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BOO HOO OnlyFans Model SOBS, Brings Pig Carcass Video to Court · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: Boohoo, an OnlyFans model, sobs and then brings a pig
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  Speaker 2: carcass knife throwing video to her murder.
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  Speaker 3: Trial hearing in court. I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you for being with us. Did a beautiful only
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  Speaker 3: fans model turned killer accused of stabbing her boyfriend to
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  Speaker 3: death in their shared luxury high rise condo?
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  Speaker 1: Why is everything about clinny?
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  Speaker 3: Whenever you hear about this case, you never hear about
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  Speaker 3: the dead person, the murder victim, according to the state,
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  Speaker 3: stabbed dead. All I see wherever this case is covered
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  Speaker 3: are shots of her, usually scantily clothed. Of course, she's
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  Speaker 3: an OnlyFans model, But I'm talking about murder.
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  Speaker 1: You know what, Let's get a little reality check. Listen,
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  Speaker 1: ma'am looking to me. You need to stop stimming on
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  Speaker 1: the iron. Give me the.
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  Speaker 4: One taking my arm?
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  Speaker 1: What is the address?
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  Speaker 5: What come?
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  Speaker 3: Do you hear the victim, Christian saying I can't feel
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  Speaker 3: my arm. I'm going to die. I can't feel my arm.
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  Speaker 3: I can't feel my arm. Those are some of the
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  Speaker 3: last words he ever utters. And now his mother and father,
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  Speaker 3: his family has to hear that nine to one one
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  Speaker 3: call over and over again. And let me advise you,
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  Speaker 3: this is not the first time the only Fans model
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  Speaker 3: has attacked her living boyfriend, a cryptocurrency trader. With me
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  Speaker 3: an all star panel to make sense of what we
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  Speaker 3: know right now? And yes, I know that in domestic
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  Speaker 3: homicide very rarely is the woman the aggressor.
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  Speaker 1: Well, this turns that on its ear straight.
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  Speaker 3: Out to special guests joining us today, Robert Crispin, private
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  Speaker 3: investigator with Crispin Special Investigations, specifically former Federal Task Force
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  Speaker 3: officer for the US Department of Justice DEA in Miami,
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  Speaker 3: this jurisdiction, Robert, thank you for being with us. You
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  Speaker 3: are outside the scene of the murder. Tell me about
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  Speaker 3: that building. I mean I was told it's a luxury
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  Speaker 3: high rise that charges thousands of dollars a month that
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  Speaker 3: has never had to say, a domestic violence case, much
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  Speaker 3: less a domestic.
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  Speaker 1: Murder in it.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean it's known as the one Paricio Building.
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  Speaker 6: As fifty three stories tall, it's got two hundred and
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  Speaker 6: fifty seven units on it. It's very secure, it has
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  Speaker 6: sprawling views of all of Miami.
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  Speaker 7: It's the in place to be on the.
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  Speaker 6: Who's Who If you want to be seen and you
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  Speaker 6: want to you want to come to a luxury place.
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  Speaker 7: This is it.
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  Speaker 6: It's about twelve grand to run a place here. You
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  Speaker 6: go a little bit higher, it's a little.
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  Speaker 7: Bit more money.
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  Speaker 6: But you're not getting in this place. If you're going
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  Speaker 6: to get hurt, you're going to get killed. It's somebody,
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  Speaker 6: you know. They've got security at the front, they've got
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  Speaker 6: a front bellman. You get into an elevator, you have
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  Speaker 6: to have a code, a keyfob. It's just not happening.
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  Speaker 6: But this is the end place.
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  Speaker 1: Here, guys.
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  Speaker 3: It may be the in place where who's who lives
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  Speaker 3: at twelve grand a month, but this is what went
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  Speaker 3: down in the luxury high rise.
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  Speaker 1: You think the neighbors knew what was going on along?
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  Speaker 3: What did they hear? What did they know? And they
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  Speaker 3: did nothing? And now Christian is dead.
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  Speaker 8: Listen, no no, no, no, no, no no, no, maybe come here.
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  Speaker 3: Just what's so extremely upsetting to me is this could
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  Speaker 3: have been avoided. You've got this only fans model with
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  Speaker 3: up to two million followers, and then you have her boyfriend,
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  Speaker 3: cryptocurrency trader Christian.
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  Speaker 1: Now he's dead.
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  Speaker 3: There's no way this was not foreseeable as a matter
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  Speaker 3: of fact, I want you to look and listen to
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  Speaker 3: as painful as it is. And a Joey's gonna see
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  Speaker 3: this too. I guarantee you this occurred before the murder,
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  Speaker 3: all right, And you got to ask yourself how many
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  Speaker 3: times does the victim get beaten before they set up
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  Speaker 3: a camera?
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  Speaker 1: Now watch this sober for two weeks.
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  Speaker 9: I mean, let leggo, let them come on.
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  Speaker 3: I'll shew, he's look.
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  Speaker 1: They fed up. We're gonna listening more. Okay, there's so
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  Speaker 1: much more of that.
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  Speaker 3: Never once do we see him lay hand on her.
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  Speaker 3: And this is what I don't get. Let me go
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  Speaker 3: back to you, Robert Crispin joining us in front of
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  Speaker 3: this luxury high rise where the murder went down. Robert Crispin,
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  Speaker 3: there is no way these tony neighbors did not know
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  Speaker 3: what was going on. They had to hear something in
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  Speaker 3: the weeks the months preceding the murder, but.
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  Speaker 1: They did nothing.
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  Speaker 3: I mean is see no evil, hear no evil, speak
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  Speaker 3: no evil. And now this young man twenty seven. You know, Crispin,
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  Speaker 3: my children have just turned seventeen. When they get out
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  Speaker 3: of college or grad school, God willing, whatever they do,
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  Speaker 3: and they find a girlfriend or a boyfriend, and then
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  Speaker 3: all of a sudden, I get the call they're dead,
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  Speaker 3: and everybody knew what was happening, and nobody did anything.
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  Speaker 6: I don't get it, so I will tell you and
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  Speaker 6: answer you that there were other complaints of them fighting
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  Speaker 6: from two floors above the twenty second floor to two
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  Speaker 6: floors below the twenty second floor, which were reported prior
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  Speaker 6: to all of this happening. And one resident was even
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  Speaker 6: the recipient of a tiger panther frame picture that was
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  Speaker 6: tossed out of the window, off the balcony out of
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  Speaker 6: their apartment and landed a couple floors down on another
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  Speaker 6: resident's balcony. He ended up being the recipient of that Soccuy.
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  Speaker 3: Did I wonder where that came from? Look at the
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  Speaker 3: video right now? Gee, a tiger print frame. I wonder
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  Speaker 3: who that belonged to. Okay, how did a tiger print
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  Speaker 3: frame crispin land on somebody's balcony?
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  Speaker 6: Well, I could only assume that it was thrown out
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  Speaker 6: the window and the wind grabbed it and brought it
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  Speaker 6: to somebody else's balcony down below. I'm told by residents
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  Speaker 6: that it came from their apartment.
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  Speaker 3: So let me understands you're saying that neighbors two floors
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  Speaker 3: up and two floors down could hear, yes, her beating
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  Speaker 3: on him and the wild arguments.
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  Speaker 7: Absolutely, and it was even reported to security.
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  Speaker 6: There's a matter of fact, Security also called law enforcement
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  Speaker 6: on other occasions about the domestics and.
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  Speaker 1: What became of that. Robert Crispin.
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  Speaker 6: So, if you watch the bodycam footage from the Miami
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  Speaker 6: Police Department, she meets them in the lobby and all
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  Speaker 6: she wants to do is take a restrain order against him.
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  Speaker 6: She wants them out, but she leaves it right there,
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  Speaker 6: and they said.
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  Speaker 1: That no, no, no, that is not exactly what happened. Crispin.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, an occasion, a prior occasion, she Clinty, the only
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  Speaker 3: fans model, did.
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  Speaker 1: Meet police in the lobby.
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  Speaker 3: You're correct, she did speak to them about a tro
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  Speaker 3: temporary restraining order.
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  Speaker 1: But isn't it true she said as she was.
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  Speaker 3: Speaking to them, Yeah, I want to get one before
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  Speaker 3: he does.
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  Speaker 1: She wanted to get the TRO first. It was all
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  Speaker 1: a ploy. It was her.
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  Speaker 3: Maneuvering and playing everybody.
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  Speaker 7: She did.
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  Speaker 6: She even asked law enforcement, is he on his way
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  Speaker 6: down there? And the road guys said we shouldn't even
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  Speaker 6: know what he looks like. So how do we even
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  Speaker 6: know if he's on his way down there? So she
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  Speaker 6: wanted to beat him to the courthouse to get that
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  Speaker 6: restraining order.
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  Speaker 1: Robert Crispin.
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  Speaker 3: As a matter of fact, I've got the video of
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  Speaker 3: what you're talking about.
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  Speaker 7: Now.
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  Speaker 1: Listen.
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  Speaker 3: This is from a prior event before the murder, where
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  Speaker 3: she was beating on him again and police came, what's this?
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  Speaker 1: I want a restraining order against? Can I do that?
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  Speaker 1: Means myself first? Because I know him and he would
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  Speaker 1: do it.
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  Speaker 9: How can I make myself first?
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  Speaker 7: We don't even know how it looks like.
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  Speaker 10: Who is How do we know that?
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  Speaker 1: Does she ever wear a shirt? Just curious?
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  Speaker 3: That's said straight out to Alexis Terescha joining me Crime
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  Speaker 3: Online dot Com investigative reporter Alexis, So, did you see
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  Speaker 3: the video I just played where she is perfectly done.
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  Speaker 3: She has not been in any sort of a physical altercation.
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  Speaker 3: Let me rephrase that correction, she has not been attacked.
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  Speaker 3: Let's see that video control room if you don't mind
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  Speaker 3: real quick, don't need to hear the sound again. Look
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  Speaker 3: at her, every extension is perfectly on her head.
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  Speaker 1: She's wearing a necklace.
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  Speaker 3: Her nails are perfect, she's not bleeding, no scratches, no bruises,
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  Speaker 3: Her top is on a miracle her everything's fine. She's
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  Speaker 3: even wearing makeup with false eyelashes Emma Scara. And she's
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  Speaker 3: asking for a tro and quizzing the cops, who apparently
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  Speaker 3: are fans, about how she can quote, make myself first
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  Speaker 3: and take a tro.
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  Speaker 1: Out on him before he can do it on her.
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  Speaker 3: He's the victim, and she's trying to out smart the
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  Speaker 3: cops and the system.
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  Speaker 1: Alexis and this is a pattern with her.
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  Speaker 11: They were constantly involved in problems with the police. Every
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  Speaker 11: place that they lived, the police were called, they were fighting,
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  Speaker 11: and she appeared drunk at all times, is what neighbors
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  Speaker 11: would say. They said, we would see her in the
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  Speaker 11: middle of the day walking her dogs drunk. He said
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  Speaker 11: that she was incoherent. They couldn't understand what she was saying.
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  Speaker 11: They were like, it's the middle of the day, what's
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  Speaker 11: going on, Why are you like this? Every time they
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  Speaker 11: saw her, she was drunk, And they said they would
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  Speaker 11: see him with her, and he would if somebody she
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  Speaker 11: was screaming, yelling, and they would approach and say, hey,
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  Speaker 11: what's going on? And he was never reacting, he was
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  Speaker 11: never hitting her. He would just say, I'm so sorry,
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  Speaker 11: I'm just trying to get her inside the house.
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  Speaker 1: So sorry.
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  Speaker 3: It was never That's interesting, as Chuck, because that's exactly
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  Speaker 3: what we're seeing in this prior bodycam video, the one.
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  Speaker 1: If I could get the control room to show the video,
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  Speaker 1: let's hear some more of it.
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  Speaker 3: This preceded the murder, and I guarantee you the jury
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  Speaker 3: is going to see it. It will be a called
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  Speaker 3: it will be what it's called a similar transaction. Why
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  Speaker 3: are they allowed Greg Morris joining me high profile lawyer
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  Speaker 3: partner at King Morse. In the Florida jurisdiction, a similar
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  Speaker 3: transaction is used.
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  Speaker 1: It is not the case in chief.
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  Speaker 3: It's a prior incident, typically brought on by the state
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  Speaker 3: to show motive, mo modus operandi, method of operation, course
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  Speaker 3: of conduct, frame of mind, and many other points to
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  Speaker 3: bring a similar transaction. A judge, here's a motion in leimony,
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  Speaker 3: which is a motion prior to it coming into evidence,
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  Speaker 3: so the jury won't be tainted if it's disallowed, and
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  Speaker 3: determines is it similar enough and within the time period.
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  Speaker 1: That is relevant?
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  Speaker 3: And what does it prove this video, this prior video
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  Speaker 3: is worth a million words.
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  Speaker 1: Mores.
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  Speaker 10: It's coming in and it is in Florida's William's rule.
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  Speaker 9: It's a federal rule of evidence four or four B.
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  Speaker 9: Basically the information of modus operendi to show intent lack
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  Speaker 9: of mistake. It just can't be used to show bad character,
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  Speaker 9: meaning because you got into a fight before you did
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  Speaker 9: it again the second time. But I think these videos
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  Speaker 9: actually helped the defense of Clenny from.
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  Speaker 1: Oh Dear Little Well, how does the video help the defense?
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  Speaker 9: Well, because what you see is one It looks like
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  Speaker 9: the video you just showed was set up, meaning a camera.
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  Speaker 10: Was placial aboutout it.
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  Speaker 9: And what I noticed from all the videos, especially the
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  Speaker 9: elevator video, differently than he was in the elevator he
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  Speaker 9: hit her in the elevator video, he laughed at her,
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  Speaker 9: the classic signs of an abuser. So we see a
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  Speaker 9: divergence in how Christian acts when he sets up a camera.
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  Speaker 1: I'm watching the elevator video right now. He's not hitting her,
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  Speaker 1: She's hitting him. She is I agree more to have
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  Speaker 1: the sky is blue.
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  Speaker 3: You'll tell me it's red, and you think I'm gonna
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  Speaker 3: believe it? Let's just watch what Greg wrs is talking about.
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  Speaker 1: Please. I want to just I want to drink it
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  Speaker 1: all in morse. You the veteran defense attorney, have said
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  Speaker 1: he hit her in the elevator. That's not what happened.
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  Speaker 1: I'm looking at it. Her off.
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  Speaker 10: Watch him smile like his face out.
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  Speaker 3: Let's start it at the beginning, control room. Please start
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  Speaker 3: it over.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, he's not acting like a Please talk about it.
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  Speaker 10: People acting like a victim. He is not.
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  Speaker 1: Oh okay, so he's not acting the way you want him.
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  Speaker 6: Tell it.
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  Speaker 1: Him beating her? Watch yes, yes, I don't care she's
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  Speaker 1: attacking her.
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  Speaker 10: Now Okay, his smile on his face, Watch his smile.
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  Speaker 10: Watch him smile in the.
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  Speaker 1: Video in her house that I don't care if he's smiling.
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  Speaker 3: Agreed, He obviously doesn't feel like he's about to be
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  Speaker 3: stabbed dead.
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  Speaker 9: But also remember battered spouse and or battered if she's
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  Speaker 9: claiming self defense, and she was for a long time,
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  Speaker 9: you know, two years in the relationship.
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  Speaker 10: That has an effect.
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  Speaker 9: And Christian is acting like someone who's not scared of her,
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  Speaker 9: not afraid of her. He's smiling at her, and that
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  Speaker 9: tells me there may be some information like the police
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  Speaker 9: Affidavid says. For the arrest warrant, it says he was
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  Speaker 9: also abusive. It says that it was not a one
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  Speaker 9: sided situation, the domestic abuse. So my point is, there
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  Speaker 9: is evidence that has been presented in what we've seen
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  Speaker 9: so far by the police that at least supports that
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  Speaker 9: he is not.
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  Speaker 10: This is all one sided, that's all. He doesn't leave
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  Speaker 10: the house, that's herd.
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  Speaker 3: The only evidence that he, the dead victim, was abusive.
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  Speaker 1: Is from her. What she no that said, that's not true.
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  Speaker 9: The Affidavid from the police, the Effidavid that was filled
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  Speaker 9: out by a first time homicide detective. According to the
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  Speaker 9: Affidavid says that it was a toxic relationship and they were.
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  Speaker 9: It was not only one sided. Although yes, the arrest
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  Speaker 9: Affidavid does lean towards Clinnie being the aggressor or obviously
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  Speaker 9: she was arrested for second degree murder. But you know,
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  Speaker 9: you were a prosecutor. Defense lawyers look for anything to
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  Speaker 9: be able to tell this show.
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  Speaker 1: You put him up places.
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  Speaker 3: You know what, greg, I wanted to hear you out,
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  Speaker 3: to hear what you could possibly say to make him
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  Speaker 3: the aggressor. And I said everything in that fidavit is
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  Speaker 3: based on what she said, her allegations. I waited for
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  Speaker 3: you to give me one shred, one scrap, once sentilla
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  Speaker 3: of evidence that he had been the aggressor other than
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  Speaker 3: her whining, and you gave me nothing as to talksic relationship.
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  Speaker 3: That doesn't mean she's the aggressor. None of what you
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  Speaker 3: just said says she's the aggressor. And you know what, well,
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  Speaker 3: let's see that video a lot more time. The video
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  Speaker 3: in the elevator that Greg Moore so kindly brought up
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  Speaker 3: for me. Let's just watch it. Let's just watch it.
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  Speaker 3: Where is he starting a fight?
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  Speaker 1: Nowhere?
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  Speaker 10: I didn't say it was starting a fight?
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  Speaker 1: What am I supposed to do? Believe you are my
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  Speaker 1: lying eyes, Morse.
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  Speaker 12: And only fans. Model is heard screaming in a frantic
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  Speaker 12: nine to one one call while her boyfriend lies dying
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  Speaker 12: from a stab wound. When police arrived, the social media
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  Speaker 12: star is covered in blood, and so is the condo
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  Speaker 12: they share.
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  Speaker 3: I remember investigating and prosecuting murder cases and so many
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  Speaker 3: other types of felonies, and I would pour pour over.
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  Speaker 1: A single mugshot.
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  Speaker 3: What if anything could I learn from that one photo?
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  Speaker 3: And you know what I just learned she doesn't have
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  Speaker 3: a scratch on her yet she's claiming self defense. What
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  Speaker 3: happened in that luxury condo? Listen to this nine one
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  Speaker 3: one call man?
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  Speaker 1: What do you mean?
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  Speaker 11: Hear that?
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  Speaker 1: One on her hilder? Now you call it man? One man?
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  Speaker 13: Call you want birth?
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  Speaker 1: Seven?
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  Speaker 10: Avenue her breath?
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  Speaker 11: One?
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  Speaker 3: Why is it so hard to believe that she the
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  Speaker 3: only fans model, is the aggressor the killer. Now you
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  Speaker 3: saw the mugshot I showed you earlier. She doesn't have
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  Speaker 3: a scratch on her. That is a stark contrast to
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  Speaker 3: what cops found at the scene. Take a look at
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  Speaker 3: bodycam video that we have obtained from the scene. Now important,
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  Speaker 3: look at her. They finally got a shirt on her.
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  Speaker 3: She's covered in blood. Covered in blood.
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  Speaker 1: You can't tell is she a victim? Is she the killer?
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  Speaker 1: Keep looking good? Gravy? There place is a pigsty. How
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  Speaker 1: do I live like that? Anyway? Look at her?
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  Speaker 3: There she is without a shirt on where you'll you'll
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  Speaker 3: have to pay at OnlyFans to see that.
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  Speaker 1: There she is. They've got a shirt on her.
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  Speaker 3: Her breasts are exposed. She's obviously making no move to
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  Speaker 3: fix that. Not judging don't care. I only care about
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  Speaker 3: the murder. But look, if you look at her there,
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  Speaker 3: you might think she's the victim. But then once they
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  Speaker 3: get the blood off her, they realize all of that
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  Speaker 3: is his blood, not her blood. Let's see take a
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  Speaker 3: closer look. Look at her carefully, no bruises, no cuts,
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  Speaker 3: keep it going, please control room. She even still has
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  Speaker 3: her false eyelashes intact. Okay Crime Stories with Nancy Grace
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  Speaker 3: joining me in all star panel. To make sense of
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  Speaker 3: what we are learning, I want to go straight out
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  Speaker 3: to doctor Michelle dupre Re, noow forensic pathologists, medical examiner,
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: also former detective with Lexington County Sheriffs and author of
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: multiple books, the most recent Money, Mischief and Murder The
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: Murdoch Dynasty. The rest of the story, she lived through
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: the Alex Murdog investigation and trial, but for my purposes today,
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: she's the author of the Homicide Investigation field Guide, Doctor Duprex,
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: I want to show you a video. Embrace yourself. You're
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: used to dealing with human bodies. This involves a pig carcass. Repeat,
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: a pig carcass that the defense brought into court.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: Could I see the video? Please? What they did?
• 21:14
  Speaker 7: Wait?
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: I'll just they've got an expert knife thrower throwing knives
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: at a pig carcass. Why because in the nine one
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: one call excuse me, a police interrogation, she Clinny says
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: she threw the knife at about ten feet. Okay, they
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: actually showed the pig carcass knife throwing demo in court.
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: I picked a particular segment of the nine one one
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: call to play for you, doctor Dupree, where you hear
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: Clinny insisting the victim, Christian was stabbed in the shoulder.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: Could he Christian have received a mortal stab by Clinny
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: throwing the knife at ten feet even the expert didn't
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: hit the carcass every time?
• 22:15
  Speaker 13: Explain when Nancy pickcarcas, first of all, because it is
• 22:18
  Speaker 13: very much like the human body, and so that's why
• 22:21
  Speaker 13: we choose that animal. It's very unlikely that she would
• 22:26
  Speaker 13: have that type of aim that would cause a lethal
• 22:29
  Speaker 13: injury from that distance, and for the knife to stay
• 22:32
  Speaker 13: in I don't know what kind of knife it was,
• 22:35
  Speaker 13: but a kitchen knife or something of that nature. It's
• 22:38
  Speaker 13: probably not going to work. And the expert here is
• 22:40
  Speaker 13: actually demonstrating that. I think that's very very unlikely. The
• 22:44
  Speaker 13: knife apparently did hit a major artery, which is why
• 22:48
  Speaker 13: it caused so much damage. Yeah, this is like a
• 22:50
  Speaker 13: state knife. That's very unlikely in my opinion, that had
• 22:55
  Speaker 13: happened the way she said it did.
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  Speaker 3: Don'tor j pray, what about the depth the knife went
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: deep into Christian's body.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: Hey, listen to this.
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: I want you to hear what she told police during
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: interrogation around the ball atom Mom.
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: And he's coming at me like you're going to grab
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: either the floor, like the knife or something. And so
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: I was just like, I was like, don't.
• 23:16
  Speaker 14: Get any closer.
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: Coming, I'm going to do it. And I met praise
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: ago before away.
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: Was she.
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: So well I would buy my praise And he was
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: like by the edge of one of his years.
• 23:30
  Speaker 14: So I turned to what I mean, I'm trying to
• 23:36
  Speaker 14: think in my head.
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: No, No, that did not happen. She volunteered that to police.
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: Doctor dupree that she threw it at about ten feet.
• 23:47
  Speaker 13: Nancy highly unlikely, and I'd be very very interested to
• 23:49
  Speaker 13: know if there was some bruising around that knife entrance wound,
• 23:54
  Speaker 13: because that would also indicate that she probably did that
• 23:57
  Speaker 13: with her hand with force. Again, I haven't in the autopsy,
• 24:00
  Speaker 13: so I don't know. But this is very unlikely that
• 24:03
  Speaker 13: she threw this at a distance of that that.
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: It was three inches deep. Doctor Dupree. Now, I'm certainly
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: no medical examiner. I don't have a medical degree like
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: you do. But it will be a cold day in
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: ht double l that she Clinny can throw a knife
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: at ten feet and.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: Affect a wound.
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: They goes three inches into his body with likely bruising
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: around the entrance wound and severs an artery.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: What is that the brachial artery in the.
• 24:37
  Speaker 13: Arm, probably the bracularr Yes, how.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: Can you do that?
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: Throw a knife at ten feet and sever and artery
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: three inches into the arm?
• 24:46
  Speaker 13: Again, Nancy, that's very unlikely. That is that's a stake
• 24:49
  Speaker 13: knife from the kitchen. I don't think it's possible. The
• 24:52
  Speaker 13: expert couldn't even do it. I think that story is lousy.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: If I don't been looking at a ste Okay, are
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: you married?
• 25:06
  Speaker 7: You stay right there? You stay right there.
• 25:10
  Speaker 14: I'm covering his b I understand that.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: Will I do it?
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: I wait a minute, that was only fans model Courtney Cliney.
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: This is just after she stabs her living boyfriend of
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: two years dead, a cryptocurrency trader, and she repeatedly asks
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: the cop, are you married?
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: Are you married? Are you married? What do you look at?
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: Something else that I find very interesting. Let's see the
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: video of her in the lobby a few days prior
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: to the murder. She's claiming self defense, by the way,
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: and she looks pretty blood until she gets cleaned off.
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: Hey Crispin, Robert Crispin joining me outside that luxury high rise.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: What are these cops? Fans? Look at them?
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: They're actually telling her how to get to the courthouse
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: first so she can file a tro before he does.
• 26:07
  Speaker 6: Yeah, listen her scantily, I mean listen, the way she's dressed.
• 26:11
  Speaker 6: Any man's going to look at him, even a cop.
• 26:13
  Speaker 6: But that's completely unprofessional for law enforcement to start giving
• 26:18
  Speaker 6: her any more benefit than anybody else, including a victim.
• 26:22
  Speaker 7: I think where she's going with the are you married?
• 26:24
  Speaker 7: Are you married?
• 26:25
  Speaker 6: Is she's trying to set the stage to let the
• 26:28
  Speaker 6: cops not think that she intentionally killed this guy today.
• 26:31
  Speaker 7: This was an accident.
• 26:32
  Speaker 6: Are you married? He's my life partner. I can't live
• 26:35
  Speaker 6: if you listen more into the body cabs. I can't
• 26:38
  Speaker 6: live without him. He's my world, he's my partner. I
• 26:40
  Speaker 6: think she's trying to lay everything out.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: Hold on, I'm bringing in a shrink. Joining me now.
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: Renounced psychologist, TV radio trauma expert consultant Karen Start joining
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: us from Manhattan at Karenstark dot com.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: Watch the video, Karen.
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: Stark, I've saved the best for a last that's you, Karen.
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: I wanted you to hear everything before you rendered an opinion.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: Look, you saw this.
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: You saw the elevator video that defense attorney Greg Moore
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: so kindly brought to my attention.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: You've seen her covered.
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: In his blood, and then when they hose her off,
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: she doesn't have a scratch on her.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: All that blood is his.
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: When you look at the dynamic, we're calling it the
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: Leopard video because of her skin tight leopard leggings. Not judging,
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: I don't care. I only care about the cod What
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: is your opinion?
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: What's happening? Karen Stark?
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: Nancy, this is so typical of a female abuser, a
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: violent one where you see her over and over again
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: attacking him. I also want to add that she did
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: attack him in the past. She kniped him in his
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: leg and they make reference to that. She's constantly telling
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: herself not to be that way, to try and calm down,
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: she writes in her diary, But she can't control herself.
• 28:00
  Speaker 7: A rat it She's.
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: Silent, and it doesn't take a lot to get her
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: to be this impulsive where she can't stop herself. So
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: when you look at how it escalates, you can clearly
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: see that this is going to lead to something that's
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: fatal to me anyway, because female abuses also tend to
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: use a weapon, they don't have that physical strength, And
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: here you go with her using a weapon, possibly even
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: throwing a frame at him which goes off of the balcony,
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: clearly cutting him.
• 28:32
  Speaker 10: In the past.
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: You know, I'm very curious about something you just said
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: about a prior knife attack where the only fans model
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: aka stripper not judging, don't care. I only care if
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: it's got crime scene tape around it.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: Okay, I care about that. Take that down. Months before.
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: The stabbing death, she Courtney Cliney apparently stabbed her living
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: Christian in the leg. Joining me is Kimeoline dot Com
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: investigative reporter Dave matt Is this true.
• 29:14
  Speaker 15: Yes, Nancy, It's absolutely true that they had a relationship
• 29:18
  Speaker 15: that was branded with violence, and even though people try
• 29:22
  Speaker 15: to make it seem as though Christian Obemseli was also
• 29:26
  Speaker 15: handing it out every time we hear and see anything.
• 29:29
  Speaker 15: In this case, it's Courtney Clinny as the aggressor from
• 29:32
  Speaker 15: her earliest days on planet Earth. She was the aggressor
• 29:36
  Speaker 15: when they first met. She was the aggressor all the
• 29:39
  Speaker 15: way up to the point where she claims to have
• 29:41
  Speaker 15: thrown a ninth ten feet but stabbing him. Prior to that, yat,
• 29:45
  Speaker 15: hitting him with the picture Frank's gas, anything that was close.
• 29:50
  Speaker 14: To her, she'd throw at him or hit him.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: You know, it's heartbreaking. I've looked at some of the
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: boyfriend's texts and one says, is love.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: Going to kill me?
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: And so many of these cases, Karen Stark I've had,
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: and it's almost all of mine, have been where the
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: woman dies as after a beating by the husband, a shooting,
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: a stabbing, and in those cases, Kieren, very often they
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: say that the victim says things like if anything happens
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: to me, he did it. Or if you can't find me,
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: ask my husband, or I've got an emergency key in
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: case you can't find me, and it's under the flower pot.
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: It's an eerie premonition, Karen Stark. And here you've got
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: the boyfriend stating is love going to kill me?
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: And Nancy speaking to what you said about usually being
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: the female who's the victim. That's why it's so hard
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: for people to accept that this female is an abuser,
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: which she is. But look, she's gone along and claiming
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: each time that she's defending herself, which doesn't We don't see.
• 31:27
  Speaker 8: That in any of it.
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: In addition, she drinks. She clearly is in some kind
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: of altered state. And she went and threatened a young
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: man who was eighteen years old after she killed this
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: boy who lived with her, this fabulous man who I
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: think was just stuck in this relationship and didn't know
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: how to get out. But the public has take sympathy
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: on her because they think, oh, she's a woman, she's weak.
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: She's not weak, she's very strong.
• 31:58
  Speaker 10: We see it.
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: Have to inform me.
• 32:00
  Speaker 10: The Christian did not make it.
• 32:05
  Speaker 14: Unfortunately, though doctors did.
• 32:07
  Speaker 6: Would be good.
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: She is dead. Oh my god, this is not real, right,
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: This is.
• 32:23
  Speaker 12: Not a who stabbed Christian case?
• 32:26
  Speaker 15: This is you know, we know what happened, Well.
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: We know part of what happened, so so, so much
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: better Wednesday, just say it's stable. Yeah, And I've been asking,
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: I've been asked, you know, but that's what we're waiting for.
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: I mean, I feel like the timing. You think you
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: think he's not. That's a lot worse for me. But
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: I think he's not.
• 32:48
  Speaker 15: Says a lot worse for everybody.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: My stars, this woman. Did you hear what she said?
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: If he dies, that's a lot worse for me, it's
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: a lot worse for him. Okay, now wait a minute,
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: Wait a minute. I want you to hear more of
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: what she says when she finds out she stabbed her
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: lover dead.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: Listen.
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: I cannot be left alone in like a room by myself.
• 33:17
  Speaker 13: No, I'm true.
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: I didn't know. That's not real, right, But who's Christian
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: and trition and dead? I know. I can't believe it.
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: It's all about her. I can't be left alone. Don't
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: leave me alone. Don't do this to me. He's dead.
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: Woman joining me. Alexis Tereschuk and Dave mac both reporting
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: on the case. Alexis Tereschuk, the defendant, the only fans
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: model wrote notes to herself about her abusive behavior.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: What do they say?
• 33:52
  Speaker 11: In one note, she writes, he hates me for hitting him,
• 33:55
  Speaker 11: He thinks my alcohol abuse is pathetic and I don't
• 33:57
  Speaker 11: have as.
• 33:58
  Speaker 8: Many friends as he does.
• 34:00
  Speaker 11: And then in another note, she says, stop putting your
• 34:03
  Speaker 11: hands on him out of anger. It releases tension, but
• 34:05
  Speaker 11: has long lasting effects on a self esteem looking in
• 34:08
  Speaker 11: the mirror, and is not acceptable in any relationship in general.
• 34:12
  Speaker 11: She also wrote, but now I'm just effing abusive. Why
• 34:16
  Speaker 11: is that I'm turning into an ugly person?
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: And so is he?
• 34:19
  Speaker 11: Maybe it's because of me, or maybe I'm finally seeing
• 34:21
  Speaker 11: as true colors. He only said he had anger issues.
• 34:24
  Speaker 7: You know that really matters.
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: All of this is about me, me, me, me. As
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: she's talking about her physically abusing him, that ends in murder.
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: And now, to Dave Matt, crimeonline dot Com investigative reporter
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: also joining us along with Alexis Tereschuk, David Mack, this
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: woman is so entitled that she can get away with
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: all of this and then con everybody, including police and
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: a judge.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: But what about her parents?
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: How does she suck them into her vortex of carnage?
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: What does she call them into doing.
• 34:57
  Speaker 15: Dave mack Well, the police did not grab Christian elb
• 35:01
  Speaker 15: Mouncelli's laptop after he was killed and knowing it was
• 35:05
  Speaker 15: left behind, and knowing that there was private information on there,
• 35:08
  Speaker 15: including information on their iCloud of messages between Courtney, her parents,
• 35:13
  Speaker 15: and her attorney. All of this is swirling around. They
• 35:16
  Speaker 15: wanted access open Selly's laptop so they could take out
• 35:20
  Speaker 15: or delete whatever they didn't want on their They knew
• 35:23
  Speaker 15: police wanted that, They knew police needed it for evidence,
• 35:26
  Speaker 15: and the family was all involved in getting access to it,
• 35:29
  Speaker 15: and they did. They actually were able to crack his
• 35:32
  Speaker 15: password and access that laptop. That's why they were charged.
• 35:36
  Speaker 15: They got in a mess with that computer when they
• 35:38
  Speaker 15: knew it was evidence and knew they were not entitled
• 35:41
  Speaker 15: to do it, knowing it was not their property, it
• 35:43
  Speaker 15: was the victim's property.
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: Oh man, to drag your parents into your murder case,
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: getting them to go and get the victim's hard drive. Now,
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: Greg Morse, lucky for the parents, the hacking case I
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: believe has been dropped. Why they because they found a
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: lot of attorney client communications, So I think the whole
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: thing was essentially thrown out rather than violate the attorney
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: client privilege.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: Is that your understanding.
• 36:09
  Speaker 9: That is so the prosecution decided to drop the charges
• 36:13
  Speaker 9: because the court did find and excluded a lot of
• 36:17
  Speaker 9: the statements that included her attorney. I believe it was
• 36:20
  Speaker 9: Clennie's attorney when she was speaking with the parents. So
• 36:23
  Speaker 9: the state attorney decided to drop that charge. And it
• 36:26
  Speaker 9: really wasn't necessary anyway. That's the example of probably the
• 36:30
  Speaker 9: state doing too much that can cause.
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: Look at her knuckles, Morse, did you see her knuckles
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: where she's.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: Been baiting him like a street fighter. No, no, no, no, no, no, no no,
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: it wasn't.
• 37:04
  Speaker 8: Maybe come here, I just sit o.
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: It took how many police two or three officers to
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: control her and get her to sit down?
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: Okay, control him.
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: I would like to see the crime scene photos, and
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: as you play them, I'm going to read to you
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: a text from the victim, Christian to the murder defendant Clinny.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: Now listen to this. This is what he writes.
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: The crazy thing about all this is that yesterday when
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: you stabbed me in the leg and you saw how
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: bad it was hurting me, and I couldn't walk, I
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: couldn't do anything, and you were telling me I wish
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: I could take your pain away, and I wish.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: It was me and not you.
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: It reveals how torment and he is over their relationship.
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: He goes on to state, I sacrifice my pride and ego,
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: telling myself how I don't need to win, just let
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: her have her way.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: And after he got.
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: Stick she beat him on the stitches and he says,
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: I've let go of my pride, my ego, I sacrificed,
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: and now he's dead Moose.
• 38:12
  Speaker 9: And that's you look at that as complete evidence against Clinny.
• 38:18
  Speaker 9: But what I see is someone who is not acting
• 38:21
  Speaker 9: like someone who is fearful, someone who he could have
• 38:23
  Speaker 9: easily left. There is a lot of information. Although he
• 38:27
  Speaker 9: is dead, he was stabbed. She stabbed him in the leg. Again,
• 38:32
  Speaker 9: you're you're having someone of all to a relationship.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: He's really amazing to me.
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: To Robert Crispin joining us outside that luxury high rise,
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: as it's described, how you can have it, Crispin, if
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: these roles were reversed, you believe Morse or anybody else
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: would say, Hey, she did look scared.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: She never right is scared in front of the people.
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: She could have left if the victim right woman in
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: this case, nobody would be saying that, would.
• 39:05
  Speaker 7: They Not at all? Not at all.
• 39:08
  Speaker 6: It'd be the big man killed the little woman, a big,
• 39:11
  Speaker 6: bad monster.
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: In the last days, the defense brings a pig carcass
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: knife throwing demo into court, trying to convince a judge it.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: Couldn't have happened that way, Well it did.
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: We wait as justice unfolds, and let me advise everyone.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: Clinnie and her parents, whose charges have been dropped.
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: Are innocent tonight until they are proven guilty in the
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: court of law. But if I were a betting person,
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: I would bet she will be convicted.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: How can you turn away from all of this?
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: The only person I know that can do that is
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: high profile lawyer Greg Morse. We remember now an American hero,
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: Sergeant Well Guzman Ponce, Municipal Police, Puerto Rico, just twenty three,
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: shot dead in a line of duty, survived by his
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: wife who is pregnant, and a five year old child.
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: American hero I Sergeant Noel Guzman Nancy Gray signing off
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: goodbye friend.