Latest / Motherhood Alliance Podcast / Barrier Dysfunction: The Breakdown That Triggers Widespread Symptoms w/ Dr. Mitch Sutton
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- Britney: Hey everyone, we are Britt and Dreya from motherhoodalliance.com and we are excited to welcome you to a four episode series with Dr. Mitch Sutton, a chiropractor and the founder of Reclaim Health. Dr. Mitch is a powerhouse of knowledge. You're going to learn that in these four episodes as he specializes in not only the nervous system, but also immune dysfunction, barrier permeability, which is like the gut and the brain blood barrier connection, mold toxicity, eczema, allergies, asthma, autoimmune and neurodegenerative disorders. Using advanced testing and targeted support, Dr. Mitch helps patients truly connect the dots of their health in order to understand how their body is actually functioning so they can stop guessing and they can actually start healing. And when he's not helping patients reclaim their health, he is a husband and a dad of two girls. We are really excited to introduce him to you now. Hey everybody, welcome to the podcast. We are super excited for Dr. Mitch to join us today. Welcome Dr. Mitch. Dr. Mitch Sutton: Hello, thanks for having me. Britney: We are really excited about these episodes. We're going to be talking, I'm excited because we're going to be getting a little sciencey, but I've also seen you're really good on social media. I've seen some of your posts about you are an expert at diving into these deep topics, but like keeping it easy for people to understand. So I think our listeners are going to just love all four of these episodes. Of course though, for those of you listening, we always like to start by getting to know our new guest in a series. And so Dr. Mitch, you shared a fun fact that you know how to knit. So tell us how you developed a skill and are you currently doing anything with it? Dr. Mitch Sutton: Yeah, this was, God, I don't know, 15 years ago, maybe now. I was, I was actually in chiropractic school and the, so towards the end of school, you have internships that you have to do kind of just like, okay, what's a functioning clinic look like? You go through here and there was actually, there was a knitting store that somebody's mom actually ran And there's this knitting class. A bunch of old ladies and all of a sudden, I'm just, oh, OK, now I started knitting. But also, there was this piece of, I enjoy, new skills. OK, this is something new. it's something I haven't done before. And how can I also just use this in, like, helping my brain, basically. I do scarves, blankets, and hats. Yeah. Andrea Renkas: Mm. Britney: You do? That is so fun! Dr. Mitch Sutton: And so I knit my niece and nephew and my kids. I made a couple hats. I made my mother-in-law some boot leg warmer things. I don't know how to fix screw ups. So if I mess up, we start over. And all right, then we just go from there. Britney: I kind of wish that we had prepared for those for those who enjoy watching our podcast on video now that we're on video. I wish you could like be holding some up showing us some of your creations. Dr. Mitch Sutton: Yeah. Well, it actually, are the, what are the biggest things? so I like, I like scarves. Okay. But you know how you usually, you know, you make the loop and then you, you tuck it in underneath here. And like with men's scarves, they're always so short and they're always just this like thing, just shove it in your face. And I was like, I just need a longer one. So I made one that I like. And especially I went to my undergraduate was in North Dakota and I had school in Minnesota, Britney: That's awesome. Dr. Mitch Sutton: It's cold and wearing something around your neck in the winter just helps. And I wanted something that was a little more substantial. Britney: For sure. So fixed your own problem. Look at you. You're just like a problem solver. I love it. Well, let's also jump into your story a bit. I want to hear about how you got interested in chiropractic in the first place, but you're not, I don't even want to say it like this, but you're not just a chiropractor. You go way above and beyond in your knowledge and your education. And so tell us about your journey in the beginning, but also how you found this passion of really diving into these more complex topics. Dr. Mitch Sutton: Yeah! Andrea Renkas: That's true. Dr. Mitch Sutton: Yeah. So I, I wanted to be a chiropractor since I was like 10 years old. growing up, my mom, that was, how would I say that? My mom's a very earthy chick. I was, getting adjusted since I was two months old, but I remember one day, she did something to her back or whatever happened. And we went into the chiropractor, right. And after the adjustment, I just saw the look of relief on her face. And I was like, this is kind of cool, helping somebody get out of pain with not any other tools other than just your touch or your hands, and just helping make sure that things work in the appropriate way. And I was an athlete growing up, baseball, basketball, football, track. And there's very much like, okay, how do I make my body work as effectively as possible? And that's where it just kind of evolved into, you know, knowing more about how everything works. I said, I also, played football in college and you get smashed, right? you take hits and yeah, you're going to be a little off just making sure trying to stay away from injury and things of that nature. then, continuing, I'll say through after, after chiropractic school, then seeing There are some other pieces of this that are very much what the original chiropractic philosophy is. The original chiropractic philosophy is that they come to three T's, Like it's traumas, toxins, thoughts, These are all things that create damage, stress, inflammation, whatever word that you want to put to it. And the adjusting side of things is more so the trauma aspect, but also too, we are surrounded by just junk, the toxic load that, that we have now. is substantially higher than it was 10 years, 20 years, 30 years ago. And it's also how your body deals with those things and what you can do to help support and strengthen and make sure that your body's ability to not only eliminate the toxin, but also to recover from some of that stuff is also where, you you call it the functional medicine side of things or, you know, where you do other tests and supplementation and understanding what chronic disease is. Britney: you Dr. Mitch Sutton: Cause that's more so where a lot of the toxin piece comes from. then also the thought process is just, or I'll say that the thought T in this too, is just the stress load and also technically what cortisol and that mental stress actually like truly really does in the body and how that affects other tissues as well too, which is all the part of where people have chronic issues and it just, which one is it for each person and trying to figure out. Understand okay is that this piece is this piece is at this piece like what's your primary thing? That's really kind of kicking the crap out of Britney: Yeah. And today we're going be talking about the barrier dysfunction that a lot of people are experiencing in another episode. We're going to be talking more about mold and these other things that in our environment, like you're saying that can affect us. But is this something where you've like sought out additional certifications? You've just dived into your own type of research or are these things that are taught in chiropractic school? how have you taken? Yeah. Dr. Mitch Sutton: These are not taught in school. Obviously, school is important. And getting your certifications, passing your board exams, and making sure that you have all of the appropriate information to move forward with all that, yes. there's also times too, where like schools kind of just jumping through hoops to pass tests and get things right. there's a lot more information that's out there and there's a lot of up and coming stuff and things that like weren't available at the time, but, it's, say more, self-taught, I guess, if you will, there's, there's other online classes that you take and you can get certifications and X, Y, Z and all that kind of stuff, but it's, I'm not, I don't like to, I have all this, this. I don't have alphabet soup behind my name, which like. Britney: Right. Yeah. I think what's cool though, is that your knowledge shows just your passion and your interest behind this stuff. And so you're just super interested in learning more about it, which to me is like amazing because if I'm to be going to see someone who's in wellness, especially like a chiropractor, I want to know that they're not just going to like snap, crackle, pop me in five minutes and I'm in and I'm out and kind of a number. you really dive deep into these and you're really listening when people are talking about symptoms. Andrea Renkas: So. Britney: and all this other stuff. Let's dive in to our first topic. We're going to be talking about barrier dysfunction in this episode. Let's just start by defining that. What is barrier dysfunction? Dr. Mitch Sutton: Okay, a barrier, And this is very much just like immune system based, okay? There are parts of your body that are an essential piece of how your immune system operates that has nothing to do with white blood cells. And so that's everywhere that you're exposed to the environment, It's your skin, it's your sinuses, your airway, your digestive system, your urinary tract, Like technically, those are all areas where you can get exposed to things that are not like actually circulating through your bloodstream yet. the food that we eat is still environment, your whole digestive tube is still technically like not inside your body, but it's inside your body. Yes. But those are all areas where you have this extra layer of, I'll say protection that, keeps your body working correctly in order to make sure that opportunistic infections or You know, things that we breathe and eat and drink, there's always stuff on it, nothing's a hundred percent clean. And so how do those tissues and how do those barriers appropriately work in order to make sure that you can maintain like normal health? And. Britney: So are we talking about like the blood brain barrier or like the the gut barrier or all of them or tell us more about like where are we talking about? Dr. Mitch Sutton: That's They're, they're all kind of the same. Okay. Like your, your intestinal barrier is the exact same tissue as, your blood brain barrier. And this is where, you know, the whole like gut brain connection and all of those pieces. And it's, there's a lot more to that than that. But when you have dysfunction and there's permeability, and more so it has a lot, a lot more to do with what's going on inside the digestive tract. Cause that's. You know, you always talk about where, oh, it's majority of our immune system resides. Like your immune system's everywhere, It's every single organ cell tissue, majority of the time that's where people beat it up is inside that digestive tract because you can't see it, you don't know what's actually happening. And yes, there's people that have digestive system dysfunctions, if it's constipation or if it's diarrhea, if it's gas or it's bloating, those are all, yes, you have a digestive system issue, but more importantly, it's anytime I look at any stool test, Or like a gut permeability test, what you're really looking for is what's creating damage to immune system in that barrier. And there's like in all those barriers, there's technically there's, three parts to it. There's, there's a chemical barrier, there's your biological barrier, and then there's the physical tissue barrier itself. your skin, your skin's technically a little bit acidic, okay? Because the pH of those areas, that chemical barrier is also what makes sure that any dysbiotic or like bad bacteria or things of that nature aren't able to live in that environment, And only you're able to have the normal, like the healthy flora that's on your skin. It's the same thing inside your digestive system, your stomach is acidic for a reason, right? Because yes, it... breaks down protein, right? And denatures it, but also it kills stuff, it sterilizes. And so the acidity of the stomach and helps stimulate pancreatic function, helps stimulate liver enzymes, biosecretion, which again, all great at helping to break down food, but also have great antimicrobial properties to it. And that's what truly keeps your normal gut flora working and keeping it corralled and keeping it in check because This is, this is a great example, People that get strep throat. Okay. Recurring strep throat. If, if all of us shook our skin cells and grew it on a Petri dish, you would see all of these different types of bacteria. So why does it actually like create a infection in some people and not in others? And yep, you take your antibiotic. Great gets rid of it, but it comes back. And then you do the same thing. Round and around we go. Okay, another round of antibiotics goes away, comes back. Because it has nothing to do with like, I mean, yes, the bacteria is important in this, but it has to do because that barrier is allowing that infection to grow in that environment. And so if you don't have the right chemical antimicrobial properties that are keeping that stuff out, then this is where you're gonna be constantly, like your walls are down. You're exposed and things can freely kind of come in and come out and do as they please. And every single living organism wants to grow and live and survive. But when you have that normal, healthy environment, then that's what's keeping all that stuff out. And then you see the chronic infections and you see, you know, the chronic imbalance in the gut flora, which then in turn is going to create damage to the actual physical tissue barrier. inside the intestinal lining. And then you see the intestinal lining piece, and then that's where chronic inflammation that happens there. And this is where it gets a little kind of in the weeds. there's a part of like you have a first line of defense immune system, your innate immune system, and then you have your adaptive. Your adaptive is what kind of brings in your heavy hitters, if you get a virus, OK, and You need some extra help. need some extra support in order to kill some of that stuff off. That adaptive immune system is what does that. But when you have any type of barrier dysfunction, right, any permeability, whether it's in the lung tissue, the sinus cavity, or like a digestive tract, right, that kind of tilts the scale, There's a specific part. called your, there's a TH1 and TH2. They're called T helper cells, right? These T helper cells are kind of the immune coordinators. barrier issues stimulate something called a TH2 immune response, which that increases your, these things called mast cells and eosinophils, which these are just the reactive side of things. People have mast cell activation or eosinophil esophagitis, All that that means is just that part of immune system is stimulated and inflamed and it creates a lot of swelling. And so that's where you see the redness or the itching or the pain. those are all your classic signs of all of those things that come up. And that's truly at the end of the day, what asthma and allergies and eczema and you know, anything of that nature is just why is that tissue constantly inflamed? And then anything you put inside that environment is just going to be more protective, your, your immune system's already like, Hey, we're in trouble here. We're just going to respond to everything, which is where then you're going to develop more and more. environmental sensitivities, more more environmental allergies, so to speak, which then traditionally, you go to your allergist and, you know, let's take a steroid or let's, you know, shove down this inflammation. Let's, you know, the antihistamines, things of that nature, but like, that's just the band-aid, you're not actually resolving the issue of why that inflammation is there in the first place. And this is also something that they don't tell you, but like, A chronic steroid use is also technically what tips that scale to be even more TH2 dominant because that shoves down. this is also too, why people get, know, you see people get sick after, after an intense period of stress because that steroid, which that's what cortisol, cortisone are pushed down. your something called your TH1, which is your your pathogen fighting side of things, your ability to kill off stuff also doesn't work as well, which the TH1 TH2 balance is just a teeter totter. And so if this is elevated, the other one decreases and just leaves you more vulnerable for other opportunistic infections. And then around and around and around you go and you kind of just get stuck in this inflamed loop. Andrea Renkas: So is this is this where you kind of start with people? Because I feel like a lot of symptoms could or come from this because what you're saying is that you're talking about your entire body. I mean, you're not just talking gut, you're talking brain, you're talking skin, all that stuff. how do you approach this? Because it just seems like that's a lot, but it also seems like it also can be very, I don't know, but Dr. Mitch Sutton: It, yeah, it's, and I say this, Your body is incredibly complex, but it's not complicated. Right. Like, yeah, it's because all of those, every single one of those barriers is all the same barrier, It's all the same immune system response. and I don't know this for sure, But like why somebody has eczema rather than asthma. Andrea Renkas: Yeah, that's a great way of saying that. Dr. Mitch Sutton: right, why somebody has digestive issues rather than chronic sinus issues, when I look at it and somebody tells me that, okay, this is what I'm dealing with, I'm immediately like, okay, what's going on with a barrier, what's going on of why things are shifting that immune system in that direction and what, where it shows up in each person, you know, that's, I can't, I couldn't tell you that, but I can tell you what's great in it. Andrea Renkas: Yeah, that's really interesting. Britney: So you talked in the beginning about the three T's, and these are things that people are all going to be struggling with. And so is it possible to even live with a well-functioning barrier at all times? Or is this just like a constant battle? And then for someone like you, who is super aware of this, what are you doing to make sure that your barrier is functioning at an optimal level? Dr. Mitch Sutton: Yeah. mean, everybody is always going to be bombarded by stuff, There's no getting around that. And there's also like what to do to help maintain in some of the simple things that are going to keep those barriers maintained, right? And keep them healthy. I mean, just making sure acidity is stimulated, Which is, okay, making sure you drink some lemon water. Making sure that you do some apple cider vinegar. there are such simple things that are at home that you can do on a regular basis. That's going to make sure that things are maintained appropriately. Aloe Vera. Aloe Vera juice. When you get sunburned, what do you put on your skin? Andrea Renkas: of, yeah. Dr. Mitch Sutton: Your skin cell is technically, it's the exact same cell that is the intestinal cell. And so aloe vera juice also is very soothing, very calming, and actually helps to regenerate collagen production, which is what pulls together your intestinal cells. That's why, like that's a main part of what holds some of that stuff together. Andrea Renkas: Cool. note on that. like, do you have to buy aloe vera juice or can you use like an aloe vera plant to make your own kind of like, how do you, just curious. Dr. Mitch Sutton: I mean, you could, if you can want to go full on, make it yourself. It's the same thing. It's the same thing. Right. But like the juices, I think it's like 10 bucks, at a grocery store and yeah, I mean, that's what you use them for. Yeah. That's what you use them for. Cause that's not technically to Alice, a slight laxative, right? So it also just kind of helps ball movement stuff move and all that kind of stuff. now. Andrea Renkas: Okay. I just have a lot of aloe vera plants that I don't use all the time. all right, I'm looking this up. Yeah. Huh. Okay. Yeah, okay. Dr. Mitch Sutton: Like one of the biggest things that I see all the time is truly like people don't have the appropriate amount of normal stomach function and acidity level drops. you know, like technically what acid reflux or like indigestion, things of that nature is not an issue of having too much stomach acid. It's an issue of too little. It's something, it's called hypochlorohydride. Now the, like normally your stomach should fully be filled. normal physiological function is that there's a full level of acidity inside the stomach. so like saying that you overproduce stomach acidity doesn't really make sense. but you have this like in your, in your esophagus, right? Like you have this little sphincter. It's more so it's like a flap. and when you don't have the enough water, or enough fluid, enough acidity that's pushing up underneath against it. Cause that flap then closes off everything that's going inside the esophagus. But if there's no reverse pressure or negative pressure, whatever that is, then that flap kind of hangs there. And then that's where you can see stuff freely kind of go into the esophagus. The reason why that The acid doesn't chew away at your stomach is because you have this protective mucous membrane. And this membrane is stimulated by the level of acidity. So when that level drops and that protective mucous membrane also drops and it's, it's a washing machine, what happens when you don't put enough water inside a washing machine, Your clothes don't get cleaned. And sometimes that washing machine is on the other side of the room. It's the same thing with the level of acid, right? Because if that food bolus is, is in there. and that stomach's churning, then you're sloshing that acidity around and it hits that area where that protective mucous membrane is no longer there. And that's like what heartburn is because you're irritating the tissue because that protective barrier is not there to support that. Andrea Renkas: yeah. So a good place to start for people, because what I'm hearing is a lot of people have low acid, like low stomach acid, would be maybe two. Dr. Mitch Sutton: Yeah, a majority of people that I see is very much like, yes, what's your stomach doing? And there's also some of these questions that I ask people that also show that. If you bloat right after you eat, that's a major thing that says, OK, what's not breaking down the food appropriately? And why is there irritation that's happening inside that system? Andrea Renkas: So, okay, yeah. Dr. Mitch Sutton: If there's any weird lightheaded or dizziness, especially in a change of position or any weird numbness tingling in your hands and feet. You talk about methylation and B vitamins and all that kind of jazz, but you need normal stomach acidity to produce this thing called intrinsic factor, which is used to make sure that you can absorb B vitamin appropriately inside the GI. So also to people that take B12 supplements orally. If you don't have appropriate stomach function, then you're not really even absorbing the appropriate amount, which that then helps your white or sorry, your red blood cells carry oxygen. And if you don't have enough oxygen, and especially in a transitional state, then your body's got to like pump harder and carry more. And sometimes you get lightheaded and dizzy because you just don't have enough oxygen going to your brain. but then to very B12 is important to rebuild something called myelin sheath, which is the, coating of your nerves. And so if you're deficient in that, then that's where also like you get the weird numbness, tingling nerve response that also happens as well too. Britney: is there a way to test for how your barrier permeability is? Because what I'm kind of hearing you say is pretty much any of these symptoms, allergies, eczema, skin issues, bloating, all of this stuff is all related, We're all one big kinetic chain, and so it's all related. But if somebody comes in and they're having symptoms, how do we know what level they're at? maybe is it kind of a one... Dr. Mitch Sutton: Yeah. Britney: I don't want to say one size fits all, but like could everybody be using aloe vera and lemon juice and stuff like that? how do you test for this? Dr. Mitch Sutton: For the most part, yes. Those are all just helpful, beneficial things that are going to just make sure that those barriers stay healthy and are maintained. There's two tests that I like to use. Like a stool test, honestly, it's fantastic. It is. You think about, yes, you're collecting your poop. But What that shows is, okay, what part of immune system is not working appropriately? what type of imbalance gut bacteria is going to show you stomach acidity, pancreatic function, biosecretion, All of that chemical barrier side of things. But also there's inflammatory markers that are in there that show, okay, there's a marker, it's called calprotectin. That literally just means that your intestinal cells are exploding. that's where that inflammation comes from, which then is like, OK, you definitely have some barrier permeability issues here. Now, there's also a blood test that is neat because there's three different markers, but three different subgroups of each of those markers. So it kind of tells you if it's acute or if it's a chronic issue, but also what part of that barrier is Andrea Renkas: Yeah. Dr. Mitch Sutton: or I'll say what thing is actually creating damage to that barrier. There's one that's called lipopolysaccharide, which is the infectious gram-negative bacteria, the stuff that we don't want to have. Then there's the occluden and zonulin, which is the full-on leaky gut piece of it. And then there's also something that's called actomycin that each one shows how that intestinal cell is breaking apart. Actomycin is a big, like gluten is a big thing that does that one. It basically like rips apart the intestinal barrier, not at the junction. That's a different piece, which then tells you it's like, okay, this cell needs a little bit extra resources in this way. But those are all of those pieces that can help you like, this is where the damage is happening. And then once you know, like, hey, this is the issue, then it's like, okay, it's either this one, this one, or this one that's creating that issue. And then you go from there. Britney: Okay, man, I feel like you have touched on 25 things where I'm like, we need a whole episode on that. But I think Andrea Renkas: all of it. Dr. Mitch Sutton: And this is I know it's a lot, And, and, like, I enjoy taking the time though, to actually show people what this is, and like, educate them and understand, this is actually why you're having this issue, And it's truly that's where the name came from, of like, you're reclaiming your health, Because so many people, why is this happening? And somebody just told me this, this and this, but like, if you can empower people to like, Britney: Yeah. Dr. Mitch Sutton: Hey, this is what you need to do so that you know what's actually going on inside your body. That's where I've had every like the best results are because the patient understands, this is why I'm doing these things. And this is the direction that we're going because this is why my body's acting the way it is. Andrea Renkas: Yeah. Britney: Yeah, well I do have one kind of side question before we finish this episode is a lot of people are doing food sensitivity testing nowadays. And obviously there's an anaphylactic, like I'm allergic to peanuts type reaction, but then a lot of people are doing food sensitivity testing. We've done this for a couple people in my family. My husband's results came back with chicken eggs and dairy. My son, who I thought would come back with dairy because he has very much of his dad's genes, came back with white beans and pineapple. Andrea Renkas: Yeah, absolutely. Britney: Are these food sensitivity things, things that people should, like, it causing internal inflammation? Is it something people really should be avoiding? Is it short-term? Is it more like if you can fix the permeability and your gut lining, like they shouldn't be an issue? Give me your thoughts on these. Okay. Yeah. Dr. Mitch Sutton: There you go. Yeah, like, so I used to write like I used to run a bunch of food tests and had great results in some of those pieces. But also, you know, people still had the same issue. And sometimes if you rerun a food test, and like all of those foods change, right, because you pulled them out of the system, you're not exposing the body to it. But then you retest and you still have technically like the same number of foods, they're just completely different foods. Britney: Hmm. Dr. Mitch Sutton: which like you're going to feel better in the first, you know, two, three, four months, because you're just reducing some of that initial inflammatory response. like, did you solve the real issue of why that showed up in the first place? Because when you look at a food test or how I look at it, it's just, an immune system test at the end of the day. That's what an IgG or an IgE or an IgA, IgM, right? Those are all the immunoglobulins that some of these tests for. And it's more so it's the IgG piece. But running into some of my own issues with that of like, well, if this was the end, I'll be able to say all of everything. Like, why is somebody still having these issues? And why are some of these foods still reoccurring? Which there's actually, it's a neat study that's out there that like technically, and again, I'm not, like food tests are great, But they don't solve the problem because if you run a food test and you don't have, another like barrier permeability test to it, then it kind of is a moot point because you don't know which piece is actually creating the problem of why your body is responding to some of those foods in the first place. Andrea Renkas: Hmm. Wow, it's really interesting. Britney: Okay, that is helpful. So Dr. Mitch Sutton: Yeah. Britney: you mentioned the aloe vera, you mentioned apple cider vinegar and lemon juice. Kind of a two part question, answer it how you want. But what are some other like quick tips that people can start doing in their home? And or what are your like non-negotiables? What are you doing? Dr. Mitch Sutton: I mean, honestly, just it's whole food at the end of the day, just eat real food, you know, and even like we do my wife, she makes her own sourdough, we do, we do dairy. and it's more so making sure that, cause it's, it's never the food, right? It's not the food. It's what's been done to the food and depending on where the source is, if you try and find. You know, something that's grass fed, grass finished, organic, you get the, the, didn't mess with it, It's not processed through all these things. Cause that technically like that processing is what destroys and doesn't, it doesn't allow your body to recognize what that used to be. Which your body is basically, is this good for me? Is this bad for me? Super black and white. And so a lot of those foods, Because of it's molecular structure that's changed over time because of these chemical processing that's happened to them. That's where you see a lot of these low level of irritation that like every day it's not substantial, it's a little chip, but like over time, all of those little chips add up and they're like, well, I haven't changed anything. So why do I feel this way? Right? Cause it's, it's more so the damage that's happened over time of your body not able to put itself back together from some of those things. So like whole food stuff is, is important. at the end of the day, like a hundred percent, but like, am I going to tell you that obviously we go have pizza and do things like a hundred percent, you know? but it's, it's also the piece of. Do I do the things to like protect my body from when I know I'm going to do something stupid that's going to hurt it? Yes. And, and I'm no different from anybody else. It's just, just know how to fix it, but also like I enjoy teaching people like, okay, if you're going to go do these things, you make sure you do this, this, and this before you go do it. So it doesn't kick the crap out of you. Andrea Renkas: Mmm, yeah. Britney: Okay. Well, I feel like a lot of people are going to be resonating with this episode of just yeah, I have some stuff going on. I ought to be completely transparent when you were talking about the esophageal stuff my husband struggles with that kind of stuff. And so, uh, yeah, he'll probably be chatting with you. And so I'm sure a lot of other people are feeling the same way. So what is the best way for people to contact you? Do you do any sort of a free phone call or consult just to go and know people to see if you're a good fit or tell us about the process of working with you? Dr. Mitch Sutton: Yeah. Yeah. So there's, reclaim health clinic.com. and there's a part where you can, you know, message, If you have questions, that kind of thing. And if you leave name number, Then I give you a call and say, Hey, what do you got going on? This is what we do. And kind of walk you through okay, then probably need to set up a new patient appointment. and then if it's this piece or if it's this piece, then Britney: . Dr. Mitch Sutton: depending on what that exam and going through that appointment is, this is where we need to go in that direction, is the best way. Britney: Okay, great. Well, we have three more episodes coming up. We're basically going to be continuing the conversation, but next up we're going to be talking about autoimmune disorders. In our third episode, we're going be talking about neurodegenerative diseases and what's actually happening in the brain with those. And then in our fourth episode, we're going to be talking about mold. These are all super interesting topics, things that people are very passionate about. So we are excited to come back shortly with the next one.