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7/20/26: Trump Insider Trading, ICE Shooter Details Exposed, Tim Dillon Rips JD Vance · Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar

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Speaker 1: dot com. Turning now to insider trading, our great friend
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Speaker 1: of the show, Philip Wegman out with a great story
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Speaker 1: over the Wall Street Journal. Let's put it up here
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Speaker 1: on the screen. The New Washington Temptation Inside Information and
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Speaker 1: a Prediction market account, and they detail multiple instances inside
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Speaker 1: the White House or around the White House, members of
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Speaker 1: Congress and others who are complicit and or allegedly complicit
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Speaker 1: in insider trading, with some very eyebrow raising accusation. So
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Speaker 1: let's start with the first one, which is inside the
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Speaker 1: White House back in March people or back in April,
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Speaker 1: people began to panic why because they found multiple suspicious
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Speaker 1: trades on polymarket, where anonymous accounts made over six hundred
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Speaker 1: thousand dollars correctly betting on an April ceasefire announcement. Because
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Speaker 1: of Polymarket's anonymity, whenever it comes to their account status,
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Speaker 1: they have no idea who these people were. All they
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Speaker 1: were able to do was released a March memo telling
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Speaker 1: staff they are prohibited from using non public information for
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Speaker 1: financial benefit. However, there are a few other interesting ones.
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Speaker 1: Let's put the next one up there on the screen.
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Speaker 1: They talk here about how an anecdote over lunch at
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Speaker 1: the stowball House, a popular members only social club in Tampa.
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Speaker 1: US Representative Anna Paulina Luna of Florida told associates in
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Speaker 1: the summer of twenty twenty four that she knew Trump
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Speaker 1: would choose Vance to be his vice president. According to
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Speaker 1: people familiar with the common station, she said she had
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Speaker 1: tipped off Rogan o'handley, a popular MAGA influencer known as
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Speaker 1: d C Draino, about Trump's pending decision, so that he
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Speaker 1: could use the information to place a winning bet on Polymarket.
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Speaker 1: Now to be clear, Poullinea, Luna, and o'hanley both deny
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Speaker 1: the accusation, and apparently it is being investigated by the CFTC,
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Speaker 1: the Commodity's Future Trading Commission. Apparently she has filed some
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Speaker 1: separate thing where she says it's a fault ascusation. I'm
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Speaker 1: just laying out the details. Oh Handling, by the way,
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Speaker 1: has separately told associates that he was behind a long
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Speaker 1: shot attempt, mostly by social media, to get Trump to
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Speaker 1: consider Luna as his running mate, and when the Congressman
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Speaker 1: told o'hanley that Provance would get the nod instead, he
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Speaker 1: placed a winning bet on polymarket the person set. Again,
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Speaker 1: they have denied it, but that's one little anecdote that
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Speaker 1: we have over there. We also have D three, just
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Speaker 1: probably the most insane example that I've ever seen. Trump's
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Speaker 1: teleprompter operator is now on unpaid leave for alleged prediction
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Speaker 1: market bets on Trump speeches. And apparently it's not the
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Speaker 1: White House that flag this, it was Calshi, the cheap
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Speaker 1: enforcement officer over at Calshi contact federal regulators about bets
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Speaker 1: allegedly made about what the President would say in a
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Speaker 1: public address. The White House Press secretary said the president
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Speaker 1: is aware of the situation, which she described as unfortunate
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Speaker 1: and a disgrace, but has not yet said that he
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Speaker 1: would be fired. ABC News had reported Thursday that Gabriel Perez,
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Speaker 1: who has been operating Trump's telepromter since twenty sixteen, used
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Speaker 1: inside knowledge to win more than one hundred thousand dollars
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Speaker 1: betting on what the president would say in big speeches.
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Speaker 1: The chief enforcement officer of CALSHI said that their surveillance
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Speaker 1: team flagged, investigated, and referred those trades to the CFTC.
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Speaker 1: But you could see pretty specific and this is where
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Speaker 1: CALSHI look. I guess good for you, thank you for
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Speaker 1: reporting this. But why do we have prediction markets? One
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Speaker 1: Trump is going to say, period in every single speech
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Speaker 1: that he says. Markets on the number of times that
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Speaker 1: he'll say these things. And by the way, there are
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Speaker 1: viral reels or tiktoks all over of guys who are
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Speaker 1: sitting there betting on Trump saying the word low IQ
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Speaker 1: or something like that this week, and then sitting there
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Speaker 1: sweating their bets cheering. Many of these go viral. I'm
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Speaker 1: almost certain that they're paid by some company or others
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Speaker 1: like this is too how you can get rich betting
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Speaker 1: on these prediction markets. I mean it's scum behave anybody
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Speaker 1: else see all the Calshi advertising around the wall what
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Speaker 1: is it the around the World Cup? Anybody else see
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Speaker 1: old Timothy Shallomey man that will hurt. That one hurt.
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Speaker 1: I'll be honest. I love shallameg so seeing the Calci
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Speaker 1: commercial it killed me. But look, this is the reality.
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Speaker 1: It's a sports betting playbook. You know, they allegedly report
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Speaker 1: these types of things, But nobody asked the bigger question,
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Speaker 1: why do we have this in the first place? Why
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Speaker 1: are you allowed to bet period on who Trump is
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Speaker 1: gonna pick for his vice president? Or what are some
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Speaker 1: of the other examples here in the Wall Street Journal?
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Speaker 1: I mean all kinds of stuff like.
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Speaker 2: Well, another good one. Remember our old friend Mark Moran,
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Speaker 2: who was so this is the guy who is I
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Speaker 2: guess running for Senate in Virginia as an independent. He
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Speaker 2: put on that weird video that our rooms saying it
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Speaker 2: looked like an alienate in habit in his body does
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Speaker 2: a lot of weird like hand gestures. Anyway, he had
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Speaker 2: already gotten caught for allegedly insider trading, and he came
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Speaker 2: out said, oh, I was doing it to prove a
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Speaker 2: point about how bad this is. Okay, well, he's another
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Speaker 2: one who's in here who got a tip from someone
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Speaker 2: who worked at Heritage Foundation. He alleges it was this guy,
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Speaker 2: Jake Denton. Jake Denton denies it that Vance was going
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Speaker 2: to be the VP. He placed a bet and told
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Speaker 2: some other friends that they should get in on the
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Speaker 2: action based on this intel from the Heritage Foundation. And
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Speaker 2: you know, it was in the grand scheme of things.
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Speaker 2: As far as these things go. Small potatoes made over
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Speaker 2: six hundred dollars on the exchange. Just shows you how
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Speaker 2: endemic this is, though, because I keep thinking about, you know,
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Speaker 2: we're getting these like basically penny ante examples of this.
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Speaker 2: You know, the teleprompter operator making one hundred grand. There's
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Speaker 2: a lot of money for most Peopleeole. But you've got
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Speaker 2: people who are making millions in these schemes. You had
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Speaker 2: that sixty minutes report that connected nine different accounts who
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Speaker 2: were making millions betting on different military operations with a
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Speaker 2: ninety eight percent success rate. You're telling me they're just
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Speaker 2: getting lucky, of course not. These are insiders who are
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Speaker 2: racking up millions of dollars. And then of course you
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Speaker 2: couple on top of that, like hot there all of
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Speaker 2: the market manipulations from Trump. You think they're not profiting
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Speaker 2: on all of these tweets that come out from Trump
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Speaker 2: talking about different companies, talking about whatever's happening with the
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Speaker 2: Iran war, et cetera, and the latest sort of overt
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Speaker 2: play in this regard, we can put D four up
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Speaker 2: on the screen. I mean, again, this is just so
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Speaker 2: incredibly scummy that this is our economy now. Trump Media
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Speaker 2: pitched one hundred thousand dollars monthly fee for a fastest
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Speaker 2: feed of the US president's post. And this is explicitly
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Speaker 2: why would you pay one hundred thousand dollars for that?
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Speaker 2: Because you want a month trade of right, a month
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Speaker 2: so that you could trade off it so that you
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Speaker 2: could be the first one into the market. After Trump
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Speaker 2: tweets out like hey loving Microsoft this month or whatever
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Speaker 2: it is that he puts in.
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Speaker 1: The right rore on oil, I mean, you're an if
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Speaker 1: you're an oil trader. Have you ever read the book
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Speaker 1: Flashboys by Michael Lewis. It was a very very good book.
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Speaker 1: I came out I'm probably almost fifteen years ago at
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Speaker 1: this point. I'm sure things have changed, but he detailed
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Speaker 1: the original kind of high frequency trading and what you're
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Speaker 1: talking about the first to market news were even milliseconds
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Speaker 1: make a difference because that way you can place microbats
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Speaker 1: so physically at tax on the entire market syst that's
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Speaker 1: what this is. It's overt They're literally like, hey, we
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Speaker 1: have a post which we know will be market moving,
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Speaker 1: and you have to pay first to get access to it. Yeah, okay,
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Speaker 1: I mean makes sense if you're a private company and
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Speaker 1: you're aggregating this information, not when you're the person creating
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Speaker 1: the information and then selling for the right to do it,
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Speaker 1: especially whenever you are the president of the United States. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and I mean, look, it's exactly as you said where yeah, look,
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Speaker 1: we're focused on all this piddly nonsense like six and
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Speaker 1: I don't mean to downplay it, as you said, one
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Speaker 1: hundred k that's a lot of money, but there are
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Speaker 1: people out there making hundreds of millions of dollars in
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Speaker 1: bets on oil, which we all know it's out in
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Speaker 1: the open. We've done segments on this in the first place.
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Speaker 1: So it's both at the micro and the macro level.
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Speaker 1: If anything, you're like, why are you selling this money
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Speaker 1: for so little? And just to give everybody an inside
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Speaker 1: example that involves us here at the show. The only
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Speaker 1: thing stopping me from making a shit pot of money
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Speaker 1: on Grand Platner dropping out is my own ethics. That
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Speaker 1: but it shouldn't be that way because guess what, Ryan
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Speaker 1: and we talked about this on AMA. Ryan had heard
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Speaker 1: basically the full story about what was coming. They were
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Speaker 1: waiting for it to come out. We had this forty
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Speaker 1: eight hours. I could have made ninety nine to one
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Speaker 1: money on a prediction market if I wanted to. Same
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Speaker 1: with Weed. I remember reporting out that Weed story about
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Speaker 1: how Trump was going to reschedule Weed. I was on
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Speaker 1: the phone making calls trying to confirm the story. But
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Speaker 1: it's funny as I was reporting it and word starts
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Speaker 1: to get out. I can watch the there's some et
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Speaker 1: ef or index fund which tracks weed stocks and think
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Speaker 1: it's called the m Sauce or something. I'm watching this
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Speaker 1: thing start to climb up, right, and I'm using this
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Speaker 1: as part of a store. But what stopped me from
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Speaker 1: buying it? Nothing is that illegal? I don't think so, right,
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Speaker 1: I'm not a government official. I could do whatever I
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Speaker 1: want I technically have access to this non public information,
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Speaker 1: but not through nefarious means or any of that. I'm
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Speaker 1: just doing my job. Nothing stopped me from making ninety
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Speaker 1: nine to one money other than my disgust at these
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Speaker 1: people and this industry. It should not be that way.
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Speaker 1: I can guarantee you that not a lot of people
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Speaker 1: who are going to do that right, And that's the
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Speaker 1: issue I think with this entire you shouldn't even be
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Speaker 1: able to in the first place. Also, that is not
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Speaker 1: even fair because I literally had inside information, so did Ryan,
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Speaker 1: so did our whole crew over here. Well that's not
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Speaker 1: fair because it's not it's a public marketplace, which means
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Speaker 1: we're basically stealing moneycause a paramutual trade. We're taking somebody
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Speaker 1: else's money. Yeah, you know from this that shows you
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Speaker 1: where you got some you know guy out there who's like, oh,
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Speaker 1: you know, this is an easy way for me to
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Speaker 1: make a one percent on my money, which please contact
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Speaker 1: me for personal financial advice if that's somebody else you
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Speaker 1: know who's doing something like that. But you do have
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Speaker 1: a lot of dumb money which is out there in
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Speaker 1: good faith with no inside info, which is trading on
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Speaker 1: this stuff. And is it really fair that I could
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Speaker 1: steal that person's money just because of the job that
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Speaker 1: I have. I don't think so, I just don't.
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Speaker 2: It's only going to get worse. I mean, as the
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Speaker 2: economic situation becomes worse, as people become more hopeless, as
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Speaker 2: AI takes jobs this as the more desperate people are,
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Speaker 2: the more these markets will flourish, and the more that
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Speaker 2: the money of the lower classes will be funneled into
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Speaker 2: the pockets of insiders. I mean, that's what's going on here.
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Speaker 2: You see it so clearly that you know, pay one
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Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars a month to get early access to
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Speaker 2: Trump's tweets, Like normal people are not going to have
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Speaker 2: the money to do that. So who's going to benefit
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Speaker 2: from that. Obviously it's going to be big players, going
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Speaker 2: to be people who are already wildly wealthy, or if
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Speaker 2: you happen to be you know, Trump or Trump family
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Speaker 2: member or close Trump associate, who knows what he's going
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Speaker 2: to tweet out before he tweets it out, you're in
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Speaker 2: prime position to be able.
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Speaker 3: To profit off of all of this.
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Speaker 2: So it's yet another funnel from the poor in the
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Speaker 2: working class up to the wealthy and insiders and elites
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Speaker 2: in this country, and yeah, it's grotesque, it's a disaster,
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Speaker 2: and it's increasingly, you know, this is the substitute for
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Speaker 2: the American dream instead of work hard, played by the rules.
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Speaker 2: It's hope you get some insider tips so that you
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Speaker 2: can make your own bank the way that the play,
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Speaker 2: the game that the big boys play, and gets your
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Speaker 2: own chance at the good life through betting in these
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Speaker 2: prediction markets.
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Speaker 1: That's all it is, all right, let's get to the
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Speaker 1: next one.
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Speaker 2: Last week we covered the killing of an immigrant in
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Speaker 2: Maine by an ICE officer.
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Speaker 3: We now know the identity of that.
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Speaker 2: ICE agent, a guy by the name of David Briette,
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Speaker 2: and his former wives as well as some of his
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Speaker 2: family members are speaking out talking about how mentally unstable
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Speaker 2: he is, his violent tendency, how they had to take
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Speaker 2: him to court, how he was violent against those wives
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Speaker 2: and his children. Let's go ahead and take a listen
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Speaker 2: to one of those wives who bravely went on the
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Speaker 2: record talking about her experience with him.
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Speaker 4: David back in November brought up that he had accepted
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Speaker 4: a job with ICE. I thought of that it was
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Speaker 4: just a delusional thing, because I'm used to him talking
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Speaker 4: crazy so to speak. So I said, yeah, sure you are, buddy.
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Speaker 4: You know, I didn't realize that he was actually working
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Speaker 4: for ICE until a yesterday, and I was completely shocked
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Speaker 4: because I'm like, how do you keep getting into these
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Speaker 4: jobs where you're around guns all the time. I asked
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Speaker 4: him what was going on. He told me that I
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Speaker 4: don't need to be answering questions for anybody, that all
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Speaker 4: I needed to know was that it was a justified
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Speaker 4: shooting and that he didn't do it. And he claimed
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Speaker 4: that this man had tried to run him over, and
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Speaker 4: I said, I don't see that in anything, and I've
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Speaker 4: watched it from all angles. All I seen is how
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Speaker 4: the car was going to circle after the fact. And
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Speaker 4: then he's like, well, I need you to lie about
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Speaker 4: my character because this is how like, this is what
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Speaker 4: it comes down to, is my character. I don't want
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Speaker 4: you talking about any of the abuse in our relationship,
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Speaker 4: like this is literally about me. Actually, I told him
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Speaker 4: that I was not going to lie for him, that
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Speaker 4: I've waited years to speak my truth. I've been silenced
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Speaker 4: long enough, and now I need to come out with
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Speaker 4: everything because a man lost his life. It was abuse
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Speaker 4: not only to me but to our daughter, and even
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Speaker 4: being divorced from him, I've dealt with harass and phone calls,
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Speaker 4: threats of him wanting to kill me. I believe that
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Speaker 4: this man was murdered. I believe that David's mental health
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Speaker 4: played a part in what happened. I think what happened
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Speaker 4: was he was standing there during that operation, had a
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Speaker 4: PTSD moment and hit fight or flight mode, and unfortunately
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Speaker 4: a man lost his life due to it.
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Speaker 2: So this gives you a window into the type of
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Speaker 2: people who are being hired and the complete lack of vetting.
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Speaker 2: I would say intentionally because obviously Steven Miller and others
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Speaker 2: want there to be a level of fear and cruelty
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Speaker 2: that is evident on the streets. Can put the AP
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Speaker 2: reporting up on the screen here they have kind of
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Speaker 2: a TikTok of this man's entire life. The headline here
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Speaker 2: is ice officer in main shooting has history of violent behavior.
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Speaker 2: Family and records say, here's some of the details. The
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Speaker 2: ex wife, whom the AAP is not identifying because she
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Speaker 2: fears retaliation, She did later come forward alleged he had
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Speaker 2: stalked and harassed her, physically and verbally abused his daughter.
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Speaker 2: According to multiple requests for temporary protection orders, but yet
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Speaker 2: tackled his teenage daughter and smashed spaghetti in her hair.
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Speaker 2: During another outburst, he dragged his daughter around the house
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Speaker 2: as she cried, let's go and put the next one
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Speaker 2: up on the screen. According to a message that one
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Speaker 2: of the ex wives shared with AP, he repeatedly called
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Speaker 2: her disgusting, suggested she and the other women and girls
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Speaker 2: in her bloodline should die. Quote all of you should
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Speaker 2: have your effing throats cut. The voicemail said that the
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Speaker 2: AP listened to, Yeah, you should. Am I threatening that
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Speaker 2: I'm going to do that?
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Speaker 3: Nope? Nope?
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Speaker 2: But do I think that you should have your effing
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Speaker 2: throats cuts or should have had them cut?
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Speaker 1: Yep?
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Speaker 2: This is the man who was hired by Ice. Let's
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Speaker 2: put the next one up on the screen. The lawsuit
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Speaker 2: that Briett filed in late twenty twenty three against the
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Speaker 2: main community college system which administered training where he was
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Speaker 2: earlier injured, said he was still significantly impaired in his
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Speaker 2: inactivities and in his daily living. The suit alleged his
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Speaker 2: postconcuss of injuries impaired his cognitive functioning and impaired his memory,
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Speaker 2: so his life story is and you had another relative
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Speaker 2: who came forward who said, I cut off contact with
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Speaker 2: this guy because I was fearful that he was going
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Speaker 2: to be violent towards me. He was diagnosed with extreme
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Speaker 2: bipolar and ADHD when he was young, had severe mental
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Speaker 2: health episodes, including trying to kill himself when he was
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Speaker 2: twelve years old, tried to enlist in the army out
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Speaker 2: of high school. The army said no because of the
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Speaker 2: mental health history. They encouraged him to go off of
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Speaker 2: his meds and try again, which he did in a year.
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Speaker 2: Then he ends up enlisting in the army. I think
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Speaker 2: he was in the main Army National Guard deployees to Afghanistan.
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Speaker 2: You also have a quote in here of a family
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Speaker 2: member who said, in Afghanistan, this is really where he
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Speaker 2: really was trained to be violent, trained to be what
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Speaker 2: they described as a monster. Comes back, is floating around
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Speaker 2: all different jobs. At one point he's working as a
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Speaker 2: corrections officer, and you know, racking up these violent incidents
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Speaker 2: with his wives and with his children. And then as
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Speaker 2: the one ex wife says, he called her and said, Hey,
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Speaker 2: I'm going to be an ice agent. She was like, yeah, sure, yeah,
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Speaker 2: Su're right. I'm sure the government wants to give you
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Speaker 2: a gun and put you in charge of anything. She
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Speaker 2: thought he was literally delusional, But no, they actually actually
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Speaker 2: did that.
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Speaker 3: Let's put a six up on the screen.
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Speaker 2: This is some details from the second ex wife here
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Speaker 2: said that he is capable of this level of extreme violence.
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Speaker 2: She also felt the need to speak out about this
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Speaker 2: Ice agent. And this is just complete, complete insanity, especially
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Speaker 2: given Sager the way that these I say, I mean,
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Speaker 2: it's insanity, period, end of story, to give a guy
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Speaker 2: like this a gun and the level of power that
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Speaker 2: he has, but especially when you consider the level of
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Speaker 2: impunity that they have been allowed to exercise, the amount
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Speaker 2: of violence that they have perpetrated. This was not the
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Speaker 2: first or the last killing from an ICE agent, unfortunately,
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Speaker 2: and so you can see as in their rush to
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Speaker 2: bring all of these new guys in send them out
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Speaker 2: into American streets, they've got an absolute psycho wife and
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Speaker 2: child beater that they put into this position. And now
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Speaker 2: a man is dead and his family is missing him.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Brulette, by the way, did not respond to any request
17:46
Speaker 1: for comment whenever he was asked about this. A lot
17:49
Speaker 1: of this, as you said, is pulled from court records
17:51
Speaker 1: from AP interviews. He was given a chance, I was
17:54
Speaker 1: contacted by the Associated Press. If he were to do so,
17:57
Speaker 1: we would update a story in terms of what he said.
17:59
Speaker 1: But yes, out we do know that he recently joined ICE,
18:03
Speaker 1: had recently seemed taken a what is it twenty twenty five,
18:06
Speaker 1: had taken a real estate exam, does seem like Afghanistan PTSD,
18:11
Speaker 1: and all of that became a significant part of his story,
18:13
Speaker 1: on top of what was already according these court records,
18:15
Speaker 1: looks like very volatile behavior. And look, I mean, I
18:19
Speaker 1: think that it is incumbent upon law enforcement military generally
18:24
Speaker 1: that if you're going to put immense powers in people's hands,
18:27
Speaker 1: that you need to have some level of trust. And unfortunately,
18:30
Speaker 1: this is a very common story, I think, both in
18:33
Speaker 1: a lot of branches of law enforcement. Yeah, you know,
18:36
Speaker 1: the bodycam is the worst thing that ever happened to them,
18:38
Speaker 1: And part of the problem in this incident bodycam wasn't
18:42
Speaker 1: being worn, which is against it was, it was not
18:45
Speaker 1: turned on. It's not turned on, and so you had
18:48
Speaker 1: basically he said, he said situation. Then you had the
18:52
Speaker 1: initial statement by the DHS where I mean I said
18:55
Speaker 1: it their hit like whenever, if you can't say I
18:59
Speaker 1: feared for my life and discharge my weapon, that's all
19:02
Speaker 1: you've got. Because if you have I fear for public
19:05
Speaker 1: safety and discharge my weapon and a man was killed,
19:08
Speaker 1: good luck, there's I have. There is no single justification
19:11
Speaker 1: use of force doctrine. And you know, I previously we
19:14
Speaker 1: talked about many of these other instances, and I know
19:16
Speaker 1: it's unpopular. I think most of them you're probably going
19:19
Speaker 1: to get off in a court of lot just because
19:20
Speaker 1: of the extraordinary deference that police get in law enforcement shootings.
19:24
Speaker 1: Not this one, definitely not. Whenever you have a moving
19:28
Speaker 1: vehicle where you you know, against your own guidance, you
19:30
Speaker 1: try to move, you try to stop said vehicle, and
19:33
Speaker 1: then you can't even say I feared for my life
19:35
Speaker 1: in that moment. And maybe I don't know what he
19:37
Speaker 1: said to the initial investigators. Obviously he probably can't speak
19:40
Speaker 1: because for legal reasons. But you know, if you have,
19:42
Speaker 1: if you've got this level of documented problems in your history,
19:46
Speaker 1: and then putting guns in those people's hands, and then
19:49
Speaker 1: it becomes in a hyper politicized moment, it's a it's
19:53
Speaker 1: a disaster.
19:53
Speaker 2: Well, and let me play another aspect of this because
19:55
Speaker 2: we touched on this some when we were covering this.
19:57
Speaker 2: This this killing occurred right on the heels of a similar,
20:01
Speaker 2: very similar situation in Texas where an immigrant was killed.
20:05
Speaker 2: And so Tom Homan went on the Sunday Shows and
20:08
Speaker 2: Margaret Brenham challenged him because he's like, well, they should
20:11
Speaker 2: just comply, and she said, well, how do they even
20:13
Speaker 2: know that this is, you know, a law enforcement operation
20:17
Speaker 2: because you've got unmarked cars. The guy in Texas, his
20:20
Speaker 2: family explicitly said he thought he was being carjacked, which
20:23
Speaker 2: any reasonable person, you've got these cycle, unmarked cars trying
20:26
Speaker 2: to you know, push you off the road. He had
20:28
Speaker 2: a bunch of equipment in the back of his van.
20:30
Speaker 2: He's thinking, they're trying to steal my stuff from my
20:33
Speaker 2: work vehicle. Tom Hollman was challenged on this and really
20:36
Speaker 2: ultimately crumbles under pressure and admits that there may have
20:39
Speaker 2: been a problem with the way that the protocol went down. Here.
20:42
Speaker 3: This is E zero. Let's take a listen to that.
20:45
Speaker 5: These were fatal shootings, of course in Houston and in Maine.
20:49
Speaker 5: In Houston, it was an unmarked car. So when you're
20:51
Speaker 5: saying don't resist these individuals who were chasing the man
20:58
Speaker 5: who died. They didn't have marketings on that vehicle that
21:02
Speaker 5: would allow for him to.
21:03
Speaker 3: Know that they were ice. It just looked like a
21:07
Speaker 3: car coming after them.
21:08
Speaker 4: In the videos.
21:10
Speaker 6: No, they have emergency lights. Officers have insignia, so when
21:14
Speaker 6: they get that car and prost the car, you can
21:15
Speaker 6: clearly see the law enforcement officers.
21:17
Speaker 5: Well in the video that has been public it's not.
21:21
Speaker 6: These these people. I'm not saying it's a mark car,
21:25
Speaker 6: but they have emergency lights and siren. So when they
21:27
Speaker 6: post some mother they want to activate the emergency lights.
21:30
Speaker 6: A lot of a lot of police departments say, hey,
21:32
Speaker 6: I'm in New York City right now. A lot of
21:33
Speaker 6: NYPD officers are driving on marked vehicles and that helps
21:37
Speaker 6: them find people that don't want to be found, right, So,
21:40
Speaker 6: you know. But bottom line is, we'll see when the
21:43
Speaker 6: investigation plays out, but they would be live today if
21:46
Speaker 6: they simply complied with a vehicle stop by federal law
21:50
Speaker 6: enforce notic just comply you can if you don't think
21:53
Speaker 6: you're being treated right and they had no reason to
21:55
Speaker 6: stop you, then there's there's avenues that take them in
21:58
Speaker 6: the court to sue.
21:59
Speaker 5: The family of the man in Houston, so he thought
22:02
Speaker 5: he was being robbed because it was an unmarked vehicle,
22:06
Speaker 5: not that it was law enforcement at all.
22:08
Speaker 6: They had emergency lights. They activate emergency lights, blue light.
22:13
Speaker 6: You know, you know in my vehicle, I drive Worm
22:16
Speaker 6: with my security details.
22:17
Speaker 5: You've seen that on video.
22:18
Speaker 6: Because we have seen what on video, men.
22:21
Speaker 5: That there were lights, because in the videos that we've
22:23
Speaker 5: seen there aren't, and because there weren't body cameras, it
22:27
Speaker 5: is hard to substantiate some of what you were saying.
22:32
Speaker 6: Okay, well, I have not seen the videos, but I'm
22:34
Speaker 6: saying our vehicles are equipped to emergency lights. Now, if
22:37
Speaker 6: they didn't activate the lights, again, I haven't seen that video.
22:40
Speaker 6: If they didn't activate the lights, and then there's an
22:43
Speaker 6: issue there, right. But I'm saying they are kryptoltes lights,
22:46
Speaker 6: So let me just caveat that they should have been
22:48
Speaker 6: Krypto lights and sirens. But I do not know specifically
22:52
Speaker 6: if they activated those lights.
22:54
Speaker 3: I mean, that's pretty devastating there.
22:56
Speaker 2: And then it's the claims ager you haven't seen the
23:00
Speaker 2: d I mean, if you haven't seen the video, what
23:04
Speaker 2: are you even doing? Like this is your job, You're
23:07
Speaker 2: supposed to be overseeing this you're supposed to care about
23:09
Speaker 2: whether the right protocol was filed followed. This is an
23:12
Speaker 2: extremely high profile killing on your watch, and you're claiming, oh,
23:17
Speaker 2: I didn't actually get a chance to look at the video,
23:20
Speaker 2: Like what, complete and total bullshit, and she just hasn't
23:22
Speaker 2: done to.
23:22
Speaker 1: Write yeah, the video. I mean, we saw the video.
23:24
Speaker 1: There there's no video, there's no emergency lights. I agree.
23:27
Speaker 1: I mean in terms of being stopped by an unmarked vehicle, like, yeah,
23:31
Speaker 1: if you flash your flights, I think most people would stop,
23:34
Speaker 1: or if you don't, then at least you know you
23:35
Speaker 1: know what's going on. But if you're coming up and
23:37
Speaker 1: somebody is coming out behind you, then a reasonable person
23:40
Speaker 1: could say I had no idea what was going on here,
23:43
Speaker 1: especially when you're in your vehicle. And then it's even
23:45
Speaker 1: worse because I'm not saying you deserve to die like period,
23:48
Speaker 1: but it's even worse. He wasn't even the person that
23:50
Speaker 1: was supposed to be stopped, right guy instances. I think
23:53
Speaker 1: Ryan and Huan talked about it. I mean, if you
23:55
Speaker 1: look at the story of this Colombian guy who was
23:58
Speaker 1: killed in Maine, it is honest, kind of insane, Like
24:01
Speaker 1: it's the right wing seemed to have been like a
24:03
Speaker 1: right wing Columbia nationalists. I don't know what he was
24:05
Speaker 1: doing here if he's right when Columbia nationalists, but okay,
24:08
Speaker 1: but I mean just to show you, like people are
24:10
Speaker 1: complex and a little different, and it does demonstrate that
24:14
Speaker 1: they didn't even know who they were stopping because they
24:16
Speaker 1: were supposed to try and stop some sort of other.
24:19
Speaker 1: They were trying to stop another person whenever they pulled
24:21
Speaker 1: this guy over and then initially he is shot in
24:24
Speaker 1: a bad incident like this, but given the background here,
24:28
Speaker 1: it will demonstrate that the ICE is going to have
24:31
Speaker 1: serious pride. I also just think this is a preview
24:34
Speaker 1: of what the next three years are going to look
24:37
Speaker 1: like like in terms of Democrats, if they take the
24:40
Speaker 1: House of Representatives and if they investigate or if they
24:43
Speaker 1: initiate any sort of congressional review of ICE hiring, how
24:47
Speaker 1: many more David brother and like this will validate like
24:50
Speaker 1: the look And you know, I'm not a cab or
24:53
Speaker 1: any of that, but I know for certain that if
24:56
Speaker 1: you rush things and you don't do like a methodical job,
25:00
Speaker 1: and you have a bunch of people who slipped through
25:02
Speaker 1: the cracks or who are intentionally pushed aside, or you
25:04
Speaker 1: don't initiate types of processes like you're the government and
25:07
Speaker 1: you put guns in people's hands, like you're going to
25:09
Speaker 1: own that entire process. That's going to be Seriously, I
25:12
Speaker 1: really think this is going to be a massive problem.
25:14
Speaker 2: And there was the administration a brief moment where Mark
25:17
Speaker 2: wayn Mullen comes out and says, we're not going to
25:19
Speaker 2: do vehicle stops. And we're sort of accustomed to this
25:21
Speaker 2: vehicle stop thing. Now this is new. In previous administrations,
25:25
Speaker 2: I think, including the first Trump administration, vehicle stops were
25:28
Speaker 2: only used with ICE agents or any sort of border
25:31
Speaker 2: patrol or any of these affiliated agencies in situations where
25:35
Speaker 2: that were relatively extreme, where you knew who the target was,
25:38
Speaker 2: they were violent, there was some sort of criminal record,
25:40
Speaker 2: It was extraordinary circumstances. Now this is just par for
25:43
Speaker 2: the course. And as you can see in both of
25:45
Speaker 2: these instances, these guys weren't even the target. So they
25:47
Speaker 2: just literally were like, oh, they look brown, maybe they're undocumented,
25:50
Speaker 2: let's pull them over in this again very very aggressive manner.
25:54
Speaker 3: No lights.
25:55
Speaker 2: In terms of the one down in Texas, we don't know.
25:58
Speaker 2: In terms of the one up in May because we
26:00
Speaker 2: have more limited camera footage there. But in any case,
26:03
Speaker 2: this is relatively new development. Mark wayn Mullen says, we're
26:06
Speaker 2: going to stop doing this for now. Trump immediately, apparently
26:08
Speaker 2: after Steven Miller yelling and blowing his top over the pullback,
26:13
Speaker 2: Trump immediately comes out in the next day and says, no,
26:15
Speaker 2: we're going to continue. The other piece that I want
26:18
Speaker 2: to layer on here is, you know, in a bunch
26:20
Speaker 2: of these instances like these ICE agents should go to prison.
26:23
Speaker 2: I mean, if you're the guy in Maine, there is
26:26
Speaker 2: even dhs is saying that they discharge their weapons on
26:30
Speaker 2: a fear of public safety. That is not a defense
26:32
Speaker 2: in a court of law. That man should be alive today.
26:35
Speaker 2: So in any case, you've had all of these instances
26:38
Speaker 2: of ICE agents and CBP who are starting fights, who
26:42
Speaker 2: are aggressive, who are assaulting protesters and immigrants themselves, where
26:47
Speaker 2: there should be investigators, there should be court cases. Let's
26:50
Speaker 2: take a look at E nine. This is a report
26:52
Speaker 2: from the New York Times that is saying that federal
26:55
Speaker 2: agents were told the FBI is no longer going to
26:58
Speaker 2: investigate ICE co prontations and the TLDR.
27:03
Speaker 3: Here by the way.
27:03
Speaker 2: The FBI denies this, but there were multiple federal agents
27:06
Speaker 2: that talked to the New York Times about this new
27:08
Speaker 2: guidance that they received. In any case, the TLDR here
27:11
Speaker 2: is that instead of the FBI investigating to see, okay,
27:15
Speaker 2: was it the protesters fault? Was it the immigrants fault?
27:17
Speaker 2: Were they actually assaulting ICE agents or were ICE agents
27:20
Speaker 2: involved in misconduct potentially prosecutable misconduct. Now it's going to
27:26
Speaker 2: be kicked to an investigative unit within ICE itself. So
27:31
Speaker 2: ICE investigating itself, you can imagine how much is going
27:35
Speaker 2: to come out from that. And then in terms of,
27:37
Speaker 2: you know, their level of trust, and when they come
27:39
Speaker 2: out with these claims that, oh, this immigrant was trying
27:43
Speaker 2: to murder an ICE agent, He's lucky to escape with
27:45
Speaker 2: his life, et cetera, let's take a look at where
27:47
Speaker 2: the rubber meets the road, which is in a court
27:49
Speaker 2: of law when you actually have to produce evidence of
27:52
Speaker 2: these wild claims that have been made by basically everyone
27:56
Speaker 2: affiliated with immigrations throughout the administration.
27:59
Speaker 3: Put E eight on the screen.
28:00
Speaker 2: This is a comprehensive review from the New York Times.
28:03
Speaker 2: The headline on this article was they were charged with
28:05
Speaker 2: assaulting ICE agents. The cases are crumbling. Here are the numbers.
28:09
Speaker 2: Five hundred and fifty eight people were charged with assault
28:14
Speaker 2: of an immigration agent, one hundred and ninety one of
28:18
Speaker 2: those dismissed, twenty two outright acquitted. You're ready for how
28:22
Speaker 2: many convicted on a five hundred and fifty eight four four.
28:26
Speaker 2: You've had two hundred and forty six that pled guilty,
28:28
Speaker 2: you have ninety five that are still pending, and then
28:30
Speaker 2: you have a whole rash of other ones where they
28:33
Speaker 2: just dropped the charge, They just walked away from charging
28:37
Speaker 2: the people all together, where the thing just completely fell apart.
28:41
Speaker 2: And you have instances here saga that are so wild, where,
28:43
Speaker 2: for example, you had an ICE agent that busted open
28:47
Speaker 2: someone's window, injured themselves busting open the window, and then
28:52
Speaker 2: charged that person with assault for the injuries that they
28:57
Speaker 2: caused to themselves. You have an example in this article
29:00
Speaker 2: of two women who were on their way somewhere, saw
29:03
Speaker 2: that ICE was, you know, doing an action, and pulled
29:07
Speaker 2: into a parking lot to observe from a distance away.
29:10
Speaker 2: Afterwards they left, ICE agents followed them again, had this
29:14
Speaker 2: very aggressive interaction with them, and ended up claiming that
29:18
Speaker 2: they had assaulted the ICE agents, where there was camera
29:21
Speaker 2: footage that proved that was not the case whatsoever. You
29:24
Speaker 2: have an instance with Greg Bovino, I think that was
29:26
Speaker 2: directly involved in where he beat up some immigrant, that
29:29
Speaker 2: he charged the immigrant with assault. A jury came back
29:32
Speaker 2: and said, no, you people started this situation. So they
29:36
Speaker 2: have been rebuked numerous times for making up incidents, for
29:41
Speaker 2: lying about what actually occurred, and under scrutiny, these cases
29:44
Speaker 2: frequently frequently fall completely apart, and in many instances, and
29:49
Speaker 2: there's a quote in here from an expert, they say,
29:51
Speaker 2: you know, it's actually the ICE agents that should be charged,
29:53
Speaker 2: like in a rational world they would be facing criminal charges.
29:56
Speaker 2: And so to your point about the political fallout, this
29:59
Speaker 2: is exactly the past. You know, when if Democrats get
30:02
Speaker 2: power in the House certainly or possibly also in the Senate,
30:06
Speaker 2: and certainly moving forward into twenty twenty eight, if they
30:08
Speaker 2: end up with control of government, this is the sort
30:10
Speaker 2: of thing that the base is going to be pushing
30:12
Speaker 2: them to do, to look through the records of all
30:15
Speaker 2: of these ICE agents, to go through the vetting process
30:18
Speaker 2: to see who is there. And obviously there's a huge
30:21
Speaker 2: push to get rid of the agency altogether. And when
30:23
Speaker 2: you have situations like this, you know, total psycho with
30:27
Speaker 2: brain damage and mental illness and a wife beater and
30:30
Speaker 2: a child beater who was given a gun, that makes
30:33
Speaker 2: the case that yes, this whole thing we need a
30:36
Speaker 2: different process for handling immigration and forcing you know, immigration,
30:40
Speaker 2: forcing the border. That this whole thing is so rotten
30:43
Speaker 2: that it just cannot persist and go forward.
30:44
Speaker 1: I mean, I I hate to say it. I do
30:46
Speaker 1: think it'll probably come to pass. I mean, I will say,
30:49
Speaker 1: you know, you got two hundred and forty six here.
30:50
Speaker 1: He played guilty, so it's not like, you know, half
30:52
Speaker 1: of them roughly did plead guilty, so it's not like
30:54
Speaker 1: it's invented out of whole cloth.
30:55
Speaker 2: I actually, but let me just say, prior to Trump,
30:58
Speaker 2: there were you know what the conviction rate.
31:00
Speaker 1: I'm sure it was ninety one hundred.
31:02
Speaker 3: They have never.
31:02
Speaker 2: Failed on this and now it's like, you know, they're
31:05
Speaker 2: just throwing it at the wall. Like any time someone
31:07
Speaker 2: just irritates an ICE agent, they charge them with the salt,
31:10
Speaker 2: send them through the court system, try to make their
31:12
Speaker 2: life miserable.
31:13
Speaker 1: Because prosecutor to prosecutorial discretion usually meant that you would
31:18
Speaker 1: only bring very extreme cases to these Also, if you're
31:21
Speaker 1: not doing much enforcement, then you're also not going to
31:23
Speaker 1: have many cases. But look, I've said it before, they
31:26
Speaker 1: blew the entire political stack whenever it came to the
31:30
Speaker 1: way that they wanted to do enforcement. There were a
31:32
Speaker 1: lot of different ways this all could have been done.
31:34
Speaker 1: A lot more people could have been deported, and a
31:35
Speaker 1: lot more illegals could have left the country, and you
31:37
Speaker 1: just doing n't have to do literally any of this.
31:39
Speaker 1: They decided to go in this direction for the full
31:42
Speaker 1: show of force, and the entire country has basically turned
31:45
Speaker 1: or most of the country has turned against it, even
31:48
Speaker 1: people who are dramatically like me, who are on the side,
31:51
Speaker 1: largely because it's not just the political fallout, it's also
31:54
Speaker 1: just like chaos. Like it's like, guys, we can't live
31:56
Speaker 1: in a crazy world where you've got unmarked cars and
31:59
Speaker 1: people and shot. I mean, like I literally went to
32:01
Speaker 1: that town a bit if it's a very piece of
32:03
Speaker 1: small town, Like I'm like, when I saw the news,
32:05
Speaker 1: I was like, I cannot believe this, that this is
32:08
Speaker 1: happening in Bideford of all places, and so and it's
32:11
Speaker 1: not just because I've been there Houston too, Like, yeah,
32:13
Speaker 1: Houston City chock full of illegals, but it's like you
32:16
Speaker 1: can't just have it so that people are getting shot
32:18
Speaker 1: and pulled over, and just that's exactly. Look. People turned
32:22
Speaker 1: on the border because of Biden, who left it wide open.
32:25
Speaker 1: Tens of millions of people came here illegally. Nobody really
32:28
Speaker 1: knows numbers, roughly ten to twelve million according to the
32:30
Speaker 1: US governments before under Biden. Just in case people think
32:34
Speaker 1: that number is politicized. People found that intolerable. I certainly
32:37
Speaker 1: find that and completely intolerable. I do think what we
32:39
Speaker 1: find here is now a situation where what you talked
32:43
Speaker 1: about there with the Democrats in their turn on, it's
32:45
Speaker 1: going to be very similar to a lot of the
32:47
Speaker 1: way that MAGA came into Inuary the office in January
32:51
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, where you know, the whole like January sixth,
32:54
Speaker 1: we have to go after the prosecutors, we have to
32:56
Speaker 1: pardon many of the people who were involved, like it
32:58
Speaker 1: became an issue which was absolutely one hundred percent core
33:03
Speaker 1: to the Republican base, and I mean they did get
33:06
Speaker 1: a lot of what they wanted, and I think it
33:07
Speaker 1: will be very similar with the Democrats. I don't know
33:10
Speaker 1: how popular. It might probably be a little bit more popular,
33:13
Speaker 1: if I'm willing to guess whenever it comes to that time.
33:16
Speaker 1: I have no idea. But in a sense it doesn't
33:18
Speaker 1: matter because it'll become the type of mandate that people
33:21
Speaker 1: will focus on. Yeah, I mean I do. I personally
33:24
Speaker 1: blame the Trump administration for taking this position. I also
33:27
Speaker 1: really blame the Republican Party, which stood at every turn
33:31
Speaker 1: and stopped any of the other institutional ways that you
33:34
Speaker 1: can have immigration. But this could be a I think
33:37
Speaker 1: eighty twenty issue easily if you had done it properly
33:40
Speaker 1: with mandatory everify and like genuine if you had focused
33:45
Speaker 1: on like rapist criminals. If we had no Seacot, we
33:48
Speaker 1: had no Minneapolis. I mean, imagine what this administry, no
33:51
Speaker 1: Iran war, all those things together. We could be living
33:53
Speaker 1: in a totally different world. But and you know, then
33:56
Speaker 1: it would just be like human rights activists who are
33:58
Speaker 1: bitching and moaning all the time like they do no
34:00
Speaker 1: matter what. But now that is the popular position where
34:04
Speaker 1: you've got you know, the median, white college educated lib
34:08
Speaker 1: is screaming about abolish ice. That is not the situation
34:12
Speaker 1: in January of twenty nineteen, so I can see I
34:16
Speaker 1: could see the future quite clearly at least where things are.
34:19
Speaker 2: Going well, speaking of people turning on the Trump administration,
34:22
Speaker 2: good transition to Tim Dillon here talking about Jady Vance.
34:28
Speaker 2: So we talked a little bit last week about Jadie
34:30
Speaker 2: Vance on Joe Rogan where he's.
34:32
Speaker 3: Sort of postures like he's just some guy.
34:34
Speaker 2: You know, he doesn't really have any power to do anything,
34:36
Speaker 2: just calling you know, the way he sees it on
34:39
Speaker 2: the Epstein files and the Iran war, etc. Tim Dillon
34:43
Speaker 2: really had some fun with this one, went in on
34:46
Speaker 2: JD Vance and really the administration as a whole, and also,
34:49
Speaker 2: by the way, anyone who continues to support the administration,
34:52
Speaker 2: who he said, must be the dumbest people on earth.
34:54
Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and take a listen to Tim Dillon
34:57
Speaker 2: sounding off on JD Vance.
34:59
Speaker 7: This is the when like Jady Vance goes on Rogan
35:01
Speaker 7: and goes, well, you know, they have this whole discussion
35:05
Speaker 7: about the Epstein docs, and jd is like, I'll go
35:07
Speaker 7: to my death believing it was a larger conspiracy.
35:10
Speaker 8: You know.
35:11
Speaker 7: It's it's kind of like these guys are like, well,
35:13
Speaker 7: what are you gonna do. What are you gonna do?
35:15
Speaker 7: It's like, no, you're the You're the vice president. What
35:17
Speaker 7: are you talking about? Jady Vance is talking about this
35:21
Speaker 7: like he's a guy at a bar in the town
35:24
Speaker 7: I grew up in on Long Island where he'd be like,
35:28
Speaker 7: I'll always believe it was a conspiracy.
35:30
Speaker 1: You sure.
35:32
Speaker 7: That guy owns a pool company. He's he's gonna he's
35:37
Speaker 7: gonna be like, yeah, what are you gonna do? I'll
35:40
Speaker 7: always believe someone on there, this guy's the vice president
35:45
Speaker 7: of the United States of America going on the biggest
35:49
Speaker 7: podcast in the world.
35:50
Speaker 8: Go and yup, I read all the files. Trump's citizen.
35:53
Speaker 7: Also, I'll always believe there was a greater conspiracy there.
35:57
Speaker 8: I'll always think something is going on. But what am
35:59
Speaker 8: I gonna do? I'm the vice president.
36:01
Speaker 7: That's Shadie Vance's character arc right now is his whole
36:05
Speaker 7: entire thing. It's just telling people what the vice president
36:07
Speaker 7: can't do, like what about the war?
36:10
Speaker 8: And I ran, you know, there's not much I can do.
36:12
Speaker 7: I just kind of hang out and you know what,
36:15
Speaker 7: watch as I'm part of the administration that betrays its
36:18
Speaker 7: voters and does the opposite of everything it said.
36:21
Speaker 8: It was gonna do. I just kind of.
36:22
Speaker 7: Hang out and you know, this Epstein thing, who knows
36:26
Speaker 7: this is the game, keep trying to play this game
36:29
Speaker 7: where they're like this folksy kind of like relatable, like, yeah,
36:35
Speaker 7: these fucking elites, these fucking elites with these they're fucking
36:41
Speaker 7: the kids. They're stealing your money. What who you're doing it?
36:48
Speaker 7: You're the ones you are doing it. And they're relying
36:51
Speaker 7: on the fact that some of their most ardinent supporters,
36:55
Speaker 7: the ones who aren't directly being paid off, are the
36:58
Speaker 7: stupidest people in the world. So that still works on them.
37:02
Speaker 7: They're like, yeah, fucking Hillary, babe, Hillary collect then fucking
37:09
Speaker 7: Hillary Clinton, the guy. They're in the White House, they
37:14
Speaker 7: have the Congress, they have the Senate, they have the
37:18
Speaker 7: Supreme Court. It is them, It is now them. I
37:24
Speaker 7: don't want to hear about the deep state anymore.
37:27
Speaker 3: There's a lot there.
37:28
Speaker 2: I mean, I kept thinking actually about Thomas Massey was
37:31
Speaker 2: like Trump saying, the elections are rigged.
37:33
Speaker 3: We won everything. What are you talking about.
37:36
Speaker 2: Like, you're in the White House, we have the House,
37:38
Speaker 2: we have the Senate, we have the Supreme Court. We
37:41
Speaker 2: won everything. What are you talking about? The elections were
37:44
Speaker 2: rigged what they were rigged for you. I mean it's
37:46
Speaker 2: similar vibe here where he's like, you can't continue to
37:49
Speaker 2: sit here, jd Vance or anyone else and have this
37:52
Speaker 2: whole folks see like yeah, we're really gonna, you know,
37:55
Speaker 2: stick it to those elites. It's like, no, that is you.
37:57
Speaker 2: Now you are in control. This rest the stops with
38:01
Speaker 2: you people, and you don't get to just like divorce
38:03
Speaker 2: yourself from that reality and pretend like you're just some
38:06
Speaker 2: armchair quarterback or some pundit watching this thing from Afar.
38:09
Speaker 1: Dat said something very interesting in the podcast. He said,
38:12
Speaker 1: I'm not a public commentator. I do my best to
38:14
Speaker 1: work things on the inside. And I was like, well, man,
38:17
Speaker 1: you are on the Joe Rogan podcast. You kind of
38:20
Speaker 1: are public. Do you see what I'm saying. It's like, well,
38:22
Speaker 1: you know, pundits I just talked about in the ice box.
38:26
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, I support massive immigration enforcement. I think
38:29
Speaker 1: they fucked it up. He can't even say that, right
38:31
Speaker 1: because that would cause a crisis. So everything with Epstein
38:34
Speaker 1: was like Trump did nothing wrong and then hail Even
38:37
Speaker 1: then You're like, I'll put my hands up. We did
38:39
Speaker 1: mishandle portions of it, but there's nothing damaging in it
38:42
Speaker 1: about Trump, and you're like, oh my god. And then
38:44
Speaker 1: the stuff about Israel and the US intelligence. I mean,
38:47
Speaker 1: this is why even when we say it, he's the
38:49
Speaker 1: highest US official ever to confirm to say Epstein had
38:54
Speaker 1: links to Israeli and US intelligence. Yeah, no US official
38:57
Speaker 1: has ever uttered those words ever before current official. But
39:02
Speaker 1: no evidence to back it up. Yeah, no, deep familiarity
39:05
Speaker 1: with what he's saying. Is that an off the cuff comment.
39:08
Speaker 1: It's like, dude, are you just listening to a podcast
39:10
Speaker 1: talking about that or did you see intelligence?
39:12
Speaker 8: Right?
39:13
Speaker 1: And this is why it's like, if you're going to
39:14
Speaker 1: say anything that you need to know exactly what you're
39:16
Speaker 1: talking and you just speak from a position of authority,
39:18
Speaker 1: and you at the very least like splitting the difference
39:21
Speaker 1: between I'm not a public commentator while you're literally public
39:23
Speaker 1: commentating is in my opinion, like the worst of all
39:26
Speaker 1: of it. Because okay, on iron, we all know what
39:30
Speaker 1: you're like. Jer Rogan asked him directly, would you handle
39:33
Speaker 1: things differently? He has to talk around it. He's like, well,
39:36
Speaker 1: the President has even said, you know, JD would have
39:39
Speaker 1: handled it differently. He can't even say yeah, I would
39:41
Speaker 1: have this is a fucking disaster because he has to
39:43
Speaker 1: praise Trump, he has to you know, pay lip service
39:47
Speaker 1: to well, we can't let the Iranians have a nuclear
39:49
Speaker 1: weapon when I'm like, I don't even think you believe that.
39:51
Speaker 1: I just I don't even know if you believe that.
39:53
Speaker 1: Think about at all.
39:54
Speaker 2: Think about how poorly his analysis such as it was
39:57
Speaker 2: age just from.
39:58
Speaker 3: Whenever that was recorded.
40:00
Speaker 2: He was like, oh, the CNL back or it's a blip,
40:03
Speaker 2: We're going to get back to negotiating, and say oh
40:05
Speaker 2: are you are you because it doesn't feel like a
40:07
Speaker 2: blip right now, you know, now the Iranians are like,
40:09
Speaker 2: we're done negotiating with you. There is this theoretical O
40:12
Speaker 2: ten day proposal, et cetera.
40:14
Speaker 3: But they're pissed.
40:15
Speaker 2: They're you know, bombing desalination plans, killing our service members
40:19
Speaker 2: in Jordan, and we are bombing their civilian infrastructure and
40:25
Speaker 2: you know, threatening all sorts of things as well. So
40:28
Speaker 2: doesn't feel like this is all just a little bit
40:30
Speaker 2: of a blip on our way back, you know, days
40:33
Speaker 2: away from getting some larger deal. So even that quote
40:37
Speaker 2: unquote analysis he offered just days ago has already completely
40:41
Speaker 2: fallen apart. There was another part of this where Tim
40:44
Speaker 2: really went in on the Iran war in particular and
40:47
Speaker 2: sort of the overall track record of the Trump administration.
40:50
Speaker 3: Let's go ahead and take a listen to that.
40:52
Speaker 7: This guy's in a press tour for a book. We're
40:56
Speaker 7: days away from troops on the ground, and Iran is
41:00
Speaker 7: just a total nightmare. The economy is a nightmare, the
41:04
Speaker 7: traits of Wurmuz. There's gonna be like a massive oil
41:07
Speaker 7: crisis soon. And they've given so much money to big
41:15
Speaker 7: tech and AI, the flock cameras, all.
41:19
Speaker 8: Of this stuff, all of this.
41:21
Speaker 7: They're building a surveillance state with this money. They're building
41:27
Speaker 7: a digital surveillance state with the money. And he's got
41:33
Speaker 7: to do this kind of like awe shocks, can you?
41:37
Speaker 8: But Yeah, isn't it whack? Isn't it whacky?
41:40
Speaker 2: He goes into this whole thing like we're weeks away
41:43
Speaker 2: from Trump nuking Iran. Jd Vance going back on with Joe.
41:47
Speaker 2: You know, isn't this crazy?
41:48
Speaker 1: Joe?
41:49
Speaker 2: Like I never imagined as a little boy growing up
41:51
Speaker 2: in Appalachia that I'd end.
41:53
Speaker 3: Up here talking to you after we just nuked.
41:55
Speaker 2: Aron and he said something that I think was actually
41:59
Speaker 2: very insightful. He's like, you know, the truth is these
42:02
Speaker 2: wars they don't work anymore. Like the you know, war
42:05
Speaker 2: didn't work in Afghanist they didn't work in Iraq.
42:07
Speaker 3: It's not working here.
42:09
Speaker 2: And he's like, you know, that's part of what it's
42:11
Speaker 2: not working for Russia and Ukraine and part of what
42:14
Speaker 2: is pushing towards a potentially really disastrous, insane like nuclear
42:19
Speaker 2: outcome is that this conventional military approach it doesn't get
42:23
Speaker 2: you where you want to go anymore. And China has
42:25
Speaker 2: kind of recognized that they're not outstarting wars, they're not
42:28
Speaker 2: spread money around, let's invest in infrastructure, let's get tied
42:30
Speaker 2: into your economy, and that that's been far more successful
42:33
Speaker 2: for them in terms of building up, you know, their
42:36
Speaker 2: might domestically and also being able to do what they
42:39
Speaker 2: want to do and secure the supply lines they want
42:41
Speaker 2: to secure around the world. I thought that was actually
42:43
Speaker 2: a very insightful view of where we are, because it's true,
42:47
Speaker 2: you know where even he says they work for Israel
42:49
Speaker 2: because Israel is willing to, you know, just go completely
42:52
Speaker 2: bugwild and commit genocide. Is this working for Israel, even Israel,
42:56
Speaker 2: you know, I mean their genocide and God us that
43:00
Speaker 2: really made things better for them. Their state has its
43:02
Speaker 2: own problems and is in a sort of their own
43:04
Speaker 2: existential potential catastrophe of their own making because of their
43:09
Speaker 2: insane actions too.
43:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is. It's fascinating actually, if you would to
43:13
Speaker 1: put think about it like in historical terms. I was
43:15
Speaker 1: thinking a lot about this conflict in the context of
43:17
Speaker 1: World War One, where before the First World War, there
43:20
Speaker 1: was something called the cult of the offensive in a
43:22
Speaker 1: lot of these militaries where this idea, so you have
43:25
Speaker 1: these gigantic armies with mans and arms that you can
43:28
Speaker 1: just take over places. But what they didn't foresee was
43:31
Speaker 1: that the cult of the offensive, always running forward, would
43:34
Speaker 1: run into something called the machine gun. And so what
43:37
Speaker 1: happens very quickly on the Western Front is the trench warfare.
43:40
Speaker 1: I actually think the drones are very analogous to that.
43:43
Speaker 1: We're prior to a drone technology, the conventional United States
43:46
Speaker 1: military could very easily be able to shoot down incoming
43:50
Speaker 1: missiles to take over the Straight of Hormuz and all that.
43:53
Speaker 1: And look, we still do retain the ability to take
43:55
Speaker 1: the control the Straight of Hormons, we would just have to, oh,
43:58
Speaker 1: I don't know, occupy the entire country of Iran. But
44:00
Speaker 1: even if we were to occupy it, they wouldn't just
44:02
Speaker 1: be getting shot with bullets and missiles. They'd be really
44:05
Speaker 1: the number one way they would die, as we see
44:07
Speaker 1: currently in the Russia and Ukraine war, is they would
44:09
Speaker 1: die in the hands of these drones, and then the
44:11
Speaker 1: drones would disrupt the entire supply chain. So I think
44:15
Speaker 1: what the drone warfare and the development of the last
44:17
Speaker 1: just probably ten years, I remember seeing some preliminary drone
44:21
Speaker 1: stuff in Syria has dramatically made it so that the
44:25
Speaker 1: entire conventional military apparatus, which was the peace dividend of
44:31
Speaker 1: the United States military post Gulf War, basically evaporated overnight.
44:35
Speaker 1: And we're just going to have to deal with that,
44:37
Speaker 1: Like that's the truth. It's kind of like the battleship
44:40
Speaker 1: for people who are familiar with that, or even the
44:43
Speaker 1: original idea that aircraft carriers or that US Navy assets
44:48
Speaker 1: were invulnerable that prior to World War Two, there was
44:50
Speaker 1: a genuine theory they believe in the Navy that a
44:54
Speaker 1: battleship or any of these other naval assets could not
44:57
Speaker 1: be sunk by an aircraft, and then war happened. And
45:00
Speaker 1: even though this was disproved by members of the United
45:03
Speaker 1: States Air Force or Air Army, airhorpsor whatever at the time,
45:06
Speaker 1: they just went forward, it's not possible. And then you
45:09
Speaker 1: get into a war whre Japan, You're like, holy shit,
45:11
Speaker 1: They're like, what are we going to do about all
45:12
Speaker 1: these aircraft? I think the drone is very similar, and
45:16
Speaker 1: you have to rethink everything. And I'm only saying this
45:19
Speaker 1: in terms of that disrupts a fundamental theory of American
45:23
Speaker 1: power which has existed for you in my entire lifetime
45:27
Speaker 1: before we were even born, frankly, in terms of the
45:29
Speaker 1: Cold War and all that. And to deal with that
45:32
Speaker 1: in real time requires people who are really intelligent, who
45:36
Speaker 1: think very deeply, who can recognize the stakes that are
45:40
Speaker 1: ahead of us. And I would say, I actually, I
45:42
Speaker 1: always believe that JD was a person like that, you know,
45:45
Speaker 1: and I mean, maybe he still is. But it almost
45:48
Speaker 1: doesn't matter at this point, because you had the chance
45:52
Speaker 1: to prove the ability to do differently. And if this
45:55
Speaker 1: is the best we can get is some half ass
45:57
Speaker 1: cease fire which barely lasts two weeks, that's not necessarily
46:02
Speaker 1: a reflection on you, because it's mostly on Trump. But
46:05
Speaker 1: if that's the if your best efforts can only result
46:07
Speaker 1: in this, then it's a failure. I mean, what else
46:10
Speaker 1: can you call it. I don't know, frankly, if any
46:12
Speaker 1: of that really exists in our current political system, which
46:15
Speaker 1: is what makes me really like dire thinking about it
46:18
Speaker 1: in the future. But I do think you know Tim's comments,
46:21
Speaker 1: and I do think he's the most incisive political comedian
46:25
Speaker 1: really who is currently working specifically on the surveillance state
46:28
Speaker 1: and others. It sends a chill because at the same
46:32
Speaker 1: there are rivals surveillance states in the in the world,
46:35
Speaker 1: Singapore and China, And call me unpatriotic. I would rather
46:40
Speaker 1: live there under their surveillance than ours, because ours is
46:43
Speaker 1: private companies, local contracts, oli gark, you know whatever, like
46:48
Speaker 1: selective enforcement of the rules. Here, we simultaneously live in
46:51
Speaker 1: a surveillance state and a shithole. At least over there
46:54
Speaker 1: it's nice, you know, It's like there's no gum or
46:56
Speaker 1: whatever on the streets, and the law is equally applied
46:59
Speaker 1: to everyone and the government has total control. Yes, I
47:02
Speaker 1: know that sounds authoritarian, but like here, we don't even
47:05
Speaker 1: have real authoritarianism. It's like oligarchical authoritarians.
47:09
Speaker 2: We've got all like the worst aspects of authoritarians, the upside, right.
47:13
Speaker 1: I saw somebody say. I saw somebody say it's like,
47:15
Speaker 1: you know, in Los Angeles, it's like you can ship
47:18
Speaker 1: in the streets and take fentanyl, but if you jaywalk,
47:20
Speaker 1: you know, you will get a ticket from the flock camera.
47:22
Speaker 1: And it's like, I'm only living in a world where
47:24
Speaker 1: both people are getting tickets, right, But we don't live
47:26
Speaker 1: in that. So like that's the blue example, the red example.
47:29
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm trying to think.
47:30
Speaker 2: Of, well, aw about I mean the going back to
47:31
Speaker 2: the insider trading thing, like you have the teleprompter operator.
47:35
Speaker 2: You're getting popped if you're you know, Jared Kushner, Steve
47:38
Speaker 2: Witkoff or whoever, or doing their deals and profiting off
47:41
Speaker 2: of their position there.
47:42
Speaker 3: Oh that's fine and good and you're never going to.
47:44
Speaker 1: Face So that's a perfect white collar example, right. It's like,
47:46
Speaker 1: I want to live in a world where everybody gets
47:48
Speaker 1: equally prosecuted, but we don't have that. So it's like,
47:50
Speaker 1: can you really then, you know, want a surveillance system
47:53
Speaker 1: so yeah, I mean, things are bad. Just keep saying.
47:56
Speaker 1: I'm like, things are really bad. I've been in a
47:58
Speaker 1: long you know kick reading about I know you are too,
48:01
Speaker 1: about Whymar. Oh yeah, and uh you know, not just Wymar,
48:05
Speaker 1: but like all of the fractures and society. And maybe
48:08
Speaker 1: I'm reading too much into it, but it's so impossible
48:12
Speaker 1: not to look at our current moment and to see
48:14
Speaker 1: so much of the same stuff. And you, you and
48:17
Speaker 1: I both know like how long it takes to crawl
48:19
Speaker 1: it your way out of something.
48:20
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what we're missing from the the Wymar
48:23
Speaker 2: moment is a I mean we're not that the economy
48:26
Speaker 2: is great, but like a mass economic crisis. That's what
48:30
Speaker 2: we're missing. And uh, you know, we may we may
48:32
Speaker 2: be ahead in that direction.
48:34
Speaker 3: So okay, hang tight for that.
48:36
Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much for watching. I appreciate it.
48:38
Speaker 1: We'll see you all later