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EDP47: Valencia 10k, World Cross-Country & Houston Half Recaps · Easy Double podcast

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  Hello and welcome to the Easy Bubble podcast.
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  This is episode #47 it might be a slightly unfamiliar accent as
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  far as intros go, and that's because you've got the
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  Australian host setting the tone this evening.
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  Or this or today, should I say. And that's because we've got a
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  few men that have been abroad this past few days.
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  Some still are. Some have just got home.
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  But I won't do the talking for them.
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  I'll introduce them. I might start with the the man
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  closer to home, closer to me. Ryan, how are you?
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  Where are we talking to you from?
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  Yeah, I'm good. Thank you mate.
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  Dialing in from Citadines Hotel on Bork St. in Melbourne and
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  currently sat in the hotel lobby, so apologise for any
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  background music that's filtering through the
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  microphone. We have big changes and these
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  are double podcasts. Start at 2026, you've got a new
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  host. Yeah, so one hit wonder, I
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  reckon, bit like the Macarena. But anyway, well, thanks for
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  making it right because I know it's touching on midnight.
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  So the listeners appreciate you making the effort to to dial in
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  and our second host joins us as well from the office.
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  But and also appreciate you making the time because I didn't
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  Ryan and I weren't sure if you would be making time for us
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  anymore now that after this week, this weekend's recent
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  efforts for Owen. How are you doing?
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  I'm good, I'm good lads. Well I'm still 3 minutes off the
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  lad who won the race so I'm I'm staying grounded, don't worry,
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  don't worry. No, it's good to be here on
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  breaking work, so we're making it work.
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  You you and arm green both powered by the the broccoli
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  emoji as well, right? So you have that that in common.
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  Yeah, and he gave me a thumbs up when he was doing his shakeout
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  the other day. So I was going to ask him to on
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  the pod, but I wanted to make sure he was actually the chair.
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  And he won the race first, but then I couldn't get him after
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  the race. He was a very busy man.
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  He yeah, well, I'm sure we'll unpack it, but both of you were
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  were flying. I mean you with the the bigger
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  PB than him, but both very impressive performances that's
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  for sure. Was he joking solo when you seen
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  him or they have like an entourage with him?
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  No joking solo, but there's an Instagram page, runners, nerds
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  or something like that. He was behind them with a
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  camera. Yeah.
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  Do you see they they always captured the shakeout runs now
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  for some of the the top athletes ahead of a race which which I
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  like, but it does intimidate me because often their shakeout
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  runs are like close to 330 pace. So I do wonder if that's
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  intentional or if they just that yeah, yeah, yeah, or if they're
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  just excited for the rest. I'm Brian Ron.
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  He is so smooth, guys. Like just in real life, the
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  forward lean. He's just like poetry in motion.
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  It's it's so, so cool. Yeah.
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  Well, the agenda for this week is similar to to normal weeks.
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  We'll have all the usual segments running results,
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  running news. It will be a bit later on with
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  running news given we've got a lot some pretty big results to
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  recap talk about our training weeks in particular recap Owens
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  race. We'll try and I think marry them
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  up in terms of running results, recapping, recapping of Valencia
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  and and Owens week, YouTube Diaries and double trouble.
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  If we get if we get there. I've I've put together the
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  agenda and cautiously put one in, but hopefully you guys will
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  come through with something. So we might start with the first
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  race of the save the best till last, dare I say, as far as our
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  podcast goes, but start with the first major race of the weekend.
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  And I'm not sure how much you guys caught of it.
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  In particular, you own you probably had your eyes on your
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  on on the 10K, but it was the world cross country
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  championships were were hosted in the US in Tallahassee.
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  It was Saturday night for me, Saturday morning over in the US
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  and a pretty uncharacteristically warm
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  morning by all accounts, which I think maybe played, which was
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  probably favourable for say some of the Aussies and perhaps some
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  of the East African runners as well because there would have
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  been more accustomed to some slightly hotter weather.
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  But I don't know. My initial reflections were that
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  it was a, it looked like a fantastic championship.
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  So it was really well broadcast and some exciting racing.
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  I certainly enjoyed the the events, mainly the mixed relay,
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  men's race and women's race. Course.
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  What do you think of the course? Because when I first seen them
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  like kind of announce all the different things they are going
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  on, I was like, oh, that's a bit cringy and like not really cross
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  country but at exhibition time. But it was when you actually
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  watched it, I thought it was pretty sure, like something
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  completely different and almost like the great leveller for
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  everyone, like something new for them all different elements for
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  all. Yeah, so I think the three main
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  features weren't they was a man made mountain or hill put in
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  there, a water area that was mandatory that you ran through
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  and then they were called, they were alligators, but there were
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  large wooden obstacles that that needed to be hurdled.
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  I think they were the main. Oh, and a mud pit were all the
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  key features of each lap. Yeah, I thought they were good.
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  I think they change it up. They make it slightly more
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  technical than what it than what it is.
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  Look, I, I, I just think, yeah, I don't know, there could be
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  various US courses. Like, you know, sometimes they
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  do it through a golf course, like the Wisconsin course looks
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  cool, the one where Connor Manse is dominating up and down over
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  the hills. Like I think whatever they do,
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  they seem to do a good job of it.
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  They've got some fantastic cross country courses, albeit fairly
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  flat and fast. I suppose.
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  They're not like the traditional Irish or UK courses where you're
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  running through the muck, you know, quite different.
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  So, but certainly it just seems that when you're off the bitumen
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  in particular running through that more difficult conditions,
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  the East Africans just look so good.
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  Yeah, it's like considering the grass element would have been
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  like, we would have probably criticized if if it was just on
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  like the the golf course type grass.
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  And they've went out of their way to put these obstacles in to
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  make it a bit fun to watch. Like those that Alligator Alley,
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  they were like full on hurdles where it made the difference
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  that some people were going over them compared to others.
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  Like there was massive gains to be had there, wasn't it?
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  Yeah. And perhaps my only knock on
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  them is, I mean, and I didn't see any people run into them,
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  but that would have, it could have been pretty dangerous
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  versus something like hay, hay bales that you could hurdle.
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  But look, everyone looked pretty safe.
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  And I don't think, I don't think it affected things too much
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  other than just made it hard, you know, would have pumped the
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  lactic through the legs. But in terms of the results,
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  start off with the first race of the day, which was the mixed
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  relay, which I thought was a really exciting race.
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  The winners were the Aussie team and the the team was Ollie Hall,
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  Lyndon Hall, Jack Anstey, who was a late replacement for Cam
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  Myers and Jessica Hull. Second was France, third
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  Ethiopia. The host nations, USA were fifth
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  and Great Britain were 7th, which included past guests and
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  fog. But yeah, I can share some
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  observations on the race. Or did you guys have anything
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  that you wanted to to kick off with in terms of comments about
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  how that played out? Now you go and I'll I'll bounce
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  off you. Yeah.
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  So I just, so the first leg was that I would say the stronger
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  men's runners. So it went man, woman, man,
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  woman and Ollie Hall. The Aussies like there was about
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  5 or 6 really close in close contention that Reynold Chariot,
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  who was probably the best athlete in the field, and Ethan
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  Strand. They were, they finished one
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  too. But Ollie Hall was only a couple
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  of seconds behind, which was perfect that so they all kept it
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  really close. And then I think the the, the
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  person that set up the race for the Aussies was Linden Hall.
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  She, I believe is she, did she go to college?
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  She I think she might have mentioned something about a bit
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  of redemption or some some fond memories of racing there in her
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  NCAA career. But she, she just.
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  Yeah, the commentators said something like her, she was
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  helping set the course up like physically put it together, like
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  whether that be like Mao something or move something here
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  due to our college connections back there.
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  Apparently they hosted NCAA S I don't even think it was in
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  recent history, but like, say within the past five to 10
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  years. And then apparently like that's
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  so the commentator was saying for like a course that would be
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  the ultimate goal to host NCAA's.
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  And then to be able to get, well, cross country on the back
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  of that, they were just like was a dream.
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  So I mean, you can see why Lyndon's so keen to do it, being
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  a like home college course. And the commentators, they did a
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  great job in terms of covering the race.
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  They mentioned just Lyndon being quite like strong on the Diamond
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  League circuit and running some remember she's done some gore
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  with the pacemakers in a couple of Diamond League races, Fairly
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  gutsy running and sort of not afraid to to push the tempo and
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  really seemed to play to her favorite because it wasn't like
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  she was sitting and working, wanting to key off people.
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  She just, she just pushed and opened up a really large gap on
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  everyone really. And it was the French team that
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  were that were the closest. And yeah, I think we had maybe 6
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  or 7 second lead coming into the third leg.
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  And Jack Anstey was able to hold off or almost hold off the
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  French team. I think they might have closed
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  one or two seconds ahead of us, but they were they were, they
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  were a clear one too by that stage.
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  When I was watching Ansi's leg, like you said, he got it with
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  like the six 7 second lead off Linden.
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  I was thinking what must be going through his head like
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  either would he expected to have been in the lead or maybe not
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  even that far ahead. So he may have been prepared to
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  like run at the front of the race or with a couple of people
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  and like fight for first position.
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  But it's a totally different dynamic.
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  Thinking fuck like this is going to be so obvious if I blow it
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  basically. Yeah, I, I heard some, I heard
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  them interviewed after the race and they did definitely have
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  strategies and plans. Like they knew with Jess
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  anchoring that they just needed to put themselves in the best
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  position they could given it's a 2 kilometre leg and Jess is the
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  world record holder in the 2K on the track.
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  So I think they knew roughly what to do in terms of Ollie be
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  competitive and then the guys sort of had ideas on what they
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  needed to do. I mean, I was it was pretty
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  exceptional what Lyndon did in terms of opening up maybe 10 or
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  so seconds on so many top athletes over 2 KS.
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  That's really what won them the race, I think, or largely
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  contributed a lot to winning the race.
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  But yeah, he ran a really sensible leg.
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  I did hear Jess whole interviewed after the race and
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  she mentioned that her dad, which is her coach, gave her
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  some counsel on just on course, just saying be patient because I
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  think he knew that when she's 2 seconds behind, she just would
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  want to make those two seconds up straight away.
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  And the only way you I think he knows the only way that doesn't
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  result in a win is if she gets flooded with lactate early and
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  can't run it out. So but yeah, look, they executed
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  a really good race. Jess Hall was, I think, too
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  classy. France in second.
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  I think the American team were potentially competitive, but I
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  don't know if that sage Herda Klecker maybe fell or something
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  happened in the first half of her leg.
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  Commentators weren't sure either.
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  And that sort of put them out of the mix, which was a shame
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  because then the crowd couldn't get as engaged.
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  But but yeah, it was it was a good start to the championships.
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  I thought it was very, very cool.
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  And yeah, cool to see the Aussies get up.
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  Nice. If Cam Myers were there, was
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  there, they would have absolutely walked.
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  It wouldn't know. Yeah, well, that's yeah, You
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  would assume that hit there a couple more seconds, right?
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  I mean, that Jack Antsy's a 333 guy.
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  But yeah, Cam's over 2K. You would think he would
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  absolutely fly, wouldn't he? Yeah, but then again, like I
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  heard that the English guy who's the young English guy that's in
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  the NCAA at the moment, he ran like 733 or something for 3K
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  indoors. George, is it George Kuti?
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  Yeah. Like he would have been like,
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  nearly on paper the perfect lad for that cross country.
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  But he didn't even run that well, really.
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  So you never really know. Well, and that's what the
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  Aussies were saying was that Bathurst, the team they had,
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  they on paper thought they would be the gold, more of a gold
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  medal chance than what they were on the weekend just gone.
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  But you don't know, do you? It's all and it it all turns in
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  one leg like you can. They're all the margins are all
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  so small and then just one really good leg or run one
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  really bad one. And yeah, you're in the mix or
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  you're off the bat. How would?
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  You see Ollie, it's going to say nice to see Ollie get not only
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  like the collective, the fact he's got a a world gold medal
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  because of the team results, but his leg was also like pretty
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  good as well, which is a lot of pressure on that first like
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  isn't there and they would have known that he needs to to keep
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  them in the race basically and coming home so close.
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  He'll hopefully can like take that and build on it, get some
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  momentum now, finally. Yeah, and he ran it so smart
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  because he, it wasn't like he put himself in the front of the
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  race. He put himself where he needed
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  to and, and like you say, did any spoke afterwards.
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  He just knew what he needed to do, which was be competitive.
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  And it's nice when you've got an ace up your sleeve on the fourth
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  leg. So they yeah, looks like they
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  executed really well. Where did you guys watch this
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  race? You create an account via World
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  Athletics, so you just log on to the World Athletics homepage and
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  then you log into an account through there.
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  And there was a live stream as well as a replay so people can
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  go in and and watch it again. It's really, Yeah, really well,
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  so well done and all free so. So I was doing that, I'd done
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  that, and after the first, I think after the women's under 20
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  race, the stream stopped. I'll get it.
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  Umm, I don't know whether that's just because there was some
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  hassle even getting the stream like from Spain because it was
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  Geo locked. So like certain certain
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  countries didn't have access to it so Ireland did.
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  So I to use my VPN to change my location to Ireland to get
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  access but from Spain and we couldn't actually watch it.
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  But then after under 20 women's race, the stream stopped.
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  I was like if you want to watch more of this, you have to go to
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  so and so that's cheap and bullshit.
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  Yeah. Unrestricted, so maybe no one
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  had bought the rights or something like that, so
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  therefore it was not an issue. Like lucky enough there was a
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  crowd from Ireland were actually screaming the rest of it so
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  worked out well I got to watch it.
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  Yeah, interesting. OK, yeah, gosh, there I was
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  shouting it out because I was like, I can't believe they've
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  put on a quality stream for free, but always.
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  Nope. And then in the women's, the
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  open women's race, I'll run through some of the results and
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  then we can recap the race itself.
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  But the winner was Agnes Ngedic from Kenya.
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  Second was Uganda's Joy Czech Toek and 3rd was Senayet Getichu
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  from Ethiopia. Some other honourable mentions.
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  So it was in East African top 9. Tenth was Edna Kirgat from the
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  USA, Lauren Ryan was 13th and Leanne Pompiani 15th.
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  Carissa Switzer from the USA was 17th and Hannah Gapes who I've
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  not heard of. New Zealand was 19th but largely
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  East African dominated Grace, particularly at the pointy end.
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  And yeah, Agnes and Getich almost went gun to tape like was
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  incredibly dominant is the is the world record holder.
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  I think in the 10 Ki think she boasts the time on the road of
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  2846, which is pretty otherworldly and I think is
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  apart from who's recently born on maternity leave run.
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  It was Chibet. Yeah, Beatrice Chibet.
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  So apart from Beatrice Chibet, who I think might have been
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  fairly dominant some recent world cross countries, I think
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  she's was the stand out performer and I think they might
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  have said this makes it 10 Kenyan women wins in a row.
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  So yeah, another very dominant performance. 6304 she's run for
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  1/2 marathon as well. Yeah, outrageous.
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  Like, she just, she looks so good.
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  The Getichu, Chetek and Aichu, all from Ethiopia all tried to
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  hang with, but they just didn't stand a chance.
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  They were just running over threshold, trying to hold on.
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  And they knew that after, you know, a few minutes of running
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  at that pace, they couldn't hang with.
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  So they settled down and focused on the minor medals, but the
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  gold was gone pretty early. I think she's around like 28 mid
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  for tanker as well. She's just like, yeah, yeah.
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  Crazy stuff for me, yeah. So I mean, I thought it was very
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  impressive by Lauren Ryan Leanne Pompiani couple of the Aussies
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  like near top ten in those fields like just an observation.
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  So I went back and because I was all excited watching world cross
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  watch some of the older races and you sort of you see like
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  different countries and different dominate over time.
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  And Kenya from about the 2000s and even prior to like even the
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  90s were incredibly, even the early 90s incredibly dominant.
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  And Ethiopia was emerging and you have some strong Ethiopian
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  runners, but Uganda's never historically been that strong.
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  Probably not until around when they hosted the world champs in,
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  oh, when was it around 2019 maybe.
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  But that I feel like have become like the the 3rd East African
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  powerhouse. Like they're, they're
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  ridiculously strong. So they had in this race they
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  had second, six, ninth and 20th, which like, yeah, you know, is
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  that's four inside the top 20 along with Ethiopia that had
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  12345 and Kenya with four as well, like.
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  That's what's that, 13 of the top 20 from three countries.
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  And so I just think Uganda are an observation and that's not
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  just this race. That was across the board.
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  They were very strong Uganda. So it means that any country
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  outside of those three wanting to get a team's medal.
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  So for the team's medal, I think it's the top four that count.
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  And trying to get a sniff at a team medal is really very
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  difficult, isn't it? It makes Long Round and Leanne's
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  runs even better, right? Because then it's like almost
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  best of the rest, like exclude these.
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  It looks like a East African handicap.
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  Take them out of the equation and then look how well they step
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  up. Yeah, exactly.
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  Like I think they ran, I don't know.
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  I thought they were pretty exceptional runs really.
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  And particularly like you look at that US women's team, it's
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  pretty, it's a very solid team, either women that were top in
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  the NCAA system or multiple like Olympians and American record
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  holders or thereabouts. So, so yeah, very impressive
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  runs, which was really good. They judged those races really
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  well and it looked like they were switch switching up the
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  place a few times which is good. I think Japan got a team
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  Madeleine that. So Japan's team placed really,
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  really well. Interesting.
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  OK, I'll have to have a look. It's funny as well because, you
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  know, the Lauren and Leanne probably would have been like,
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  well, based off the times they finish six seconds apart, they
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  probably ran large parts of that race together, you know, that
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  they know the similar levels of fitness and like, yeah, they're
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  running for Australia. So they would have been like
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  helping each other, but they also would have absolutely
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  wanted to like, bury each of the other one.
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  Like, it would have been a big deal.
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  First Aussie. I think so.
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  And you remember it wasn't that long ago, it started December
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  where they were both racing each other at Zatopek over 10K.
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  So yeah, everyone, they both would have been wanting to get
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  the wood over each other. But yeah, exceptionally good
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  runs. And then into the senior men's
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  race. I don't know, did you guys
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  listen to the Let's Run guys preview any of this?
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  But they were quite good at I just enjoy them generally.
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  They're very funny. They, they were talking about
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  taking their kid off and running through the mud pit and running
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  through the water obstacles for for listeners because they were
• 22:39
  on course ahead of the race. But I think they cut away before
• 22:43
  that that happened. But they were on the money with
• 22:46
  their men's previews. They were very bullish about
• 22:49
  their US men's team, which is unsurprising.
• 22:51
  They're very patriotic. Speaking of yes.
• 22:55
  Can I just correct myself? It was the under 20 Japanese
• 22:58
  women got a medal, not the senior women.
• 23:02
  Sorry. And so the under 20 Japanese
• 23:05
  women and I think the under 20US men might have got a medal as
• 23:08
  well. That were probably the only
• 23:11
  upsets as far as getting medals outside of the mixed relay,
• 23:14
  weren't they? Yeah.
• 23:17
  Whilst you go there on the under 20, Women's Australia again had
• 23:21
  two in the top 25 and they were at 16 and 17 in the under 20
• 23:26
  race and the finishing top 25 in the world, so Isabella Valanotti
• 23:33
  and Helena Butler keep an eye on them.
• 23:36
  Good shot. So in the men's race, the guys
• 23:41
  did call this, but they did say that the big three to watch out
• 23:45
  for were Aragawi, Ebenyo and Kip Limo.
• 23:49
  So Ebenyo had a relative as far as his high standards go.
• 23:55
  He was the Kenyan champion at their trials.
• 23:59
  Very classy runner, but didn't go that well on the roads at
• 24:03
  Chicago early in the year. But I'll bounce back.
• 24:09
  And Arigawi, I think was only fifth at the Ethiopian trials,
• 24:14
  but is the most classy Ethiopian runner of their team.
• 24:18
  And on paper, the Ethiopian team certainly stacks up better than
• 24:21
  the Kenyan team. But as we know from history,
• 24:24
  whichever team Kenya seems to send does well over cross
• 24:27
  country historically. And then Kip Limo was the out
• 24:31
  and out favorite, noting that he'd run the Barcelona half
• 24:35
  earlier in the year and run the world record by 4050 odd
• 24:38
  seconds. So yeah, the race, the race
• 24:43
  started out pretty slow. Did you see Kyle Robinson was at
• 24:46
  the front early? There was a few.
• 24:49
  There's a big group of about 40 odd through maybe the first lap
• 24:53
  or two. And you can see through the
• 24:55
  splits, though that once someone, I can't remember who
• 24:58
  made a move. I think it might have been to
• 25:00
  Desi work who might have made a. Move.
• 25:02
  It was an American lad. It was the American guy.
• 25:05
  He's way out front. Yeah, clowns.
• 25:09
  Well, he, he's made that Wesley Kittus, you, you see him do that
• 25:16
  on the track and in cross country in the NCAA system and
• 25:20
  often he holds on. But in in his defence, he
• 25:24
  finished 14th, which is not a not a bad shout.
• 25:27
  But yeah, once the big guys got rolling, he was he was in
• 25:31
  trouble as was, as was a lot of field, to be honest.
• 25:34
  Like if he ran a smart race where what do you finished?
• 25:37
  Top 10 probably. Yeah, higher up.
• 25:39
  More, yeah. Well, yeah.
• 25:42
  And so if I recap, so the winner and he was just too good was
• 25:46
  Jacob Kipleno. He broke them at about 6:00 or 7
• 25:50
  K And yeah, he just looks ridiculous.
• 25:53
  He won it back first. I think he's I think he that was
• 25:57
  his third win. He's finished second once and
• 26:00
  won as a world junior. So from 5 attempts he's got 4
• 26:03
  golds and a silver, which is not a bad resume for world cross,
• 26:05
  particularly when it's not run that often.
• 26:09
  Aragawi was second. He just finished over the top of
• 26:12
  Benyo from Kenya and 3rd. So the again, the dominant big
• 26:15
  three East African countries were the were taking the both
• 26:21
  the team medals and the individual medals.
• 26:23
  The first non African was Thierry Deacon Manau.
• 26:29
  Yo, I'm quite confident I've butched that.
• 26:33
  But he's from Spain. And then the French athlete Yarn
• 26:37
  Shrub, who I think ran under 13 minutes on the track.
• 26:40
  He was one of three French guys that ran under 13 minutes last
• 26:45
  year on the track. He was he just beat home Parker
• 26:48
  Wolf, which was the first American that Adrian will shoot
• 26:52
  from South Africa was was right up there.
• 26:54
  He's been dominant in the NCAA system, recently turned pro.
• 26:57
  And then, yeah, Jimmy Gracia was 15th, who just he just picked on
• 27:01
  the line, your man Brian Faye. Yeah, Brian Faye, whatever run,
• 27:08
  he just ran it to perfection, right and sat back for the first
• 27:14
  for the 1st 2K and then he just worked his way up to the fields.
• 27:19
  Yeah, crazy, crazy run from Brian.
• 27:23
  I heard a few of the guys interviewed, and particularly
• 27:27
  those that are perhaps from the UK or Australia or Ireland that
• 27:31
  have now gone home or, or or have moved into professional
• 27:38
  teams, are still pro runners. But have such fond memories of
• 27:42
  NCAA cross and knowing that this was going to be back at one of
• 27:45
  the premier US NCAA venues. Talk about how excited they were
• 27:51
  just to have the opportunity to go back and just send it.
• 27:54
  And I heard him say similar. So yeah, it sounds like he had a
• 27:59
  like a ripping time. Yeah, 'cause he was where
• 28:03
  Washington is it Washington State or something like that.
• 28:07
  And yeah, he would have won or been placing in NCAA.
• 28:12
  So yeah, no, I'd be reminiscing among the good old days.
• 28:16
  I think Andrew Koskin, he was in that FSU for he started there
• 28:21
  and then he went home. Didn't like it but yeah, Irish
• 28:24
  seem to go well there. What's interesting, right, is
• 28:27
  because Brian Faye was running when we were recapping some
• 28:30
  results earlier this year, he was running Down Under and he
• 28:33
  was getting dusted by a few of the Aussies, right?
• 28:37
  Yeah, it's weird the way it works.
• 28:39
  You know, I don't know, just going through a rough patch and
• 28:44
  and yeah, just national cross it clicks from and Europeans he
• 28:49
  sort of he didn't hold back as much as he did this time around,
• 28:53
  so he was pushing it a little bit.
• 28:56
  So yeah, he's just, it's just taken that he must have gotten a
• 28:59
  really good strong and winter under him and now he's seeing
• 29:02
  the benefits. Yeah, I mean, the guys he beat
• 29:06
  home, like Grand Blanc's was just behind him and he ran a
• 29:09
  really strong race. Like the the guys just behind
• 29:12
  him, all the Aussies, like we've not even mentioned them, but
• 29:14
  like one of those Aussies being 4th at the world champs just two
• 29:20
  months ago. Kai Robinson, who you know, was
• 29:23
  backing himself in for a good day and is notoriously, I think
• 29:26
  he might be a prior first or second over NCAA cross and ANCAA
• 29:32
  former NCAA champion himself. Like some big names he's beaten
• 29:36
  and the guys that were maybe 1020 positions behind Kai with
• 29:42
  those Aussies that were beating Brian earlier in the year.
• 29:46
  So it's, yeah, it's interesting how it can chop a change.
• 29:50
  If you're Seth O'Donnell, are you Happy?
• 29:52
  Or Sabraton? Why?
• 29:57
  I think, I don't know, I think there's just levels.
• 30:00
  So this is this is the point. Like I think he's made another
• 30:04
  Australian team, he's ranked, running as hard as he can.
• 30:10
  But like, I don't know, was he because he was there?
• 30:13
  About how far behind was he from Morgan McDonald and those guys?
• 30:17
  Let me just get you. I've got it up here.
• 30:19
  I was looking that so that Thierry the Spanish guy was the
• 30:23
  first non African. He was the one who won Europeans
• 30:27
  when Owen was live on the ground just on Gracia on on the on the
• 30:32
  line. So he's he's kept all of that
• 30:35
  form clearly and from the Aussie team mate.
• 30:38
  So Kai Robinson was first, first home for the Aussies and 24th,
• 30:42
  followed by Ed Marks 25th, Morgan McDonald 31st, Isaac
• 30:47
  Hayne by the way, 39th. What I run that is Seth
• 30:51
  O'Donnell 45th and half to 54th. But surely, thank you across
• 30:58
  country you're putting money on South O'Donnell to be all them
• 31:00
  lads. I don't know if he's that good.
• 31:03
  Is he like, what's he run? That's that.
• 31:06
  So he's run 28 flat which is maybe worth 2740?
• 31:10
  No, he's run 2759 solo. Yeah.
• 31:14
  So maybe that's worth 2740 do you want to say?
• 31:18
  Yeah, that's way better than the lads.
• 31:20
  But like. Then was didn't Ed Marks finish
• 31:23
  second term at Zatapa and he's just finished twenty places
• 31:28
  ahead of a mayor? Yeah.
• 31:32
  Oh well. I.
• 31:32
  Think that's a great thing by that?
• 31:35
  I think he lets the big occasion get to him because he was shit
• 31:37
  in them in the world as well. Well, he wasn't like, he just
• 31:41
  didn't perform up to his potential, let's say.
• 31:45
  Yeah, I'm not sure if there's just levels as well, but yeah.
• 31:50
  And then looking at the British theme for some more context
• 31:55
  comparison to the first breath, David Malarkey, I'm not sure
• 31:59
  besides cross country, have we spoken of them in any form of
• 32:02
  all these races that we cover? So maybe we'll have to do a bit
• 32:06
  of a deep dive on him because he's finished 26th.
• 32:09
  So he's Kai Robinson 24th at Marks 25th, David Malarkey 26th,
• 32:18
  then Matt Ramsdon 5350 third. Sorry.
• 32:21
  So a bit of a gap back to the to the next breath, Jacob Kahn 71st
• 32:26
  and then Rory Leonard ship. Bit of a tough weekend for him
• 32:30
  finishing 79th and his eyes would have been fixed on what
• 32:34
  was happening where Owen was as well.
• 32:37
  I did see he posted a video. I don't know how that race
• 32:40
  actually went for him, but he's like he's almost cup of tea at
• 32:43
  the finish line. Like he's stumbled across it and
• 32:46
  then like is immediately over the finish line.
• 32:49
  Just like tumbled and. That's probably the the comment
• 32:53
  and that's where if you look at Brian, Brian Fay, who's judged
• 32:58
  it near on to perfection, right and run through the field and
• 33:02
  the way to run it. If you're just off and just
• 33:05
  going the other way, they talk about this, but the amount of
• 33:08
  places you just get swamped, don't you?
• 33:10
  And so and the margins in this race are probably so small.
• 33:13
  And so, yeah, guys have either probably the ability to like on
• 33:18
  a track race or on a road race, you can measure your effort.
• 33:21
  It's it's a lot more solved, whereas this it's a lot more on
• 33:25
  field and for more reports. The crowd was absolutely epic.
• 33:28
  So probably a few people just got carried away, didn't.
• 33:35
  They observation as well. Look at did you say the women in
• 33:40
  the women's field, 9 out of the top ten were East African and it
• 33:44
  looks like 9 out of the top ten in the men's wear here.
• 33:46
  Either way, clearly completely dominated both genders by East
• 33:50
  Africans. Then look at the 10,000 meters
• 33:54
  in Tokyo where like the Europeans had such a good run of
• 33:57
  it, it shows how much of a factor the heat was in Tokyo to
• 34:02
  bring it down to like basically who's the fastest at the end of
• 34:05
  a race rather than ultimately who's the fittest underlying.
• 34:11
  I think so, and that's where some of these championship
• 34:13
  races, I think if they just run super fast, it's hard to not bet
• 34:20
  on like someone from Ethiopia, like who finished second in the
• 34:25
  5K Yomiff. Kajol Kamali.
• 34:29
  Was it Kajol show in the end? Oh yeah, maybe.
• 34:33
  But like someone. Mali snooker bronze.
• 34:35
  Yeah, like someone like him though, was probably, if it's
• 34:40
  set up for him with a pacemaker, like all those fast diamond
• 34:43
  leagues, he's running everyone off their feet, but they just
• 34:45
  aren't set up like that. So like you say, in terms of
• 34:48
  peak Physiology, these guys are probably a bit stronger, but
• 34:51
  they just don't get to show it. And if it's a sit and kick,
• 34:53
  you're inviting these guys to the a lot of the year in it PN
• 34:57
  athletes. Like remember, we've spoken to
• 34:59
  some of them and they're working on their kicks and their
• 35:01
  neuromuscular stuff, like the emphasis that goes on M the
• 35:05
  final, final phase of the race and getting that right.
• 35:08
  They seem to do well. Maybe another comment is that
• 35:12
  you know some of the European and American athletes are
• 35:15
  peaking for those championships more so than what they are for
• 35:18
  world cross. Yeah, they almost concede.
• 35:25
  Oh, and was Brian Faye the only representative as well for Team
• 35:29
  Ireland, at least in the men's? Yesterday the under 20 lad and
• 35:35
  then 2 senior women and Brian Faye.
• 35:38
  There's only four. He's justified the cost of his
• 35:42
  flight ticket, doesn't he? Absolutely, Absolutely.
• 35:50
  I think they mentioned over the commentary that there won't be
• 35:52
  another world cross until 2029. Did you guys?
• 35:55
  Catch that there's no podcast and it was it's meant to be
• 36:00
  every second year, but for some reason they're doing a
• 36:03
  three-year gap now. Umm and I don't think they've a
• 36:08
  country like lined up to host it yet.
• 36:10
  So, umm, but I think they're trying to make it a Winter
• 36:15
  Olympic event apparently, which will be super cool.
• 36:19
  But yeah, it's a shame. They should have these every
• 36:22
  second year to keep, I don't know, a major event every year.
• 36:27
  Like just put it at the start of the year like they have now,
• 36:29
  like in terms of put it started Jan and just ahead of indoors.
• 36:33
  Like I think it's like really well timed kicks off the new
• 36:36
  year. It's an exciting race.
• 36:38
  Like, I just think it's a shame that that, like, you're going to
• 36:43
  wait three years for the next instalment.
• 36:44
  And like, this event brings together the best runners over a
• 36:48
  whole, you know, anywhere from the 5K through to the marathon,
• 36:52
  all the best runners are lining up.
• 36:54
  And so it's so exciting. I think it's the hardest race in
• 36:56
  the world to win, and it should be.
• 36:58
  It's a shame Like Armgren and like Hab Tom and these sorts of
• 37:05
  guys aren't all toeing the line too.
• 37:09
  Happy savage. Yeah, happy sick, Right.
• 37:11
  But put more money on it. Apparently it's like 30 grand
• 37:14
  for the win. You know, you put 200 grand or
• 37:17
  something on there, get the right people in.
• 37:19
  But yeah, that was World Cross I.
• 37:23
  Don't know when. You guys met?
• 37:26
  Any oh, sorry, no, sorry. Because the clashing with like
• 37:29
  the heads of sport in like the proper winter sports.
• 37:33
  And they're saying that in order to be a part of the Winter
• 37:36
  Olympics, it needs to happen on either snow or ice, which I
• 37:41
  guess is fair enough. But imagine then they made the
• 37:44
  cross country race on snow. That would be even better seen
• 37:47
  all the Africans on snow. Well, so 2013 if you look up,
• 37:52
  and this is a bit of a preview of YouTube Diaries, but 2013
• 37:56
  world cross. So World Athletics, this might
• 37:59
  be near 10 years ago released a series of highlights packages of
• 38:03
  the world cross country events. So they would sniff together
• 38:07
  some highlights of each meeting when it used to run every year.
• 38:12
  And they're really well put together pieces.
• 38:14
  And 2013 was in snow. And I remember Aussie guy Collis
• 38:22
  Birmingham was in the, I think finished top ten.
• 38:25
  And I think there was an American in the top ten as well.
• 38:28
  I don't know if it was Dathan Risenheim.
• 38:30
  It could have been, but that was that might have been the last
• 38:33
  time an American was in the top 10.
• 38:35
  American male in the senior men's top 10, and that was in
• 38:39
  snow. And then I was watching the 1992
• 38:42
  race, which was in Boston, and there was an Irish woman that
• 38:45
  finished second. She just got out, sprinted,
• 38:47
  Makini, makini. I'll have to have to Fact Check
• 38:52
  her name. But that was also on the snow.
• 38:55
  So they do do it on the snow. And so I think it should just
• 38:58
  make its way into the Winter Olympics is is what I think.
• 39:03
  It would be class and they were also saying obviously, well, not
• 39:07
  obviously, but perhaps unsurprisingly, an African
• 39:13
  nation has never won a medal at the Winter Olympics, so no doubt
• 39:18
  that would change if that were to be the case.
• 39:22
  And inclusive it would make it more of a world world event.
• 39:26
  I, I did hear the counter argument being that it's a bit
• 39:29
  of a slippery slope like you bring this in and then they're
• 39:31
  just going to have a heap of other sports knocking at their
• 39:34
  head, you know, trying to get themselves into the Winter
• 39:38
  Olympics. But.
• 39:41
  Yeah. So to try and build the case,
• 39:43
  apparently Seb Coe is his team enforces with someone from like
• 39:48
  cyclo Cross or like mountain biking or something to try and
• 39:51
  like get that involved as well and add to the case.
• 39:55
  If break dancing can make the Summer Olympics, then you'd
• 39:57
  think cross country could make the Winter Olympics.
• 40:01
  Surely, even though I'm not sure many Kenyans we put in their
• 40:06
  hands up to run in the calls, they don't seem to like it.
• 40:10
  Give us a chance then to yeah. So that was the world cross
• 40:19
  country. The other one of the other two
• 40:23
  events that was on over the weekend was the Houston half
• 40:26
  marathon. And it's not wasn't just the
• 40:28
  half marathon, but I know we've really previewed the half.
• 40:31
  They have both the half and full.
• 40:33
  Before we get into the half, maybe just to mention that the
• 40:36
  winners of the men and women's race, I don't know if you guys
• 40:39
  saw the results, but Zahed Talby won the men's race in 20545,
• 40:45
  which I think might be the third fastest time ever by an
• 40:48
  American. And Great Britain's Kelly Hauger
• 40:54
  Thackery won the women's race in 2/24/17.
• 40:59
  And I did see her cross the line.
• 41:00
  She was a bit emotional. She was paced by her husband,
• 41:02
  which I think was the case when we were over in Maragami.
• 41:05
  Was that right guys? Yeah, he ran side by side with
• 41:12
  her the whole time there and don't know if it, I mean, a
• 41:18
  Pacer's a pacer. Like it's fine.
• 41:19
  The fact that it's her husband probably helps her a little bit
• 41:22
  more, but he should, he should let her go and actually like
• 41:27
  cross the finish line by herself because it just almost, it looks
• 41:30
  like a bit of a handholding exercise that sounds a little
• 41:34
  bit critical. But when you when you're
• 41:36
  watching the actual like when the camera shot pans down that
• 41:39
  finish straight and you see them coming towards, it's like she
• 41:43
  should at least finish solo. But I mean, it's actually she
• 41:48
  can do what she wants. She's the race winner.
• 41:50
  She blitzed everyone anyway. And I guess in the defence of
• 41:54
  that, everyone else had the opportunity to run entirely
• 41:57
  behind her husband and get paced by him.
• 42:01
  I do. He I'm sure he broke 210 himself
• 42:07
  for the first time. Shit, what marathon was it at
• 42:11
  that The marathon project a couple weeks back?
• 42:13
  I think maybe he ran 209 or somewhere.
• 42:17
  He ran 209. Yeah.
• 42:19
  So he's no, he's no joke. She is.
• 42:23
  I tried to look up how much they would have got for winning the
• 42:26
  marathon at the Houston Hub. At the Houston Marathon, it just
• 42:29
  says that they'll offer a total of $220,000 in prize money.
• 42:34
  Breakdown TVA. It's a bit average, isn't it?
• 42:40
  It's hard to figure out what that might mean for the winner
• 42:44
  of a certain gender isn't. It.
• 42:46
  Yeah, it's not. Going to be a lot though.
• 42:49
  No. And so then in the half
• 42:52
  marathon, in the women's race, is it Fente Bellonet from
• 43:00
  Ethiopia was the winner at 6449, just ahead of Sergei Gabra
• 43:06
  Salima in 6452. And third was Bouze Deriba
• 43:13
  Kajila in 6557. So some pretty, some pretty fast
• 43:20
  runs by the women. And in the men's race, as we
• 43:23
  foreshadowed, the winner was Hab Tom Samuel in 5901 ahead of
• 43:28
  Patrick Kiprop in 5914. And third was Mohamed El Youssef
• 43:33
  in 5921, eight guys under under under an hour, including the
• 43:42
  likes of Rory Linklater and Ryan Ford and Casey Klinger.
• 43:46
  So some fast times over there, but I think we we had the line.
• 43:51
  We didn't think that Zerson A Tedesse's Eritrane record of
• 43:53
  5830 odd would go. And we you mentioned Ryan, I
• 43:58
  think in the preview that Connor Manse's American record of 5914
• 44:04
  or thereabouts was would have been in jeopardy if that's who
• 44:07
  you had Tom was representing. So yeah, 59 flat pretty much,
• 44:12
  yeah, too good as we as we thought he might be.
• 44:16
  Like for a debut, couldn't like much better.
• 44:19
  Really. Got it.
• 44:21
  Yeah, pretty handy. And he, he's a Hocus sponsored
• 44:24
  athlete, right? Yeah, so once he run some hoker
• 44:28
  rocket, something, I don't know. I don't know if they've ever
• 44:30
  seen wheels that fast. Are you ready?
• 44:35
  I don't know it's he's doing bits.
• 44:37
  Roker Damon messed their money well.
• 44:39
  Mate fuck that backed a good horse within.
• 44:42
  Like imagine what he'd do in AI. Don't know are those shoes?
• 44:47
  I mean here's the real deal. I wonder those shoes now.
• 44:52
  Like with the shoes, there's there's not much difference
• 44:55
  between all the brands now. Like they're all sort of on a
• 44:57
  level playing field. And like even like Casey
• 45:01
  Clinger, Hughes, Brooks, like Ryan Ford is on, Alex Meyer is
• 45:06
  PM. I'm pretty sure like Patrick
• 45:09
  Kiprup is either. I did ask her Freaking nice.
• 45:11
  Like there's a spread of them all, like they're all equal.
• 45:14
  Hilary Bores and Hoke as well, and he was at night.
• 45:18
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 45:18
  So like, there's a massive spread there.
• 45:21
  So yeah, they're all on level playing field.
• 45:23
  I'd say it's just Haptam is the outlier there.
• 45:26
  He's the freak. Physiology is pretty pretty
• 45:29
  solid. 2650 guy so it converted pretty nicely.
• 45:34
  Really now they're like Haptam get in the lab where we're
• 45:37
  making the Samuel shoe. But the sad thing is to kind of
• 45:44
  spin off the back of that if, if he was American, it would be
• 45:48
  such a bigger deal than what it is.
• 45:51
  The fact that he's just run that time.
• 45:53
  Like it'll probably just kinda it is what it is.
• 45:56
  And it's a great result now. But in terms of like being
• 46:00
  remembered and like the mass media across the world, like
• 46:04
  kind of promoting it, it'll just by next week, it'll be forgotten
• 46:08
  about. So like I've seen some
• 46:09
  journalists, they were overlooking his results and more
• 46:14
  so talking about this Alex Mayer running like the the third
• 46:17
  fastest American time ever or something like that.
• 46:20
  Not the fact that the NCAA champ has just gone and blitzed the
• 46:25
  whole race on his debut. Like that's the US, like the
• 46:30
  overhype, anything and everyone. Like who's the they were hyping
• 46:36
  you on Jane Henningren? And when there's that British
• 46:40
  girl, what's the British girls? The young British girl called
• 46:42
  she one year old. Cross, Fitzgerald.
• 46:45
  Like Hannigan wouldn't lace in Fitzgerald spikes.
• 46:49
  Yes, no one knows that in Fitzgerald.
• 46:51
  Everyone knows that Jane Hannigan.
• 46:53
  They just there's, they're hike merchants.
• 46:57
  But, and we do love the Let's Run guys, but they did they
• 47:02
  always drinking the kool-aid on the men's field, like because
• 47:06
  who did? Who did we have?
• 47:07
  We had Kip to Parker Wolf Grand Blancs.
• 47:11
  Like I was like, yeah, these yeah, Nico Young.
• 47:14
  I was like, man, yeah, these guys could meddle like.
• 47:16
  And then I was like, and then I was like, snap out of it.
• 47:19
  Like East Africa is going to absolutely smoke them.
• 47:22
  And they did. And so did yeah, look, I mean,
• 47:25
  they still ran well, but I didn't realise until the the
• 47:29
  race was running. But the NCAA champ who was who
• 47:35
  won the OR second just to behind Parker Wolf, who let out the US
• 47:38
  trials. Did you hear a bit of
• 47:41
  controversy with that just to go back to Will Cross for a second,
• 47:44
  but is. That the Rocky Hanson guy.
• 47:47
  Yeah, so apparently he had a stress, like a stress reaction
• 47:50
  and it wasn't until the night before the race or two nights
• 47:53
  before the race did he inform US track and field that he was late
• 47:58
  withdrawal. And so then they tried to get
• 48:01
  because they had two people as whoever finished what like the
• 48:05
  next two places back in the trials, they were the natural
• 48:08
  roll ups and they neither of them one was in like flag,
• 48:11
  someone was somewhere else and they couldn't get flights in
• 48:13
  time or weren't prepared at all to be able to race.
• 48:16
  Like they literally had two days notice or a day's notice which
• 48:20
  when Americans hosting it, it sounds like pretty poor form by
• 48:24
  Rocky Hansen's management. Right?
• 48:28
  So a bit shit I thought I mentioned.
• 48:31
  That seemed dirty. Yeah, I think so.
• 48:34
  And where was Grant Fisher? What happened there?
• 48:38
  He didn't do the trials, did he? Is he kind of focusing on
• 48:41
  indoors or something instead? OK.
• 48:46
  Did he? Was it recently got engaged?
• 48:48
  Was that a little while ago now? Maybe that was during his
• 48:51
  postseason, but yeah, no, recently.
• 48:57
  There you go. So on to the main event, right?
• 49:01
  Wait, one, one last comment, sorry, just to build suspense
• 49:04
  for Owen, slight, slight bit longer.
• 49:07
  And on that women's half marathon results, just going
• 49:12
  back to the world cross country as well in reference to Ethiopia
• 49:16
  in the women's took the team gold medal there over in
• 49:20
  Tallahassee. And then at the Houston half
• 49:23
  marathon, the Ethiopian women have also finished one 2-3 and
• 49:27
  five. So like what the hell is that
• 49:31
  depth to be able to throw 6 up over there?
• 49:35
  I did Ethiopia on fraud watch. They that's all I want to say.
• 49:42
  They're on fraud watch. There's nothing coming out of
• 49:45
  that country regarding people getting caught.
• 49:48
  So yeah, I don't trust them. That's all I'm saying A.
• 49:53
  Lot of smoke, you reckon? Yeah, but that's crazy fast
• 49:57
  running. Like you have to have some
• 49:59
  talent if you're running out fast.
• 50:03
  Well, that segues nicely because an Ethiopian was second in this
• 50:07
  race. So this one's for the the
• 50:10
  broccoli lovers out there, those that hopefully are doing it with
• 50:13
  lactate strips rather than injectables, taking blood from
• 50:18
  them rather than putting blood in.
• 50:21
  So you're going to say rather than no strips then that would
• 50:23
  have been good. Well, hopefully they I reckon
• 50:27
  the broccoli and the no strips go hand in hand.
• 50:29
  I think they're the although you did make a good point.
• 50:32
  When you're breathing hard, you're probably breathing out
• 50:34
  your mouth, so. I did, I did.
• 50:37
  We're kind of like going back on each other's argument here
• 50:39
  because I did also see a few more nose tapes this weekend.
• 50:42
  But like I said, when wants to see the actual research, I'll
• 50:46
  say sorry. It's like when you're buying a
• 50:48
  car though, and then you just keep saying that model of car.
• 50:51
  You probably anytime the you're within kui of a nose strip, it
• 50:54
  stands out. But I'll set this race up and
• 50:58
  then I'll hand it over to the man on the ground.
• 51:00
  But the Valencia 10K was we all tuned into this, some on the on
• 51:06
  the road, others from the stream.
• 51:09
  But yeah, so 10K flat fast race in Valencia from what I could
• 51:15
  see, the atmosphere looked phenomenal.
• 51:18
  The the IT looked cool. The weather, the roads look look
• 51:22
  flat and fast and it looked like the runners were there in droves
• 51:27
  and ready to to RIP fair reflections.
• 51:31
  Do you think of? Yeah, like you get there and
• 51:36
  it's actually a little bit cold in the morning.
• 51:38
  And I'd say it was around 8 or 9.
• 51:41
  And because the sun's just coming up when you're warming up
• 51:43
  and then when the sun comes up, it's like clear blue sky.
• 51:46
  Like it starts to warm up a little bit.
• 51:48
  But like, perfect. And apparently I was talking to
• 51:52
  Alfie Mantorp after I finished and he was saying there's a
• 51:55
  little bit of a wind on like one of the sides, but I didn't
• 52:00
  really, I didn't feel anything. So.
• 52:04
  But like, like you look ahead and just like a snake of people
• 52:08
  and yeah, it's and like there's big crowds of people everywhere
• 52:12
  you look. I sort of because you're so like
• 52:15
  invested in the race, you don't really get to like soak it in
• 52:17
  the atmosphere. And so that's one like sad
• 52:22
  thing, but, umm, no Incredible event if anyone has to be on
• 52:26
  everyone's like race bucket list to go to Valencia.
• 52:30
  Like the city itself is beautiful, like all the
• 52:33
  buildings, like every single street is like photogenic.
• 52:37
  And so. Yeah.
• 52:38
  And the where, yeah, they like diverted a river or something.
• 52:42
  So that's where everyone runs. This riverbed is now like a
• 52:45
  massive park. So like there's like cycle
• 52:49
  lanes. There is, it's like a salt.
• 52:51
  It's like a dark pastor running. There's green areas,
• 52:55
  playgrounds, astral pitches. There's a track in that riverbed
• 52:58
  as well. It's just, yeah, it's really as
• 53:01
  an incredible city. Maybe.
• 53:04
  Did we want to, umm, did you want to paint a picture of what
• 53:07
  it was like? Because when did you arrive in
• 53:09
  Valencia? Was it the day before the race?
• 53:13
  So I arrived Friday morning, so Friday morning there was a good
• 53:18
  few, like at least on the plane. And you're 1.
• 53:22
  Ava Crean, that Irish girl who won the marathon, she ran, she
• 53:27
  actually ran a Irish under 23 record.
• 53:30
  She ran 32 mid or something like that.
• 53:34
  Umm Efrem G Day was on my plane. Umm, yeah, he was just.
• 53:40
  Those are runners. And did he run the Irish record
• 53:44
  as well? Yeah, he ran a new Irish record,
• 53:47
  which I was delighted from. Umm, yeah, he's such a nice
• 53:50
  person. Like even like sitting down
• 53:52
  waiting for the plane and taking pictures with kids and just sat
• 53:55
  in a way. And yeah, he's just, he's a
• 53:57
  very, very humble person. And is it was that a direct
• 54:01
  flight from what, from Dublin to Valencia?
• 54:05
  So done to Valencia, Yeah, it's around 2 hours, 20 minutes, 2
• 54:09
  hours, 30 minutes. And so yeah, literally hopping
• 54:12
  up, playing fly across. And then we got a shuttle or a
• 54:17
  train to the like the city. So I think the train was like
• 54:22
  40-40 minutes or something like that, maybe less.
• 54:26
  And so yeah, I think we got like it there was these like you get
• 54:31
  like a ten stop ticket and for or like a 10 use like you can
• 54:36
  top it like 10 times and for the weekend.
• 54:40
  So but he could share it so I could share it with like another
• 54:43
  person. So then that's just two taps out
• 54:45
  of the 10 tops gone. And so yeah, it's super easy to
• 54:50
  get to like, yeah, the location we were saying was perfect.
• 54:54
  It was like, I'm not saying 8 minute jog to the start line.
• 54:58
  So umm, yeah, it was pretty ideal.
• 55:01
  Did you fly by yourself or anyone go over with you?
• 55:05
  So my mom and dad flew on the Thursday, so they were there a
• 55:10
  day before, but they flew to a place, Terviaka, which is like 2
• 55:14
  hours South of Valencia. So they were staying a little
• 55:18
  place there and they are coming home.
• 55:19
  They're still there now. They went for a little holiday,
• 55:21
  but I flew with my coach, his wife and my girlfriend.
• 55:25
  So yeah, I had a big little posse with me.
• 55:29
  The Smith entourage. Yeah, that was good.
• 55:34
  It's phenomenal that you get you go from Ireland to Valencia,
• 55:38
  including the coach ride in the same time Ryan goes from Perth
• 55:41
  to Melbourne or quicker than what Ryan goes from Perth to
• 55:44
  Melbourne. It is.
• 55:47
  It is pretty crazy. Like you don't understand how
• 55:49
  big Australia is until you like, you put it on Europe and like
• 55:52
  actually see the size. Is, is that an, A Ryanair flight
• 55:58
  that you're taking as well? Yeah.
• 56:00
  And like. It's the first time I've been on
• 56:03
  Ryanair in like 2 years since I've been home Australia.
• 56:06
  I swear they've made it cheaper. This like the actual plane
• 56:10
  cheaper. Like you're literally sitting on
• 56:13
  cardboard and there's no like like generally to sort of like a
• 56:18
  cushion for your head. Normally it's literally just for
• 56:22
  shit chair that like there's the smallest a bit of cushion in the
• 56:27
  hall chair. It is so shit and but it's, to
• 56:31
  be honest, it's like you're not affordable time.
• 56:33
  You had a bag and all that sort of shit.
• 56:34
  And yeah, it's, it's cheap. It's they have loads of flights.
• 56:40
  That's the other thing. So like it is probably it is the
• 56:43
  best option when travelling Europe.
• 56:45
  And but yeah, the seats are just not it.
• 56:49
  Our shoes cheaper over there. Did you try and if you had to
• 56:54
  take carry on, did you try and buy some trainers or anything?
• 56:58
  No, I didn't even look at any shoe shops over there.
• 57:01
  I'd say it's pretty much the same as home.
• 57:02
  It's the euro. Yeah.
• 57:06
  See if flight tickets like €50 and then you add your hand
• 57:09
  luggage for like 70 euros something ridiculous.
• 57:13
  No, they ride you. So one way, let's say it could
• 57:15
  be like 20 and then you add your bag, it could be 40, but then
• 57:19
  the way home it could be like 120.
• 57:24
  So that's where they get you. And I had initially planned to
• 57:29
  fly out Saturday morning, fly home Sunday evening.
• 57:32
  But my coach was like, are you really going to fly the whole
• 57:34
  way to Valencia? And like sort of not your give
• 57:36
  yourself like the best chance of running well because you've only
• 57:38
  a couple of hours down to saddle and like you just want to give
• 57:41
  yourself the best chance to run fast.
• 57:43
  So I got fair enough. So I had to change think cost me
• 57:45
  like 50 or £60 to like change to flight and to the Friday.
• 57:51
  So and block it was worth it. Yeah.
• 57:55
  And so how was the shaker? How were you feeling?
• 57:57
  Because I and I don't know, did you, did you want to recap your
• 58:02
  week and maybe mention how things went on Sunday?
• 58:06
  Because we didn't speak about this.
• 58:08
  This has happened after we recorded, right?
• 58:11
  Yeah, so Sunday I didn't feel the best.
• 58:14
  Like I felt a little bit sick. I don't know whether it's
• 58:16
  because like the house I'm in doesn't really have heating so
• 58:20
  well, it's not on a timer. So I guess to get up and
• 58:22
  actually physically turn on. So when you wake up in the
• 58:24
  morning, the room is pretty cold, especially when it's like
• 58:27
  -2 outside. So I don't know if it's whether
• 58:29
  it's I'm breathing in like cold air, like my throat is like a
• 58:32
  little bit dry or it just felt off.
• 58:34
  So during the recording I just didn't feel the best, but umm, I
• 58:38
  was like, ah, I'll just get out and do like 60 or 70 minutes
• 58:41
  just to get the legs. And it was super icy.
• 58:44
  So I went to this sort of like area, what like a trail and I
• 58:48
  was wearing them to my mag Max. So would like cushion shoes like
• 58:51
  big stack protect the legs and, and yeah, after like 20 minutes
• 58:57
  did nice. And I've so I've a bad ankle as
• 59:00
  well. Every all of my siblings have
• 59:02
  bad ankles. It's like in our family was like
• 59:04
  the last ankles, we say umm, so I rolled my bad ankle and umm,
• 59:10
  every time I do it like I just do lagments straight away.
• 59:13
  This one, it sounds like bad, but adrenaline hits in and like
• 59:17
  I jogged on and it was all right.
• 59:18
  So I think the loop is like 45 minutes.
• 59:22
  So I was 20 minutes in. So I jogged on another like umm
• 59:27
  10/15 and for the 1st 10 it was actually OK.
• 59:30
  Like I could get by, but then I don't know what the adrenaline
• 59:33
  start, adrenaline started wearing off.
• 59:35
  It started to get pretty sore, but sure I was still like a good
• 59:38
  bit away from the car. So I sort of like jogged walk to
• 59:42
  jogged walk and umm yeah, I ended up doing like 50 minutes
• 59:49
  and the ankle was pretty sore. Sunday evening.
• 59:52
  Still took anti inflams iced compression on it.
• 59:57
  Umm Monday morning I didn't do anything.
• 1:00:00
  It was pretty sore just to even walk on umm.
• 1:00:04
  So yeah, I ran my call. She was like, look, if you don't
• 1:00:07
  run till Saturday afternoon, it doesn't really matter.
• 1:00:09
  Just umm like give it every chance to come right.
• 1:00:13
  So I was meant to have my last session on Tuesday, missed that,
• 1:00:15
  didn't run Tuesday. Then it started to feel like a
• 1:00:19
  little bit good umm on Wednesday.
• 1:00:21
  And I don't know, like on your watch you can see like your
• 1:00:25
  total mileage for the week. And like on a Monday I normally
• 1:00:28
  have nearly like 20 K 21 arcade on.
• 1:00:32
  So when it's Tuesday and my watch is on zero, I was like,
• 1:00:34
  ah, like I don't know in your head you just start feeling
• 1:00:37
  unfit. Like haven't done a session in a
• 1:00:39
  while. So Wednesday I went to the gym
• 1:00:42
  and done like 30 minutes on the treadmill and the first like 15
• 1:00:46
  it was a little bit sore. But then as I get into the run,
• 1:00:50
  it started like easing. So it's positive and Thursday
• 1:00:55
  then I umm jogged again. I got what did I do?
• 1:01:01
  I done 45, I think 45 easy again and the same sort of thing.
• 1:01:08
  This time I done on the road before work and then again a
• 1:01:11
  little bit sore and then it eased as I got into the run.
• 1:01:16
  So Friday then was the flight day.
• 1:01:18
  So, umm, I, I, yeah, flew Friday morning and then got to Valencia
• 1:01:23
  and then I done a shake out and in the OR done a little jog.
• 1:01:28
  I don't like 45 few strides because I hadn't done speed or I
• 1:01:33
  hadn't like moved the legs fast since like the Saturday before.
• 1:01:38
  So like, I don't know, you just feel like you've done nothing
• 1:01:42
  like when you're constantly trained like twice a day when
• 1:01:45
  you go to doing basically, I think by the Friday here I'd
• 1:01:48
  done like 12 or 14 kilometers and so I was either going to be
• 1:01:54
  super fresh or super stale. Umm, but again, like the whole
• 1:01:59
  time, like the ankle isn't 100%. Like even today, like it, it
• 1:02:03
  isn't 100%. Like it still feels like there's
• 1:02:05
  an issue and bought once I got going on it like it warms up and
• 1:02:09
  it and it becomes good. So then Saturday got out to do
• 1:02:15
  my like proper shakeout. So I don't 30 minutes sticks,
• 1:02:18
  100m strides. And you, I think you'd
• 1:02:21
  mentioned, right, like everything's booked, you can
• 1:02:24
  you're going to go. So like if it if you can't run,
• 1:02:27
  you can't run, but hopefully it just loosens out right is your
• 1:02:31
  mindset. Yeah, like, come on.
• 1:02:33
  Come Wednesday during that week, I was like, look, because like
• 1:02:37
  I'm always like, oh, like I'm like better off like running
• 1:02:41
  through the pain or just like calling it and I don't know,
• 1:02:44
  like maybe I, I actually didn't even decide like probably what I
• 1:02:48
  was going to do, but umm, because then it started to come
• 1:02:52
  good on the Thursday, Friday. But umm, like like I always
• 1:02:55
  would have, always would have run regardless, even though it's
• 1:02:58
  probably not the best thing. Like you need to look bigger
• 1:02:59
  picture, but it's just like when you pay so much money, it's such
• 1:03:02
  a good opportunity to run fast. And like I knew I was relatively
• 1:03:07
  fit coming into it. So it's just like the what if
• 1:03:10
  for? Like what could happen?
• 1:03:12
  Yeah. And I think say if you're
• 1:03:14
  feeling like some sort of hotspot that you think is like a
• 1:03:17
  crack somewhere, then you're taking on it's a different sort
• 1:03:20
  of risk versus a notoriously bad ligaments in your ankle that you
• 1:03:26
  you probably know is more is likely to be OK.
• 1:03:30
  But you know, like it's, it's yeah, end of the day, it's your
• 1:03:34
  it's your call. But you're sort of weighing up
• 1:03:37
  how bad, what's the worst outcome?
• 1:03:38
  And that the ankle is, is probably not going to be too
• 1:03:43
  bad, right? Versus some other sort of thing
• 1:03:45
  where you're like, oh, I'm potentially going to put myself
• 1:03:48
  in some strife. Yeah, like the fact that I could
• 1:03:51
  like hop on it, no pain. It's just like the mobility in
• 1:03:55
  the ankle is like at like I'd say like 75%.
• 1:03:58
  Like I don't have like the full range of motion in a compared to
• 1:04:02
  like my my other ankle. I went to my physio on Thursday
• 1:04:06
  before I flew on Friday and it was like yellow.
• 1:04:08
  It's ligaments. He was thinking it might be out
• 1:04:12
  place a little bit, but like if I'm able to jump, I'm like run
• 1:04:16
  fast on it. Like it's it's not the end of
• 1:04:19
  the world. Like I can like I'm going to run
• 1:04:21
  this evening on it. Put it that way.
• 1:04:24
  But yeah. So Friday, little shakeout
• 1:04:27
  Saturday then got the park was hopping like so many people out
• 1:04:32
  doing their shakeouts. You see all the pro kits.
• 1:04:37
  Yeah, it's super fair. Such like good balls around the
• 1:04:39
  face. And I was just finishing my
• 1:04:41
  strides and I saw I see Mr. Andres Angren running and I like
• 1:04:49
  make I kind of it. I'm give him a thumbs up and he
• 1:04:52
  gives me a thumbs up back. And I was like, Oh my God.
• 1:04:55
  And then he runs off and he comes back and I'm doing like
• 1:05:03
  like jogging home and I'm like Vamos Andres.
• 1:05:08
  And then he smiles and he gives me another thumbs up.
• 1:05:11
  So yeah, we're basically, we're basically best mates now.
• 1:05:17
  So he's coming on the pod next week, right?
• 1:05:22
  I'll just need to double check with him for but you know, the
• 1:05:26
  whole vibe, the whole vibe around the place was incredible.
• 1:05:30
  And then, yeah, Sunday morning, got up at quarter, by the way,
• 1:05:36
  the night before the race, slept absolutely nothing and on and
• 1:05:41
  off because, yeah, like, it was pretty cold, like in the room,
• 1:05:46
  but like, 'cause you're just so fired up, you like, you start to
• 1:05:48
  sweat. And then I don't know, it's
• 1:05:49
  weird, but like. 88810 pastries go to the onset and just chill
• 1:05:55
  out. You didn't.
• 1:05:57
  No, unfortunately the Ryan Green so.
• 1:06:06
  Relaxed his sideways, but yeah. And no, so I grew up at quarter
• 1:06:12
  6, race is at half nine, umm, so quarter six, make my breakfast
• 1:06:18
  around 6 had like porridge and honey.
• 1:06:21
  Umm just do basic. And then I start like stretching
• 1:06:25
  out, doing like mobility and all that sort of stuff.
• 1:06:27
  Half six, I take my shot on my meal, just the one this time
• 1:06:31
  I've learned umm then yeah, sort of chill, watch YouTube video or
• 1:06:36
  something like that. And then half seven, I take my
• 1:06:39
  bike AB and then by 8:00 we're sort of getting ready, getting
• 1:06:46
  out of the house because I walked for a little bit with my
• 1:06:49
  coach, my family and all that. And then I get doing my my warm
• 1:06:55
  up, which is just standard like 15 minutes to by two minutes a
• 1:06:59
  threshold like you feel, I don't know, you just feel a bit
• 1:07:02
  sluggish, like you're looking at your watch and it's like three O
• 1:07:06
  6 and you're like, how am I going to run faster than this
• 1:07:08
  for like 10K? And even like this, I was like
• 1:07:14
  thinking back to the session, I don't where it was like 4 by 2K
• 1:07:17
  and in them two KS, I was hitting like 3 minute
• 1:07:20
  kilometers, but I 2 1/2 minutes between each Rep and I'm like,
• 1:07:25
  Oh, the hell am I going to string DS like back-to-back for
• 1:07:27
  10K? But it's like amazing.
• 1:07:29
  What like the taper, the people around you, the atmosphere like
• 1:07:34
  yourself, you get yourself up for It's crazy what you can
• 1:07:36
  actually do. Like on the day.
• 1:07:39
  Then I go to the warm up. So there was different like
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  zones. So there was like the elites,
• 1:07:44
  the sub elites, they were like untouchable.
• 1:07:46
  They had their own little warm up area and all that.
• 1:07:48
  And I was sort of like wave 1. And so I went to the wave a
• 1:07:54
  little bit early. So I like, I think it was 20
• 1:07:55
  minutes before the start just to try and get like a good place on
• 1:07:58
  the line and umm, yeah, just chilling there, people doing
• 1:08:03
  their strides and then big announcements saying the elites
• 1:08:07
  are going off. Then you had to be gone.
• 1:08:09
  The leads go, then we've 30 seconds and they slowly move up
• 1:08:12
  to the line and yeah, gun goes again and it's just like chaos
• 1:08:18
  and go on. Before you talk about your race,
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  can I just check you like very bravely last week on here, like
• 1:08:27
  pretty much stated what your race plan might be and like what
• 1:08:31
  your goals were and stuff. Did any of what you said there
• 1:08:34
  alter between when we recorded and like conversations you had
• 1:08:37
  with your coach during the week? Not the plan was to always try
• 1:08:42
  and get under 30 and like last when I went to the training camp
• 1:08:47
  in Spain, I sort of rolled out some goals for like it's coming
• 1:08:50
  year. I'm like 3015 was the goal.
• 1:08:56
  I was down then I'm like I had sort of like a go damn winter
• 1:09:00
  and I felt like I did have a jump in fitness, though, in your
• 1:09:05
  head, like 30 is like it is a big goal and like running to
• 1:09:07
  like break 30. So I'm like Valencia the crowd
• 1:09:11
  like even if I wasn't in that shape, you could nearly like
• 1:09:14
  rise to the occasion and so far, if I was ever going to break 30,
• 1:09:19
  it would have been there. I'm like the five Ki don't
• 1:09:21
  Christmas. That was a sort of like another
• 1:09:23
  indicator that like it could be on and the ankle.
• 1:09:28
  Like, I don't think sort of Dick could see it at the time though,
• 1:09:30
  could you? You're like Oh no, should have
• 1:09:33
  been faster in that 5K. Yeah, I know.
• 1:09:37
  And like you, I hate putting a time goal to a team because you
• 1:09:41
  never know what could happen. And like I didn't know I was
• 1:09:46
  going to twist my ankle. Like that could have totally
• 1:09:48
  derailed the whole thing and bought Yeah.
• 1:09:53
  And the race plan was to try and hit like just try and feel good
• 1:09:56
  going through 5K15 minutes and then try and kick it down.
• 1:10:02
  You might have mentioned that to us privately that that's what
• 1:10:04
  you wanted to do was that go through 5K in 15 minutes.
• 1:10:09
  But like I know you and I know how willing you are and I know
• 1:10:15
  how much you like the smoke. So how hard was it to because
• 1:10:20
  you did do that? I think you did exactly that,
• 1:10:22
  didn't you? You went through 5K in 15
• 1:10:24
  minutes. So how did you make that happen?
• 1:10:29
  It's, it is, it is pretty hard to hold yourself back.
• 1:10:32
  And I feel like that's what the marathon is like.
• 1:10:35
  You're meant to feel good. And in my head, in the 10K, you
• 1:10:37
  should be feeling all right, going through 5K because it is
• 1:10:42
  like after 5K, let's say it's 15 minutes worth of suffering and
• 1:10:47
  which I think most people are out to put up with.
• 1:10:50
  So that's the way it's sort of the plan was.
• 1:10:53
  And I feel like it's so easy to go out.
• 1:10:56
  Like I could have went out and run like a 255 or 250 first K,
• 1:11:01
  but it just sort of spiked the lactate that little bit and it
• 1:11:03
  just would have made the latter laugh around of the race and
• 1:11:07
  that little bit harder where instead because I was sort of
• 1:11:09
  controlled like I finished faster basically so.
• 1:11:14
  Yeah, but how did you know? Like so, yeah, what did you do
• 1:11:18
  to to moderate your efforts? Like, so you just, you just
• 1:11:21
  played that mantra and you just knew like that I agree with all
• 1:11:24
  those things. So how did you, how did you make
• 1:11:27
  that happen on race day? Were you just watching watching
• 1:11:30
  the clock a bit early just to make sure you're getting dialed
• 1:11:33
  into 3 minute KKS? So yeah, so the first basically
• 1:11:39
  the way the gun went off and like loads of people went ahead
• 1:11:44
  and I was just like sitting back.
• 1:11:45
  You started chopping your stride because there was this lad in
• 1:11:47
  front of me that wasn't, he shouldn't have been in front,
• 1:11:50
  but it that way like I was like the second or third row and he
• 1:11:53
  was the first row and he just wasn't going to run, let's say
• 1:11:56
  that 30 minutes, but go down. And so yeah, you're sort of
• 1:12:01
  chopping your stride just trying to find like a nice little area.
• 1:12:04
  But like this people are just flying by you.
• 1:12:06
  So it's just, it would be so easy to go off like a gun.
• 1:12:10
  Umm, but yeah. So I just try and like control
• 1:12:12
  for the first K and I looked at my watch and I was like 259, but
• 1:12:16
  the satellites in the, in the city, like it's not 100%.
• 1:12:21
  So umm, it went off like a second or two maybe before I hit
• 1:12:25
  the line. So, umm, I knew I was sort of
• 1:12:28
  there and then on my second K, it was like a a 257, but it beat
• 1:12:33
  like, let's say a good 10 meters before the line or something
• 1:12:36
  like a little bit before the line again.
• 1:12:37
  So I knew I was sort of like on it.
• 1:12:40
  And then after that I didn't look at the watch.
• 1:12:42
  I sort of knew like the feel and I sort of just like, yeah, sat
• 1:12:45
  in for enjoyed the ride and yeah, going through 5K according
• 1:12:53
  to the to the result, I was 15 flat and I was in position
• 1:12:59
  241st, which was yeah, pretty bang on.
• 1:13:05
  And then the second-half again, I felt good.
• 1:13:09
  So come 3K or so at six Ki seen the 6K sign and then I don't
• 1:13:15
  know, but I missed the the seven K sign.
• 1:13:20
  So I was sort of waiting for it and I was like I sort of had
• 1:13:23
  points on the map in my head like certain turns.
• 1:13:27
  I knew like the second last turn would have been like a mile to
• 1:13:31
  go Umm So I had that on my head to like sort of start push from
• 1:13:35
  there. But when I missed 7 Ki was like,
• 1:13:38
  wait a minute, when is this umm or yeah, sort of just threw me
• 1:13:41
  off a little bit, but I felt good anyway.
• 1:13:43
  So I sort of, I sort of gauge like a little bit after umm 6 Ki
• 1:13:48
  started like pushing on a little bit umm and umm yeah, I ended up
• 1:13:54
  coming home in 100 and 89th place.
• 1:13:58
  When you when you pushed on like we so did you have some people
• 1:14:02
  that you were sitting in with like early and then you just ran
• 1:14:06
  through them and then just used the momentum of just running
• 1:14:08
  over the top of people to sort of spur you on?
• 1:14:11
  Yeah, literally. So I was in the group feeling
• 1:14:13
  good, and then they sort of started like, or staying steady,
• 1:14:16
  but I started pushing on a little bit and then, yeah,
• 1:14:20
  you're just catching people the whole time.
• 1:14:22
  So yeah, like five Ki was 200 and 31st.
• 1:14:25
  I finished 100 and 88189. So yeah, passed a few and people
• 1:14:31
  are just like dying near the end.
• 1:14:33
  And did you, umm, did you, at what point did you know you're
• 1:14:36
  under like 30 minute pace? Did that, did that excite you
• 1:14:39
  when you started to think that that's this?
• 1:14:42
  I'm on here? Like when I was looking at my
• 1:14:45
  the watch flats, like I sort of knew by the 1st.
• 1:14:49
  Like in my head I thought I actually had time to bank.
• 1:14:51
  Like I thought I was on and then when I crossed the line, my
• 1:14:55
  watch said like 2929, but sure it was like the climber splits
• 1:15:01
  were so far off on my watch with the satellite.
• 1:15:03
  And then because the watch when you cross the line, the timer
• 1:15:07
  overhead was like 30 seconds ahead again.
• 1:15:10
  And so I knew, like I knew and I, I finished really hard, so I
• 1:15:16
  knew I ha, I was under, but I just didn't know like how far
• 1:15:19
  under. So, umm, I think when I was
• 1:15:21
  crossing the line it was like 30-30 something.
• 1:15:27
  So I'm I I or 30? Yeah, I thought I just scraped
• 1:15:30
  under umm, and then the results didn't appear for umm ages and I
• 1:15:36
  was just refreshing, refreshing, refreshing.
• 1:15:38
  It was so annoying. I didn't know.
• 1:15:40
  So were we. And so I, I just wanted to
• 1:15:42
  message Ryan privately because I'm like, because I, I didn't
• 1:15:45
  know, we didn't know at all how your result, how it went.
• 1:15:49
  And those, there wasn't a live results page that you could
• 1:15:53
  access and it just said like results pending or something
• 1:15:55
  like that. And so we don't know if it at
• 1:15:58
  all how it went. So we're just waiting in limbo
• 1:16:01
  to try and see when. They I was on your Strava,
• 1:16:03
  refreshing waiting for an activity.
• 1:16:05
  I didn't bother the Strava because I knew we'd have to
• 1:16:07
  unhide it, so I just I left the Strava.
• 1:16:12
  And but yeah, I was, I was going to ask, yeah, because looking at
• 1:16:16
  your splits, at the story that I picked up from it was that, oh,
• 1:16:21
  we'd literally measured it to perfection for 9 K, like when 3
• 1:16:25
  minute K is the whole way and then went right, chains are off,
• 1:16:29
  let's fucking send it. I'm on.
• 1:16:31
  Because then you run like 246 last K.
• 1:16:34
  You'd see that's I don't think that's right because then at the
• 1:16:37
  end there's like point. So my straw, my watch says
• 1:16:41
  around 10.09 K, so nearly an extra 100 meters.
• 1:16:45
  So there's an extra 15 seconds there that or 14 seconds or
• 1:16:50
  whatever that are unaccounted for.
• 1:16:53
  So I don't know. I definitely finished faster but
• 1:16:56
  I don't know what I finished in If you get me and I wish it's
• 1:17:01
  done, pay splits. I just add a second and a half
• 1:17:04
  per K. Yeah, so.
• 1:17:07
  So then like you say, Ryan, he wouldn't finish quick.
• 1:17:09
  And did you I noticed I don't know if you've.
• 1:17:12
  So in the live stream, Armgren, who's at the front of the race,
• 1:17:15
  he almost stopped at the first of those.
• 1:17:18
  So at the finish, they have it. Yeah.
• 1:17:21
  And this. Threw me off so much.
• 1:17:22
  Yeah, and it threw him off. He actually went to stop and
• 1:17:25
  everyone's like no keep going. So so for for listeners they
• 1:17:29
  have about 5 finishing shoots like. 30 years like all over the
• 1:17:33
  road. Yeah, these arches and so sorry,
• 1:17:37
  finishing, but finishing arches. And so he's like, have I
• 1:17:40
  finished? Have I won?
• 1:17:41
  And they're like, keep going. And it's so funny because you
• 1:17:44
  know, when you're just flooded with lactate, like your brains
• 1:17:47
  just not operating like because it's, it looks fairly obvious to
• 1:17:51
  the viewer, but to someone that's cooked, it was like,
• 1:17:54
  please let me stop. And your brain wants to stop,
• 1:17:57
  and your body wants. To and especially.
• 1:17:59
  No. Especially him, because he was
• 1:18:01
  first, like fair enough. Me 190th nearly.
• 1:18:04
  But because I started pushing like a mile out and when I seen
• 1:18:08
  the first, I was like, OK, OK, I'm nearly there.
• 1:18:10
  But still 100 meters to go after that arch.
• 1:18:13
  And the 100 meters was the most painfulest thing ever.
• 1:18:16
  You're like, no. So you know, you just go to the
• 1:18:18
  arms. You're just yeah, all over the
• 1:18:21
  place and. And because it's a long
• 1:18:23
  finishing straight, so you take a corner and it's probably about
• 1:18:26
  500 meters. So you've got this, you're
• 1:18:28
  sighting that those arches from a mile off, like well, from half
• 1:18:31
  a corner off. So there you're and it's
• 1:18:34
  psychologically, it's funny, you know, your brain allows you to
• 1:18:39
  push a bit more once you can sight to finish, you know, like
• 1:18:42
  it's something it just lets you release that final effort.
• 1:18:45
  And so it's it's actually genius if they've done this
• 1:18:48
  intentionally, but you've released to that and then for
• 1:18:51
  100 meters you can find another 100 meters, so.
• 1:18:54
  Yeah, but no, yeah. So the official time was at
• 1:19:00
  2947, but I asked that Instagram page what time can I use and
• 1:19:05
  they said I can use the net time which is 2944.
• 1:19:08
  So yeah, I'm going to set call myself A294410K guy nearly a
• 1:19:14
  minute PB Yeah, I was, I was like after the race, I don't
• 1:19:19
  know. Because you like you come 190th,
• 1:19:22
  you're like, oh, like you're still like 3 minutes off the
• 1:19:25
  winner and all that. But like this morning waking up,
• 1:19:28
  you sort of like you sort of see things a bit clearer.
• 1:19:31
  Like like it was a pretty good run from what I came for like on
• 1:19:34
  my running journey and to even to ever be able to call myself
• 1:19:39
  like a 29 minute 10K guy and it's yeah, it's pretty cool.
• 1:19:42
  So, yeah, pretty happy. I'm like to run that in January
• 1:19:46
  and it's it's pretty good. Hopefully I can sort of kick on
• 1:19:49
  just again, let's just try and stay fit and healthy is the name
• 1:19:53
  of the game. Like and keep on building on it.
• 1:19:56
  But I'm. Yeah, Florence, Yeah, an
• 1:19:58
  incredible city. It's just built for running and
• 1:20:02
  the crowds of people supporting you, just around you, everything
• 1:20:07
  about it. It's it's a special place.
• 1:20:09
  Yeah. Couldn't have went any better,
• 1:20:11
  really. I when I saw the women's results
• 1:20:16
  in the half marathon, it made me go and have a look because they
• 1:20:19
  were quite fast. I was like, what's the fastest
• 1:20:21
  women's run? And I had a look.
• 1:20:23
  And the Valencia half marathon for women boasts the top five
• 1:20:26
  times like Valencia. Like for me, I up until recently
• 1:20:30
  only associated Valencia with the Valencia marathon in
• 1:20:33
  December. I thought that was the race to
• 1:20:35
  go to Valencia for. But now after chatting with you,
• 1:20:38
  like with the 10K, watching like the half marathon, like they
• 1:20:43
  have just carved out such an incredible series of events.
• 1:20:46
  And I mean, like you mentioned 190 people, like I know some
• 1:20:51
  Japanese races like Maragami, the depth we saw there was quite
• 1:20:55
  phenomenal, right? But for a European race, I've
• 1:20:58
  not ever seen droves of European athletes finished like like they
• 1:21:03
  did in that 10K. It was quite something.
• 1:21:05
  It was pretty cool. Like you've a snake of people to
• 1:21:08
  follow the whole way around. Like where else in the world
• 1:21:13
  would you have like that many people running sub 30 like
• 1:21:16
  nowhere. And it's it's crazy.
• 1:21:19
  I'm like, yeah, I don't know. It's just yeah, special place.
• 1:21:24
  And the only piece of bloody feedback for them is this
• 1:21:27
  results thing, given that like, yeah, people like my own random
• 1:21:33
  was obvious because he won. And then somehow they looked
• 1:21:36
  out. Eilish Mccolgans run because I
• 1:21:39
  mean, she would, I don't know where she finished in the
• 1:21:41
  women's race, we'll say in a SEC, but she ran a European
• 1:21:44
  record anyway. And they managed to like verify
• 1:21:47
  that almost immediately. But then all the other fellas
• 1:21:51
  who are finishing like from fed down to like maybe 15th, like
• 1:21:56
  just finishing in bunches and bunches, they're all running
• 1:21:59
  records for their own countries. And because like the difference,
• 1:22:02
  like you said, between like the the gun time and the net time,
• 1:22:07
  you can't verify like what the exact record was for almost
• 1:22:11
  hours after the race. And everyone's like kind of
• 1:22:13
  sitting around like shit, what's like so and so actually ran.
• 1:22:17
  So that's the only thing that they need to level upon, I
• 1:22:20
  think. And maybe on some of these
• 1:22:24
  results, so, so the winner was Andreas Armgren in 2645, I think
• 1:22:32
  beating bettering his existing European record of 2653 that he
• 1:22:37
  ran at Valencia last year. Second was Kahari Bajiga from
• 1:22:43
  Ethiopia in 2651, and Victor Kipruto from Kenya was third in
• 1:22:47
  2717. And then, yeah, I don't know if
• 1:22:53
  we mentioned it, but that group of runners in that sort of 2720
• 1:22:56
  to 2740 range, they just came flooding through.
• 1:22:59
  And that included that some new, and that gave rise to some new
• 1:23:05
  national records. So Mohammed Abdullahi from
• 1:23:10
  Germany in 2722, Magnus Mahir from Norway 2722 as well.
• 1:23:17
  Sad or said Macau. So I know, I think his brother
• 1:23:20
  is the one that I remember from the Diamond League circuit from
• 1:23:23
  a few years ago, from Spain in 2725, Carlos Pinto from
• 1:23:31
  Portugal, 2737. Joe Wigfield, who Ryan you've
• 1:23:36
  interviewed on the POD is now the equal British record holder
• 1:23:40
  in 2738. And as we spoke about G'day from
• 1:23:45
  Ireland 2738 and is it Magnuson from Iceland 2740, These guys
• 1:23:51
  literally like we're all in a pack just sprinting down those
• 1:23:56
  through those arches together. It was quite cool to see.
• 1:23:58
  And yeah, I mean, it clearly is a destination race but for so
• 1:24:02
  many, and that's probably what helps.
• 1:24:05
  It's a bit self fulfilling now, isn't it?
• 1:24:07
  Everyone now knows to go there, everyone peaks for it now,
• 1:24:10
  everyone's racing everyone else there.
• 1:24:11
  So it just makes the race even better like. 100% I'm going to
• 1:24:16
  try and do it next year again. Yeah.
• 1:24:18
  And. Why wouldn't you write like,
• 1:24:21
  yeah, what a what a amazing event and this time of year,
• 1:24:26
  like is it, is there a better race to to pick?
• 1:24:31
  I don't think so, right? No, yeah, it's yeah, crazy.
• 1:24:34
  And you make a nice little holiday out of it.
• 1:24:36
  Yeah. That that Magnus guy, I've just
• 1:24:41
  googled him. So the guy you said set a
• 1:24:43
  Norwegian record. If you've watched any of Jacob
• 1:24:47
  Ingerbritsen's YouTube videos, he often has a friend in them
• 1:24:50
  and he's called Magnus and that's seemingly him like his
• 1:24:53
  training partner. There's just run 10K Norwegian
• 1:24:56
  record which is quite bizarre. From the videos I didn't gather
• 1:25:00
  that he was that good of an athlete.
• 1:25:04
  And Owen, in terms of that 32nd delay, no more of that next
• 1:25:08
  year, right? So now you've run under 30
• 1:25:11
  minutes, you'll be able to get into that that next year, which
• 1:25:15
  will be great. Yeah, sort of opens up a lot
• 1:25:17
  more doors, like to get into that elite entry, like even from
• 1:25:20
  origami, that half marathon, like one of the understanders to
• 1:25:23
  get today waves was to run a sub 30 minute 10K.
• 1:25:26
  And so, yeah, and hopefully I'll be in the Sobelite box from now
• 1:25:31
  on. And while we're on the topic of
• 1:25:35
  results, Alish Mccolgan, she ran very well, judged race 2 splits
• 1:25:43
  of 1504 to run 3008 and take 2 seconds off the European women's
• 1:25:49
  10K road record, which was set only earlier in the week at
• 1:25:53
  3010. So a very good performance.
• 1:25:57
  The winners, the top three in the women's race was Brended
• 1:26:02
  Checha from Kenya in 2925, Lakina and Emma Bell, Oh Gosh in
• 1:26:11
  2929 and Claire Dewar from Kenya in 2949.
• 1:26:17
  Four women under 30 minutes, which is, yeah, good going.
• 1:26:23
  Hailish was in eight in 3008. When I was watching the stream,
• 1:26:28
  I was trying to, well, couple of things.
• 1:26:32
  So I was watching the stream and I was watching it with my mate
• 1:26:35
  who's the reason why I'm over on holiday in Melbourne.
• 1:26:38
  He's came over from the UK and he's casual interest in running
• 1:26:43
  and he knows a few people like so he was happy for me to put
• 1:26:46
  the stream on. So watching obviously all eyes
• 1:26:50
  on like Omgren, European record watch and also whether Owen
• 1:26:54
  might appear at any point. So then Omgren finishes and then
• 1:26:58
  he's like, because he's from Wallasey as well where I am,
• 1:27:02
  he's like that, What the hell is that?
• 1:27:04
  Joe Wigfield like just dipping past a few Brits, like right
• 1:27:07
  towards the end. And I was like, what the fuck?
• 1:27:10
  Like had to whip my phone out dead quick, see, And he'd done a
• 1:27:12
  shakeout in Valencia yesterday. And I was like, hang on, Rory
• 1:27:17
  Leonard's British record is like 2738 and he's he's just come
• 1:27:22
  across the line at like 35 or 36.
• 1:27:24
  Like, Are you sure that's Joe Wickfield?
• 1:27:27
  Like replaying it over and over. And I was like, it literally is.
• 1:27:32
  But I can't quite comprehend the fact that he might have just run
• 1:27:35
  a British record. Like, what on earth is all that
• 1:27:38
  about? And then the commentator didn't
• 1:27:40
  mention it for ages. And then eventually he says
• 1:27:43
  like, oh, the man from the world is he's paid his own way over.
• 1:27:47
  He wasn't in the elite field. He was in the subelate field and
• 1:27:52
  as we know from like the conversation with him, he's just
• 1:27:54
  like kind of came from the clouds a little bit.
• 1:27:56
  Like he's always been on the periphery is maybe like a bit of
• 1:28:00
  an overstatement even. He's been trying to breakthrough
• 1:28:04
  just to like get there and then to to do something like that.
• 1:28:08
  It's just obscene. And he like he said, he he's on
• 1:28:11
  these kind of free kick deals on a one off basis where they'll
• 1:28:15
  send them a pair of shoes and a vest for a race.
• 1:28:18
  And he's been like kind of cycling through different brands
• 1:28:21
  doing that. So it's made-up for him to kind
• 1:28:25
  of get a result like that on the board because he's been fighting
• 1:28:28
  through the 8 hundreds and the 1500s over the past three or
• 1:28:32
  five years. He thought that that was his
• 1:28:34
  place and he never, I don't think got any results he felt
• 1:28:38
  was justified. So based on his half marathon at
• 1:28:41
  Manchester, beating Johnny Miller and then this 10K, I
• 1:28:45
  think he might have to stop getting bored in these longer
• 1:28:48
  distance races and actually commit to it because he could
• 1:28:52
  have some major championships coming his way.
• 1:28:54
  But. He's got the euro standard now
• 1:28:57
  as well, so Europeans come games, he's there.
• 1:29:03
  That's crazy. Just that I had a reflection on
• 1:29:08
  this because we've obviously seen say droves of East Africans
• 1:29:13
  run fast times and people hypothesize over their what
• 1:29:17
  their training methods are and what we could implement in order
• 1:29:21
  to, you know, improve. And then similarly with Japanese
• 1:29:27
  and the notorious high mileage and what they do and their
• 1:29:31
  university system in terms of how they've improved.
• 1:29:34
  But like to see a, you know, schools of European athletes
• 1:29:39
  running so well, it made me reflect a bit on, Hey, what,
• 1:29:45
  what's everyone doing now? Because 10 years ago, people
• 1:29:48
  weren't that far with or without super shoes.
• 1:29:51
  People, people weren't running that quickly and not that.
• 1:29:54
  And, and the depth isn't was it was not anything like what it is
• 1:30:00
  now. Do you guys have any initial
• 1:30:03
  thoughts on on training styles, training methods or what people
• 1:30:07
  are doing? That's that's changing the game
• 1:30:10
  seemingly in terms of European, umm, threshold and distance
• 1:30:15
  running. I think it's just like life,
• 1:30:20
  like people used to freaking ride horses, now they don't know
• 1:30:24
  we drive cars. Like God only knows what's gonna
• 1:30:26
  happen in the future. Like people just evolve and
• 1:30:28
  improve. And yeah, the shoes, the
• 1:30:31
  nutrition, training has all changed.
• 1:30:33
  So, umm, all these are changing. So you're obviously going to see
• 1:30:37
  massive time improvements, but do you think and people are
• 1:30:40
  getting better at evading the the Oprahs or the?
• 1:30:44
  But do you think these European athletes are like, to think that
• 1:30:47
  a lot of them are clean and they're just, they're running
• 1:30:49
  times that are putting them on a playing field with other
• 1:30:52
  countries? Like it's like a big cultural
• 1:30:54
  shift. And I had a reflection that is
• 1:30:57
  it, is it double threshold that's bridging the gap?
• 1:30:59
  Is it just dragging talent that was being lost to team sports
• 1:31:03
  that people are now curious about running?
• 1:31:05
  Like what is it that's making run it like people wanting to do
• 1:31:08
  running and do it so well? My first thought when you asked
• 1:31:13
  it was maybe it's the sharing of information.
• 1:31:16
  So like training principles are so well documented now.
• 1:31:21
  So maybe in the past where people wouldn't come on public
• 1:31:25
  forums and speak about the training methods and we wouldn't
• 1:31:28
  have access to the science and the data as to physically how we
• 1:31:32
  get fitter and how we implement that from a weekly basis.
• 1:31:36
  Whereas now it's kind of well understood and it's taken a few
• 1:31:41
  years to kind of catch on. And in the past, maybe only a
• 1:31:45
  couple of people may have had it figured out and knew exactly
• 1:31:48
  what they were doing and why. Whereas everyone else was kind
• 1:31:50
  of going through that trial and error of throwing shit at the
• 1:31:54
  wall and hoping it would stick. But now it's almost like, well,
• 1:31:57
  we know it. Or where we just need to wait.
• 1:32:01
  Yeah, it's a good shout. Like I remember 10 years ago I
• 1:32:04
  was on Strava, but it was like a like a cycling app.
• 1:32:08
  Like there's one or two people. I remember people on the Strava
• 1:32:11
  leaderboards and there's only a few of us on there.
• 1:32:16
  But otherwise, like prior to that, I'd maybe vlog, there's
• 1:32:19
  this really old vlog somewhere about my training program, but
• 1:32:22
  you would otherwise keep it maybe in a diary.
• 1:32:24
  And the way I'd glean information, Like you'd read
• 1:32:27
  like a Let's Run magazine or read a book about what running
• 1:32:30
  was like in the 80s and learn of these stories.
• 1:32:33
  But it was always a bit of Chinese whispers or stuff you'd
• 1:32:37
  glean from a novel, but not really.
• 1:32:39
  You wouldn't see training like it is now, wasn't calculated
• 1:32:43
  like what it is now. There was no.
• 1:32:45
  Yeah, this information wave we're in around training methods
• 1:32:49
  and what might work for you and your ability to apply it and get
• 1:32:53
  objective feedback. It's like, yeah, it's a
• 1:32:57
  different area, isn't it? It's cool because like, well,
• 1:33:01
  well let's stop. Like girl, people just keep on
• 1:33:04
  getting faster and faster and faster.
• 1:33:05
  Like how fast can the human body?
• 1:33:07
  Like how far can be pushed? Yeah, and that's sort of what
• 1:33:11
  Evan was talking about, wasn't he?
• 1:33:13
  When we were talking to Omio a bit, he sort of is bit that old
• 1:33:17
  school in a way where it's like we just train really hard.
• 1:33:21
  Whereas now he's like when you're measuring your lactate
• 1:33:24
  levels so regularly when you're taking all these products to aid
• 1:33:26
  recovery, when the shoes allow you to recover quicker but train
• 1:33:30
  super hard, you can You Can Dance a line that previously
• 1:33:33
  probably wasn't possible or is incredibly risky and not many
• 1:33:36
  people could make happen for a long period of time.
• 1:33:42
  Just eat your broccoli, kids. That's it.
• 1:33:44
  Broccoli sprouts, as I was told. Oh, can I give a quick little
• 1:33:49
  shout out? So on my on the flight home, I
• 1:33:54
  was just passed like immigration in Dublin or you show your
• 1:33:56
  passport to the people. And then this woman came up to
• 1:33:59
  me and said, oh, and so now listen to your podcast.
• 1:34:03
  So she I said Elizabeth Maher and she also ran Savage Race.
• 1:34:09
  And so, yeah, first time I've ever noticed from the podcast,
• 1:34:12
  which is it's pretty cool. Yeah, very cool.
• 1:34:20
  I'm not sure if you run a PB, but she was happy with our
• 1:34:22
  result. And I'll just check here now.
• 1:34:25
  Well. Thanks for listening.
• 1:34:27
  Yeah. It goes hand in hand with your
• 1:34:29
  newspaper articles becoming quite the big deal over there in
• 1:34:33
  Ireland. I tell you, I didn't think we'd
• 1:34:35
  get him on. Legit thought we might have lost
• 1:34:38
  him. But thanks for making the time
• 1:34:41
  on. She actually, she ran with front
• 1:34:42
  runner. No, Yeah, she cut Josh used to
• 1:34:46
  culture and she's home 2 1/2 years now.
• 1:34:50
  So yeah, she she she's on the West Coast for a while.
• 1:34:55
  Oh. Brilliant.
• 1:34:59
  I've been doing some reflecting actually on on the back of how
• 1:35:03
  happy I was for you to run your sub 30 Owen.
• 1:35:06
  I was like, well, now we've got a sub 30 minute 10K guy.
• 1:35:10
  Dean's obviously the marathon man with his 217.
• 1:35:14
  So maybe my return to run, I'm just going to move to
• 1:35:17
  Steeplechase because that's one thing you just won't get me at.
• 1:35:22
  I did see her. I did see an Instagram picture
• 1:35:24
  of you this week, Ryan. I can't remember where you were,
• 1:35:28
  but those legs are for days, aren't they?
• 1:35:31
  So you'd have us covered over the staple.
• 1:35:33
  I need a frozby flop just to get over the staple.
• 1:35:37
  Yeah, maybe I'll have to. I'll have to hit Evan back up
• 1:35:40
  and see what he thinks. My featuring in in the staple.
• 1:35:44
  I like it. Oh, just lastly though, before
• 1:35:48
  we fully move away from Valencia and the results, the the like
• 1:35:52
  the Brits that were coming over the line.
• 1:35:54
  I know Joe equalled the the record, but he's beat Alfie
• 1:35:58
  Mantor by two seconds. So it was almost his.
• 1:36:01
  Scott BC was a further one second back, so it was also
• 1:36:05
  almost his. And then Andy Butcher making his
• 1:36:09
  like proper comeback was 5 seconds back.
• 1:36:13
  He ran a Scottish record himself.
• 1:36:16
  So yeah, although he's equaled the record that based on that, I
• 1:36:20
  don't think it's going to remain 2738 for a while anyway.
• 1:36:25
  And he did say in his interview, Joe, like, oh, I was running
• 1:36:29
  with Scott and about two miles to go, Scott like proper made
• 1:36:33
  the move and I waited. And about 5 seconds later I
• 1:36:37
  decided to go and try and cover it.
• 1:36:40
  And he said that almost ruined the race.
• 1:36:42
  But thankfully I like kind of settled back in and let him go.
• 1:36:45
  So bit of an interesting insight really.
• 1:36:50
  Yeah, it looks the whole thing looked phenomenal.
• 1:36:53
  Very cool. Very cool race.
• 1:36:54
  A very cool weekend. You know, like fast half in the
• 1:36:59
  US world cross and yeah, ripping half in Valencia is very good,
• 1:37:05
  very spoilt. We were in running news.
• 1:37:09
  It probably wouldn't be a segment of running news without
• 1:37:11
  a doping scandal. So Kenyan athlete Albert Korea,
• 1:37:17
  who is a former winner of the New York City Marathon and
• 1:37:22
  notably for this recap, has also won the Houston Marathon amongst
• 1:37:27
  various others. Was has been provisionally
• 1:37:31
  suspended for the presence of a prohibited substance with the
• 1:37:36
  acronym Cera, Sarah, which I understand is a drug that's been
• 1:37:43
  manufactured more to help with I think kidney disease, but it has
• 1:37:48
  the effect of increasing red blood cell production.
• 1:37:52
  So like I think like a form of EPO or something EPO related.
• 1:37:56
  So yeah, Now the Kenyan marathoner that's been popped,
• 1:38:02
  by the looks of things otherwise.
• 1:38:05
  I didn't bite the dust. That's it.
• 1:38:07
  I've I've kept news pretty light only because I know we've this
• 1:38:12
  is otherwise a very big episode, but training weeks.
• 1:38:16
  Oh, and I know we've mentioned your training week.
• 1:38:19
  Ryan, did you have anything, anything to recap on, on your
• 1:38:22
  end or you you've just been living it up?
• 1:38:26
  No, maybe just a sentence. Obviously last week I was pretty
• 1:38:29
  apprehensive as to how I would keep my training going.
• 1:38:33
  But yeah, I've managed to take a long, I've done my run every
• 1:38:37
  other day up to 35 minutes uninterrupted today and that was
• 1:38:41
  lovely to be back running around the Tan and Albert Park.
• 1:38:45
  I put on Strava Melbourne nostalgia because, yeah, plenty
• 1:38:49
  of nostalgic feelings running around there and there was a
• 1:38:52
  nice cool fresh feeling to the air which Dean you would be very
• 1:38:58
  familiar with at the minute. So yeah, it was nice.
• 1:39:01
  Perfect running conditions in Melbourne today.
• 1:39:05
  And how's the foot pulling up from them feeling?
• 1:39:07
  Not too bad. Yeah, not too bad, a little bit
• 1:39:10
  sore, but I think that's I'm a mate or back me up.
• 1:39:15
  We've been doing about 35,000 steps each day so that might be
• 1:39:19
  playing a part as well. So I've walked them into about 5
• 1:39:23
  blisters. He's he's not very happy with
• 1:39:25
  me. Did you?
• 1:39:29
  You're not even like flip flops or whatever you call them, are
• 1:39:32
  you? Sliders.
• 1:39:34
  No, no, I've got my, what is it, the vomero Plus, which thanks to
• 1:39:41
  the tan, my white vomero plus and I'm looking full of dust
• 1:39:46
  after like one week wearing them.
• 1:39:50
  But getting the runs in which is a good another step in the right
• 1:39:53
  direction, right? But yeah, taken taken along
• 1:39:55
  nicely and there was even a gym in the hotel in Sydney, so I
• 1:39:58
  managed to get to gym sessions in this week, which is more than
• 1:40:02
  a more than a pretty normal week.
• 1:40:03
  So every cloud. Very good.
• 1:40:08
  I bought a pair of Romeo plus I caved.
• 1:40:12
  I got a few messages actually saying how good they are.
• 1:40:16
  You on board though and have you not wore them yet?
• 1:40:18
  I haven't worn them yet. I sort of I sort of actually
• 1:40:21
  went crazy. I bought 3 pairs.
• 1:40:23
  Hope my parents don't listen first, but I bought 3.
• 1:40:25
  I bought that I want. To get in Valencia.
• 1:40:30
  I bought the evil SLS and I bought the PM of velocity fours
• 1:40:36
  again and just for type of training.
• 1:40:38
  I do, I feel like them. So the evil SL and then PM are
• 1:40:42
  ones I just called because you can like pick up the pace and
• 1:40:45
  I'm a nice little bit. So I'm, yeah, I, I'm broke.
• 1:40:51
  And then you still trending upwards.
• 1:40:53
  Yeah, I ran 120 KS this week, so a little bit up from last week.
• 1:40:58
  No cycling. I was struck down with with man
• 1:41:01
  flu during the week. So it meant that I just I did
• 1:41:05
  run every day, not much on one of the days when I was feeling a
• 1:41:08
  bit rough, but it included a longer run.
• 1:41:12
  So 90 minutes on Sunday and a couple of like moderate
• 1:41:17
  treadmill workouts just at 16 or 17 K's an hour on the treadmill,
• 1:41:22
  just three by 8 minutes with two-minute jog in between.
• 1:41:26
  Yeah, it's the best. It's felt like, no, I'm not
• 1:41:28
  really in any discomfort or it's if it is, it's, I don't know,
• 1:41:33
  very minor if I if like, I'm just very conscious of the area.
• 1:41:37
  So yeah, things are, things are looking good.
• 1:41:41
  I'm getting I'm just careful not to irritate the joint.
• 1:41:46
  So I'm just as I'm increasing the pace, the treadmills being
• 1:41:49
  good because I can adjust, I can be careful in how much I'm
• 1:41:51
  increasing the the velocity by. But yeah, it feels, feels good.
• 1:41:56
  I don't think I'm too far away from doing some proper training,
• 1:41:59
  which is which is exciting. But I think at the minute just
• 1:42:03
  nudging up what I'm doing, it currently feels pretty good.
• 1:42:07
  So yeah, just keep the return return going, keep guilty.
• 1:42:15
  Yeah, almost at a point where we can, Well not me, but you can
• 1:42:19
  drop the return to run like injury style recaps and do full
• 1:42:25
  training week recaps. Yeah, it's getting to the point
• 1:42:28
  where I'm starting to reintroduce some quality doing a
• 1:42:31
  long run. It's sort of much more of a
• 1:42:32
  conventional week of training, which is nice.
• 1:42:34
  So it feels fun. I'm loving it.
• 1:42:37
  But yeah, like in the last three or four weeks in terms of it's
• 1:42:41
  been pretty, it's been a pretty dramatic shift in terms of how
• 1:42:45
  much more pleasant running's become, which has been nice.
• 1:42:49
  And the heart rates kind of the haven and stuff now, I think it
• 1:42:53
  looks pretty good. Look, when I see once I actually
• 1:42:56
  do mean put some quality in there, I'll be interested.
• 1:43:00
  But in terms of aerobic clay, what my heart rate's doing
• 1:43:03
  compared to what it used to do is not too different.
• 1:43:05
  So yeah, like it's not, I'm not incredibly unfit, which is nice
• 1:43:12
  so, but time will tell. I've not done any workouts in
• 1:43:17
  four months so I've got to give myself some time once I get back
• 1:43:20
  training to see where things fall, but I'll just be looking
• 1:43:24
  forward to training if I'm honest.
• 1:43:27
  So big lad's holiday, Valencia next year.
• 1:43:31
  Man, that would be nice, actually.
• 1:43:34
  Possible, definitely possible. We floated early houses
• 1:43:39
  listening so well, we'll listen so.
• 1:43:42
  Bring the kids. Bring the kids, Why not?
• 1:43:46
  We need the reunion at some point like.
• 1:43:50
  Would you go to Japan, Owen, or how far is Japan from Ireland or
• 1:43:55
  it's a bit of a pain in the. Ass when you got when you got to
• 1:43:58
  have Japan. I'm not sure how far Japan is,
• 1:44:03
  but I did like Japan before. Do a little holiday.
• 1:44:08
  I definitely could get one stop the three amigos would board a
• 1:44:12
  plane to I'd survive 8 hours with them. 21 up.
• 1:44:15
  Could be I might lose Austin out the back of it.
• 1:44:22
  Maybe if we hit Jacob and we we got a run to Japan X easy double
• 1:44:28
  in live in Japan, that would be justification.
• 1:44:34
  That'll get it done. That would be spicy.
• 1:44:38
  All right, YouTube Diaries, I thought first of all, just to
• 1:44:43
  comment, I'm putting aside, I guess for us Aussies that we're
• 1:44:46
  able to stream it without issue and download the replay.
• 1:44:50
  World Athletics posting a free live stream, I thought was very
• 1:44:52
  good. So I just and the the quality of
• 1:44:56
  the coverage I thought was very good, which segues into my
• 1:45:00
  YouTube Diaries. As I mentioned before, World
• 1:45:03
  Athletics have these 45 minute to 60 minute highlight packages
• 1:45:07
  of all the world cross countries over time.
• 1:45:08
  They don't go as far back to the 80s.
• 1:45:12
  And so I give an honourable mention, not to the World
• 1:45:15
  Athletics YouTube page, but to Wayne Middlestead is his name.
• 1:45:19
  I think he might be Auk guy, but he's uploaded onto his YouTube
• 1:45:23
  channel. This is when you start trawling
• 1:45:25
  through the the archives. But he's got a heap of really
• 1:45:28
  good races in there and a lot of them are these old like 80s
• 1:45:30
  British races. And it's just cool because you
• 1:45:33
  got the likes of, you know, like John Tracy and like a heap of
• 1:45:38
  these British lads that were just the top of them.
• 1:45:40
  Whoa, whoa, whoa. John Tracy, not British.
• 1:45:45
  No, no, no. And and British lads, no, no.
• 1:45:47
  John Tracy is Irish. Right.
• 1:45:49
  I, I, I mentioned John Tracy for you, but but no, yeah, but some
• 1:45:53
  of these early like races like I think the world cross was like
• 1:45:57
  in the world Cross highlights packages are from like the 1990s
• 1:46:01
  so. But if you want to get into
• 1:46:02
  earlier ones, jump on his YouTube channel and you should
• 1:46:04
  be able to find them. But it's just cool.
• 1:46:07
  It's, it's good watching like I know for for me, like 1992, like
• 1:46:12
  Mona, I think finished 6th or 5th in the world cross race.
• 1:46:18
  They were talking about Ailish Mccolgan's mum in that race, in
• 1:46:24
  the women's senior race in the 1992 one, which was she actually
• 1:46:28
  finished a bit further back, but she was talking about, they were
• 1:46:31
  talking about her as one to watch because she finished third
• 1:46:33
  the year before in like 91 and she was four months postpartum,
• 1:46:37
  which I assume was with Eilish. So she her mum is it Liz was
• 1:46:44
  very, very good. So like, and then in the like in
• 1:46:48
  the junior race, the winner of the women's junior race was
• 1:46:51
  Paula Radcliffe in 92. And then in the men's race, the
• 1:46:55
  runner up was his name. I think in the the commentator
• 1:47:00
  was just saying Selesi, but it was highly Gabra Selesi, but
• 1:47:03
  before he was a household name. So it's just cool to go back in
• 1:47:07
  time and watch some of these races and you realize just how
• 1:47:09
  good these guys like all the stars that you know, people that
• 1:47:13
  became stars. And I just think world cross
• 1:47:17
  country back in the day was everyone rocked up to it.
• 1:47:19
  It was a cross section of all the top track runners, Rd.
• 1:47:23
  runners, and they all came and duped it out and it was really
• 1:47:25
  cool. So that's my YouTube Diaries.
• 1:47:29
  Yeah, going back and looking at all them people with hindsight
• 1:47:33
  when they were nothing but well, they hadn't achieved anything.
• 1:47:36
  But knowing what they go on to achieve and looking at them in
• 1:47:40
  that environment is pretty cool. I'll have to make make sure I
• 1:47:44
  tag the guy who you're referring to who's they'll get all else
• 1:47:48
  and they can put it in like the caption or whatever.
• 1:47:52
  And then Double trouble guys, we end on a Double trouble.
• 1:47:55
  Did you you guys have one? Otherwise I can go.
• 1:48:00
  A senior one in the notes is quite good to be fair.
• 1:48:05
  Yeah. So my double trouble is just
• 1:48:07
  there's a lot of talk about good shoes and I just don't think
• 1:48:11
  people are talking about bad ones.
• 1:48:13
  And at the risk of putting more people and brands offside, I
• 1:48:16
  just thought I'd mentioned some that I really did choose that I
• 1:48:19
  don't like and I'm going to butcher the models and brands,
• 1:48:23
  but I'm hoping, oh, and you might be able to close the gap
• 1:48:25
  for me on these. But so I'll start with the
• 1:48:32
  Adidas Evo SL. I know a lot of people like it,
• 1:48:37
  but I just find it's really narrow.
• 1:48:39
  See what you think on, But it's really, I think it's narrow in
• 1:48:41
  the midfoot and I just feel like I collapse a little bit one way
• 1:48:44
  or the other with it. Like I just struggle.
• 1:48:46
  It's a bit like, like I feel like a bit like an ugly step
• 1:48:51
  sister when I put that shoe on. I just don't feel like I can hit
• 1:48:53
  it that well. So it's a no for you.
• 1:48:57
  So it's a no for me and no one's called it out and I've worn it
• 1:49:00
  so many times, but I still feel the same.
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  And I actually went for a run, bumped into a mate and he said
• 1:49:04
  the same thing. And I thought, you know what,
• 1:49:06
  I'm gonna it's enough for me. Two people not liking it is
• 1:49:09
  enough for me to call it out. And then I'll call out the
• 1:49:13
  Mizuno. Is it the Neo Vista?
• 1:49:15
  You know the really soft plush. Yeah, too flush.
• 1:49:20
  Like I just find, I reckon I'm going to my cards hurt after
• 1:49:23
  that shoe again. It feels too spongy and
• 1:49:26
  collapsible. I don't like, I love a soft
• 1:49:29
  shoe, but I love a soft stable shoe.
• 1:49:32
  So I feel like like the Nike Invincible, you know, the Nike
• 1:49:35
  Invincible goes all the way outside your foot and just feels
• 1:49:38
  really stable. It's the same with like a super
• 1:49:40
  blast or something. I don't feel like I'm having to
• 1:49:42
  stabilize anything. The shoe feels like it's doing
• 1:49:45
  it. Where is that Neo Vista?
• 1:49:47
  Not enough and then same with I got a pair of the is it sulcone?
• 1:49:53
  One of their super shoes and I can't remember.
• 1:49:58
  The the one that people love. People love at dolphin speed.
• 1:50:01
  Yeah, I think so. I've got, I've literally got
• 1:50:04
  them in there. I've done one workout in them.
• 1:50:06
  They feel too soft, like I feel like I'm about to ping my calf
• 1:50:09
  in them because I'm bottoming the shoe out.
• 1:50:11
  Don't like them? Because I think the first
• 1:50:15
  version of that was loved by someone, or the third.
• 1:50:18
  It's going to be 3. You've the 14, dear.
• 1:50:23
  I got it literally as a like a seating pair ahead of Ballarat.
• 1:50:27
  So this is what would have been in April.
• 1:50:29
  Is this when you've done the photo shoot?
• 1:50:31
  Yeah, we are model. That's me, but what show is
• 1:50:37
  that? Don't like it?
• 1:50:39
  I think it's the Endorphin pro. Endorphin Pro 4.
• 1:50:44
  Yeah, yeah, not a fan. So anyway, I just thought people
• 1:50:49
  should start talking about shoes that are just are no good
• 1:50:52
  because people people might want to know that as much as they
• 1:50:56
  want to know which ones are good.
• 1:50:58
  People are paid a bag to freaking say they're good even
• 1:51:00
  when they're shit. Yeah.
• 1:51:02
  Well, that's the problem in it. We need like like the official
• 1:51:05
  Marathon time integrity unit. You need the genuine independent
• 1:51:09
  board or panel who will review the issues, who don't have a
• 1:51:13
  frigging hidden agenda because everyone who's talking about
• 1:51:16
  shoes either represent the brand in one way or another.
• 1:51:21
  So obviously they're trying to encourage you to buy them or
• 1:51:24
  they have their own shoe shop, so they're encouraging you to
• 1:51:27
  buy them because they've fucking invested a lot of capital into a
• 1:51:32
  Nike Vapour Fly Free or whatever it may be.
• 1:51:34
  So obviously then their agenda is that they want to shift all
• 1:51:37
  these so you don't hear about the fact that they're bad until
• 1:51:42
  it's too late and you've already bought a pen, tried it and found
• 1:51:44
  it out yourself. Any shoes that you guys have
• 1:51:47
  tried that you're not that happy with?
• 1:51:52
  I wasn't the biggest fan of the uncladed monster hyper.
• 1:51:56
  It was I've been pretty lucky. Well, touch what I might might
• 1:52:00
  like that evil I sell now. But the shoes I've bought, Oh
• 1:52:04
  actually I'm the ASIC Nova Blast Five.
• 1:52:06
  I felt that was too soft and I don't yeah, I don't like a soft
• 1:52:12
  shoot that much. So on Clay Monster, Hyper and
• 1:52:16
  the normal Blast five were the two I didn't really like the
• 1:52:20
  best. Yeah, I think anything that's
• 1:52:23
  too soft I'm just not a huge fan of.
• 1:52:25
  Like it needs to be snappy, you know, I think.
• 1:52:30
  Yeah, snappy, but supportive. That sort of I'm I'm about.
• 1:52:36
  I remember on one of those shop runs I tried on a pair of the
• 1:52:41
  ASIC Sky Tokyo MY. I can't remember which iteration
• 1:52:46
  it was, but at the time I'd only ever been like racing in the
• 1:52:50
  Alpha Flight 3. And maybe I'm biased because I'm
• 1:52:53
  just so used to how that feels, but I remember just thinking in
• 1:52:59
  comparison to the Alpha Flight didn't feel like a super shoe.
• 1:53:03
  Like it should have just been a super trainer or something to
• 1:53:06
  step down. Like it just didn't feel like it
• 1:53:09
  gave me as anywhere near as much as the Alpha fly.
• 1:53:14
  And actually that's the shoes I wore at the weekend, the Puma
• 1:53:17
  fast or three. I really like diamonds and like
• 1:53:23
  I've only ever tried the ASIC meta speed plus.
• 1:53:27
  So I think was there like second iteration of that and the New
• 1:53:33
  Balance. Oh, that's not on that.
• 1:53:34
  Didn't really get on with the New Balance and super comfy for
• 1:53:38
  didn't race long on that one. Away for training now, but I
• 1:53:41
  wouldn't wear it for racing, even though it would suit
• 1:53:44
  majority. If it's got such a white toe
• 1:53:46
  box, it's like A and then it's got such a white service area.
• 1:53:49
  It would suit a lot of like runners and I just didn't really
• 1:53:53
  like it that much. I just didn't feel I had a pair
• 1:53:56
  of them. I just didn't feel like I've got
• 1:53:57
  as much return out of them, you know, like they feel good, like
• 1:54:01
  for a steady run, tempo run. But if you're talking about a
• 1:54:05
  true performance shoe, I didn't feel like I got enough, you
• 1:54:07
  know, enough back. Bang for your buck?
• 1:54:10
  Yeah, you know what, They're being honest.
• 1:54:14
  Like, I can probably recognize if in the past I've bought a
• 1:54:18
  shoe, and obviously I've paid my own cash to get the shoe, I will
• 1:54:22
  often for a while convince myself that I do like it, even
• 1:54:27
  though I may not like it. You know, because you like
• 1:54:30
  wanting to almost justify the investment that you've made.
• 1:54:33
  And then after a month or so you'll finally give up on it and
• 1:54:36
  be like, yeah, OK, it is a bit crap, isn't it?
• 1:54:40
  And they are so expensive. You want them to, you want to
• 1:54:43
  try and like like them as much as like if you're giving them
• 1:54:46
  Willy nilly, I think I'd be more ruthless.
• 1:54:50
  But like, you want to like them because you're spending money on
• 1:54:52
  them. We still find a way like they
• 1:54:54
  just drop down in your rotation and you just run trash
• 1:54:57
  kilometres in them to try and use them up.
• 1:54:59
  I think, well, that's that's what I sometimes do.
• 1:55:03
  It's funny, right? This is this ties in so because
• 1:55:06
  I used to live in Melbourne here, I had a load of stuff
• 1:55:09
  stored at one of my friends and I just picked it up often before
• 1:55:13
  and there's a pair of alpha fly twos in it.
• 1:55:16
  So I've just I've just whacked them on Facebook marketplace for
• 1:55:19
  $50. First first come, first get.
• 1:55:23
  So we'll see if I get rid of them by this time tomorrow
• 1:55:26
  because no one really liked the off flight 2 that they they were
• 1:55:29
  a bit slappy. I think the chogi did kept chogi
• 1:55:33
  like them. I think that's what this is your
• 1:55:35
  choice. Yeah, after everyone backed them
• 1:55:39
  out, he then started wearing them again.
• 1:55:41
  Yeah. I thought you for a second you
• 1:55:44
  were going to say you grabbed them out and then put them on
• 1:55:47
  for you for your run. I've allowed bingo.
• 1:55:52
  All. Right.
• 1:55:53
  I think that's us. Hey.
• 1:55:56
  That is a wrap guys. Yeah.
• 1:55:58
  Thanks, host. Very good job.
• 1:56:01
  Pleasure, pleasure. Thanks very much for making the
• 1:56:04
  time fellas. Great to chat and yeah, special
• 1:56:07
  episode on congratulations again.
• 1:56:09
  I think we're it's been a fun speak on behalf of Ryan and I
• 1:56:14
  and the listeners. It's been good.
• 1:56:15
  You know, you've been front and center in terms of giving some
• 1:56:18
  insight into your training and it's been really fun to to
• 1:56:21
  follow along and it was a nice this has been great reward for
• 1:56:24
  effort so well enough. Thank you very much guys.
• 1:56:27
  And Next up is going to be a place a little less sunny than
• 1:56:31
  Valencia, but a little closer to home and just as fast for a 5K
• 1:56:38
  in. So that's the next.
• 1:56:41
  That's the next one. Man, and if we weren't, if I
• 1:56:45
  wasn't excited by what you see on the stream in terms of people
• 1:56:47
  flooding through in Valencia, like I don't know if anyone's
• 1:56:50
  watched the YouTube stream of these of this race, but it's
• 1:56:52
  pretty cool, hey. Yeah, it's not again.
• 1:56:55
  So yeah, we'll give that a bash. Hopefully my ankle comes good
• 1:56:59
  going physio tonight, so just get that sorted and then pick it
• 1:57:03
  up again. Good luck.
• 1:57:05
  Yeah, Congratulations, Owen. Fantastic.
• 1:57:09
  Cheers boys, catch you next week.
• 1:57:11
  See you guys. Bye.
• 1:57:12
  Good luck.