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Furness Show 12-29: Hugh Millen and Mike Sando · The Ian Furness Show

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  Speaker 2: Hugh Milling is with us. It's a Monday huge. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know if you guys had this at at U
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  Speaker 2: dub or if you called it this or not. We
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  Speaker 2: had it a in Pullman. They still have it. I
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  Speaker 2: think they even had it at my son's school. I'm
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  Speaker 2: not mistaken. But did you guys have a thing called
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  Speaker 2: dead week the week before finals?
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  Speaker 5: I don't. I don't quite remember that.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I know it's been one or two years
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  Speaker 2: since you were in college.
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  Speaker 5: But at a.
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  Speaker 6: Minute, but unlike a lot of us, okay, that might
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  Speaker 6: be a wa thing that yeah, that might be yeah,
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  Speaker 6: just a way to squeeze.
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  Speaker 5: In another week of drinking.
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  Speaker 2: Well no, because yeah, well that that's funny because that
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  Speaker 2: was it was supposed to be the opposite, like dead
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  Speaker 2: week was no classes, just study for finals the next week.
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  Speaker 2: But you kind of hit the nail on the head.
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  Speaker 2: But I bring that up because it feels like dead
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  Speaker 2: week around here, like.
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  Speaker 6: I got a lot of good friends with Koog's. Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: I've I've learned a rap sheet on you guys.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I bring it up because it feels like
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  Speaker 2: dead week in Seattle. Wells probably across the country. I'm
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  Speaker 2: driving in today, like there's nobody on the road. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know. My wife, I think is working. But that's
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  Speaker 2: about it. I mean, it's one of those weeks. But
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  Speaker 2: in sports, it's anything but dead week, because you know,
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  Speaker 2: we've got college football playoffs coming up on Wednesday and Thursday,
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  Speaker 2: and then oh, by the way, Week eighteen of the
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  Speaker 2: NFL is on the horizon. We're coming off Week seventeen.
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  Speaker 2: So I mean, for football fans, it's not dead week.
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  Speaker 2: We're like in the heat of this is this is
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  Speaker 2: finals week. Man, this is what it's all about. This
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  Speaker 2: is this is a ton of fun, my friend, this
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  Speaker 2: is what this is. We've been waiting for this for
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  Speaker 2: a while. Well, I'm so grateful for the CFP. I
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  Speaker 2: think you know they I grew up as a kid,
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  Speaker 2: and they had it dead wrong.
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  Speaker 6: They just had a bunch of sports writers sit around
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  Speaker 6: and vote and as to who should be the national champion.
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  Speaker 6: And actually Washington in nineteen eighty four was the closest
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  Speaker 6: vote in the history of the AP eleven sixty to
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  Speaker 6: eleven forty as a percentage of number one is the closest.
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  Speaker 6: And and so then we got a big improvement with
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  Speaker 6: the BCS where you had two teams right one, two
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  Speaker 6: teams one game, and then from there you got a
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  Speaker 6: big improvement when the College Football Playoff was enacted and
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  Speaker 6: you had four teams, and then now you know, to
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  Speaker 6: have twelve. I think it's just getting better and better.
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  Speaker 6: And I don't really think of it as a twelve
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  Speaker 6: team playoff. I think of it as a ten team
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  Speaker 6: playoff with the group of five mandated to be included
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  Speaker 6: so as the power forward don't get their ass suit
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  Speaker 6: off in anti trust court. Hopefully they learned their lesson
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  Speaker 6: in past defeats, and so I think of it as
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  Speaker 6: ten teams. And you know that's a lot better than four.
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  Speaker 6: Way better, yeah, way better. I mean, look at look
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  Speaker 6: at this New Year's New Year's Eve and then three
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  Speaker 6: New Year's Day games.
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  Speaker 2: I mean I forgot there was a New Year's Eve game,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm so excited for the like I you know,
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  Speaker 2: and I good. The best thing is I didn't even
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  Speaker 2: say anything to my wife because I was thinking maybe
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  Speaker 2: we should go out to dinner or something. No, No,
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  Speaker 2: that ain't happen to park it Park.
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  Speaker 5: We are being out west. We can we can do both.
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  Speaker 6: We can watch the game and then we can still
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  Speaker 6: have time to you know, have our fun.
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  Speaker 5: So it's all good.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sure if that's gonna happen here. I think
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  Speaker 2: I'm just gonna park it. Like you said, I think
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with that original.
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  Speaker 5: Thought it too park.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. The uh hey, I want to just with our
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  Speaker 2: Seahawks sitting here at with thirteen wins. I go back
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  Speaker 2: and this is not unfamiliar territory for them, and I
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  Speaker 2: think people tend to forget because I in the headlines,
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  Speaker 2: I read this, and you know, I've been seeing this,
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  Speaker 2: just wrote this down. People have been talking about it.
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  Speaker 2: Thirteen and three franchise record for wins in a season,
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  Speaker 2: five and twenty thirteen as well. But when the two
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  Speaker 2: of the three years they've had the number one overall seed, Hugh,
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  Speaker 2: and you know this, two of the three years they've
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  Speaker 2: had that number one seed, and that would be thirteen,
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  Speaker 2: twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen, they had to win the final
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  Speaker 2: game of the year both those times. They they the
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  Speaker 2: only time they've been able to kind of sit back
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  Speaker 2: and relax was oh five, right, that was when Holmern
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  Speaker 2: kind of had his guys on the sideline Shawn Alexander
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  Speaker 2: to kind of already wrapped up the MVP. But twenty
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  Speaker 2: thirteen as great as those thirteen and fourteen teams, they
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  Speaker 2: had to beat wait for it, the Saint Louis Rams
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  Speaker 2: each of those two years to get the number one
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  Speaker 2: overall seed, so I mean two Super Bowl teams. They
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  Speaker 2: had to go right down to the wire. Twenty nineteen here,
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  Speaker 2: if you remember, to try to win the division, they
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  Speaker 2: had to beat the forty nine ers. They lost to
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  Speaker 2: the Cardinals in the week prior in Week sixteen, and
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  Speaker 2: then they lost to the forty nine ers when Jacob
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  Speaker 2: Hollister was stopped at the goal line on the very
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  Speaker 2: last play of the game. And I say goal line
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  Speaker 2: like literally six inches away, reviewing it and everything, and
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  Speaker 2: they lose that game. It had to go on the road.
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  Speaker 2: This is one of those games. The ramifications are amazing.
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  Speaker 2: I know players like this, but Hugh God, can you
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  Speaker 2: think about this for a second. We're talking about a
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  Speaker 2: team that has to win to get home field advantage
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  Speaker 2: in the top seed, with thirteen wins already in the bank,
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  Speaker 2: and if they lose, the most likely scenario is the
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  Speaker 2: sixth seed and going to Philadelphia or Chicago. Probably Philadelphia.
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  Speaker 2: How crazy is that? Yeah, that's gnarly.
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  Speaker 6: I think Philadelphia just by nature of their defense. You know,
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  Speaker 6: their offensive line hasn't played as well this year, but
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  Speaker 6: there that's a stack roster. I don't think a lot
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  Speaker 6: of their quarterback, but that is a stack roster, and
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  Speaker 6: that would be that'd be tough.
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  Speaker 5: You know, it's it's you.
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  Speaker 6: Know, probably bad weather and probably uh, you know, just
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  Speaker 6: a very difficult place to play. So let's let's let's
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  Speaker 6: hope that Seattle can somehow get some points going in
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  Speaker 6: the first half. You know, I'm a little Honestly, if
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  Speaker 6: I sound like I'm a little flustered, it's it's because
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  Speaker 6: there's something that's really weighing on my mind.
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  Speaker 2: Fire away, man, that's why you're here.
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  Speaker 6: I just I don't know what what kind of city
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  Speaker 6: are we?
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  Speaker 4: What?
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  Speaker 6: Like my vision of sports radio is just different, at
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  Speaker 6: least in Seattle. I've lived in four corners of the world,
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  Speaker 6: and I grew up in Seattle. I'm Seattle Public schools.
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  Speaker 6: I just like, like Sam Darnald, I don't get it.
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  Speaker 6: I can't get it out of my head. There is
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  Speaker 6: a very legitimate argument to say, hey, look, Sam Donald
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  Speaker 6: In his first nine starts here had one hundred and
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  Speaker 6: fourteen passer rating and eight of nine over eighty five.
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  Speaker 6: In his last seven, he's two of seven over eighty
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  Speaker 6: five and eighty four rating. His passer rating has dropped
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  Speaker 6: thirty points. Like there's some legitimate things to talk about,
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  Speaker 6: but to just barbecue this guy like he's just some hack.
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  Speaker 6: The guy is thirty one to nine in his last
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  Speaker 6: forty starts. Over the last four seasons, he's got the
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  Speaker 6: highest win percentage of any quarterback in the NFL, and
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  Speaker 6: of the top five, he's.
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  Speaker 5: The only one with the hundred passer rating.
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  Speaker 6: We're just we are tossing this guy around like an
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  Speaker 6: Orca tosses around a baby seal, Like it's just for play.
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  Speaker 2: Let me, let me, let me, let me stop you there,
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  Speaker 2: just for a second. Let me stop you there for something,
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  Speaker 2: because man, I'm gonna I'm gonna, I'm gonna tea you
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  Speaker 2: back up. Stand by, okay, stand by my good friend.
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  Speaker 2: So I will be I'm gonna be very truthful with you.
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  Speaker 2: I I have I'm doing the TV play by play
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  Speaker 2: for the Cracking tonight, So I've been a little bit
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  Speaker 2: immersed in preparation, learning how to say sasson as opposed
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  Speaker 2: to sessan uh and and how many pedersons the Vancouver
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  Speaker 2: Canucks have on their roster. There's three of them, by
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  Speaker 2: the way. Two of them are named E L I
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  Speaker 2: A S. One is Elias and one is Elias. You
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  Speaker 2: say tomato, I say tomato. So, Hugh, you can understand now.
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  Speaker 2: I watched the Sea Hot game last night yesterday with
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  Speaker 2: someone you you spoke to last week, big old offensive lineman.
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  Speaker 2: We watched that together. I took notes. I have questions.
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  Speaker 2: We're gonna get to that in a second, but if
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  Speaker 2: I'm being completely truthful as you are, I haven't heard
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  Speaker 2: sports radio today and tell I did cross talk with Mark. Now.
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  Speaker 2: Mark brought up I kind of feel like I'm going
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  Speaker 2: there because he's like, well, what do you think? And
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  Speaker 2: I could tell there's a Sam Donald thing going on there.
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  Speaker 2: I have one question about Donald, which I'll get to
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  Speaker 2: in a second. But I do believe that you're right
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  Speaker 2: in this sense. Not even having listened to and I
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  Speaker 2: apologize to Chuck and Buck and Mark because I didn't
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  Speaker 2: just didn't have a chance to listen to them today.
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  Speaker 2: But there is a weird thing with Sam Donald in
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  Speaker 2: this town, and I think it goes this way. The
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  Speaker 2: national narrative on Sam Donald is Jets bust, reclamation project
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  Speaker 2: in Carolina, goes to San Francisco back up, kind of
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  Speaker 2: gets himself right. Great year in Minnesota, the two last
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  Speaker 2: two games of the year, not Sam Donald, necessarily Sam
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  Speaker 2: Donald the red zone, but the team struggled. Offensive line
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  Speaker 2: was abysmal. If I'm not mistaken the minsial vikings. Correct
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  Speaker 2: me if I'm wrong. You went out and signed to
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  Speaker 2: guy Seattle was looking at as well for an exorbitant
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  Speaker 2: price to play guard. Didn't help him much, by the way,
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  Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy who ever played this year. But you know
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  Speaker 2: there's this narrative nationally and for whatever reason, correct me
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  Speaker 2: if I'm wrong. I think this is where you're going
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  Speaker 2: that a lot of people in this town have picked
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  Speaker 2: them up. They have picked up that narrative, and it's
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  Speaker 2: almost as if they're winning despite Sam Donald, who is
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  Speaker 2: a pro bowler last I checked, is a pro bowler
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  Speaker 2: this year, and I know a lot of people are
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  Speaker 2: pro bowlers, but at least he was on the initial roster,
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  Speaker 2: not the Rus Wilson Pro Bowls. You know how that works,
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  Speaker 2: you right, Like when nine guys tap out. Then Russ
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  Speaker 2: is a pro bowler. No, he's a pro bowler. Sam
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  Speaker 2: Donald made some plays I don't know. Last I checked
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  Speaker 2: in that Rams game at the end when it mattered.
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  Speaker 2: I like Sam Donald, But I do believe that there's
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  Speaker 2: a narrative nationally that people in this town have picked
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  Speaker 2: up on and are running with for whatever reason. I
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  Speaker 2: don't get it either, but I'll let you continue. Well, okay,
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  Speaker 2: so am I Am I on the right path? Am
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  Speaker 2: I on the right path?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, no, I'm tracking with you so here, But let's
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  Speaker 6: just put it in perspective. And look, I'm not against
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  Speaker 6: you know, critical sports radio. I just think that there's
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  Speaker 6: there are some people who deserve to get freakin' whacked,
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  Speaker 6: like Jamal Adams, like like the person he was like,
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  Speaker 6: you know, people who don't give effort whatever, right, and
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  Speaker 6: even if a quarterback is a nice guy, but he's
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  Speaker 6: just awful. Okay, lock him around if you want. But
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  Speaker 6: if I had told you, let's just take away the
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  Speaker 6: name Sam Darnold. So he said, Okay, the Seahawks are
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  Speaker 6: going to move on from Geno Smith because obviously that
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  Speaker 6: happened first, and then there was a window there where
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  Speaker 6: Seattle didn't know whose quarterback was. If I had told
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  Speaker 6: you that a couple of days, here's your Christmas present,
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  Speaker 6: Seahawk fans. You're going to be going into the last
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  Speaker 6: game of the year with number one seed in your
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  Speaker 6: grasp right for the NFC that the quarterback is going
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  Speaker 6: to be voted. He's second place. For the Pro Bowl,
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  Speaker 6: Matthew Stafford was first, and and you're the seatt quarterback
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  Speaker 6: is second. And by the way, a note on that
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  Speaker 6: that the Pro Bowl voting is is three equal parts fans, players, coaches.
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  Speaker 6: Sam Darnold did not make the top ten for the fans,
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  Speaker 6: so for him to be number two, Like, think about it.
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  Speaker 6: If you had a class, let's go back to Wazuo.
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  Speaker 6: If you had a class, I would I would have
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  Speaker 6: said it would be stats.
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  Speaker 5: But since it's Wazoo, let's say it's uh.
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  Speaker 2: My wife took statues business matter I did dropped? Okay,
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  Speaker 2: I would drop the class, but that's fine. Yeah under
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  Speaker 2: underwatersk week. Okay, and you got three three test three
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  Speaker 2: tests and they all are one third. Yes, okay, and
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  Speaker 2: you get a you get a C in one, but
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  Speaker 2: you end up getting a A in the class. What
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  Speaker 2: did that mean that you did in the other two class, Like,
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  Speaker 2: I don't need to walk us through that. The point is,
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  Speaker 2: if he was out of the top ten for the fans,
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  Speaker 2: how high must have he been in the eyes of
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  Speaker 2: the players and the coaches for him to be the
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  Speaker 2: number two quarterback in the conference?
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  Speaker 5: Right?
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  Speaker 6: Okay, So but let's get back to the spring, and
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  Speaker 6: so we're not gonna tell you what his name is,
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  Speaker 6: but he's gonna You're gonna be number one in the
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  Speaker 6: in the record, You're gonna set a franchise record for
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  Speaker 6: points before the last week, So you can't say, well,
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  Speaker 6: that was in seventeen games.
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  Speaker 5: Let me say it again.
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  Speaker 6: You're gonna set a franchise record for points and while
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  Speaker 6: being number two in the NFL in points, and your
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  Speaker 6: quarterback is gonna be number one in the NFL in
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  Speaker 6: passing yards per dropback, number one in the NFL in
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  Speaker 6: passing yards per dropback. Like, wouldn't we just say, okay,
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  Speaker 6: I've seen enough, I've heard enough. Where do I sign
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  Speaker 6: You'd be you'd lunge for a pen to sign up
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  Speaker 6: for that.
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  Speaker 5: And yet so now.
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  Speaker 6: We're gonna take okay, look, I obviously we always see interceptions.
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  Speaker 5: Was lower.
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  Speaker 6: We're lower, right, But what's the tape. There's a lot
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  Speaker 6: of stuff like people say, well, you gotta he fumbled again. Well,
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  Speaker 6: guess what, Abe Lucas got freaking trucked again. When that
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  Speaker 6: guy loses, he loses bad.
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  Speaker 5: Keifer. You know, let's second play the game. Ab Lucas
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  Speaker 5: is on his ass.
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  Speaker 2: Yep tossed the side.
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  Speaker 5: Keifer watched it. He knows what I'm talking about.
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  Speaker 6: And so Sam Donald's trying to throw a seam route
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  Speaker 6: to his left and he's he's throwing it to Bobo.
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  Speaker 6: He's throwing a steam route to his left in Bobo
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  Speaker 6: where on an analog clock that if twelve o'clock is
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  Speaker 6: straight ahead his eyes, he's gonna be throwing to ten
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  Speaker 6: thirty if the right tackle gets beat when he goes
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  Speaker 6: to throw, and and he's thrown in two point seven seconds,
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  Speaker 6: and and and because Abe Lucas got just freaking trucked
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  Speaker 6: and immediately the guy gets a hand on it, Like
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  Speaker 6: what do you want Sam Donald to do in that situation? Okay,
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  Speaker 6: and so but let's to the interceptions. So we always
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  Speaker 6: he had fewer interceptions. Mike McDonald wishes he had fewer interceptions.
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  Speaker 6: I'm going to just give you some cold facts that
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  Speaker 6: if you take the interceptions and you run a correlation,
• 16:15
  Speaker 6: the correlation is point zero eight one for interceptions this year.
• 16:21
  Speaker 6: Let me say that, whereas the correlation for winning four
• 16:27
  Speaker 6: yards per dropback is five eighty four. So I'm using
• 16:30
  Speaker 6: terms like batting average or slugging, right, not slugging because
• 16:33
  Speaker 6: that could be over thousands.
• 16:34
  Speaker 5: Like batting average.
• 16:34
  Speaker 6: Okay, So in a stat that has a five to
• 16:38
  Speaker 6: eighty four correlation to winning, Sam Darnold is number one
• 16:43
  Speaker 6: in the NFL. In a stat that has a zero
• 16:50
  Speaker 6: eighty one, imagine a batter with a zero eighty one
• 16:53
  Speaker 6: batting average. That's how insignificant interceptions are in correlating to winning.
• 17:00
  Speaker 6: And by the way, you would you would say that
• 17:03
  Speaker 6: it would hey Millen, if there's a stat guy probably saying, well,
• 17:06
  Speaker 6: don't you mean negative zero eighty one? No, I mean
• 17:09
  Speaker 6: zero eighty one. That means guess what now, even though
• 17:12
  Speaker 6: it's basically right around zero, when interception goes up, the
• 17:16
  Speaker 6: correlation is wins go up. It's not a negative correlation
• 17:20
  Speaker 6: this year, and this is not the first time there's
• 17:23
  Speaker 6: there not been you would expects as interceptions go up
• 17:27
  Speaker 6: wins go down. That's called negative correlation, which would be
• 17:30
  Speaker 6: reflected in a negative number. No, it's a zero eighty one.
• 17:34
  Speaker 6: What does that? What's the summary? A zero zero eighty
• 17:38
  Speaker 6: one basically means it has next to no correlation to winning,
• 17:42
  Speaker 6: and to the degree it does, it's slightly positive, meaning
• 17:46
  Speaker 6: slightly more interceptions equates to more wins. So are we
• 17:51
  Speaker 6: gonna we are we gonna hand ring about a quarterback
• 17:54
  Speaker 6: who is voted number two in the Pro Bowl?
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: Who we have a we we we have.
• 18:01
  Speaker 6: A franchise record for wins. We have the chance to
• 18:04
  Speaker 6: be the number one seed. We're in year one with
• 18:06
  Speaker 6: the quarterback and an offensive coordinator. And by the way,
• 18:08
  Speaker 6: I don't think sale's going to win the Super Bowl.
• 18:11
  Speaker 6: I don't like like I would be very I'd be
• 18:13
  Speaker 6: very surprised. Probably we're doing a Monday show where we're
• 18:16
  Speaker 6: talking about how the offense let the let him down.
• 18:19
  Speaker 6: And you might be the quarterback. But when as a
• 18:21
  Speaker 6: quarterback a year one in a program and with a
• 18:25
  Speaker 6: year one offensive coordinator, every won the Super Bowl. To
• 18:27
  Speaker 6: my knowledge, it's never happened. Because Matt Stafford came into
• 18:31
  Speaker 6: the Rams and McVeigh had been there coordinating everybody else
• 18:36
  Speaker 6: to and their nuance and their detail, and then they
• 18:40
  Speaker 6: inserted Matthew Stafford and they win a super Bowl.
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: Okay, so so.
• 18:44
  Speaker 6: We're gonna we're we're gonna take a Sam Darnold is
• 18:48
  Speaker 6: number one in the NFL in a in a a
• 18:52
  Speaker 6: stat that is about six times more correlated to winning
• 18:56
  Speaker 6: than interceptions.
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: I know that's sacrilege.
• 18:58
  Speaker 6: How the hell is a guy come on the radar,
• 19:00
  Speaker 6: let alone a former quarterback and say, well, interceptions don't matter.
• 19:03
  Speaker 6: I'm not saying interceptions don't matter. I'm saying that if
• 19:07
  Speaker 6: we're just gonna say, let's focus focus in on the
• 19:11
  Speaker 6: interceptions and ignore all the other things that have happened,
• 19:15
  Speaker 6: Like worst case scenario, Okay, you lose the playoffs.
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: Guess what, you know what?
• 19:19
  Speaker 6: You know what I'm I'm thinking. I'm thinking you're bringing
• 19:22
  Speaker 6: back Sam Donald twenty eight years old for year two
• 19:26
  Speaker 6: in the system with a great young defense and it's
• 19:30
  Speaker 6: all gas, no breaks, Like this is on the incline.
• 19:33
  Speaker 6: That's worst case scenario. Why are we talking like like, oh, well,
• 19:38
  Speaker 6: let's just throw out Sam Donald and find another quarterback.
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 19:43
  Speaker 6: I just let to me, it's a very It's it's
• 19:48
  Speaker 6: a very apt conversation to bring up, Hey, he's not
• 19:53
  Speaker 6: in the last six seven weeks what he was at
• 19:54
  Speaker 6: the beginning of the year. What has to change? That's fair,
• 19:58
  Speaker 6: But to just pummel this guy like a like a
• 20:01
  Speaker 6: like he's a pinata at a freaking kid's birthday party,
• 20:04
  Speaker 6: I have no man, I just well, I don't get it.
• 20:07
  Speaker 6: I don't think of Seattle that way. Yeah, I think
• 20:10
  Speaker 6: of other cities I've lived in that way. I don't
• 20:12
  Speaker 6: think of Seattle that way.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: It does have a you know what it has It
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: has a Philadelphia feel to it. Yeah, it does. No,
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: it has a Philadelphia feel Where I tell this story.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: I think I've told you this you when we were
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: back in twenty nineteen that we talked about when Hollister
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: got stopped and the Seahawks went on the road. First
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: game was in Philadelphia and we were there for my
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: buddy Shamick and I were there doing previews, live shots
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: all week, so we listened to a lot of w
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: IP radio. Well, the Eagles had the once or had
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: like the two seed or whatever the hell was, right,
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: it was still saying six teams in the Elite and
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: we listened and they basically were crushing their team. Now
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: they didn't lose, you, I'll beat them, but they were
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: crushing their team the entire week. And I was like,
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: damn man, like you got playoffs are hard, but we've
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: we've gone through that here before. You Like, I'll say
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: this with there's been people on our air. There's been
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: fans in this town that complain about, well, the Seahawks
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: gets to the playoffs a lot under Pete Carroll. But
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: they just say, haven't you know, they haven't got to
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: the NFC championship in forever and all this stuff. Winning's
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: hard in football. Getting to the playoffs is hard. Ask
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: the baseball team in town, Ask the hockey team in town,
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: Ask anybody in town. Getting to playoffs are hard, very hard.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: And you know, to get thirteen wins is remarkable under
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: a second year head coach who had never been a
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: head coach before. It's been a hell of a year
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: so far. What we'd be disappointed if they don't get
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: into like at least the divisional round. Let's talk about
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: that next week when we see what happens against a
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: really good San Francisco team in Levi. I say, and
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: to have a home field advantage or not because and
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: I want to get to some of that in a second.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: How about this, let's take a quick break come back.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: I do want to ask you about one stat with Darnold,
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: and that's passes batted down the line of scrimmage. Sure,
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: I do want to ask you about that because you know,
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: we talk and nobody knows the mechanics of quarterbacking more
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: than my guy, Hugh Millen. And I want to about
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: that because there's obviously some scouting going on, there's obviously
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: some things happening, teams are watching, and you just said,
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: what can he do better? Because he has to be better.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: A lot of guys have to be better offensive line,
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: everything else when you get to the postseason. But we'll
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: talk about that and then look ahead of the forty
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: nine Ers game Seahawks thirteen wins. Hughme millon Hardcore Football
• 22:20
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• 22:22
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• 22:47
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• 23:05
  Speaker 2: All, Right, here we go, our core football continues, Humil
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: and is with us. You referenced Keith for earlier he
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: wanted we brought this up watching the game yesterday, and
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: then I and then I saw this. Mike Sander, who's
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: going to join us coming up hew at two o'clock
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: his weekly visit with us, brought this up in his
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: pick six calm today. Sam Donald and Trevor Lawrence have
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: the two highest rate of batted passes this season. Both
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: had passes two batted down on Sunday, Lawrence nineteen sixteen
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: for Donald. Their percentages are three point five and three
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: point five eight. Caleb Williams the only player other that's
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: above three percent as well. So I bring that up
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: for this reason. To me, that's a weird one. But
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: it was noticeable yesterday for some reason, and we were
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: watching it kind of got noticed in and then I thought, damn,
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: Trevor Lawrence is all of six to five if not more,
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: And you know Sam Dard six four at least. He's
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: a big guy, and usually you know there's an arm
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: angle our team seeing something there. What do you see
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: the mechanics of a ball getting batted down? And how
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: significant is that staff.
• 24:13
  Speaker 6: Well, it's something to be a little bit concerned about.
• 24:16
  Speaker 6: I mean, at quarterbacks, you can't you can't, you know,
• 24:21
  Speaker 6: change your mechanics. I think Darnold used to have a
• 24:24
  Speaker 6: loopy release back at USC. I remember, to my eye,
• 24:27
  Speaker 6: I hated it because he just brought it down like
• 24:30
  Speaker 6: Byron Leffich if you remember him, Yeah, you know, big
• 24:33
  Speaker 6: down to the thighpad like loop, and and he is
• 24:36
  Speaker 6: significantly altered as mechanics in that regard. You know, I
• 24:39
  Speaker 6: would say, is he's average by NFL standards. I don't
• 24:42
  Speaker 6: think it's you know, it's no Marine or Aaron Rodgers,
• 24:45
  Speaker 6: but it's it's not anything that you'd say, Okay, this
• 24:49
  Speaker 6: is a problem that our quarterback has this release. What
• 24:52
  Speaker 6: was happening yesterday? First of all, when you go boot
• 24:55
  Speaker 6: left and which which for some reason Kubiak seems to
• 25:00
  Speaker 6: do more than he does boot right. So you got
• 25:03
  Speaker 6: a right in a quarterback running to his left when
• 25:06
  Speaker 6: he has.
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: To square his shoulders to throw there.
• 25:10
  Speaker 6: Now a defender can really get a beat on on
• 25:13
  Speaker 6: what's the timing of that throw because he's running to
• 25:17
  Speaker 6: his left having to throw across his body. So we
• 25:21
  Speaker 6: had some batdowns with that, and then the other part
• 25:23
  Speaker 6: of it is, and this is hardcore, what happens. If
• 25:28
  Speaker 6: you have a four man rush, you will typically have
• 25:32
  Speaker 6: the center's gonna go one side to the other and
• 25:35
  Speaker 6: the running back is going to go the other if
• 25:37
  Speaker 6: it's unless it's a five out protection, in which case
• 25:40
  Speaker 6: center's going to go one way and you can handle
• 25:42
  Speaker 6: three to one side and two to the other, but
• 25:44
  Speaker 6: not more than that on either side. If what will
• 25:48
  Speaker 6: typically happen, and what was happening yesterday is when the
• 25:51
  Speaker 6: center would go to the right. Let's say Sundell goes
• 25:54
  Speaker 6: to the right and Gray's abel is going to his left.
• 26:01
  Speaker 6: Assuming is one on one on the left side, the
• 26:04
  Speaker 6: guy who's getting double team. What they're basically saying is, look,
• 26:07
  Speaker 6: if you get the double team coming to you, whether
• 26:10
  Speaker 6: it's a three technique or the shade whatever, the defensive
• 26:12
  Speaker 6: tackle there that is working against both the center and
• 26:15
  Speaker 6: the guard. Instead of trying to push the pocket against
• 26:19
  Speaker 6: two Seahawk offensive linemen, he's just laying back and playing
• 26:25
  Speaker 6: almost like a robber lerk type of thing. Just looked
• 26:28
  Speaker 6: literally looking that's always looking to do is.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: Bat the pass down, gotcha?
• 26:32
  Speaker 6: And so when Darnold was trying to do those checkdowns,
• 26:37
  Speaker 6: which which were over the middle, then that that nose
• 26:42
  Speaker 6: tackle or you know, defensive tackle. He can stand there
• 26:45
  Speaker 6: near the line of scrimmage and bat those balls down.
• 26:48
  Speaker 6: So one of the adjustments that they can make is
• 26:50
  Speaker 6: to have what's called kind of a check alley where
• 26:54
  Speaker 6: it's out over the sea gap just outside the tackle.
• 26:57
  Speaker 6: Now that you have to consider how does that play
• 27:00
  Speaker 6: within the within the the route concept. And you got
• 27:05
  Speaker 6: to be influencing guys like you may want to have
• 27:07
  Speaker 6: a guy right over the middle so that it influences
• 27:10
  Speaker 6: what's called the two hooked zone defenders. Those are the
• 27:13
  Speaker 6: shallow middlemost defenders in the zone, the hook zones.
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: If you hook up.
• 27:19
  Speaker 6: Right in between them, right over the ball, then those
• 27:22
  Speaker 6: guys won't tend to widen as much. And then that
• 27:24
  Speaker 6: opens up some windows, you know, for some some in
• 27:27
  Speaker 6: routes in behind it.
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: So so it's not.
• 27:30
  Speaker 6: Like you can just really nelly willy nilly, just say hey,
• 27:34
  Speaker 6: uh charboneah sharbonne instead of going sitting down over the center,
• 27:39
  Speaker 6: you know, sit down over of the sea gap outside
• 27:42
  Speaker 6: the tackle. You can't you can't have that, uh, that
• 27:46
  Speaker 6: discrepancy all the time, But there are some concepts where
• 27:49
  Speaker 6: you can, like you're let's say you're running a flood
• 27:51
  Speaker 6: concept out by the sideline deep intermediate, uh, and then
• 27:56
  Speaker 6: to the flat. Well, you can you can have your
• 27:59
  Speaker 6: you could you good alter where your checkdown is so
• 28:01
  Speaker 6: that that that lurking defensive lineman doesn't bat the ball down,
• 28:06
  Speaker 6: but that that that happened on a few occasions yesterday.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: That makes sense if you especially the defensive lineman. Did
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna talk defense in the last segment coming up
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: in a minute before I get to that one hundred
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: and sixty thirty yards rushing one hundred and ten by Sharboney,
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: although fifty four for Sharbony came down two chunk plays,
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: not to take those away, but did they rediscover something
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: in the run game.
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: I don't think they rediscovered that.
• 28:29
  Speaker 6: They got some stretch plays they kept. You know a
• 28:33
  Speaker 6: lot of times this year they've they've kind of hit
• 28:36
  Speaker 6: their wall on the stretch play and then they maybe
• 28:39
  Speaker 6: don't get back to it. But they got they got
• 28:42
  Speaker 6: some outside zone and they sealed it up at the
• 28:44
  Speaker 6: end and on the edge and and.
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: Got some lanes. You know.
• 28:49
  Speaker 6: I mean, look, I think Carolina. You look at their defense.
• 28:54
  Speaker 6: It was remarkable to me in looking at the stats
• 28:57
  Speaker 6: prior to the game, how many Carolina was either in
• 29:02
  Speaker 6: the low to mid twenties in their ranking. Yep, both
• 29:06
  Speaker 6: on offense and on defense. Uh, you know, they kind
• 29:09
  Speaker 6: of patched together this five hundred season the last nine
• 29:12
  Speaker 6: games win, lose, win, lose, win, lose, win, lose, and
• 29:15
  Speaker 6: you know their net differential. You know, statistically you would
• 29:18
  Speaker 6: say this is not even a five hundred team. And
• 29:21
  Speaker 6: so I don't think they had a bevy of playmakers,
• 29:25
  Speaker 6: I thought. And we'll get into you know, maybe we'll
• 29:27
  Speaker 6: we'll discuss some of the things that they were doing
• 29:29
  Speaker 6: on defense, because because they were squatting their corners and
• 29:32
  Speaker 6: there were some things that I think Clint Kubiak didn't
• 29:34
  Speaker 6: get to, maybe the interception. So there's still some other
• 29:37
  Speaker 6: things we can get to.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: Well, let's about interception real quick. You want need on that.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: Let's do that. Let's do that fire away.
• 29:41
  Speaker 6: Yeah, so you're trying to run a slant and go
• 29:44
  Speaker 6: and and let me let me see if I can
• 29:46
  Speaker 6: quickly get to this. The two corners Mike Jackson and J. C.
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: Horn.
• 29:50
  Speaker 6: Mike Jackson, the former Seahawk. They were squatting. They were
• 29:53
  Speaker 6: sitting on on short and intermediate routes from playing off coverage.
• 29:59
  Speaker 6: This is a key thing. Off coverage means at the
• 30:01
  Speaker 6: snap of the ball, the corner's not up at the
• 30:03
  Speaker 6: line of scrimmage in a position to bump and run
• 30:05
  Speaker 6: order to roll the coverage like his own there, they're
• 30:08
  Speaker 6: an off coverage, so they need to that and if
• 30:10
  Speaker 6: there's no safety over the top, they need to backpedal
• 30:14
  Speaker 6: and honor the go route. Yep, because they've got the
• 30:17
  Speaker 6: widest receiver closest to the sideline, what's called the number
• 30:20
  Speaker 6: one receiver. They've got number one all the way to
• 30:23
  Speaker 6: the back of the end zone. If they run a
• 30:24
  Speaker 6: go route, he got to turn it to hips and
• 30:26
  Speaker 6: cover them. And they were squatting too much. And I
• 30:30
  Speaker 6: think that was a big mistake that Clint Kobiaki did
• 30:34
  Speaker 6: not call any go routes. He did not, And they
• 30:37
  Speaker 6: were getting a lot of what's called a rolled quarter
• 30:39
  Speaker 6: quarter half, which is roll cover two to one side
• 30:42
  Speaker 6: and then and then they're playing a four deep concept
• 30:45
  Speaker 6: to the opposite which allows free access and so Seattle
• 30:49
  Speaker 6: could have run double post. Is it beats that coverage
• 30:53
  Speaker 6: go routes can can beat the squatting routes, but or
• 30:57
  Speaker 6: run a double move. So now they're in the red
• 30:59
  Speaker 6: zone and they they said, well, let's do the double
• 31:01
  Speaker 6: move because these guys been squatty and it's a slant
• 31:04
  Speaker 6: and go often called the slug for got term yep,
• 31:08
  Speaker 6: right out of the balls on the right half slug
• 31:10
  Speaker 6: go to the left. The problem was on that play
• 31:16
  Speaker 6: the Panthers they played press bail so that they were
• 31:21
  Speaker 6: up jammed on jays N. But before the snap turn
• 31:25
  Speaker 6: knees in outside leverage, running away from the line of
• 31:31
  Speaker 6: scrimmage right before the snap of the ball, and so
• 31:34
  Speaker 6: the corners in this case, Mike Jackson, his momentum is
• 31:37
  Speaker 6: taking him away from the line of scrimmage and he's
• 31:41
  Speaker 6: in an outside leverage looking in at the quarterback, and
• 31:44
  Speaker 6: so he was so far off that when Jackson Smith
• 31:47
  Speaker 6: did his slant, now Jackson is moving away and so
• 31:53
  Speaker 6: you never get on top of him. And what jays
• 31:55
  Speaker 6: N immediately did is he he threw kind of his
• 31:59
  Speaker 6: shoulder open as if to say, hey, throw me on
• 32:02
  Speaker 6: back shoulder, just stab it right on my back hip
• 32:04
  Speaker 6: right right, as opposed to me trying to get over
• 32:07
  Speaker 6: the top. I'm never gonna beat him up. Usain Bolt
• 32:10
  Speaker 6: couldn't beat him. I'm not gonna beat him over the top.
• 32:14
  Speaker 6: So throw it back shoulder. That's what JSN clearly was thinking, unequivocally,
• 32:18
  Speaker 6: no doubt in my mind. And yet the protection was
• 32:23
  Speaker 6: a big problem on that play because you had Canine
• 32:27
  Speaker 6: on the right side. Here let's be Sam Donald in
• 32:29
  Speaker 6: the shotgun. We got Canine to our right, but we
• 32:32
  Speaker 6: got an unblocked blitzer coming off the left edge, which
• 32:35
  Speaker 6: is a open edge. What does the open edge mean.
• 32:37
  Speaker 6: There's no tight end there, it's just it's just the
• 32:40
  Speaker 6: offensive tackle. It was just Josh Jones and replacement for
• 32:44
  Speaker 6: Charles Cross. And then that's a straight edge. So so
• 32:47
  Speaker 6: now Canine has to go right in front of our
• 32:50
  Speaker 6: vision from right to left to go block him, and
• 32:53
  Speaker 6: that collision took place right in Donald's lap. There was
• 32:56
  Speaker 6: two tight ends on the right side for Seattle that
• 33:01
  Speaker 6: would have widened the edge if if they had done that.
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: To the left right. But that's that that.
• 33:07
  Speaker 6: I'm I'm making that point only to say the wider
• 33:10
  Speaker 6: the edge, the easier it is on a running back.
• 33:12
  Speaker 6: If he has to go coast to coast. So he
• 33:14
  Speaker 6: starts from the right, he has to block to the
• 33:16
  Speaker 6: left and Donald gets it's right up in literally in
• 33:19
  Speaker 6: his face. Donald gets his arm hit. Donald can't even
• 33:22
  Speaker 6: follow through, so he's got to make all these decisions
• 33:25
  Speaker 6: on a really really really muddy pocket that it's clapped.
• 33:31
  Speaker 6: You would have liked he threw that ball on two
• 33:33
  Speaker 6: point five seconds. The NFL had it at exactly two
• 33:36
  Speaker 6: point five, so he would have liked to have been
• 33:38
  Speaker 6: able to, you know, extend that to two point eight
• 33:42
  Speaker 6: two point nine on a double move and uh and
• 33:45
  Speaker 6: and yet he didn't have the time. So he ends
• 33:47
  Speaker 6: up throwing it deep down, expecting JSN to go over
• 33:51
  Speaker 6: the top. Well, JSN was never going to get there,
• 33:54
  Speaker 6: but everything was so accelerated because of the lousy But
• 33:58
  Speaker 6: it was a lousy protection scheme and it was lousy execution,
• 34:02
  Speaker 6: and it directly.
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: Impacted the play.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: Let's come back talk a little bit defense going against
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: brock Perty in the forty nine ers, they held to
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: just seventeen points in a week one. Did the Seahawks
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: defense all, they'll be a two miss field goals in there.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: But we'll talk about that hardcore football Humilon coming up next.
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• 34:46
  Speaker 2: Hardcore Football humiling, I'm gonna take a detour, Hugh. Yeah,
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna take a d tour. Uh. Just a couple texts.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: We'll get to Taxa two thirty. Let's see do preach
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: Hugh Millin. Uh, let's see, thank you, Hugh, Let's see
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to be judicious Hugh to the rescue, et cetera.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: Regarding Sam Darnold. Uh, those are some of the text
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: that just came in at four nine, four five one something.
• 35:18
  Speaker 6: And we invite to scent. It's it's all good, you know,
• 35:21
  Speaker 6: not everything has to be.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: Let me give you this one. Let me give you
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: this one four two five. I was I wasn't happy
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: the Seahawks signed Darnald. But there's a but is there
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: a conversation between he's total garbage and he walks on water?
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: If the Seahawks get bounced in the first round, the
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: likely reason will be Donald's turnovers. The consistency of both fumbles,
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: interception has gotten damn concerning. It will likely be what
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: holds this team back. I'll let you react to that.
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean that's fair. I just think that there
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: there's a way to be critical.
• 35:47
  Speaker 6: Of the local quarterback and still have it, you know,
• 35:51
  Speaker 6: keep it on, you know, on a on a somewhat
• 35:54
  Speaker 6: civil basis, right, because the guys, even for those who
• 35:58
  Speaker 6: might be in it in a anti Sam Donald camp
• 36:01
  Speaker 6: or skeptical or whatever, you have to concede. You know,
• 36:05
  Speaker 6: the points that I've made in this show about what
• 36:08
  Speaker 6: he's accomplished, right, those are facts, those aren't That's not
• 36:11
  Speaker 6: subjectivity like thirty nine and one like his the degree
• 36:15
  Speaker 6: to which he produces a triple digit passer rating games.
• 36:20
  Speaker 5: I think I've got update.
• 36:21
  Speaker 6: I think it's sixty three percent now in the last
• 36:23
  Speaker 6: four years, Sam Donald or Pat Mahomes is under forty percent,
• 36:27
  Speaker 6: like thirty eight percent. Again, I'm a week or two behind,
• 36:31
  Speaker 6: but and then you know he's got the highest win
• 36:34
  Speaker 6: percentage over those four years. So I'm just imagining. I mean,
• 36:37
  Speaker 6: God forbid. You know his wife Katie, who played soccer
• 36:41
  Speaker 6: at USC not Southern California, at at South Carolina. I
• 36:45
  Speaker 6: don't know the woman or anything. I just kind of
• 36:47
  Speaker 6: looked at it. It's not an inconceivable that she could
• 36:50
  Speaker 6: be a sports radio fan and just drive around listen.
• 36:53
  Speaker 6: I know that there's athletes and coaches wives that are
• 36:55
  Speaker 6: you know, they want to know everything that's said about
• 36:57
  Speaker 6: their husbands. So it's not inconceivable. And I'm being bears, uh,
• 37:01
  Speaker 6: you know, for for what what I had heard before,
• 37:04
  Speaker 6: Like hang on, like like is that really how we
• 37:07
  Speaker 6: want to represent?
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: So anyway, I don't want to be on a soapball
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: me before you go before yeah, let me throw to
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: say before you go by the way. Just he was
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: playing earlier by the Panthers twenty fifth in total offense,
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: twenty seventh in scoring offense. Before yesterday they held a
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: quarterback to under one hundred yards passing in Bryce Young.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: How different is the Seahawk defense today than it was
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: Week one? And I'll just throw two. I'll just do
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: a couple of guys that you nick Emon worrif game
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: one got hurt, played just four defensive snaps in that game.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: Drake Thomas played just fifteen defensive snaps. Tya Cotta, who's
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: become a player that they count on? And you sometimes
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: played just six snaps defensively, So I mean, if nothing else,
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: you've got you know, kind of a linebacker, a safety,
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: and a nickel whatever you want to call. Three guys there.
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: You didn't have new Osu Game one as well, he
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: was still on the injured list. So so, Hugh, how
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: different is this team compared to Week one? It's different? Yeah,
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: a lot? And why Yeah?
• 38:00
  Speaker 6: Well, first of all, I think you're about as healthy
• 38:04
  Speaker 6: as you could uh reasonably ask for. I mean, Kobe Bryant,
• 38:08
  Speaker 6: I wish he was healthy. But had you told me
• 38:10
  Speaker 6: you're playing for the division and you gave me the
• 38:13
  Speaker 6: list of guys that are gonna play, they're healthy and
• 38:16
  Speaker 6: it includes everybody not named Kobe Bryant, I would have said,
• 38:20
  Speaker 6: this is a National Football League. This is absolutely a win.
• 38:22
  Speaker 6: This is a triumphant win to be this healthy. So
• 38:25
  Speaker 6: Nick am and worry a year's worth of experience and
• 38:29
  Speaker 6: and his versatility. Uh, Drake Thomas is Drake Thomas and Tayokatta.
• 38:35
  Speaker 6: Uh you know, there's some similarities that I'm not just
• 38:37
  Speaker 6: talking about the obvious, Like right there, they they have
• 38:42
  Speaker 6: shown themselves to you know, they're they're somewhat limited athletically,
• 38:47
  Speaker 6: but they fire their gun, their their recognition, they just
• 38:53
  Speaker 6: they just go they see it and they fire their
• 38:56
  Speaker 6: gun and they get to the spot they need to
• 38:58
  Speaker 6: get get to.
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 39:00
  Speaker 5: Are they a little bit of a liability.
• 39:02
  Speaker 6: In space, sure, and I think that Kyle Shannon is
• 39:05
  Speaker 6: going to try and exploit that. But but they are
• 39:08
  Speaker 6: vastly more experienced and and then you know, I mean
• 39:13
  Speaker 6: d law you know, he looks lean and and uh going.
• 39:17
  Speaker 6: I mean they're I think they're primed, they're they're they're
• 39:20
  Speaker 6: prime to play as good a defense as they can.
• 39:23
  Speaker 6: And I don't think they're going to have a dominant performance.
• 39:26
  Speaker 6: I think Kyle Shannan and the way Brock Purty is
• 39:30
  Speaker 6: is playing, they're gonna get theirs. I just you know,
• 39:34
  Speaker 6: hopefully don't get there's the way the Rams got Theirs,
• 39:37
  Speaker 6: you know, five hundred and eighty yards type of thing.
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think the matchups just it's exciting as hell,
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: to be honest with you, Mike McDonald and his defense
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: and his defensive acumen and what Kyle Shannon is able
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: to do, you know, I mean they it's like the
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: strength of both teams is you know, the opposite of
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: what they're gonna see Sampsus goes offensegainst Seattle's defense, and
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: then we'll see maybe the other side of the ball
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: and ismined determining what happens in this game. But you're
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: right on good, right, yeah, good, And it's good. It's
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: like it's like a practice when you go ones versus
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: one is what it is.
• 40:11
  Speaker 6: Right when San Francisco has the ball and and they're
• 40:16
  Speaker 6: against Seattle. I mean, that's just as good as football gets.
• 40:20
  Speaker 6: And you know, Witherspoon, you I could just keep on
• 40:22
  Speaker 6: going on the list of Witherspoon has. You know, now
• 40:26
  Speaker 6: he's a Pro Bowl corner. Before you know, he was
• 40:28
  Speaker 6: a nickel guy that bounced around between the nickel and
• 40:31
  Speaker 6: the corner. And I think Mike McDonald did exactly what
• 40:34
  Speaker 6: I think he should have done. He just looked at
• 40:36
  Speaker 6: his frame and he said, look, I can't have this
• 40:38
  Speaker 6: guy trying to play hardball in the slot. I'm getting
• 40:41
  Speaker 6: beat up at one hundred and eighty one pounds. You know,
• 40:44
  Speaker 6: give me emon worry. You know, I'm going by combine
• 40:47
  Speaker 6: numbers exactly thirty nine pounds heavier. You got thirty nine
• 40:50
  Speaker 6: pounds heavier in the in the nickel position. And then
• 40:55
  Speaker 6: now you put you put Witherspoon out there a corner
• 41:01
  Speaker 6: and he still has is that feisty tackler You know,
• 41:04
  Speaker 6: a great tackler can close ground like I mean like
• 41:07
  Speaker 6: like he's got the turbo button on him and so
• 41:09
  Speaker 6: so you get all that feistiness, but is at the
• 41:11
  Speaker 6: at the corner position athleticism.
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 41:14
  Speaker 6: I think a lot of teams don't. They will just
• 41:16
  Speaker 6: not want to throw at him, and so expect Josh
• 41:19
  Speaker 6: Jones is going to have a busy day Saturday night.
• 41:21
  Speaker 6: Just remember I said that number twenty nine is going
• 41:24
  Speaker 6: to be targeted, and so what does Seattle do to
• 41:27
  Speaker 6: to maybe you know, roll coverage to help him. You know,
• 41:29
  Speaker 6: there's a lot, there's a lot going into it. But
• 41:31
  Speaker 6: but you're talking about too heavyweight, a major horsepower h
• 41:39
  Speaker 6: intellects in the football world. Between McDonald and Shanahan going
• 41:43
  Speaker 6: at it, it's going to be you know, grab your popcorn.
• 41:46
  Speaker 6: Every play is a is a showdown, every single play.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: Finals week it's next week. You this is it for
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: dead week. We're done. Finals week is next week and
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: we'll all right, we'll hit it hard on Monday next week.
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: After out that cake man. We still got a few
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: days left. See all you Husky's always want to come
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: over for the fun over in Pullmand. That's all I know.
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: I love you both.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: Hey, you know what, You're always there for the party.
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: I know that.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: I'll talk to you next Monday, my friend. Thanks all right, Hammer,
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: Now there you go. That is Hugh Millen. We'll come back,
• 42:17
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• 42:19
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• 42:40
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• 42:43
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• 42:46
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• 43:07
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• 43:09
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• 43:12
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• 43:14
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• 43:38
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• 43:51
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• 43:54
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• 43:56
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• 44:28
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• 44:31
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• 44:36
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• 44:39
  Speaker 2: ten ninety tonight, that's at five o'clock. And of course
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: the Rams taking on the Falcons of Atlanta, and for
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: Seahawk fans, you're rooting hard for Atlanta if for no
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: other reason, you'd love to see Seattle have a chance
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: to get the five seed. If the Rams went out
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: and see Hottle loses on Sunday, then Seattle would end
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: up with the sixth seed, probably going to Philadelphia, which
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: a lot less fun than going to say Carolina again
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: or even Tampa Bay. Mike Quick thought on that game tonight,
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: any chance that we can hope for in Atlanta win
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: over Sean McVay and the Rams.
• 45:12
  Speaker 7: I mean, I think, you know, it's possible. It's unlikely.
• 45:16
  Speaker 7: I think the Rams are certainly better, but they they yeah,
• 45:18
  Speaker 7: they haven't played since the you know, the collapse, right,
• 45:22
  Speaker 7: so I think that we'll see, you know, in one
• 45:25
  Speaker 7: of these games where yes, there's something on the line,
• 45:27
  Speaker 7: but they were really destined to be the number one
• 45:29
  Speaker 7: seed in the NFC, and now, like I get the
• 45:32
  Speaker 7: seating things important, I just don't think that that's uh,
• 45:35
  Speaker 7: we're not getting up for that, you know, as a team,
• 45:37
  Speaker 7: probably even if in the front office you're thinking, now
• 45:39
  Speaker 7: we trurely like to have this seat over that one.
• 45:41
  Speaker 7: I will just see a little bit of what they're
• 45:43
  Speaker 7: made of, you know, and just kind of how strong
• 45:46
  Speaker 7: they announced back in this game.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say, I would say in that game,
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: by the way, is in Atlanta tonight, so we'll see
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: if I mean, the Falcons could put points up, e
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: John Robinson can put points. What do you think, just
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: a random thought, what do you think the future for
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: kirk Cousins.
• 45:59
  Speaker 7: Is, let's watch these last couple of games and see
• 46:04
  Speaker 7: how viable he is. I don't know that there's not
• 46:09
  Speaker 7: I don't know that anyone's going to pay him to
• 46:11
  Speaker 7: be the starter. Yeah, I think he's probably past that.
• 46:13
  Speaker 7: I think there's a number of guys that could be
• 46:14
  Speaker 7: available this year where you'd ideally have him compete with somebody.
• 46:18
  Speaker 7: And that's where I think kirk Cousins has to decide
• 46:20
  Speaker 7: probably if that's what he wants to do. He's got
• 46:22
  Speaker 7: all the money in the world. It probably matters to
• 46:24
  Speaker 7: him where he's located, with his family and all of that.
• 46:27
  Speaker 7: He may not just take anything.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: Mike, you wrote about it today. It brings us to
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: the next quarterback. The crossroads is that the Ravens may
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: be getting to as well with one Lamar Jackson. It's
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: been a hell of a year back and forth and
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: what's going on with Lamar? I mean, is he's healthy,
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: he's not healthy? Back and forth, back and forth, and
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: it's like he'll practice one day, take the next day off,
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: and it seems like he was questionable and has been
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: questionable every week, and yet here are the Baltimore Ravens
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: in a win and you're in scenario with Lamar but
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: and maybe even poised and as a wide open AFC
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: to take a run without having to worry about guys
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: by the name of Mahomes and Burrow this year.
• 47:07
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I think it's a great opportunity in the
• 47:09
  Speaker 7: in the AFC to make a push and they're you know,
• 47:13
  Speaker 7: a loss away from other types of questions. I think
• 47:16
  Speaker 7: John Harbaugh's fate is also you know, in question for
• 47:20
  Speaker 7: the Ravens, and just he's been there. I think whatever
• 47:23
  Speaker 7: eighteen years, I mean I would be I think something
• 47:26
  Speaker 7: changes certainly if they don't make the playoffs. I'm not
• 47:29
  Speaker 7: sure what it is, but it's at least going to
• 47:31
  Speaker 7: be staff changes. And we'll see. With Horrbaugh, I think
• 47:34
  Speaker 7: the Lamar Jackson situation is you know, a little diceier
• 47:39
  Speaker 7: for reasons I discussed in the column number one. He
• 47:41
  Speaker 7: doesn't have an agent. It's kind of hard to get
• 47:43
  Speaker 7: a feel for somebody when when you're going directly to them,
• 47:46
  Speaker 7: to have those honest conversations can be difficult. But you know,
• 47:50
  Speaker 7: he's he's kind of getting to a point in his
• 47:52
  Speaker 7: career where you do start to wonder about the legs
• 47:56
  Speaker 7: and ability to run on what that means for the future.
• 47:59
  Speaker 7: So I don't know that they would necessarily trade him,
• 48:03
  Speaker 7: but I would sure think about it if I were them,
• 48:07
  Speaker 7: sooner than later to really get the big return. They're
• 48:10
  Speaker 7: a great draft team, and then you gotta have some
• 48:13
  Speaker 7: kind of a fallback, you know, whether that's you know,
• 48:17
  Speaker 7: a stopgap guy. Do they think of someone like Malik
• 48:19
  Speaker 7: Willis looks like they have a future? Is there someone
• 48:21
  Speaker 7: they like in the draft? All those sorts of things.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: So I'm gonna come back to the leak in a second,
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: cause I think it's a fascinating thing with him with
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: Lamar And I didn't realize this until I read you
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: call him So he's he's Bobby Wagner of quarterbacks, doesn't
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: have it, doesn't have the agent. Like when you talk
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: to two executives around the league, what are their thoughts.
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: I mean, Bobby came out I'm not using an agent,
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: and you know it was kind of widely, I would
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: almost say, celebrated by a lot of media in talent
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: and stuff. I mean, Bobby's an intelligent guy. We all
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: like talking to him and he was here and stuff.
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: But I always thought that would be a hard thing
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: at that level with the intricacies and like all this stuff.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: And then the other part of it is the relationships
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: of the front office. Who you're playing for, what are
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: the channel and what do executives you talk to think about.
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: Whether it be Lamar or Bobby or I'm sure there's
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: other guys that don't have agents.
• 49:07
  Speaker 7: More important for a quarterback. The quarterback is in a
• 49:11
  Speaker 7: different category than the linebacker or somebody else. You can
• 49:15
  Speaker 7: change linebackers pretty easily, you know, you can find him.
• 49:18
  Speaker 8: That are one.
• 49:18
  Speaker 7: And maybe in the case of Bobby Wagner, if there
• 49:21
  Speaker 7: were an agent representing him that had a long standing
• 49:23
  Speaker 7: relationship with the team, maybe they could have smoothed that out.
• 49:25
  Speaker 7: And maybe he doesn't play for the Rams, right, maybe
• 49:27
  Speaker 7: he finishes with the Seaux in a different way.
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: But you never know.
• 49:31
  Speaker 7: I think in a case of somebody like a quarterback,
• 49:33
  Speaker 7: we've seen it work a couple of different ways. Russell
• 49:36
  Speaker 7: Wilson had an agent and that didn't help because you
• 49:40
  Speaker 7: know that relationship wasn't good. Having an agent doesn't mean
• 49:43
  Speaker 7: that it's going to be good. But I think having it,
• 49:46
  Speaker 7: you have a much better chance to have a smoother
• 49:49
  Speaker 7: relationship with a good agent than you do with a
• 49:51
  Speaker 7: player who has a hard time seeing. It's hard to
• 49:57
  Speaker 7: it's hard to separate your own personal feelings from something.
• 50:00
  Speaker 7: That's why anybody hires an attorney or hires a representative.
• 50:03
  Speaker 7: Right in anything you do, there's a reason why you
• 50:07
  Speaker 7: go through a realtor or something, or it doesn't mean
• 50:09
  Speaker 7: you couldn't do it yourself. But in the case of
• 50:11
  Speaker 7: a quarterback, they're so important to the team, the locker room,
• 50:15
  Speaker 7: their leadership, all the such things they do. It's nice
• 50:18
  Speaker 7: to be able to go to somebody who represents them
• 50:20
  Speaker 7: and say, hey, here's.
• 50:21
  Speaker 5: What we like.
• 50:22
  Speaker 7: What do you think about this? We wish he would
• 50:24
  Speaker 7: do this, And then the agent can say, well, actually
• 50:27
  Speaker 7: you should know these things, and then the team goes okay.
• 50:29
  Speaker 7: But if you brought it up directly to the player,
• 50:31
  Speaker 7: maybe a feelings would be hurt or maybe that's just
• 50:33
  Speaker 7: hard to do. So I think Lamar Jackson's relationship with
• 50:36
  Speaker 7: the Ravens seems to have kind of gone in and
• 50:38
  Speaker 7: out of phase a little bit, like it's good, it's bad,
• 50:41
  Speaker 7: or it's indifferent. Their distance grows between you always kind
• 50:44
  Speaker 7: of feel that, and I feel like they're sort of
• 50:46
  Speaker 7: at a point now where it doesn't feel as good,
• 50:49
  Speaker 7: and so that could be helped. If you had somebody,
• 50:52
  Speaker 7: you know, who had had twenty quarterbacks over the years
• 50:54
  Speaker 7: and knows how it all works, they could cancel him.
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: The sample size is small this year, but is there
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: any chance but Leake Willis could be the next Sam
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: Darnold or you know, in the sense of a guy
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: was thought to be maybe a bust and isn't going
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: to do anything, and what he's done in Green Bay
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: has been really impressive. And Jordan Love's absence and maybe maybe,
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: just maybe there's a spot out there for Himerlik Willis
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: to take that next step and rejuvenate his career, because
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: he's certainly looked good on Saturday. And really, as you mentioned,
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: six touchdowns, zero interceptions, seventy nine percent completion percentage in
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: the games he's played in this year is pretty damn impressive.
• 51:31
  Speaker 7: It's really really good. It really, he's looked really good.
• 51:34
  Speaker 7: So I do think that that guys can develop and grow,
• 51:37
  Speaker 7: and it looks like he has. I wouldn't have bet
• 51:39
  Speaker 7: on him when he was a Tennessee based on what
• 51:40
  Speaker 7: we saw. Some of that was style of play too.
• 51:43
  Speaker 7: You know, you've got to be able to pass the ball.
• 51:44
  Speaker 7: But it looks to me like he's done his homework
• 51:47
  Speaker 7: and does have a chance to do it. So, you know,
• 51:50
  Speaker 7: what does that mean to you? How big of a
• 51:53
  Speaker 7: deal do you give him? You know, I think it's
• 51:58
  Speaker 7: you know, market that's not going to have a probably
• 52:00
  Speaker 7: a lot of great choices. He could be a young
• 52:03
  Speaker 7: guy that somebody identifies that it could be a starting quarterback.
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: Especially because the draft's not great with quarterbacks either. I mean,
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: this was right, Remember this was supposed to be this
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: great quarterback class and like everyone kind of fell by
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: the wayside, maybe not even coming out now and things
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: like that. It just it's I think you'd probably want
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: to take a chance with the guy with the NFL
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: film as opposed to I mean, if it's Dante or
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: whoever it might be coming out. I mean, club Nick
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: had an awful season and kind of go on and on.
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: Isn't a two man race for the MVP? Drake make
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: Matthew Stafford.
• 52:32
  Speaker 7: It feels that way to me, you know, I mean,
• 52:34
  Speaker 7: May couldn't have made a stronger statement Sunday. Stafford is
• 52:37
  Speaker 7: still the betting favorite. That surprises me a little bit,
• 52:40
  Speaker 7: but he gets to play tonight, So you know, I
• 52:43
  Speaker 7: think it's gonna be a race to the end and
• 52:45
  Speaker 7: that we'll see what happens in a week in the
• 52:47
  Speaker 7: week eighteen, who plays how much? What's at stake? Called
• 52:49
  Speaker 7: those sorts of things. But yeah, I think it's those
• 52:52
  Speaker 7: two guys.
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: I was. I was asked this morning on a show
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: I do up in Vancouver about DK Metcalf and you
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: wrote about him today, the I mean, and he is
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: just getting annihilated by folks across the country. I'm sure
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: Pittsburgh have been checked in with my buddy Tim Ben's
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: as well. But you know, with what happened with with
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: them losing to Cleveland, the fact that they're throwing too
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: receivers at frankly, are our guys at best to be
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: a five or a four? I mean Marcus Valdez Scantling
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: remember Seahawk fans for him, member MBS in training camp
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: and other guys like that. Is this another good case
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: of John Schneider knowing when to cut bait and what
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: does that mean for his future in Pittsburgh?
• 53:35
  Speaker 7: Like it completely was the right thing to do. And
• 53:37
  Speaker 7: I think some of that was just with Mike McDonald
• 53:41
  Speaker 7: coming into and wanting to have his own setup. You
• 53:44
  Speaker 7: had some guys that were prominence, where it's Gino Smith,
• 53:46
  Speaker 7: whether it's h DK Metcalf that you know, we're fine
• 53:49
  Speaker 7: to have on the team, but we're going in a
• 53:51
  Speaker 7: different direction. And and those guys had different loyalties. I mean,
• 53:54
  Speaker 7: we can all go back to the draft and Pete
• 53:56
  Speaker 7: Carroll with his shirt off, with DK Metcalf or you know, say,
• 53:59
  Speaker 7: you know, saving and really inspiring g know Smith, those
• 54:02
  Speaker 7: were special things that don't exist anymore. And the rules
• 54:04
  Speaker 7: have changed, and they wanted, you know, they wanted to
• 54:08
  Speaker 7: get younger at quarterback. And I think with DK, they
• 54:12
  Speaker 7: knew how good Jackson Smith and Jigoble was. I mean,
• 54:14
  Speaker 7: I thought Jackson Smith and Jigobot was going to start
• 54:16
  Speaker 7: as a rookie. He didn't go on the field as
• 54:18
  Speaker 7: much for other reasons.
• 54:19
  Speaker 5: But he's a really good player.
• 54:20
  Speaker 7: So I think that they played it exactly right, knowing
• 54:25
  Speaker 7: what they had and knowing what they kind of wanted
• 54:26
  Speaker 7: to be as a team. Team first, the mentality of
• 54:30
  Speaker 7: this you're bringing in, you know, probably a little bit
• 54:33
  Speaker 7: more of a run based offense obviously too. So look,
• 54:37
  Speaker 7: they're not trying to manage DK Metcalf every week and
• 54:40
  Speaker 7: what are his numbers and all of that, and I
• 54:43
  Speaker 7: think that's a benefit for the Seahawks.
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm surprised. I'm so a little surprised by DK
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: even going there. I mean, it just feels like, I
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: don't know, maybe I'm wrong. Is there a more button
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: down organization than Pittsburgh and for him to go and
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: have that incident happen, maybe, But.
• 55:02
  Speaker 7: I mean I think the Steelers have changed too. If
• 55:03
  Speaker 7: you look in the last ten years, Dan Rooney's died.
• 55:06
  Speaker 5: He was their owner.
• 55:07
  Speaker 7: Yeah, there's other Rooneys, but they're not Dan Rooney, who
• 55:09
  Speaker 7: was an ambassador and all of that. And then I think,
• 55:12
  Speaker 7: you know, Kevin Colbert was their GM from about two
• 55:15
  Speaker 7: thousand until a few years ago. He's great and studying force.
• 55:18
  Speaker 7: He's not there anymore. So, I and they before that,
• 55:22
  Speaker 7: you know, for years they had Ben Roethlisberger. So they've
• 55:24
  Speaker 7: they've had some big people that were holding up the
• 55:26
  Speaker 7: table there and a lot of them are gone. Tomlin's left,
• 55:29
  Speaker 7: who else has left? And maybe TJ. Watt, Right, it's
• 55:32
  Speaker 7: it's a little bit different.
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: Mike Sanaway has a couple of things before I let
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: you go before the Seahawks and the forty nine ers
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: on Sunday Panthers Buccaneers for the NFC South, I did
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: not really, I forgot. So the Bucks have held onto
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: that title for five years now. They've held that title.
• 55:46
  Speaker 7: This will be five this year, even though they were
• 55:48
  Speaker 7: eight and nine one year when they want, there'll be
• 55:50
  Speaker 7: eight and nine if they win it this year too.
• 55:52
  Speaker 7: So it's been a really bad division. But I think
• 55:54
  Speaker 7: the complexion of it is changing because Caroline is no
• 55:57
  Speaker 7: longer a three four win team. They look like theyk
• 55:59
  Speaker 7: they're going to be at least a little bit of
• 56:02
  Speaker 7: a pain here and there. And then I think the
• 56:04
  Speaker 7: Saints might have a quarterback, and Tyler Shuck just really
• 56:07
  Speaker 7: looks like a you know, a potential franchise quarterback. So
• 56:11
  Speaker 7: it's going to be a more interesting division for them.
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: What's wrong the Bucks when they came to Seattle. I
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: went to that game and I'm watched it felt like
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: they had an offense that was unstoppable against the Seahawk
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: defense that has proved to be pretty darn good throughout
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: the course of the season and they just marched up
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: and down the field at will against Seattle that day.
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: What has happened of Tampa?
• 56:32
  Speaker 7: So in the first part of the year, they were
• 56:34
  Speaker 7: winning all those super close games. I think they were
• 56:38
  Speaker 7: you know, maybe four and oher in games just said
• 56:40
  Speaker 7: a by a field where less. I think they're one
• 56:41
  Speaker 7: and three in those in their last four.
• 56:43
  Speaker 5: So some of that's just evened out.
• 56:45
  Speaker 7: But I think they've also had a lot of a
• 56:47
  Speaker 7: lot of injuries on offense, guys in and out of
• 56:50
  Speaker 7: the lineup. The offensive line has not been as good.
• 56:52
  Speaker 7: Both guard spots have had injury issues. They've had tackles
• 56:56
  Speaker 7: in and out a little bit. I think Tristan Works
• 56:58
  Speaker 7: was out of the lineup a little bit yesterday.
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: They they're they're running back.
• 57:01
  Speaker 7: Bucky Irving missed, you know, almost half the season, and
• 57:04
  Speaker 7: we've seen Mike Evans come back from a broken collarbone.
• 57:07
  Speaker 7: I think Uh Guka, their you know receiver whoe everyone
• 57:10
  Speaker 7: knows well here, uh has tailed off a little late
• 57:13
  Speaker 7: in the year. So uh, you know, defensively, their pass
• 57:16
  Speaker 7: rush is not very good, and I think that's caught
• 57:19
  Speaker 7: up to them. So you know, it's even out a
• 57:20
  Speaker 7: little bit in the close games and uh, and you know,
• 57:24
  Speaker 7: they're getting to a point this offseason where I think
• 57:27
  Speaker 7: they'll have to assess some things.
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: I'll wrap it up with this, Mike. Uh, just a
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: quick thought. A week from today is the so called
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: Black Monday of the NFL, and coaches are let go
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: all across the league and we'll see what happens come
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: next Monday. But when we do get to next Monday,
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: Crystal Ball, do you think Pete's still going to be
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: the head coach of the the Raiders or do you
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: think they're going to move on? What do you think
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: is going to happen to our guy?
• 57:49
  Speaker 7: I kind of lean towards not, but I don't know,
• 57:52
  Speaker 7: you know, I don't know what they're they're planning to do.
• 57:55
  Speaker 7: It seemed to me like you'd bring in Pete Carroll
• 57:57
  Speaker 7: and you know Smith and expect to get uh some
• 58:00
  Speaker 7: sort of a pulse this year, and instead they just
• 58:02
  Speaker 7: gotten pummeled. They really haven't been competitive. So how long
• 58:05
  Speaker 7: are you know, if they are going to stick with Pete?
• 58:07
  Speaker 7: How long set for?
• 58:08
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 58:10
  Speaker 7: I think you know that it may be a chance
• 58:13
  Speaker 7: after this first year to to set a longer course.
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: But we'll see.
• 58:18
  Speaker 7: Pete's a very persuasive guy, and he's got a great
• 58:20
  Speaker 7: track record.
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: Just I mean, sitting there looking for the number one
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: pick in the draft, probably two and fourteen though in
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: the year I just I never would have seen that coming,
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: not with Pete. I mean just not not with I mean,
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: in the whole Max Crosby situation and him being mad
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: because they're shutting him down. And Frank we probably for
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: the right reasons, right, Like you're doing that, like you
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: got to protect the player from the players. Sometimes I
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: get his frustration and want to be a competitor, but
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: that's probably the right thing to do, right Yeah, I mean, yes,
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: it's the right thing to do. Well, we'll talk next Monday.
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: We'll know the playoff matchups. We'll know who the number
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: one seed in the NFC is after a Saturday night
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: game as well. And uh and hopefully you know, for
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: coach's sakes, not too many black Monday, guys. But in
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: the meantime, go read Mike stuff at the Athletic, Theathletic
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: dot com, the Pick six Calms every Monday. It's great stuff. Mike,
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much. We'll talk to you next week. Hey,
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: thank you that is Mike Sando joining us as he does.
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: And hello, by Anders, how are you sorry?
• 59:17
  Speaker 5: That's right?
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: Good stuff for Mike. We'll come back in a second.
• 59:19
  Speaker 5: We'll set up.
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: We got a ton of texts today, so we appreciate
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: all the text all the feedback coming in four nine
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: four five one, four nine four to five one. That
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: is the still unrestricted free agent text line four nine
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: four five one. Some thoughts on yesterday, thoughts on next week,
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: Thoughts on Sam Donald if you missed it earlier. Hugh
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: was very passionate in his defense. Apparently apparently there's been
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: some Sam Darnold bashing in this town.
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: The last I heard some things?
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: Did you hear some things?
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: I did?
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: So fire away your thoughts on that, Sam Donald? Seahawks
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: one seed. We hate the forty nine ers by the way,
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: little quick tease John Lonn tomorrow.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: Oh he is so fired up.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: I know, I so fair. We'll we'll have our guy
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: lundon tomorrow to talk all things forty nine ers. So
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: h that's coming up tomorrow. But yeah, well we'll take
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: check your text when we come back. At four nine,
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: four to five to one. On the still unrestricted free
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: agent text line, we got a lot. We've got a lot.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: I am a little surprised, just real quick. I am
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: a little surprised by the conversation and the Darnold. I
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: don't know if i'd call it bashing, but skepticism. What
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: feels I think I'm gonna side with you in this.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: It does feel as if he takes a lot of heat.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: Yes he does, but doesn't the quarterback always.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: I don't remember Gino taking this much heat. And Gino
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: never had thirteen wins, and Gino got him to the playoffs.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: That's fair.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: Gino got him the playoffs in twenty twenty two. Yeah,
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: and I don't remember this. Maybe I'm wrong Russ. There
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: were those I was one of them that were critical
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: of Russ at times. Russ didn't get a lot of heat,
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: not like this.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: Oh, he was so lovable when he was here.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: Part of it is too, you know Pete, Pete's thing
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: with you know, protect the ball and all that kind
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: of stuff. And I mean, I think I think Gino
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: to a certain extent, certainly Russ, they were so ingrained,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: like they they would do whatever it took not to
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: take or not to throw the ball away, or not
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: to take an interception. But his hue articulates in a
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: hardcore football If you missed it, you can listen to
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: that hour at one and two. Oh yeah, there's so
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: much more that goes into it. Just the throw by
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: the quarterback, the coverage, the protection, everything else was a
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: great It is a fascinating explanation of the Mike Jackson
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: interception in the end zone. So I would urge you
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: to take a listen to that. But yeah, I'm not
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: sure what it is, why it is. But yeah, Donald
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: does definitely take some heat here.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 4: I think he took so much heat in New York though,
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 4: because he's a reclamation project, right, so he came in
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 4: with heat.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: Well there's a narrative, yes, and and it wasn't helped.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: Like the narrative is a he's a bust. Then okay,
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: he's great in the regular season until it really matters,
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: and then the last two games last year in Minnesota
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: really hurt his It hurt his you know how he's perceived.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: I mean I was listening to NFL Radio over the
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: weekend on on Sirius and like, guys are crushing him there,
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: like it's it's you know, I I don't know. I
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: I like Sam Darnald, and I would just ask you this,
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: who would you feel more comfortable with as your quarterback
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: going into San Francisco and into the postseason? Sam Donald
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: or Gino Smith? Sam or Remember they could have still
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: had Russ. They could have they could have extended Russ
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: and still have him. So so let me give you
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: those three options. How do you take?
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: Texted?
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, four nine four to five one? Sam Russ? Gino
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: who would you take? Four nine four or five to one?
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: All right, well, take a break, come back check those
• 1:02:55
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• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: Then get to it four nine four five one. That
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: is the still unrestricted free agent text line four nine
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: four five one. Let me asked a question just before
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: the break, Gino Ross Donald, who do you want going
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: into San Francisco in the playoffs? They have pull up
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: one stat here real quick, Jess hanging.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: Oh, I love it, I love.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: My okay, where is my god?
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: Okay? We have some good texts too.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we do, all right, here we go. We're hypercritical
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: of Gino's interceptions. Donald is third behind Geno and two U.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: Sam is third in fumbles behind Camon Baker, who leads
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: the league in bad it passes. Now, please sell me
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: on his fifty four percent I would, I would throw
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: the well interception percentage. Darnold's ahead of Gino. He's better
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: than that. But yeah, I mean I think it's and
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: Hugh admitted it's. It's a concern, but there's also win.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: But there's also a correlation. Yeah, so h two O eight,
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: we're two.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 3: Weight Now I think that's Vegas or Idaho.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, of course Sam giving those options, But you really
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: believe he lead us to a super Bowl? I'd like
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: to eat that crow. But a tendency to oops just
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: cannot happen in the playoffs. It feels like he'd give
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: fans the old Lucy pulling the football from Charlie Brown trick.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: I think if you're asking, can he lead you to
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: the super Bowl? I think the answer is yes.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 3: I do too.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: I think he's a better quarterback than Jalen Hurts. And
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: I know who who else agrees with that his name's
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: Hugh Millon, but I think he's better quarterback than Jalen.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: I mean, if I go across, O, Hey, here's a
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: good exercise. Let's do this. Okay, let's do this real fast.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: Let's just go across real fast and look at quarterbacks
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: Bo Nicks, Drake May, Trevor Lawrence, eight thousand year old,
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers. I'm just going teams that are in right now, Houston, La, Buffalo, Seattle, Caleb.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: I'd say he's probably I'd say he's maybe in the
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't say the bottom third, but not quite in
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: the upper half. Of the fourteen teams that are going
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: to make the playoffs. He's probably around I think he
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: probably put him in the eight to nine range. But
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: you put your defense, but you put that defense in
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: the top two. Yes, and jsn's elite makes up for that.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: So yeah, can you go to the super Bowl?
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 8: Yeah?
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 4: This is a really fun one because we had human
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 4: from one to two, and I will have the podcast
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 4: up immediately following the show. But sean into two oh six,
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 4: I would listen to Hugh compare toilet paper brands. He's
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 4: that good.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: He's always I think he's on the fine today, right,
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: he's on FA Yes, yes, all day, all day, Darnold
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: keep russing the kitchen. Gino finally exposed no heart, no clutch, Gene.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: Some on the other side says would have won just
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: many games with Gino. Team is so much better this year,
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: coin flip. Really, do you think he would have won
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: thirteen games with Geno?
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 4: I don't think so because that was a I wonder
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 4: what this defense though, if.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: Now here's someone using logic and way too much information.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: But he's one hundred percent right. I'd rather have Sam
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: because he allows us to not only have a better
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: roster due to be more affordable, but he has a
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: better accuracy in the deep ball feel just wait until
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: he adds a deep ball plays. Does she heat in
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: the playoffs? Yeah?
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 8: You know.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: And yesterday when Rashichi he gets hurt, you're down to
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: basically Cooper Cup and jsn aj Barnett throw him in
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: the mix as well. Cooper Cup isn't what he used
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: to be. You don't have a true you know outside
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: I mean Drake Young because Cody White got hurt in
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: that game too, and Jake Bobo was out there. I mean, yeah,
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: he didn't have a ton of options. I'd include Drew Lockes.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: He'll take Sam nine times out of ten, with Russ
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: being the tenth time. It's two six.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 4: I do like this one too, because we're in the
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 4: holiday season. From the two oh six do you do Holidays?
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 4: I had to watch with quote others. I prefer to
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 4: Seahawk alone. When Sam threw the almost interception to Coop,
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 4: What a terrible beast, stupid quarterback, just worthless.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 3: No, I said, watch the replay, perfect tough fest.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: I like that me too. Let's see, uh two six.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: We have this same problem with Hasselbeck. People were always complaining,
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: but I was like, yeah, he's not a top three quarterback,
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: he's a top eight to ten. How do you intend
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: on getting a top three? And you're right, fans have
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: He asked that fans protect the ball from Carolyn grain
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: to them, that's a problematic view in this new NFL.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: That's a great question. I'll throw that at Dick to
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: maybe ask you later. Is there a comparison with Matt
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: and Darnold?
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 4: Oh, you just throw that to Hugh at well, just
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 4: because k doesn't have to talk to ten minutes.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: That was a Pro Bowl or No. Five yep, but
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: Matt was never like Hall of Fame all Pro, top
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: two or three or four guy in the league. They
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: got to the Super Bowl and frankly should have won
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: the Super Bowl. They were a better team.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 4: Well, they had to play the men in stripes according
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 4: to coach so and coach was right, he was correct.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 4: I was working at ESPN during that and I remember
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 4: us all going, what.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, here's an interesting one. Chris Crawford would have sent
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: this one in, but I think or maybe Nathan Bishop
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: Peter No, but it's not from either one of their
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: phone numbers. But I think they've they enjoy this one.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: There's legitimate concerns over Darnald's turnovers twenty turnovers and twenty
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: five touchdowns on a good ratio, but wanting him bench
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: or saying he can't win the big game considering he's
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: really only played in two big games his entire career
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: is dumb. You shouldn't give these people air time. They're
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: the same people that think Julio is a.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 4: Bum Ooh, that is actually fair comparison.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 3: I think that's a good analogy.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, yeah, I mean I would actually use I would.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think there's a I think there's a
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: Julio comparison here that would and I'll and on what
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: I'm saying is this when you brought this up earlier
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: and and was frankly fired up because people, whether it's
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: on our station or fans or wherever, or you know,
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: kind of trashing on in our market, trashing on the
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: quarterback that's helped his team get to thirteen wins. That
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: there is a little Julio element to that, to that part, yes,
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: like we're I mean, Julio really gets trashed on in
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: this town at times. I know, like we expect him
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: to be, you know, Aaron Judge right now.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 3: He has to be perfection at all times.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: And now listen, they're different in the sense that Julio
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: came in with a ton of hype. Donold's a reclamation project.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: But there is something. Are we just getting salty in Seattle?
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: Is this is this the world that we're living in?
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: Are we have we turned into too.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 3: Much success breeds?
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: Well, we haven't had a lot of success yet, so.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 3: I don't think that can't be yet recently though.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: We haven't this This football team has been the playoffs
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: in three years, I know, but they haven't won a
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: playoff game.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 3: Since right now, and then coming off of what the meritors.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: Is, if we are thinking that we have too much success.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: They have not won a football playoff game since twenty nineteen,
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: and they won one that was in Philadelphia against a
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: forty eight year old quarterback who had come in the
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: last second forty four. But yes, so so like I
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: feel this weird East Coast five coming down right.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 4: Now, That's what I was saying. If Philly vibes just
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 4: I don't know. Maybe we're due for as.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: You've got me all fired up, right, we.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 3: Got all this salt. We're ready for the snow.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: Let's see do oh not too wit boiseattle transplant from link. Well,
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: thank you for listening on the iHeartRadio app.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 3: Yes, please listen to us there.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: Great text. Appreciate you. We'll take a break, come back,
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: check in with Fain next. All right, we're back, Hookah.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: Who are you going to offend today? Are you gonna
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: complain about today?
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 5: Pooka?
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: There he is walking by the ESPN.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 8: I heard his brand the last few weeks, isn't he Yeah.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: It seems that way, but all he does is catch
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: balls hundred thirteen yards per game. That's pretty good go
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: Falcons tonight.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 8: Huh, well, yeah, isn't it Isn't it bizarre that the
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 8: Rams are out of the division race. It is like
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 8: when I had to read that, like I had to
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 8: read that twice, I didn't believe it.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: What's weird is so they're out of the division race,
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: but they could still finish higher seating wise than Seattle. Correct,
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: because we could have the five and they could have
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: the six, which so or vice versa. I mean, the
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: most likely scenario for Seattle is well, it's it's it's
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: the five if you if well, five or six I'm sorry,
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: six or one six or one six or one five
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: because the Rams aren't going to Rams would have to
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: lose one of their final two. They play in Atlanta
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: tonight ten ninety and they also play Arizona the three
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: win Cardinals. Like I mean, it's just yeah, they're gonna go.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: They're they're gonna be able to They're gonna if they
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: and five is huge for people who don't five is huge.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: You get Carolina, Carolina or Tampa like the rotting carcass
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, or a Carolina team that
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: couldn't even throw for one hundred yards.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 8: Yesterday, and then what is cool is that now I
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 8: don't want to be five, but I'd rather be one.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 8: But if you do get that, then your next game
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 8: is not going to get it be against LA which
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 8: you thought that Rams would be the way. If you
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 8: were the five, you thought the Rams were gonna be
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 8: the one, So the Rams were gonna be lying in
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 8: wait for you in the next round, which is not
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 8: the case necessarily.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: Are you worried about Chicago? Not really, I'm I'm worried
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: about you know.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 8: It's funny you mentioned that I've got to I've got
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 8: a segment plan for that. But yes, I think I'm
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 8: worried about the two teams in my division more than
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 8: I'm worried about the Bears.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: I I'm I would be more worried about NFC NFC
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: West than anybody else in the NFC, and that includes Philadelphia, yes,
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: and the Bears and the Packers. I just I And
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: maybe in the NFL.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 8: Maybe you're worried more about NFC West NFC West than
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 8: any other team in the league.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I could you know the I mean, now, if
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: we get to that conversation, then then that's in Santa
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: Clara and not for the forty nine ers that's in
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: Santa Clara for another game in that first or second
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: Sunday in February.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 5: Filled with Seahawk fans.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: Oh god, yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, I mean, are
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: you kidding me? I mean Arizona was fifty to fifty,
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: this would be I think Arizona was more.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 5: I think it's more.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I do. I think it was more. I think
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: there were Now I think with Arizona we did have
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: a lot of like just fans there. Yeah, but I
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: think Arizona was more. Seattle I could buy that, yeah,
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: I believe. And New York I can't remember because I
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: just remember it was cold and I was getting snowed on.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: And then Detroit, Yeah I was. I wasn't in Detroit.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: You were there.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 8: Ninety seven three. It's the Jerome bettis coming home, uh retirement.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 8: Never heard that before.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: And what was the referee's name, the late referee Bill Bill? Yeah. Yeah,
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: I was in that end zone.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 8: I was in the sat in the end zone where
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 8: Ben Roethlisberger helmet scored instead of the football. Oh yeah,
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 8: I was in the end zone where Darryl Jackson allegedly
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 8: pushed off.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: Do you think do you think things would have been
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: different at all for Seattle in Mike Holmgren if they
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: would have won that game would have been different in
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: a sense, but well just in the trajectory of the franchise,
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: because you know, Ruscal had taken over as a GM,
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: but would if they had won that do you think
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: they would have still lost Hutch to the poison pill?
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: Do you think that the team would have solely started
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: to deteriorate a little bit? Do you think there would
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: have been the acrimony in the mean, I just.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 8: It sounds like I've taken over. I think that that.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 8: I think that I think that ship might have said,
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 8: was that was that the window?
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: Then that was the window? The window closed in Detroit?
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: In Detroit? In Detroit. Yeah, well yeah, I got a
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: year after we weren't great. I mean a playoff team.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: I mean I got I got here No. Six and
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: I think I mean, it's not like I wasn't following
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: it was in Portland, but I mean I got here
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: in the fall of O six and they were a
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: playoff team. But that was they lost to Chicago in
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: the playoffs. Yeah, that was was it?
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 8: Robbie Gold After we got crushed in the regular season,
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 8: and then we went back there and almost won the game,
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 8: won the game. Yeah, I should have won it, right,
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 8: but yeah? And then when was Green Bay? When was
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 8: Al Harris? That that was that was early?
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: That was earlier.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 8: Yeah, that was like it five sticks out because they
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 8: made the Super Bowl. Honestly, all those and and it's
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 8: a testament to coach, right because he just kept getting
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 8: us there. Yeah, they all got all those playoff years
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 8: kind of run together.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: For me, like, Okay, which year did this happen? Which
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: year did that happen? Yeah, you know, No, I think
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: it's interesting the window did close then, Yeah, window did close,
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: and I know it at the time.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 8: Yeah, but you never really know it at the time, right,
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 8: You never really knew that the first two games of
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 8: the twenty fifteen season, when Cam Chancellor was holding out,
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 8: you didn't really know that that was the closing on
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 8: that window too.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: See, I think that I think the window really closed,
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: not just for that, you're right with that. Probably twenty seventeen,
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: twenty eighteen is when it closed, but it kind of
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: was reopening a little bit. I think COVID closed the
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: Pete Carroll era. Yeah, they go twelve and four right
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: and an empty stadium, lose to the Rams with and
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's this thing. Golf played more than what's
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: his face did?
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: Golf didn't start. Remember he came in with a bat
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: thumb and he played more. That was such a weird situation. No, fans,
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: wasn't a home game. It was here, but it wasn't
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: a home game. I've never been in a weir. Just
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: was doing side in the game. Yeah, well you know
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: what I did.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 3: It was eerie.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: We did.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 8: I didn't go to that no, so remember the media,
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 8: I was like, I'm gonna sit at home.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: Well, it was on Fox. So we were there early
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 2: in the morning, doing live show, doing like a you know,
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: the extended Fox thirteen four hour pregame show. You know
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 2: we were there early. Why not everybody else is at
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: home doing nothing. They want to see you, they, I mean,
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: because no one could leave their house over there. We
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: did it, and then I left to go back and
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: do the postgame show and do everything from the studio
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 2: because all the interviews I did that year except for once,
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: were done in the studio a guy in the headset
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: because we couldn't be any So I went back. But
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: when I remember I left, I left to ten minutes
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: before kickoff, and it felt like I was leaving three
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: hours before kickoff. It was the oddest thing ever. But
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: I think that's because that happened twenty twenty one. They
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: went seven and ten or six and ten, whatever, whatever,
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: four and twelve. They had a really bad year of
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: the next year get to the playoffs with Gino. But
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: I think by then it was over. Like it was,
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: it was just kind of over, that's right. And I
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: mean the greatest decision that they've made is knowing when
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: that the bet. The strength of this organization is knowing
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: when to cut bait with Russ. Yeah, with Gino, with Pete.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: That's where they are. That's why they are where they
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: are right now. Mike McDonald was just such a brilliant higher,
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: like such a brilliant higher and not bringing back Gino
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: at an exorbitant rate, not bringing back Russ at an
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: even worse rate, you know, those are the those are
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: the moves they've made. And here we are with staring
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: down the barrel of the biggest game since probably here
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: against the forty nine ers in twenty nineteen. Yeah, Jacob Poliser,
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: game Jacob Pollisher, the.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 8: Goal line man.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: Not even the one Dick. No, it was reviewed and
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 2: we were I remember we were in the press box
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: and we were all thinking he was in. There was
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: one angle it looked like he might have broken the plane.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: And if they get that, they're the They're they're hosting games.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 8: I feel like this team's better than that team.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, defensively for sure.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 8: Even though they could end up in the same spot
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  Speaker 8: that that team would have had there been three inches further, that.
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  Speaker 2: Team went and beat Philadelphia and then went to Green
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  Speaker 2: Bay where nothing good has ever happened for them. That's right,
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  Speaker 2: it's right in a blizzard. Yes, all right, what you
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  Speaker 2: got coming up today? Well, we are working Hugh Mullin's
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  Speaker 2: tail off today. I mean every time I turned the
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  Speaker 2: radio on this morning.
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  Speaker 8: I was driving back from sun Katia today, So every
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  Speaker 8: time I turned the radio, there's Hugh again.
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  Speaker 3: There's no such thing.
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  Speaker 2: There's hu much.
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  Speaker 8: No, no, no, no, no, there's too much. And I've
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  Speaker 8: got so many thoughts and I would just those these notes.
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  Speaker 8: I'm just like typing frantically as as I'm coming home.
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  Speaker 8: My wife's driving, and I'm just like all these notes.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, this might be a stream of consciousness. Next
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  Speaker 8: three and a half hours, ninety seven percent Seattle Seahawks talk.
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  Speaker 2: I'm being honest, by way, go cracking four straight wins.
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  Speaker 2: But if we are being honest, all people want to
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  Speaker 2: talk about in the sea right now would be the
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  Speaker 2: NFL t that's right, period, So humillin coming up with
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  Speaker 2: Dick Fame. Stand by, watch.
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  Speaker 3: The crack in and listen to it. By the way, yeah, Big.
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  Speaker 8: Gates will join us at six fifteen to preview that one.
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  Speaker 8: And you're on the tube. I'm on the tube tonight. Yeah,
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  Speaker 8: ye all right.
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  Speaker 2: For the mild mannered and marginally objectionably and for ness,
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  Speaker 2: this is paddle day, saying so long everyone,