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Breathing Expert James Nestor _ This Past Weekend w_ Theo Von _641(M4A_128K) · Drawn of History

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  Speaker 1: Just a reminder, guys, you can now watch video versions
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  Speaker 1: of our episodes on Spotify as well. Today's guest is
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  Speaker 1: a best-selling author and scientific journalist. He's known for his
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  Speaker 1: expertise on breathing and breath work. He just published a
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  Speaker 1: new edition of his book, Breath, The New Science of
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  Speaker 1: a Lost Art. I'm going to learn a lot, and
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  Speaker 1: so are you. Today's guest is Mr. James Nestor. Shut up!
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  Speaker 1: James Nestor, good to see you today, brother.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for having me.
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  Speaker 1: You bet. You have a new, a revised edition of
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  Speaker 1: your New York Times bestseller, Breath, the new science of
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  Speaker 1: a lost art.
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  Speaker 2: That's it.
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  Speaker 1: And you believe that how we breathe can change every
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  Speaker 1: aspect of our lives.
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  Speaker 2: I don't believe this. I know this. And not every aspect,
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  Speaker 2: but many aspects, many aspects that people would not suspect.
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  Speaker 2: So it can change our athletic performance, vastly improve it.
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  Speaker 2: It can allow us to sleep better. It can allow
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  Speaker 2: us to think better, have better sex, if you're into
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  Speaker 2: that kind of thing. A whole bunch of other measurable
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  Speaker 2: improvements to our lives, and nobody's really thinking about it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I guess it's something that we just don't think about
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  Speaker 2: very often. You know, it's just, it's odd because it's
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  Speaker 2: happening all the time, but it's not on the front
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  Speaker 2: of our brains. We don't think about it because we've
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  Speaker 2: evolved not to think about it, which is great. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: if we had to think about every single breath we
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  Speaker 2: were taking all the time, how awful that would be.
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  Speaker 2: But it works in the background. And the problem is
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  Speaker 2: we develop really bad habits and those habits start working
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  Speaker 2: on the background. And we don't notice that those negative
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  Speaker 2: breathing habits are affecting how often we get headaches, how
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  Speaker 2: tired we are. the amount of cavities that we're getting,
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  Speaker 2: on and on and on. And so people just don't
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  Speaker 2: think about it because they don't need to. But if
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  Speaker 2: they would start to and start taking conscious control of this,
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  Speaker 2: we know it has vast improvements.
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  Speaker 1: Is that why you call it a lost art?
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  Speaker 2: It's a lost art, yeah, because ancient cultures, you look
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  Speaker 2: back in ancient Hindu cultures, ancient Chinese cultures, even ancient
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  Speaker 2: Native American cultures, they all celebrated breathing as a medicine.
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  Speaker 2: This was something they really focused on. It was as
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  Speaker 2: essential as the food you were eating or the amount
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  Speaker 2: of exercise you were getting.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because it really is a diet for your lungs.
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  Speaker 2: It's a diet. We get most of our energy from air,
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  Speaker 2: not from food and not from drink, from air. I
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  Speaker 2: can prove this. If you hold your breath for six minutes,
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  Speaker 2: you're going to go unconscious, right? Your body's going to
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  Speaker 2: start to shut down. But you can go without food
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  Speaker 2: for how long? 40 days, something? You can go without
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  Speaker 2: water for... maybe a week and a half or so.
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  Speaker 2: But if you go without breathing for a few minutes,
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  Speaker 2: you're gone.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, yeah, you don't even think about that, how
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  Speaker 1: crucial it is, how crucial of a supplement it is
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  Speaker 1: to every moment of our lives. I know you have
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  Speaker 1: so many amazing practices that you've taught people, and I
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  Speaker 1: want to learn some of those. Take me a little
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  Speaker 1: bit through the history of breathing. What were some of
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  Speaker 1: the first cultures that really focused on breath work?
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  Speaker 2: So around 2,500 years ago, ancient Hindus were doing this.
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  Speaker 2: And they believed that if you breathed in certain way,
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  Speaker 2: then you could get more prana, more life force into
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  Speaker 2: your body. So they developed all of these crazy ways
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  Speaker 2: to breathe that we still do today in some classes.
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  Speaker 2: The ancient Chinese at the same time, their practice of
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  Speaker 2: qigong can be translated to breath work. That's what it means,
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  Speaker 2: or energy work. And so these qigong exercises were built
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  Speaker 2: on taking all the energy that's outside of us deep
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  Speaker 2: within us, right? And concentrating it and using that energy
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  Speaker 2: to better our health. So these things have been around
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  Speaker 2: for thousands and thousands of years and probably well before that,
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  Speaker 2: but that's the first written document, right? That established how
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  Speaker 2: to breathe in certain ways to have certain benefits.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that it seems like it should be something that
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  Speaker 1: should be taught in our schools then, that it should
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  Speaker 1: be just as basic as learning a spell. Or to read.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, because that's like your lungs reading the universe.
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  Speaker 1: It's like your body reading the universe moment to moment.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of things that should be taught
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  Speaker 2: at our schools, right? Nutrition, exercise, like staying away from
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  Speaker 2: electronic devices at night. So, but I would put, we
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  Speaker 2: talk a lot about that, right? At least this is
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  Speaker 2: in the public consciousness right now, right? So we're having
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  Speaker 2: these discussions. Nobody's talking about breathing. And even though kids,
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  Speaker 2: you can look at a kid about, there's a 50%
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  Speaker 2: chance they are breathing through their mouth. There's around a
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  Speaker 2: 90% chance they are breathing dysfunctionally. And so if you're
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  Speaker 2: breathing this way, it's going to affect your ability to focus.
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  Speaker 2: It's going to affect your oral health. We've also found
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  Speaker 2: if you're breathing dysfunctionally at night, you have something called
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  Speaker 2: sleep disorder breathing. It affects how tall you're going to
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  Speaker 2: grow and affects your facial structure. all of these things.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't hear anybody talking about this. I thought
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  Speaker 2: that there would... I was so idiotic when this book
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  Speaker 2: first came out. I was talking at medical schools. I
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  Speaker 2: was blasting this message all around. I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: I'm really going to make some change here. I was
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  Speaker 2: completely ignorant. Nothing's changed. So people have to take this
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  Speaker 2: information and do it for themselves, because I don't trust
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  Speaker 2: governments to really get this information out the way it
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  Speaker 2: should be distributed and accepted and understood.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, they just finished remodeling the food pyramid, you know?
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  Speaker 1: So I think it's like, you know, it takes a
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  Speaker 1: while for them to change shape, apparently. You said oral hygiene, that's,
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  Speaker 1: and you mentioned cavities earlier. Take me through that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I was reading, a lot of my job
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  Speaker 2: is spending time in these really creepy medical libraries, right?
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  Speaker 2: And looking through old literature to see what we were
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  Speaker 2: saying way back when, to see if it's right today.
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  Speaker 2: And so many different dentists and different people in medicine,
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  Speaker 2: 100 years ago, 120 years ago, were saying the number
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  Speaker 2: one cause of cavities wasn't sugar, it wasn't carbohydrates, it
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  Speaker 2: was mouth breathing. And I said, huh, I guess those
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  Speaker 2: guys were just old, they were stupid, right? But now
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  Speaker 2: the majority of dentists I talk to who study the
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  Speaker 2: airway say the number one cause of cavities is mouth breathing.
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  Speaker 2: If you look at 50% of kids are mouth breathing.
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  Speaker 2: That's a high range. But around half of kids are
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  Speaker 2: mouth breathing, especially at night. Most kids are mouth breathing
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  Speaker 2: at night. To think that this could be the number
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  Speaker 2: one cause of their cavities, this is information I would
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  Speaker 2: think parents would want to know about.
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  Speaker 1: It would be on billboards, you would think. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: that's huge. And the money that they would save them
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  Speaker 1: by taking care of their kids' breathing practices. What's causing
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  Speaker 1: kids to mouth breathe that much?
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  Speaker 2: So we're born as perfect breathers, right? A healthy baby.
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  Speaker 2: Look at a healthy baby. It's a beautiful thing. Every breath,
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  Speaker 2: their stomachs. moving out, they exhale, the stomach comes in again,
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  Speaker 2: they're breathing in and out of their nose because healthy
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  Speaker 2: babies learn how to do this because they're breastfeeding so often.
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  Speaker 2: If you're gonna be feeding and breathing, that's the only
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  Speaker 2: way to do.
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  Speaker 1: It, right? Right, you have something in your mouth, you
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  Speaker 1: have to breathe through your nose.
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  Speaker 2: Breathing in and out of your nose. So we lose
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  Speaker 2: this at around the age of five to six when
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  Speaker 2: we start going to school and start sitting up, spend
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  Speaker 2: 90% of our time indoors. that environment is not conducive
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  Speaker 2: to breathing. It's against our evolution. It's against what we
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  Speaker 2: have become adapted to be doing. So one of the
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  Speaker 2: first thing that happens is our breathing starts going into
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  Speaker 2: the mouth because we tend to have allergies, right? Usually
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  Speaker 2: happens when a kid gets sick and they get congested.
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  Speaker 2: So we have a mouth, it's cool. You can breathe
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  Speaker 2: out of your mouth whenever you want, but that becomes
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  Speaker 2: the default. Mouth breathing is supposed to be an emergency pathway,
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  Speaker 2: not the default. And then the kid just remains a
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  Speaker 2: mouth breather on and on and on throughout their youth.
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  Speaker 2: I was one of these kids. And they found that
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  Speaker 2: if you mouth breathe for long enough, it changes your
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  Speaker 2: facial shape and it doesn't allow your mouth to grow
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  Speaker 2: as wide as it should.
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  Speaker 1: And then I guess if like cranially or the shape
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  Speaker 1: of our mouths aren't growing fully, then it would affect
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  Speaker 1: the way that our teeth are.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so if your mouth is open all the time,
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  Speaker 2: You have this upper palate here that tends to grow up.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a great example, which is like completely malocclusion, which
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  Speaker 2: is why I had teeth pulled and braces and headgear
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  Speaker 2: and all that crap. So when the mouth is too small,
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  Speaker 2: teeth have nowhere to grow. So they grow in crooked.
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  Speaker 2: That's why we have crooked teeth. People say, oh, it's
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  Speaker 2: a tooth problem. It's a mouth problem. And if you
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  Speaker 2: have a mouth that's too small for your teeth, what's
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  Speaker 2: going to happen to the airway? It's harder to breathe. Meanwhile,
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  Speaker 2: that upper palate of your mouth keeps growing up, and
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  Speaker 2: it takes away real estate from your sinus passages, which
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  Speaker 2: makes it harder to breathe through your nose. So all
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  Speaker 2: these things happen at once. This is not some crazy
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  Speaker 2: hypothesis or whatever. This is documented research. This is data.
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  Speaker 2: And if you don't believe me, go look at an
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  Speaker 2: ancient skull from 1,000 years ago, 2,000 years ago, 10,000
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  Speaker 2: years ago. They all have perfectly straight teeth. All of
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  Speaker 2: our ancestors had straight teeth.
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  Speaker 1: That's a great point. You never see one of those, like,
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  Speaker 1: archaeological digs, and they dig everybody up, and they're all
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  Speaker 1: wearing braces.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, braces, crooked teeth, mouth breathers. Yeah, and the big headgear.
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  Speaker 1: Like, yeah, you would be— look at this guy right here.
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  Speaker 1: This is just random skull. First one we pulled up.
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  Speaker 1: Beautiful grill.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, beautiful. And check out his— I mean, not only are
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  Speaker 2: his teeth straight, but look at the jaw size. So
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  Speaker 2: this is an enormous airway that this guy has. Big
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  Speaker 2: Macs only in there. It would be— It would be
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  Speaker 2: hard for him to suffer from snoring and sleep apnea,
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  Speaker 2: even some forms of sleep apnea, unless he was morbidly obese,
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  Speaker 2: which he wasn't because our ancestors... weren't morbidly obese.
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  Speaker 1: And so what could a parent do, right? A parent
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  Speaker 1: that their kid is getting to that five, six-year-old age,
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  Speaker 1: what could they do in order to keep their child
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  Speaker 1: breathing through their nose or to help encourage that?
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  Speaker 2: The smartest thing to do is to look at your
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  Speaker 2: child sleeping. And it doesn't matter if this kid is
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  Speaker 2: three months old or a year, year and a half, two, three, whatever.
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  Speaker 2: If you can hear them breathing, there is a big problem.
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  Speaker 2: That means the child is struggling to breathe. And if
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  Speaker 2: a baby is sleeping 12 hours a night, right? That's
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  Speaker 2: how a good baby, that's how often they're sleeping and
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  Speaker 2: how much they're sleeping. If they're struggling during that time,
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  Speaker 2: it is going to have downstream effects on their brain development,
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  Speaker 2: on their physical development. on so many other aspects of
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  Speaker 2: their health. And we know this, these are facts. So
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  Speaker 2: first of all, listen, if you can hear the breathing,
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  Speaker 2: huge red flag. Another thing you can do is you
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  Speaker 2: can creep up to the bed or the cradle or
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  Speaker 2: whatever and see if they are breathing in and out
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  Speaker 2: through the mouth. That's a problem and you have to
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  Speaker 2: figure it out. So I can't offer a blanket prescription
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  Speaker 2: because every kid is different, but I would highly suggest
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  Speaker 2: parents go see a pediatric dentist with experience in airway health.
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  Speaker 2: They can assess the kid's issue and they can fix it.
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  Speaker 2: And what I've found is if you fix it early
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  Speaker 2: enough and allow that mouth to grow the size it's
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  Speaker 2: supposed to be growing, guess what happens? No braces, teeth
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  Speaker 2: growing straight, no other breathing problems, nasal breather, better facial profile,
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  Speaker 2: the musculature and the skeleture develop properly, and you have
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  Speaker 2: a healthier kid. So if you front load some of
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  Speaker 2: that work early, You don't have to worry about any
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  Speaker 2: of that stuff that I had to go through and
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  Speaker 2: so many other people had to go through later on.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Some people have to get the real, you know,
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  Speaker 1: they'll get the big braces. They'll get, I had a dude,
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  Speaker 1: they had like braces. They knew it hooked even to
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  Speaker 1: his suspenders. It seemed like it was like this kid is,
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  Speaker 1: they're pulling him up and down. You think about what
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  Speaker 1: those things do too.
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  Speaker 2: And this is something I never thought about it before
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  Speaker 2: because I always thought like science research, it's always moving forward.
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  Speaker 2: We're getting better and better and better. But what they
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  Speaker 2: used to do for kids 100 years ago, 120 years ago,
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  Speaker 2: is with a kid with a mouth that was so
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  Speaker 2: small that the teeth were growing and crooked and they
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  Speaker 2: had airway problems, what would you do? You would expand
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  Speaker 2: the mouth, right? Bigger mouth, teeth growing straight, you can
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  Speaker 2: breathe better. But when I was growing up around the 1940s,
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  Speaker 2: they industrialized dentistry. And what they did was the same
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  Speaker 2: treatment for everybody. Bring you in there, we're gonna start
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  Speaker 2: pulling teeth, And then we're gonna take those remaining teeth
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  Speaker 2: and we're gonna crane them. It's like foot binding, like
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  Speaker 2: that old Chinese practice of foot binding, right? We're gonna
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  Speaker 2: crane them in. So as the rest of the head
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  Speaker 2: and face is growing, the mouth gets smaller and smaller
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  Speaker 2: and smaller.
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  Speaker 1: That's a great point. If you have braces on a
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  Speaker 1: youngish child, it's holding their teeth in one space while
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  Speaker 1: the rest of their face is growing.
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  Speaker 2: It's exactly what's happened. And that's why you have so
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  Speaker 2: many people with these retronathic profile. I'm a perfect example
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  Speaker 2: of this. Baby mouths, they call them. My brother never
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  Speaker 2: had braces, right? And he has a completely different profile
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  Speaker 2: than me. He has a completely different mouth than I do. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: he can probably get through a salad in six minutes.
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  Speaker 2: He can chomp away. Me, I'm taking a long time, 30,
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  Speaker 2: 40 minutes, pissing off everyone around me, but that's just
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  Speaker 2: how it is. So you can't go back in time.
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  Speaker 2: I can't do anything about this now, but what you
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  Speaker 2: can do is educate people now so their kids don't
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  Speaker 2: have to go through the the braces and headgear tied
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  Speaker 2: to your suspenders or your pants or whatever. You don't
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  Speaker 2: have to do that. Like, this is a choice. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: this kid was very dangerous. I remember if he sneezed,
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  Speaker 2: he would moon everybody. Like, what's wrong with our species
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  Speaker 2: that that's what we've come to? And if you look
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  Speaker 2: at 200 years ago, no one was getting that. If
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  Speaker 2: you look at indigenous cultures right now, people say, oh,
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  Speaker 2: this is just human evolution. Our mouths are growing smaller.
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  Speaker 2: Look at the Hazda, right, in Africa, who have never
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  Speaker 2: had anything industrialized. They eat a lot of meat. They
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  Speaker 2: drink cow's blood. This is their main thing. Their teeth
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  Speaker 2: are perfect, and their facial profile is perfect, and their
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  Speaker 2: mouths are wide.
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  Speaker 1: Bring that up. When did we start to put braces
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  Speaker 1: in the children's mouths? It's pretty fascinating. Thank you so
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  Speaker 1: much for coming today, because you never think about this stuff.
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  Speaker 1: But once you're saying that to me, that now you
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  Speaker 1: have a growing human, and you have their teeth that
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  Speaker 1: are confined— It almost seems baffling that you would do that.
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  Speaker 1: It almost seemed, I mean, it's so restrictive. And also
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  Speaker 1: the nervous conditions it must create inside of your body,
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  Speaker 1: the stress it must put on your gums, and then
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  Speaker 1: the rest of your face, your brain is right there.
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  Speaker 2: And you think of at any time to get this procedure,
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  Speaker 2: it's like the worst time to do it is when
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  Speaker 2: you're a teenager. You're so screwed up already as a teenager.
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  Speaker 2: Then you have to go to school like that guy,
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  Speaker 2: you know, with all this headgear. So I don't know
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  Speaker 2: why they did it. I mean, I think it was
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  Speaker 2: economical because you can just Bring kids in, you do
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  Speaker 2: the same thing over and over and over and over.
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  Speaker 2: You also have to think about like, I had my
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  Speaker 2: wisdom teeth removed. I don't know if this was just something,
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  Speaker 2: you never question it. It was just something they did.
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  Speaker 1: Why?
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  Speaker 2: No other species has to have wisdom teeth. None of
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  Speaker 2: our ancestors, if that were true, that our ancestors were
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  Speaker 2: getting impacted molars and dying of infections or whatever, we
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't be here today.
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  Speaker 1: The practice of using braces to straighten teeth began in
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  Speaker 1: the early 19th century. French dentist Christophe Delabarre invented the
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  Speaker 1: first modern braces in 1819, a flat metal strip tied
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  Speaker 1: to teeth with thread to gradually align them. The term
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  Speaker 1: braces emerged in the early 1900s, coinciding with improvements like
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  Speaker 1: Edward Engel's brackets and wires.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: That's fascinating.
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  Speaker 2: You see that all of these inventions came about at
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  Speaker 2: the exact time that industrialized food came into cultures. And
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  Speaker 2: this is why our mouths are so small, because we
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  Speaker 2: stopped chewing. And so right at the time, you always
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  Speaker 2: talk about, at least back in the day, people would
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  Speaker 2: talk about British people and their teeth, right? This was
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  Speaker 2: some terrible joke people used to make. Oh, yeah, we
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  Speaker 2: still make it. You still make it. The kids today
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  Speaker 2: are still doing this. But it turns out that England
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  Speaker 2: was one of the first countries to adopt an industrialized diet.
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  Speaker 2: So their teeth went to hell right off the bat.
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  Speaker 2: 50% of a population, 5-0% will have crooked teeth after
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  Speaker 2: adopting an industrialized diet in a single generation. Unbelievable. People
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  Speaker 2: say that evolution, oh, it takes 100,000 years. Like it
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  Speaker 2: takes a million years for things to change. It happens
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: in one generation.
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: Well, if you even look at some of these primordial humans,
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: like you're talking about, or primordial might not be the word,
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: but if you're looking at some of these early human skulls, yeah,
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: you can easily see the difference. And that's fascinating about
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: the group in Africa. Yeah, it's like they're running around
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: complaining about cavities.
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: No, they're not complaining about heart disease. They're not complaining
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: about diabetes. Like none of these things exist. So all
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: of the modern diseases, not all of them, most of them,
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: because there are some genetic diseases. Most of the diseases
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: we're contending with today are diseases of civilization. These are
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: diseases that have been brought upon us by industrialization. And again,
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: this isn't some crazy conspiracy theory. This is standard knowledge.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: And if you talk to somebody who studies these things
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: in evolution and biosciences, then this is what they say.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: I had no idea about any of this. I'm a journalist.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: I went out and talked to people, and that's how
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: I learned this. And if people have a problem with
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying, go back to the source. These people
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: are at Harvard. They're at Stanford. They're at Yale.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: Well, what you're saying makes perfect sense to me. It
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: doesn't sound like it's like you're trying to convince me
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: of some astronomical idea. I mean, once you sound it
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: out and you put it in front of me, it
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: gets clear as day for me. In different interviews, I've
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: seen you speak a lot about different breathwork exercises. What
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: is a simple breathwork exercise that I could start with
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: that would help me overall?
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: It will bore you to tears if I tell you
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: what it is. And that's the problem with so much
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: of this stuff is it's so simple that anyone can
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: do it at any time. People are like, hey, I
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: want the secret, man. I want the medicinal stuff that
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: you discovered in a cave in the Himalayas. I wish
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: it were that easy. So I can give you a
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: very simple one that's probably been the most studied out
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: of any of these. Most of us tend to breathe
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: too much. We tend to breathe up into our chest.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: We tend to breathe through our mouths. And when we
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: breathe this way, we send stress signals to our brain.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: And so we stay in this state of sympathetic stress
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: all day long. So that increases your risk of diabetes,
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: all of these other heinous problems, autoimmune issues.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: What's inflammation you're causing yourself for sure.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: Constant inflammation, right? Constant, constant stress. So what you have
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: to do is go back to the way that you
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: were supposed to be breathing, to the way that nature
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: intended you to breathe. And so a very simple practice
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: that a lot of people start off with is you
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: can place the palm of your hand just below your
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: belly button, right? And you're going to breathe in through
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: your nose. And you want to feel your belly expand.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: And as you breathe out, you want to feel it
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: come back in.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: Breathe out through my nose?
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, through your nose, in and out through your nose.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: So as you breathe back out, you should feel the
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: belly contract. So you can actually do this. Around 90%
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: of people can't. They aren't comfortable enough with their guts
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: to do this. So if you do that at around
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: five seconds in, five seconds out, through the nose.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: Okay, you want to take me through it? it?
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: I can, yeah. If you don't mind.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: James, thank you.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just keep your hand there and make sure when
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: you're inhaling that that hand is coming out a little bit.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: So you're just going to start in a couple seconds.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: You're exhaling now. Three, two, one, and in, two, one. three, four, five,
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: and out, two, three, four, five, and in, two, three, four, five,
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: and out, two, three, four, five. And you just keep
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: with that rhythm what you're doing is you are sending
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: your brain and body signals that you are relaxed, that
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: you are safe. When your body gets these signals, it
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: can help restore itself and recover itself so much more quickly.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: If you have high blood pressure, there's a good chance
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: your blood pressure is going to go down. The stress
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: hormones are going to decrease. This is the way we're
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: supposed to naturally be. In that state, we're not supposed
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: to be hunched over with our shoulders tense. Sometimes, you know,
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: when you're in a stressful situation, when you're about to
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: fight someone, when you have to defend yourself, stress is
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: an amazing thing. But most of the time, our bodies
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: are built, they need time to recover and to heal
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: all the damage that we inflict on them. And this
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: is called coherent breathing because it puts these different systems
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: of your body into the state of coherence. Wow.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: Wow, that's really how I feel right now. I almost
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: feel like I got a little high.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you just wait. There's some other stuff we can
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: do that will definitely get you high.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, pack open a 12-pack of that magic air, baby.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: You know, that's what I need.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: You're getting proper blood flow to your brain. So they've
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: found that you'll make better decisions. You can regulate your
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: emotions so much more efficiently. It's great for heart health.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: blood pressure. And again, this isn't like some woo-woo thing.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: You don't need to go out and buy a pill.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: You don't need to subscribe to anything. This is something
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: that is available to everybody. So people who think these
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: breathing practices are, oh, I don't like yoga, you know,
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: I don't like jewelry or turquoise or whatever. This is
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: a biological function that you can do wherever. If you're
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: driving right now, you can try to breathe at around
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: five seconds in, five seconds out. And you can feel
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: what happens. I feel calmer right now. And I even
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: smiled a second ago. It just came into my face.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: I saw that.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: You did? That's cool, yeah.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: For one second.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but hey, for me, that's a lot. That's a
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: lot of a day where I'm just naturally feeling good.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: And I'll tell you this, even momentarily after, and even
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: it started to make me want to just keep doing
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: it as opposed to like, am I breathing in my nose?
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: Am I breathing in my mouth? Just not consciously. It
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: started to like, I almost want to do it again
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: and again because it feels good.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: Well, here's the trick with these things. Like we don't
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: need another box to check every day. You know, we
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: got to, oh, did I get my protein? Did I
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: sleep my eight hours? Did I walk 20 minutes? All
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: of that. What you want to do is to practice
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: these techniques enough, right? That this becomes your new default.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: This becomes your unconscious breathing that can take a couple
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: of months to do. They found some researchers here were
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: helping 9-11 victims 20 years ago. When was it? 20,
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: 24 years ago. And they had this terrible condition called
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: ground glass lungs because they inhaled all of these pollutants
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: when the towers went down. And nothing worked for them.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: Pharmaceutical drugs didn't work. Nothing worked except this practice was
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: more effective than anything else because it allowed air to
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: circulate properly in the lungs and allowed them to expel
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: all the crap in their lungs. So not only mentally
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: are you sharper, are you calmer, is your nervous system
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: down regulated to a healthy spot, but also physically it
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: can help your lungs be healthier.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: Can you bring that up, Nick?
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: Wow, this is so interesting.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: Ground glass lungs refers to a radiological finding on CT
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: scans showing hazy opacities Is that the right way to
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: say that?
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: Opacities.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: Opacities, thank you. In the lungs, often linked to inflammation
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: or fibrosis from inhaling toxic dust at ground zero after
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: the 9-11 attacks. The massive collapse of the World Trade
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: Center has released a plume of pulverized concrete, asbestos, glass fibers,
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: heavy metals, and jet fuel combustion by our products that
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: coated lower Manhattan. Responders and nearby residents who breathe the
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: dust develop persistent lung damage, including ground glass opacities.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: The dust contained over 2,500 contaminants, 50% construction debris, 40%
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: glass fibers, 9% cellulose and asbestos, silica, lead, mercury. Oh,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: my God. The witch's brew was highly alkaline and caustic,
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: equivalent to Drano in pH.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: Wow. So the guy who started doing this, Richard Brown,
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: is right down the street from us here. He's at Columbia.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: And he's the one that was dealing with all these
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: people from 9-11 who had PTSD or ground glass lungs.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: And he published this too, you know, of how effective
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: it was. So that when COVID came around, this was
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: the go-to, breathing this way for so many people. I've
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: had COVID like three times, four times, right? And this
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: did more for me than anything. That's subjective. There wasn't
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: a control version of me. But this is something I've
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: heard from hundreds and hundreds of people. is if you
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: don't lay on your back, you get COVID, you're coughing, right?
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: You feel like crap. If you lay on your stomach
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: and breathe at this rate, around five to six seconds in,
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: five to six seconds out, right? It can really help
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: and it's free and available for everyone. So why wouldn't
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: you do it? There's no negative side effects to feeling
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: better and getting more crap out of your lungs.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: There's still something, though, even when you say, like, it's
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: so funny, some of the most simplest things. We want something.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: It's like we want to, well, I need to buy
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: this or not, but I'll go get that or I'll
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: do a five-hour energy. Like we always want something else.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: Isn't that kind of interesting that that's how we operate?
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: I think it's a lot of people are apprehensive by
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: things that are free and easy, right? You think about
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: what's happened to nutrition, which is insane. If you look
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: at our ancestors or the people that are actually living
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: to be 110 years old, they don't know what a
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: calorie is. They're not dividing fats and proteins. They're not
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: taking supplements, right? But they're eating in line with what
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: the seasons provide for them in their backyards. So I
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: think that breathing is the same. There are so many
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: people that are trying to overcomplicate this thing by saying
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: you need to breathe these five different techniques in the morning,
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: then do the same thing at night. And then you
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: need to subscribe to my service where I'm going to
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: dole out other techniques.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to mail you a jar of my
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: breath or something.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, people do. So I think by keeping it simple
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: and going back to, we got so sick because we
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: moved away from nature. And the way to get healthy
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: is to move back into that state in which our
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: bodies understand the world and understand the inputs. We're not
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: used to this world. We haven't been around it long
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: enough to truly adapt.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: And it's changed so fast too. I think that's part
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: of it.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: It's changing so fast.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And I think you're right. The people who are
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: leading a lot of our influences, it's very industrialized, which
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: I think has had a lot of negative effects. But
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: I think we are at kind of like a renaissance
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: right now where people are really focusing on this type
• 27:50
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  Speaker 1: Was there anything else on that World Trade Glass that...
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  Speaker 1: to WTC lung injury with firefighters losing up to 12
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  Speaker 1: years of lung function. 70% of workers showed respiratory decline
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  Speaker 1: by 2004. A Mount Sinai analysis found asbestos fibers in
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: carbon nanotubes in responders' lungs. Wow, that's fascinating. What would
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: be like a more difficult breathing exercise?
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: If we had an hour, I could get you extremely
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: high with something. But we don't. So we're going to
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: have to do some quick stuff here. If you are driving,
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: if you are near water, do not do this. Use
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: common sense. I just want to make that super clear. Yeah,
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: I want to say that too.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: Do not do it.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: OK, do not do it. This is just for demonstration
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: purpose only. You're sitting in a chair. We're here. It's cool.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: You can try this. This is a pranayama technique that
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: when I am really jet lagged, which is most of
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: my waking hours, I've noticed when I need energy, when
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: I need instant clarity, you can do this. It's a
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: little weird. You wouldn't want to do it in public.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: But here we are. And I think you want to
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: get a little weird. So why not? Let's do it.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: OK.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: Let's do it. So the concept here is we are
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: going to be breathing an inhale through the nose. Then
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: you're going to be holding without exhaling. Then you're going
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: to be breathing in again. Then you're going to be holding.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: Then you're going to be breathing in. You see where
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: this is going. You're going to keep doing that until
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: you reach the very top of your breath, until you
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: cannot fit any more air in your lungs. Then you're
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: going to squeeze as hard as you can. You're going
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: to squeeze your fists, squeeze your toes, squeeze your butt,
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: squeeze your stomach, squeeze everything, and try to bring it
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: inward towards the center of your abdomen. Just focus on
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: bringing that in. And then we're going to do it again.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: We're going to do this a few times. Okay.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: The whole thing will probably take a minute. Okay. But
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: we'll see what happens. So just relax. Relax your shoulders.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: Take an easy breath in and an easy breath out.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: We're going to take one more easy breath in. Easy
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: breath in and easy breath out. And now we're going
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: to go. We're going to breathe up. Breathe.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: Hold.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: Breathe. Hold, breathe, hold, breathe, hold.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: More, more, more, more, more.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: All the way up, all the way up, all the
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: way up. Squeeze everything. Hold your breath. Squeeze everything. Squeeze everything.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: Keep squeezing. Squeeze harder. Let's go. Keep squeezing. Keep squeezing.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: Let it go. Breathe in.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: Hold.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: Breathe in.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: Hold.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: Breathe in.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: Hold.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: Breathe in. Breathe in. Breathe in. Breathe in. All the
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: way up. Squeeze everything. Squeeze everything. Squeeze everything. Keep holding
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: your breath. We're going to do it longer now. Keep squeezing.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: Keep holding. Keep squeezing. Keep going. Keep going. Lift everything
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: towards your stomach and let it out. We're going to
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: do one more. Okay.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: Ready?
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: Breathe in. Hold. Breathe in, hold, breathe in, hold, breathe in,
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: breathe in, breathe in, breathe in, all the way up
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: and squeeze, squeeze, squeeze, squeeze, squeeze. Hold your breath, hold
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: your breath, hold your breath, hold your breath. Squeeze everything
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: towards your stomach. Keep going, keep going, keep going. You
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: got five more seconds. Five, four, three, two, one, let
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: it go.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: I can feel my heart racing.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: How do you feel different?
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: I feel pretty chill overall. Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: take a breathalyzer right now, probably. I definitely feel a
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: little bit buzzed up.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: So what you did right now.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: I feel relaxed.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: Good. Which you did right there. This is a very
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: short version. It's better to have a longer amount of time.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: We can go through the whole process. It doesn't make
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: for very good podcasts or radio. So we're not going
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: to sit and listen to you be silent for 20
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: minutes breathing. But the point of this is you're purposely
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: stressing your body out. You're taking control of your nervous
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: system and you're cranking it up to 11 and you're
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: compounding all of that stress. Then you're releasing it. or
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: you're letting your body know and your brain know that
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: you're in control of that stress. You turn it on,
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: you turn it off. You turn it on, you turn
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: it off. What most of us do throughout the day
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: is we have this chronic low-grade stress. It's always there.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: It's buzzing around. We never let it go, right? So
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: we never blow it out, but we never truly relax.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: And this is one of the main reasons so many
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: of us are so sick. Again, this is not some
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: crazy hypothesis. Well, stress is inflammation. Chronic inflammation, chronic stress
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: is one of the leading causes of so many issues.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: So if you spend a few minutes a day, you
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: don't have to do the weird stuff, right? There's other
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: things you can do in public. No one realizes you're
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: doing this. It's your own private little secret that you
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: can do And just to have that pressure release throughout
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: the day. A lot of people use yoga or exercise
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: or weightlifting. All of those things are awesome. They work great.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: But it's not always available to you. Your breathing is
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: always available to you.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: Amen.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: You can do that anytime.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, even just you reminding me to breathe
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: in and out through my nose, that simple reminder, it
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: just feels good. It just feels better. It's just like, yeah.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: No one's reminded me of that probably ever in my life.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: You know, it just doesn't happen. I have to pee
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: really fast. I'm going to tell you about the experience
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: that I had with a breathwork person.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: That also happens with some of these breathwork devices. I
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: should have warned him.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just feel happier. I just feel a little
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: bit happier even just going through this. So yeah, thanks
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: for the reminders. It's funny. I almost want to keep
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: doing it. It's almost like having a sip of coffee.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: It's like I want to keep doing it because it
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: feels good. I took a breathwork session one time with
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: actually a comedian, this girl, Blair Sochi, who's very funny.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: And she also on the side does breathwork exercises with people.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: And she took me through this experience one time. I
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: was laying down. I can't remember exactly what it was.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: I feel like it was some of what we just did,
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: but it was for about maybe 30 minutes. And at
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: the end, I like just tears were, I mean, I
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: had like one of the biggest, like just kind of
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: emotional releases that I've had outside of an experience with drugs,
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: like an ayahuasca or something like that, or mushrooms. It
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: was super profound. There's a lot of videos out there
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: of people having profound experiences after breathwork. Videos of people
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: were just really breaking down after breathwork. Have you, I'm
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: sure you've seen a lot of this.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: I've seen a lot of it online, but I've also
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: seen a lot of it in person. And the question
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: from a journalist standpoint that I have is how much
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: of this is the breathwork and how much of it
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: is these people trying to show off that they're really
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: having a bigger breakdown than the person next to them?
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: Oh, and it's so funny because people get competitive. You
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: get in those spaces or you see a video and
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: then you feel like you have to go replicate that.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: That's fast. I agree with that. This is one that, oh,
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: Zach just pulled one. Yeah, you want to play this one?
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: Here's one that. Oh, that one seems. What video is this? Oh,
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: keep going. Oh, that's it?
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: That's all you need.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: Okay, that one.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: Do you really want to see what comes next after that?
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: No, no, no.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: I'm not allowed.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: We have blockers on this computer. So, yeah, I can't
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: be watching stuff like that. What are some of the
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: experiences that you've seen with people that are experiencing serious breathwork? Sorry,
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: I thought that was going to be better than that.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: Well, I have a– that was pretty good. If people
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: see that, like pretty good.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just couldn't tell if that was super real
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: or not. I couldn't tell what was actually going on.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: Maybe you would just put that in my head too
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: because that does happen a lot. but my own experience
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: from my own, it was like, yeah, it was just
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: tears flowing out of me, just such a release, just
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: such a release. And it felt like it came out
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: of the fabric of my existence. That's what was really fascinating.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: What have you seen regarding like trauma release and breath work?
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: Well, we all have these repressed emotions, especially dudes, like
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: we gotta hold it back the whole time. And once
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: you loosen up enough, Once your body is loose, you feel,
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: you know, but that's what's allowed us to survive. You
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: have to be able to kick in that mode, otherwise
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: you can't ride. from a tiger or fight off a
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: warring tribe. So that's part of our evolution. We're not
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: meant to stay in it all day long, though. When
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: we're chilling out, we're meant to be truly relaxed, and
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: we don't. So sometimes in these breathwork sessions, just like
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: in ayahuasca or other drug sessions or when you're hallucinating
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: for some other reason, you tend to loosen up, right?
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: And all the stuff comes out. So I've seen a
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: whole bunch of stuff. Is it blowing your mind almost sometimes? Well,
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: the critical part of me is what's the physiology behind this?
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: What's actually happening? That's a great question.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: When you're doing the breathing exercise and then the trauma
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: release occurs, what is happening?
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: So I can tell you what we know. We know
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: that when you over-breathe, a lot of these, my hunch
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: is that breath work you did, it's probably pretty intense. Yeah. Right, okay. Yeah,
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: it was fast.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: It was like a lot of in-out, in-out, in-out, in-out.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: So when we're over-breathing like that, we're actually inhibiting blood
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: flow to the brain. And if we over-breathe long enough,
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: we can inhibit around 40% of the blood flow to
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: the brain. So the brain in some ways thinks it's dying.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: Ah, so it's a DMT release of some sort?
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: People say that. It's never been measured. I tried to
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: measure that for this book, and I was told by
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: the researchers they could not measure it because it's so minute.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: That kind of makes sense.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: When people say, oh, this is my DMT breathing, that's
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: not based on, it's good marketing, but it's not based
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: on any measurements. So this is a way of like
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: tricking your brain that something very wrong is going on.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: And if you stay there for long enough, it starts
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: to short circuit in some ways that can be beneficial.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: You start thinking differently, right? You start hallucinating. I don't
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: know if you were hallucinating, but that's very common. And
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: all of these safeguards that you have built up, especially
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: around your nervous system and emotion, tend to release in
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: certain ways. So we know it absolutely affects your physiology.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: I had the one.
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: Bit of research, actually, there were many in the book
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: that did not make it in is I went to
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: a lab at University of California, San Francisco, and breathed
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: for an hour, just crazy hyperventilation as they had a
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: catheter out and were recording my blood pH. And they
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: had to stop it because according to their measurements, my
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: blood was so alkaline, which means I was blowing off
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: so much CO2 that I should have been in an
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: emergency room. This guy is just like, this is the
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: weirdest thing. You should not be doing this. This is unhealthy.
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: And yet I felt great, right? Because our bodies are
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: meant to be flexible. So we know something physiological is happening.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: On the other end, people claim that they're able to
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: revert to their caveman selves or revert to different animals.
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: I think that some of that is where it gets
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: a little showy. I was in one like two hour
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: long session where you're just hyperventilating for two hours and
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: you know, some woman.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, prove it if you're an animal. Get out there
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: and eat some birds.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: No, this guy was doing it. Like he went, he was,
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: he was, I shouldn't laugh. He was having his, he
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: was having his own release. Respect that. That's a beautiful thing.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: But some, you know, woman turned into a baby. And
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: I think this other guy was like, well, I'm gonna,
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna turn into a wolf. And, and he was,
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: he was prowling the room and snorting at people. And
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: they had to tackle him hold him down really so
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: i wanted to think in my you know i was watching.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: This probably a south carolina fan i.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: I mean i don't know that information this is in
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: california anything goes so you know.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: It's like yeah if some guy is brie if i'm
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: in a breath workplace and some guy's over there huffing
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: and puffing and then he's like i'm gonna blow your
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: house down or whatever if he starts getting weird like
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: that like three little pig in me or whatever dude
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: i'm calling the cops bro Just because we're in a
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: breathwork seminar doesn't mean you can be wolfing around and
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: pissing in the corner or whatever.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: No, and what was interesting to me, I said, well,
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: what if this is real? What if this guy's really,
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: then full respect, like he's reached a pinnacle I will
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: never reach. At the same time, this was after like
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: five minutes where there's not a lot going on. So
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: part of me was thinking.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's just a Raiders fan.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: Probably.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: He probably a little showiness. I don't know what's better
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: than a wolf. I don't know who was going to
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: come after him to try to one-up his wolfdom.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: He picked a good animal. I do remember, though, also
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: my extremities got very tight. What is that? When I
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: did the breathwork and I had that release, I remember, yeah, just...
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: And I felt so great after because it was just
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: such a release. It felt like almost the sediment... Like
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: say if you looked through archeologically, like through the ground
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: and you saw like this sedimentary rock, stuff that was
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: really packed down in there, that's what it felt like.
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: There was like fissures in that inside of me. But
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: I do remember my muscles and everything got extremely tight
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: after a lot of the breathing.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: That's 100% real, right? That's not psychosomatic. What happens is
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: a lot of people in breath work, at least I
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: was told, they told me like, because I kept feeling this,
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: my hands like turn into claws.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: You're like, what? Maybe he was a wolf.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: And so they kept saying like, you're reverting back to
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: your primitive self. I was like, okay, but what's actually
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: happening measurably to our bodies? And what I found is
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: this is a phenomenon that is called tetany. And what
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: happens when you over-breathe this amount, you start to lose calcium, okay?
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: Calcium gets bound to albumin. And once that happens, you
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: need calcium for proper nerve and muscle function. So we
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: don't have enough calcium in order to function properly. And
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: so things start to shut down. So at these really
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: intense sessions, you can't open your fit. As hard as
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: you try, you can't. They turn into these claws, which
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: is really creepy. If you don't know that this is happening,
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: it's like you're in some cult situation where everyone's reverting
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: to some lower level of hell and developing these claws.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: But this is a phenomenon that is measurable.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: Tetany, it's called?
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: It's called tetany. And the same thing happens to your toes.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: Tetany? T-E-T-A-N-Y. I've never even heard of that, but I've
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: had that thing happen to me a couple times in breathing.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: Tetany is a medical condition involving sustained involuntary muscle contractions
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: or spasms due to hyper excitability of nerves or muscles.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: It often stems from electrolyte imbalances like low calcium, low magnesium,
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: or alkalosis.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: To do this on occasion is fine, right? But if
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: you are constantly over breathing, which is a problem that
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: so many people suffer from, they wonder why their fingers
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: are constantly... numb or cold, why their toes are cold, right?
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: Why they are like this. They're causing this permanent imbalance
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: of these electrolytes in their bodies. And the body can
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: compensate because it's going to keep you alive, but that
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: doesn't mean it's going to keep you healthy.
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: Ah, I just remember those. That's such a visceral thing
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: to try to remember that once you did that with
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: your hands, it brought me so many memories. how do
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: some of your breathwork ideas compare to a guy like
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: Wim Hof? Because he's a very popular figure in the
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: breathing space, right? And he just is such a captivating
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: figure too. And the fact that he's in the cold
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: and he's battling something that, you know, we all want
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: to battle something. So we all feel invigorated by his journey.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: And yeah, how did some of your practices compare to
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: some of Wim Hof's practices?
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: Well, most of what I studied and researched and write
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: about is this normal breathing. It's so unsexy, right? Just
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: breathe normal. I want to be a super breather. But
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: what you realize is the vast majority of people are
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: breathing dysfunctionally. And so what I'm trying to bring awareness
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: to and to have people do first before they go
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: and do crazy breathwork stuff is to learn normal breathing
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: because you're never going to be able to get a
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: ton out of breathwork practices unless your foundation is solid.
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: It's like you want to run a marathon. Would you
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: just stand up and run a marathon or would you
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: try to train a little bit? and get a proper foundation,
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: get the right biomechanics. So that's what most of the
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: book is about is because so many people are breathing
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: dysfunctionally that they have all of these underlying issues that
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: are tied to it and they don't realize it. Why
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: are they getting migraines all the time? Why is their
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: blood pressure so high? Why are they getting all these cavities?
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: Why does their kid have symptoms of ADHD? All of
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: this stuff is tied to your breathing. So once you
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: get that solid foundation, you become a nasal breather, you're
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: able to do what you were doing You're able to
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: become comfortable enough with your own waist that you can
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: relax your gut as you take a breath in. And
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: as you exhale, it comes back, right? You can breathe
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: these slow, low, deep breaths. You are not mouth breathing
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: at night. You are not snoring. After all those boxes
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: are checked, then let's bring it on. Let's go up
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: that next rung of potential. This is what yoga was
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: designed to do. It was never intended for sick people.
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: It was intended for people that were normal, that were healthy,
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: to bump you up that next rung of the ladder.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: And so that's what Wim does, right? Wim's an amazing dude.
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: I can't imagine a better spokesperson for Breathwork. I mean,
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: if there was ever a cult leader, he should start as,
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: it kind of is a cult almost.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's definitely something about him that's super exciting.
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: I think he's done more to bring Breathwork to more
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: people on the planet than anyone else.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: He brought awareness.
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: And you need someone that is that inspired and genuine,
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: not someone that's trying to always sell you stuff. Like
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: Wim wants to help people. Wim wants to see what
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: the limits of the human body are. Wim, when you
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: meet him, he's real. And so many other people in
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: Breathwork have hopped on the train to try to... You
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: haven't met him. No. Okay. No, the guy is magnetic.
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: Is he really? Absolutely. Yeah.
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: That's cool. I mean, you can feel it through the screen.
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: You know, you feel it when you watch him. And
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: you need an advertising piece for things like that. Like,
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: you need something like a shiny figure that's out there
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: so that people can also then come and absorb your information.
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: I mean, look at this, dude. Because, dude, you know
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: how many thick white dudes are just hiding in their
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: freezers in the garage right now all because of Wim Hof,
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: you know, and forgetting to close the lid and the
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: meat's going bad?
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: But people were not doing this until... So we knew
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: all about these benefits, but the people training you how
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: to breathe properly was a respiratory therapist in a hospital.
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: And a lot of dudes don't gravitate towards that. Wim
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: is hiking up Everest barefoot with his shirt off and
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: hanging out in ice for an hour at a time.
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: People are like, that guy's cool. I wanna be like him.
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: Yes, it's exciting.
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: And he's also... The other side of this is not
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: only Is he able to bring people from a state
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: where they're normal to become better than normal? Some research
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: is going on right now about people with autoimmune diseases
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: with that ice combined with breath work can help lower
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: all of those stress hormones and help people who are
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: caught in these vicious cycles of chronic inflammation. And some
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: people with multiple sclerosis, people with eczema and more. And
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: this is something that's free. You got to buy a freezer, right?
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: Put some ice in it. But beyond that, it's a
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: pretty low amount of cash you need to spend up
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: front in order to do these things. If you can't
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: afford an ice bath, take a cold shower, right? A
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: lot of the same benefits.
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: Who are some other known figures or who are some
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: known figures throughout history that it's documented that they've practiced
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: breathwork and it was a big part of their lives?
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: Do you know any?
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: There's so many. And if you look at ancient literature,
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: there were all these Swamis, there were all these Buddhist monks,
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: there were all these Rinpoches that were supposedly doing things
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: that were impossible according to our understanding of biology and
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: medicine right now until you bring them into a lab.
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  Speaker 2: And so in the 70s, they started doing this. One
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  Speaker 2: guy was Swami Rama. This guy grew up in the
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  Speaker 2: mountains of the Himalayas, been meditating.
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  Speaker 1: Swami Rama, bring him up. Sorry, I interrupted you.
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  Speaker 2: No, that's cool.
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  Speaker 1: The mountains of the Himalayas go on? Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Since he was four years old, he was trained to
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  Speaker 2: be a monk. And they brought him into this place
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  Speaker 2: called the Manager Clinic. And a Navy physicist tested to
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  Speaker 2: see what he could do, things that are supposed to
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  Speaker 2: be impossible. And he was able to flutter his heart
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  Speaker 2: rate on command at 300 beats per minute, on command.
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: And then- What's our regular heart rate?
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: If you're healthy, 50.
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: And he did 300?
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: Mine's probably 70, 67. 300 beats was supposed to be impossible.
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: Shit, he's a damn Valentine's Day at that point.
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: So he was able to change the temperature on the
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  Speaker 2: palm of his hand 11 degrees from one side to
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  Speaker 2: the other. One side was all flush and red and
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: the other was like gray and purple. And in another test,
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: and this was reported in the New York Times, he
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: was able to enter states of deep sleep, while still
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: being conscious and repeating everything that happened in the room
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  Speaker 2: around him. All of this is supposed to be impossible.
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  Speaker 2: He proved it, and it also establishes credence to all
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  Speaker 2: these other stories of these ancient monks doing this stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: And he said the foundation of all of this was breathing.
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: You have to start with that. Then you have to
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: learn to meditate, and then you can do all this
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: other stuff. But it starts with that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, how would you even be able to do something
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: like that?
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  Speaker 2: You focus on your breath. you meditate and I can
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  Speaker 2: tell you I've seen people do things that are much
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: crazier than that.
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  Speaker 1: Like?
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  Speaker 2: I've seen people do a lot of things that I
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: don't feel at liberty to discuss because people are going
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: to think I'm insane until I get these guys into
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: a lab and that's what I'm working on right now.
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: But that, that looks like child's play compared to the
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: things that I've seen people do when you focus on
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: your breathing and When you use your natural body to
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: do these things that we've been doing for thousands of
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: years that in the last couple hundred years we've completely
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: forgotten about.
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  Speaker 1: focus on breathwork? Even look that up, Nick.
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  Speaker 2: I bet Carter would be the only one that would
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: have been cool enough to do that because he was
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: in all into.
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: He was into health.
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: He put some solar panels up on the White Hat
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: and organic garden, you know? Did he? I doubt he
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: would ever admit to it. You know?
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: Jimmy Carter put solar panels up on the White House?
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I believe you can fact check that one.
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: That's pretty dope.
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: And then Reagan took them down.
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: That's so hilarious. It'd be great to see a history
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: of just all the ridiculous things that have been put
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: up each time and then taken down.
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and taken down again.
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: Yes, President Jimmy Carter installed 32 solar thermal panels on
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: the roof of the White House West Wing on June 20th, 1979.
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: They operated until 1996 when the Reagan administration removed them
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: during roof repairs. and store them in a Virginia warehouse.
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: The Panthers later went to Unity College in Maine for
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: cafeteria use and influenced later White House solar efforts under Bush.
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: That's pretty cool. It'd be a nice thing to just
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: be able to buy and even at an auction one
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: of those. Yeah, I've heard there's a lot of celebrities
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: that are fans of yours. Devin Booker. Who else was
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: I reading? Pink, the musician. Sidney Sweeney. He's probably got
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: a set of lungs on her, I bet. Yeah. What
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: is that like? Have you had celebrities reach out to you?
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: Has there been an interesting occurrence where one of them
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: wanted you to come up, like a private session sort
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: of thing?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's happened a few times. And they've been just
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: so disappointed because they want the secret thing. They're like, oh,
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: I bet you got into some weird stuff. I'm famous.
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: You need to tell me the secret. And I tell
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: them what the secret is, which is what I told you.
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: And they're like, oh, that's it? So it's about doing
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: the work, right? It's one thing to tell people these things.
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: You can't just like read it once, do it once
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: and move on, right? It's like a diet. You think
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: you're going to eat one little salad throughout the day
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: and then be eating French fries for the rest of
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: the day and thinking, oh, I ate my salad, I'm
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: good to go. We're breathing all the time, right? And
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: so you should be breathing in a way that is
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: conducive to your body and your health.
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: In that time.
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: That helps you.
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: Well, it makes certain, yeah.
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: And so it's the most unsexy thing to talk about
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: is normal breathing. But I'm here to tell you, if
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: you really want to help yourself become a normal breather,
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: you can do some of that breath work. But I
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: promise you, once you become a normal breather, then you
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: do that breath work, it will take you places you
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: never dreamed about.
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: Let's go, huh? A little lung narnia, homie. I'm ready.
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: I'm ready for that. there's a, there's this kind of
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: phenomenon where it's like, sometimes when I finally sit and
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: take a breath, it feels like I haven't breathed, like
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: breathed or breathed or whatever, uh, for, for months sometimes,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: you know, or for weeks, you know, you know, you know,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: that feeling where you're like, like, oh, I finally got
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: a breath. And it's something you're like, what, um, what's
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: happened in our lives that's made it so that we've
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: gotten so far away from our breathing?
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: Well, I think you can force yourself into pausing and
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: resetting your, your breathing and, And you can force yourself
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: through yawning or sighing. So when you are not aware
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: of your breath and when you are just caught in
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: these negative unconscious habits, it gets so bad that your
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: body needs a reset. So what does it do? It's
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: an unintentional sigh. It forces you to be like, let's
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: start over. Do a little better this time. It's like
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: trying out for acting, trying out for a play or whatever.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: It's like, okay, or doing a different take in a recording.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: It's like your lungs are reminding you, hey, brother, we're
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: down here.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: But you can take advantage of that. It doesn't always
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: have to be unintentional. You can make it an intentional sigh.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: So you can set an alarm, just a little bell
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: to go off on your phone three times a day,
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: five times a day, 10 times a day, that bell
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: goes off and it's just a moment. You don't have
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: to stop what you're doing to be like, I'm gonna
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: check in on my breathing. It takes a second to
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: just go, I'm gonna do an intentional sigh. So when
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: that bell goes off, follow me with this one. It's
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: easier than that last thing we just did, I promise you.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: Bell goes off, just stop what you're doing. Take an inhale, hold,
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: take an inhale, hold, take an inhale, Let it out
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: calmly now. Let it out calmly. Do it again. Take
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: an inhale. Softly. Hold. Take an inhale. Softer. Hold. Take
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: an inhale. Softer. Let it out softly. Softly. I don't
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: want to hear you letting it out on this one.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: Now take an inhale.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: Hold.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: Take an inhale. Inhale. Silent exhale.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: Right on, right on.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: You've just reset your respiratory patterns, right? And I think
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: you can... We're back. You have a... I mean, how
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: long did that take? 15 seconds? 15 seconds. You can
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: do this on a flight. You can do it on
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: the train. You can do it in your car. And
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: it allows you to start again. So what I've found
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: is a lot of people have asked. They said, where
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: do I start? Set those alarms. Do 10 of them
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: a day. Check in on this. And if you do
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: enough of these, if you go back to breathing, after
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: you've reset it, go back to breathing that five seconds in,
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: five seconds out. Don't exaggerate it. Real soft. I shouldn't
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: be able to watch you breathing, right? It's really subtle,
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: really soft. This will become your default. And if this
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: becomes your default, I am telling you, it changes a
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: lot of things.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: You're going to start cooking.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: You could start hooking. You could start sleeping.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: No, cooking.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: I mean, you're going to cook. You're going to be rolling.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: I thought you said hooking.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: Oh, no.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: That this could get you out on the street. So children,
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: he said cooking. Cooking. I just saw this. Figurative and
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: literal language. You go to the kitchen, make something healthy.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Or just get your cooking in your body. You're
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: making something healthy.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: In your own life. But do not do that and
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: go out hooking. No, do not go out hooking.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: Take me through some other ailments that breath work can
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: help us with, that focusing on our breathing can help
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: eliminate or solve. Or it can help fight. And then, yeah,
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: how about ADHD? Take me down some of that journey
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: because I've heard you talk about it a lot.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So this is something I learned after the book
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: was published years ago. And I kept hearing this from
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: people in the airway space, from different doctors and different dentists.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: They said, no one's paying attention to this. I didn't
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: discover it. I spent five years researching and writing the book.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: I didn't discover. I thought I covered everything. I didn't.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: So I was able to revise the hardcover for the paperback,
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: which is out. And I include this version. So this
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: is in the new revision? Yeah, it's in the new revision.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: And it's something I try to talk about. Every single
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: talk I do, I want to talk about this because
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: it's so important. And nobody's talking about it. And I'm
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: so tired of getting these letters from parents. I do
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: these talks, right? And there's these line of parents afterwards.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: And they're yelling at me and they're crying because their
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: kid isn't getting any help. They're like, you need to
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: help me. I was like, I'm a freaking journalist, right?
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: I'm not a doctor. But they're not getting the help
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: from their doctor. So this is what I've learned. I'm
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: a filter. I don't do this research, but I talk
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: to the leading experts in the field. I spend a
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: lot of time doing this. They have told me this,
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: that ADHD is diagnosed as a neurological problem, right? It's
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: a problem with the brain. And it's treated as a
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: problem of the brain, right? So we can give kids
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: uppers to wake them up in the day, Ritalin, whatever.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: It absolutely works. You can give them downers at night
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: to go to sleep, right? And 10% of the population
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: in the US has ADHD and around 60% are on
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: these pharmaceutical drugs and these drugs absolutely work. But what
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: these guys are saying and the story that's starting to
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: come out is for so many kids with ADHD, it's
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: not a neurological problem that has caused this It's a
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: breathing problem at night. It is a plumbing problem, not
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: an electrical problem. They said that the vast majority of
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: kids with ADHD suffer from something called sleep disordered breathing.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: What this is, is when you're sleeping, you're choking on yourself,
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: you're snoring, struggling the entire time. You don't enter those
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: stages of deep restorative sleep. This affects human growth hormone.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: So again, it affects how you're gonna grow. It also
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: affects your brain development, your ability to think clearly the
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: next day. So these kids wake up exhausted, everything around
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: them drives them crazy, right? I mean, think of how
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: you are when you're jet lagged after a flight that's
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: 12 hours long.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: You're anxious.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: Stressed.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: Like bright lights bother you. They have told me, that
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: for so many kids, this is the core issue. We've
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: been diagnosing it and we've been treating it wrong, which
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: is why these kids necessarily aren't getting better. They're on
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: these drugs forever. So the number one thing you should do,
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: especially for young kids, is to check their breathing at night.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: And if they're snoring or have sleep apnea, that could
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: very well significantly be contributing to their symptoms of of ADHD.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: And I can say anecdotally, I can say this because
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: I cannot tell you how many letters parents have sent me.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: They are so pissed off now because their little Johnny
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: for five years was on 20 different drugs, right? Nothing
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: was working. He's 12 years old, still wetting his bed.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: They taught the kid how to breathe in and out
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: through the nose. They got rid of the snoring, the
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: sleep apnea, and the vast majority of little Johnny's problems
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: go away within two weeks. Sometimes within a single night,
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: I just got a letter, within a single night, this
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: kid who was wetting his bed from day one, couldn't
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: stop it, is now not wetting his bed. And so
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: a lot of this is caused by that chronic stress
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: at night. And another reason why people wake up and
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: pee three times throughout the night is we aren't releasing
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: the proper sleep hormones that shut that down, right? And
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: so there's another thing, I just heard today, we just
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: got a letter today that some old grandma was like,
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: I have to wake up and pee twice a day.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: She's like, since I learned how to breathe through my
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: nose and no longer snore, she's like, I don't have
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: to do that anymore. And you could say, oh, these
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: are anecdotes. These are neat stories. But we know the mechanism.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: That's one piss Ethel.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: I love it.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. Who wants to do that? Wake up at 2,
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: 3 a.m. It's awful.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: Especially with that age. If you trip on something, you're done.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: You know, a trip to the bathroom in the dark
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: at 74? Yeah. You're fucking Lewis and Clark.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, at any age, it sucks. We can acknowledge that.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: But yeah, if you're older and you're fragile and your
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: bones are brittle.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: It's really bad news. You're doing Bear Grylls out there, yeah.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: It's bad news.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: You're trying to figure it out. So when you sleep,
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: what about snoring? What about snoring? So what is snoring?
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: Snoring.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: What is snoring? And is that, because you see a
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: lot of people that get like sleep apnea mass, you know,
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: like a lot of thick, rich white dudes, like laying
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: in bed at night, trying to just really hide from
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: their wives, probably from intimacy, but also just pretend. they're
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: Bane or whatever in their fancy houses or whatever. But
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: what's really going on with snoring? What's really going on
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: with sleep apnea?
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: So snoring has been so normalized, right? That around 50%
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: of the population does it on occasion and something like
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: 20 or 30% might, might do it chronically. Depends on
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: how you measure that, but it's not normal. There is
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: no part of that that is normal because if you
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: are struggling during sleep, during the time that we're supposed
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: to be, lights out, shut down, the body needs to
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: repair everything in order for you to function properly and
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: not get chronically sick the next day, the next week,
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: the next few years. We have to have restorative sleep.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: This is a known thing. Everyone's talking about sleep now.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: If you're snoring, you're not allowing that to happen. So
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: in the back of the throat, those soft tissues, right?
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: Most snoring, not all of it, is through the mouth.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: Some people snore through their noses. What I have learned
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: from a lot of people that have helped people who
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: have chronic snoring issues is there are a lot of
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: things you can do at home to fix this. There's surgeries,
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: which absolutely work. Sometimes with sleep apnea, it's the tongue.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: other issues. But the first thing is chronic congestion, because
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: what we know is during allergy season, snoring and sleep
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: apnea go through the roof. That's not an accident. That's
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: because your nose gets clogged, right? And you're breathing through
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: the mouth. Another thing is during the day, we are
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: breathing so heavily, like over-breathing all day long that we
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: carry that over to night. So what these people do,
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: there's a bunch of different things. You can put a
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: little tape on your mouth, you can sleep on your side,
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: But one of the main things they do is to
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: train you to breathe very lightly during the day, just
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: that breathing that we were doing. For instance, if I
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: were to ask you to breathe heavily through your mouth
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: right now and make a snoring sound, how hard is that? Okay,
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: you can do this without a very, very rich snoring sound.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: There it is. Now breathe very slowly in and out
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: through the nose and try to make that same sound
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: very slowly with your mouth closed. and try to make
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: that sound. A lot of people say this is a
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: mechanical thing. You're over breathing.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: I can't do it.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: There's too much air flowing in. And so you make
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: that snoring sound. Sleep apnea is a different thing. That's
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: when you choke on yourself. It can be from your tongue.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: Most of the time the tongue is falling back or
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: there's constriction. If you are morbidly obese, very obese, you
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: can get this lateral compression against the throat, right? And
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: there's some things that happen in the nose. People are
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: given CPAPs as a cure for it. It cures nothing.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: CPAPs can actually make your sleep apnea worse over time.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: And around 50% of people given CPAPs within a few
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: months aren't going to use them anyway. But they're too
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: embarrassed to give them back to their doctor. Wow. So
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: to be clear, if you have sleep apnea, these things
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: are an amazing band-aid to get you over that hump.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: You can't be choking at night, but it's not fixing
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: the core issue. The core issue for so many people
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: is that mouth that is too small for your face.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: It's an airway that is not properly developed. The back
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: of our airways is covered in this flesh, right? That
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: flesh needs to be firm, right? We exercise everything else
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: in our bodies, right? Our muscles, our biceps, our legs,
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: but we're not exercising our airway. So you can do
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: this with exercises, with myofunctional therapy, very stupid name for
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: an amazing therapy that allows people to stiffen those tissues,
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: to allow you to take that easy breath without any
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: constriction so that you don't snore.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: I guess I don't, I mean, I've been told I snore,
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: but I think it's just sometimes, it's just kind of occasional.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: But I certainly understand how like just starting to breathe
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: through your nose and just have like a pattern that
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: your body can rely on would make everything less stressful.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: What about mouth tape? You hear about mouth tape a lot,
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: is that just.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: So we do know around 60% to 65% of us
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: sleep with an open mouth. We do know if you're
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: breathing through an open mouth at night, it makes you
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: more susceptible to snoring and milder sleep apnea, we know this.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: We know that if you convert to nasal breathing, we
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: know anecdotally at least, That a lot of people claim
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: that they're snoring a lot less, that they're sleeping a
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: lot better. I did a very small experiment at Stanford
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: in which we compared mouth breathing over 10 days to
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: nasal breathing at night. When I was mouth breathing, I
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: don't snore. When I was mouth breathing, I snored throughout
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: the night. I also had sleep apnea. The moment I
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: went to use a little sleep tape to breathe through
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: my nose, it all went away. I've heard this hundreds
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: and hundreds of times because of those mechanics. When air
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: is coming in slower, when it's coming in pressurized, it's
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: a lot harder to make that. Doesn't work for everyone.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: And so you see these advertisers on Instagram or whatever
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: saying everybody needs mouth tape. If you're part of the
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: 40% that sleeps with a closed mouth, you don't need
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: mouth tape. For other people, it's something you might want
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: to explore. I'm not here to push this on anyone.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: I can say it's absolutely changed my sleep. I track
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: my sleep. I have proof that it works. I can
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: also say that thousands of other people have found the
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: same thing.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: Is it hard to use? I've never used it.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: Very, very easy to use. And I'm so addicted to it.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: This is how neurotic I've become that I have a
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: hard time sleeping without it, which is why I travel
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: with it when I'm camping. I bring my little piece
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: of tape. I brought a little piece of tape today.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: I had a feeling you were going to ask me
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: about this. Yeah. In the morning, I had my little
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: roll of tape by me, and I said, I know
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: I'm going to forget this, so I'm going to put
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: it on the back of my watch. So the mouth
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: tape thing, there's all these different brands that weren't around
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: until a couple of years ago, and they're all saying,
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: mine's the best, you can only use this, blah, blah, blah.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: Don't listen to any of that, right? So any micropore tape,
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: surgical tape, This is the technology I'm going to show you.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: This is how sophisticated this technology is. This is micropore
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: tape you can buy at any drugstore. What I do
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: for my mouth tape, I'm done. I can talk to you.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: I can cough, right? If I had a straw, I
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: could take a sip of water. It doesn't look so hot,
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: but what this is doing is it is reminding me
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: throughout the night to breathe through my nose. The point
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: is not to do a hostage situation. I have found,
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: and a lot of other people have found, it's just
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: a reminder. And if you snore, and there's a way
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: you can test this, I'll tell you about it. If
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: you get acclimated to wearing this in the day, this
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: is so important, is wear it for 10 minutes, answering email,
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: doing the dishes, sitting around watching TV, increase that time
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: throughout a couple of weeks, and then move on to
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: trying it at night.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: It's just a reminder.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: This little piece of tape We have heard stories about
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: including asthma, autoimmune issues. Again, these were not studied in
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: an official randomized clinical trial, but it's still important that
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: now with all these wearables, people can track everything. They
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: have their own data and they see what works. But
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: this is it, and it's free and it's available for everybody.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: Wow, that simple. And so that's just been some basically
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: 3M medical tape?
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: It's, I use, I'm not, I don't get paid by
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: any of these brands to say any of this stuff.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: The stuff that I found is pretty good is the
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: 3M Micropore Sensitive Skin Tape. But you can use any
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: other kind of surgical tape. Surgical tape is made to
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: be put on skin and off of skin. What you
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: don't want to use is stuff that has a really
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: thick adhesive because you don't want chapped lips. And also
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: important when you take it off, use your tongue. Do
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: not Do this. If you rip it off after a
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: couple of days, your lips are going to be chapped.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: You're never going to want to do it. If you
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: use your tongue to take it off, no hand, use
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: your tongue, then you're not going to have a problem.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: I've used this stuff consistently for like seven years, and
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: I cannot tell you what a difference this made for
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: my sleep. I didn't think I was a mouth breather
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: at night until I tested it, until I saw the difference.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: Just as you saw, you're like, oh, I'm just going
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: to take a few breaths for 15 seconds. You're like, wow,
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: I feel so much better. Try to do this at night.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: If you're mouth breathing, you're gonna wake up the next
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: morning and be like, oh my God, I have so
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: much more energy. I have so much more clarity. Wow.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: I wanna try that. Yeah, because I've heard about it.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: And I guess it also just trains you to breathe
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: through your nose more.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: Trains you to breathe through your nose. And that's especially
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 2: important at night. And then in the morning, you're already
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: habituated to breathing through your nose.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, does that roll over to the daytime where your brain,
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: you just start getting used to it? Is it really
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: good practice for breathing through your nose?
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: I was a mouth breather my whole life when I
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: was surfing, when I was doing exercising, doing martial arts, whatever.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: I was breathing through my mouth. Nobody told me to
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: do otherwise, right? Once I converted, even started doing it
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: during exercise, I had so much more energy. My recovery
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: time was cut in half by just doing this. So
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: I started at... the nighttime, right? And then it was
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: so much easier to do in the daytime because your
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: nose gets used to it. It's like, oh, I can't
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: be congested now, right? This is the primary way in
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: which you're breathing. And for a lot of people, things
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: clear up pretty soon. For some people if structural issues,
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: deviated septum, problems with their turbinates, whatever, you need surgery.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: You need other more deeper interventions. But for a lot
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: of people, it's just a habit you need to create.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Having some new habits for yourself. Yeah. Yeah. It's just,
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: this is so good to have a nice, just like a,
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: just a reminder. And especially right now in my life,
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: because one of the big things for me is just,
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: I just Yeah, you just feel overwhelmed a lot. What
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: about nasal strips? People use those a lot. I use
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: those sometimes.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: They're great. Helps me. They're amazing. Right now, if you
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: take your fingers, right, and go like this, is that
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: easier for you to breathe this way? So nice. Then
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: you are a good candidate for nasal strips, right? So
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 2: many people have issues with their nostrils. Nostrils aren't big
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: enough or they flutter when you take an inhale in.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: This is called the coddles maneuver. Some guy had to
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: name it after himself, of course. But nasal strips will
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: open up your nostrils to the way they were supposed
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: to have been. God, I like that. Around 30% more airflow.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: And this is why they're marketed to people who suffer
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: from snoring. There's a brand called Mute. I've tried them. Again,
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: I don't get any money from any of this. I
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: thought they were OK. They go in your nose. I
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: didn't like that feeling. It's like this corkscrew thing that
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: goes in your nose. But they're called Mute. Because they
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: mute you at night from snoring because they allow all
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: that airflow up through your nose.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: Oh, and see, our nose is supposed to have more
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: intake because we're supposed to breathe through it more.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: We're not supposed to be this congested. No other animal
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 2: is this congested. Do you see a bear out there
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: that's just like, oh, I have seasonal allergies and asthma.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 2: I can't get up today.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 2: Like it doesn't exist.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: If you saw a bear who was just out there
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: mouth breathing all the time, you'd be like, look at
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: this fricking, look at this bastard over here. Yeah, and
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: I wonder, if we start breathing more in through our noses,
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: or if we breathe in through our noses, do we
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: take more or less breaths in a day than if
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: we do in our mouths?
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: We take far fewer, and that's good, because we're taking fewer,
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: but we're taking deeper breaths. Most of us are over-breathing,
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 2: which is a really bad habit, because you offload this
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: gas called carbon dioxide, right, which causes this vasoconstriction, which
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: causes blood flow problems. So by taking fewer, richer, deeper
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: breaths— we're able to get more oxygen, more energy for
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: less effort. And that's exactly what we want. And our
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: noses are also our first line of defense. So you've
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: got nose hair, right? Most people do. And there's also
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: all of these other pathways that air has to follow
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: through as it makes it into our lungs. Those are
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 2: there for a reason. They help filter out bacteria, viruses, pollutants, dust,
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 2: and everything else. So when we're breathing through the mouth,
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 2: All the crap in the air is going directly to
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 2: my lungs, which causes inflammation and which causes congestion, right?
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: It causes other issues.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: I've heard you talk about how there's more CO2 in
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: a lot of the air we breathe. Like we get
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: stuck in places like planes, office buildings, even schools. And
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: we're stuck breathing kind of recycled air, I guess.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is something I didn't really pay attention to
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 2: when I was doing the first edition of the book,
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: which is something I learned a lot about during that
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: time and wanted to put in a bunch of new
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: pages about the science that I discovered. So I heard
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: this about three, four years ago, that in indoor environments,
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: carbon dioxide levels are through the roof. We always hear
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 2: about outdoor environments, CO2 is going up every year, which
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: is true. It's like 422 parts per million outside. Everyone's
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 2: talking about the outside. No one's talking about the inside.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 2: And the reason why they measure CO2 inside is if
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 2: we're all sitting here, right, and the CO2 levels keep
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 2: going up in here, that's not from a coal plant
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: or exhaust from a car, it's from our exhalations. So
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 2: when you're measuring CO2, you're measuring how many other people's
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: exhalations are in the room. So at a CO2 level
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: of around 2,000 parts per million, which is found in
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: a lot of schools and offices, about one in every
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: 40 breaths or so is someone else's exhalation. Right? Yeah.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 2: And if you get up to like 4,000, 5,000, it's
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: one in every 10 breaths is someone else's exhalation. So
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: I started cruising around. I travel a lot like you do.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 2: I'm always on airplanes and hotels and all that stuff.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 2: And I always feel like crap in these hotels. If
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 2: you've noticed... New hotels, they've glued up all the windows.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 2: Back in the day, you're too young to know this,
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: but back in the day, you used to be able
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 2: to open a window. Maybe not all the way.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: You used to be able to take your own life. Yeah.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 2: Well, I think back in the old day, in the 50s,
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: you want to take your own life? There it is.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 2: That's your problem, not our problem. Lawyers got involved, so...
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: That ruined everything. At least you could open it this much, right?
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: To get fresh... Now you don't have that choice. So
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: I would wake up in these hotels and be... Having
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: not had anything to drink the night before, I would
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: feel totally hungover. My head would hurt. It's like, I
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: wonder how much of this has to do with the
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 2: air quality, how much CO2 is in the environment. Because
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: if we're in an environment with high levels of CO2,
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: anything north of 1,500 parts per million, we have increased
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: chance of having headaches, lethargy. It can cause a bunch
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: of other issues like hypertension, which is high blood pressure.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 2: Kidney calcification, if you're in it for long enough, which
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: are kidney stones, like really rank stuff. This has been
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: measured around the world. It's not controversial. So I've been
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: traveling with this thing, this little monitor, and it tells
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 2: me how much the CO2 is.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: I just want to see it. Really? So is it
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: a breathalyzer? No, no.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: It's recording the amount of CO2 in this room right now. Okay.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: And I kid you not, this is some of the
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: best quality air that I've seen. Usually, this shows like 2,000
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: parts per million, which has been shown 1,500 parts per
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: million in one Harvard study showed that a 50, 5-0%
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 2: decrease in test scores at 1,500 parts per million because
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 2: your body is struggling. It's placing you in that state
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 2: of stress. Most airlines I've recorded.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: Are- We must have had it in my class then.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 2: So one study I read from Harvard said that 1,500
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: parts per million, that's about three, four times higher than
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 2: what the air is in the outside, right? The amount
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 2: of concentration of carbon dioxide can create a 50% decrease
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: in some cognitive tests. So test scores. If you think
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: about what we're doing to kids, we're placing them in
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: a classroom for eight hours at a time, with air
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: quality of 2,500 parts per million. So well north of
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 2: that 1,500 parts per month.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: And that could change place to place for sure.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 2: It changes all the time. In areas that have nice climate, right,
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 2: you have these things called windows. You have a door
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: you have opened up. But a lot of new schools
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 2: right now, just like new hotels, new offices, you cannot
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 2: open the windows. And what I've found is these offices
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: and hotels do this to save money because it costs
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 2: a lot of money to either heat up air or
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 2: cool it down. So instead, they just recycle the same
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: stale air, everyone's exhalations, from room to room to room.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: And I can prove this now because I cruise around
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 2: with one of these things, and I've got a small
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 2: army of 20 other people collecting data. And we're going
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 2: to put all this data available for free that people
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: can start seeing what the air quality is in these
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 2: hotels and airplanes. That's fascinating.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and when you think about where we spend most
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: of our lives, especially since we're more indoor creatures, a
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: lot of us are these days, gosh. We're just in
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: our own little air tomb kind of.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, 90% of our time we spend indoors.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: And if that time spent indoors is not with fresh air, right?
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 2: Your body is always going to be playing catch up.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 2: I don't want to get too neurotic here. Some people
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 2: get crazy, but it's a biological thing. And we know
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 2: that our ancestors always had access to fresh air. And
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 2: it's also measurable. We can see what happens to the brain.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 2: We can see what happens to the body. We're in
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: an old hotel right now, an old classic, right? There's
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 2: windows you can open here. What a difference that makes
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: to get fresh air. It is so nice.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: When you think about an open window and just the
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: energy that it does to a room too, it's so nice.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 2: It's not only the psychosomatic effect, it's a chemical effect
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 2: on your blood pH, right? To be able to have
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 2: fresh air. And I think that this is something that
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 2: is easily fixable. Like there's some airlines that have great air.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 2: There's others that consistently have terrible air. There's some hotels
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 2: that have great air. There's others. So, you know, it's
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 2: a fixable problem.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: It's not... Have you noticed an airline that does or
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: one that stands out to you?
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 2: Yes. Yes. I've... All that will be... will be released
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: when it's time. Because I want to get confirmation from
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 2: other people. Well, dang, I don't want to die between
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 2: now and then. We'll have a little talk off camera.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you what to fly and what not to fly.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: What about this? I've always had this thought. If you
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: have a lot of plants in your home, does that
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: make it better for you in a room? Is the
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: cycle between plants and humans and your lungs and air,
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: is it that quick enough?
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. So fill your room with plants. Snake plants are great.
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 2: Not only do they create more oxygen... really efficiently, but
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 2: they can remove pollutants as well. And who doesn't want
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: to be in a room with a bunch of plants?
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 2: It's such a cool look right from the get-go, but
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 2: it's so beneficial. And also to have that energy. There's
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 2: the ineffable thing. It's like you're around a bunch of
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 2: living things. It's a good feeling. Bring up a snake plant.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: I want to see one. I think my old... assistant
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: just sent me a snake plant that came in the
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: mail the other day. I just put some more. Yup,
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: she sure did. I got this tall box and it
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: had a plant in it. But yeah, it was a
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: snake plant.
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 2: So those are like those leaves. It's amazing. Those are
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 2: like big air filters, right? Because that's what leaves are.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 2: They suck in CO2. And they give off oxygen. That's
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: what forests do.
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: It's like nature's lungs, kind of.
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 2: It's nature's lungs. And it was this perfect balance.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: Look at that lady. She got a big one, huh?
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: That's a black one.
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, her hair is fresh. I mean, and look at
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 2: how fresh her pants are. Smiling. Yeah, yeah, huh?
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: She likes it a little mixed below the waist, you
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: can tell down there. Could I even put plants in
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: my car? Like, is it that close of enough things?
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 2: You could be one of those people that puts Legos
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 2: on the outside of your car and plants on the inside,
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 2: like there's no judgment here. You can have an art car,
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: that's okay. I think a small plant like that isn't
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: gonna do much. It might look cool, so why not
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 2: do it? What some companies are doing, like algae is
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: really efficient at sucking up CO2 and giving off oxygen.
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: So some companies... Algae is? Algae, they're selling these big
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 2: tubes of algae that you feed. So you have I
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 2: don't know if that looks as cool as a snake plant,
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 2: but to me it's kind of, it's a nice talking
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 2: point at dinner parties.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's super interesting, algae.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's what happens. The ocean is the world's lungs, right?
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 2: That's where we get, what, half of our oxygen. I
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 2: think it's even more than that is from the ocean,
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 2: from algae. Yes, yes.
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: Wow, I didn't know that at all.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 2: Isn't that funny, though, if you look at that, They're
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 2: just mimicking leaves of a large tree, of a large plant.
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 2: It's an artificial plant, which is cool.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: It is cool, but it's definitely like, hey, just get
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: some plants.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 2: Just get some plants. But you can't, you know, to
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 2: charge an airport 20 grand for that thing or for
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: 200 for plants. No one's making a lot of cash
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: from that.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that's a good point. They always find a
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: way to take something that we already have redo it
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: and make it like more fancy and then sell it
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: back to you and really it's just the same thing.
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: Germany uses algae tubes on buildings to produce biofuel, generating
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: energy and absorbing CO2 at the same time. Wow, that's
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: pretty interesting.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: They use that to make biodiesel that you can run
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 2: that oil that they extract from that in a diesel car.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 2: I have a 40-year-old Mercedes old 300D that you can
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 2: run it off of vegetable oil, used vegetable oil.
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: No way.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 2: Yes, I've been doing this for years. It's a real thing.
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 2: So they have a twofer right there. They're removing CO2,
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 2: making new oxygen, and they're also creating fuel.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, in Germany, buildings are going green, literally, with the
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: use of algae-filled tubes mounted on their exteriors. These transparent
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: tubes house fast-growing microalgae that absorb carbon dioxide from the
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: air and use sunlight to grow, all while producing valuable biomass.
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: The living facade serves two purposes. It helps cool the
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: building by providing shade, and generates biofuel. The system is
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: known as the bioreactor facade. The algae not only captures
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: CO2 emissions, but also produce oxygen, making them natural air purifiers.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: What plants produce the most oxygen?
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 2: I believe it's algae. I think Irish ivy snake plants
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 2: are also really good. They're all gonna do it, but
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 2: at different levels of efficiency. I'm curious what the researchers
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 2: here find.
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: Erica Palm and Snake Plant topped the list for indoor
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 1: plants that produce the most oxygen. These plants excel at
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: photosynthesis and air purification, releasing significant oxygen while absorbing toxins
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: like benzene and formaldehyde.
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 2: Let me see.
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 1: Pothos, P-O-T-H-O-S, reduces CO2 effectively and filters pollutants at night.
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: Spider Plant purifies air of carbon monoxide and formaldehyde while
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: boosting oxygen. Aloe vera releases oxygen nocturnally and removes toxins
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: like benzene.
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 2: It's kind of cool.
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: You go to sleep and your plants are out there
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: helping you out. Night, little soldiers.
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you got four billion years of evolution
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 2: here to build systems.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is crazy. It's so crazy how it's like
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: we do all these steps to get back to, to
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: just try to get back to baseline.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: And that's pop those right there. Oh, yeah, I've seen
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: those before. I think my mom has. Moms have a
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: lot of those. Um, yeah, you just forget it. I
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: forget about most people don't, but I forget about nature
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: so much. Unfortunately. Um, I don't forget about, I long
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: for it. I think I just work a lot, mostly indoors,
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: you know? Um, I wanted to ask you about asthma.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: I feel like growing up, like we all had a
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: friend with asthma or being lazy. That's what our PE
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: teacher called it. But, um, what, what, uh, do you,
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: do you have any advice for parents that have children
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: with asthma or for people suffering with asthma? about how
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: they could adjust their breathing techniques or is that not associated? Sure.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 2: So asthma is treated now with bronchodilators and oral steroids.
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 2: This is what they give people with asthma and they
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 2: both work really, really well. But again, they're not addressing
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 2: the core issue. What's the core issue of asthma? Like
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 2: sudden inflammation of the airway, right? To where you can't breathe.
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 2: And it's this constriction and this paranoia. What we have learned... irrefutably,
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 2: this is what we've learned, is that people with asthma
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 2: almost always have a very low tolerance for carbon dioxide.
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 2: And another way I'll say this is they can hardly
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 2: hold their breath. You ask an asthmatic to hold their breath,
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 2: they go.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 2: Wow. So they have habituated themselves, not all asthmatics, but
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 2: a lot of them have habituated themselves to be mouth breathers,
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 2: to be constantly over-breathing. So when they sense that they
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 2: are unable to breathe and that CO2 goes up, because
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 2: that's what happens when you hold your breath, that CO2
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 2: goes up, it sets off alarm bells in their brain
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 2: that this is an emergency. They're having an attack. So
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 2: then they over-breathe more, which constricts everything more, makes it
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 2: harder for them to breathe, makes it harder for them
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 2: to get oxygen. And then they over-breathe more and then
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 2: they have an attack. So what we've known for over
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 2: 70 years is that one of the most effective ways
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 2: of reducing symptoms of asthma is to learn to breathe slower,
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 2: is to learn to breathe through the nose, and is
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 2: to learn when you feel an attack instead of hyperventilating
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 2: and exacerbating that attack to take control of it. to
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 2: start to breathe slow, to hold your breath for two seconds, two,
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 2: three seconds, to let it go, to slightly and calmly
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 2: build that carbon dioxide, which will keep your airways open.
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 2: There is a Russian doctor called Buteyko who studied this
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 2: and researched it for decades, 70, 80 years ago. This
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 2: is still taught all over the place. And I have
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 2: heard from so many people. There's about two dozen studies
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 2: showing how effective carbon just learning how to breathe slower
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 2: and how intimately your breathing habits are tied to your
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 2: symptoms of asthma. Yeah.
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: I never, I, I never struggled with it, but yeah,
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: when you see people that struggle with it, uh, yeah,
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: I know that.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 1: I know a lot of people deal with that. Um, Oh,
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 1: before you leave, uh, you always hear the theory, uh,
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: or you always hear the saying in through your nose,
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: out through your mouth. Is that true?
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 2: It depends. If you're working out, sometimes that's really effective.
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 2: When I'm talking about mouth breathing, just so people aren't confused,
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 2: I'm not talking about if you willingly want to take
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 2: a breath through your mouth. You're doing some breath work,
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 2: you want to breathe through your mouth. You're LeBron and
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 2: you're dunking on some dude and you want to take
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 2: a mouth breath. All that's good because that's something you're
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 2: consciously doing. I'm talking about the unconscious stuff. I'm So
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 2: in through the nose, out through your mouth can be
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 2: effective in some stages of athletic performance. For most zone one, two,
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 2: and three, in through the nose, out through the nose
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 2: is going to be so much more beneficial. And this
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 2: is the one thing elite trainers are really getting into now.
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 2: The number one thing they have their athletes do, it
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 2: doesn't matter if they're an Olympian or a fighter or
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 2: a cyclist, is they look at their breathing. And they
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 2: teach them how to breathe slower and lower. If you
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 2: think about it, if you're able to conserve more energy
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 2: by taking fewer breaths and getting more oxygen, what can
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 2: you do with that energy? You can beat your opponent, right?
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 2: And that's why they're interested in it. But not only
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 2: for competitive athletes, but everybody can benefit from this.
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: So it's safe to say, look, we can go ahead
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: and change it then. It's in through your nose, out
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 1: through your nose.
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. Well, depending on what you're doing, right? So you
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 2: need context around this. It is the vast majority of
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 2: the time for 80, 85% of athletic endurance sports. It's
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 2: in through the nose, out through the nose. Yes. Amen.
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 1: I like that. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. For people
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 1: that have smoked most of their lives and are changing
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: that now, are there breathing techniques that they can do
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: or anything specific? Or is it just in through the nose,
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 1: out through the nose?
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't think it's been well studied.
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 2: I would suggest if in through the nose, out through
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 2: the nose for that five to six seconds in, five
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 2: to six seconds out, if that can help people with
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 2: ground glass lesions. the way it can, the way we
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 2: know it can, it could probably be very beneficial for smokers.
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 2: But I don't know any data that would support that.
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 2: But again, you're going to get other benefits. you know,
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 2: beyond the potential benefit of removing more toxins from your lungs. Yeah.
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 1: Oh, if you got 9-11 lung or you got, dang,
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: I'm sure they can handle Parliament lungs or whatever. You know?
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: James Nestor, thanks so much for joining us today, man.
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 2: Thanks a lot for having me.
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I appreciate it, and I appreciate your patience. You
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: guys can all go grab his New York Times bestseller.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 1: The revised edition is out now.
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 2: It's out now. Yeah, just released about last week. Breath.
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: The New Science of a Lost Art. Thank you so much, brother.
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 2: Thanks a lot.
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 2: Now I'm just floating on the breeze And I feel
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 2: I'm falling like these leaves I must be cornerstone Oh,
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 2: but when I
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: Reach that ground I'll share this peace of mind I
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 1: found I can feel it in my bones