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EP. 46: The Perfect Storm in Pregnancy: How Prenatal Stress Programs Your Baby’s Nervous System · Motherhood: Aligned and Assigned

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Welcome to Motherhood Aligned and Assigned, where we help guide
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mothers from symptoms to solutions.
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We are Dr. Serena Kaufman and Dr. Veronica Schultz
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nervous system specialist, helping families discover the missing
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link in their wellness journey
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Join us as we translate complex health challenges into simple, actionable
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solutions for you and your children.
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your family deserves to thrive.
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Not just survive.
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we
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obviously don't know when you're like watching this, but if you happen
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to come across our, podcast or even our YouTube at 2:00 AM I'm gonna
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guess this is especially for you.
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But if you are that kind of person who wakes up in the middle of the
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night and is like scrolling, trying to figure out what you should do.
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Especially when you're just feeling stressed out and at this point in
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time, you're usually carrying a baby.
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I don't know.
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You might not be carrying a baby, but this episode is gonna be about
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prenatal stress, and so you're pregnant right now, scrolling at
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2:00 AM and you are feeling anxious.
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Maybe your baby's already here struggling with colic, reflux,
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sleep issues, or sensory challenges.
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And this
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This episode is gonna change how you thought you knew about where
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these problems actually begin.
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So what most parents never hear is that the modern pregnancy experience
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with the constant monitoring, the testing, the fear-based messaging, the
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like disempowerment, we're just gonna call it what it is, creates chronic
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stress that doesn't just affect you.
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It directly programs your baby's developing nervous system.
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So this is not about guilt, this is about understanding what happened and
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where the stress started accumulating so you can understand what your child
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actually needs instead of sitting here listening to a crying baby all night long.
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Mm-hmm.
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So this episode is for maybe prenatal or postnatal moms who felt stressed, anxious,
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or overwhelmed during pregnancy or are feeling those things during pregnancy.
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This is for parents whose baby struggles with colic, reflux,
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sleep, or sensory issues, especially those first time parents, right?
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It's like.
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There if you're sitting here wondering like how much is too much for a baby
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crying, you belong on this episode, and then families dealing with developmental
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delays or behavioral challenges or parents who sense something deeper is going on
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but can't quite put their finger on it.
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'cause the pediatrician is like, no, everything's fine on our end.
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So if you've ever wondered, did my stress affect my baby?
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This conversation is for you.
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let's zoom out for a second and I wanna take a look at our great grandmother's.
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Prenatal experience versus hours.
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And right off the bat when I'm thinking about this, my husband would
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say like, well, people just died.
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They just died.
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mom says that too.
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It's
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they
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Made it this far.
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well,
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well people died when doctors did autopsies and then went straight into
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delivering a baby and like create, created sepsis and those kinds of things.
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There is that.
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And then also,
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Technically that's also invasive
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Yeah, lots people died when we didn't understand the hygiene and sanitation.
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and then also when there are like, we've prevented a lot of mortality
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when a woman is high risk, we know how to help that woman and save the baby.
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And mom, we have there no doubt, but just
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Can I say something completely unhinged?
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'cause I literally just said this the other day
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sure.
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Yeah.
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My
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mom made that comment too, of like, we used to just die
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back then, and I was like.
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We also wanna look at the quality of life though, right?
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Like, yes, we live a little longer these days, but I know several people
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who get to like the last 20 years of life who aren't doing great.
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So just like, I think it's important that we don't just look at the longevity
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of life, but also the quality of life.
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And I feel like the quality of life has gone down.
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Mm, mm-hmm.
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I could see that.
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because we don't move as much.
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We don't eat as well.
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We don't live with our family, and so we is not as cognitively sharp, taking care
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of grand babies, those kinds of things.
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I
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the medication is like avoiding the problem as to why we're
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not doing those things.
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Right.
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Like a DHD, anxiety med, like all that stuff.
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So not to, I mean, just, just keep that in
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And like the life expectancy number.
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for
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a hundred years ago, or 200 years ago was a lot lower because of infant mortality.
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I don't know why exactly, I could look into this a little bit more.
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it was was,
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a lot lower, like the average life expectancy was a lot lower because of
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infant death, but people were living.
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into
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their nineties commonly, right?
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So any who,
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she's
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pregnant.
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She may have had four or five prenatal visits during her entire pregnancy.
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So no routine ultrasounds, no genetic screenings, no glucose challenges.
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And now today in comparison, we're having.
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12 to 15 routine visits if you're under standard medical OB care,
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multiple ultrasounds, multiple blood tests, glucose, non-stress test,
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high risk labels, all these things.
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So while we're monitoring like this, modern monitoring has its benefits.
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The message often sounds like something could be wrong at any time.
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Hmm.
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Right.
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And then we're layering that with work stress.
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Lots of mamas are working until 38 weeks, 40 weeks.
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Financial stress, social pressure, the constant like research spiral on Dr.
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Google.
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I'll put, I'll add in the constant stressors of, of social media, of creating
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expectations, to be the perfect mom
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Mm-hmm.
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Mm-hmm.
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And
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That's a lot of stress that our great grandmother did not have.
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Mm-hmm.
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There
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was a 2017 study, published in development and psychopathology, They
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followed mothers and children from pregnancy through age six, and they
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and they
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found that babies born to mothers with high prenatal stress had nervous
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systems that were 22% more reactive.
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At six months old, and they also showed 8% lower self-regulation capacity,
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increased risk for anxiety, depression, behavioral challenges as they grew.
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So
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just
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like before, they're even self-regulating.
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Teenagers and adults like these are already way more stressed kiddos
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Hmm.
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Mm-hmm.
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because.
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the
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The biology and physiology and neurology of development is that in utero,
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our babies are mirroring our nervous systems to know how to develop to,
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to, so their nervous system knows what to do and what kind of environment
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it's going to come into, right?
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So that's not me saying drop all your appointments.
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and
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you mean you can
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Free birth it
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rebirth it up?
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No, uh, not necessarily.
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Do... You do
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do you Honestly, yeah.
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Um,
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This is not us
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but I'll say like, my midwife appointments had far, I had one ultrasound at 20 weeks.
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I had a visit at first, like for my first pregnancy.
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I was like, insulted.
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I was like, you don't wanna see me until 10 weeks, 12 weeks.
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I was like.
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But then I realized, and I, this is what I told him, I just like
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the doctor does not grow your baby.
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You know, like going to the doctor is not going to guarantee that
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you are growing a baby, right?
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Your body knows how to grow a baby.
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It's been doing that for
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centuries.
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Mm-hmm.
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Well, not yours specifically, unless you believe in reincarnation.
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I don't know.
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who you talk to.
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Anyways.
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Anyways, um.
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today.
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I guess maybe I'm getting
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Anyway, and then another thing I wanna say is all of these things that we're
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testing for all the time, the ultrasounds and the blood panels and the glucose
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for all of these dis diseases we can develop in pregnancy, like preeclampsia,
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gestational diabetes, those things.
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They all have a common link, by the way, which is oxidative
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stress, which is stress.
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So
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that's like, that might be a, that might be spicy in itself of, of
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whittling everything down to stress.
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Yeah.
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And it's like we have these physiological processes to, and I go back to this
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time and time again before I go into like the physiological processes.
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What I'm not saying, 'cause I feel like whenever the average person,
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if you have not been listening for the last couple of episodes, you
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might need this reminder of like,
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we are
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are not saying stress is the problem, right?
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Because we just, we listed a lot of things and it's like we're human, right?
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Like that's just part of.
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Of living, right, of being a human.
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What we wanna hit on is the accumulation of stress, unprocessed stress being
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stored in the nervous system that can be linked to all of these other things.
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Stress isn't the problem.
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We're not going to be like, you know, quit your job.
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We're not gonna be like, we're not gonna tell you to do anything
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different in your lifestyle.
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Your body might, I mean, I've had several people will, where it's like, Hmm,
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are we sure we wanna keep doing that?
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But what we want to offer you is that.
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The opportunity to relieve stress from the body and have choices, right?
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are we making these choices out of stress mode and survival?
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Are we making these choices out of thriving?
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And so just keep that in mind.
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It's like I feel like every time I talk to a new patient about stress,
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it's like, well then should I quit my job and go live in a hole?
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And it's like, that would also be stressful.
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So like, no, you know?
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So just hear that, and then we get into the, the physiological processes
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of how mom communicates to baby.
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We know as a society that that's through the umbilical cord, right?
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We know that that umbilical cord is vital for nutrient to delivery,
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but it's also the neurological connection between mom and baby.
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So it carries biochemical and neurological signals from your nervous system to
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your baby's developing nervous system.
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So what that means is that your stress blueprint is your baby stress Blueprint.
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And I talk about this time and time again.
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That's not a bad thing.
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That's a very good thing that there's a ver various reasons for that.
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because that is how we connect.
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To our babies.
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That is how we communicate to our babies.
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That's how the baby knows what environment it's going to be introduced into.
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Because if mom is feeling a certain way, baby's gonna learn how to navigate its
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environment through the way mom feels.
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So if Mom is processing her stress and feels more regulated
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than baby's gonna feel the same.
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I don't know.
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I feel like we've talked about this before.
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Most babies with colic also have mothers who are extremely.
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Anxious
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And, you know, you
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can get to the point where the baby releases the stress, but it might
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come back if mom's stress is still there and still showing baby, okay,
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here's how we respond to stress around us and here's how we don't.
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we just wanna have the choice on how we're expressing stress
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and what we teach to our kids.
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Because if we don't consciously make that choice, and if we're not being, conscious
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about the stress in our body, then in the body's gonna make the choice for us.
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It's always gonna choose survival over
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thriving.
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Mm-hmm.
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When you say the colic can resolve, are you saying like, with care,
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if we unwind that baby's nervous system, remove interference, and
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then mom is still dysregulated?
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We can see other signs of stress creep back in because
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they're still mirroring mom.
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Yes.
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Thank you for correcting that.
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Yes.
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Yep.
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Not correcting, just, getting
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details.
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Yeah,
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Yeah.
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yeah.
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Completing that thought.
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Yeah.
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yeah.
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'cause we don't usually, college just doesn't go away.
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Yeah.
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Right.
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It usually kind of morphs and develops into their next developmentally
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appropriate phase of how they wave red flags in their nervous system.
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Mm-hmm.
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Yeah.
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So colic turns into, you know, constipation and then
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the constipation turns into.
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Delayed milestones and then milestones turn into, you know, behavioral struggles.
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And then, yeah.
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So, so yes, uh, Dr. Serena brings up a very good point.
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It's not, I guess in the, an example I was talking about, like, mom has brought
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baby into the office to get scanned to get under care and baby's feeling great.
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And then we see that things keep creeping back up because mom herself needs to get
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under care as well, because as long as mom's nervous system is primed and prepped
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for survival, so is babies for like.
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A long time.
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I feel like it, it's quite a while before, I don't remember what like the
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actual numbers are, but I feel like even in my own experience, it's like
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until like four, I feel like you share a pretty close nervous system with your
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baby until like four, and then all of a sudden now you're, now you need to
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use your nervous system to calm theirs because it's very separate from yours.
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No.
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Yeah, I could see that.
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I have a two and a 4-year-old who, she's almost five.
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And if I am like feeling wound up and stressed, we just
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don't have as good of a day.
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Mm-hmm.
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Yeah.
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And so I have to like step back, say a little prayer,
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Mm-hmm.
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and
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then we can have a better day.
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It's usually, it's usually me.
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Yeah.
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Hi, I'm the problem.
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Yeah.
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It's like, why aren't we having fun?
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Oh,
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it's.
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Should we dive into more of the umbilical cord anatomy physiology?
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Yeah.
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Right.
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So we, yeah, like Dr. Veronica was saying, we think of like, a lot of
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us know umbilical cord and we think of like blood and nutrient delivery
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And
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so it's more than a feeding tube.
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The umbilical cord is a communication cable, so it's carrying biochemical
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and neurological signals from your nervous system to your
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baby's developing nervous system.
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So if your body's constantly in fight or flight mode, these signals
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are what's being transferred, right?
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That's a lot of how the baby's going
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receive your
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stress.
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I think there's more to it than just like this chemical.
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Physiological component, but that's what we can measure and know, is that
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your stress hormones like cortisol show up in baby's, placenta and
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bloodstream when they're elevated.
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and we can, we can measure those differences too, between like
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moms who are less stressed and then moms who are really stressed.
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Hm.
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That's why it's important.
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So yes, we've gone through like the physiology of the placenta
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and, and I just wanna talk about like a little bit of brain health.
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'cause I do feel like there's sometimes people are still like, what
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does that have to do with the brain?
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Right?
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Like chiropractic.
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Nervous system.
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I'm confused.
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Why are we talking about that?
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So when, uh, we have prenatal stress, it impacts specific brain region.
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So you've got your amygdala, which is like, I like to call the
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caveman part of your brain, right?
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Very primal, primitive.
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And it's why babies startle easily.
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So if the amygdala is overactive, babies might just be struggling to calm down and
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it will appear as if they have high needs.
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So these are like your Velcro babies.
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Now I will say there is a, a, you know, a sense of them like
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learning how to not be one with mom.
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But there is a difference between that, like bonding and
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separation and like, full on.
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Yeah.
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And a baby, right?
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It's like the baby feels scared to not be around mom versus
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just like uncomfortable, right?
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So when that amygdala is overactive, we see that with baby.
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Um, this is when it's like
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no
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matter what you do, even if you're holding the baby close to you.
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they
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can't, uh, soothe themselves, right?
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They can't, they can't even co-regulate with you.
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This is when we start to see issues, you know, like a baby who is just
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kinda going through that separation phase will not love being away from
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mom, but then when mom shows up, it.
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They should be able to kind of regulate back down these babies with high,
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overactive amygdalas are the ones who even when mom comes back, babies can't
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get themselves to go from like, I was really upset you left, and I'm still
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upset and I can't figure out how to get out of being upset, if that makes sense.
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So that's how you can tell like a baby who's just like developmentally
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going through it and a baby who's like really struggling to kind
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of find that like the calming, okay, mom's here, I can calm down.
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And then you got your hippocampus.
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So the learning and emotional re regulation capacity can be reduced if
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the hippocampus is not, working properly.
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This is like your memory center, right?
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So the hippocampus is going to essentially be like, Hey, remember
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that time we did that one thing?
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we either loved it or we hated it.
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And so when your amygdala is overactive, your hippocampus automatically labels
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experiences as negative, right?
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It's like, well, I'm upset, so it must be that my environment made me upset.
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So I don't like this environment.
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So that's what the hippocampus is.
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Then we
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we got our prefrontal cortex.
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I call this the mom of the brain.
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So this prefrontal cortex is, is one of our like best processors
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and analyzers and, integrators.
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So impulse control and emotional processing becomes harder when our
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prefrontal cortex is underworking, right?
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So the amygdala and hippocampus, well, I should say the amygdala,
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overworks in this scenario.
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The hippocampus is leaving everything as dangerous.
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Your prefrontal cortex is basically like going on vacation.
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It's like we don't know what's going on here.
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Then we got the vagus nerve, which is when the vagus nerve is not working
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properly, which usually happens when the amygdala is over at working.
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You have low tone and this affects digestion, sleep, heart rate,
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availability, and immune regulation.
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So think like how often your baby is getting sick.
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So neuro neurotransmitter systems like serotonin and dopamine, I feel like we all
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know those are like our happy hormones.
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Establish stress reactive baselines and your baby can enter
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the world already primed for sympathetic dominance if that vagus
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if that vagus
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nerve is down regulated.
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Now, I will say the amygdala, hippocampus, and prefrontal cortex, I feel like
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is more of like your, Like emotional, maybe chemical stress in the body.
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Like those things are gonna be overactive or underactive because of the stress and
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the chemicals and the environment of mom.
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The vagus nerve though, can also be influenced by that, but that's gonna
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be one of our physical, the thing that, that really kind of down like
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it downregulates from the physical stress of the birth process, right?
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Whether that's, If we had, you know, forceps or we had c-section or like that,
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the vagus nerve, is kind of affected when we have more of that physical stress.
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As far as what I've seen, I mean of all of them are affected by the three Ts, right?
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The physical, the chemical, emotional stress.
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But at least that's what I'm kind of seeing because that vagus nerve
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is right next to that C two threads through the C two, I should say.
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that is when physical, when physical stress is added on top of prenatal stress,
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that's when we're gonna see like the.
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The quad effect of the amygdala, the hippocampus, the prefrontal
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cortex, and the vagus nerve.
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Do you agree with that?
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Mm-hmm.
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Okay.
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Yeah, because some people are like, well, does my baby even
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have a prefrontal cortex yet?
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It's like, like, it's there.
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It, it's
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It doesn't just like appear.
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well, it just is like very underdeveloped.
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And so does it have a safe environment and like optimal,
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capacity to develop as they get to like men like mid twenties it seems now
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it's like they keep pushing it back.
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So you might be asking yourself like, okay, what do I do?
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With my stress, you've given me all the reasons.
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I have stress.
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You've given me, you've told me what happens when they're stressed.
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And so what people usually do when they're like, when they've experienced
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prenatal stress and now they see their child experiencing troubles digesting
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sleep, emotional regulation, uh.
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Fighting infections constantly.
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they can't settle those kinds of things.
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Families are often trying, okay, let's change the diet.
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If they can't poop, let's like push these things, supplements, sleep training,
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behavioral therapy, occupational therapy, and all these things can help.
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But if the foundation of the nervous system.
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Dysfunction isn't addressed.
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It's like remodeling a house with a crack foundation.
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And we've talked about that before, right?
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All these other therapies are wonderful, but they're operating on a really shaky,
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dysregulated, nervous system, right?
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And so our answer is we can address stress through neurologically focused
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chiropractic care, which is really gentle.
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for
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pregnancy and safe for kids, which that's like a question I get all the
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time of like, you can adjust my baby.
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Say yes.
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It's so different than your TikTok, rackum and Rackum sensationalism thing, right?
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So what we do first though is like, let's see what your nervous system is
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doing, and we have three scans that can tell us what's going on, right?
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We have insight scans that can measure is your nervous system stuck in fight
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or flight, or are you adaptable?
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Is it suppressed?
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Are you really exhausted and fatigued and worn out and you
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can't even push on the gas pedal?
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Right?
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So what's your adaptability look like and where are you holding onto that stress
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in your body, which can tell us how to most optimally unwind what's going on?
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Right?
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So when inter interference is removed, when we remove all of that noise and dis.
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Ease in your system.
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We can restore balance to your brain.
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'cause we can tell your brain that it's safe and it doesn't have to be operating
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in that, caveman dad brain mode and it can tap into that mom of the brain.
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And you can do this in pregnancy, right?
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If you're feeling.
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Like you're really overwhelmed right now in pregnancy and struggling
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with digestion and sleep, and you're starting to develop warning signs of,
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preeclampsia and gestational diabetes.
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We can regulate your nervous system now and that can serve
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your baby even after they're born.
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Right?
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And if it's your baby who's struggling, let's get him.
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Mm-hmm.
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Yeah.
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I wanna hit on, uh, DR was like, this is not your normal Rackham
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Raum chiropractic for kids.
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but I also want you to know that we take that same approach with.
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Everyone, right?
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Like I guarantee you the kind of chiropractic you experience in our offices
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is going to be very different than most streamlined chiropractic because we're
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there, we're never a rack raum office.
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Right.
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So I feel like if a, if a parent is ever like, is this safe for my kid?
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There's a part of them that's like, I. I don't really think I
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wanna receive something like that.
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So why would I have my kid do it?
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Um, and that's fair.
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Some of the, the techniques I've seen out there make me cringe and
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I know what they're doing right?
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So like I totally understand that fear.
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but I always like to tell people, one, I can adapt how.
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I approach your care.
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So it's very, very communicative.
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It's very, very, like, if you don't like how this was performed or if you
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don't like a certain adjustment, we can work around it for the most part.
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especially as I work on building trust with you and get it to know your body.
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And it's, it's a very customized, very gentle, very specific
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approach, special to you.
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How I adjust you is very different from how I just, someone else, just depending
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on your tone, your comfortability, your body type, your build, your, you
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know, nervous system patterns and you know, we approach you where you're at.
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And so for the mom who's listening to this, who is stressed out, who is
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anxious and doesn't really want someone like yanking and cracking on her neck,
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most likely you have an overactivity that the scans are gonna pick up.
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And we're not gonna be doing that anyways.
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Right?
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So just know that like.
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It's a very, very different style of chiropractic.
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Still chiropractic.
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All chiropractic is great.
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but we still take a different approach to meet your body with where it's at, instead
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of adding more stress to it through an an
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and something that I, information I take for granted.
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This is like the simplest thing.
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Some women are like, well, I can't get adjusted because of my big
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belly, so how would I even do that?
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It's like, oh, we have pillows.
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We have little donut pillows that you can lay on your belly and not put pressure on
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your belly so you can get adjusted, which.
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Yeah.
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And like to me that's like obviously, but so many of them are
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like, oh, this is game changing.
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And it's like their favorite part actually.
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Yeah.
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You get to lay face down on your bet.
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On your, yeah, on your belly.
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It's like the only time you gotta do that.
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Go
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ahead and click the link in our bio if you are interested in learning more about
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the kind of chiropractic that we deliver, the nervous system scans that we give, and
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then also if you have questions, right?
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We both, I'm pretty sure we both do free consults.
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Yeah.
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So you can give us a call and be like, Hey, I'm not sure if
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this office is for right for me.
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And we will literally walk you through every step of the way.
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So.
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I said click the link in our bio.
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There is no bio on a podcast.
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Um, so go ahead and go to the show notes.
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You can either go to the show notes, you can send us a DM if you found
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this on Instagram, comment below.
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or you can schedule directly with, Dr.
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Serena at Vessel Chiropractic in Boise, Idaho, or me Dr. Veronica.
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Haven he chiropractic in Ankeny, Iowa.
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And our team would love to help you understand what's really going on
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and what you can truly do about it.
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If you are not in either of those locations, Iowa or
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Idaho, I states, go ahead.
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And I think in the show notes we also have the PX docs directory,
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so you can find a PX doc near you.
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And we all are trained in certified by the same guy, right?
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So we all have the same level and standard of care and you'll be very
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taken care of no matter where you go.
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I'll pray out.
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Dear Lord, thank you for the gift you've given us to help create life.
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Uh, thank you for allowing us to be the shepherds for, uh, our children
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and guiding them into, to everything they'll do in life, including
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having a regulated nervous system.
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if we have the opportunity to do that really well,
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we don't even
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I pray.
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Amen.
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Amen.
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Thank you for joining us on Motherhood Aligned and Assigned.
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We hope today's episode helped you connect the dots in your family's health journey.
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Remember, this is where nervous system health meets motherhood wisdom.
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Until next time, we're Dr. Veronica Shilts.
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Serena Kaman supporting you as you nurture your family's wellbeing?
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Because when you're aligned, everyone thrives.
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Everyone,
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Everyone.