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#058_STORYB INSPIRE : Decisions that transforman with Donald Trump! · INSPIRE STORY

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  Speaker 1: The Joe Rogan Experience.
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  Speaker 2: Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.
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  All right. We're rolling.
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  Speaker 1: Good to see you, sir.
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  Speaker 2: Here we go. One of the things I wanted to
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  talk to you about, I wanted to play this, but
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  we decided we shouldn't play it because it could get
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  copyright strike and we don't want to get the episode.
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  We don't want anybody to have any sort of a
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  way to get it down. Sure. But it was the
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  episode of you when you were on The View. And
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  I think it was 2015 or 2006, like when you
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  were running for president.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And you sat– you got introduced as our friend Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 1: That's right.
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  Speaker 2: Whoopi Goldberg gives you a big hug and a kiss.
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  Joy Behar gives you a big hug. Barbara Walters gives
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  you a big hug. They all loved you. They were
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  all talking about how you're– you might be– You might
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  be conservative in your financial positions, but you're very liberal socially.
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  They were talking about you in such a favorable light.
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  The audience was cheering. And then you actually started winning
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  in the polls and then the machine started working towards you.
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  But it's– there's probably no one in history that I've
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  ever seen that's been attacked the way you've been attacked
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  and the way they've done it, so coordinated. And systematically,
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  when you see those same people in the past, very
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  favorable to you, like Oprah, when.
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  Speaker 1: You were on Oprah's show. Very.
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  Speaker 2: She was encouraging you.
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  Speaker 1: Last week I did one of her last shows. I
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  think maybe Thursday or Friday. That was a big deal
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  being on Oprah's show, the last one. And I was
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  like one of the last shows in that last– that
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  final week. And I said, boy, we've come a long
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  way since that.
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  Speaker 2: What was it like?
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  Speaker 1: Well, the concept– it was really like two different lives.
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  I had a– a very wonderful life, but I wanted
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  to do this. The Apprentice was still going very strong.
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  We had 12 seasons and we had actually 14 seasons,
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  12 years over. They had a couple of them.
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  Speaker 2: Well, they canceled The Apprentice when you were running for president, correct?
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  Speaker 1: No, they had Arnold Schwarzenegger do it. I was involved
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  in that and I had enough of it and we
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  did great. It was doing great, but they wanted me
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  to stay. They all came to see me. They said,
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  We're going to give you a contract. They wanted to
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  extend my contract. Mark Burnett is a great guy. And
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  they wanted to extend the contract. Mark said, you're crazy.
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  Don't run. Don't run. Nobody gives up primetime, they said.
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  You know, it's one of those little things, which is
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  probably true. Nobody gives up primetime, though, for being president?
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  For running, well, for running against 20-some odd people, you know.
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  It turned out to be 18. 18 professional people, you know,
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  mostly politicians. They said, who would do this? I mean,
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  it's a long shot. Actually, the heads of NBC came
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  over the Paul Telagny, all the top people came over
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  to see me, try and talk me out of it
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  because they wanted to have me extend. The Apprentice was
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  doing well. So it was 14 seasons. It was 12 years.
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  We had one, two seasons where we had a double,
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  which rarely happens. It was just a hot show. And
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  I said, you know, I want to do this. What
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  happened is previously, like three years, four years before that,
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  they did a poll. They had Mitt Romney and somehow
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  they put me in a poll And I blew everybody away.
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  I blew him away, which isn't that hard, frankly. But
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  I blew everybody away. And I said, that's interesting, because
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  I never really gave it that much real thought. I
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  thought about it, but never real thought. But I saw
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  these polls were very good. And so I was thinking
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  about doing it then, but I had a contract with
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  The Apprentice. Plus, I was building two big buildings at
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  the time, and I wanted to make sure they got
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  finished up properly. And it was one of those things.
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  The kids were just sort of getting involved. They're very
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  capable kids, but they were getting involved early on. So
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  I did that. I got them done. I had some
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  very good successes and I came on and then I
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  thought about it for the next one after the Romney
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  disaster and I ran and I won against Hillary. It
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  was quite an experience. But it was a different life
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  because you're right, the view. I was on the view many,
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  many times and they loved me.
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  Speaker 2: Just the way people would talk. I mean even if
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  people had criticisms about you, people that didn't like you,
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  there was always feuds and stuff like that. But the
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  reality was … The thing turned on you when they
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  found out that you were going to be president. It
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  was very coordinated. And some people are catching on to
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  that now. There's a lot of people that were longtime
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  Democrats like Elon and Bill Ackman and all these different
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  very intelligent people.
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  Speaker 1: And they support me now. Bill Ackman supports me. He's
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  been very supportive too.
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  Speaker 2: This is what I wanted to ask you. What was
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  it like when you actually got in? Because nobody really
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  can prepare you for that. When you're running for president,
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  you don't really know what it's going to be like
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  when you actually get into office.
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  Speaker 1: What did you think it was going to be like?
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  So do you mean in office or when I decided
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  to run? No, when you got in. So when I
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  was in and won and was in the White House essentially. Well,
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  first of all, it was very surreal. I would imagine.
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  It's very interesting. When I got shot, it wasn't surreal.
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  That should have been surreal. When I was laying on
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  the ground, I knew exactly what was going on. I
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  knew exactly where I was hit. They were saying you
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  were hit all over the place because there was so
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  much blood from the ear. You would know that better
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  than anyone. When they get the ear torn up.
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  Speaker 2: Ears bleed a lot.
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  Speaker 1: They bleed. Anyway, so– and I was thinking the other day.
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  When that happened, I really knew where I was. I
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  knew exactly what happened. I said I wasn't hit anywhere.
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  With the presidency– It was a very surreal experience, OK?
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  Speaker 2: What's day one like?
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  Speaker 1: You win. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You get inaugurated. Holy shit, I'm the president.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what happened. So I'm driving down Pennsylvania Avenue.
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  I just built a building on Pennsylvania. You know, the hotel,
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  the old post office it was. We called it Trump
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  National Hotel. And we sold it to the Waldorf Astoria.
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  And it was a wonderful thing. But I'm driving down.
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  I'm passing the hotel. You've never seen so many motorcycles, police, military.
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  You know, it was a major thing. I got off
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  really the first time I used Air Force One, landed,
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  and we're coming down, and it was very beautiful. I mean,
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  it was incredible. And we're going down Pennsylvania Avenue in
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  the opposite direction. You know, normally you're used to going
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  one way, and all of a sudden you're going the
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  other way. The street was loaded up, and I wanted
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  to go out, and I wanted to wave to everybody,
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  but that wasn't smart. you know, the kids, a little
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  bit dangerous, right? I mean, when you watch like Kennedy
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  and some others, right? But I really felt, I don't know,
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  the love was so crazy. And so I did get
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  out of the car for a brief, you know, just
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  for a very short walk. I thought it was very
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  important to do. And Melania got out with a beautiful
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  dress on that became sort of a staple. It was,
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  people loved it and barren and we're walking down the street.
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  But where it really got Amazing. We get to the
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  White House, and now it's a little bit— a little
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  bit before dark. Beautiful. And we went up to the
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  president's quarters. They call them the presidential quarters. And I'm
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  standing in this beautiful hallway. You know, it's funny. Nobody
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  ever talks about the White House as being beautiful inside.
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  You know, you think it's going to be— everything's going
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  to be all metal doors and stuff. It's not. It's
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  so beautiful. I made my money largely on luxury. The
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  hallway is like 25 feet wide. The ceiling heights are,
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  it's so beautiful. But I was standing there and I
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  said to the guys, I want to see the Lincoln Bedroom.
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  I had never seen the Lincoln Bedroom. I'd heard about
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  the Lincoln Bedroom. And I was standing with my wife.
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  I said, do you believe it? This is the Lincoln Bedroom.
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  I mean, it was like, it was amazing. Because it's, look,
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  if you love the country, but here you are, The
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  Lincoln bedroom. And the bed, you know, he was very tall.
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  He was 6'6, which then would be like, like Barron. Right.
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  It would be like Barron Trump. He's 6'9. But 6'6,
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  he was very tall. Then on top of that, he wore...
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  There it is. He wore that. Yeah, there it is.
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  It's a long bed, elongated bed. And because very, you know,
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  people were shorter than... You see some of the chairs
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  are very, very low to the ground, actually. But he
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  had the long bed. And they had... You had the
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  Gettysburg Address right on that, right under that. You can't
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  see it here, but right there, the original version of
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  the Gettysburg Address. And this is the original. And I'm looking,
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  and I just looked around. I said, do you believe this?
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  Because I was never a politician. First of all, even
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  if you were a politician, but I was never a politician.
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  I sort of just started, right? And all of a sudden,
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  I'm standing in the White House. And it was very,
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  very surreal. That room was so beautiful to me, much
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  more beautiful than it actually is. You know, to me,
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  when I looked at the bed and the bed, you
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  could see it was a little bit longer, had to
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  be a little bit longer. He lost his son and
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  they suffered. The two of them suffered from melancholia. They
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  didn't call it depression. They called it melancholia and they
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  suffered from it. He was a very depressed guy and
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  she was a very depressed woman, more so than him.
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  And on top of that, they lost their son. whose
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  name was Tad, Tad. And it was, just seeing it
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  in the little pictures, the little tiny picture, I mean,
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  you can't see the details there, little tiny, everything, a
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  little tiny picture of Tad, who he lost, and it
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  was devastating. And he was, you know, he was, look,
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  he was in a war, and he was having a
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  hard time because he couldn't beat Robert E. Lee. Robert E.
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  Lee won like 13 battles in a row And he
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  was getting like a phobia, like a fighter. You know
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  a lot about the fight stuff. But, like, I went
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  to a UFC fight. And it was a champion who
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  was 14-1 about a year ago. You would know the names. 14-1.
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  And the only guy he lost to was this one guy.
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  But the guy that he was fighting was like almost
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  just an average fighter. He lost numerous times, but he
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  beat this one guy. So I said, okay. I really
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  don't know who you're talking about. I will figure it out. Okay.
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  But about a year ago. But the point is that
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  he lost. He wasn't nearly the fighter. But the one
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  who was not nearly the fighter had beaten. He's the
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  only guy that beat the champ like five years before.
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  And I said, I'll take the guy that won the
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  other fight. And that's what happened. He beat him a
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  second time.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes psychological advantages.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was this crazy thing. Lincoln had a– I
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  don't know. I've never read this. I heard it from
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  people in the White House who really understand what was
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  going on with the whole life of the White House.
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  But Lincoln had the yips about– in a way, as
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  the golfers would say. He had a phobia about Robert E. Lee.
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  He said, I can't beat Robert– Because Robert E. Lee
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  won many battles in a row. He was just beating
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  the hell out of them. You know, they tried to
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  get Robert E. Lee to be on the North. But
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  he said, no, I have to be with my state.
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  You know, the state was his whole thing. And he
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  went to the South. And he was, I've had generals
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  tell me, we have some great generals, the real generals,
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  not the ones you see on television, the ones that
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  beat ISIS with me. We defeated ISIS in record time.
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  It was supposed to take years. And we did it
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  in a matter of weeks. These are great generals. These
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  are tough guys. These are not woke guys. But their
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  favorite general in terms of genius was Robert E. Lee.
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  In terms of strategy? Strategically. He took a war that
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  should have been over in a few days and it
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  was years of hell, a vicious war. And so here
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  I am standing there and again, I had never really
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  done this before. I ran. I ran a number of
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  months before I won. I probably, I guess if you
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  figured max it out, it would be a year, something
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  like that. So I had never run for office. And
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  I did well. I mean, I went into debates. We
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  had 18 people, including me. And then slowly but surely,
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  they started to disappear. We had debates, good debates. Everyone's
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  aware of all this stuff.
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  Speaker 2: But what I want to get to is like what
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  was the experience once you got inside? What did you
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  think it was going to be like in terms of
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  like your ability to govern? Like this is your first
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  experience governing anything. You've never been a governor. You've never
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  been a mayor.
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  Speaker 1: Private stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Business.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But now all of a sudden you're inside the White House.
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  Speaker 1: The biggest thing was just that first moment of being
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  in this hallowed– it was really a hallowed place to me.
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  It was beyond– to me, that was the experience. It
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  was a surreal experience. And then with time, that wears off.
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  With time, it becomes, you know, your place where you stay. Right.
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  I was doing a lot of– I had two things
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  that I really focused on, governing the country and survival.
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  Because from the moment I won, before I got to office,
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  all of a sudden, I mean, they came down. I mean,
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  nobody has ever been treated that way. And you see that.
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  I mean you see we're in the Washington Post very
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  early on. They said, well, now the impeachment stuff starts
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  and it did. I mean it literally started from the beginning.
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  So I had survival and run the nation. I had
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  a combination. Most people don't have the survival. They get in.
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  Speaker 2: What did you expect though in terms of like once
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  you got inside, you had a point?
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  Speaker 1: All these people.
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  Speaker 2: How many appointments did you have to make?
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  Speaker 1: Well, you have actually 10,000 appointments. Now, they're different. You
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  have big ones and then they appoint 100 people and
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  200 people. But the president really is involved with approximately 10,000 appointments.
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  So you'll appoint a secretary of state and he or
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  she will appoint a lot of people. So it's a lot.
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  But in terms of major ones, you probably have like 100.
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  But they're big ones, treasury, state. military.
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  Speaker 2: And how did you know who to appoint?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I didn't. I had no experience. I was there
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  17 times in Washington and I never stayed over. According
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  to the press, which I think is probably right, over
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  the years, I was only there 17 times. I never
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  stayed over. So now I'm sitting there, I'm saying, this
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  place is gorgeous, but you know, I don't know anybody.
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  It's like you, you know, you go to certain areas
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  and other areas, they may be great. Washington was great.
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  Washington's not so great right now. We got to fix it.
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  We got to make it better. A very dangerous place,
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  very badly maintained place. We're going to make it great.
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  We're going to make it better. We're going to bring
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  it back. But I wasn't a Washington guy. I was
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  a New York guy. I was a New York builder
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  and I built buildings in New York and I knew
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  that whole world, but I didn't know the Washington world
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  too well. And all of a sudden you're supposed to
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  be appointing top people.
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  Speaker 2: So what did you think it was going to be
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  like versus like, did you have any ideas of what
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  it was going to be like and what was different?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I was always involved in politics, but usually from
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  the standpoint of a donor.
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  Speaker 2: I was a donor.
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  Speaker 1: I was a big donor. I gave money to politicians.
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  I enjoyed politics.
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  Speaker 2: Mostly Democrats, right?
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  Speaker 1: Both, really. Pretty much both. Actually, pictures of Ronald Reagan
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  and me when I was very young. You were a
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  Democrat until like what year? I was a Democrat. I
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  could get you the exact. But the early 90s, the
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  early 90s, I switched over eventually. I actually– They had
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  a reform party. I was thinking about doing that for
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  a little while. But then fortunately I didn't because it's
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  very hard. You know, it's a two-party system. And anytime
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  you hear third party, I know you like RFK Jr.
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  and so do I. He's a fantastic guy.
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  Speaker 2: I do. But I thought that being an independent was nonsense.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't work. It doesn't work because even if you
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  do great, you're not going to get Congress. In other words,
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  you need now to say, OK, now I'll get half
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  of Congress. They're never going to vote for you. So
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  even if you got there, which is very hard, and–
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  And I know how you feel about Bobby and I
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  feel the same way and he's now with us. But
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  it doesn't– it's pure and simple. It's a two-party system. Right.
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  And somebody– I won't mention his name. But somebody spent
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  $ 250 million trying to get the nomination as a Reform
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  Party candidate or whatever and they got just nowhere. You
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  get eaten. You just get eaten. The system eats you alive.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: So– So it was really somebody that not only was
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  new to Washington, but was new to politics. So in
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  the office of the presidency, over the years, all those presidents,
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  you've had 92% were politicians and 8% were generals. General Eisenhower,
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  General Washington, right? General George Washington, he had generals. So
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  it's 8%, no admirals, 8% generals, And 92% politicians, you know,
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  they're politicians and they go on. So they never had
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  a business guy or they never had a guy that
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  wasn't elected to an office. They were all like Ronald
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  Reagan was really, he was a movie actor and then,
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  but he became the governor of California for, I think,
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  two terms and then he ran. So you'd never had
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  a thing like this. But I, you know, in terms
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  of me and sometimes I'd use it as an excuse
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  and I don't like having excuses actually, but I'd use
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  it as an excuse. I had to rely on people
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  that I respected or liked but that I didn't know
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  that well because I didn't know them that well. Some
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  of those people I campaigned against because when you have
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  18 people– we had mostly politicians running in the election,
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  running in the primaries and they got knocked out one
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  by one. But I got to like some of them.
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  Some of them I didn't like at all. I don't
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  like them now. I'd rely on them and I'd rely
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  on other people. So all of a sudden– People would
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  come in. I'd like to recommend so-and-so to be secretary
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  of state. And I'd have three, four people recommend. One
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  thing I can tell you, Joe, everybody wants the position.
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  Speaker 2: Of course.
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  Speaker 1: No, no. But sometimes I'll hear a lot of people
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  don't want to work with Trump because Trump is tough
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  to work with, et cetera. Let me tell you, everybody
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  wants to be any one of these positions. They'd die
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  for it. Of course. Now, they don't want to be known.
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  I mean, there's a particular guy in New York, primarily,
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  a very big Very big, very successful, very strong, very political,
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  although he's not a politician. He'd give anything to be
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  secretary of state. But if they ask him, no, I
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  don't think I would do it. But in the meantime,
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  begging for it. OK, begging. I believe you. Everybody– look,
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  everybody wants it. By the way, no matter what you do,
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  but it's very dangerous to pick somebody outside of a
• 19:00
  politician because a politician has been basically vetted for years. Right.
• 19:04
  You pick a business guy. And they've never been vetted
• 19:07
  at all and they're the head of a big company
• 19:10
  or something. But they've never been vetted. You know nothing
• 19:13
  about his personal life. You know nothing about where he's been.
• 19:16
  When you put them in, it's a little bit dangerous
• 19:18
  because all of a sudden they get checked up and
• 19:20
  you hear things that you're saying, wow, this is not
• 19:22
  going to work out too well. So it's very dangerous.
• 19:26
  Picking people that are outside of politics is somewhat dangerous.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: So you're kind of stuck in a position where you
• 19:32
  have to pick established people. And then the problem with
• 19:34
  established people is established people are already indoctrinated into the system.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: And they're stiffs in many cases. Stiffs. They're survivors. I
• 19:42
  find that– What.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: Do you mean by stiffs? When you say stiffs?
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: They don't have nothing. They have nothing. Or they're smart
• 19:51
  and survival. One little thing. So there was a congressman
• 19:53
  years before I ran, and I was very close to him.
• 19:57
  And I needed a license on something, and he was
• 19:59
  very important in getting the license. But it was a
• 20:02
  little bit controversial, the license, this particular thing that was
• 20:05
  being licensed. But I was close to this guy. And
• 20:09
  helped him and everything else. And I went to him.
• 20:11
  I said, I'd like to have your help. And he said,
• 20:15
  let me take a look at it. I said, oh,
• 20:17
  that's not too good. But I really hope you're going
• 20:20
  to help. Anyway, he tapped me along for a long
• 20:22
  period of time and ultimately didn't do it. And I said,
• 20:25
  you are a stiff. You could have done this thing
• 20:27
  so easy, et cetera. But it was controversial. He was
• 20:30
  in Congress for many years, like 28 years. And, you know,
• 20:33
  there's a reason when somebody's there for 28 years, you've
• 20:36
  got to be sort of smart. Right. You know, you
• 20:38
  have all the scandals. A survivor. And I realized he
• 20:40
  was a survivor.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: And so they never do anything controversial. They never take
• 20:45
  any chances or speak their opinion. It's outside of it.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: And yet I don't disrespect him for it. So I
• 20:51
  actually respected the guy more in a way, in a
• 20:53
  certain way. Cause he did survive. You know what? He's
• 20:55
  been there like for 28 years and he made it through.
• 20:59
  A lot of people don't make it through.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: It's a good way for non-exceptional people to survive.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: Well, it is. I mean, it certainly is.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: So you're, you're in there, you have 10,000 appointments you
• 21:08
  have to make. Like, So you're getting advice from people
• 21:11
  and at one point– did you have a moment in
• 21:14
  time where you realized like these are bad choices? Like
• 21:18
  some of these people I shouldn't have had in there?
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. I think– so the one question that you'll
• 21:23
  ask me that I think you'll ask me that people
• 21:25
  seem to ask and I always come up with the
• 21:28
  same answer. The one mistake because I had a lot
• 21:32
  of success, great economy, great everything. Everything was great. We
• 21:36
  were The military rebuilt it. Biggest tax cuts in history.
• 21:40
  All this stuff. We had a great presidency. Three Supreme
• 21:44
  Court justices. Most people get none. You know, you pick
• 21:47
  them young. This way they're there for 50 years, right? So,
• 21:51
  you know, even if a president is there for eight years,
• 21:54
  oftentimes they never have a chance. I had three. It
• 21:56
  was sort of the luck of the draw. But I
• 21:59
  will say that it always comes back to the same answer.
• 22:04
  The biggest mistake I made was I picked some people.
• 22:06
  I picked some great people, you know, but you don't
• 22:09
  think about that. I picked some people that I shouldn't
• 22:13
  have picked. I picked a few people that I shouldn't
• 22:16
  have picked. Neocons? Yeah, neocons or bad people or disloyal
• 22:21
  people or.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: People that were just bad. Because you got bad advice.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, look, I mean, you're reading about them
• 22:28
  a little bit today. A guy like Kelly who was
• 22:31
  a bully, a bully but a weak person, you know.
• 22:33
  You know more about bullies than anybody probably around because
• 22:36
  you deal in a certain sport where the bullies are
• 22:39
  exposed very quickly. But, you know, he's bad. Bolton was
• 22:44
  an idiot but he was great for me because I'd
• 22:47
  go in with a guy like a John Bolton. You
• 22:49
  know John Bolton. A friend of mine called me up.
• 22:52
  I was picking Bolton and he's a very smart guy.
• 22:54
  His name is Phil Ruffin. He's a very rich guy
• 22:57
  from Las Vegas, one of the. He's a great card player.
• 23:00
  He doesn't play cards, but he's a great player. You know,
• 23:02
  he's just a natural. He's got poker sense, right? You know,
• 23:05
  the good old poker sense. And Phil Ruffin is a very,
• 23:09
  very wise kind of a guy and one of the
• 23:13
  richest people around and has had great success and understands people.
• 23:18
  So it was in that I was picking Bolton or
• 23:21
  I picked Bolton. He called up. He said, don't pick him.
• 23:24
  He's a bad guy. Now, he wasn't in politics at all.
• 23:27
  He's in politics. various businesses. He said, he's a bad guy.
• 23:33
  He's just, it always works out bad with that guy.
• 23:36
  And I said, oh man, I wish you told me
• 23:39
  this two weeks ago. I already hired him. You know,
• 23:40
  he's here. And he was right. But he was good
• 23:45
  in a certain way. He's a nut job. And every
• 23:49
  time I had to deal with a country, when they
• 23:52
  saw this whack job standing behind me, they said, oh man,
• 23:57
  Trump is going to go to war with us. He
• 23:58
  was with Bush when they went stupidly into the Middle East.
• 24:01
  They should have never done it. I used to say
• 24:03
  it as a civilian. So I always got more publicity
• 24:07
  than other people and I didn't– it wasn't like I
• 24:09
  was trying. In fact, I don't know exactly why. Maybe
• 24:13
  you can tell me why.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: Oh, I could definitely tell you. You said a lot
• 24:16
  of wild shit.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: Maybe. Maybe.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: He said a lot of wild shit and then CNN
• 24:22
  in all their brilliance by highlighting your wild shit made
• 24:25
  you much more popular. And they boosted you in the
• 24:28
  polls because people were tired of someone talking in this bullshit,
• 24:33
  pre-prepared politician lingo. And even if they didn't agree with you,
• 24:37
  they at least knew whoever that guy is, that's him.
• 24:40
  That's really him. When you see certain people talk, certain
• 24:43
  people in the public eye– You don't know who they are.
• 24:46
  You have no idea who they are. It's very difficult.
• 24:49
  You see them in conversations. They have these preplanned answers.
• 24:53
  They say everything. It's very rehearsed. You never get to
• 24:56
  the meat of it. One of the beautiful things about
• 24:59
  you is that you freeball. Like you get out and
• 25:01
  you do these huge events and you're just talking and
• 25:04
  you're making– we've highlighted you on the show many times.
• 25:07
  We did this Biden impression where he's walking around. He
• 25:09
  doesn't know what he's doing.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: It's funny.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: It's stand-up.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: It's funny stuff.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: But it's like you– you were making fun of Elon
• 25:16
  one time. You were doing an Elon impression. It's great.
• 25:19
  You have like comedic instincts. Like when you said to Hillary,
• 25:22
  you'd be in jail. Like that's great timing. But it's
• 25:25
  like that kind of stuff was unheard of as a politician.
• 25:29
  Like no one had done that. And I think …
• 25:41
  It's the most dangerous business.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: Well, for a job? Yes.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: I mean other than going to war and being a
• 25:47
  firefighter or being a cop, it's the most dangerous business.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: It's the most dangerous. Being president is the most dangerous.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: Especially you. I mean you haven't even got to the election.
• 25:57
  There's been two assassination attempts and they've brushed those out
• 26:00
  of the news like it was nothing.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they'd rather not talk about them.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: Imagine if there was assassination attempts on Biden, how hard
• 26:07
  people would be attacking the right. They would be trying
• 26:10
  to get guns taken away from people. They would try
• 26:12
  to ramp up gun laws. They would try to figure
• 26:15
  out some way to blame you. If there was a
• 26:17
  tax on– if Biden got shot in the ear, we
• 26:19
  would have never heard the end of it.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: But I think he's in good shape because it's only
• 26:23
  consequential precedents. If you take a look at what's happened, look,
• 26:28
  I'm for having countries pay us billions and billions and
• 26:32
  trillions even dollars. I took in hundreds of billions of
• 26:34
  dollars from China. Nobody took in $ 0. 10, not one other president.
• 26:38
  I do things that make it, I mean, that don't
• 26:42
  necessarily make me so popular. I just do what's right.
• 26:45
  And when you do that, you know, you're more, look
• 26:47
  at Iran. We would have never had the attack on
• 26:50
  Israel at all. Iran was broke. I told China, if
• 26:53
  you buy, you can't do business in the United States
• 26:56
  under any circumstances. We're going to go cold turkey with China.
• 27:00
  Some people think that would have been a good idea anyway.
• 27:02
  But if you buy any oil, one barrel of oil
• 27:05
  from them, you're not doing business. I say that to
• 27:07
  many countries. Iran was broke. They had no money for Hezbollah.
• 27:10
  They had no money for Hamas. They had no– but
• 27:14
  I make myself– I mean I understand what I'm doing.
• 27:18
  You make yourself a target and it's a very dangerous business.
• 27:22
  But if you just look at statistically– so I said–
• 27:26
  I sort of think– I don't know if it's right.
• 27:28
  But one-tenth of one percent for a race car driver.
• 27:31
  It's a pretty dangerous business, right? One-tenth of one percent.
• 27:35
  For a bull rider, I tell you, to me– You're
• 27:37
  talking death? These guys that ride the bulls is worse
• 27:40
  than UFC. It's worse. Yeah. These guys, you see these
• 27:42
  big monster bulls and you see it in slow motion
• 27:45
  where the foot is like an inch away from the head.
• 27:49
  If it hits him, the guy is gone. But they die.
• 27:51
  They die.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: So one-tenth of one percent die. Is that what you're saying?
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah. One-tenth of one percent die.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: And they certainly get hurt badly. Really. I mean they
• 27:58
  can't walk after a certain period of time. But with
• 28:01
  a president, if you look at.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: The amount of assassination attempts.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: And attempts too. And attempts. No, it's a very dangerous position.
• 28:09
  I never thought of that, by the way, when I
• 28:11
  did it. You don't tend to– Do you.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: Just assume because people loved you on The Apprentice, they
• 28:15
  were going to love you.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: As a president? Well, I figured it would be so easy.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: Well, it probably would have been if the media didn't
• 28:21
  attack you the way they did, if they didn't conflate
• 28:24
  you with Hitler. I mean even today, like Kamala was
• 28:27
  talking about you and Hitler. You're They're going to take
• 28:29
  what you said about Robert E. Lee.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: Oh, Donald Trump wishes the South won.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: He loves Robert E. Lee.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: That's right. He loves Robert E. Lee.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: They love to take things out of context and distort things.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: But they don't even have to take them out. They
• 28:40
  make them up entirely. They do that too. But it's interesting.
• 28:43
  When you mentioned the– I was very popular and all
• 28:48
  those people loved me. I mean this– some of these women,
• 28:53
  they're so stupid and joyous. She would– every time she'd
• 28:58
  see me, like I'd be in the theater or something,
• 29:01
  she'd say, you have to be on the show again.
• 29:03
  Come on. Come on. Let's go.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: We have to– She loved you.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: She loved me.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: That episode where– By the way, Whoopi– People should watch
• 29:08
  that episode just to see what we're talking about. Like
• 29:10
  I said, we don't want to get a copyright strike,
• 29:11
  so we're not going to put it up. But if
• 29:13
  you watch the episode, it's bananas. It's like an alternative
• 29:16
  universe and it's only nine years ago.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: Whoopi loved me. Loved you. Gives you a hug and
• 29:21
  a kiss. And how about that other one, the new
• 29:23
  one on there, the one from my administration? She writes
• 29:27
  me a letter. You're the greatest president. She leaves. You know,
• 29:30
  she worked as like an assistant press secretary. I hardly
• 29:33
  knew her. But she leaves and she writes me this
• 29:36
  gorgeous letter. What's her name? She was. I don't even know.
• 29:40
  You know, anyway, she was in the administration. She's on
• 29:43
  now currently. Sits in the far right-hand side, whatever the
• 29:46
  hell her name is. And she writes a letter, the
• 29:49
  most beautiful letter. She's quoted in the paper. He's a consequential.
• 29:53
  He was the greatest president, blah, blah, blah. Then all
• 29:56
  of a sudden she goes in the view. She started
• 29:58
  hitting the hell out of me. Because they won't hire
• 30:00
  unless I've had many people go on CNN and they
• 30:02
  call and said, I don't know what to do. They
• 30:05
  want to pay me a lot, but I have to
• 30:06
  be negative on you. I said, be negative. That's OK.
• 30:08
  There are guys on like CNN. They won't hire them.
• 30:12
  Sean Duffy is a congressman and he retired. He got
• 30:16
  a good job with CNN, but he was only positive
• 30:19
  about Trump. So they kept him, but they would never
• 30:22
  put him on. I mean, I respect what he did.
• 30:25
  He could have gone negative. I tell people. Go negative.
• 30:28
  Let my friends make the money. It's so crooked. The
• 30:31
  press is so crooked.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: It's crooked but it's also– they're diminishing themselves.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: They're hurting themselves.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: They're killing all their credibility and it's opening up the
• 30:39
  credibility to new media. It's opening up the credibility to
• 30:42
  independent media.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: The worst I've ever seen though– and I've seen the worst.
• 30:46
  I mean I've been a part of it. I've seen
• 30:48
  the worst. Kamala goes on 60 Minutes, gave an answer
• 30:53
  that a child wouldn't give. It was so bad. And
• 30:57
  60 Minutes took the answer out. They took the whole–
• 31:01
  and they put another answer in.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: They edited it deceptively.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: Which didn't make sense either but it was better. They
• 31:06
  took the– well, it wasn't editing. It was fraud. This
• 31:09
  was not editing. Editing is where I'll give an answer
• 31:12
  and they'll take a couple of words and change them
• 31:14
  around or they might even take a sentence or two off,
• 31:16
  which is very bad. But that's– it's sort of bad.
• 31:19
  I'd give an answer, which was a very good answer.
• 31:22
  I always talk about– I like to give long the
• 31:25
  weave answers.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you like to weave things in.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: But when you do the weaves, and you have to
• 31:30
  be very smart to do weaves. When you do the weave,
• 31:32
  look at this. Just in this one thing, we're talking
• 31:34
  about little pieces.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: You've got to get it back to home.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: No, no. It comes back home for the right people.
• 31:39
  For the wrong people, it doesn't come back home and
• 31:40
  they end up in the wilderness, right? But they can
• 31:44
  take my answer. And you know what? They may take
• 31:47
  a little piece of it out or something. And they
• 31:49
  use the term, yes, we want to save time. Well,
• 31:52
  it's not right. But I've never heard. I think it's
• 31:55
  the biggest scandal in broadcast history, what happened to CBS.
• 31:59
  So you have CBS 60 Minutes. That's a news program.
• 32:02
  It's not an entertainment program. It's under their news. It's
• 32:04
  the head of their news thing. She gives an answer
• 32:07
  that was– that shows that she's essentially incompetent and they
• 32:12
  took the answer. Could you imagine them doing that for me?
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: We can show it if you want people to see it.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: Can we show it? No?
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: We'll get in trouble. We'll get copyright strike.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: OK. I'll indemnify you.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: But it's drastic. But what was interesting was the other
• 32:27
  full version was available initially. It was like a preview.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: Somebody made a big mistake.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: Somebody put that preview out there. Some kid put the
• 32:34
  preview out.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: Exactly. And then the bosses did this or that. Exactly.
• 32:37
  And then all of a sudden they said, we got
• 32:38
  a problem.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: And then it became– They got caught by mistake. Well–
• 32:42
  But don't you think that's a big– to me– and
• 32:45
  don't forget, this is election interference and fraud. And it's
• 32:49
  60 Minutes. It's their news division. So it's a big deal.
• 32:54
  They give those licenses out, Joe, for free. They should
• 32:57
  pay a fortune. They're worth a fortune. They give them
• 32:59
  out for free because they're using the public airwaves. With cable,
• 33:04
  you don't have that. Cable's different. But, you know, it's
• 33:07
  just a different deal. But with the networks, they give
• 33:10
  those licenses. They're worth billions of dollars. They give them
• 33:14
  out free. But you have to be honest and all.
• 33:16
  That was bad. I think that David Muir and that
• 33:18
  woman that was a site, I never even heard of her,
• 33:20
  but They kept interrupting me. It was like– I said,
• 33:23
  how many people am I debating here? I got this
• 33:25
  one and I got you two. But he went after
• 33:28
  me 11 different times. It's interesting. I always thought he
• 33:32
  was a nice guy but he's just like the rest
• 33:34
  of them.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: Well, that's his job unfortunately and I'm sure– No, but
• 33:37
  not when they're wrong. You're right. Well, the problem was
• 33:40
  they fact-checked you and they didn't fact-check her.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: Not at all.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: One of the most egregious examples of that was when
• 33:46
  she said that there is– there are no troops right
• 33:49
  now deployed in war zones.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: There's a very famous viral video that went online of
• 33:54
  troops in a war zone saying, well, what the fuck
• 33:57
  are we then? Because there's thousands of them. Dan Crenshaw,
• 34:01
  the congressman, posted on his Instagram all of the various
• 34:06
  examples of troops that are deployed, thousands and thousands of
• 34:10
  troops that are currently deployed.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: Stupidly deployed.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: But the point is if this is going to be
• 34:14
  an actual real debate and not a propaganda exercise, if
• 34:17
  it's going to be a real debate, you have to
• 34:19
  fact check everybody. Like if someone says maybe she thought
• 34:22
  there was no– which is also a problem. So it's
• 34:25
  one of two things. It's either it was not true.
• 34:28
  It was a lie on purpose, which is terrible. Or
• 34:32
  it was the opposite. It was ignorance, which is also terrible.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: Well, Joe, when I said crime is soaring, he said, no, no,
• 34:38
  crime has gone down. I said, where did you hear
• 34:41
  that one? Crime has gone down. I mean I'm debating
• 34:43
  with this guy. But I've had that.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: Well, there was amended FBI statistics that came out after
• 34:48
  that that showed the crime had gone up substantially.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: And by the way, the statistics were a fraud because
• 34:53
  when they put out the statistics, they didn't include some
• 34:55
  of the worst places. They didn't include some of the
• 34:57
  worst cities, some of the most deadly places. But when
• 35:01
  the real numbers came out, I turned out to be right.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: You turned out to be right. But then there's another problem.
• 35:06
  Unreported crime is way up. Because people have lost– look,
• 35:09
  the morale that the police department has in a lot
• 35:12
  of these cities where they've done this defund the police bullshit,
• 35:14
  the morale of these poor cops, it's fucking horrible. It's
• 35:17
  the dumbest idea of all time. But what they've done
• 35:20
  is they've made these cops feel terrible, like good cops.
• 35:24
  I think cops are just like everybody else. Most of
• 35:26
  them are great. It's like everybody else. But if you
• 35:29
  run into one carpenter and he does a shitty job
• 35:31
  in your house, you say carpenters fucking suck. But they
• 35:34
  don't suck. Most of them are great. And that's the
• 35:36
  key with cops. But the point is like they did
• 35:40
  all of these things in this very foolish way. And
• 35:44
  these cops are suffering the consequences of it. And so
• 35:46
  subsequently what happens is a lot of crime is unreported.
• 35:49
  A lot of crime– like you call the cops. They're
• 35:52
  too busy. They can't even get to you. Or your
• 35:53
  house got broken into. Sorry. It doesn't even make a report.
• 35:57
  There's a lot of people that they just give up.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: It's so sad what's happened. And I'll tell you what–
• 36:04
  I go to police funerals and we went to one
• 36:08
  in Long Island. I visited the family in Long Island.
• 36:10
  Very big deal. It's so dangerous. People don't realize. The car,
• 36:16
  dark windows, pull over. He's a gentleman. Please pull over.
• 36:20
  Door opens. Guy comes out firing. Even if they were
• 36:24
  allowed to pull out their gun, which they're not. They
• 36:26
  can't pull out their gun. They still wouldn't have time.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: It's every cop's worst nightmare.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: They open the door. And he was killed and his
• 36:34
  partner was hurt. He was killed. And you don't have,
• 36:37
  I mean, you don't even have an eighth of a
• 36:39
  second to think. And it is such a dangerous job.
• 36:43
  That in particular, think of it, you go up to
• 36:45
  a car, you don't know who's sitting there with a gun.
• 36:47
  And if they have a gun, you really don't have
• 36:49
  a chance. You're not allowed to have your gun out,
• 36:51
  by the way. Yep, they're very strict rules. So number one,
• 36:54
  they're in it. But even if you could have your
• 36:56
  gun out, the door opens and a guy and bullets
• 36:59
  start firing out, you know, and especially where they have
• 37:02
  the dark windows, where they have the darkened windows. It
• 37:05
  is such a dangerous profession. And it's very hard to
• 37:09
  get cops now because they're not given any backup. And
• 37:13
  you're right. You know, they have like an eighth of
• 37:16
  a second to make a decision that's going to change
• 37:18
  their life. If they make the wrong decision, they're going
• 37:21
  to end up on the front page of every newspaper
• 37:23
  in the country. And they're going to lose their house
• 37:26
  and their pension and their job and their wife is
• 37:28
  going to be gone and everything is going to be gone.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: And here's another thing that people don't talk about. How
• 37:32
  many of them have PTSD? Probably most of them. These
• 37:35
  guys are seeing people shot all the time. I've talked
• 37:39
  to a ton of cops about it. A lot of
• 37:41
  cops commit suicide. A lot of cops are deeply depressed.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: But we have to give them back their dignity. We
• 37:47
  have to. We can't. We just have to give it back.
• 37:50
  You said it so good. You never hear anybody say that.
• 37:54
  You're never going to have it perfect. You're going to
• 37:55
  have a bad apple. In everything, in every profession. But
• 37:58
  every time there's a bad apple, that gets massive publicity
• 38:01
  and it taints everybody else.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: But it's also this very irresponsible thing where people say
• 38:06
  defund the police, get rid of the police.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: Even Kamala Harris was a part of that.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: It's a very stupid way to look at it. What
• 38:12
  you should do is fund the police. You should have
• 38:14
  better training. You should have cops that feel more appreciated.
• 38:17
  You should have something that helps mitigate this PTSD that
• 38:21
  all of them suffer through.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: Go ahead. She was a big part of Defund the Police.
• 38:25
  That was a big thing for her, Defund the Police,
• 38:27
  always Defund the Police.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: Well, it's a political idea.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: But anybody with that political thought, I don't think should
• 38:34
  be running for president. And I think people are getting
• 38:36
  wise to it. You know, we're doing pretty well now.
• 38:39
  I don't know. Maybe in a week from now, say,
• 38:41
  sorry about that. I was wrong. But we're leading everything.
• 38:44
  And I think we're going to have a very good election.
• 38:47
  But I tell people because people are starting to get
• 38:49
  to know her. But she was to fund the police.
• 38:52
  She was to all these transgender operations. You know, if
• 38:56
  you wanted a sex change and you were in detention
• 38:58
  and you demanded a sex change, they would give you
• 39:01
  a sex change.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: Well, the wildest one is this idea of giving free
• 39:05
  sex change to illegal immigrants.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: That's right. In detention.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: That is the wildest thing. Is that the biggest problem
• 39:13
  you have? You just walked here from Guatemala. You need
• 39:15
  to become a girl.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: But she was in favor of it.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: So think of it. Now she changed. She changed 15 policies.
• 39:22
  In fact, I'm going to send her a MAGA cap.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: She stole your idea about no tax for tips.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: I came up with this idea, but honestly nobody ever
• 39:31
  heard of it. Now, it took her two months, but
• 39:34
  you know what? Well, it caught fire. And she just
• 39:36
  put it into a little speech. Yeah. It became popular.
• 39:39
  I think we still have that issue. I think that
• 39:41
  issue is a good one for us. But no, we
• 39:43
  have a lot of good issues. You know, we had
• 39:45
  the other day. Think of how simple some of these
• 39:47
  things are. We're trying to get cars built in the
• 39:49
  United States. Detroit has been really tough. It's been a disaster.
• 39:53
  They have a huge factory, a huge car auto plant
• 39:55
  being built by China in Mexico. Make cars, sell them
• 39:58
  in the United States, put everybody out of business, right?
• 40:00
  Here we go again. I said, if that plant is
• 40:03
  there when I'm president, I will put 100 or 200
• 40:07
  percent tariffs on every car. They'll be unsaleable in the
• 40:10
  United States. And they just announced they're not going to
• 40:13
  build the plant because they think I'm going to win.
• 40:15
  Think of it. They're not going to build the plant.
• 40:17
  This was the biggest plant in the world. More than
• 40:21
  all of Michigan makes. That's how big. You know, this
• 40:24
  is what we're getting to. And I said, if that
• 40:28
  plan goes up, I want them to understand if I win,
• 40:31
  I'm going to tax those cars at the rate of
• 40:33
  100 or 200 percent apiece so that you won't be
• 40:36
  able to sell them in the United States. They just
• 40:39
  announced they're not going to build the plant.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I read that.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: I did a big favor for our country by doing that.
• 40:45
  And I'm not even there yet. To me, the most
• 40:48
  beautiful word, and I've said this for the last couple
• 40:50
  of weeks in the dictionary today, is the word tariff.
• 40:56
  It's more beautiful than love. It's more beautiful than anything.
• 40:59
  It's the most beautiful word. This country can become rich.
• 41:04
  With the use– the proper use of tariffs.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: Did you just float out the idea of getting rid
• 41:10
  of income taxes and replacing it with tariffs?
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: Well, OK.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: Are we serious about that?
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, sure. But why not? Because we– ready? Our country
• 41:18
  was the richest in the– relatively in the 1880s and 1890s.
• 41:24
  A president who was assassinated named McKinley. He was the
• 41:28
  tariff king. He spoke beautifully of tariffs. His language was
• 41:32
  really beautiful. We will not allow the enemy to come
• 41:37
  in and take our jobs and take our factories and
• 41:40
  take our workers and take our families unless they pay
• 41:43
  a big price. And the big price is tariffs. And
• 41:47
  he'd speak like that, but he was right. And then
• 41:50
  around in the early 1900s, they switched over stupidly to, frankly,
• 41:54
  an income tax. And you know why? Because countries were
• 41:57
  putting a lot of pressure on America. We don't want
• 41:59
  to pay tariffs. Please don't. You know, they believe me,
• 42:02
  they control our politicians. If you look at the kind
• 42:05
  of numbers that these guys make then and now. But
• 42:10
  we had a commission meeting in the, I think it
• 42:16
  was 1887. Think of this problem. We were so rich.
• 42:20
  We had so much money. We didn't know what to do.
• 42:23
  So they set up a blue ribbon commission on tariffs.
• 42:27
  And the sole purpose is what to do with all
• 42:30
  the money we had. We were so rich. Because we
• 42:33
  were taxing other people for coming in and taking our jobs.
• 42:38
  And China does it. That's what China did. If you
• 42:40
  want to open a factory and sell cars, if you
• 42:43
  build a factory here or have a factory, they don't
• 42:45
  take our cars. They wouldn't take our cars. But if
• 42:48
  you build a plant in China, you can do that.
• 42:52
  Elon did that. By the way, Elon is great. That
• 42:55
  guy is such a great guy. I think you're a
• 42:57
  fan of Elon. He is from a different planet. He's
• 43:01
  the greatest guy. That rocket coming in. I told the
• 43:06
  story once or twice. So you may have heard it
• 43:08
  because his speeches have been good. Did you see the
• 43:10
  one last night? Yeah. Twenty nine thousand people. That was it. Yeah.
• 43:13
  And the one the night before was the same thing.
• 43:16
  We are we are rocking and rolling. But but Elon,
• 43:20
  I'm talking to this very important guy. I say, wait
• 43:23
  a minute. I'm looking at something. The television's unmuted. Right.
• 43:26
  And I see this rocket. It's all dead. brown from
• 43:29
  the heat, you know, 10,000 degrees pouring down at thousands
• 43:33
  of miles an hour. And I see this thing, you know,
• 43:36
  it's like a 20-story building. And I say to this guy,
• 43:39
  he's an important guy. Wait a minute. Let me just
• 43:42
  put you down. Hold it. I got to see this.
• 43:45
  And I see this, and it's going to crash. I say,
• 43:47
  it's going to crash into the gantry. They call it
• 43:49
  a gantry. I said, oh, man, that's going to be
• 43:52
  a disaster because it's starting to get very close. And
• 43:54
  then all of a sudden you see the flames and
• 43:56
  about a roar. And then you see the two arms
• 43:59
  grab it.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: Crazy.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: And I forgot the guy. I had him on the phone. No,
• 44:06
  I called Elon. I said, was that you? He said,
• 44:08
  that was me. And I said, who else can do that?
• 44:10
  He said, nobody. Russia can't do it. The United States,
• 44:13
  nobody can do it. You know, I set up Space Force.
• 44:15
  That was me. And that's the first time in 82
• 44:17
  years that we opened another branch since the Air Force.
• 44:22
  And that's going to be one of our most important things.
• 44:23
  But Think of what Elon does. And he did one
• 44:26
  other thing that I never heard of it. It's Starlink.
• 44:31
  I went down to North Carolina, Georgia, the different places.
• 44:35
  I followed it right down. And they had no communication.
• 44:38
  The polls were all knocked down. And one of the
• 44:41
  guys in North Carolina said, could you do me a favor?
• 44:45
  Do you know Elon Musk? Yes. He endorsed me. By
• 44:48
  the way, he gave me the nicest endorsement, too. He said,
• 44:51
  the country's going to fail. You should do the same thing, Joe.
• 44:54
  Because you cannot be voting for Kamala. Kamala, you're not
• 44:58
  a Kamala person. I know you. I've watched you. I
• 45:01
  know him better than he is. You know what? Without
• 45:03
  speaking to you, I think I know you maybe almost
• 45:05
  as well as your wife. I have watched you for
• 45:07
  so many years. You're not a Kamala person. You're a
• 45:10
  Khabib person, but you're not a Kamala person. Nobody's going
• 45:14
  to know who Khabib is, but.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: Oh, they know who he is.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: He was not bad, right?
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: Oh, he was phenomenal.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: But that's your kind of person.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: Your weave is getting wide. We're getting wide with this weave.
• 45:24
  I want to bring it back to tariffs.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: But wait one second. Before we finish with tariffs, so
• 45:29
  they said, could you get him? We need Starlink. And
• 45:32
  I call Elon. He got it for him so fast.
• 45:34
  Saved so many lives. And I said, how was it?
• 45:37
  They said, better than the wires. They couldn't put them in.
• 45:40
  They were all gone.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: I used it recently in Utah in the mountains.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: Did you find it good?
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's phenomenal. It's the size of like an iPad.
• 45:48
  You just set it down on the ground. You get
• 45:49
  high-speed internet.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: It's incredible. We're spending– just to show you, we're spending
• 45:54
  a trillion dollars to get cables all over the country, right?
• 45:59
  Up to upstate areas. We have like two farms and
• 46:03
  they're spending millions of dollars to have a kid.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: Well, talk about the $ 42 billion that was wasted on
• 46:08
  this internet access program. They didn't get anybody access to internet.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: They haven't hooked up one person yet.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: Not one person. They spent $ 42 billion. They could have
• 46:17
  gotten Starlinks to everybody. With that kind of money.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: For almost nothing. Yeah. For a monthly charge.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: And it would have been incredible. And it's high speed
• 46:24
  internet everywhere you want to go.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: And he wanted to do that. And he wanted to
• 46:27
  do it. How about this? They built the charger stations, right?
• 46:32
  In the Midwest. They built eight of them. They cost
• 46:36
  $ 9 billion. That's like a gas pump, right? They built
• 46:40
  nine gas pumps except electricity comes out. They spent $ 9 billion.
• 46:44
  Three of them don't work. The whole thing. There's so
• 46:48
  much wasted. I could sit here and tell you about
• 46:51
  things that there's so much waste, abuse and fraud. Oh,
• 46:56
  there's– yeah.
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: I'm sure. I mean I think everybody is aware of
• 47:00
  that now.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: Let's get back to tariffs.
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: When you're talking about– one of the criticisms of your
• 47:04
  administration was with tax cuts and with tariffs, you increase
• 47:07
  the deficit. So– Was the– what was the strategy behind
• 47:13
  that and did you think it was going to increase
• 47:14
  the deficit by a substantial amount?
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: OK. We were ready to rock. It was all– I
• 47:21
  had a bad system. We had horrible tax policy. I
• 47:24
  made it great with a much lower tax rate. So
• 47:29
  I took it from almost 40 percent down to 21 percent.
• 47:33
  Now I'm bringing it from 21 down to 15 but
• 47:36
  only if you make your product in the United States.
• 47:39
  which is great. People call me, they said, what a
• 47:41
  great idea. Nobody ever heard of that before. I don't
• 47:43
  care if they make the product in Japan. Why should
• 47:45
  I give up? So it's a 21. At 21, in
• 47:50
  the first year, we took in much more revenue than
• 47:53
  we did at almost 40. Think of that. It inspired.
• 47:57
  Now we had other things too. We were able to
• 47:59
  get people to bring back their money. You couldn't bring
• 48:03
  back your money. If you had money in Europe, like Apple,
• 48:07
  Apple had Many billions of dollars outside. They couldn't bring
• 48:11
  it– there was no way to bring it back in.
• 48:13
  The bureaucracy, the documents, the whole thing and also the
• 48:16
  tax was too high. They wanted like half of it
• 48:18
  or something. Nobody is going to do that. So they
• 48:20
  leave their money in Japan and they spend their money there.
• 48:24
  That was part of what I did. The money came
• 48:27
  pouring back in. Apple took in hundreds of billions of dollars.
• 48:30
  They brought it back from overseas. They brought it in.
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: So how does the deficit increase because of that?
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: So what happened is this. We were ready to rock.
• 48:37
  and roll, and then we had the COVID thing, and
• 48:39
  we had to focus on that. And if we didn't
• 48:43
  give some businesses a hand, they would have all— you
• 48:45
  would have had a depression like in 1929. But we
• 48:49
  were ready to start. We were going to— we would
• 48:51
  have very shortly been paying off debt. You know, we
• 48:54
  have $ 35 trillion in debt. And I'll never forget it.
• 48:58
  We were— it was talking about from, you know, the
• 49:02
  standpoint of being in office. I'm in the Oval Office,
• 49:05
  and I have John McLaughlin and Fabrizio, the two very
• 49:09
  good pollsters, probably, I don't know, I would say the
• 49:11
  two best, who knows, but very good pollsters. And we're
• 49:14
  starting to think about running for a second term. And
• 49:19
  we had the great... economy in history. Never has there
• 49:22
  been an economy like this.
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: And you attribute that to lowering taxes and tariffs.
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: Two things. And also I cut regulations more than anybody else.
• 49:31
  And I asked many of the businessmen from the big companies,
• 49:35
  the guys running the big companies, I'd say, so have
• 49:37
  you had your choice? You've had it now for a
• 49:39
  long time. What's more important to you, the tax cuts,
• 49:43
  you paid less tax, or the regulation cuts? Every one
• 49:46
  of them said the regulation cuts meant more. Who would
• 49:49
  think that, right? Because you don't equate it to dollars,
• 49:52
  but it actually is more dollars. We had it going
• 49:57
  and then we just had to focus on something else.
• 50:00
  But they were sitting there, these two pollsters were sitting
• 50:04
  there and they said, sir, if George Washington came back,
• 50:08
  And Abraham Lincoln was his VP, as opposed to Waltz.
• 50:13
  How bad is he, by the way? But if Abraham
• 50:16
  Lincoln was his VP, they couldn't beat you. And I'll
• 50:21
  never forget it. The following day, they said, something's happening
• 50:25
  in China, sir. Could we meet? I said, what's happening?
• 50:30
  People are dying. And it was all around the Wuhan lab,
• 50:33
  by the way. There are pictures with little lines saying,
• 50:37
  their body bags all around the Wuhan lab. And I
• 50:42
  always said that from the beginning, Joe was, you know,
• 50:43
  they tried to say, first I said it was France
• 50:46
  and they blamed everybody. But then they say it was
• 50:49
  bats from a cave, 2000 miles away. So we got
• 50:53
  hit with that. And despite that, we had the best economy.
• 50:57
  And when I gave it over, the stock market was
• 51:00
  higher than it was pre COVID. I mean, nobody could
• 51:03
  even believe it, but we saved it. And, We were
• 51:08
  helping businesses. They were dying.
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: So it's your belief that if you had a second term,
• 51:14
  given the policies in place, the way the economy was booming,
• 51:17
  that you would have been able to pay off a
• 51:19
  lot of the debt. And that was the strategy.
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: If we didn't have COVID, we would have been paying
• 51:23
  off debt and we would have had– and don't forget,
• 51:26
  by growth, the word growth is actually more important in
• 51:29
  a way because you could have the same debt. But
• 51:31
  if you doubled your growth, all of a sudden you're
• 51:32
  under levered. But still, we should pay off debt. You know,
• 51:36
  if you viewed this $ 35 trillion right now, it's a lot.
• 51:42
  But if you look at the asset value, if you
• 51:44
  looked at it purely as an asset value, we have
• 51:48
  oil underground, we have water, we have mountains. I mean,
• 51:51
  the assets are so enormous. But regardless of that, we've
• 51:56
  got $ 35 trillion in debt. We should pay it off.
• 51:59
  And we would have started paying off debt and probably
• 52:02
  even giving further, given further Tax reductions. I want to
• 52:06
  get it down to 15%. We're going to do more business.
• 52:10
  But when you get hit with a COVID, everything stops
• 52:13
  and you have to keep these businesses alive. The businesses
• 52:15
  were dying. I mean, they were just dying. This whole place,
• 52:18
  this country was going to die.
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: Are there influences outside of environmental that keep people from
• 52:25
  wanting to drill for oil and frack and do those
• 52:28
  sort of things outside of the environmental concerns, which.
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: Are legitimate, of course?
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: But are there other influences that may be over-accentuate or
• 52:37
  over-exaggerate these environmental effects? Are people being influenced in a
• 52:41
  way where they're trying to keep us from producing American oil?
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. So– The environmental is the biggest tool for
• 52:50
  stopping growth, the biggest tool. The other is regulation. And
• 52:55
  if you speak to Elon, he said the regulation now
• 52:57
  to send a rocket up to anywhere, even if you
• 53:00
  do everything, it's almost, it's becoming impossible. But they use
• 53:06
  environmental in order to get people not to do anything.
• 53:12
  And sometimes I say, You know, I look at some
• 53:15
  of the– I know the environmental stuff better because I
• 53:17
  had to build buildings in New York. I had to
• 53:19
  build– I had to do environmental impact studies. And I
• 53:22
  would see some of these guys that I'd hire for
• 53:23
  a lot of money, environmentalists that would get you through
• 53:26
  the process. And they'd be up in Albany. That's the
• 53:29
  capital of New York. And they're up there trying to
• 53:31
  make it tougher for guys like me that were builders
• 53:35
  because they'd get paid more money. In other words, I
• 53:39
  had one guy– Highly recommend it. You know, I was
• 53:43
  good at getting permits. I was one of the kings.
• 53:46
  I was always very good. But the environmental stuff was
• 53:49
  always horrible. They could slow a project down 10 years,
• 53:53
  15 years. I had a project in Louisiana built, big
• 53:56
  LNG plant. It was for 14 years. It was going
• 54:02
  to cost $ 18 billion, one of the biggest, like the
• 54:05
  Empire State Building, laying down on the side times four.
• 54:08
  Massive on the coast, on the Gulf Coast. And they said, sir,
• 54:12
  they're going to give it up. I said, they shouldn't
• 54:14
  give it up. What's the problem? They can't get their environmental.
• 54:17
  They had environmental permits that would fill this whole room
• 54:20
  up to the ceiling. And they said there was one
• 54:23
  mistake on one little line. They wanted to do it
• 54:25
  all over again. It's not going to happen. And I
• 54:28
  got them their permit instantly. And they built a plant.
• 54:33
  It's massive.
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: So when you're saying that there's people that are making
• 54:38
  money by making it difficult, are you talking about lawyers?
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: No, I'm talking about environmental consultants and lawyers.
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: Environmental consultants profit off of dragging out the process.
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. And they make the process worse.
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: How do they profit off that?
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: And I'd probably do the same thing about them, to
• 54:53
  be honest with you. As a businessman. To be honest
• 54:55
  with you.
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: How do they do that? How do they make it?
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: Let's say New York. They go to Albany. Okay. And
• 55:00
  they convince people that if you have a certain type
• 55:02
  of plant on the ground that's this big and in
• 55:05
  theory valueless, that it's a rare plant and you cannot
• 55:09
  even touch it. You can't go near it. You can't
• 55:13
  put a building on it. You can't do anything. Or
• 55:16
  there's a little puddle and they call it a lake.
• 55:19
  and you have to go by the standards of a lake.
• 55:21
  I said, no, no, that's a puddle. Oh, you have
• 55:23
  no idea. Guys are filling little puddles. You have no
• 55:27
  idea what they do. And they use it as a
• 55:30
  way to stop you.
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: They use it as a way to stop you and
• 55:32
  also as a way to generate money. I'm curious how
• 55:36
  they're generating money that way, though.
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: Well, they get fees.
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: They get fees.
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: Massive fees.
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: And people rely on them as experts because they're the
• 55:44
  people that they go to when they have to run
• 55:46
  these studies in the first place.
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: But some of them are just bad guys and they're
• 55:49
  trying to make it more and more difficult. And they
• 55:51
  have a lot of power.
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: I think they maybe had more. They didn't have as
• 55:55
  much with me because I would get through them. And
• 55:58
  I understood it. Look, I've had– I've done so many–
• 56:01
  they call it environmental impact study. I did so much
• 56:04
  to build a building. To build a building in New
• 56:06
  York is very tough. You got to be very– you
• 56:08
  got to deal with– think of it. Financing, unions, all
• 56:14
  the municipal stuff, environmental. Of all of it, to me,
• 56:18
  the toughest thing was the environmental because they could stop
• 56:22
  you cold with the environmental impact study stuff. And you
• 56:26
  hire a so-called expert. They say, sir, he's the one
• 56:29
  guy who can get you through the morass. It's a morass.
• 56:32
  It's horrible. They use it as a weapon. They use
• 56:34
  it all over the country.
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: But there are legitimate concerns about environmental impact, correct? There are.
• 56:39
  Look at the BP oil spill. There's a lot of
• 56:41
  things that do happen that are environmentally devastating.
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: Sure, yeah.
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: And you want to mitigate that as much as possible.
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: You do. Look, I had– during our four years, we
• 56:49
  had the cleanest air and the cleanest water. I view
• 56:52
  it differently. I say air and water. Remember this. It
• 56:56
  costs much more to do things environmentally clean. China doesn't
• 57:01
  do anything. Right. When Kerry goes to see President Xi
• 57:06
  at China, which he probably doesn't even get to see him,
• 57:09
  but they look at him, oh, yes, yes, we will do, oh, yes, yes,
• 57:12
  we're going to do that. No more coal, no more coal.
• 57:15
  And then they approve 58 coal plants for the next,
• 57:17
  you know, every... They build a coal plant a week.
• 57:20
  They build a lot of coal plants. But let me
• 57:22
  just say, though, so here we are cleaning and scrubbing
• 57:25
  everything and everything's got to... And the air's got to
• 57:27
  be pure. But in 3.8 days... That stuff floating over
• 57:33
  China is right over the top of us.
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: Same thing with the oceans. They dump their garbage into
• 57:39
  the Pacific Ocean. If you take a little cork and
• 57:43
  put it there, in about a week and a half,
• 57:45
  it'll be in front of Los Angeles. We're picking up
• 57:49
  their garbage. So nobody ever talks about that. But in
• 57:53
  a way, the bigger one is even the air. It's
• 57:56
  the currents. It's an amazing thing. It's been... Flowing that
• 57:59
  way for a million years or long before. We share
• 58:02
  air with the whole world. No.
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: We get the Sahara dust clouds over here.
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: We get dust clouds in Austin from the Sahara Desert.
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: But we get the China, you know, they call it
• 58:13
  the China curse. We get the China curse. They're bad
• 58:17
  and their air is dirty. You know, when I went there,
• 58:20
  I had a great relationship with President Xi. We got
• 58:23
  along very well. And they treated me better than anybody's
• 58:26
  ever been treated. Same thing with Saudi Arabia, a number
• 58:29
  of them. But they laid it out. And I said,
• 58:33
  this air is good. Do you know they closed every
• 58:36
  factory one week before I got there from within 200 miles.
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: That's like what Gavin Newsom did when Xi Jinping came
• 58:43
  to San Francisco.
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: He cleaned it up. He cleaned it up.
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: He got rid of all the homeless people.
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: Isn't that terrible in a way to think? He cleaned
• 58:49
  it up and then it became a pigsty.
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: Well, the dumbest thing is he said when your friends
• 58:53
  come by, when you have visitors, you clean up your house.
• 58:56
  Like how about just keep your fucking house clean?
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: Can you imagine?
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard anybody say ever
• 59:01
  as a governor as to excuse to why you finally
• 59:04
  cleaned up your homeless problem.
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: And the day he left … Right back It went
• 59:08
  right back. Yeah. But in a way, that was a
• 59:11
  bad thing that he did because he showed what a
• 59:14
  disgrace that was. What a disgrace.
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: Well, this is the thing that like shows you how
• 59:19
  foolish a lot of these people that are running these
• 59:21
  cities think. A lot of these people that are running
• 59:23
  these states think. It's foolish. Like you– You're insulting the
• 59:27
  intelligence of the people that live in that city that
• 59:29
  are impacted by these people just camping and needles and
• 59:34
  human feces. There's an app that you can buy. There's
• 59:38
  an app that you can get rather that will show
• 59:40
  you where the human feces has been documented in San Francisco.
• 59:44
  It's a poo app and it's just everywhere. It's just
• 59:47
  bum crap everywhere.
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: But let me give you one that you may not know,
• 59:51
  which I think you know everything actually. As a student
• 59:55
  of yours. But water. You know in Los Angeles you
• 1:00:01
  can't get proper amounts of water.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: And it's unbelievably expensive. And you might have a house
• 1:00:06
  in Beverly Hills and they're actually thinking about rationing water.
• 1:00:09
  Can you believe it? I can believe it. And I
• 1:00:12
  was in the farm court country with some of the congressmen.
• 1:00:15
  We're driving up a highway. And I say, how come
• 1:00:18
  all this land is so barren? It's farmland and it
• 1:00:24
  looked terrible. It was just brown and bad. I said,
• 1:00:27
  but there's always that little corner that's so green and beautiful.
• 1:00:32
  They said, we have no water. I said, do you
• 1:00:35
  have a drought? No, we don't have a drought. I said,
• 1:00:37
  why don't you have no water? Because the water isn't
• 1:00:40
  allowed to flow down. It's got a natural flow from
• 1:00:42
  Canada all the way up north. More water than they
• 1:00:45
  could ever use. And in order to protect a tiny
• 1:00:49
  little fish, the water up North gets routed into the
• 1:00:54
  Pacific Ocean. Millions and millions of gallons of water gets poured.
• 1:00:58
  You got to see this. We're driving up and I
• 1:01:01
  had never seen it before. It's the most it's like Iowa.
• 1:01:04
  It's the most fertile land. I was blessed with great land.
• 1:01:07
  Idaho for a potato. Right. But these they're just by
• 1:01:11
  the way, you know, some land is good for a potato.
• 1:01:13
  Some land is good for corn. It's the craziest thing.
• 1:01:15
  I love the farmers. They're great. They're the greatest. And
• 1:01:18
  by the way, they're getting killed right now.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: They are.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: They're getting killed because of this stupid administration. But so
• 1:01:23
  I see this and I said, you've got to be kidding.
• 1:01:26
  I said, you mean you have water? And I looked
• 1:01:29
  at it. It's like a valve in your sink, except
• 1:01:31
  it's massive. The thing's five times taller than your ceiling.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: Did you know the center of California was a giant lake?
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: They have so much water.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: You ever see what it looks like before they rerouted it?
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: No, I never saw that.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: The center of California, like, what is it, 200 years ago?
• 1:01:45
  How long ago did they do that, Jamie? The center
• 1:01:47
  of California had a fucking enormous lake in the middle
• 1:01:51
  of California.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: So they dumped it into the Pacific.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: Who knows what they did. But whatever foolishness that they
• 1:01:57
  did led to the situation that they're in now.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: Think of those dry forests that burned down all over.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: You know, the head of Austria said, you know— Tulare
• 1:02:13
  Lake was one of the largest freshwater lakes west of Mississippi.
• 1:02:16
  Show a photo of what it looked like back then.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: That's a great system.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: So that's what it looked like. Look at that image.
• 1:02:23
  Go to the one on the third from the right.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: That was an enormous lake in the middle of California.
• 1:02:28
  Imagine that.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: That would be much more valuable property. How crazy is that?
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: But how crazy is that? That's what it used to
• 1:02:33
  look like. And human beings screwed that up.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: No, they let it go into the Pacific and then
• 1:02:37
  they did something.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: I don't know what they did. What did they do?
• 1:02:39
  How did it go missing? It said they drained it
• 1:02:40
  in the 80s.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they drained it. 19? 1983.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. It went dry a handful of times. Oh,
• 1:02:50
  went dry a handful of times. Well, you know, lakes
• 1:02:54
  do go dry, but that's a big one.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: But think of it. It's a big one to go dry.
• 1:02:56
  You could have all of the water you need. All
• 1:03:00
  of that land would have more water. The whole thing
• 1:03:02
  could be like that little patch. Literally, I'd say, I
• 1:03:05
  was with Devin Noon as a congressman and other congressmen.
• 1:03:08
  We were going up. I was visiting that because... They
• 1:03:10
  asked me to go up and visit their territory, and
• 1:03:13
  I did. But I kept saying, look at this land.
• 1:03:15
  It's beautiful, but it's so dry. And I thought they
• 1:03:18
  were going through like a desert, like a drought. They said, no,
• 1:03:20
  we have water, but it gets real. So I looked
• 1:03:22
  into it. What is the fish? And I got it done.
• 1:03:25
  I got it done. I could have water for all
• 1:03:28
  of that land, water for your forests. You know, your
• 1:03:31
  forests are dry as a bone. Yeah. Okay?
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: Dangerous.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: That water could be routed. You know, you could have everything.
• 1:03:37
  Not only dangerous, billions of dollars a year they spend
• 1:03:40
  on Forest fires. And, you know, there's a case with
• 1:03:43
  the environment. They're not allowed to rake their forest because
• 1:03:47
  you're not allowed to touch it. When a tree falls down,
• 1:03:49
  after 18 months, it becomes very dry. It's like, you know,
• 1:03:52
  like real firewood. It's bad. You know, a tree that's up.
• 1:03:56
  These are all things I learned the hard way, the
• 1:03:59
  easy way. But when a tree is up, it sucks water.
• 1:04:02
  It's wet. I went to that. They had a couple
• 1:04:05
  of horrible forest fires in California, and I went. I said,
• 1:04:08
  you know, you had a lot of trees standing. Yes,
• 1:04:09
  they were healthy trees, sir. I said, with this intense heat,
• 1:04:13
  you could see they were charred a little bit on
• 1:04:15
  the bottom, but they were going to be all right
• 1:04:16
  because they're soaking wet because they suck up the water, right?
• 1:04:19
  But when they fall, they're like, you know, it's like
• 1:04:22
  lighting a match. Yeah. And you've got to be able
• 1:04:25
  to clean. They call it maintain your forest. So I
• 1:04:27
  was with the head of Austria. He said, you know,
• 1:04:30
  it's a shame. I see all those forest fires in California,
• 1:04:33
  and all they have to do is clean their forest,
• 1:04:35
  meaning rake it up. Get rid of the leaves. Get
• 1:04:38
  rid of leaves that are sitting there for five years.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: Well, certainly get rid of the dead fall.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: And get rid of the trees that have fallen. So
• 1:04:49
  many things. By the way, I had it all done.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: Could you rake the whole forest, though? I don't think
• 1:04:53
  you could rake the whole forest. I think you can
• 1:04:54
  get rid of the dead fall, but raking all the leaves.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: You could certainly get rid of the dead, okay? Yeah,
• 1:04:58
  I think that's the real issue, the dead fall. You know, environmentally,
• 1:05:00
  they don't want to do that. They said, you know,
• 1:05:02
  it's got to be nature and all this stuff. But
• 1:05:04
  in the meantime, this is exactly right. But you could have.
• 1:05:08
  So it was the Department of Commerce that needed the approvals.
• 1:05:12
  But Gavin Newsom had to sign them. I got it
• 1:05:15
  all done. Nobody could believe it. It was all done.
• 1:05:18
  I said, I got it. You got so much water.
• 1:05:22
  All you have to do is sign. And that guy
• 1:05:26
  didn't want to sign.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: Did he not want to sign because that would be
• 1:05:29
  a political victory for you?
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: I think no. He didn't. No, I don't think so.
• 1:05:32
  You know, he used to say. He's a great president.
• 1:05:35
  And we got along. We did. We actually got along
• 1:05:38
  at that point. But I think somebody said you just
• 1:05:41
  can't continue to call him a great president. You know,
• 1:05:43
  they do say that. But we had it all done.
• 1:05:46
  He didn't sign. And then we got on to other things.
• 1:05:50
  And every time I go to California, you have so
• 1:05:53
  much water. They don't know it. I'm telling you, people
• 1:05:57
  living in Beverly Hills, they turn off the water. Same
• 1:05:59
  thing with the electric. They want to go to all
• 1:06:01
  electric cars, but they have brownouts every weekend, you know.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: Well, right after they made the announcement that as of 2035,
• 1:06:06
  you're not going to be able to buy an internal
• 1:06:09
  combustion engine in California. Like within a month, they had
• 1:06:12
  some announcement asking people to not charge their Teslas. Because
• 1:06:17
  the grid couldn't handle it.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: I will terminate the mandate immediately. That will be done
• 1:06:23
  I would say in my first day, maybe two days because.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: Let me ask you about nuclear. One of the things
• 1:06:29
  that when I've talked to people that have a real
• 1:06:32
  understanding of nuclear power, what their position is it's probably
• 1:06:36
  the cleanest, safest form of electricity that we could generate
• 1:06:40
  and that the fears of nuclear power are really about
• 1:06:45
  a few disasters, the Fukushima, Three Mile Island. These are
• 1:06:51
  old systems and they're much more capable now and they're
• 1:06:55
  capable of making even better systems. But It's a difficult
• 1:06:58
  political issue because you think nuclear power, you think Chernobyl.
• 1:07:03
  That's what everybody does. They have this connection. They have
• 1:07:05
  the potential disaster.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: Or Fukushima. Or Fukushima. Where you're not supposed to enter
• 1:07:08
  the land for 3,000 years or something. It's crazy.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: I think it's worse than that. I think that area
• 1:07:13
  is like going to be radioactive for probably longer than
• 1:07:16
  you could imagine. But the point is they're better at
• 1:07:19
  it now.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: And that they could do it now and you can
• 1:07:22
  generate power in a way that you don't have to
• 1:07:25
  worry about these– one of the most– ridiculous things is
• 1:07:27
  electric cars being powered by coal-fired plants. It's a ridiculous thing.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: So it's happening. Yeah, it is what's happening.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: And people want to think they're being green.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: Well, you look at the way the battery is made.
• 1:07:39
  But here's the other thing. We don't have– well, we
• 1:07:42
  do actually. It's being held. We have certain areas where
• 1:07:45
  we have great raw earth material and we're not allowed
• 1:07:48
  to use it because of the environment. And we have
• 1:07:50
  areas in California that have incredible raw earth material. And
• 1:07:54
  they're not allowing– and I'm going to open it up.
• 1:07:56
  I'm going to let them use it.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: But how do you do that? China– How do you
• 1:07:59
  do that and protect the environment?
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: Because the environment is going to be protected. You can
• 1:08:03
  do it. You can make a lake out of it. OK.
• 1:08:05
  We'll put back a lake. I mean something nice about lakes.
• 1:08:08
  You can do things magnificently.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: You just have to do it carefully and responsibly.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. You have to do it carefully. But the problem–
• 1:08:16
  China has all of those areas, most of those areas.
• 1:08:20
  And yet when they say go electric with the cars–
• 1:08:24
  China is going to be the one that gives us
• 1:08:25
  the cars. All of those guys in Detroit are going
• 1:08:27
  to be out of business. You're going to make your
• 1:08:29
  electric cars over there. We have a thing called gasoline.
• 1:08:32
  And we have more oil and gas under our feet
• 1:08:35
  than any other nation. You know, I had in Alaska,
• 1:08:39
  there's a find. It's called ANWR. I got it approved.
• 1:08:42
  Reagan couldn't get it. Nobody could get it. I got
• 1:08:44
  it all done. It was amazing. They were getting ready
• 1:08:48
  to start drilling. The equivalent, they think, of Saudi Arabia,
• 1:08:52
  one of the biggest finds in the world. It was
• 1:08:54
  all set to go. And Biden comes in. One of
• 1:08:57
  his first orders were, we're not going to use it.
• 1:09:00
  It would have been so good for the— we could have
• 1:09:02
  supplied all of Asia with oil and gas.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: What was the negative of it?
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: Right. The negative was politically they didn't think it was
• 1:09:10
  good for them. That's all. That's all it was.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: So you don't think that it's environmentally dangerous?
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: Taking it from way down deep in the earth, environmentally
• 1:09:17
  it would have been fine.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: So it can be done responsibly?
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: Oh, otherwise– The point where it protects the environment.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: Well, I think windmills– OK. So they talk about windmills.
• 1:09:25
  That's a good point. I think windmills are really disruptive.
• 1:09:28
  When you talk about the environment, they kill the birds.
• 1:09:31
  You want to see a bird cemetery? Go under a
• 1:09:33
  windmill someday that hasn't been cleaned out. With all the
• 1:09:37
  bird carcasses. It's like massive amounts of birds.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: Well, they're also a massive eyesore. I went to a
• 1:09:43
  ranch in South Texas. We had a drive past this
• 1:09:46
  enormous windmill farm.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: It's gross. It's dystopian. You're looking in the left and
• 1:09:51
  the right and all you.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: See is these big spinning machines that aren't even that
• 1:09:55
  effective at generating electricity.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: Most expensive form of electricity is a windmill. And then
• 1:10:01
  they start to rust and rot. And then they get
• 1:10:03
  abandoned by the people that built them.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: Well, you have to get rid of all that material, too.
• 1:10:08
  When you replace those blades, now you have a problem
• 1:10:10
  because you have to dispose.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: You have to dispose these enormous windmills.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: By the way, they say you can't bury them. So
• 1:10:18
  I even question that, but I'm not going to get
• 1:10:19
  into it. But they say you can't bury the blades.
• 1:10:22
  So you have the blades and you can't bury the blades.
• 1:10:24
  You can bury the blades. It's not going to matter.
• 1:10:26
  You'll find areas you can bury. But they come up.
• 1:10:29
  This is what I mean. They come up with this,
• 1:10:30
  but The environmentalist dream is windmills. You know what happens
• 1:10:35
  to them? After five years, they start to rot. After
• 1:10:37
  10 years, you have to replace them. Did you ever
• 1:10:40
  look at certain parts of California where they have heavy
• 1:10:42
  windmills and they've been abandoned? And they're all different manufacturers
• 1:10:46
  in all different companies. I haven't seen that. It is
• 1:10:49
  the ugliest thing. It looks like a graveyard almost, a
• 1:10:52
  graveyard of windmills.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: It's pollution.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: It's so bad. And in the oceans.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: It's no different than leaving garbage on the ground.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: How about in New Jersey? Off the coast of New Jersey,
• 1:11:02
  they want to build. The people are going crazy not
• 1:11:05
  to build them. But we have them. The whales are
• 1:11:08
  washing up on shore. So in 50 years, they had
• 1:11:11
  one whale come ashore. Now they had like 18 come
• 1:11:14
  in the last year.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: What is happening with the whales? I've read about this.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: Well, they say that the wind drives them crazy. You know,
• 1:11:21
  it's a vibration because you have those– you know, those
• 1:11:23
  things are 50-story buildings, some of them.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: Right. And they're super sensitive to vibrations and sounds.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: You know, the wind is rushing. The things are blowing.
• 1:11:31
  It's a vibration and it makes noise. You know what
• 1:11:34
  it is? I want to be a whale psychiatrist. It
• 1:11:37
  drives the whales freaking crazy. Yes. And something happens with them.
• 1:11:42
  But for whatever reason, they're getting washed up on shore.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: And, you know, and yet the environmentalists– Conveniently ignored by
• 1:11:48
  the environmental people.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but the environmentalists, they don't talk about it. I
• 1:11:51
  think there's nothing uglier. I see it in Scotland. I
• 1:11:53
  see it all over the world. You have this beautiful valley.
• 1:11:57
  It's been there for, you know, in civilization thousands of
• 1:12:00
  years but millions of years. And all of a sudden
• 1:12:03
  you have these ugly windmills up.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: Would your plan to replace that with nuclear?
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: What would you do? Well, nuclear is better. I mean
• 1:12:09
  I think there's a little danger to nuclear. But, you know,
• 1:12:11
  we had some really bad nuclear. They did one in Alabama.
• 1:12:15
  They did one in I think South Carolina. They do
• 1:12:19
  them wrong. They build these massive things. Then the environmentalists
• 1:12:23
  get in. I don't want to go into a long
• 1:12:26
  story because it's too long for the show. This show
• 1:12:28
  is too valuable to talk about concrete. But they have
• 1:12:31
  hardened concrete. It's number 12 concrete. It's harder than steel.
• 1:12:34
  It's incredible. They put up a wall and an inspector
• 1:12:37
  comes along and goes, nope, nope, you're a quarter of
• 1:12:39
  an inch. The wall might be eight feet wide. You're
• 1:12:43
  a quarter of an inch too short. I'm sorry. You've
• 1:12:45
  got to rip down the wall because it's got to
• 1:12:47
  be poured contiguously, right? You're one quarter of an inch.
• 1:12:51
  I'm sorry. Rip down. You can't rip it down. This stuff,
• 1:12:53
  you can't put a hammer through it. You can't. It's incredible.
• 1:12:57
  Concrete technology is unbelievable. You know what's happened. You think
• 1:13:01
  of concrete.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: So you think that's an example of overregulation.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: Pointless overregulation. Well, you have an inspector that comes along
• 1:13:06
  and he says take down a $ 25 zillion wall. These
• 1:13:10
  things ended up costing $ 25 billion. And one of them
• 1:13:14
  never got opened. But here's the story. So France does it.
• 1:13:18
  France is largely nuclear, and they build small, little, compact plants.
• 1:13:24
  And if they need more, they build the same thing,
• 1:13:26
  and they hook it up, and they hook it up,
• 1:13:28
  because they get too big and too complex and too expensive.
• 1:13:32
  And it is very clean. They say it's absolute. You know,
• 1:13:37
  my uncle, I had a great uncle who was a
• 1:13:39
  great genius, just like other members of my family. But
• 1:13:44
  he was a professor at MIT. for, I think, 41 years.
• 1:13:49
  He was the longest-serving. When I was in the White House,
• 1:13:52
  the head of MIT, Princeton, and Harvard came down to
• 1:13:54
  meet me. And the MIT person said, I have a
• 1:13:58
  book on your uncle, Dr. John Trump. He was our
• 1:14:00
  longest-serving professor. He was a great genius, sir. Do you
• 1:14:03
  know how? And he knew everything about nuclear, from math
• 1:14:08
  to chemistry to nuclear. He knew it. And he said,
• 1:14:12
  someday it's going to be the way to go, but
• 1:14:14
  the problem is it's so dangerous in terms of war
• 1:14:17
  He said Donald someday– this was a long time– Uncle John, Dr.
• 1:14:23
  John Trump. He said someday you'll have a little satchel
• 1:14:28
  at your side and you'll go into a building and
• 1:14:30
  you'll be able to blow up New York City. I said,
• 1:14:33
  Uncle John, that will never happen. He's right. He's right. Well,
• 1:14:36
  that was part of the problem with.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: Giving nuclear power to other countries, right? Like that was
• 1:14:41
  the problem that happened with India and Pakistan. They got
• 1:14:44
  nuclear power and then they were able to weaponize it.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: The biggest problem in the world today is not global warming.
• 1:14:51
  It's nuclear warming. And we have idiots that are negotiating
• 1:14:55
  for us. We have a guy that doesn't make it
• 1:14:58
  past 4 o'clock. And it's not because of age. You know,
• 1:15:01
  I know so many guys in their late 80s and
• 1:15:03
  they're better than them. I said to one guy, I
• 1:15:05
  think you're smarter than you were 25 years ago. I've
• 1:15:07
  known him a long time. He's 89 years old. He's sharp.
• 1:15:11
  I mean, he's great. Biden gives people a bad name
• 1:15:15
  because that's not an old– that's not an age. I
• 1:15:18
  think they say it because I'm three or four years younger.
• 1:15:20
  I think that's why they say it. They say his age.
• 1:15:22
  It's not his age. He's got a problem.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: He's had two major brain surgeries.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: He did. He did. Those are not good operations. Do
• 1:15:30
  you see what he did today?
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: He went running towards the camera and made some apology
• 1:15:35
  to Native Americans and he said that's why he's headed
• 1:15:38
  out west. Like he's off the reservation so to speak.
• 1:15:42
  For lack of a better term.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting because during the debate, I was
• 1:15:48
  looking over. I'm saying, hmm, this is strange. It's just
• 1:15:51
  sort of like strange things were happening. Yeah. Well, he
• 1:15:54
  couldn't keep it together.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: But do you think they knew he couldn't keep it together?
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: I think so.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: Do you think that they wanted– is that why like
• 1:15:59
  historically that debate was earlier than they've been in the past, right?
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: I think they wanted to– well, there's a lot of theories.
• 1:16:06
  A lot of people said do the debate now and
• 1:16:08
  we'll get him out.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: I think that maybe could be.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: Well, that is what happened.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: So it's logical to assume that that's the one. I
• 1:16:14
  think they also said do the debate now and get
• 1:16:16
  it over with. Right. I don't think anybody thought he
• 1:16:19
  was going to get out really. That didn't make any sense.
• 1:16:22
  The debate got him out. But I think it's very unfair. Look,
• 1:16:26
  you have a bad debate. His numbers went down. But
• 1:16:29
  I think she's not doing very well right now.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: And I think she looks– Well, I want to get
• 1:16:34
  to that too because it's hard to know. Like the
• 1:16:36
  whole poll thing is very bizarre for most people because
• 1:16:39
  most people don't answer polls. So they read the polls.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: Were you ever called from a poll? If I did,
• 1:16:44
  I'd hang up. I was never called by a poll system.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: If I did, I wouldn't answer.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: I'm busy. You know how polls are done? Oh, I'm
• 1:16:49
  going to get myself in trouble. So I really don't
• 1:16:52
  believe too much in them.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: Well, 2016 taught a lot of people about the ineffective
• 1:16:57
  use of polls.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: Well, they were very ineffective because I thought I was
• 1:16:59
  doing well. I'd go to a place and I'd have– 30,000, 40,000 people.
• 1:17:03
  Hillary would go. They have 500 people. And they tell
• 1:17:05
  me I'm going to lose. I said, why am I
• 1:17:07
  going to lose? I had 40,000 people. She had 200 people. But,
• 1:17:10
  you know, I have a theory. These pollsters, they charge
• 1:17:12
  you a lot of money too. You know, they charge
• 1:17:14
  you half a million bucks to do some stupid poll
• 1:17:16
  and they interview like 251 people. I don't think they
• 1:17:20
  interview in many cases. I don't want to get myself
• 1:17:22
  in too much trouble. You think it's bullshit? No, I
• 1:17:24
  think they sit there. They make a deal. They get
• 1:17:26
  a half a million bucks and they're safe. Trump's leading
• 1:17:29
  51 to 49. They announce it and everybody says, oh.
• 1:17:32
  Do you understand? Yeah. I don't think they– I think
• 1:17:36
  in a lot– look, I'm a very common sense person.
• 1:17:40
  I think that they probably don't always poll. Some of
• 1:17:44
  them probably never poll. What's the difference between 49 to
• 1:17:48
  51 and 47 and a half.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: Well, it's also a tiny percentage of the population. I
• 1:17:55
  don't think it's representative of the overall population. I just
• 1:17:58
  don't think it is.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: I don't know of one person in my whole life
• 1:18:01
  that ever got called by a pollster.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 2: Exactly. That's my point. So here's my question.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: But I shouldn't say that because I'm doing really well
• 1:18:09
  in the polls now. But I think that's– So this
• 1:18:11
  week I happen to believe in a– I only believe
• 1:18:13
  if they're good. No. I like them this month. But no,
• 1:18:18
  I honestly believe that there's probably a lot of fraud.
• 1:18:20
  I had a poll, Washington Post, ABC, in the Hillary thing,
• 1:18:24
  on Wisconsin. They had me down 17 points the day
• 1:18:27
  before the election. I knew it was wrong because I
• 1:18:30
  had a rally. I had 29,000 people at a racetrack,
• 1:18:33
  and it was like zero degrees, Wisconsin. And they had
• 1:18:36
  me down 17 points. In other words, you had no chance.
• 1:18:40
  And I won. And I called up my pollster, who's
• 1:18:43
  a good guy, good guy, and I believe he's legitimate.
• 1:18:47
  And some of them are, and some of them aren't.
• 1:18:49
  I said, tell me. me, why did they have me
• 1:18:51
  down so much? I mean nobody is going to believe
• 1:18:54
  them the next time. They said they don't care. When
• 1:18:57
  you're down 17 points, people are going to stay home.
• 1:18:59
  They're not going to vote. Because they're going to say,
• 1:19:02
  I love Trump, but I'm not going to waste my time.
• 1:19:03
  It's cold out. I said, but what do they make
• 1:19:06
  at four or five? He said, at four or five,
• 1:19:08
  they're going to go and vote. At 17, they're not
• 1:19:11
  going to go. So think of it. I was seven.
• 1:19:12
  This is a Washington Post ABC poll. I was down
• 1:19:15
  17 points in Wisconsin and I won. It's crooked stuff.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of crooked stuff. And I wanted to
• 1:19:22
  talk about that, too, because one of the things that
• 1:19:25
  people talk about with you is the denial of the results.
• 1:19:30
  And I think J.D. Vance did a brilliant job the
• 1:19:32
  other day when he was being interviewed and they asked him,
• 1:19:35
  did Trump lose the 2020 election? And he turned it
• 1:19:38
  around and said, was there legitimate election interference in suppressing
• 1:19:44
  the Hunter Biden laptop story on social media? And was
• 1:19:48
  that a concerted effort?
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: Well, they say it made a 10-point difference and I
• 1:19:52
  lost by one-tenth of a point. They say it was 22,000 votes.
• 1:19:58
  But look, it was much more than that. And I
• 1:20:01
  appreciate Jay Devin saying that. And by the way, I
• 1:20:03
  think he was a great pick. Do you like J.D.
• 1:20:06
  as a kid? I like him a lot. You're allowed
• 1:20:07
  to say that.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: No, I do.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: I like him a lot.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 2: I think he's a brilliant guy and I think his
• 1:20:12
  ability to talk like a normal human being. You did
• 1:20:15
  my friend Theo Vaughn's podcast and he just did it.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: How did he do with it?
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: He did great. He just talks like a normal human being.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: Is that why you called me to do this? No, no.
• 1:20:24
  He was a nice guy.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: Once they shot you, I was like, he's got to
• 1:20:28
  come in here. It's all about timing. It's all about
• 1:20:30
  the timing.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: Timing's good.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: I think our timing's perfect.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: Do you even have a scar on your ear?
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 2: You got anything on there?
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: I do. What did we say? So, right over here. Oh,
• 1:20:39
  it's a tiny little mark. It zicked right there.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: It healed up pretty fucking good.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty good. Yeah, it's little. It's not like
• 1:20:48
  some of the wrestlers, some of the UFC fighters.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 2: No, you didn't get cauliflower here.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: No, no. It was sort of like a top shot.
• 1:20:55
  The point of the bullet was all over the ass.
• 1:20:57
  But you see the. The things take it off a
• 1:20:59
  little bit, but it makes me a tougher guy. You know,
• 1:21:05
  the fighters love their— you know Bo Nickel? He's a great fighter. Yeah,
• 1:21:08
  I love Bo Nickel. How's he going to do? I
• 1:21:09
  think he's terrific.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 2: He's great. He's a fantastic fighter.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: He was almost like undefeated in college.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a fantastic wrestler and one of the best
• 1:21:15
  mixed martial artists.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: When is he fighting again?
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: He's fighting in Madison Square Garden in November.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's going to be after the election? Yep. So
• 1:21:23
  I'll either go as president or I'll be depressed and
• 1:21:26
  I won't bother going. I really— Yeah, I think they're
• 1:21:29
  having a fight right now.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: One of the things that was fascinating also was the
• 1:21:33
  denial of the election results is a pretty common thing.
• 1:21:36
  Hillary Clinton famously denied that she called you an illegitimate
• 1:21:40
  president and she said that Russia put you in place.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: Even though she conceded. Yes. You know, she conceded the
• 1:21:45
  night of the election because she was beaten.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: Yes, and it was a thing that was pretty common
• 1:21:50
  for people, especially Democrats, to deny the elections. There's been
• 1:21:55
  many of them, the Bush administration, the dangling chads, all
• 1:22:00
  that stuff.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: Well, look at these guys in Congress, all these sleazebags
• 1:22:03
  in Congress that are Democrats. They're still denying 2016. But
• 1:22:07
  now they don't so much because they try and pin
• 1:22:10
  it on me. You don't hear them say– But here's
• 1:22:12
  my point. But they denied it right up until the end.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: My point is– This idea of election fraud is a
• 1:22:17
  forbidden topic, and you get labeled an election denier. It's
• 1:22:21
  like being labeled an anti-vaxxer if you question some of
• 1:22:24
  the health consequences that people have had from the COVID-19 shots. Oh,
• 1:22:28
  my god. You're an anti-vaxxer. If you say– and what
• 1:22:32
  I say publicly, and I've said this a lot, it's
• 1:22:35
  not 0%. So if you ask me what is the
• 1:22:38
  amount of election fraud in this country– Is it zero percent?
• 1:22:41
  No one thinks it's zero percent. I've never met one person,
• 1:22:45
  not a super liberal, progressive, far left person or a
• 1:22:50
  right wing conservative. Not one person thinks it's zero percent.
• 1:22:53
  They think when you have human beings and also you
• 1:22:56
  have a lot of weirdness that was going on during
• 1:22:59
  the 2020 elections, particularly with mail in ballots.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: And you had legislatures that had to approve and they
• 1:23:06
  didn't approve and they went out and did it anyway.
• 1:23:09
  And you had ballot– you had old-fashioned ballot screwing. I
• 1:23:12
  mean you had– you have people going up and dropping
• 1:23:16
  in phony votes. You had unsigned ballots, et cetera, et cetera.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: There are certain people that think that they have– and
• 1:23:21
  the rhetoric is also that you're Hitler and that in
• 1:23:24
  order to stop Hitler, you have to do whatever it takes.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: That was OK, yeah.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is– I mean you're hearing this now.
• 1:23:30
  Kamala compared you to– said your love of Hitler yesterday.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: Kamala is a very low IQ person. She's a very
• 1:23:37
  low IQ person. You know, I'm for taking tests too.
• 1:23:41
  I think anybody that runs for president should take– they
• 1:23:43
  should give them tests. And it's not an age thing.
• 1:23:45
  It's not based– if you look back on history, 70s
• 1:23:48
  and 80s, some of your greatest leaders in the world,
• 1:23:51
  world history, longtime world history, they were in their 70s
• 1:23:55
  and their 80s. But I think you should take cognitive tests.
• 1:23:59
  I think everybody– they say it's unconstitutional. That's ridiculous. I
• 1:24:03
  think Kamala should have a test because there's something missing.
• 1:24:06
  There's something wrong with her.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: Well, I think it's pressure. I think the pressure and
• 1:24:09
  the scrutiny– you've been a celebrity for a long time
• 1:24:12
  and you understand what this is like. But for someone
• 1:24:14
  who's in her late 40s who becomes the vice president,
• 1:24:17
  who runs for president, becomes the vice president, and then
• 1:24:20
  all of a sudden the weight of the world is
• 1:24:22
  on your shoulders and there's all these people paying– a
• 1:24:24
  lot of people clam up.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: But you either have it or you don't.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: Correct.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: Look, this is an interview. We've covered a lot of territory, right?
• 1:24:32
  And it's fine. I don't care. I want to. I
• 1:24:35
  think it's much more interesting. She– to do an interview
• 1:24:39
  with Anderson Cooper, a softball, crazy softball interview. She took
• 1:24:46
  two days off, and she studied and studied all day long,
• 1:24:49
  and then she comes out with a result that was
• 1:24:50
  a real embarrassment. That was a really bad interview. She
• 1:24:53
  couldn't answer a question, and every question is not answered.
• 1:24:57
  I mean, like, what would you do your first day
• 1:24:59
  in office? Okay, I'll build a wall. I won't build
• 1:25:02
  a wall. There's a hundred things you can say. Just
• 1:25:04
  say anything, right? There's something off with her. Well, I
• 1:25:09
  also think— We're dealing with the smartest people. They hate
• 1:25:12
  when I say— you know, when the press— when I called President Xi,
• 1:25:14
  they said, he called President Xi brilliant. Well, he's a
• 1:25:17
  brilliant guy. He controls 1.4 billion people with an iron fist.
• 1:25:20
  I mean, he's a brilliant guy, whether you like it
• 1:25:22
  or not. And they go crazy. Right.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 2: It doesn't mean he's not evil or it doesn't mean
• 1:25:27
  he's not dangerous. Yeah, of course not.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: But actually, we have evil people in our country. Yes.
• 1:25:33
  If you have a smart president, he can deal with Russia.
• 1:25:35
  He can deal with all of it. I had a—
• 1:25:38
  Russia would have never gone into Ukraine if I were president.
• 1:25:41
  How would you have stopped it? Automatic. Two things. I
• 1:25:44
  told him. I said, Vladimir, you're not going in. I
• 1:25:47
  used to talk to him all the time. You're not
• 1:25:50
  going in. I can't tell you what I told him
• 1:25:53
  because I think it would be inappropriate. But someday he'll
• 1:25:56
  tell you. But he would have never gone in. But
• 1:25:57
  you know why else he wouldn't have gone in? Oil
• 1:25:59
  prices at $ 40 a barrel wouldn't have allowed him, wouldn't
• 1:26:03
  have given him the money to prosecute that war, wouldn't
• 1:26:06
  have given him the money. I said it with President—
• 1:26:09
  I was with President Xi. I said it was almost
• 1:26:11
  the same conversation. With Vladimir, it was Moscow. With President Xi,
• 1:26:18
  it was Beijing. It was almost the exact same conversation.
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  I said, don't do it. He would have never done it.
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  The day I left, they flew 28 bombers over the
• 1:26:28
  middle of Taiwan— 28 bombers. And it's the apple of
• 1:26:33
  his eye. And the same thing with Russia. It's the apple.
• 1:26:36
  Ukraine is the apple of his eye. I used to
• 1:26:38
  talk to him. I had a very good relationship with him.
• 1:26:41
  He wouldn't have done it. He would have never done it.
• 1:26:43
  But he also wouldn't have done it because of the.
• 1:26:46
  You know, one of the reasons that what happened is,
• 1:26:48
  number one, he doesn't respect Biden at all. Not even
• 1:26:51
  a little bit. And who the hell would? But he
• 1:26:54
  doesn't respect him. But when he saw what happened in Afghanistan,
• 1:26:57
  how horribly that was handled. Number one, you take the
• 1:27:01
  soldiers out last, not first. OK, that was a big mistake.
• 1:27:04
  And we had that thing charted out. And they weren't
• 1:27:06
  obeying us. They weren't. Abdul is the head of the Taliban. Boom, boom.
• 1:27:11
  He had to do all these things. Some he didn't do.
• 1:27:14
  I said, nope, you got to do them all. This
• 1:27:17
  guy took, he immediately took all, he left the equipment behind.
• 1:27:21
  13 soldiers dead, but he took everybody out. He took
• 1:27:25
  his soldiers out before. A child would know. That's where
• 1:27:29
  Milley was so stupid. He was such a stupid guy, Milley. Okay.
• 1:27:33
  Those generals should have all been fired. The people that
• 1:27:37
  were involved with Afghanistan should have all been fired. Then
• 1:27:41
  they'd be writing books about him, how stupid he was
• 1:27:43
  and bad he was. But you take your soldiers out last.
• 1:27:48
  I had a big rally and I saw a child
• 1:27:51
  in the front row about a year and a half ago.
• 1:27:54
  And I called the child up. I said, do you
• 1:27:56
  mind if I borrow your child? Oh, yes, please. And
• 1:27:59
  they came up. I gave him quick details. I said,
• 1:28:02
  we want to get out of this place. And we
• 1:28:05
  have this and we have this and we have the equipment.
• 1:28:07
  I gave him a little thing. I said, do you
• 1:28:08
  take your soldiers out first or last after everything's done?
• 1:28:13
  You take them out last, sir. A child would know that.
• 1:28:17
  We took our soldiers out first. What was your plan?
• 1:28:20
  And we left a bag room.
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  Speaker 2: Well, not only that. We left billions of dollars worth
• 1:28:25
  of equipment and military vehicles that they use for parades now.
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: The best equipment– yeah, to embarrass us. The best equipment
• 1:28:32
  in the world.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 2: The Taliban parade where they've got tanks rolling down the
• 1:28:36
  streets and Blackhawks flying is the craziest thing I've ever seen.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: The fact that we left all that stuff there. We
• 1:28:40
  left the best equipment in the world behind.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 2: What would you have done differently?
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: Well, number one, we would have taken it out. Just
• 1:28:48
  so you go back a little bit further, I had
• 1:28:50
  a couple of conversations with Abdul. And from the time
• 1:28:54
  I had those conversations– because they were shooting our soldiers
• 1:28:57
  with the sniper stuff. They were shooting a lot of them.
• 1:29:00
  They were shooting a lot with Obama, much less with me,
• 1:29:03
  but they were shooting them. And I said, get this
• 1:29:05
  guy on the phone. The press went nuts when they
• 1:29:08
  heard this. I had a great conversation with him. It
• 1:29:11
  was a tough conversation. 18 months later, there wasn't one
• 1:29:15
  soldier that was ever shot at. And even Biden admitted
• 1:29:18
  it in a moment of stupidity because he shouldn't admit it.
• 1:29:20
  His people went nuts. He said, yeah, well, I will
• 1:29:23
  admit no soldier. We didn't have a soldier killed in
• 1:29:26
  18 months in Obama. Afghanistan. Not one soldier was killed
• 1:29:31
  because he understood what was going to happen if that happened.
• 1:29:36
  I didn't have one soldier. Then when I left, after
• 1:29:39
  having gotten more votes than any sitting president in the
• 1:29:42
  history of the country and much more votes than he
• 1:29:44
  got in 2016, when I left, they started shooting our soldiers.
• 1:29:51
  But more importantly, what they did is They did that
• 1:29:54
  whole thing with, you know, leaving. He shouldn't have left.
• 1:29:57
  Number one, should have left from Bagram because Bagram is
• 1:30:00
  this massive base. It's got tremendous acreage around it. Tremendous.
• 1:30:04
  It's a very big. It was built many years ago.
• 1:30:07
  And part of the reason you wouldn't have taken that
• 1:30:09
  is because it goes to China. One hour from where
• 1:30:12
  China makes its nuclear missiles. You should have never left Bagram.
• 1:30:17
  Number one, they should have left from Bagram. They should
• 1:30:21
  have left last. They should have gotten– you know, we
• 1:30:23
  have Americans that are still there. They should have taken
• 1:30:26
  all their equipment out. Everything should– every plane, every screw
• 1:30:30
  should have been taken out, every tent. And I said that.
• 1:30:33
  That's when I realized that Milley was a dummy. I said,
• 1:30:36
  we're leaving, but I want to get everything out. Sir,
• 1:30:39
  it's cheaper to leave it. I said, what do you mean?
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: It's cheaper to leave it.
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he said it's cheaper to leave it. Cheaper. Cheaper.
• 1:30:45
  He said it's cheaper.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 2: Not more dangerous.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: He just said cheaper. I said, I want every plane.
• 1:30:51
  I want every tank. I want the goggles. They have
• 1:30:54
  night goggles. They have all this stuff that these guys
• 1:30:56
  now have. He said, sir, it's cheaper to get out
• 1:30:59
  and leave it. I said, so you think it's cheaper
• 1:31:02
  to leave a $ 150 million brand new airplane in there
• 1:31:06
  than it is to fly it out with a tank
• 1:31:08
  of jet fuel and put it in Pakistan or just
• 1:31:11
  fly it directly back? It's cheaper to leave. I said,
• 1:31:14
  this guy's nuts. I'm telling you, he was so stupid.
• 1:31:17
  He was so unwise. He was like an unwise man.
• 1:31:21
  And there were a number of them. But I defeated
• 1:31:24
  ISIS with the greatest generals. I had a guy who
• 1:31:27
  was so great. I flew to Iraq and I met
• 1:31:32
  the real generals, not these idiots that we deal with.
• 1:31:36
  And we knocked out, you know, I defeated 100% of
• 1:31:40
  the ISIS caliphate. They said it would take five years.
• 1:31:43
  I did it in a matter of a few, literally
• 1:31:46
  a few weeks. And we hit them hard. And he said, sir,
• 1:31:50
  we're going to hit them here. We're going to hit
• 1:31:51
  them there. We're going to hit them here, there. And
• 1:31:54
  I said, this guy's great. I like this guy. I
• 1:31:56
  was told it would take five years. That's why I went.
• 1:32:00
  I said, how could it take five years? We have
• 1:32:01
  brand new fighters. We have the best planes, the best weapons,
• 1:32:04
  the best guns, the best bombs. How could it possibly
• 1:32:07
  take that long? And I flew to So I flew
• 1:32:12
  and left at 3 o'clock in the morning. Nobody knew
• 1:32:15
  I was going. I got on Air Force One and
• 1:32:17
  we started flying. And when we reached about half an
• 1:32:21
  hour away from Iraq, that was where the airport was,
• 1:32:24
  big airport, about a half an hour away, they said, sir,
• 1:32:28
  I'm sorry, you'll have to turn off all your lights. Why?
• 1:32:31
  We're getting close to our site. I said, you mean
• 1:32:34
  we spent $ 8 trillion that we can't leave the lights?
• 1:32:37
  Think of this. Twenty years, $ 8 trillion, and we can't
• 1:32:41
  leave the lights on in a plane. I said, that's okay.
• 1:32:44
  Turn the lights on. I'm not going to fight them.
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 2: This is because it's too dangerous?
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, too dangerous because they see the light up in
• 1:32:50
  the air. They'll shoot at it. They'll shoot at it, yeah.
• 1:32:52
  So I said, turn the lights on. Then they said, sir,
• 1:32:55
  we're going to also pull your shades if that's okay.
• 1:32:57
  I said, that's okay. The plane was pitch black. All
• 1:33:00
  the lights outside, you know, the blinking, the blinking reds,
• 1:33:03
  they were all turned off. And I like to sit
• 1:33:06
  with pilots a lot of times. And these guys are specimens.
• 1:33:09
  I always say they're better looking than Tom Cruise, okay?
• 1:33:15
  And they're even taller. Like perfect specimens. These guys, like
• 1:33:19
  for a fighter, you know, you have some guys that
• 1:33:21
  are perfect specimens. And, you know, they pick the best
• 1:33:25
  pilots in the Air Force, United States Air Force, to
• 1:33:27
  fly Air Force One. And I get up there and...
• 1:33:32
  I'm sitting, and I'm feeling my way up. You know,
• 1:33:35
  it's up by 747, so you go through the stairs,
• 1:33:37
  but I sort of knew my way up. There wasn't
• 1:33:39
  a light in the plane. I'm saying, can you imagine?
• 1:33:42
  We spent trillions of dollars, and we're trying to fly
• 1:33:46
  in blind, but I got into the plane. The cockpit
• 1:33:50
  is dark black, little tiny light. You could see the pilot,
• 1:33:54
  a perfect-looking human being. His co-pilot, everybody was perfect. They
• 1:33:57
  were all like movie stars. You know, it's like I
• 1:33:59
  could have cast a movie with these guys and nobody
• 1:34:01
  would believe it because they were too good looking. So
• 1:34:04
  I said, how are we doing, Captain? Sir, we'll be
• 1:34:07
  landing in 10 minutes. And I look outside. There's not
• 1:34:10
  a light. And I'm saying, you know, I've landed a
• 1:34:12
  lot of planes. And you see like little lights at least.
• 1:34:16
  There's nothing. It's just pure desert. And I said, okay, Captain, good.
• 1:34:23
  But I'm looking. You've been in many planes where it
• 1:34:26
  has the computer sign saying 1,000 feet, 90. Goes 1,900, 800.
• 1:34:33
  It's a computer voice, but it sounds like it, but
• 1:34:35
  it's an incredible voice. 700. I say, Captain, are we okay?
• 1:34:41
  I'm looking. Are we okay, Captain? There's no lights. And
• 1:34:45
  I'm looking. You know, normally when you land a plane,
• 1:34:46
  because I sit with pilots a lot. I think it's great.
• 1:34:48
  I think it's a great profession, everything. They're incredible. These
• 1:34:51
  machines are incredible. He said, sir, we're fine. No problem, sir.
• 1:34:56
  I said, you know, I'm glad. I don't see the
• 1:34:59
  lights up there, Captain. Sure, we're okay, you know. So,
• 1:35:02
  I mean, I'm exaggerating a little bit. You know, probably
• 1:35:05
  with exaggerating, they'll tell the story. They'll say, Trump was
• 1:35:07
  a coward. So I'm sitting with him, he goes, 500,
• 1:35:12
  and I'm telling you, there wasn't a light on the runway, nothing.
• 1:35:18
  And we're going in. You okay, Captain? Everything good? Yes, sir.
• 1:35:22
  No problem. We'll be down in about one minute, sir.
• 1:35:25
  And I'm telling you, Joe, you know, there's always a light.
• 1:35:29
  There's not a little pin. And all of a sudden,
• 1:35:33
  and you hear, blah, blah, perfect landing like glass. That's
• 1:35:37
  how good, I mean, these guys, between the equipment and the,
• 1:35:40
  it's genius. It's pure. It was so dark, you couldn't
• 1:35:44
  see a thing. There was no runway. You wouldn't know
• 1:35:47
  where the hell you are. You're in the middle of
• 1:35:48
  a desert. And then I got out of the plane.
• 1:35:51
  I said, thank you, Captain. It's a great job. And
• 1:35:53
  then I get out of the plane, and I'm going down,
• 1:35:56
  and I see a general, and another general. And I
• 1:36:00
  see a staff sergeant, a drill sergeant, and the various guys.
• 1:36:04
  All central casting. Central casting. They said, sir, would you
• 1:36:09
  like to rest? I said, I don't want to rest.
• 1:36:11
  I want to figure out what the hell are we
• 1:36:13
  doing with ISIS. I'm hearing we can't. It's going to
• 1:36:15
  take years. No, sir, we can do it very quickly, sir. Anyway,
• 1:36:20
  we go into the room. I mean, Biden would have
• 1:36:23
  taken a nap for four days and then left without
• 1:36:25
  a meeting. So we go into the room, and they
• 1:36:28
  have these guys. I say, how long can you do it?
• 1:36:31
  How long? We can do it in a couple of weeks, sir.
• 1:36:34
  I said, wait a minute, they told me five years.
• 1:36:36
  We can do it in, I don't know, he gave
• 1:36:38
  me a number, like, just like in no time. I said,
• 1:36:42
  why haven't you done it? Because the orders came in
• 1:36:46
  from Washington, sir, and they would come here and tell
• 1:36:48
  us what to do. Don't you challenge us? I said,
• 1:36:51
  We're not allowed to do that, sir. That's not the
• 1:36:53
  military way. They tell us what to do and we
• 1:36:55
  have to respect them.
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 2: So do you think that it was incompetence why they
• 1:36:59
  didn't go after ISIS?
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: I think it's a bad system. When Mattis goes there
• 1:37:03
  or when Milley goes there who's stupid and they tell
• 1:37:06
  these guys that are actually smart what to do and
• 1:37:09
  the guys that are smart are saying we don't like
• 1:37:11
  what they're doing but they're not allowed to sort of counteract.
• 1:37:14
  Plus the guys that went there are arrogant. They're arrogant fools.
• 1:37:18
  They're like stupid fools. The way they pulled out of–
• 1:37:22
  as an example, the way they pulled out of Afghanistan
• 1:37:26
  with the people falling off the planes. Yeah, it's a disgrace.
• 1:37:28
  It was so– it was worse than Vietnam with the
• 1:37:31
  helicopters falling. It was so bad. There was no reason
• 1:37:35
  for it. Anyway, so we knocked them out and, I mean,
• 1:37:39
  we have great military. We have great people but not
• 1:37:43
  the television guys. And I rebuilt the military and then
• 1:37:46
  they gave a chunk of it. As much as it
• 1:37:48
  is– It's a tiny little piece, believe it or not.
• 1:37:52
  We have an unbelievable— I rebuilt the military. I rebuilt our nuclear.
• 1:37:57
  And in a way, I hated to redo it, but
• 1:37:59
  I got to realize how powerful that nuclear is, Joe.
• 1:38:04
  One bomb— Israel is gone, but forget. One bomb could take
• 1:38:09
  out the entire East Coast. It's so bad. And I
• 1:38:12
  watched these poor fools talking about Our oceans will rise
• 1:38:17
  one-eighth of an inch over the next 500 years. I mean,
• 1:38:21
  we have people, we have countries. Right now you have
• 1:38:23
  five countries. And don't underestimate North, if you take a
• 1:38:28
  look at North Korea, I was there. I mean, I
• 1:38:32
  was with Kim Jong-un. I had a great relationship. I
• 1:38:34
  got along great with him. You know, the press says,
• 1:38:35
  he got along good. That's a good thing. It's not
• 1:38:37
  a bad thing. It's a great thing. Obama thought we
• 1:38:40
  were going to go to war with North Korea. When
• 1:38:42
  I met with Obama just prior to the takeover, you know,
• 1:38:45
  you meet, you have sort of a ceremonial meeting. But
• 1:38:48
  it lasted a long time, a lot longer than it
• 1:38:50
  was supposed to last. I said, what's the biggest problem?
• 1:38:52
  He said, North Korea. By the time I finished, I
• 1:38:56
  was– we had no problem with North Korea. We were
• 1:38:59
  really– it was a little tough at the beginning, remember?
• 1:39:02
  He said, I have a red button on my desk.
• 1:39:05
  I said, I have a red button also, but mine
• 1:39:08
  is bigger than yours and mine works.
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 2: I liked how you called him Little Rocket Man.
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 1: I said, Little Rocket Man, you're going to burn in hell.
• 1:39:16
  It was a rough– Yeah. Oh, so rough that people
• 1:39:19
  were worried. This is crazy. And then one day I
• 1:39:22
  got a call, sort of like a fight. I got
• 1:39:24
  a call. You know, you ever see a pounding? Then
• 1:39:27
  all of a sudden, but I got a call. And
• 1:39:30
  it was from him, meaning his people. They wanted to meet.
• 1:39:33
  They wouldn't meet Obama. He tried to meet. They wouldn't
• 1:39:36
  even talk to him about it. And I think he
• 1:39:39
  expected to go to war. I actually do. I believe
• 1:39:41
  he expected to go. And we checked their nuclear stockpile.
• 1:39:45
  It is substantial. I mean, it's—I said, do you do
• 1:39:48
  anything— I got to know him very well. I got to
• 1:39:50
  know him better than anybody. Anybody. And I said, do
• 1:39:54
  you ever do anything else? Why don't you go take
• 1:39:56
  it easy and relax? Go to the beach? You have
• 1:39:59
  a beautiful beach, nice beachfront property. You know, kiddingly. I said,
• 1:40:02
  you're always building nuclear. Just relax. You don't have to
• 1:40:06
  do it. Let's build some condos on your shoreline. They
• 1:40:09
  actually have gorgeous stuff. And he said— I just have
• 1:40:13
  to do it because I need it for my safety,
• 1:40:15
  et cetera. I got to know him very well. We
• 1:40:17
  had no problem with him. If you have a smart problem,
• 1:40:20
  if you have a smart, really the right president, the
• 1:40:23
  smart president, you're not going to have a problem. And
• 1:40:26
  I say it to people. We have a bigger problem,
• 1:40:28
  in my opinion, with the enemy from within. And it
• 1:40:31
  drives them crazy when I use that term. But we
• 1:40:34
  have an enemy from within. We have people that are
• 1:40:36
  really bad people that I really think want to make
• 1:40:40
  this country unsuccessful. When you look at what's happening at
• 1:40:44
  our border, Joe, when you have people coming in that–
• 1:40:47
  when other countries are allowed to empty their prisons into
• 1:40:50
  our country with murderers, we had 13,099 murderers dropped in
• 1:40:56
  our country over the last three years. And 15,000 rapists convicted. Rapists. Yeah.
• 1:41:02
  Drug dealers. Drug lords.
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 2: And that's just the ones that have.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: Been accounted for. Correct. People from mental institutions.
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 2: What do you think this strategy is?
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 1: Hundreds of thousands of major criminals, tougher and worse than
• 1:41:17
  anybody we have.
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 2: We're seeing the consequences of it in San Antonio. They've
• 1:41:20
  taken over apartment buildings in Aurora, Colorado. They've taken over
• 1:41:23
  apartment buildings, these Venezuelan gangs.
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 1: Just the beginning.
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 2: What do you think the strategy is? One of the
• 1:41:30
  things that they've said is that you stopped a bill–
• 1:41:35
  from being passed. But didn't that bill also include amnesty
• 1:41:39
  for the people that are already here?
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is years after the fact. The damage was
• 1:41:44
  already done.
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 2: But what was the bill?
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 1: Well, the bill was nothing. It allowed 2 million people in.
• 1:41:49
  They were going to get amnesty. It was a horrible bill.
• 1:41:53
  It didn't protect us at all.
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 2: But we should just tell people what the strategy is.
• 1:41:57
  So one of the things that's been very clear is
• 1:42:01
  that they've moved a large percentage of these migrants that
• 1:42:05
  are coming across the border illegally. They've moved them to
• 1:42:09
  swing states. This is what's going on with Springfield, Ohio, right?
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 1: They're in swing states. Well, that's not a swing state.
• 1:42:14
  I'm going to win Ohio by a lot. So that's
• 1:42:17
  not a swing. But it's called Springfield, Ohio to be exact. Springfield, Ohio.
• 1:42:22
  is this very nice community of 52,000 people that just
• 1:42:29
  had 32,000 migrants that don't speak the language dropped into
• 1:42:33
  their community. You can't get into a hospital. You can't
• 1:42:37
  get into a school. It's gone from a beautiful little
• 1:42:40
  place to a horror show. And the mayor is a
• 1:42:43
  nice guy. And the mayor says, we're looking for interpreters.
• 1:42:48
  I said, no, you've got to remove them and bring
• 1:42:50
  them back to their country. mostly Haitians in this case.
• 1:42:54
  But they speak no language. They speak no English. No English, man.
• 1:42:58
  In fact, even the language they do speak, I mean,
• 1:43:00
  they can't get interpreters. They can't do anything. And the
• 1:43:03
  mayor's trying to be politically correct. They're all trying to be.
• 1:43:06
  In Aurora, Colorado, you have the worst, probably the worst gang.
• 1:43:11
  MS-13 might even be, you know, those two are the
• 1:43:13
  worst gangs. These are Venezuela gangs. They have taken over
• 1:43:17
  apartment complexes, and they're going to want to take over
• 1:43:20
  the whole thing And you have a weak governor, a
• 1:43:22
  pathetic governor who's a radical left Democrat. He doesn't know
• 1:43:27
  what the hell to do. But you have it in
• 1:43:29
  many other communities, but they don't like to talk about
• 1:43:31
  it because it's bad for the community to talk about it.
• 1:43:35
  These people have been let in here by this imbecile.
• 1:43:40
  I mean it. She's a low IQ person. Low IQ. Right.
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 2: But it's also– it's obviously not just her. There's a
• 1:43:48
  strategy that's involved in letting these people in.
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 1: Well, she was in charge of the border.
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 2: Well, she's in charge of the border but they also–
• 1:43:52
  they utilize that app, the app that used to be used.
• 1:43:57
  It used to be used I think essentially– wasn't it
• 1:43:59
  for shipping? Wasn't it when people were in this country?
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 1: It was used for shipping and now it's used to
• 1:44:04
  deal with the cartels. The cartel, heads of the cartel,
• 1:44:08
  rich people by the way. These are loaded. These people
• 1:44:10
  have so much money. They would call up– think of this.
• 1:44:14
  They call up the app and the app tells them
• 1:44:17
  where they should take their load of illegal migrants from
• 1:44:21
  the Congo. You know, we have a lot from the Congo,
• 1:44:24
  prisons in the Congo. I made a little bit of
• 1:44:28
  a sarcastic joke. A man named Dana White, who you love,
• 1:44:31
  who I love. I assume you love him.
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 2: I love that dude.
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: I think he's in a class by him.
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 2: He's probably the reason why you're here.
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 2: Maybe he's one of the big ones.
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 1: He is the greatest guy. You know, I always say every,
• 1:44:45
  nobody's indispensable. You know, everybody can be replaced. Maybe you
• 1:44:49
  can't be, you might not be, but they know what truly,
• 1:44:52
  I don't think, you know, the things they sold it
• 1:44:54
  for 4 billion. I said, what a Harold, who the
• 1:44:57
  hell is going to pay 4 billion? And they made
• 1:45:01
  like a great deal. I mean, because of him, take
• 1:45:04
  him out. I think it's a whole different.
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 2: No, he's the best.
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 1: He's also the greatest guy. He spoke at my, at
• 1:45:10
  the whole thing with, you know, I had just been
• 1:45:12
  shot and, He got up and he spoke so better
• 1:45:14
  than anybody. I mean, who would be better to introduce you?
• 1:45:18
  I asked of all the people, and I know the
• 1:45:20
  biggest people in the world, and they all would have
• 1:45:22
  loved to have done it. I said, Dana, would you
• 1:45:24
  do it? You know, it was interesting. He was away.
• 1:45:27
  And he said to the people that, you know, one
• 1:45:29
  of my guys called, he said, I won't be able
• 1:45:32
  to do it. I just left with my wife and family.
• 1:45:35
  I said, he said, no, yeah. I was a little surprised,
• 1:45:38
  even though I knew he was very far away. He
• 1:45:39
  was in someplace, some And he deserved it with his
• 1:45:42
  family and all that. And then I said, all right.
• 1:45:46
  So we'll look at who we're going to get. And
• 1:45:49
  all of a sudden she comes in. Sir Dana White
• 1:45:51
  just said he's going to do it and he's coming
• 1:45:53
  back in tonight. He's taking it. The guy is just
• 1:45:56
  an incredible guy and he's like a tough champion but loyal. Yeah.
• 1:46:02
  He's got to be one of your favorite people. He's
• 1:46:04
  one of my favorite people.
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 2: I've been friends with him for 23 years.
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: I love him. So would you have– Because what you're
• 1:46:11
  doing here is incredible. I mean everybody tells me. All
• 1:46:13
  I know is today I'm going– you're on Joe Rogan.
• 1:46:17
  People are telling me like– I say, how the hell
• 1:46:19
  do you know that? But it's sort of– what you've
• 1:46:22
  done here is amazing. Where would you be if you
• 1:46:25
  didn't do the UFC stuff? Would you have this show
• 1:46:27
  do you think?
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would still be doing it for sure. Yeah.
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 1: Would it be at the same level? I don't know.
• 1:46:33
  But you would have the show.
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 2: It's hard to know. I think one of the things
• 1:46:36
  that works for this show, I guess, is that I'm
• 1:46:39
  involved in so many different things. You know, stand-up comedy, UFC,
• 1:46:43
  and all the interests that I have that lead to
• 1:46:45
  the podcast.
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 1: Will you always want to do UFC? First of all,
• 1:46:48
  you love UFC.
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 2: I love it, yeah.
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: You love the fights. I mean, I watch you. You
• 1:46:51
  are loving it. They could pay you nothing.
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 2: They didn't pay me anything for the first, like, 13 shows.
• 1:46:56
  I did it for free because they were hemorrhaging money.
• 1:46:58
  And I became friends with Dana. And my position was,
• 1:47:02
  you're going to give me the best seat in the house.
• 1:47:04
  I get to sit cage side for the fights. I'll
• 1:47:07
  do it. And I wanted to help. I was like,
• 1:47:08
  I think these are the guys that we had always
• 1:47:10
  hoped for. In the early days of the sport, I
• 1:47:13
  started working for the company in 1997. I was the
• 1:47:16
  before the UFC was purchased by Zufa, which Dana worked for.
• 1:47:19
  So I was a part of the previous owners. And
• 1:47:22
  I only did it for a couple of years. It
• 1:47:23
  was just too much and I was losing money. And
• 1:47:25
  it was banned from cable because of Budweiser and John McCain.
• 1:47:29
  And you could only get it on direct TV.
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 1: And then I came along and I gave him the sites.
• 1:47:33
  You did. And he loves you for that. And he
• 1:47:35
  never forgot it.
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 2: He loves you for that. He talks about it all
• 1:47:37
  the time.
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 1: Just to interrupt you for one second. So they couldn't
• 1:47:40
  get a site because it was too dangerous and everybody
• 1:47:43
  was against it and they couldn't get licensed. And I
• 1:47:45
  gave them the first two or three sites. And they
• 1:47:48
  were great. And by the way, I went to the
• 1:47:50
  first fight. I said, I never saw anything like this.
• 1:47:53
  It was crazy. It was so good. Take the best
• 1:47:56
  fight you've ever seen. It was like that fight, right?
• 1:47:58
  It was so good that I gave it to him
• 1:48:00
  again and again. And all of a sudden it caught on. But,
• 1:48:02
  you know, when I wasn't in Vogue, you know, I've
• 1:48:05
  had time. You probably never had a time. But I
• 1:48:08
  had times when I wasn't exactly in Vogue. Dana, they
• 1:48:11
  called him. He said, he's the greatest guy. There's nobody
• 1:48:14
  like him. He said, I'll never say anything bad about
• 1:48:18
  that guy because when I need to. it, because they
• 1:48:20
  were having a hard time at the beginning. They almost
• 1:48:22
  pulled the plug a couple of times, right? He said,
• 1:48:25
  he stood up and he gave us stuff that nobody
• 1:48:28
  else gave us and nobody wanted anything to do. And
• 1:48:31
  he said, I will never. And there was a time
• 1:48:35
  where it would have been very popular for him to
• 1:48:36
  say bad stuff about me. He said the greatest stuff
• 1:48:40
  about me. He said, you're going to try and get
• 1:48:41
  me to say bad stuff about Trump? I'm never doing it. No,
• 1:48:44
  he's a very, very, very loyal guy.
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 2: Very unusual guy.
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 1: He's a fantastic guy.
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 2: A perfect guy to be at the helm of something
• 1:48:50
  so controversial as the UFC.
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 1: Less controversial now. Well, now it's huge. Yeah.
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 2: Well, this was always the thing that I would hope
• 1:48:57
  that it would be. I always knew that it was
• 1:48:59
  unbelievably entertaining, but I just didn't know if maybe I
• 1:49:01
  was crazy. Maybe I loved it because I've had this
• 1:49:04
  long history of being involved in martial arts and maybe
• 1:49:07
  like other people who just think it's too violent.
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 1: Can boxing make it?
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Boxing is still a great sport. I love boxing.
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 1: But it seems to be so unimportant now by comparison
• 1:49:17
  to UFC, don't you think?
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 2: I think– well, Dana is working with the Kingdom of
• 1:49:22
  Saudi Arabia. They're going to start promoting boxing now. And
• 1:49:26
  with Dana at the helm of it, I think boxing
• 1:49:28
  could return because– The thing is they want to make
• 1:49:30
  fights that other– maybe promoters don't want to make because
• 1:49:35
  they want to protect their fighter, controversial fights where it's dangerous.
• 1:49:38
  Like you don't know this guy could lose. And so
• 1:49:40
  the Saudis, they're smart. They just offer a tremendous amount
• 1:49:44
  of money and they're putting together fights that no one
• 1:49:46
  else can put together. They're doing that in boxing.
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 1: If Dana is involved, he'll probably make it good. You
• 1:49:51
  know the amazing thing though in fighting? No UFC fighter
• 1:49:56
  they say has ever died. And it looks to be
• 1:49:58
  much more violent than boxing. Many boxers have died. Isn't
• 1:50:02
  it interesting? And Dana tells me because they take so
• 1:50:04
  many shots to the face. Yes.
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 2: And there's also no other options to preserve yourself, to
• 1:50:08
  protect yourself. So if you get hit in a UFC fight,
• 1:50:11
  you can clinch. You can try to take the fight
• 1:50:12
  to the ground.
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 1: You get options.
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 2: Also, you don't get allowed to get knocked down and
• 1:50:16
  then get back up. When you get knocked down, you're concussed.
• 1:50:19
  And generally, if a guy is really hurt, they can
• 1:50:22
  be finished on the ground and the fight is over.
• 1:50:24
  If it's boxing, you have 10 seconds to get up.
• 1:50:28
  You get up. Your head kind of clears, but you're
• 1:50:30
  still in real bad trouble, and you can kind of
• 1:50:33
  run away and survive until the bell rings. There are
• 1:50:35
  only three-minute rounds, and then you start again. So you're
• 1:50:37
  getting repeated punishment to the head. And then there's also
• 1:50:41
  the issue of guys' weight cutting, which is a problem
• 1:50:44
  with the UFC as well. But weight cutting in boxing
• 1:50:47
  has led to– if you look at deaths in boxing–
• 1:50:49
  There's very few of them in the heavyweight division. Most
• 1:50:51
  of the deaths in boxing are the lighter weight divisions
• 1:50:54
  because when guys dehydrate themselves to lose weight, to make weight,
• 1:50:58
  their brain is the last thing that gets rehydrated. Like
• 1:51:01
  it's very difficult to completely rehydrate your brain quickly. And
• 1:51:06
  you only have 24 hours between the weigh-in and the fight.
• 1:51:08
  And it used to be the weigh-ins were the day
• 1:51:10
  of the fight. Like when Boom Boom Mancini had a
• 1:51:14
  fight with Ducku Kim and killed him in the ring,
• 1:51:16
  which is one of the last ones on television that
• 1:51:18
  we've seen.
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 2: That was a crazy event for people and heartbreaking. And
• 1:51:22
  it led to a bunch of different changes. One of
• 1:51:24
  them is day before weigh-ins to allow people to rehydrate better.
• 1:51:27
  And the other one is they dropped it from 15
• 1:51:29
  rounds down to 12.
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 1: Which, look, they should do that again. You know, I'm
• 1:51:34
  not the fighter, so. But those 15-round fights were unbelievable.
• 1:51:37
  They were unbelievable. Unbelievable.
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you go back to the golden age.
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, in terms of entertainment. Oh, yeah. Those were the
• 1:51:43
  championship rounds. Those were the greatest fights ever.
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 2: Those last three rounds were crazy.
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 1: That was brutal.
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's such a war of attrition. You know,
• 1:51:51
  a lot of people think even like a five-round UFC fight.
• 1:51:54
  UFC is five-minute rounds. It's so much energy you're burning out.
• 1:51:58
  And those last couple of rounds, those five-round fights, the
• 1:52:01
  fourth and the fifth round, unbelievably brutal.
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 1: Who's the greatest UFC fighter? Are you allowed to say,
• 1:52:06
  in your opinion, it's tough for you to say because
• 1:52:08
  you do this, but who do you think is the
• 1:52:10
  greatest of the fighters?
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of arguments for who's the greatest of
• 1:52:14
  all time. You know, John Jones, most people would say
• 1:52:19
  is the greatest of all time, never lost. There's certainly
• 1:52:22
  a really good argument for that. There's another argument for
• 1:52:25
  George St. Pierre. I always leave in BJ Penn in
• 1:52:28
  his prime, Anderson Silva in his prime, Mighty Mouse. People
• 1:52:33
  forget about Mighty Mouse because unfortunately he's a smaller guy.
• 1:52:36
  He's 125 pounds, flyweight champion. He's one of the greatest
• 1:52:40
  expressions of mixed martial arts I've ever seen. I think
• 1:52:42
  to this day.
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 1: And Khabib?
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 2: Khabib is fantastic. But if you looked at accomplishments in
• 1:52:47
  terms of championship fights, Khabib retired 29-0, but he didn't
• 1:52:50
  have as many world championship fights.
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 1: And probably never lost a round.
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 2: He might have lost to Glace and T-Bow. He might
• 1:52:56
  have lost to him.
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 1: Around.
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 2: He might have lost around. And that was a controversial
• 1:53:00
  fight where people think that Glace and T-Bow could have
• 1:53:02
  even got the decision in that fight. I'd have to
• 1:53:04
  go back and watch it again to make a decision.
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 1: They're great athletes.
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 2: Oh, the best athletes in the world. And the most
• 1:53:11
  dangerous sport in terms of like– I always call it
• 1:53:15
  high-level problem-solving with dire physical consequences. That's what fighting is.
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 1: I'll never forget. So there was a fighter named James Toney. Oh, yeah.
• 1:53:25
  I love James Toney. He fought as a very light
• 1:53:27
  fighter and he ended up as a heavyweight. This guy
• 1:53:29
  went through everything. He was almost like a lightweight.
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 2: He went from middleweight all the way up to heavyweight.
• 1:53:34
  And beat Evander Holyfield as a heavyweight.
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 1: And he was a real fighter. Oh, yeah. So James
• 1:53:38
  Toney and I think it was St. George. George St.
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 2: Pierre.
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 1: St. Pierre. I think it was him. Who did he fight?
• 1:53:46
  James Toney. James Toney.
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 2: No, James Toney didn't fight George C.
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 1: Pierre. He fought a UFC fighter.
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Randy Couture fought James Toney.
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 1: Was it Randy Couture?
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 2: But that was like an easy fight. That was a
• 1:53:55
  very easy fight. Randy Couture just took him down and
• 1:53:57
  strangled him.
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 1: And he's half the size. And he just, once he
• 1:54:02
  got to the ankles, in fact, the announcer said, it's over.
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he ankle picked him, took him down, mounted him,
• 1:54:06
  strangled him.
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 1: It was pretty quick. But he was talking big because
• 1:54:09
  he was much bigger.
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 2: He was a pretty big guy. I think James just
• 1:54:12
  wanted to make some money.
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 1: You think so? Yeah. But I never forgot it. It
• 1:54:16
  was over very quickly. He was lying sleeping on the
• 1:54:19
  mat and he was talking. He was doing the Muhammad
• 1:54:21
  Ali stuff but it didn't work out.
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 2: But I remember– He sold the fight.
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was Couture probably, wasn't it? Yeah, it was Couture.
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 2: George never fought a boxer in an MMA fight. If
• 1:54:29
  he did, he would kill them.
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 1: Was he one of the greatest?
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 2: Yes, unquestionably. The argument– there's like a handful of guys
• 1:54:36
  you can make the argument as the greatest of all time.
• 1:54:38
  People forget about Anderson Silva. In his prime, he was unstoppable.
• 1:54:42
  But that's the thing is.
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 1: And then there's.
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 2: Fedor Emelianenko who fought in pride in his prime. He
• 1:54:46
  was unstoppable. There's this– And you have a couple now
• 1:54:49
  that are pretty good. Oh, we've got so many now.
• 1:54:51
  Alex Pereira.
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 1: Correct.
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 2: There's an argument that he's the.
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 1: Top pound-for-pound fighter in the world right now. He's looking
• 1:54:55
  very good, yeah.
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 2: He's unbelievable. But it's like fighters can only compete at
• 1:55:00
  that level for so many years. And so my opinion,
• 1:55:02
  you have to judge them at their very peak. You
• 1:55:05
  can't judge them when they're hanging on and still fighting.
• 1:55:07
  You can't judge them when they're coming up. You've got
• 1:55:09
  to judge them in that championship– peak and that championship
• 1:55:13
  peak there's a handful of guys that you would consider
• 1:55:16
  at the very top if.
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 1: They stopped a little bit sooner yeah some of them
• 1:55:20
  would have had you know i mean there are a
• 1:55:21
  couple of that you just mentioned without mentioning names and
• 1:55:24
  they stopped they had the perfect they were unbelievable and
• 1:55:27
  then at a certain age they start getting knocked out
• 1:55:29
  right Yes.
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 2: It's unfortunate. But the thing is that same belief in
• 1:55:33
  themselves that lets them become a champion makes them think
• 1:55:36
  that they can do it long past the time that
• 1:55:38
  they actually can.
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 1: Well, Anderson Silver was essentially unbeatable. And then he lost
• 1:55:42
  a close one. Then all of a sudden he got
• 1:55:44
  knocked out.
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 2: He got knocked out by Chris Weidman.
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 2: He was kind of clowning in that fight famously. And
• 1:55:49
  Chris Weidman had a vicious left hook, knocked him out.
• 1:55:52
  And then they fought a second time and he broke
• 1:55:53
  his leg on Chris Weidman. And after that fight, he
• 1:55:57
  was kind of never the same because that leg break injury,
• 1:56:01
  which Conor McGregor had, there's quite a few fighters. Weidman
• 1:56:04
  actually wound up having the same injury, ironically. There's only
• 1:56:07
  been like.
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 1: Four of those. You're never the same because you can't kick.
• 1:56:09
  Never the same.
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 2: Well, you can. Weidman is still kicking with that leg.
• 1:56:13
  You can. But psychologically, when you throw a kick and
• 1:56:15
  your leg snaps in half and you're in agony for
• 1:56:18
  a year. You have to get surgery. You have to
• 1:56:20
  get bolts and plates to keep your leg together. And
• 1:56:23
  then it takes forever for it to heal.
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 1: It always amazes me how the kicker– I mean you
• 1:56:28
  have those cases. But the kicker will do tremendous damage
• 1:56:31
  to somebody's leg. But their leg doesn't seem to get damaged.
• 1:56:35
  Isn't it sort of amazing? It does get damaged. It hurts.
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 2: More than you think. Yeah, but your shin gets very
• 1:56:40
  numb after a while. And guys that are really good kickers,
• 1:56:43
  they're kicking the thigh and they're kicking the calf. They're
• 1:56:46
  kicking soft areas. And they're slamming this hard, numb shin.
• 1:56:51
  Their shin gets all these like micro fractures all over
• 1:56:54
  the shin and it calcifies. These guys can kick baseball bats.
• 1:56:57
  You ever seen them break baseball bats with their shins?
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 1: It's crazy.
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 2: Some guys can do two baseball bats. Someone will hold
• 1:57:03
  the baseball bat and they'll just kick right through them.
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 1: But see, I watch your enthusiasm now, right? Yeah. And
• 1:57:08
  it's like that's why you're good at it. Nobody does
• 1:57:11
  this better. Without the enthusiasm, forget it.
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 2: Well, it has to be authentic. I mean the only
• 1:57:17
  reason why I do MMA commentary is because I'm very
• 1:57:20
  interested in it for real. I don't have to manufacture it.
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 1: I'm very interested. So I think that's why. And you
• 1:57:26
  love going in there after the fight and they're sweating
• 1:57:29
  all over you. They're slopping all over you. You're beautiful.
• 1:57:31
  They bleed on me. They're bleeding.
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 2: Sometimes their nose is bleeding.
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 1: Does that bother you a little bit? No. Like two
• 1:57:35
  weeks ago with the guy. I never saw him.
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 2: Khalil Roundstreet, yeah.
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 1: More stuff came out of his nose?
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 2: Yes. It was pretty nasty. But no, I'm very used
• 1:57:44
  to it. I just wanted him to be able to
• 1:57:45
  express himself.
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 1: You've done a great job.
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: You've done a great job.
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  Speaker 2: So back to you and back to what are you–
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  first of all, I love this idea of you teaming
• 1:57:55
  up with Robert Kennedy.
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 2: And I love this Make America Healthy Again idea because
• 1:58:01
  there are chemicals and ingredients in our food that are
• 1:58:05
  illegal in other countries because they've been shown to be toxic.
• 1:58:08
  There's pesticides and herbicides and there's a lot of shit
• 1:58:13
  that's been sprayed on our food that really is unnecessary
• 1:58:16
  and there's a lot of health consequences that people are
• 1:58:18
  suffering from a lot of these things.
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 1: I brought this chart for you because I had a
• 1:58:23
  feeling you'd be asking me. Look at this chart. These
• 1:58:26
  are healthier countries. Look where the United States is. I'm
• 1:58:29
  going to send this to RFK Jr.
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 2: So this is– well, something along the– I was actually
• 1:58:36
  talking to RFK today and he told me that more
• 1:58:38
  than 70 percent of young men are ineligible for the
• 1:58:42
  military because of their health.
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 1: I could see it.
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 1: A lot of it is obesity.
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 2: So here's the life expectancy versus health expenditure.
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 1: Same chart. Yeah. Did you see that?
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 2: USA.
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 1: That's pretty good.
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 2: Jamie is the best.
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 1: He's very good.
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 2: He's the best.
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 1: But look at that. Look at the USA. Not good.
• 1:59:01
  And that's our food.
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 2: That's our diet. That's sedentary lifestyle. That's our diet. That's
• 1:59:05
  the chemicals we ingest. That's what that is.
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 1: But RFK is going to be– I think he's a
• 1:59:11
  great guy.
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 2: I love the fact that you guys teamed up.
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 2: And are you guys– are you completely committed to have
• 1:59:17
  him a part of your administration?
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 1: Oh, I am. But the only thing I want to
• 1:59:20
  be a little careful about with him is the environmental issues. Because,
• 1:59:24
  you know, he doesn't like oil. I love oil and gas.
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 2: Just keep him out of that.
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 1: So I'm going to sort of keep him out of
• 1:59:30
  a little bit. I said, focus on health. You can
• 1:59:33
  do whatever you want. But you've got to be a
• 1:59:35
  little bit careful with the liquid gold, you know?
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 2: I understand. But listen, there's plenty of good work that
• 1:59:40
  could be done if you focus on health.
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 1: Here's the one that's my all-time favorite. What is that?
• 1:59:45
  See the arrow right here? That's what I left.
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 2: Do you have anyone that is pressuring you to not
• 1:59:51
  work with him? Have there been people– To not work
• 1:59:53
  with who? RFK Jr. Yes.
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 2: I would imagine because financially he can put a dent.
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 1: I would say that– and I think in many ways
• 2:00:04
  they've done a good job. In many ways they've done
• 2:00:06
  a bad job. But I would say that the big
• 2:00:09
  pharma wasn't thrilled when they heard that– I've actually always
• 2:00:15
  gotten along very well with him. I've known him a
• 2:00:17
  long time. He's a different kind of a guy. He's
• 2:00:19
  a very smart, great guy. And he's very sincere about this.
• 2:00:23
  I mean he really is– he thinks we spend a
• 2:00:26
  fortune on pesticides and all this stuff and then you
• 2:00:29
  end up– that chart is a terrible chart, the one previous.
• 2:00:33
  It's such a bad chart when you look at where
• 2:00:34
  we are compared to other countries that don't spend 10 cents.
• 2:00:38
  So– and you save a lot of money. But yeah,
• 2:00:40
  I've had some people that aren't exactly thrilled. You can imagine, right?
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 2: Sure.
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 1: It's a good question actually.
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 2: Well, certainly if there have been– It doesn't affect me.
• 2:00:50
  some pharmaceutical drugs that have been prescribed that have negative
• 2:00:53
  consequences that these people have been profiting off of. And
• 2:00:57
  then you have a guy like RFK Jr. who spends
• 2:00:59
  an enormous amount of time highlighting those things. You could
• 2:01:02
  say how they've been very reluctant to have you support him.
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 1: I would say that's an understatement. Yeah.
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 2: So what do you do to stop that from getting
• 2:01:10
  in the way?
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 1: Well, look, they've come up with some amazing things. I mean,
• 2:01:14
  I don't know how you feel. I know you're against
• 2:01:17
  certain vaccines. But like the polio vaccine, people had polio.
• 2:01:22
  It was like a disaster. And they came up, Dr. Salk,
• 2:01:26
  and he came up with a vaccine, and there's no polio. Now,
• 2:01:29
  very interesting, there hasn't been polio, but now in the
• 2:01:32
  Gaza Strip, can you believe that? Have you heard that?
• 2:01:34
  There's been a big strain of polio coming out in
• 2:01:37
  the Gaza Strip.
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 2: Is it vaccine-derived polio? Because, you know, there's a strain
• 2:01:41
  of polio that comes directly from the vaccine because unfortunately
• 2:01:44
  sometimes when you vaccinate people for polio, you actually give
• 2:01:48
  them polio. Yeah.
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, all I can do is I sit down
• 2:01:51
  and I listen to him and I'll give it a total.
• 2:01:54
  I would love him to be right. Because if he's right,
• 2:01:58
  it's a lot less expensive generally speaking.
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 2: There's two things that people point to when they point
• 2:02:02
  to the dangers of the pharmaceutical drug industry. One thing
• 2:02:08
  is when pharmaceutical drugs were allowed to advertise on television.
• 2:02:11
  We're only one of two countries in the world that
• 2:02:14
  allow pharmaceutical drugs to advertise on TV. The other one
• 2:02:17
  is New Zealand. But they're more restrictive than we are.
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 1: But those ads, when you hear like, You know, take
• 2:02:23
  a certain drug. And then you hear all the consequences.
• 2:02:24
  And then you say it causes cancer and baldness. We
• 2:02:27
  don't like baldness.
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 2: Suicidal ideation.
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 1: And they said that and eyesight and you can lose
• 2:02:30
  your vision.
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 1: And, you know, I just– I actually asked one of
• 2:02:33
  these guys. I would never take– I mean, of course,
• 2:02:36
  there's things that are so bad. They go through a
• 2:02:37
  whole list. I guess they save some liability. But, man,
• 2:02:41
  I said, does that affect the purchase? And they say
• 2:02:44
  it really does. When they– when there's something you have
• 2:02:47
  and you read and then they go through the list
• 2:02:50
  of Side effects. The potential side. It's not even the
• 2:02:53
  potential side effects. I mean a lot of people are
• 2:02:57
  just– I ask that question. People hear that. When I
• 2:03:00
  hear it, I'm going to take a pass. It says
• 2:03:03
  may affect your vision, may cause blindness. Yes.
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 2: Well, I know you're aware of Cal and Casey Means, right?
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 1: Yes. Yes.
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 2: Well, one of the things that they pointed out, and
• 2:03:12
  this is a very important thing for people to understand,
• 2:03:15
  is what a lot of these drugs do is they
• 2:03:19
  act to somehow or another mitigate the effects of poor
• 2:03:23
  metabolic health. But most of these problems that these people
• 2:03:27
  are suffering from wouldn't exist if we put an emphasis
• 2:03:30
  on metabolic health. If people got healthier, they started eating
• 2:03:34
  nutritious food and taking vitamins, a whole host of these
• 2:03:38
  problems that people are having would go away. And the
• 2:03:41
  problem with that from the pharmaceutical drug standpoint is they
• 2:03:44
  wouldn't be able to sell drugs to these people.
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 1: And this is a fear that a lot of people have.
• 2:03:47
  And the pesticides and things like that on the plants
• 2:03:50
  and the– what do you think of that? Terrible.
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 2: Terrible. Well, I think regenerative agriculture, unfortunately, is very difficult
• 2:03:56
  to scale to a point where you got a jack
• 2:03:57
  in the box on every corner. If everybody wants food
• 2:04:00
  and we have food deserts and we have places like
• 2:04:02
  Los Angeles where no one's growing anything and everything has
• 2:04:05
  to be shipped in, it's very difficult to feed that
• 2:04:08
  many people. We've created this incredible society where we have
• 2:04:11
  these enormous cities, but it's very difficult to get food
• 2:04:15
  to these people. And then For a lot of these
• 2:04:17
  people in low-income areas, the only food that's available is cheap,
• 2:04:21
  unhealthy food. And we could fix that. If we could
• 2:04:26
  send $ 175 billion to Ukraine, we could do something to
• 2:04:29
  fix a lot of the health problems that the United
• 2:04:31
  States has. And I think it would help us as
• 2:04:35
  a nation. If you just put it out there that, hey,
• 2:04:39
  as a nation, we're going to make a concerted effort
• 2:04:41
  to get people healthier. Just put it out there and
• 2:04:44
  people start making better choices.
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 1: Well, when you look at that chart– It's crazy. They
• 2:04:48
  just gave me that chart because they said you may
• 2:04:50
  want to discuss this topic, which I know is a
• 2:04:52
  big topic for you. And when I looked at that
• 2:04:54
  chart and I looked at how unhealthy we are as
• 2:04:56
  a nation, that's a pretty big thing.
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 2: How are you so healthy? Is it golf?
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 1: Golf? No, it's genetics. I believe– I'm a big believer.
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 2: Genetics is a big factor.
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 1: I really am. I mean my father was– Unfortunately.
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 2: It is a big factor for health. Some people are
• 2:05:12
  just way more robust. But you do play golf a
• 2:05:14
  lot and that is exercise.
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 1: Both of my parents. For me, it's good.
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 2: Fresh air.
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 1: It really is. It's fresh. You're outside. Even mentally, you're
• 2:05:23
  focused on that three-footer. For a couple of hours, you're not.
• 2:05:27
  I go quick. I play fast, real fast and I'm in.
• 2:05:30
  I'm out. But it gives me– I was never one
• 2:05:32
  that could like run on a treadmill. And I can
• 2:05:35
  do it. You know, when passing a physical, they asked
• 2:05:38
  me to run on a treadmill and then they make
• 2:05:40
  it steeper and steeper and steeper. And the doctor said
• 2:05:44
  it was at Walter Reed. They said, it's unbelievable. I
• 2:05:48
  could have gone. I'm telling you, I felt I could
• 2:05:50
  have gone all day. But I said, Doc, I can
• 2:05:53
  do this all day long. I'm not. I have no problem.
• 2:05:56
  But it's boring to me. Do you understand? It's just boring.
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 2: Golf is exciting.
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 1: But I did it for so long. They couldn't believe
• 2:06:02
  it that I did it. And I never– I don't
• 2:06:04
  do it. I don't really– I have friends who are
• 2:06:06
  running this stuff all day long. But I had no
• 2:06:08
  problem doing it. But it's really boring. So with golf
• 2:06:12
  or something or tennis or whatever. Right. Golf, as you
• 2:06:16
  get older, there's something really good about it and you
• 2:06:19
  have competition with your friends. Competition, concentration, focus. And it's
• 2:06:22
  a great handicap sport.
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 2: And it's also a thing I think that's– it cleans
• 2:06:26
  your mind because when you're looking at a shot, that's
• 2:06:29
  all you can think of when you're executing.
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 1: It gives you a couple of– it's interesting. Like with tennis,
• 2:06:35
  if you're much better than somebody, you can't really play
• 2:06:37
  with somebody. It doesn't work. You can give them sort
• 2:06:40
  of the equivalent of strokes, right? But it's not the same.
• 2:06:43
  With golf, you can play with a lousy guy and
• 2:06:45
  give him a stroke a hole or two strokes a
• 2:06:47
  hole or something. You know, it's a good handicapping sport.
• 2:06:49
  But it gives me a little exercise. But I haven't
• 2:06:51
  played in a long time. I won a lot. I
• 2:06:54
  won 32 club championships.
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 2: Didn't you play right after you got shot? No.
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 1: What I did is I played with Bryson DeChambeau. Do
• 2:07:04
  you know Bryson? Yes. The pro. He's a great player.
• 2:07:08
  And we played– it was a certain thing that we
• 2:07:10
  played I guess called breaking 50 or something. 50 would
• 2:07:13
  play from a certain tee and if you can break 50.
• 2:07:17
  And it got tremendous ratings, sort of like a crazy thing.
• 2:07:20
  It got– he's a great guy.
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 2: But wasn't that like a couple of days after you
• 2:07:23
  got shot?
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I know I haven't.
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 2: That was one of the funniest things. You were on
• 2:07:28
  the golf course.
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 1: I think I did. Yeah, maybe I did. But I
• 2:07:33
  view it very interestingly. I'm running for president. Of the
• 2:07:37
  United States. To me, it's such a big deal. It's
• 2:07:39
  so important.
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 2: It's the biggest deal in the free world.
• 2:07:43
  Speaker 1: It's 100 times bigger than the Super Bowl and it's
• 2:07:46
  one person. Yeah. So you're down to two people and
• 2:07:51
  we start off at 9 billion because you have 9
• 2:07:55
  billion they say in the world. Who knows what that
• 2:07:57
  number is? But you get down to 350. million. Sadly,
• 2:08:00
  we have no idea what we have in this country,
• 2:08:02
  but let's assume it's 325, 350. And you're down to
• 2:08:06
  two people. It's the biggest thing in the world. And
• 2:08:10
  when I heard she took off yesterday and she took
• 2:08:12
  off the day before and she's going to take off
• 2:08:13
  tomorrow or the next day, I haven't taken a day
• 2:08:17
  off in 50 years. Six days. That's a long time.
• 2:08:20
  I haven't taken one day off. I don't want to
• 2:08:24
  play golf. This is too exciting. Golf is great, but
• 2:08:28
  this is too exciting. This is more exciting than anything
• 2:08:30
  you can do.
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 2: Also, it's the home stretch.
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 1: It's the home stretch. Who would take a day off?
• 2:08:36
  So we have 11 days left now. And think of it.
• 2:08:41
  So I think I've gone 54, 55 days in a row.
• 2:08:42
  No days off. And I make speeches oftentimes, you know,
• 2:08:47
  sometimes not, but I make speeches. And when you make
• 2:08:49
  a speech, and my speeches last a long time because
• 2:08:53
  of the weave, you know. I mean, I weave stories
• 2:08:54
  into it. And if you don't, if you just read
• 2:08:56
  a teleprompter, nobody's going to be very excited. You've got
• 2:08:59
  to weave it out. But you always have to, as
• 2:09:02
  you say, you always have to get right back to it. Otherwise,
• 2:09:05
  it's no good. But the weave is very, very important.
• 2:09:07
  Very few weavers around. But it's a big strain on your,
• 2:09:13
  you know, it's a big, it's a lot of work.
• 2:09:15
  It's a lot of work. You've got to be careful
• 2:09:17
  of the voice. You can lose that voice. The voice
• 2:09:19
  wasn't designed. I said today, so I made a big
• 2:09:22
  one last night. I was in Las Vegas. Big one
• 2:09:27
  the night before in Arizona. Big one. I mean, they're
• 2:09:30
  all big. There's never been anything like it in terms
• 2:09:34
  of crowd. Never been close. Never been close. They say,
• 2:09:37
  he talks about, the crowd says, you know what's very interesting?
• 2:09:41
  So we get crowds that are, really big. And I say,
• 2:09:46
  you know, I've never had a story because I don't
• 2:09:49
  get good press. I don't think I've had a good
• 2:09:51
  story in years. I really don't. I swear, I don't
• 2:09:53
  think you were talking about it a little bit with Oprah.
• 2:09:56
  Everybody loved me. I became president of the United States.
• 2:10:01
  I did great the second time. I did much better.
• 2:10:04
  I don't want to get you in any disputes, but
• 2:10:08
  I won that second election so easy and not just because.
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 2: But let me get to that. I want to talk
• 2:10:12
  to you about that.
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 1: But here's the thing. I did that and now I've
• 2:10:15
  gotten the nomination again. And don't forget, to get these nominations,
• 2:10:19
  you go against very smart people. Ron DeSantis was hot.
• 2:10:22
  Got to go through him. Nikki Haley was hot. Got
• 2:10:25
  to go through her. Went through everybody. Record time, right?
• 2:10:30
  Record time. I got three nominations in a row. Won
• 2:10:35
  the first time. Did much better the second time. I
• 2:10:37
  get– millions of votes more the second time. And now
• 2:10:40
  I'm doing it a third time. And it's an incredible thing.
• 2:10:44
  I never get a good story. I only get bad press. Now,
• 2:10:48
  I will say this. It's a lot easier if you're
• 2:10:50
  a Democrat. If I were a Democrat … You'd get
• 2:10:53
  a lot of positive press. I would get a lot
• 2:10:54
  of positive press. Yeah.
• 2:10:55
  Speaker 2: No, it's a creepy corrupt business and the media to
• 2:10:59
  a large extent acts as a propaganda arm for the
• 2:11:01
  Democratic Party.
• 2:11:02
  Speaker 1: It's not even believable. Yeah.
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 2: It's bizarre to watch and most young people I think
• 2:11:09
  are aware of it. I think most boomers still unfortunately
• 2:11:12
  read the newspapers and believe in CNN.
• 2:11:14
  Speaker 1: But it's getting younger. Yes.
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 2: Let me tell you.
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 1: It's getting for us, for a contributor. And, you know,
• 2:11:20
  I don't even– But you know why that is? I
• 2:11:21
  consider myself a person.
• 2:11:22
  Speaker 2: It's the internet. It's because the internet is giving people
• 2:11:24
  information that they're not getting from anywhere else. And like
• 2:11:27
  the very fine people hoax. The Russiagate hoax, all these
• 2:11:30
  different things that they've done, they tried to pin on you.
• 2:11:33
  It's a clear distortion of what you actually said.
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 1: The bloodbath hoax.
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 1: I was talking about the auto industry. It's a bloodbath
• 2:11:42
  because Japan and China are taking our auto– And I said,
• 2:11:47
  it's a bloodbath. They said, oh, he used the word bloodbath.
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 2: He said, if you don't win, it's going to be
• 2:11:51
  a bloodbath because they're.
• 2:11:52
  Speaker 1: Going to take over. That's exactly what you said. It's
• 2:11:53
  a terrible thing they do.
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 2: But that's the problem with propagandists because they take things
• 2:11:58
  out of context and ultimately what they do is they
• 2:12:00
  diminish their own credibility because people don't want to listen
• 2:12:03
  to them anymore because they see that they've done that
• 2:12:05
  and they recognize what's going on and they feel insulted.
• 2:12:08
  They're intelligent.
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 1: Well, look at the ratings. You know, shows like yours.
• 2:12:13
  So I have a son who's very smart and tall, barren. Right?
• 2:12:17
  And he knows all about you. He knows about guys
• 2:12:20
  I never heard of. He said, Dad, you don't know
• 2:12:23
  how big they are. They're big. I said, who the
• 2:12:26
  hell is he? Like Ross. He said, Dad, he's a
• 2:12:30
  great guy. I mean, guys that are doing it. It's
• 2:12:33
  a whole new world out there.
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 2: It's a different world.
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 1: I'm on TikTok now.
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 2: Congratulations.
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 1: And I've done really well. But you know the crazy?
• 2:12:41
  Have you seen the numbers? Billions? Like Billions of hits.
• 2:12:45
  It's crazy. I'm sure.
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 2: TikTok's a wild application.
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 1: And I've gone up 30 points. A Republican is always
• 2:12:52
  down 30 with young people. I'm plus 30. And I'm
• 2:12:56
  on TikTok.
• 2:12:57
  Speaker 2: I think young people are rejecting a lot of this
• 2:13:01
  woke bullshit. Young people are tired of being yelled at
• 2:13:04
  and scolded. They're tired of these people that they think
• 2:13:07
  are mentally ill. Telling them what the moral standards of
• 2:13:10
  society should be today. People are upset.
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 1: There's a big difference now. But even in just a
• 2:13:15
  couple of years, I was shaking hands with people. They're
• 2:13:18
  young people.
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 2: The rebels are Republicans now. They're like, you want to
• 2:13:22
  be a rebel? You want to be punk rock? You
• 2:13:24
  want to like buck the system? You're a conservative now.
• 2:13:27
  That's how crazy. And then the liberals are now pro-democracy.
• 2:13:32
  They're pro-silencing criticism. They're pro-censorship online. They're talking about regulating
• 2:13:40
  free speech and regulating the First Amendment. It's bananas to watch.
• 2:13:44
  Speaker 1: Joe, they come after their political opponent. I got more guys.
• 2:13:49
  I always say, you know, I kid, but I'm not kidding.
• 2:13:52
  I've been investigated more than Alphonse Capone. He was the
• 2:13:55
  meanest of them all. He'd kill you in two seconds
• 2:13:57
  if he didn't like you, right? I've been under investigation.
• 2:14:01
  More than Alphonse Capone. Only because it's political opponent stuff.
• 2:14:05
  And I've won. I won the big case in Florida.
• 2:14:08
  I'm winning the other stuff. You win. But you know
• 2:14:11
  what they did? They did something that's only done in
• 2:14:13
  third world countries. They came after their political opponent. Yes.
• 2:14:16
  I could have put Crooked Hillary in jail.
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 2: Well, not only that, but they're now weaponizing it by
• 2:14:20
  saying that that's what you're going to do once you
• 2:14:23
  get in office.
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 1: Isn't it great?
• 2:14:24
  Speaker 2: By ignoring what they're doing right now. It's crazy.
• 2:14:27
  Speaker 1: I heard it today. Somebody was defending me today. They said, no, that's.
• 2:14:31
  They say, that's what you're doing to him. They're going,
• 2:14:34
  he's going to put us in jail. He's going to invest.
• 2:14:37
  Speaker 2: That's what you're doing.
• 2:14:38
  Speaker 1: That's what you're doing to him. Yeah. A lot of
• 2:14:40
  people say, will you do that? Will you do that
• 2:14:43
  to him, to them if you win? The presidency has
• 2:14:46
  tremendous power. I could have put crooked Hillary in jail.
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 2: I respected that you didn't because what you said was
• 2:14:52
  it would be bad for the country.
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 1: No, I couldn't even imagine you have. First of all,
• 2:14:56
  Secretary of State, but more importantly, the wife of the
• 2:14:59
  president of the United States of America going into jail.
• 2:15:03
  And if you ever saw when I'd say something about her,
• 2:15:06
  they'd all say, I didn't say it. I never said it.
• 2:15:08
  They say, lock her up, lock her. And I'd always go,
• 2:15:11
  take it easy. Just relax. We're going to win this thing.
• 2:15:13
  Take it easy. Take it easy. And I'm telling you,
• 2:15:16
  I kept it down. Just the opposite. Now they say, oh,
• 2:15:18
  Trump wanted to put her in jail. No, I saved
• 2:15:21
  her from going to jail. They had more stuff on her.
• 2:15:24
  And Comey had it. Because when Comey got up, and
• 2:15:28
  he stupidly, because he's a stupid guy too, he goes,
• 2:15:30
  he's a stupid son of a bitch. He got up, Joe,
• 2:15:34
  he got up, and instead of saying she's innocent of
• 2:15:37
  all charges, he went over each charge. And each charge
• 2:15:41
  was a killer. And he'd go, and as far as
• 2:15:44
  her doing this, she's innocent. And this, and then she's
• 2:15:49
  only an unfair prosecutor. But every time you heard these charges...
• 2:15:55
  They sounded so bad. They were bad. And all it
• 2:15:59
  was is he wanted more airtime. If he would have
• 2:16:01
  gone up and said, I've thoroughly investigated Hillary Clinton and
• 2:16:07
  she's done nothing that we feel is wrong, it would
• 2:16:10
  have ended. Instead, he wanted to be up there because
• 2:16:13
  he's a PR hound. He's a hog. And he starts
• 2:16:17
  going through. And you know what he had? They had
• 2:16:19
  a huge problem because FBI is great. The people there,
• 2:16:23
  not the top people, the people, the real people, the
• 2:16:27
  people that work there. It's like the real generals that
• 2:16:28
  I told you about that defeated ISIS in record time.
• 2:16:32
  The FBI guys are great. I'll bet you I'd be
• 2:16:34
  at 95 percent in the FBI.
• 2:16:36
  Speaker 2: I bet that's right.
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 1: Underneath.
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:16:40
  Speaker 1: And so here's the thing. So he goes with Hillary
• 2:16:42
  and instead of just saying he goes through each charge.
• 2:16:45
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:16:46
  Speaker 1: And. Even I would say, man, those are bad charges.
• 2:16:49
  Speaker 2: Sounds terrible because it's associating her with those charges.
• 2:16:52
  Speaker 1: Don't forget, this is before I got there. Right. Now,
• 2:16:54
  he was trying to protect her. But he did her
• 2:16:56
  a great disservice. Because he wanted attention. He was stupid.
• 2:16:59
  Speaker 2: So I want to talk about 2020 because you said
• 2:17:02
  over and over again that you were robbed in 2020.
• 2:17:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, totally.
• 2:17:06
  Speaker 2: How do you think you were robbed? Everybody always cuts
• 2:17:09
  you off.
• 2:17:10
  Speaker 1: I'm going to allow— That election was so crooked. It
• 2:17:23
  was the most crooked election.
• 2:17:24
  Speaker 2: OK, but give me some examples of how.
• 2:17:26
  Speaker 1: Well, let's start. Let's start at the top and the
• 2:17:28
  easy ones. OK. They were supposed to get legislative approval
• 2:17:32
  to do the things they did and they didn't get it.
• 2:17:35
  In many cases, they didn't get it.
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 2: What things?
• 2:17:38
  Speaker 1: Anything. Legislative approval. Like for extensions of the voting, for
• 2:17:42
  voting earlier, for this, all different things. By law, they
• 2:17:46
  had to get legislative approvals. You don't have to go
• 2:17:49
  any further than that. than that. If you take a
• 2:17:51
  look at Wisconsin, they virtually admitted that the election was rigged,
• 2:17:58
  robbed and stolen. They wouldn't give access in certain areas
• 2:18:03
  to the ballots because the ballots weren't signed. They weren't originals.
• 2:18:09
  They were. We could go into this stuff. We could
• 2:18:11
  go into the ballots or we could go into the overall.
• 2:18:14
  I'll give you another one.
• 2:18:14
  Speaker 2: Are you going to present this ever? Like do you think.
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 1: Let me just give you one more before. Fifty-one intelligence
• 2:18:25
  agents come up that the laptop was from Russia. It
• 2:18:31
  turned out to be totally false.
• 2:18:32
  Speaker 2: Fifty-one former intelligence agents, right?
• 2:18:34
  Speaker 1: They say that made– I don't believe it's this much
• 2:18:37
  but it doesn't have to. I won by like– I
• 2:18:40
  lost by like– I didn't lose. But they say I
• 2:18:43
  lost– Joe, they say I lost by 22,000 votes. That's
• 2:18:47
  like one-tenth of 1 percent less than that. It's a
• 2:18:50
  tiny little thing. 22,000 votes spread over– that spread over
• 2:18:55
  this period. So 51 intelligence agents lied. They lied. They lied.
• 2:19:02
  They knew it was. It was Hunter's. It was from
• 2:19:05
  his bed. It was Hunter's laptop. They said it was
• 2:19:08
  created by Russia. Russia, Russia. It was the Russia hoax.
• 2:19:13
  The Russia hoax was a big hoax. It was all
• 2:19:15
  a big hoax.
• 2:19:16
  Speaker 2: Well, that's clear. That's one example.
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 1: But that is a good example.
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 2: But that's a big example.
• 2:19:19
  Speaker 1: They say it made a 17-point difference. That's a big example.
• 2:19:23
  But that's only one. And you can go into the
• 2:19:26
  ballots where they wouldn't give you access to the ballots.
• 2:19:29
  You could go into the ballot harvesting. You could go
• 2:19:32
  into $ 500 million for the lockboxes.
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 2: But just in terms of narrative, so there's two things, right?
• 2:19:38
  There's the Russia hoax. There's the collusion with Russia that
• 2:19:41
  was never proven, right?
• 2:19:43
  Speaker 1: Well, it was proven it didn't happen.
• 2:19:45
  Speaker 2: Right, right. But they talked about.
• 2:19:47
  Speaker 1: It on television. But it took two and a half
• 2:19:49
  years to prove.
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 2: But not only that, but it was a constant narrative
• 2:19:52
  on television. That's a constant narrative that gets into people's minds,
• 2:19:56
  especially low information people that just watch the news, that
• 2:19:59
  you're in collusion with Russia. So that's one. So that
• 2:20:01
  changes the narrative. And then you have the 51 former
• 2:20:04
  intelligence agents that work with the original Twitter and get
• 2:20:08
  them to remove links. You can't share it on DMs.
• 2:20:11
  You cannot share that story. They swept that story because
• 2:20:15
  they said it was Russian disinformation even though they knew
• 2:20:18
  it was not. So that's two examples. That are real examples. Now,
• 2:20:23
  anyone who considers himself a legitimate, objective observer of American politics,
• 2:20:29
  if you really want the best person to win, you
• 2:20:31
  would want people to not lie. And the only reason
• 2:20:36
  why they got away with this lie was because they
• 2:20:38
  continually labeled you as this horrible threat to democracy and Hitler.
• 2:20:43
  They kept saying you're going to be a dictator, ignoring
• 2:20:45
  the fact that you weren't a dictator for the four years.
• 2:20:48
  Speaker 1: Correct. Well, you're actually the president. I was actually the
• 2:20:50
  opposite of a dictator. I was a very straight guy.
• 2:20:53
  But look, those three things, you take those three things.
• 2:20:56
  Each one of them by themselves causes the result to
• 2:20:59
  be different. It does. And then you can go into
• 2:21:01
  a hundred other things. There are so many. We can't
• 2:21:05
  have corrupt elections and we can't have open borders. You
• 2:21:09
  need to have a country. You need borders. You need
• 2:21:12
  fair elections. And I'll tell you the other thing you need.
• 2:21:15
  Is you need a free and fair press. One of
• 2:21:18
  the things I like about doing a show like this–
• 2:21:20
  can you imagine Kamala doing this show?
• 2:21:23
  Speaker 2: I could imagine her doing this show.
• 2:21:24
  Speaker 1: She'd be laying on the floor.
• 2:21:26
  Speaker 2: She was supposed to do it and she might still
• 2:21:28
  do it and I hope she does.
• 2:21:29
  Speaker 1: She's not going to do it.
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 2: I will talk to her like a human being. I
• 2:21:31
  would try to have a conversation with her.
• 2:21:32
  Speaker 1: If she did this kind of an interview with you,
• 2:21:35
  I hope she does because it would be a mess.
• 2:21:37
  She'd be laying on the floor comatose. You'd be saying,
• 2:21:40
  call in the medics.
• 2:21:41
  Speaker 2: I think we'd have a fine conversation. I think I'd
• 2:21:44
  be able to talk to her. I wouldn't try to
• 2:21:45
  interview her. I'd just try to have a conversation with
• 2:21:47
  her and hopefully get to know her as a human being.
• 2:21:49
  That was my goal, having her on, trying to get
• 2:21:52
  her to express herself just as a human being. I
• 2:21:53
  don't know if these– I don't think these formats are good.
• 2:21:57
  I don't think that two people– first of all, I
• 2:21:59
  hate the idea of the presidential debates because I hate
• 2:22:02
  the idea of a time limitation on complex ideas. Also,
• 2:22:05
  you have to break– I think you have to have
• 2:22:07
  the debates.
• 2:22:08
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:22:08
  Speaker 2: But the way they do the debates I think is
• 2:22:10
  the wrong way to do it. I think they should
• 2:22:11
  have a conversation. I think you and Kamala, you sit
• 2:22:15
  across the table with no one in the room but
• 2:22:17
  the two of you. Of course you're not going to
• 2:22:20
  shout at each other. Of course you're not going to
• 2:22:21
  insult each other.
• 2:22:22
  Speaker 1: I mean it may get– they used to do it
• 2:22:24
  that way.
• 2:22:24
  Speaker 2: Hopefully it wouldn't, but that would be the way to
• 2:22:26
  do it.
• 2:22:27
  Speaker 1: They used to do it that way.
• 2:22:28
  Speaker 2: To put cameras on you with no one interfering with
• 2:22:33
  checking whether or not it's factual, especially when it's biased
• 2:22:37
  because they checked you all those times and they didn't
• 2:22:39
  check her with clearly things that were inaccurate, right? So
• 2:22:43
  have two people just have a conversation with you without
• 2:22:46
  a time constraint. And also this idea they cut off
• 2:22:50
  the microphone.
• 2:22:51
  Speaker 1: No crowd. No crowd.
• 2:22:53
  Speaker 2: Crazy too because you're good at working a crowd.
• 2:22:54
  Speaker 1: I would rather have a crowd.
• 2:22:56
  Speaker 2: Of course you would. You're good at crowds.
• 2:22:57
  Speaker 1: But I had no– so they gave me an alternative.
• 2:23:00
  I don't think he wanted to debate.
• 2:23:01
  Speaker 2: Why did they want no crowd?
• 2:23:03
  Speaker 1: What was the argument? Because I think they thought I
• 2:23:04
  wasn't going to accept it. So I believe what they
• 2:23:06
  wanted to do is have me not accept. So they
• 2:23:09
  gave me a deal I couldn't refuse and I said
• 2:23:12
  I'll do it. OK? It's like the mob.
• 2:23:15
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:23:15
  Speaker 1: I'll take it. So they came to me. They said,
• 2:23:19
  we'll debate Joe Biden. That thing got tremendous ratings too.
• 2:23:23
  That was crazy. But we'll debate Joe Biden. But you
• 2:23:26
  can't have a crowd. They also wanted sitting down. I said,
• 2:23:30
  that's the only thing. I said, look, you got to
• 2:23:32
  stand up. You can't really sit down. In the old days,
• 2:23:34
  they did sit down a little bit.
• 2:23:36
  Speaker 2: But he gets tired.
• 2:23:37
  Speaker 1: You got to stand up. And they agreed to it.
• 2:23:39
  It was a very tough thing. It almost killed it.
• 2:23:42
  They wanted to have like desks where we sit. I said,
• 2:23:46
  I think we should stand up. And that was the
• 2:23:48
  only thing I asked for. I said, we've got to
• 2:23:49
  stand up. I thought it looked bad for like the public.
• 2:23:54
  But they said no crowd and cut off the mic.
• 2:23:58
  And I said, I can live with it. I mean,
• 2:24:00
  I can live with it. And they thought I was
• 2:24:02
  going to reject it. And then they would say he
• 2:24:04
  didn't want to debate Sleepy Joe. Right. That's what they thought.
• 2:24:07
  Speaker 2: Well, they tried to say that with you and Kamala
• 2:24:09
  as well. They tried to say that you didn't want
• 2:24:10
  to debate her as well.
• 2:24:12
  Speaker 1: No, by the way, with her, number one, I'm leading.
• 2:24:14
  Number two, you know, they also said it with the primary.
• 2:24:18
  So I had like 10, 12 guys, right, in the primary.
• 2:24:22
  No stupid guys. I mean, they're governors and they're senators.
• 2:24:25
  They're not stupid people. Some are stupid, but not all
• 2:24:27
  of them. And all my guys said, you have to
• 2:24:30
  be in the debate. I said, why? I'm leading by
• 2:24:33
  74 points. The closest guy to me, I'm like 60 points,
• 2:24:37
  70 points higher. Why would I stand there like an
• 2:24:41
  idiot for two hours and let every one of them
• 2:24:44
  scream at me? I'm going to be the focus. Right.
• 2:24:47
  And I said, I'm not debating. And it was a
• 2:24:48
  very smart thing because, you know, it was– they just
• 2:24:51
  killed themselves. The Republican primaries. Yeah, the Republican primaries. With–
• 2:24:57
  I like debating. I think you have to debate. But
• 2:25:00
  it has to be fair. I like debating like the
• 2:25:03
  Rosie O'Donnell debate. I like debating when you have a–
• 2:25:06
  remember the Rosie O'Donnell? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:25:08
  Speaker 2: It was very funny. Megan Kelly.
• 2:25:08
  Speaker 1: It was a crazy thing. Megan– That was a hell
• 2:25:10
  of a question, man. If I didn't come up with
• 2:25:13
  that answer. It was a great line. Well, what it
• 2:25:15
  was is, you know, that was, we had 28,000 people.
• 2:25:18
  That was the Cleveland arena where the Cavaliers played.
• 2:25:21
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:25:21
  Speaker 1: LeBron James. I'm not a big fan of LeBron James,
• 2:25:23
  but he is a good basketball player. But, you know,
• 2:25:26
  that was the, and when I said that, that place
• 2:25:29
  went crazy. And she kept talking. No, she had like
• 2:25:33
  10 other. Yeah.
• 2:25:34
  Speaker 2: Well, Megan said, you said it to other people and
• 2:25:35
  you admitted you did, but it was funny. It was
• 2:25:38
  a comedic timing moment.
• 2:25:39
  Speaker 1: It was fine. That's what they wanted to avoid. It
• 2:25:41
  was lucky I did it because she was– oh, she
• 2:25:45
  wasn't finished. That question– but she kept talking. But you
• 2:25:47
  couldn't hear. To this day, they don't know what she said.
• 2:25:50
  But it wasn't positive. So anyway, but we had a
• 2:25:52
  good time.
• 2:25:53
  Speaker 2: It's comedic timing and that's the reason why to have
• 2:25:55
  a debate in front of a large audience.
• 2:25:57
  Speaker 1: Well, how did I do with the Al Smith dinner?
• 2:25:59
  I got very good reviews on that.
• 2:26:00
  Speaker 2: That was great. Very funny. Very funny stuff. The Tim
• 2:26:03
  Wall stuff was very funny.
• 2:26:04
  Speaker 1: Tim Wall, yeah.
• 2:26:06
  Speaker 2: It's funny.
• 2:26:06
  Speaker 1: That's a real beauty.
• 2:26:07
  Speaker 2: That's a crazy one. She said that she had picked him,
• 2:26:10
  and this is one of the questions I want to
• 2:26:11
  ask her, when she was sleep-deprived. She said she was
• 2:26:15
  suffering from sleep deprivation when she picked him, which.
• 2:26:17
  Speaker 1: Is just– Hey, maybe take a nap. So I was– OK, look.
• 2:26:21
  Let's see how it all turns out. I think we're
• 2:26:22
  going to win. I think we're way ahead now. I
• 2:26:24
  think we're way ahead. But– Can I bring you back
• 2:26:28
  to 2020? I think they're going to look at two things.
• 2:26:32
  They're going to say they should have had a primary
• 2:26:34
  even if it was a short primary. They shouldn't have
• 2:26:36
  picked her. And then she's going to say I shouldn't
• 2:26:38
  have picked this guy.
• 2:26:38
  Speaker 2: She shouldn't have picked that guy.
• 2:26:39
  Speaker 1: That guy is a disaster.
• 2:26:41
  Speaker 2: The lying about Tiananmen Square.
• 2:26:43
  Speaker 1: Everything.
• 2:26:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the military record, assistant coach versus head coach.
• 2:26:48
  Speaker 1: Little things. So I did McDonald's last week. I saw that.
• 2:26:51
  And I actually got a call from your friends at Google,
• 2:26:54
  from Sundar. That's pretty good, right? He said this is
• 2:26:56
  the biggest thing we've had in years.
• 2:26:59
  Speaker 2: You at McDonald's?
• 2:27:00
  Speaker 1: At McDonald's. Did you know that? It was one of
• 2:27:02
  the– It was funny. Who's a great guy, by the way.
• 2:27:05
  But he said, this McDonald's thing, I want to tell you,
• 2:27:08
  it's one of the biggest things we've ever had on Google.
• 2:27:11
  It just hit. But the reason I did– and I
• 2:27:14
  actually– you never know about this stuff. I thought it
• 2:27:16
  was a throwaway. I didn't think our conversation is a throwaway.
• 2:27:19
  But I thought that was– I thought I'd walk in.
• 2:27:21
  And that was only to highlight the fact– and I
• 2:27:24
  have a friend. He owns like 56 of these McDonald's.
• 2:27:26
  And he said, do you want to use one? I said, yeah,
• 2:27:28
  I love it. So we went there and the crowd
• 2:27:31
  was crazy. You know, they had 28,000 people around. The
• 2:27:34
  whole thing. Did you see the outside? It was crazy.
• 2:27:36
  The cars couldn't get through. Secret Service was not exactly thrilled.
• 2:27:40
  We had no idea what the hell. But I went
• 2:27:42
  into the place and I did the French fry thing.
• 2:27:45
  And it just hit. But that's like in life. Sometimes
• 2:27:49
  you do. I thought it was like a quick throwaway.
• 2:27:51
  We're going to be there for 15 minutes. Then I said,
• 2:27:53
  I've worked here for 15 minutes, which is 15 minutes
• 2:27:56
  more than she worked here. She lied about McDonald's.
• 2:28:00
  Speaker 2: And, you know– Is that proven that she never worked
• 2:28:03
  at McDonald's?
• 2:28:04
  Speaker 1: Well, McDonald's has no information. She has no information. There's
• 2:28:08
  nobody– the manager said she never worked there. It was
• 2:28:11
  a certain place and he said they never– no, she lied.
• 2:28:14
  She's a liar. You know what they do? They'll say
• 2:28:17
  like on any one of the questions, take any– they'll
• 2:28:20
  say it's the exact opposite of what I say, IVF.
• 2:28:25
  He's against IVF, fertilization. Right. And it's the exact opposite.
• 2:28:30
  I came out immediately strongly in favor. And they do ads.
• 2:28:35
  I'm against it. It's wrong. On every single topic. And,
• 2:28:40
  you know, she changed policies on 15. I've never seen
• 2:28:43
  a guy change, anybody change on more than one. You know,
• 2:28:46
  you can maybe get away with one. Her whole life, fracking,
• 2:28:50
  every single thing that she was for. The confiscation of guns.
• 2:28:55
  She wants to confiscate. Now she's saying everybody should have
• 2:28:57
  a gun. In fact, we're going to get her a
• 2:28:59
  MAGA cap. I'm going to send her a MAGA cap.
• 2:29:01
  But she's changed. And I don't think people are buying it.
• 2:29:05
  I don't think people are buying it.
• 2:29:06
  Speaker 2: Well, some people are buying it because they want to
• 2:29:08
  buy it because it's blue no matter who. There's a
• 2:29:10
  certain percentage of our population that's going to vote Democrat
• 2:29:13
  no matter what.
• 2:29:14
  Speaker 1: That's true.
• 2:29:14
  Speaker 2: They're pressured. There's their community, their ideology. It's left is good,
• 2:29:19
  right is evil.
• 2:29:20
  Speaker 1: I don't understand why. OK, you have. a wall, or
• 2:29:24
  you have a... You know, I built 570 miles of wall.
• 2:29:27
  I built a lot of wall. Exactly the stuff. But
• 2:29:31
  you have a border. What I don't understand is, who
• 2:29:35
  would want people to come into our country from places unknown?
• 2:29:39
  Like sometimes they'll say about a fighter. From parts unknown, right?
• 2:29:43
  Remember Haystack's Cajun. From parts... The oldest. Those are the oldest.
• 2:29:48
  That's even before you. But who would want people to
• 2:29:52
  come in pouring into our country. We don't know anything
• 2:29:57
  about it.
• 2:29:58
  Speaker 2: But that's– I want to ask you this. Why do
• 2:29:59
  you think they're doing that? I think because– Do you
• 2:30:01
  think they're trying to buy votes?
• 2:30:03
  Speaker 1: Do you think they just want cheap labor?
• 2:30:05
  Speaker 2: Like what is– what's the idea?
• 2:30:07
  Speaker 1: There's a couple of theories. They hate our country. They're
• 2:30:10
  stupid or they want to buy votes. It's one of
• 2:30:13
  those three things. Yeah. They want– now they are trying
• 2:30:15
  to get people registered who don't even know what the
• 2:30:18
  country is.
• 2:30:18
  Speaker 2: And they're trying to give people amnesty, people that live here.
• 2:30:20
  They're trying to give them amnesty.
• 2:30:21
  Speaker 1: They want to give them citizenship or they want to–
• 2:30:24
  And if you.
• 2:30:24
  Speaker 2: Think about the amount of money that they've given them
• 2:30:27
  when they've come here, the food stamps, the benefits that
• 2:30:29
  even our poor people aren't getting.
• 2:30:31
  Speaker 1: $ 200 billion, and that's a way low number. That's a
• 2:30:35
  way low. You know, it's interesting. New York has always
• 2:30:37
  been like, you know, sort of like always looking for money.
• 2:30:42
  They've spent $ 100 billion on this stuff. I don't know
• 2:30:45
  where they, and they're not getting the money from the
• 2:30:47
  federal government. It's crazy. And because the mayor came out
• 2:30:52
  and said, We can't live like this.
• 2:30:55
  Speaker 2: They investigated him.
• 2:30:57
  Speaker 1: By the way, I called it. I said he just
• 2:31:00
  got himself indicted. This group is stupid, but they're vicious.
• 2:31:04
  They're stupid people, but they're vicious people.
• 2:31:07
  Speaker 2: The 2020 elections, you say you have all this evidence
• 2:31:11
  that it was rigged. Why haven't you put this evidence
• 2:31:14
  in a consumable form?
• 2:31:16
  Speaker 1: Oh, I did. I have books on it. And by
• 2:31:19
  the way, books have been written on it. We have
• 2:31:23
  an author named Hemingway who is a great writer. She
• 2:31:27
  wrote a book on it. But many books have been
• 2:31:29
  written on it. There are books that are– what's happened
• 2:31:33
  is judges don't want to touch it. They would say
• 2:31:37
  you don't have standing. They didn't rule on the merits.
• 2:31:39
  The merits never got there. The judges didn't have what
• 2:31:46
  it took. To turn over an election.
• 2:31:48
  Speaker 2: Let's talk about the potential vulnerabilities for elections and election fraud.
• 2:31:52
  One of them is mail-in ballots. The other one is
• 2:31:56
  the– if someone can break into voting machines, if someone
• 2:32:00
  can hack voting machines. Those are two huge ones. So
• 2:32:04
  Elon Musk.
• 2:32:05
  Speaker 1: Elon Musk. I think he said it publicly. I hope
• 2:32:08
  he did because I wouldn't want to be the one.
• 2:32:10
  But he's a really smart guy. And he's a very
• 2:32:13
  good guy with computers, right? You'd say he's– He's one
• 2:32:16
  of the smartest people alive. Anybody that can land that
• 2:32:18
  20-story building and perfect and.
• 2:32:21
  Speaker 2: While he's doing Starlink, while he's doing Tesla, while he
• 2:32:24
  owns Twitter.
• 2:32:25
  Speaker 1: And then he agrees to Starlink.
• 2:32:26
  Speaker 2: And he tweets 100 times a day.
• 2:32:28
  Speaker 1: He's an amazing guy. Yeah. He said to me that
• 2:32:32
  unless you have paper ballots, it can never be an
• 2:32:35
  honest election. That's a big statement.
• 2:32:37
  Speaker 2: It's a big statement.
• 2:32:38
  Speaker 1: We should go to paper ballots. You know, France did.
• 2:32:41
  They went to mail-in voting, and it was all messed up.
• 2:32:45
  You know the amazing thing with the machines? So we
• 2:32:47
  have the machines. They cost 10 times more. A paper
• 2:32:50
  ballot would cost 8%. And they make paper ballots. They're
• 2:32:53
  all watermarked and everything else. They're very sophisticated. But if
• 2:32:57
  you take a look, paper ballots, 8% the cost, and
• 2:33:02
  you're done by 9 o'clock in the evening, right? Now
• 2:33:05
  we have these sophisticated machines. It goes up to heaven.
• 2:33:08
  It goes all over the place and down and around.
• 2:33:11
  And they say we'll need two weeks to figure out
• 2:33:13
  who the hell won the election.
• 2:33:14
  Speaker 2: Do you think that's by design?
• 2:33:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I do. I think I think it's very crooked.
• 2:33:18
  That's my opinion. You're allowed to have an opinion.
• 2:33:20
  Speaker 2: What could let's say you win in November. What can
• 2:33:24
  be done to mitigate these problems? What could be done
• 2:33:27
  at a you know, at the level that the president
• 2:33:30
  has power?
• 2:33:31
  Speaker 1: Well, if I win, that'll be this will be my
• 2:33:33
  last election. But I think I owe it to the country. Yeah.
• 2:33:37
  But I think I owe it to the country. We
• 2:33:39
  have to have fair elections.
• 2:33:41
  Speaker 2: So how can you fix that?
• 2:33:42
  Speaker 1: You know, Jimmy Carter was in charge of a commission,
• 2:33:45
  you know, that many years ago. And they put him
• 2:33:48
  and Scoop Jackson and various senators, you know, distinguished people
• 2:33:51
  that were retired. And they came up with a report.
• 2:33:55
  And the report's primary finding was you cannot have mail-in
• 2:33:59
  ballots because if it's a mail-in ballot, You know, I
• 2:34:03
  went to the voting booth the last time, whatever it was,
• 2:34:06
  and I walked in in Palm Beach and I walk
• 2:34:08
  in and they know me. They say, Mr. President, could
• 2:34:12
  I see your identity? Yes. Boom. Here's this. Here's that. Everything.
• 2:34:16
  And then you sit and you they watch you sign
• 2:34:18
  and you really there's not a lot you can do.
• 2:34:21
  I mean, if you wanted to be dishonest, it's sort
• 2:34:23
  of beautiful.
• 2:34:24
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:34:24
  Speaker 1: If instead of that, I'm going to send them a ballot. Right.
• 2:34:29
  It has to go through the postal services. It has
• 2:34:31
  to go through a lot of people. They mail you
• 2:34:34
  houses that, you know, the house was demolished and the
• 2:34:37
  people have left. It's so bad. The one thing with
• 2:34:41
  Jimmy Carter, he had a very strong commission. No mail-in ballots.
• 2:34:47
  And we're the only one that does elections this way anymore.
• 2:34:50
  They've gotten away from it.
• 2:34:51
  Speaker 2: And this is– it ticked up in a big way
• 2:34:53
  after COVID. It used to be like soldiers serving overseas.
• 2:34:56
  Speaker 1: They used COVID to cheat. Yeah.
• 2:34:57
  Speaker 2: Well, they used COVID to certainly push this mail-in ballot.
• 2:35:00
  Speaker 1: Another thing that they– But they used COVID to cheat.
• 2:35:04
  Speaker 2: But here's another one.
• 2:35:04
  Speaker 1: And the last election was a little bit of a–
• 2:35:07
  you couldn't even get security guys, big, strong guys to watch.
• 2:35:11
  You know what? You'd call them. They'd call them and
• 2:35:13
  they'd say, they were afraid to go out. We were
• 2:35:16
  in the middle of COVID. We were in the middle
• 2:35:19
  of COVID, right smack in the middle. And they didn't
• 2:35:22
  want to die. You know, they didn't want to catch it.
• 2:35:25
  It was like, in a way, it was like a
• 2:35:28
  ghost town. And the whole thing, but mail-in ballots are
• 2:35:32
  a bad thing.
• 2:35:34
  Speaker 2: That certainly is a problem. Mail-in ballots are a problem.
• 2:35:37
  Speaker 1: Another problem is voter ID.
• 2:35:40
  Speaker 2: Voter ID is the most bizarre argument that I've never
• 2:35:43
  seen anybody articulate in a way that's convincing. Because they
• 2:35:47
  want to cheat. Well, it doesn't make sense any other way.
• 2:35:50
  I've tried to strawman it or I've tried to steelman
• 2:35:53
  it rather. I've tried to like look at it from
• 2:35:55
  a position like why would you not want people to
• 2:35:58
  have ID? And a lot of the ideas are just ridiculous.
• 2:36:02
  You need an ID to get a driver's license.
• 2:36:04
  Speaker 1: But here's now the next step. Gavin Newsom, one of
• 2:36:07
  the worst governors in the world. And I used to frankly,
• 2:36:11
  I used to get along, but I don't get along
• 2:36:12
  with him because he's just too, you know, it's just
• 2:36:15
  a whole con job. But Gavin Newsom the other day
• 2:36:18
  signed a bill. That you are not allowed to ask
• 2:36:22
  a person, even ask them whether or not they have
• 2:36:25
  voter ID.
• 2:36:26
  Speaker 2: Now, what could be a charitable reason why anybody would
• 2:36:28
  want that?
• 2:36:28
  Speaker 1: Because they want to cheat.
• 2:36:30
  Speaker 2: That would be the only thing that makes sense.
• 2:36:31
  Speaker 1: But that's taking it to the next level. Right. Now,
• 2:36:35
  you know, you have ID. The Democrat National Convention, when
• 2:36:38
  they had it the last time I saw, they had
• 2:36:40
  a sign like a billboard of the name of the person,
• 2:36:44
  where they live, how they live, who the hell their
• 2:36:47
  boyfriends are. Every single... And a big picture, that's for there.
• 2:36:53
  They have an ID, a big ID. It was hanging
• 2:36:55
  like you were a prisoner. They had these massive cards, everything.
• 2:37:00
  And yet when it comes to the vote, in theory,
• 2:37:02
  the most important thing we do, okay, when you go
• 2:37:05
  to a grocery store, you give ID. But for a vote,
• 2:37:08
  it's supposed to be a sacred thing, and it should
• 2:37:10
  be a sacred thing. No voter ID because they want
• 2:37:14
  to cheat.
• 2:37:15
  Speaker 2: Well, it doesn't make sense in any other way. I've
• 2:37:17
  tried to look at it.
• 2:37:18
  Speaker 1: There's no other way.
• 2:37:19
  Speaker 2: There's no argument that anybody's presented that makes any sense why.
• 2:37:23
  Speaker 1: You know the funny thing, Joe? The Democrats, the people,
• 2:37:26
  they all think you should have it. In other words,
• 2:37:28
  you should have it. If you go to the people. Mrs. Schwartz, Mrs. Smith, Mr.
• 2:37:33
  and Mrs. Jones.
• 2:37:34
  Speaker 2: Sure.
• 2:37:34
  Speaker 1: They say, of course, yeah. Democrats, they say yes. It's
• 2:37:38
  the politicians that don't want it like Schumer and these guys.
• 2:37:41
  They don't want it because they want to be able
• 2:37:43
  to cheat because you know what? If they didn't have it, OK.
• 2:37:47
  Who is going to vote for somebody that wants open borders?
• 2:37:49
  Who's going to vote for somebody that wants to have
• 2:37:53
  men playing in women's sports? You know, I have never
• 2:37:56
  had one person come up to me and say, President,
• 2:37:59
  you've got to do something to allow men to play
• 2:38:02
  in women's sports. Have you ever? Just like I've never
• 2:38:05
  been called by a pollster. I told you my little
• 2:38:07
  theory on pollsters, okay? I'm getting myself in trouble with
• 2:38:10
  some of these things, but I don't really care. Nobody's
• 2:38:13
  ever come up to me and said, we want to
• 2:38:16
  have Men play in women's sports. And, you know, I
• 2:38:21
  had a funny thing at a property I own in California.
• 2:38:25
  I have a woman who's a very good athlete, and
• 2:38:28
  she works there as a manager. And Brian Urlacher, the
• 2:38:31
  big Chicago Bears, great player, you know, 10-time All-Star, I guess,
• 2:38:36
  Hall of Famer, great guy, big, strong guy. And she said, oh,
• 2:38:40
  he's one of my favorite athletes. Can I have a picture?
• 2:38:43
  And I took a picture, and I sent it. And
• 2:38:45
  I noticed she was the size of his leg. His
• 2:38:47
  leg was bigger than she was. And I put it out.
• 2:38:50
  Should men play in women's football? It was just so ridiculous.
• 2:38:55
  Speaker 2: What's one of the most bizarre and polarizing ideas that's
• 2:38:58
  promoted by the left?
• 2:38:59
  Speaker 1: But who wants it? Now, unless you're going to cheat
• 2:39:02
  in elections, you're never going to get– nobody wants it.
• 2:39:05
  I don't think anybody wants it. I've never– I've been
• 2:39:07
  told everything. Some people want this and that. I don't
• 2:39:11
  know of anybody that wants open borders. Nobody has ever
• 2:39:14
  come up to me and said, President, you've got to
• 2:39:16
  let the world come into our country. Now, if they won,
• 2:39:19
  so they have 21 million. I think it's much harder
• 2:39:21
  than that because you have gotaways. You know, gotaways where
• 2:39:23
  they just walk in. And the other thing you have
• 2:39:26
  is human traffickers. You have traffickers and they traffic in
• 2:39:29
  women and they're going wild. Now, we used to– you
• 2:39:33
  know where you have to look? The trunk of cars.
• 2:39:35
  Can you believe it? They put women in trunks. They'll
• 2:39:37
  put three women in a trunk. These people are savages.
• 2:39:40
  They're horrible. The worst people. And they're making, the kind
• 2:39:44
  of money they make on drugs, they're almost making on
• 2:39:46
  trafficking now. And the thing that's made it hot is
• 2:39:50
  the internet. That's what, you know, you think of it
• 2:39:52
  almost as an ancient thing, but it's the internet. But
• 2:39:56
  who would want to have these things? Who would want
• 2:39:58
  to have, there's so many, the transgender operations, where they're
• 2:40:02
  allowed to take your child when he goes to school
• 2:40:05
  and turn him into a male, to a female, without,
• 2:40:09
  Parental consent. Who wants this? Does anybody want this? I've
• 2:40:13
  never heard of anyone– and I can go into ten
• 2:40:15
  different things. The only way they get them is by
• 2:40:20
  no voter ID. You can't have voter ID. They don't
• 2:40:23
  want any– they want to cheat. There's only one reason
• 2:40:26
  because the voter ID is so basic. It's the most
• 2:40:30
  basic thing there is.
• 2:40:30
  Speaker 2: It's very basic.
• 2:40:32
  Speaker 1: Who would want this? They want it so they can
• 2:40:34
  cheat because their policies are no good. I'll tell you.
• 2:40:38
  They're very smart when it comes to that. They're very smart,
• 2:40:42
  although they're not smart in terms of politics in a way,
• 2:40:45
  because what do they have that people want? They really
• 2:40:49
  don't have. They give away a lot of health care,
• 2:40:50
  a lot of stuff. But for the most part, their
• 2:40:53
  policies are terrible. Their policy on military. She's running on
• 2:40:56
  a tax hike. She's going to raise your taxes. You're
• 2:40:58
  going to hear this. We are going to raise your taxes.
• 2:41:02
  And the people clap. But who is going to win
• 2:41:06
  with her? All my life I grew up with politicians,
• 2:41:09
  lower taxes. She's politicking that we are going to raise
• 2:41:14
  your taxes.
• 2:41:15
  Speaker 2: Well, they want to raise– the idea is you want
• 2:41:17
  to raise the taxes to the highest earners. I know.
• 2:41:18
  Speaker 1: But it really doesn't work that way.
• 2:41:19
  Speaker 2: They think that millionaires and billionaires are not paying their
• 2:41:22
  fair share.
• 2:41:22
  Speaker 1: But it doesn't work that way.
• 2:41:23
  Speaker 2: Well, it's a narrative. And it's a narrative that appeals
• 2:41:26
  to people that are not doing well. And they're like, yeah,
• 2:41:28
  our problems are that these rich people are not paying taxes.
• 2:41:31
  Speaker 1: Well, the problems are the rich people are going to
• 2:41:33
  leave and they're going to close up their companies and
• 2:41:35
  then the other people aren't going to have jobs. That's
• 2:41:37
  what happens.
• 2:41:38
  Speaker 2: It does happen in other countries.
• 2:41:39
  Speaker 1: But the whole– because you brought it up. I'll tell
• 2:41:42
  you what. We just– he's doing a very good job
• 2:41:45
  in Virginia, Glenn Youngkin. I don't know if you like him,
• 2:41:48
  not like him. I don't know him. Oh, you don't
• 2:41:50
  know him, the governor of Virginia? Yeah. We have a
• 2:41:53
  case where they found thousands of illegal ballots. A judge
• 2:41:58
  just ruled that they have to be able to vote.
• 2:42:01
  Just happened today. Just before I walked in here, I heard.
• 2:42:04
  A judge just ruled that you have to keep those
• 2:42:08
  people in. They're illegal. They're illegal votes. Now, I think
• 2:42:12
  they'll be overturned at the next court. One thing I found,
• 2:42:15
  because I had a couple of things that they had
• 2:42:16
  overturned a little bit, you know, the system. Because the system,
• 2:42:20
  you have to hope That the appellate judges are honest. Otherwise,
• 2:42:25
  we don't have a country anymore. It's very important. But
• 2:42:28
  the whole thing with the legal ballots has got to
• 2:42:30
  be looked at. You have to have voter ID and
• 2:42:33
  you have to have additional ID. You have to have
• 2:42:36
  an ID that shows that you're a citizen of the country.
• 2:42:38
  Speaker 2: I agree.
• 2:42:39
  Speaker 1: They don't want that either.
• 2:42:40
  Speaker 2: I agree. One of the things that I want to
• 2:42:42
  talk to you about is the JFK files. And one
• 2:42:46
  of the things that you said was that if they
• 2:42:48
  showed you What they showed me, this is your quote,
• 2:42:51
  you wouldn't want people to know it either.
• 2:42:55
  Speaker 1: So I opened them up partially. I was met with,
• 2:43:03
  from good people. I mean, you know, look, I mean,
• 2:43:05
  good people. People that were well-meaning. Mike Pompeo was one
• 2:43:09
  of them. He's a good person. They called me. They said, sir,
• 2:43:14
  would rather have you not. After, and I did open them.
• 2:43:20
  But I was asked by some people not to open them.
• 2:43:23
  There's a Martin Luther King file too, by the way,
• 2:43:25
  that they'd like to see. I don't know if you know,
• 2:43:27
  but there is that. But JFK in particular. So they
• 2:43:32
  called me. A lot of good people called me, people
• 2:43:34
  that you would find reasonable people. And they asked me
• 2:43:38
  not to do it. So I said, well, we'll close
• 2:43:40
  it for another time. But if I win, I'm going
• 2:43:43
  to open them up. I'm just going to open enough times.
• 2:43:45
  Speaker 2: Why didn't you open it up the first time? Because
• 2:43:47
  a lot of times– What was the hesitation?
• 2:43:49
  Speaker 1: Addresses– People that are still living. There are people that
• 2:43:52
  are affected. And there could be some national security reason
• 2:43:57
  that I don't have to necessarily know about. But some
• 2:44:00
  very good, talented people asked me not to do it.
• 2:44:03
  I opened it up and then they said, would it
• 2:44:06
  be possible for us to do that a different day?
• 2:44:09
  Speaker 2: How much of it did you read into?
• 2:44:12
  Speaker 1: I think it's going to be just fine to open it.
• 2:44:17
  Let me put it that way. I think it's fine.
• 2:44:19
  It's going to be time. It's a cleansing. It's really
• 2:44:21
  a cleansing. So I'm going to do it. I'm going
• 2:44:23
  to do it immediately, almost immediately upon entering office.
• 2:44:27
  Speaker 2: Well, the thing– when people look at it from the
• 2:44:28
  outside and you sort of imagine what could be a
• 2:44:32
  reason why they would not release those files, it would
• 2:44:36
  be there's people that were implicated in the assassination.
• 2:44:41
  Speaker 1: Well, when there are living people, you generally tend not
• 2:44:44
  to want to do it. When people are still living.
• 2:44:47
  Speaker 2: Living people that formerly worked for the government.
• 2:44:50
  Speaker 1: For the government and living people that were somehow involved
• 2:44:53
  in it. And you tend not to do that. But
• 2:44:55
  it's time to open them. I can't tell you whether
• 2:44:59
  or not they're going to find anything of interest. And
• 2:45:02
  I did partially open. I think I've opened 50 percent,
• 2:45:06
  but I was asked not to do it. And I
• 2:45:09
  thought that was a reasonable ask. But now I'm going
• 2:45:11
  to do it. I'm going to do it very soon.
• 2:45:12
  There's a lot of interest in it. There's a lot
• 2:45:15
  of interest in the people coming from space, you know. Yes.
• 2:45:19
  And I know you're interested in that too.
• 2:45:20
  Speaker 2: Oh, I'm very interested in that. How much did they
• 2:45:22
  tell you about that?
• 2:45:23
  Speaker 1: A lot.
• 2:45:23
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 2:45:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:45:24
  Speaker 2: What did they tell you? How much can you tell?
• 2:45:27
  How does that work? Is it like super top secret?
• 2:45:29
  I think I can tell, you know.
• 2:45:30
  Speaker 1: Tell me. Well, based on Hunter Biden, I can say
• 2:45:32
  whatever the hell I want, right? But no. But I
• 2:45:35
  interviewed a few people. It's never been my thing, I
• 2:45:38
  have to be honest. I have never been a believer.
• 2:45:40
  I have people that Area 51 or whatever it is.
• 2:45:43
  I think it's the number one tourist attraction in the
• 2:45:45
  whole country or something. Area 51. Do you know that, right? Sure.
• 2:45:49
  I know what it is. So anyway, but it's a
• 2:45:51
  big tourist thing. So I interviewed jet pilots that say
• 2:45:58
  they saw something. If you saw them, you'd love to
• 2:46:01
  have them.
• 2:46:01
  Speaker 2: I've had a couple in here. Commander David Fravor. I
• 2:46:04
  had him in who had that sighting in 2004. Very,
• 2:46:07
  very compelling with visual video evidence, radar evidence. Brian Graves.
• 2:46:13
  Speaker 1: I don't believe his name, but I interviewed jet pilots
• 2:46:17
  that were solid people. Perfect. I mean, great pilots, great everything.
• 2:46:24
  And they said, we saw things, sir, that were very strange.
• 2:46:29
  Like a round ball, but it wasn't a comet or
• 2:46:32
  a meteor. It was something. And it was going four
• 2:46:36
  times faster than an F-22, which is a very fast plane,
• 2:46:39
  you know. And it was round. which is in theory
• 2:46:44
  a great shape.
• 2:46:44
  Speaker 2: So when you were talking to these people, was this
• 2:46:48
  something that you were compelled to have conversations about? Was
• 2:46:52
  this your personal interest?
• 2:46:53
  Speaker 1: A little bit. It's not a great interest for me,
• 2:46:56
  but it's a little interest. I get that question as
• 2:46:58
  much as almost any question. Do you think that we
• 2:47:01
  have aliens coming, flying around or whatever?
• 2:47:04
  Speaker 2: What do you think?
• 2:47:07
  Speaker 1: There's no reason not to. I mean there's no reason
• 2:47:09
  not to think that Mars and all these planets don't
• 2:47:12
  have life because– Well.
• 2:47:13
  Speaker 2: Mars, we've had probes there and rovers and I don't
• 2:47:17
  think there's any life there.
• 2:47:17
  Speaker 1: Well, maybe it's life that we don't know. Well, maybe
• 2:47:19
  it's– there was.
• 2:47:20
  Speaker 2: Life there at one point in time. This is a
• 2:47:22
  speculation about Mars that Mars had an atmosphere at one
• 2:47:26
  point in time a long time ago that could support life.
• 2:47:28
  It also had large bodies of water. But we've had
• 2:47:31
  no evidence of even bacterial life that exists on Mars.
• 2:47:34
  Speaker 1: Right. The universe is pretty vast. It's not been a
• 2:47:36
  big thing for me. I mean when I looked at
• 2:47:38
  what China did to this– they would have never done
• 2:47:40
  it with me where they put the balloon up and
• 2:47:43
  a lot of people thought for a little while that
• 2:47:45
  that was one of these things.
• 2:47:47
  Speaker 2: Well, that's a lot of the speculation too that some
• 2:47:49
  of these drones that hover over battleships, that these are
• 2:47:52
  Chinese drones and that they're not UFOs.
• 2:47:54
  Speaker 1: They could be also.
• 2:47:54
  Speaker 2: There's some super sophisticated– But I did.
• 2:47:56
  Speaker 1: Interview let's say three or four guys that– and without
• 2:48:01
  tremendous interest, if you had them– As I said, you'd
• 2:48:06
  love to have me as your children. Solid, beautiful people.
• 2:48:11
  They said, sir, there's something there.
• 2:48:14
  Speaker 2: There's something there.
• 2:48:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:48:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've talked to quite a few of them.
• 2:48:17
  Speaker 1: They're not conspiracy guys.
• 2:48:19
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean just the Commander David Fravor thing in
• 2:48:21
  2004 off the coast of San Diego, they clocked that
• 2:48:24
  thing going from 50,000 feet above sea level to 50
• 2:48:26
  in a second. They don't know what it is.
• 2:48:29
  Speaker 1: That's tough to beat.
• 2:48:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah. They saw something in the water. It was hovering
• 2:48:33
  over that something that was making a disturbance in the water.
• 2:48:36
  They got video evidence of this thing. Two different fighter
• 2:48:40
  jets with pilots in them saw it. There's visual evidence,
• 2:48:44
  photographic evidence, video evidence, radar evidence. Whatever the hell it is,
• 2:48:48
  it moves in a way that would turn a human
• 2:48:50
  being into Jell-O if they were inside of it. The G-Force,
• 2:48:52
  no one would survive. So what is that? And it
• 2:48:56
  doesn't have a heat signature. They don't know what their
• 2:48:58
  propulsion system was.
• 2:49:00
  Speaker 1: But when you fly in some of these jets. These
• 2:49:04
  pilots have to be in great shape. Oh, yeah. I
• 2:49:06
  flew with the Blue Angels once. Yeah. Yeah, I got
• 2:49:08
  to fly. I guess it's an F-18. And those are
• 2:49:11
  older machines.
• 2:49:12
  Speaker 2: And they're crazy.
• 2:49:13
  Speaker 1: When you fly in some of these things, it's amazing. Yeah,
• 2:49:16
  I can imagine. You got to be special.
• 2:49:17
  Speaker 2: But these things that these people are encountering are far
• 2:49:20
  superior to what we know of.
• 2:49:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:49:23
  Speaker 2: Is it possible that there's some military or government program
• 2:49:27
  that you weren't– that they didn't tell you about?
• 2:49:31
  Speaker 1: I think I had a great relationship with the military, basically. But,
• 2:49:35
  you know, I didn't like certain people. I would have
• 2:49:37
  gotten them out if I thought if I were if
• 2:49:40
  the election was different, I would have fired, you know,
• 2:49:43
  all of them quickly. Most of them I did fire.
• 2:49:46
  Biden should have fired every military person involved with Afghanistan.
• 2:49:51
  He should have had a lot of firings. You know,
• 2:49:53
  if you look at him, he told Israel not to
• 2:49:55
  do anything. At least Israel is not going to look
• 2:49:57
  at a bomb the way they would have been. Think
• 2:49:59
  if they listened to Biden. They'd be waiting for a
• 2:50:02
  bomb to drop on their head right now. He's been
• 2:50:05
  wrong about so much. I guess you'd have to say
• 2:50:07
  that she's been wrong, too, because, you know, she always
• 2:50:10
  said they made the decision together. But Israel didn't follow
• 2:50:15
  his advice. And I think it was a very, you know,
• 2:50:19
  it's a very, the Middle East is rapidly changing. You know,
• 2:50:22
  there are prophets that say the world will come to
• 2:50:25
  an end in the Middle East. You know that, right?
• 2:50:29
  And We have weapons today that are so scary. When
• 2:50:33
  you look, I rebuilt them all. And when you look
• 2:50:36
  at the weapons we have today, the biggest threat we
• 2:50:38
  have in the world today is nuclear weapons. And we
• 2:50:42
  have other weapons, too, that are devastated. But the nuclear weapons,
• 2:50:45
  the biggest threat we have in the world today, and
• 2:50:47
  that's what you... I was talking about de-escalation with both
• 2:50:53
  China and Russia. I'm telling you, We were going to de-escalate.
• 2:50:57
  They were going to de-escalate. Got to be careful. It's
• 2:51:00
  a little tricky playing with them because they say we're
• 2:51:03
  going to do it and they don't do it maybe.
• 2:51:05
  But they understood the curse too. It's a curse. China
• 2:51:09
  is way behind us, but they'll catch us within five years.
• 2:51:12
  Speaker 2: So let's imagine– let's say you win in November. What
• 2:51:15
  do you do differently and how do you change this
• 2:51:18
  course that it seems we are on for World War III?
• 2:51:22
  How do you get us out of Ukraine? How do
• 2:51:24
  you stop what's going on in the Middle East? How
• 2:51:26
  do you put a stop to this?
• 2:51:27
  Speaker 1: Well, it's a very– to me it's an easy question
• 2:51:31
  because I think I can do it easily. But it's
• 2:51:33
  a complex question in the sense that the times change.
• 2:51:37
  Every day changes. Who's winning? Who's not winning? I mean
• 2:51:42
  Russia is a war machine. Whether you like it or not,
• 2:51:46
  it just grinds along, grinds along. You speak to people
• 2:51:48
  like Viktor Orban, he'll tell you. It's just a big, fat.
• 2:51:53
  war machine. And that's what's happening. You look at what's
• 2:51:56
  happened to Ukraine. If I were there, it would have
• 2:51:59
  never happened.
• 2:52:00
  Speaker 2: But what could you do now? If you get into
• 2:52:02
  office in January, what could you do now?
• 2:52:05
  Speaker 1: Right now, you would get both of them. I know
• 2:52:08
  both very well. And again, I do not want to
• 2:52:12
  tell you for the purpose of looking smart to five
• 2:52:15
  people that say, oh, he was great. Because if I
• 2:52:19
  told you exactly what I do, I could never make
• 2:52:23
  the deal. All I can tell you is that I
• 2:52:25
  would meet with Putin and I would meet with him,
• 2:52:27
  and I know exactly what I'd say to each one
• 2:52:29
  of them. And I believe that as president-elect, I would
• 2:52:32
  get that war stopped and stopped fast. You know, we
• 2:52:36
  have tremendous power in the United States if you know
• 2:52:38
  how to use the power. I stopped other wars just
• 2:52:42
  by the use of tariffs. I got Macron of France.
• 2:52:46
  Good guy. He's like a friend of mine. But he's
• 2:52:48
  a wise guy. And he's a person that likes France.
• 2:52:52
  And he was going to tax our companies. And I
• 2:52:55
  sent all the smartest guys. I sent Mnuchin. They all
• 2:52:58
  failed me. And I said, I'll do it myself. And
• 2:53:00
  I called him. I said, Emmanuel, you're taxing American companies.
• 2:53:04
  We're not going to allow you to do that. Oh, Donald,
• 2:53:06
  I cannot do it. There's nothing I can do. It's
• 2:53:08
  already been passed. I said, Emmanuel, if you do that,
• 2:53:12
  I'm going to put a 100% tariff on your wines
• 2:53:15
  and champagnes that come into the United States, and you're
• 2:53:18
  going to regret that you ever did it. He said, Donald, please,
• 2:53:21
  that's not fair. Anyway, within about two minutes, he dropped
• 2:53:24
  the whole thing. And it was massive amounts of money
• 2:53:26
  against American companies. I have to protect American companies.
• 2:53:30
  Speaker 2: So why doesn't the Biden administration do this?
• 2:53:32
  Speaker 1: Because they're incompetent. They don't know how to talk. Look,
• 2:53:35
  they met in Alaska with the Chinese. And the Chinese
• 2:53:41
  lectured them about how badly we treat people. Right? Okay?
• 2:53:47
  I mean, think of it. You remember that? They didn't
• 2:53:50
  talk to me that way. They never. They respected me.
• 2:53:54
  They respected our country. They don't respect our country. They
• 2:53:57
  don't respect Biden. They don't respect her. They're dreaming about
• 2:54:02
  her because she's incompetent. She's not a smart person. Look,
• 2:54:07
  she can't put two sentences together. She talks. I watched
• 2:54:10
  her two nights. I watched her last night, too. It
• 2:54:12
  was the same thing. She's not a smart person. These
• 2:54:16
  guys are very smart and they're very streetwise and they're
• 2:54:19
  very tricky and evil and dangerous. And if she becomes
• 2:54:25
  the president of the United States, which I can't believe
• 2:54:27
  can happen, I don't think this country is going to
• 2:54:30
  make it. I don't think we'll ever be. I think
• 2:54:35
  just really bad things will happen to our country. And
• 2:54:38
  you know what? I look at the outside forces and
• 2:54:40
  I say they can all be handled because we have
• 2:54:42
  a pot of gold. But we're not going to have
• 2:54:44
  that pot of gold to play with anymore. You know,
• 2:54:46
  it's a great negotiating thing. I told you I knocked
• 2:54:50
  out this massive car company going to Take all of
• 2:54:53
  our car business from Detroit. I knocked it out just
• 2:54:56
  by my rhetoric. Rhetorically, I said they'll never sell a
• 2:55:01
  car in here. I'll put tariffs. I don't care. They're 2,000 percent.
• 2:55:04
  They're never going to build that plant.
• 2:55:06
  Speaker 2: Is it possible to apply that same thing to the
• 2:55:08
  electronics that we use? One of the things that disturbs
• 2:55:11
  me greatly is that all of our phones are made overseas.
• 2:55:14
  And then some of our phones are made in places
• 2:55:16
  like– Yes, and the chips. And some of our phones
• 2:55:18
  are made in places like Foxconn where they have nets
• 2:55:20
  around the building to keep people from jumping off the
• 2:55:22
  roof because they have so many suicides. Like wouldn't it
• 2:55:25
  be better to have an American-made iPhone where you know
• 2:55:28
  people are paid good wages, they have health insurance, they're
• 2:55:30
  taken care of, they can live a good life, where
• 2:55:33
  you're not buying a piece of electronics that's cheaper because
• 2:55:37
  someone has to suffer in a horrible way that's not
• 2:55:40
  even legal in the United States. It's not even legal
• 2:55:42
  to have them work that way in the United States anymore.
• 2:55:44
  So they get these people to build them overseas.
• 2:55:46
  Speaker 1: You do it. But let me just say that chip
• 2:55:49
  deal is so bad. We put up billions of dollars
• 2:55:52
  for rich companies to come in and borrow the money
• 2:55:55
  and build chip companies here. And they're not going to
• 2:55:57
  give us the good companies anyway. All you had to
• 2:56:00
  do is charge them tariffs. If you would have put
• 2:56:02
  a tariff on the chips coming in, you would have
• 2:56:06
  been able to– just like the auto companies, no different.
• 2:56:09
  More sophisticated but no different. You know, Taiwan– They stole
• 2:56:14
  our chip business. OK, they want us to protect and
• 2:56:18
  they want protection. They don't pay us money for the protection.
• 2:56:20
  You know, the mob makes you pay money. Right. But
• 2:56:24
  with these countries that we protect, I got hundreds of
• 2:56:27
  billions of dollars from NATO countries that were never paying us.
• 2:56:32
  And my biggest fan is Stoltenberg, who just left as the,
• 2:56:35
  you know, director general, as a secretary general. Good guy.
• 2:56:40
  He said Bush came, he made a speech. Obama came,
• 2:56:43
  he made a speech. Trump came, he said, you guys
• 2:56:45
  aren't paying, you got to pay. And they said, will
• 2:56:47
  you protect us from Russia if we don't? I said, no,
• 2:56:50
  you got to pay if you don't pay. Billions of
• 2:56:52
  dollars came in to NATO. When I see us paying
• 2:56:57
  a lot of money to have people build chips, that's
• 2:56:59
  not the way. You didn't have to put up 10 cents.
• 2:57:02
  You could have done it with a series of tariffs.
• 2:57:04
  In other words, you tariff it so high that they
• 2:57:08
  will come and build their chip company for nothing. In
• 2:57:11
  other words, Joe, you put a big tariff on the
• 2:57:14
  chips coming in. I say, you don't have to pay
• 2:57:17
  the tariff. All you have to do is build your
• 2:57:18
  plant in the United States. We didn't have to give
• 2:57:21
  them the money to build a plant. Besides that, they're
• 2:57:24
  very rich companies, these chip companies. They stole 95% Of
• 2:57:30
  our business. It's in Taiwan right now. They do a
• 2:57:32
  great job. But that's only because we have stupid politicians.
• 2:57:35
  We lost the chip business. And now we think we're
• 2:57:38
  going to pay. You can't build it that way. You
• 2:57:41
  have to make them spend their money in the United States.
• 2:57:44
  And those plants would open up all over. And they'll
• 2:57:46
  fund them. We don't have to put up 10 cents.
• 2:57:48
  And I am in the process of making a huge
• 2:57:51
  speech in about a little while. And you and I,
• 2:57:53
  how long have we been talking? A long time. Let's go.
• 2:57:56
  Probably like three hours. I got to make a speech.
• 2:57:58
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 2:57:59
  Speaker 1: But we'll do it again. I want to do it
• 2:58:00
  again with you. Okay. You are something. Thank you very much.
• 2:58:03
  I said, how long will this last? Anywhere from an
• 2:58:06
  hour to three or four hours. How long we do it, Jamie?
• 2:58:08
  Speaker 2: Three hours.
• 2:58:09
  Speaker 1: Good. Well, we'll do it again. I thought it was great.
• 2:58:11
  I think it's. I think it was great. It was
• 2:58:13
  a lot of fun. You are a fascinating guy. Thank you.
• 2:58:16
  And you've done a great job.
• 2:58:17
  Speaker 2: Thank you very much.
• 2:58:18
  Speaker 1: I'm a big fan. And thank you very much. It's
• 2:58:19
  been an honor. It's been an honor to have you
• 2:58:21
  on as well. I'm going to make a great speech,
• 2:58:22
  and I'm going to say, and if I'm a little
• 2:58:25
  off tonight, I'm going to blame you. I spoke to
• 2:58:27
  this guy for three hours. Anyway, it's a great honor
• 2:58:30
  to be with you.
• 2:58:31
  Speaker 2: Thank you, sir.
• 2:58:31
  Speaker 1: Good luck to you.
• 2:58:32
  Speaker 2: Thank you very much. I appreciate it.
• 2:58:33
  Speaker 1: All right. Bye, everybody.