was,
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  we don't know, but he did that all the time. He was constantly seeing someone, you know. So
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  he was seeing another person. Now he's on the same side as them. But now he is. But yeah, but people
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  feel him, you know, like he'd put his head on your lap or he had really long fingernails or toenails
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  that we could never figure out. Clickety claps. Clickety clickety. And he'd shake his ears and you know,
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  this little clap sound. So, you know, it's, it was very specific to him and he and our other dog,
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  all I have all of our only ones that have ever been here and Oliver doesn't do any of the same things.
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  No, very specifically all our max behaviors. Wow. Interesting. But I so I love hearing stories about
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  like little spirit animals, ghosty dogs. Well, Daniel Delaney is here. We believe Mr.
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  Skare. And we're right into it. Mr. Edwards is here. I've had a lot of people just stop by.
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  I when I first moved here, we would go to the, I'd go to the front door and somebody would be like,
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  hi, I used to live in this house. Can I come in and you're like, yes, you know, and they'd want to see
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  and then they'd have stories to tell me. You're very brave. It's going to stand. And yes,
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  is the response. Okay. All right. And but I've learned a lot and I've had quite a few people say,
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  oh yeah, Mr. Edwards. I remember him. I could feel his presence. He was a very strong presence
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  in life and he's a very strong presence after life. Boys wore this beatable hat and a beatable jacket.
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  And many people have seen that spirit walk across the porch or up the staircase in the other room.
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  And little kids who are sensitive to it, to like, man staring at me. And it's like, okay, you know,
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  and they say, what is he look at? It was worn as old hat and a baggy jacket. It's like same guy.
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  And we thought it was Daniel Bellany, but I've had quite a few people kind of confirm that it
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  seems to be one's Edwards. Oh, that is very good to know. Like, have a little bit of a distinction
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  between all the ghosts. Well, it's hard to tell, you know, sometimes you'll get voices. I've heard
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  voices say hello to me. I've heard a man's voice say my name in my ear. Well, when we do
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  paranormal investigations, the same group comes a lot and they have, they come kind of connected.
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  The one woman does automatic writing and sometimes she'll, she stays connected. One, she's not even
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  here and she'll sit down beforehand and say, you know, is there anything you want me to talk about
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  or is there anything you want us to do? Anybody you want here and she'll just sit at home and write
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  in her notebook. Wow. And then read it later and then, you know, try to remember to bring it back.
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  They're very interesting. They're spirited conversations in the name of the group. Oh, that's cool.
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  When they are here, they're like an antenna. Stuff just happens, you know, when they're in the room.
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  And I feel like if they're here a lot and they're not disrespectful and making, you know,
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  making things angry, not provoking. If they're nice, like, I feel like that would make the ghost want
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  to talk to them more. Yeah. And they respect them and they ask them questions, you know, what can we do
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  for you? And Daniel Bellany's only had one big request that he wants a photograph of himself
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  in this house. Oh, I can't find one. And I said, well, then Daniel, if you want a photograph,
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  please tell them where I can find one. Yeah. And happy to go get one. I've had a lot of different people
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  searching the internet and searching all of the records and there's just no photos of him.
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  No, not even after a big trial, you would have thought that somebody would have put his photograph
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  with the murderers or whatever. Huh. In the newspaper. There was in the newspapers.
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  I just had a thought of like, if you can't find one, you should get one of those like criminal people
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  to like sketch him. Like, like, get jargons. Like, is there a description of what he looks like? Or a psychic.
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  Would you like a psychic jargon? Would you like me to show you that that we did? You did that?
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  Wait, what? Yes. Maggie and Sherry that come here, they also help solve
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  closed cases and cold cases. And they work with a gentleman who is a sketch artist. And they sat
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  and they worked on trying to get a good visual of what they looked like in their heads and then describe
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  it to them. That's really cool. So I said, well, why did they show themselves as young? And
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  what Maggie said was that most of the time, most spirits will show you themselves as how they felt
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  the best in their life. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. That is so cool. I can't believe I said that
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  and then you just happen to have a picture of it. That's as close as they can come to what the,
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  that's Rachel and Elizabeth, his wife was not very happy when we brought that into the house.
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  Wow. We had, yeah, she had some words. She left. But she had some words to say to one of our ladies,
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  I guess, though. Oh, wow. She was not happy about that at all. So we do a tea party when we do our
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  spirit galleries here. We have everybody sit around and then we do a say on what I serve everybody tea.
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  Oh, that's so fun. And a few years ago, Maggie was at a good will or some kind of a thrift store.
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  And she hears voices. So she was walking along looking at some of the dishes and the lady goes,
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  yeah, that's her mind dishes. And she's like, okay, yeah, that was right there. She does now. Now you need
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  to get those glasses. And she goes, now, do you, I don't understand why are the glasses not on
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  the same place as the dishes? So yeah, to go to the other aisle and you can get the plates. So you
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  need to go over it. So take off, take the cups. Now you need to go and this lady is just telling her
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  what to do. And so she's like, okay, so she goes over the next aisle and sure enough, she found the
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  matching plates. And not a lot. It was just like two cups and a couple of plates, like four plates.
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  And that's it. And she at least said, all right, well, okay, you take good care of those, all right?
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  Like, okay, and she goes to take a man her husband, like, why do you have that mismatched bunch of dishes?
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  She'll tell you later, I was told to and I'm just going to listen to her. So she took them home,
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  put them in a box and they just sat at her house for a long time. And so when we decided to do this,
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  she goes, I think I need to bring you some dishes. So she brought them over and she talked to the lady
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  while she was here and the lady is with them. And she said, I just wanted you to know that I brought
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  them here. We're going to be using them. You know, it's in a family home. And I thought you'd like
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  that. And she said, the lady said that was good. So I had a shelf in there in my China cabinet. And
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  I put them in there. And when we when we were sitting here talking, we heard,
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  we were suddenly giving around in there. So I think she was getting settled and maybe looking around.
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  Both Maggie always gets this cup and the sauce.
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  Oh, that is so cool. Can I in my lot of hold it?
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  So this is one of the haunted dishes. Yes. And I don't know. I don't know who's it is. I mean,
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  I don't know the lady's name. I don't know that she ever got her name. So it was like a spirit telling
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  her to collect her dishes and like take care of them, like save them from the antique store.
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  Yeah. She didn't like them being at an antique store. That makes sense. I would, you know,
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  and they weren't together. She just didn't like they weren't together. Yeah.
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  Lights and the saucers just weren't together. Oh, well, it doesn't make any sense.
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  Of course. Love be upset. I don't know. Do you want to? No, I just want to let me hand Kate
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  let a haunted object. You guys did you? Did you?
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  The paint the drawing wasn't haunted. That had good. No, I know. I'm just afraid of the drops.
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  That was just me. We do smell cigar smoke a lot. And we don't smoke. So that usually tells us
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  that Daniel the lady is around. That is something that a lot of people that come will bring a cigar
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  and the whiskey like oh sure we did. And even if we don't give a lot of response from it,
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  it's a very positive feeling. You know, it's like, great. He's happy. Yeah. He's happy.
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  So I did have one question before we keep moving on. So just to like set the record straight.
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  You because you've had a couple it sounds like spooky experiences, but you don't have a bad feeling
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  here. We kind of talked about it earlier. Like tell us about the vibe here. I have never honestly had
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  any negative feelings here. And with all of the different sayances and spirit galleries and
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  paranormal investigations, with the exception of one person hearing that the ghost didn't want them
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  to go in our attic. Never really had anything negative. And I don't know why the attic.
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  Most people don't try to go in the attic. I would try to go in the attic. Yeah.
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  And I've had people go up there and place like small items that maybe would, you know, roll or,
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  you know, like a toy car or a marble or something. Just to see if they can get some movement.
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  And nothing's really happened. And one group apparently, you know, had somebody, you know, say,
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  no, they ask of they go in the attic. Oh, they just didn't. So, you know, respect. Okay. I'm glad that
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  they didn't try to go. I have always felt welcomed. Right. When I first moved here, a woman would,
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  I quite often, right here in the morning go, good morning. You know, so I always felt pretty welcomed.
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  You know, I think that's probably because you like came in and you just had a good vibe about this
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  place and wanted to save it and treated it well. Treat, treat, treat, treat,
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  trot it well. That's what I was trying to say. Trot it well. Treat it well. I don't know. I can't speak.
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  We do have Daniel Delaney's chair that he built in 1843 and his upstairs. It tends to rock by itself
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  from time to time. We got it from a member of the Edwards family who the chair had been donated
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  to the Salem old folks home. And then when that place closed down, they gave it back to the Delaney
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  house, which was then owned by the Edwards family. So it was here in the house for a really long time.
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  And when they sold the house, it went to different family members and different family members just
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  had it in their house. And they kept a little plaque that was on it that said that it was built from a
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  piece of wood from this farm by Daniel Delaney and it has to date and everything. But the first time I
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  put it up there, we had guests walk up there and it was just rocking. And the lady's like, well,
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  I think maybe my husband's here or whatever. And so she was laughing about it. So I want to go upstairs
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  and witness it rocking. I don't know whether Daniel upstairs. We have a half that tends to fall off
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  the hook that's up there. That happens a lot only once that anybody ever see it happen.
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  Well, it's just up there and it's on the floor. And then I hang it back up and then it's on the floor.
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  Is that like an antique hat or is it? It's not an antique hat and maybe that's why it just doesn't fit.
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  I can really don't want it. But there was a vintage band group up there one time that completely freaked out
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  because they were like, oh, they heard this hat sometimes and it hit the ground and they went,
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  oh, no, they ran out of the stairs. Oh, my gosh. They never did that. But I tease them all the time when I say
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  them. I know what you did. So only one time has it been seen. But there's the SLS cameras,
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  catch people dancing upstairs in the bathtub. In the bathtub? I thought that was so interesting.
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  Was that always bathroom? I assume it was. They're not like moving around bathrooms in old houses
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  probably. No, I think it probably was. But again, when they built this in 1845 or yeah, 1845,
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  there was no inter plumbing. Oh, so I don't know. That makes sense. Maybe that was something else.
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  Yeah. A dancing room. I'm very big. I don't know. But anyway, that happens. And if you play music and set
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  one of the SLS cameras up, if you play any kind of music, they will tend to, figures will appear.
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  Any kind of music. So like, you know, like boots with the fur.
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  Well, I like the window to the wall. We can put my phonograph in there. One of those
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  play a little song. We're hoping that new acquisition of mine with the record player will. Yeah.
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  We'll make them happen. You put it on earlier and it sounds beautiful. Did you hear the old? I think so.
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  Yeah. Phonograph is on the rich. Yeah, they're called phonographs. A lot of people have seen
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  a black woman and a little boy with a stuffed bunny, which is we're oddly specific. But
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  different people that didn't know anybody else had seen that because it's not like written down anywhere.
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  Right. From that back bedroom and into here. And then just from that back bedroom and into here.
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  So residual energy. That's what I've been told that is. And it's pretty much the same for everybody.
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  It's just the same thing, like a really busy black woman with a little boy behind her holding
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  the stuffed bunny, like trying to get her attention. So she's busy. He's trying to get her to
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  and it's just back and forth, which makes me think that that was their bedroom. Yeah.
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  Rachel and her children. That was her bedroom back there. Yeah, because you said that back bedroom
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  a lot of childlike things happen in there and you kind of filled it with toys and stuff.
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  Well, and we have we have children in here. We have spirits that are children. I've seen on the
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  S. All those camera people reach out and like they patty cake and do things. But it's all really
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  it feels you know, it feels good. You know, nobody's ever been scared by it. Yeah. And you said that
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  no children have died here. And you don't think that they're actually just like spirits of children
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  who've died here, but maybe spirits of children who have come back here to play. It was like good
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  memories for them. Possibly. Yeah. There's no way to really know that part. That's what we're all
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  trying to figure out. I know exactly. But we know that there are children here, which is kind of nice
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  to know. Yeah. So if you feel some heat tug on your leg or some, they just want to get your attention
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  so you can play with them. Yeah. And I think so we brought some candy too for like the children. So
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  we have a couple offerings. Oh, the doors lock from the inside. Yeah. I have a little room in there
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  that the door lock from the inside and my husband had to break the lock to get us in there. We had no
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  way of being able to get in there. It wasn't a key lock. It was the lock that you turn from the inside.
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  Oh, yeah. The door was locked. Like how would it do that? That's so bizarre. We call exactly
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  that question. That's it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's no way to do that. Those stories always dump
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  me because we've come across it a few times where it's like the door was locked from the inside. And
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  like remember that one where the safe was like moved? We're like, how did the safe move from the inside
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  room? It's very, it's weird. Stuff like that is so strange to me. I mean a lot of the stuff that
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  here is the same kind of stuff that happens everywhere. You get a bumper, a scratchy noise or
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  you know, we did have one group come here and someone demanded that we get an orange cat
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  that they want an orange cat very badly. And that's on video with their ovulus.
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  They're very, and they're like long hair, orange. Wow. I would be happy. Oh, please.
• 24:53
  You know, these, and it's so we think it was a child. They got the name Edwards out of it. So it
• 24:58
  seems like it's maybe a child from the Edwards family or maybe it's an adult.
• 25:02
  Well, did you get them a cat? I have not gotten them a cat. But I did promise.
• 25:06
  If they're working on my doorstep. The cat distribution system. We're waiting on it. That's right.
• 25:12
  Yeah. So it's like those are going to start dragging some cats. We get a cat go by a cat. We have to
• 25:19
  wait for it to show up. That's how cat things work. Right. There's a couple pieces of the house that
• 25:25
  are original. Like the wall, the wood piece in the bedroom with the writing all over it.
• 25:31
  And then the carving in the window. Can you tell us about those couple of things?
• 25:35
  I don't know much about the one in the bedroom except that I know it's from probably children because
• 25:43
  adding and subtracting and signatures. Yeah. And you've kind of preserved. Did you put the
• 25:50
  plexiglass over it? I did not. Oh, people who restored the house. They preserved that and kind of
• 25:54
  like paint it around it. Yeah. And there's another one in the other room you can look at too. And it's
• 25:59
  got just names like names of people and their dates and stuff. Not like measuring heights or anything
• 26:05
  like that. Yeah. It seemed kind of random. Not really sure. It does. Yeah. And then David Delaney,
• 26:13
  apparently when they first moved here, he scratched his name into the window, which I'm quite sure
• 26:18
  he got in trouble for because windows would have been very, very precious. I can't believe it's still
• 26:25
  it's still here. I got a really good picture of it. I'm very proud of the people who did the
• 26:29
  restoration to make sure they saved as many original things as they could. They did a good job
• 26:34
  because this house was very 70s looking. It had drywall and wallpaper and wood siding on top of
• 26:42
  everything. They dropped down to the original. Okay. So the house and put it back together. So they
• 26:48
  moved a few things around. But for the most part, it does look a lot more like the original house
• 26:53
  than it would have with all of that. We're in 67. Right. It was a show. I was just going to say
• 27:02
  a shag. And what are they? Beautiful. And the wall. The pattern on the walls, the accent. I know
• 27:10
  what's called. It's the beams. The wall. Yeah. The original wall. They replaced what they had to,
• 27:17
  but they left as much original stuff as they could. And what they didn't use is all in our garage.
• 27:22
  So we still have. Oh, wow. That's nice. Pieces of history. Is this fireplace original?
• 27:29
  The fireplace is the mantle is not. Oh, for the brick parties. Even a rich person that owned a farmhouse
• 27:38
  would never have have anything. I just was looking at that. I was like, oh, that's like marble, but the
• 27:43
  but the brick part is the brick part is I'm thinking this was probably the kitchen. And they
• 27:48
  put on that. Oh, remember what year it was. Yeah. 18 some years ago. Okay. So that was probably that's
• 27:57
  why the hook is theirs. Right. I was going to say the pots aren't real. I mean, those they're not
• 28:02
  old, but yeah, but you could be idea. Yeah. And then this is part of the original house. He said
• 28:08
  there were what are the additions? The addition would be that kitchen and the it was called the utility
• 28:14
  room that's in the back. And then they attached it to the carriage house, which is original and was
• 28:19
  separate. Oh, okay. All the horses in on the carriage. Right. They would keep the horses in there.
• 28:26
  After Daniel Delaney was almost killed then his son built that second half. So in 1865, that was built.
• 28:35
  Well, is there anything else you want to add? Any pieces of history that you think are cool or
• 28:40
  details about the house that are your personal favorite? The living room. That's where I go in the
• 28:45
  morning and I have coffee and it feels nice. Yeah. It's a very welcoming, comforting kind of a place.
• 28:51
  So yeah, that are out on the porch. Something about a wrap around. There is. Yes.
• 28:57
  Yes. From porch. It's yeah, it's hard to beat that classic dreams. We love it.
• 29:02
  Well, thank you so much for giving us all this info, letting us come and hang out in the Delaney house
• 29:09
  and talk about ghosts and because some people don't like it when the when the ghosts are a part of their,
• 29:15
  you know, home or hotel or history of an area, but you definitely embrace it.
• 29:21
  Yeah. I guess a lot of people believe everything they see in horror movies and they think that
• 29:26
  anything that they don't understand or can't see is going to be scary or dangerous and I don't
• 29:31
  think that that's the case at all. See, it's not scary. Not in my, not in my experience.
• 29:39
  So you can still come and stay here even if you don't want to meet ghosts or anything. It still has
• 29:45
  good vibes. Yeah. Very nice. And oh, just one more thing. I love you decorated the crap out of this
• 29:53
  place. It is so cool. You have little details of antiques and like little creepy things all over
• 29:59
  the place and it's so cool. I think it's worth it just to stay here to just come and look at all of
• 30:03
  the little details that you put out. A lot of people say they wish they had another day just to look
• 30:09
  at them. Yes. Yeah, there's so much. I don't know how we're ever going to get footage of it all,
• 30:12
  but we're going to try. So we're still at the Delaney House with Zoe who is a paranormal investigator.
• 30:21
  Yeah. It's weird having that be my job title now. I'm so used to just scare actor and add on
• 30:29
  paranormal investigator right underneath that. I love that. That's been my dream forever and now I'm
• 30:34
  going around telling people like I'm going to be a ghost hunter because now I know a ghost hunter
• 30:38
  friends. So that's basically going to be my full-time job. Absolutely. Okay, this is the question I always
• 30:44
  ask. So I feel like ghost hunter has a little bit of a negative connotation. Do you prefer
• 30:50
  paranormal investigator? Do you still say ghost hunter? You know, I'm using both interchangeably.
• 30:55
  I understand, you know, it's like hunting ghosts. You know, when people think of that, they think
• 30:59
  of ghost musters. And it's like. Or Zach Begins. Or is it? Oh my god. Ghost provoker demon provoker?
• 31:07
  Or do you mean provoker? All love and respect. But it is like you do you, bro, but it's the most fake
• 31:14
  thing that I've ever seen. I know. I have like a love hate. Well, I like love hate watch it. It's
• 31:20
  kind of funny entertainment for me, but I still do, you know, watch it because they made a show
• 31:25
  at the end of time where like not a bunch of people, you know, paranormal shows. Yeah, it kind of
• 31:30
  made people aware that this was a thing that people did. Yeah. Instead of just like filming themselves
• 31:36
  in abandoned buildings for fun. Yeah. Yeah. So all of the respect there, but
• 31:41
  or the reactions are very exaggerated. Yeah. And that's not the that's not the kind of stuff you're
• 31:48
  doing on a regular basis. Absolutely not. Yeah. But yeah, when I take people on tours, I warn them
• 31:54
  sometimes like ghost hunting is not like you see on TV. It is mostly boring. So it's a little moment
• 32:01
  to fun. Yeah, they can't show all the sitting around. Yeah, unanswered questions on TV. All of the
• 32:08
  just sitting around and quiet talking to yourself is edited out and it's edited out for a reason.
• 32:12
  So where do you take people on tours at? So I pretty exclusively work at the grand theater
• 32:21
  in downtown Salem, Oregon. It is a 125 year old building that was originally built by the odd
• 32:29
  fellows. It was an odd fellow lounge. Okay. Yeah. So if anyone out there knows odd fellows, you kind
• 32:38
  of understand when I'm putting down there. I don't. Oh, I don't know. But I feel like we might like
• 32:45
  talk more about this place, about the history about it in its own episode. So we might have to like
• 32:51
  yeah, you don't have to explain it all to me now. But give me like a one word vibe for the odd fellows.
• 32:56
  Secret cult. Oh, that's two words. So you have to pick not to. Okay. I immediately
• 33:02
  break the rules. No, I get it though. That does make sense. Yeah, it's secretive. Okay. Okay.
• 33:08
  So you give you offer tours there? These ghost tours. Yeah. So I work with the Salem Hunt Club
• 33:18
  and we do events, a lot of events at the grand theater. But occasionally we do ghost investigation
• 33:27
  tours in the basement, which is usually completely awful. I'm just to the public. It's ex a first
• 33:33
  staff that worked there. It's mostly a storage area, but it is also connected to the tunnels that are
• 33:43
  in downtown Salem. Yeah. So if anyone's familiar with like the Fishing High tunnels in Portland,
• 33:49
  they might have heard of those. We have talked about this before. Oh, well, yeah. There you go. We
• 33:54
  also have them here in Salem too. Oh, they were they were used by a Chinese immigrant that helped
• 34:01
  to build this town at the railroad. Basically, was there safe haven? Oh, okay. Unfortunately,
• 34:09
  Salem has a very racist history. Well, yeah. So does Portland. Yeah. As most of Oregon. Yeah.
• 34:16
  That people don't like to talk about. Almost as the United States. What's the United States? Where do we really?
• 34:20
  Yeah. Yeah. You know, the tracks for where we live. Yeah. But Oregon does, they don't like to talk about,
• 34:32
  but especially when it comes to the Asian immigrants, I feel like it's not spoken about a whole lot,
• 34:37
  unfortunately. So those tunnels were basically their safe haven. It was how they would be able to go
• 34:42
  from building to building safely and not get shot. Wow. Yeah. So I go to the grand. There is also
• 34:50
  going to be a haunted house there this Halloween season. There is. And not just like a haunted house,
• 34:55
  like we're sitting in right now, like a scare. What do you call it? A scare? A hunt. Yeah, a hunt.
• 35:01
  A hunt. I use a hunt, but a scare. A scare. I love that. I'm going to start telling that now.
• 35:10
  Actually, it's a scare. But you call yourself a scare actor. So it kind of makes that in my head.
• 35:15
  Yeah. We, yeah. People that work at a haunt are scare actors. You know, we spend our time. That's
• 35:23
  what we do. We scare people. But yeah. So you're sick in the head as well. You know, it's a really,
• 35:31
  really great way to get out like any pent up emotion. It is. I agree. It is.
• 35:38
  You could just scream as loud as you want and no one even cares. I'm kind of exposing any other
• 35:45
  scare actors right now by saying that we absolutely use it to get some pent up emotion. I feel like every,
• 35:53
  I feel like you can tell. Yeah. Probably. It's like, you can't scream that loudly and not have
• 36:01
  something else like going on. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. This is our second year ever putting this on. We are
• 36:10
  so excited to be back. We're back and better than ever. We are continuing our storyline from last
• 36:17
  year. So if anyone was with us last year, it is different. We're not just your normal like Halloween
• 36:25
  haunts. Just like jump scare type thing. Yeah. We are not just full jump scares. We are a half haunt,
• 36:33
  half theater experience. So like you hear like people have been doing like interactive theater more
• 36:39
  and more now. We're kind of like that in a way. Not completely fully interactive obviously. But
• 36:46
  you basically get to be part of a show. That's amazing. With like 15 other people. I love that. I love
• 36:54
  that it's not just even like watching movies. I saw the new Conjuring movie and if you don't want to
• 36:59
  hear anything about it, you can just skip ahead a little bit. I really won't spoil it. But if you don't
• 37:05
  want to know anything just, but it was like full of jump scares. And I think you guys, I've seen you do
• 37:11
  better than this. Like I know you can do it. And there was genuinely creepy things in it. But it was
• 37:16
  like jump scare. After jump scare, I was like, okay, like why are we going back to this? I'm not a fan.
• 37:22
  Like I need real skit. I like want psychological horror in my head while I'm going through a haunted house.
• 37:27
  I miss psychological horror. I'm so excited to experience this. I don't want to give too much
• 37:34
  away. Do you are you allowed to say the theme of the one? Yeah. So this year we are doing ghost
• 37:43
  hunting tours. We're basically continuing on the fact that we have been bringing people into
• 37:50
  the basement and ghost hunting. Our haunted is here is full on ghost hunting. Just ghost hunting
• 37:56
  tour. That is so cool. Yeah. So because last year we learned that there is this group called ghost.
• 38:06
  And we would be we would bring people in and try and unleash the spirit of the theater and feed
• 38:16
  people's souls to it and not not a real cult. But we were a cult. It kind of sounds like it.
• 38:25
  And so after last year's so much media attention has happened, they have been driven underground and
• 38:30
  are hiding away. So part of what we're looking for is hey are they still there? Maybe maybe not?
• 38:38
  Well, you got to join us to figure out. You got to go find you got to go to something to find out.
• 38:42
  Yep. Got to join us and go something to figure out if they're still down there. I cannot wait.
• 38:47
  We open on October 17th and we will be running for seven specific days at our last day will be
• 38:55
  November 1st. So so we we are going a little bit past Halloween. And then you can find tickets on
• 39:02
  ghost to the grand.com. Yep. I'm a haunting experience. That was so cheesy just kidding. If you join you
• 39:10
  just might as well see me there because I will be one of your many wonderful guides that will be
• 39:16
  bringing people through. So are the guides? Do the guides scare people or you probably can't say?
• 39:22
  Who knows? Anything enough? Where does it make sure that people are safe?
• 39:29
  Yes. Could you tell the one thing about the thing grabbing your wrist?
• 39:33
  Yeah, while while we're interviewing I was I was over in a separate room that is known to have
• 39:45
  children spirits in it. And I mind I have a necklace that it's not a true pendulum but I use it as a
• 39:54
  pendulum. It's perfect shape. It's like point shape for it. It's yet a little bird school.
• 39:59
  If you yeah if you can't see it it's like a bird school. Yeah. And so I was having just a little
• 40:06
  chat with a child spirit in there. And you guys were doing some like other filming around the house
• 40:14
  because this house is incredible. It's so cool. It's so cool. There's so many cool things in here.
• 40:19
  And I was about to go upstairs and hold which is before I started to my wrist was grabbed.
• 40:26
  And I was like oh okay. Hi. Because it was like I feel like wrist like that's where you if you were a
• 40:34
  kid you would just like grab like come back and play with me. Especially hearing you know like the
• 40:40
  children like to like try and give people's attention by grabbing them. Yeah it's really cool.
• 40:46
  Being able to be like oh someone someone reached out. Yeah. Yeah reached out to touch you like
• 40:52
  it wanted to hang out with you more. I think it's sweet. I love interacting with child spirits.
• 40:57
  They're always they're always so sweet. I feel like they can win me too. Yeah. Yeah. I need to remember
• 41:03
  to bring crayons to the brand because there's a child down there but that very specifically
• 41:09
  wants crayons. Okay. Bring them what they ask for. I do like to do that too. One of my favorite things
• 41:15
  about their own investigating and you know bringing people down into the basement is getting to share
• 41:22
  the stories that I know of but then also giving them an outlet to speak for themselves as well.
• 41:30
  Yeah. Yeah. Oh see they like that. They like to be out there. They like that. It brings me so much joy
• 41:38
  doing that because people think that when you're gone you know you're gone for good.
• 41:45
  Did you get touched again? Was it the fly? No it was like the whole press on my arm. Interesting. Yeah. I mean
• 41:56
  that couldn't have been your hair because your hair is like really light. It almost felt like it for a moment
• 42:01
  and I was like wait no it's saying hi it's it confirmed me. Yeah. Yeah. And that made me lose my
• 42:08
  turn. I forgot. I know I forgot what you were saying. Oh it's a way for them to communicate. Yeah.
• 42:15
  Oh yeah. What people think that when you were gone you were gone for good and we keep finding
• 42:20
  you know proof if you believe that or not is up to you but we keep finding proof that that's not
• 42:26
  necessarily the case and even if it's just being able to tell someone's story even just a little bit
• 42:34
  yeah after they're gone you know it's really meaningful to me. I feel like that should be more
• 42:39
  comforting to people than scary. Yeah. Yeah people people get so scared about the idea of
• 42:46
  paranormal investigating and it's really not. They're just us so you just can't see them. Yeah.
• 42:54
  One more thing too. Okay so we were talking about the hat and yeah and Vicki was telling us that
• 42:58
  sometimes the hat comes off the hook and it was just a hat hanging on a hook and you liberally
• 43:03
  would have to take it off the hook. Yeah. And what happened when you went upstairs? It was on the floor.
• 43:08
  I it was literally just it was just there it was like wedged kind of because there's like a little
• 43:15
  like door there yeah and it was like it almost looked like it had been like purposefully put like
• 43:24
  to like someone was trying to like get it under the door. Oh my gosh like hide it in the closet.
• 43:28
  Yeah. Get rid of this thing man. Like it actually could have just fallen that way but it almost looked
• 43:35
  to me like someone was trying to shove it under there to hide it. It was but we have like pictures
• 43:40
  of the hook and stuff and it's like oh like yeah you have to take it off it. Yeah it's it's
• 43:47
  perfect. So that's crazy and no one had been up there like Vicki cleaned up there after a
• 43:52
  guest and she said she hung the hat up or it was up and then yeah no one had been up there and
• 43:57
  yeah it was my first time going up there and we had just been talking about that. She was just
• 44:02
  telling us about the hat and then you came down really you never believe that. I never believe
• 44:06
  that's on the floor. We're doing tarot for the Delaney House.
• 44:19
  You may notice that we are back in the office for the tarot reading.
• 44:28
  We were having too much fun at the Delaney House and we ran out of time. I don't know that I would
• 44:35
  say we. That was arguably one of the worst days of my life. I know. Too date. I know. I was trying not
• 44:45
  to say anything. I didn't know how much you wanted to say but I feel like we talked about it afterwards
• 44:50
  and you were like I really don't know. Like do you think that it was the house? I'm just like I don't
• 44:58
  know either. I don't know. Because you had a really bad migraine. I did. Yeah and for the first time ever
• 45:07
  I experienced having a migraine and what I assume if it wasn't the house was a migraine and vertigo
• 45:17
  combined episode. So I was on a boat for like 36-ish hours which is very strange. I actually normally
• 45:27
  like being on a boat. I don't typically get seasick but when you're not on a boat and you feel like you
• 45:34
  are. It feels like you're on a boat. Turns out that will make you sick. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway.
• 45:41
  Just some of the fun that we can have. No Caitlin. God she was a freaking trooper. I felt so bad.
• 45:47
  We did our interviews and we did as much as we could but we're like we got to get her out of here
• 45:52
  because she was not. I was falling to pieces. I feel bad I even made you stay as long as.
• 45:59
  Well I mean gosh we're there. We needed to do our thing. What can you do? But so we decided not to
• 46:05
  do the chair over there but we I'm sure we'll be back there another time because we're besties
• 46:10
  now with Vicki. Yeah. So you know we'll be back. This isn't the last of the Delaney House. I'm looking
• 46:17
  at the camera but our cameras are not either because we didn't feel like getting ready today. It's
• 46:23
  a Sunday. Yeah. But we have the tarot altar so you guys can see our little thingies and the cards.
• 46:28
  Okay. I'm going to hand the oh I was like for some reason I felt like you were going to do the
• 46:37
  drawing. I don't know if I would trust my intuition in this reading. Because you weren't even I
• 46:44
  mean you were there for one of the interviews but I don't particularly know how there you were.
• 46:50
  Yeah. You can maybe see it on her eye. I wasn't really there for most of the day. Like I said I was
• 46:55
  on a boat so mother fucker. Okay let's do the card pull. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I was kind of.
• 47:09
  It is per day the page of swords. So I don't know the screen was a little dark but I think looking at
• 47:17
  it now you can you can see kind of where I pulled out the card. I was talking about it as I was up
• 47:22
  there not in front of a mic so. Yeah. But we pulled the page of swords. Yes. It was the page right?
• 47:27
  Yeah. It's so cool because it has it's this bird and I guess what we're going to find out what
• 47:32
  the bird is because we're going to read the interpretation book. So it's like a brown body like brown
• 47:37
  and tan body with a yellow head. And like I don't know what this bird is. I don't either. I don't
• 47:45
  I mean I don't think I've seen one before. It's very beautiful. It instantly for whatever reason
• 47:50
  reminded me of when we were seeing the drawing of their heads. Like the portrait drawings. Yeah.
• 47:58
  Daniel Daniel Delaney. He wanted a picture of himself in the house but they couldn't find one so
• 48:05
  they had drawings done of their head. Right. Him and Rachel. Rachel's head. So I don't know why that
• 48:11
  because like the head is highlighted here. So maybe think of that. That is really interesting. I
• 48:16
  would not have made that connection. Wow. I make really odd connections. That is what I'm here.
• 48:22
  And I'm really glad we had Chris with us because I was so out of it and your head. Yeah. Oh God
• 48:29
  that's such a good point. I was just thinking about it. Oh gosh. Thank God he was there because he
• 48:36
  was able to go and do like walking around like video footage of like the house inside and outside.
• 48:44
  And then I think he got pictures of the portrait. Because I think I definitely did. Okay. Yeah.
• 48:49
  I remember being like you guys I know enough to know that I'm out of it and I'm like I'll probably
• 48:54
  take some shaky blurry photo because I'm on a boat but I was like get a picture. We got it. We got it.
• 49:00
  We got you. I felt so bad because I just felt like so useless. I was like I'm physically here.
• 49:06
  Okay. But we all I mean God. I know our day is definitely feeling for you because like it said
• 49:12
  very recently I was also in tears from a migraine. Oh I like I feel so harsh. I was like crying when
• 49:20
  I love going my my friends had her. I can't do anything. I know and you know the worst part when we were
• 49:28
  unpacking the car and stuff and I was trying to bring down like the bins and stuff. We told her not
• 49:34
  carry anything in this. I know. Well every step I was taking I was feeling like I was like you know
• 49:41
  when you wake up in a dream and like you feel like you're falling in the dream. That's how like every
• 49:46
  step felt going down the stairs. We should talk about those head crystals sometimes.
• 49:52
  Honestly. Sometimes like yeah. Because that's crazy. Yeah. Interesting but maybe another episode.
• 49:57
  I know I don't know how you confirm for sure that like that's it. I haven't had it you know
• 50:02
  professionally clinically evaluated but what the fuck head what are head crystals? I don't
• 50:07
  know. Yeah. It's actually it's inner ear. inner ear crystals. It's head crystals. Really something.
• 50:14
  You guys I'm obsessed with rocks. We have crystals in our ears. Yeah. Right. Miner lose. Oh my God.
• 50:21
  You know like people say box of rocks like about like people that are you know. It's true.
• 50:25
  Dumdams are. Well that's how I feel. Anyway that is very interesting that like that's crazy.
• 50:32
  What's also and there's like a there's a sword on the card and it's like pointed at the bird's head
• 50:38
  kind of like towards the bird's head. Oh my gosh. All right. So page of swords our keywords are study
• 50:45
  vigilance apprehension. I almost said oppression and they don't know why. That's first with an oh.
• 50:52
  Yeah it sure does. Inexperience, curiosity and a message. Oh okay. I already was kind
• 51:02
  of super super quickly skimming the interpretation sections of this and I was like all right. Knowing
• 51:10
  what I do know about some of like the backstory that I'm going to tell you about the house and the
• 51:17
  murder. I don't know if I said this already. I'm pretty sure I did but the same the end of the Delaney
• 51:22
  house. Yeah. It's definitely not. You will be back. Okay. Pages represent study and apprenticeship
• 51:29
  and this card says learn to express yourself so you can communicate with sword like precision.
• 51:35
  It might mean you're exploring new ideas or embarking on a spiritual quest.
• 51:41
  If the page of swords symbolizes an actual person it's probably a clever and curious youth
• 51:49
  who hasn't yet mastered the power of his or her intellect. Oh we did talk about like a child ghost.
• 51:56
  Yeah. Yep. Definitely multiple children that are kind of associated with the house.
• 52:04
  Okay. There's another that's associated that I don't know that they talked about this person
• 52:09
  specifically related to like hauntings like ghosts of the house but it wouldn't surprise me.
• 52:16
  Just knowing what I know about the murder. Oh my god. I can't. I mean I don't want to know about
• 52:23
  a murder but yeah well I want to know what happened. You need to know. I don't know.
• 52:27
  The Aquarian Tarot for example shows a boy with his sword at his side. He hasn't yet gained
• 52:35
  the confidence to wield it. Okay. So yeah I just can't not wait. I hope that I will kind of remember
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  this moment when we talk about my. Okay. My part. When the page appears upright it may show you're
• 52:52
  thinking of branching out, testing yourself, embracing a challenge, perhaps you're entering college
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  beginning a career or starting off on a spiritual quest. Some of this kind of reminded me of us
• 53:04
  just kind of going in and it was kind of our first time bringing all of the cameras and equipment
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  with us. Yeah. We've got we've brought like you know the mics and things around but we brought
• 53:16
  us a full pack of the pot lab trip. Yeah cameras lights and we did like a really good job setting up
• 53:24
  and all like working together and making it happen. I know. I have felt like oh my gosh we almost
• 53:30
  need like another person because there's just so much stuff that we brought with us. What did it say?
• 53:36
  Like it you're like you're going to college or something. Yeah. Yeah. That's kind of what it felt
• 53:40
  like. We're like a kind of upgrading our and oh that's what it reminded me of. We were talking about
• 53:45
  like I was kind of thankful for all of the crap we had to go through setting up the studio.
• 53:50
  Oh yeah. Like all the camera issues and lighting issues and everything because then we just know like
• 53:55
  what can go wrong and how to fix it now. Yeah it's so true. No you were you were talking about that
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  and you were like this kind of feels old hat after after every oh my gosh old hat. In the hat that
• 54:06
  kept falling down. Yes. Yeah. I know. Another head. It's all about the head.
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  Naturally you're anxious because you don't feel prepared. You may not have used your
• 54:18
  sword on the battlefield but you've trained and developed the skills you need to succeed.
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  And I was saying too I didn't I didn't write an episode for this like yeah I went in I didn't really
• 54:30
  which is not usually what I do for an interview usually prepare questions and like research people.
• 54:34
  But for some reason I was just feeling like I didn't want to research too much and I just
• 54:39
  wanted to go in and like naturally ask my questions and that's what happened and I think it turned out
• 54:44
  like I just have faith that we could just go in and record an episode with people and it'll work out.
• 54:50
  Well and I think part of it too is like when we know that we're going to be kind of covering
• 54:56
  like a place from sort of two angles from you know the paranormal and the true crime it's like
• 55:04
  you kind of want to go in a little bit more clean slate because what like from your genre it's more
• 55:12
  like we want to pick up like the vibe and we want you know what I mean whereas like mine like in
• 55:18
  some respects it's like I can't really pick up a murder vibe. I mean I can actually but
• 55:24
  you may have yeah the last line says trust yourself. We do.
• 55:33
  Ruth there guys. In a reading about money the page can represent a message about a money matter.
• 55:41
  This card recommends examining details and information yourself rather than simply relying on
• 55:48
  others for advice. However it also warns against overconfidence ignorance can lead to losses.
• 55:56
  Oh okay is this something that you know about the case too that I'm not aware of?
• 56:01
  I mean there is a there is a monetary. You're right. I do remember that little piece.
• 56:09
  Okay. You guys. It's interesting the color of the bird's head as well. Yeah.
• 56:17
  I don't know you might say it could be gold. Yeah. It does it does kind of it's like that it's
• 56:23
  like a very bright yellow. I don't know. Gold could be treasure. I don't know maybe that. I don't
• 56:28
  know you guys could be nothing could be everything. If the reading is about your job this card shows you
• 56:33
  beginning a career that tests your intelligence and education. You may be starting a project that
• 56:39
  requires good communication skills or you may be refining your mental abilities and clarifying ideas.
• 56:46
  In a reading about love this card can indicate an immature or detached attitude towards relationships.
• 56:54
  Oh. I was just thinking of what didn't Daniel like cheat on his life with the housekeeper or something
• 57:03
  or not the slave. I'm sorry. I need to call it what it is. Yeah. Well don't don't give too much away.
• 57:09
  Well we kind of we did talk about it. Yeah. That's how it. Yeah. It'll exactly. Yeah. It's going to come up
• 57:16
  and I'm going to tie together some pieces that like everybody's already kind of talked about but
• 57:23
  interesting. Yeah. I haven't dug into like that specific aspect of it. How much could you even find
• 57:31
  on that? Like that kind of thing isn't it? He's wanting to keep a written record of that. You know? Yeah.
• 57:37
  It's true. You just kind of see what happened and come up with your own. Yeah. But we could be totally wrong.
• 57:42
  Yeah. But that was kind of my my thinking was I don't I don't know maybe in terms of just like do
• 57:49
  how much can we really I mean we can speculate wildly obviously. But like how much can we confirm
• 57:56
  about that? Like I wonder is there any truth to that and like is there any way for us to kind of like
• 58:02
  I don't know. Put any stock in that. I don't know. I can't wait to talk about it more and find out
• 58:08
  more of the details. Maybe there's something that will point us in the right direction. Yeah. It'll
• 58:13
  be interesting to see. Yeah. Perhaps you're harboring an unrealistic ideal about love. The page may
• 58:21
  also suggest you're not ready to commit to a relationship. You have other things to do first.
• 58:27
  Which sort of I feel like does it does sort of seem like that backs up like kind of your idea there.
• 58:34
  Oh, I was like oh it sounds like me. Yeah. I am busy. Oh yeah. What was the work? The one about the
• 58:45
  job because that kind of reminded me about Vicki being the homeowner and she rinsed out as an
• 58:50
  Airbnb and does like the tea say on nights and stuff. Yeah. She just so many like they host so many
• 58:56
  different interesting events there. It sounds like they've done the lawns and all kinds of different
• 59:01
  things. I want to go so bad to one. I know. If the reading is about your job, this card shows you
• 59:06
  beginning a career that tests your intelligence and education. You may be starting a project that
• 59:11
  requires good communication skills or you may be refining your mental abilities and clarifying
• 59:18
  ideas. Okay. Well, that just yeah. Yeah. It just sounds like women at work. I know. Just fast girl and
• 59:26
  it. Yeah. We were kind of talking about that while the while the husbands were running around in the
• 59:33
  background. They got to talking there at the end. I did notice that was very cute. Yeah. They had a
• 59:41
  little bit of a meat cue in the kitchen while we were working. The women were working in the men
• 59:48
  were in the kitchen. Yeah. How it should be. Okay. Well, should I see what kind of bird this is?
• 59:55
  I'm very excited to figure it out. I mean, my god, it better say. Otherwise, I'm going to do like a
• 1:00:00
  Google image search. It always does. Okay. Okay. Page of the woods. It's a horny lark. It's a horned
• 1:00:10
  lark. No, it's not. It's a horned lark. Horned lark. Okay. It's like it is not a horny lark. It's a
• 1:00:15
  horned lark. Horned lark that has no time for relationships. Curiosity intelligence inspiration.
• 1:00:25
  That felt like our whole vibe that night. Curiosity is like, I feel like the word of my life.
• 1:00:31
  Yeah. I think it's a curious person. It's so interesting because I feel like we go about it in
• 1:00:36
  like really different ways a lot of times. So I feel like that's such a key component of the show
• 1:00:43
  for us and kind of how we really reconnected. You know what I mean? I feel like that's such a key
• 1:00:49
  thing. Curiosity. Yeah. I feel like that's both like both of us really. Yeah. The rabbit holes
• 1:00:55
  we go now. I mean, oh my god. We literally just can't leave well enough alone. That's fine. I'm okay
• 1:01:02
  with that. I've made my piece with it. A quick wit. A fast study. Ooh, that sounds like all of us too.
• 1:01:08
  Eagerness. New ideas and perspective communication. I love it. The fledgling road. The high desert wind
• 1:01:15
  testing their new abilities and pinions. Pinions. EINI, ONS. Is that like a bird move maneuver?
• 1:01:24
  That's what I'm wondering. Okay, let me look. You guys can't see me, but I just made a sick bird
• 1:01:29
  maneuver with my sick bird wing hands. Okay. Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. Hold on. Okay. So this is actually
• 1:01:38
  I'm glad we look this up. I said it wrong. I have no idea. I can look at the Google
• 1:01:44
  pronunciation. It's like opinions without the O. Yeah. No, I mean the pronunciation guy that Google
• 1:01:49
  is giving me. I actually think opinion is right. Okay. It says the outer part of a bird's wing
• 1:01:57
  including the flight feathers. So it's literally part of the bird. So it's like when they first
• 1:02:03
  grow those feathers and they're learning to fly because it said the fledgling road. The high desert
• 1:02:09
  wind testing their new abilities and their new opinions. That is so cool. Perfect. Interesting. You
• 1:02:16
  can also use this as a verb and okay. I'm seeing an example here that's highlighted that has
• 1:02:27
  peaked my interest if you will. Or would you say your curiosity? Yes. Were we just talking about
• 1:02:34
  rabbit holes? So in the third person present opinions or opinion, it says tie or hold the arms
• 1:02:43
  or legs of someone. And the example sentence is the opinion, the limbs of his opponent.
• 1:02:51
  Oh, is that the maybe a part of thing that went down? Could prove to have some relevance. I guess
• 1:03:01
  we'll just have to see. That is so weird that we were just talking about how curious we were and
• 1:03:05
  that we just looked up a random word that we probably didn't think had anything to do with it.
• 1:03:10
  Yeah. Well, and how strange that a word that's really like when you're talking about like a
• 1:03:17
  the noun form, it's a part of a bird. And then it has this other application that's like sort of a
• 1:03:24
  dark verb. Interesting. Yeah. They measured their currents by their pressure against outstretched
• 1:03:31
  wings and experimented with the effect of feather positioning on airflow. Mastery would come quickly
• 1:03:38
  they expected. They could go anywhere. Oh, that is that just right there reminding me of a ghost.
• 1:03:46
  Like testing out its new ability to like go anywhere it wants in time and space. You know?
• 1:03:55
  You know, I actually and that makes sense and not to to give too much away, but thinking about this
• 1:04:03
  period of history that I know my part comes from in Oregon. Basically these are like the wild west days.
• 1:04:14
  We can go anywhere. So it's like that very much like it's that like settler vibe. Yeah. You know what I mean?
• 1:04:22
  It is. Oh, I really like this. This card. Well, even though we didn't get to do it at the house,
• 1:04:28
  like we we really wanted to like I do the house like get the vibes in the cards, but yeah,
• 1:04:33
  we took these cards with it. It takes the cards. Yeah. So it did I feel like absorb some of the vibes.
• 1:04:39
  So when I was I was cleansing the cards, but I told it to like keep the energy of what it had had
• 1:04:44
  at the house. Yeah. Because I didn't know what it had picked up in the meantime, but like I don't want
• 1:04:48
  to lose that. So when I was cleansing it, I was like, oh, the cards have not been used
• 1:04:52
  at the house. So I think yeah, I think it worked out. Well, should we do a good buy thing? Yeah, I guess
• 1:05:00
  though. Have a creepy day. All right. Well, do you want to give us a, have a creepy
• 1:05:10
  ass day into the microphone that I answered? Wait, how old are you? Can you say a, are you loud?
• 1:05:18
  You're interviewing me not knowing how old I am. Wait, how old are you?
• 1:05:23
  I believe it not. I'm 24. Okay, I was going to say because I made that joke about protection and
• 1:05:27
  I'm always like, rap it before you tap it and I was like, wait, wow, oh, this is so young.
• 1:05:34
  You're full. Okay, perfect. So you can say ask. I can say ask. Would you like to say I have a creepy
• 1:05:43
  the ass down to the microphone. Yeah.