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185. [Louisiana] The Second Baton Rouge Serial Kilier · Bless This Mess: A Southern True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, welcome to bless This Messa, the True Crump Podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Don't Care Here was do say has to do? All right,
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  Speaker 1: we are back this week and we are going back
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  Speaker 1: to Louisiana's dude, we're doing Yes, we're doing a series.
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  Speaker 1: We're covering the Apparently Louisiana has one of the highest
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  Speaker 1: serial killer like ratio like per capita. I think it's
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  Speaker 1: number seven in the United States based on the amount
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  Speaker 1: of people. So we're doing a little run through Louisiana
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  Speaker 1: about the different serial killers. So last week we covered
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  Speaker 1: Derek Toddley, which is probably the most famous serial killer
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  Speaker 1: I would say out of the state, yes, except for
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  Speaker 1: or maybe people have hurt well, yeah, I'd say he
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  Speaker 1: the most famous. People have also probably heard of the
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  Speaker 1: ax Man because of the American Horror story Coven member
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  Speaker 1: he was in that. I think we covered the axe Man,
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  Speaker 1: didn't we. We did cover the ax Man a lot
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  Speaker 1: a long time ago. So anyways, we're going through different
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  Speaker 1: serial killers and so this week we are covering one
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  Speaker 1: Sean Vincent Gillis. He was one of the three that
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  Speaker 1: was operating at the same time as Derek todd Lee. Anyways,
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  Speaker 1: we have our so we'll get into that in a minute.
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  Speaker 1: We do have our co host back. It is ten
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  Speaker 1: fifteen at night, and you're like, well, why isn't this
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  Speaker 1: baby asleep? And that's a that's a question, great question, yes,
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  Speaker 1: because he the last what's happened is the last two
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  Speaker 1: last night and this night. Last night we thought it
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  Speaker 1: was just a fluke, but he did it again tonight.
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  Speaker 1: We got to getting back, We got to get him
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  Speaker 1: on a better schedule in the evening because he's what
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  Speaker 1: he's doing. He's fallen asleep early, but it's too early,
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  Speaker 1: so he's taking like a little cat nap and then
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  Speaker 1: he don't want to sleep when it's time to go
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  Speaker 1: to sleep. So now he's on a little another wake
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  Speaker 1: window right now. But we had already planned on recording this,
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  Speaker 1: and all the other children are actually asleep, so he
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  Speaker 1: might just have to hang out in here with us.
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  Speaker 1: Hopefully he's not too noisy. Well, he was quiet until
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  Speaker 1: just now we started recording. Then all of sudden, now
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  Speaker 1: start I guess he's got things to say. He's anyway,
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  Speaker 1: Don't be drawn that negative energy at us. Okay, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: come on, we got four kids. Why would you do that?
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  Speaker 1: That's just me? And then we have Instagram, Facebook, TikTok.
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  Speaker 1: I share our dinners each night. The page is completely
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  Speaker 1: to just me sharing dinners. But that's what the people
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  Speaker 1: want to see, so I give it to them. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm doing something cool this week, and that is I cooked.
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  Speaker 1: So this is my new thing, and I think I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna start writing down like my menus each week. So
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  Speaker 1: I cooked a I figured out that cooking dinner at night,
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  Speaker 1: the hardest part about cooking dinner night is the meat.
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  Speaker 1: And so like dealing with the meat, cleaning up after
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  Speaker 1: the meat, like all the stuff with the meat.
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  Speaker 2: You know, cooking sex, could be cooking.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know anyways, the meat. So so I sometimes
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  Speaker 1: I cook the ground beef or the or like do
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  Speaker 1: shredded chicken, and I freeze it that way you don't
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  Speaker 1: have to you just thaw it out and you can
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  Speaker 1: use it for whatever. Well, this week, what I tried
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  Speaker 1: was I got a pork roast, a really big one.
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  Speaker 1: I roast in the crock pot. Or no, I roasted
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  Speaker 1: in the Dutch oven because I was too hungover. That's
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  Speaker 1: a different story for a different day. I was so
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  Speaker 1: hungover because I went to a wedding with an open bar.
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  Speaker 2: I should have recorded that night, my boss is wedding.
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  Speaker 2: We should have recorded that night.
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  Speaker 1: I was unfunctional. Anyways, I cooked this giant pork shoulder
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  Speaker 1: and shredded it up. And so each night I'm using
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  Speaker 1: the meat as we work through the week, I'm using
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  Speaker 1: the meat in different ways. So first night we did
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  Speaker 1: just it over rice with broccoli on the side, like
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  Speaker 1: a Sunday dinner. Monday. My new thing is Mexican food Monday,
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  Speaker 1: because I feel like you go to work on Sunday.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I figure, you go back to work on
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  Speaker 1: Monday after being you know, home on Sunday the weekend,
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  Speaker 1: you don't really want to go back. So I figured
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  Speaker 1: you need something like really exciting look more so, like
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  Speaker 1: what's better than Margarita's and Mexican food? But we don't
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  Speaker 1: want to go to a restaurant. No, so I basically
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  Speaker 1: moved taco Tuesday Mexican food Monday. So we had taquitos
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  Speaker 1: that I made, and then tonight we had pork fried rice,
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  Speaker 1: so I took some of that, and then tomorrow we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna have On Wednesday. I call it whimsical Wednesday, and
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  Speaker 1: it's more like a fun thing where we sit at
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  Speaker 1: the table and we like build our own stuff. So
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  Speaker 1: like we did a baked potato bar one week where
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  Speaker 1: everyone could put on their own toppings and stuff, and
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  Speaker 1: so this week we're doing little sandwich sliders with the
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  Speaker 1: pork and I got three little stacks we can build
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  Speaker 1: up that it sounded really good. And then Thursday we're
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  Speaker 1: going to use the rest of it or on potato
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  Speaker 1: bowls because I have potatoes. And then Friday we're doing
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  Speaker 1: level of throw it on a pizza. Anyways, my point
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  Speaker 1: is is that I just made all the meat at
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  Speaker 1: the beginning and I'm using it throughout the week and
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  Speaker 1: it's I really feel like it's like a big moment
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  Speaker 1: for me too. It's really it's really open some some
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  Speaker 1: e of cooking for me. Okay, And no, there's no
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  Speaker 1: ways like we're you know how many times we've made
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  Speaker 1: of roast and we stick it in the fridge and
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  Speaker 1: don't use the meat and everything, and then it ends
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  Speaker 1: up going in the trash.
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  Speaker 2: M you know that common household problem.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, common household problem. So we're fixing that. We're using
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  Speaker 1: all of it this week anyway, So I've been sharing
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  Speaker 1: our dinners. I still will get back to the True
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  Speaker 1: car recoondation. I just haven't watched, but I did watch
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  Speaker 1: that shipwreck, the shipwreck one on Netflix, the new one
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  Speaker 1: where the ship was going down like the Titanic out there.
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  Speaker 1: It's crazy. Apparently like thirty three people died on that
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  Speaker 1: or something. Thirty two really yeah, one child in thirty two.
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  Speaker 2: Why would you watch that before we go on a cruise.
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  Speaker 1: Well, we're going on a cruise. Oh okay, that's a
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  Speaker 1: long ways away. That's six or seven months away.
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  Speaker 2: That's true. I watch air disasters anyways.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, I did watch that one. That one was
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  Speaker 1: pretty good. Some of the people, the the not the characters,
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  Speaker 1: but the passengers.
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  Speaker 2: There were characters.
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  Speaker 1: No, they're just annoying. They weren't even characters. The one anyways,
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  Speaker 1: the one, there was one lady that was there was
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  Speaker 1: one the husband and wife with the like the two
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  Speaker 1: two or three year old that they were trying to save.
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  Speaker 1: He was so annoying for some reason, like the wife
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  Speaker 1: is they're talking about trying to get up, like climb upstairs,
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  Speaker 1: you know, to get to the deck or whatever. And
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  Speaker 1: so I'm listening to him to tell the story, and
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  Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, uh, his wife was carrying the child
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  Speaker 1: up the stairs. She's about to throw up wherever. He's like,
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  Speaker 1: we'll just throw up and keep going. It's like, why
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  Speaker 1: don't Why don't you carry the child like he just
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  Speaker 1: told her to like throw up and keep going. I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: why aren't you carrying the kid? His wife carried the
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  Speaker 1: child like everywhere. He didn't even carry the child during
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  Speaker 1: all this. The one time he did carry her, he
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  Speaker 1: slid down this thing and freaking knocked her in the
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  Speaker 1: head with some furniture and they thought they killed her
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  Speaker 1: or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: Probably all the wif wouldn't let him cry the baby anymore.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's like you dun't.
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  Speaker 2: It's like I'm dying, but you're not going to carry
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  Speaker 2: this child.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I hated him, it's.
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  Speaker 2: Coming out of both ends, but no, you cannot have
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  Speaker 2: the child.
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  Speaker 1: I hated him. And then there was another lady. It
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  Speaker 1: was a lady and a guy, and I can't tell
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  Speaker 1: they had different last names, but they they at the time,
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  Speaker 1: he was going to propose to her on the cruise
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  Speaker 1: or something. I don't know's going because this is like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, this was in twenty twelve, so this is
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  Speaker 1: thirteen fourteen years later. Anyways, So they were going to
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  Speaker 1: interview and she they got on the lifeboat and they
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  Speaker 1: made it back to the shore, and she's being so
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  Speaker 1: dramatic about we were just called. We just were walking.
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  Speaker 1: They had they had their whole party, like she had
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  Speaker 1: the guy she came with, so she wasn't looking for anybody.
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  Speaker 1: So she's over there. This is juxt episode's juxtaposed, juxtaposed,
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  Speaker 1: juxtaposed in the documentary, like the directors will pray, like
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  Speaker 1: this lady's annoying. We're just gonna put the So we
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  Speaker 1: have the story of the family to the husband and
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  Speaker 1: wife and the little the little kid girl that are
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  Speaker 1: still on the ship going down. The going down the
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  Speaker 1: ship that's like slanted so much like a slide. The
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  Speaker 1: dad's knocking the kid in the head. All that stuff.
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  Speaker 1: We got that and then they flashed to her, she's
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  Speaker 1: made it to shore and else.
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  Speaker 2: We had it was one bottle at the quila to
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  Speaker 2: make our margaritas.
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  Speaker 1: That's exactly. It's like, that's almost exactly like you know
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  Speaker 1: what there was only wasn't any water. We couldn't there
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  Speaker 1: was no place to sit. It's just like there's literally
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  Speaker 1: people sinking honest ship out there. You're sitting there complaining
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  Speaker 1: about you didn't have a nice place to sit and
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  Speaker 1: you just didn't know what was going on. Nobody was
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  Speaker 1: directing anything. It's like, shut the fuck up.
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  Speaker 2: Where was the cruise director? Yes, I was supposed to
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  Speaker 2: do pilates.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, she was so annoying because there was another girl
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  Speaker 1: that was there who was seventeen and her mom was
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  Speaker 1: made So I understand her. She's looking for a person
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  Speaker 1: and her mom end up. Well, I don't want to
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  Speaker 1: run for everbody, but anyway, she's looking for her mom
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  Speaker 1: and she came I find herself. I understand why you're
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  Speaker 1: like upset that there's no direction. You're just like really
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  Speaker 1: stressed because you're looking for your loved one. This big
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  Speaker 1: has had Yes, you're seventeen years old looking for your mom.
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  Speaker 1: This lady's like grown and has her partner there with
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  Speaker 1: her and she's complaining and then she has picture of
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  Speaker 1: them like leaned up against a wall and everything with
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  Speaker 1: her one.
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  Speaker 2: Bottle with the boat sinking in the background.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, anyways, so that I did not like a lot
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  Speaker 1: of the people. I was like, man, can you just
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  Speaker 1: gone down with the ship?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? Schwap you out for the thirty eight people that
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  Speaker 2: didn't make it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So anyways, if you have.
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  Speaker 2: A chance, you can go watch it as Carol.
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  Speaker 1: Yah. See if you're annoyed by the man, the husband
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  Speaker 1: and then the lady uh and then yeah, So that's
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  Speaker 1: what I've watched. I haven't watched a lot lately. We've
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  Speaker 1: just been super busy. We're getting ready to move. We're
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  Speaker 1: moving in one month. We have done nothing.
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  Speaker 2: So very little.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but they're moving us though. They're packing all of
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  Speaker 1: our stuff and moving it. We probably should have should
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  Speaker 1: be doing more to prepare for that, should be decluttering more.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, well we just need to grow up everything.
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  Speaker 1: At this point, I'm like, throw it all in there.
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  Speaker 1: They're literally pack everything. If you have like a bag
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  Speaker 1: of trash, they'll pack it like they don't ask, they
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  Speaker 1: just pack it. If it's in their sight. They're just
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  Speaker 1: they have the one mindset. They just pack, pack, back pack, pack.
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  Speaker 2: The whole room and move on to the next.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, so we'll just have them pack it all up
• 11:27
  Speaker 1: and then we'll we're gonna declet it up. Yeah, because
• 11:30
  Speaker 1: this next house is going to be like our long home,
• 11:34
  Speaker 1: our long term home. This is where we're going to
• 11:37
  Speaker 1: be living for ever. Because I I looked around and
• 11:42
  Speaker 1: I was just like looking, if I had to pack
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  Speaker 1: all this stuff up, like what's in this bag right here?
• 11:49
  Speaker 1: We need to find that I don't know what, and
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  Speaker 1: this this closet. You know what's great, guys, though, we're
• 11:55
  Speaker 1: going to have space to not sit in a closet
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  Speaker 1: and record. That's what's going to be great. We're also
• 12:02
  Speaker 1: going to have space where if the kids are out
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  Speaker 1: there watching a movie, we don't have to wait till
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  Speaker 1: ten o'clock at night to come in here in court,
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  Speaker 1: because the problem is where we're at now. If they're
• 12:11
  Speaker 1: out there in the front room, the front rooms on
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  Speaker 1: the other side of the wall of this closet, you
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  Speaker 1: can hear the TV or whatever, so they could easily
• 12:18
  Speaker 1: they're old enough where they can sit in there and
• 12:19
  Speaker 1: watch a movie and be if they need us, they
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  Speaker 1: would come find us. But we can't do anything because
• 12:24
  Speaker 1: you can hear the movie.
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  Speaker 2: In the background, sound bars, midl on the wall, TV's
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  Speaker 2: on the wall.
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  Speaker 1: We can't sit in the front bedroom because of the
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  Speaker 1: frickin neighbors and the cars that rev their engines all night.
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  Speaker 1: So you know. Anyways, But so that's our kind of
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  Speaker 1: our updates. Anything else you'd like to add, stud or
• 12:43
  Speaker 1: wouldn't we get into this?
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  Speaker 2: I got to go to bed. We got to get
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  Speaker 2: this going. It's like midnight.
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  Speaker 1: It's not midnight, Stewart. It feels like you're so annoying.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Do you have some blur to beat? Amore?
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  Speaker 2: I did more fucked up shit in my twenties than
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  Speaker 2: you will do in your entire life.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I'm tired.
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  Speaker 1: Let me tell you what that wedding.
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  Speaker 2: That saved that for shoot the poop wedding.
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  Speaker 1: No, I'm just telling them that.
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  Speaker 2: Should I tell them?
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  Speaker 1: No?
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no no, since you might not remember everything, I.
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  Speaker 1: Don't remember everything, and that's where that's the problem. It
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  Speaker 1: was bad, guys. I was like, I didn't eat before
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  Speaker 1: I went to the wedding, pre.
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  Speaker 2: Kid Kara pre Yes, this was pre child I had.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't have stew there to like, no manage me.
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  Speaker 1: I was left to my own devices.
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  Speaker 2: I tried to manage you through text. You would not, Yes,
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  Speaker 2: you would not.
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  Speaker 1: He's like, well come home. Then I was like, I'm
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  Speaker 1: fucked up. Well it was my friend, my coworker friend.
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  Speaker 1: She was my date. Me and her went together instead
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  Speaker 1: of bringing our husbands. And she was a bad influence
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  Speaker 1: because she was drinking just as much as me. But
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  Speaker 1: she she she left me. I guess she got real
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  Speaker 1: bad and she left me early and I didn't even
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  Speaker 1: realize she'd gone. And then I was like, she was
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  Speaker 1: texting me, She's like are you still there? And I'm
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  Speaker 1: sitting there. I looked back my text. I couldn't even
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  Speaker 1: spell still. I was spelling it st e a L
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  Speaker 1: st e e L and I tried. I still never
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  Speaker 1: got still SD Anyways, so uh yeah, that was And
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  Speaker 1: I wasn't even out late. I left at nine point thirty.
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  Speaker 2: Like, and I had to deal with that and still
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  Speaker 2: had to.
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  Speaker 1: Deal with me. I trying to get the door unlocked.
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  Speaker 1: I remember that. I remember trying to get the door
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  Speaker 1: unlocked and it wasn't happening. But anyways, I made it
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  Speaker 1: home safely. I still concerned my behavior, but it's fine,
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: it'll be fine. You only live once, you know, anyway.
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  Speaker 1: So on that note, let's go ahead and get into
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  Speaker 1: this week's case out of Louisiana. Who where they also
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  Speaker 1: liked to drink and would never shame anybody.
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  Speaker 2: No, all right.
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  Speaker 1: So during the late nineteen nineties and early two thousands,
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  Speaker 1: there were just a ton of homicides in the Baton Rouge,
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  Speaker 1: Louisiana area. And it's so funny the documentary that I
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  Speaker 1: watched to learn more about him. Uh, it was some people.
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  Speaker 1: It was like a British documentary. So they call it
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  Speaker 1: kept call like Baton Rouget, Baton Rouge, Baton Rouge. Wait,
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  Speaker 1: it was like when you say baton, you know, but
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  Speaker 1: not in a Southern accent. It was Baton Rouge Louisiana.
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  Speaker 1: So women were disappearing or were found dead across South
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  Speaker 1: Louisiana parishes. Now, the frequency of the crimes indicated a
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  Speaker 1: serial killer was active, but the differing profiles of the
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  Speaker 1: victims and the variety of crime scenes were really complicating
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  Speaker 1: things for the police response, because you know, they're looking
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  Speaker 1: most of time a serial killer, they do the same thing.
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  Speaker 1: That's that's why they're serial killers, because they have this
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  Speaker 1: thing that gets them going.
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  Speaker 2: They got they got an mo of operation.
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  Speaker 1: The type of of of victim, the way that they
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  Speaker 1: kill them, things like that. It's all the same and
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  Speaker 1: so normally they can kind of hone in on that
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  Speaker 1: and get some sort of profile so to manage the cases,
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  Speaker 1: because again it was just there was just so many.
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  Speaker 1: They had multiple agencies create task force, trying to combine
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  Speaker 1: resources across the city, the parish and even state lines.
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  Speaker 1: Now parish if anybody recalls parishes like a county if
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  Speaker 1: you're wondering, if you're not from Louisiana or familiar, that's
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  Speaker 1: when we say parish. They're based on the Catholic churches.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, because the priest.
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  Speaker 1: That wedding I went to is also Catholic. Yes, you
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  Speaker 1: know Catholics as you They know how to drinks with you.
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  Speaker 2: There's that's all. I remember.
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  Speaker 1: They were so long and she was getting confirmed she
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: was averting to the Catholic faith, so we then we
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: had to actually do that as well. I learned a
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: lot from the lady I work with. I learned a
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: lot because she's Catholic, and she was telling me all
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: about Jesus was in a box up there or something
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: like that.
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: It was, and there was no guitars.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: There, no, no, no, no, no guitars. No, no guitars.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: It's all assemblies of God.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: Yes, weren't my heathens? So I was, I was. I
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: was telling another lady, she was Baptist, about how we
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: were the heathens in town because we had them guitars
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: at her church. And she said, she said that at
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: her church, she said, as long as you don't move
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: below the waist, they said, it was fine.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: We got her, We got our piano like.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: They got, you know, a little more adventurous, she said,
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: because they would they were allowed to move their hands
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: or their hands or something. They just couldn't move anything
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: below the waste.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: No hips, Yeah, I can't do.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: No, all right. So for years, investigators worked in the
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: assumption that the killer was a white male, and this
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: profile was based on early FBI behavioral assessments, leading police
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: to assemble a list of suspects. Now, investigators tracked down
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: local men and requested voluntary DNA swabs to eliminate them
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: from the investigation. Now, while police search for a white man.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: The suspect that identified altered the direction of the case. Now,
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: in two thousand and three, a survivor named Diane Alexander
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: gave police a description after fighting off an attacker in
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: her home. Now, DNA evidence from her case matched multiple
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: crime scenes, pointing to a black man named Derek Todd Lee. Now,
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: Derek was captured in May of two thousand and three
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: and linked to seven murders total, which is who we
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: talked about last week. So law enforcement and the public
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: believed that, Okay, they've caught I mean, they've caught a
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: serial killer.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: We've got it.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: Yep, christis averted. We got the guy. There shouldn't be
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: anymore killed. There shouldn't be anymore. This should explain all
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: the murders in town and what has been going.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: We're going to put a bow on it.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So, however, an entirely separate investigation would later reveal
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: that another killer had been operating independently during the exact
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: same timeframe. So this is like completely this doesn't happen
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: that And we're going to complicate thingsy more next week
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: because we're.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: Going to throw in a third one a third one. Huh.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: There is a third. So this is just absolutely insane
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: that this would be going on. So we're going to
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: just walk through the chronological history that talks about all
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: of the victims of this new serial killer that they
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: have will identify in the Baton Rouge area that's working
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: at the same time as Derek Toddley.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: On March twenty first, nineteen ninety four, eighty one year
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: old Ann Brian was murdered in her apartment. Fellow residents
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: found and inside her apartment out of Baton Rouge retirement community,
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: and she had been stab multiple times and her throat
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: was slashed. At the time, the local police traded the
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: murder like it was an isolated random home invasion or
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: a burglary gone wrong, and there was no physical evidence
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: or DNA profile link in the crime to a broader pattern,
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: and the case went cold for ten plus years.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think she So she stayed at the Saint
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: James retirement home and I believe she had left her
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: She used to leave her door cracked so that the
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: orderly could come in.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: At night administer her meds.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: This is like, this is so I always find this
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: so disturbed. I mean, it's disturbing when they harm, when
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: they hurt children. But it's also disturbing for like elderly
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: people because you just think you've made it. If I'm
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: thought I've made it, and like no one's going to
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: murder me, Like why would anybody murder?
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, these people rape and murder these old women too.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy. Well we had that one in Atlanta, Georgia, Georgia. Yeah,
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: that was doing that specifically targeting, targeting elderly women. I
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: mean it's just I mean, you just think that you're
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: I feel like I would just feel like I was okay,
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: and here women can never feel safe.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: Unless you're at an ATM or something. You know, Well,
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: yeah I would feel safe just walking down the street.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: But now people just kill you for normal.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: Well you can feel safe just fun because you're a man. No,
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: it's us women who are.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: Somebody would just knock you out, just to knock you
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: out on the street.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: Well, that happens too. But I'm just saying in general, STU,
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: you do not know are a plight. Okay, We're always
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: targeted as women, all right, Okay, and you know you
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: can't take that from US.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: Police only link this case to the serial killer after
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: his two thousand and four arrest. During interrogations, he confessed
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: to the exact entry method describes specific internal details of
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: the apartment layout that had never been made public, and
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: forensic computer analysis discovered photographs of the retirement.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: Analysts you said analysis.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: Wow, analyst discovered photographs of the retirement apartment complex on
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: his computer hard drive. So he'd been case in the
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: joint figuring what he was going to do.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: Yes, so anyway, so that was suspected his first official.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: Kill, jumping into the serial killer business.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: And when he was interviewed, he did, like I said,
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: confess to all of these in great detail.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: Drink all right you Kara?
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: All right, No, I'm I'm I'm on hyatus. I haven't
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: made those martuitas last night and I had like two
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: SIPs and I'm like, no, I'm good. Yes, or take
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: a little break, you know, try to recover it. It
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: took me two days to recover from that hangover. I've
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: never done well with hangovers, though it's mine get worse, yes,
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: Like Stu would start feeling better during the day. As
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: the day progressed, I would slowly deteriorate down to where
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: I couldn't hardly function. It's like it was like it
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: just I don't know, it's just bad. So on January fourth,
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: nineteen ninety nine, twenty nine year old Katherine Hall was murdered.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: Now Katherine worked in the local sex trade. Now passerby
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: found Katherine naked, strangled with the plastic zip tie, and
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: stepped sixteen times in a remote area area the following morning. Now,
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: during the initial investigations, detectives were able to collect a
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: foreign DNA profile from Catherine's body, but it produced no
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: matches when run through national criminal databases. Now, because her
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: background matched the victims of the act of Derek Todd
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: Lee investigation, police initially thought this was a part of
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: Derek Todd Lee's like his his kills. I mean, they
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: didn't know who he was at that point, but they
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: just were grouping it in with that same.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: All those people that thought that they were attributed to
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: the one killer. They thought that, yeah.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: But see, I didn't know did he I can't remember
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: last time. I didn't think he was targeting, targeting like, uh,
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: prostitutes and stuff. I thought he was main he mainly.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: Did housewives and college.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: College students and stuff, which is where I feel like
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: he got more noticed because he was it was people
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: that people were you know, going to notice were missing
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: and like immediately, yeah, immediately, not.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: Just a week or two later.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right. So in two thousand and four, when
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: Sean Vincent Gills was finally arrested, they were able to
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: run his DNA against what they found on Catherine and
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: it was a match. They also recovered photographs of her
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: corpse stored in his computer files because he kept pictures
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: of all of this. And then he just he was
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: a blabbermouth in his police interviews. He just.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: How smart he was and how it well, no, he was.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: More like, yeah, I wish I wasn't like this. I mean,
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: the thing is is that you know, tell you do
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: something like this, you know you're never going to know
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: how I feel, because I mean, I did this stuff.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: You didn't even do it, like talking to the investigator
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: like you should know basically, like how do you think
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: I feel that I did all this time? Like how
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: do you think I feel I'm such a bad person
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: or whatever, And he's just.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: Very I'm the victim. I'm the truth victim.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: I'm the true victim. I had to do all this.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: I have to live with that. Yes, that's what these
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: people are dead. They don't have to live with this anymore. Yes,
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: I'm the one that carries this burden.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: That's exactly what he sounded like.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: On May thirtieth, nineteen ninety nine, fifty two year old
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: Hardy Schmidt disappeared while out for a morning jog in
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: an upscale neighborhood. Travelers discovered Hardy's body discarded in Saint
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: James Parish by you several days later. She had been
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: struck by a car, She was raped, and she had
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: been choked to death.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: So during this time, he was dating this woman named
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: Terry Lamore and good thing babies can't understand he scaring
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: and his child for life, uh, Terry Lamoyne. And so
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: after he hit the hit this woman with his car,
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: you know, he puts her in the car and then
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: he he actually had to go pick up Terry for
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: uh from work or something like that. So he puts
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: the woman's body in the trunk and he's driving around
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: with it and picks up his girlfriend and she gets
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: in the car and she says she's thought she smelt
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: something like off or whatever, and he said, oh, I
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: hit an animal or whatever. And that's just like this
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: this debt and that some of the animal, dead animal
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: got on the car and that's just the smell or whatever.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: So anyway, so he's driving around with his girlfriend in
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: the car and this woman's body in the trunk. I mean,
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: he's like, he was like the fact that not many
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: people know about him as a serial killer. He was
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: like disturbing how violent he was.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: And it's pretty nonchalant about it, and.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: Pretty yeah, he's very nonchalant in his in his interviews
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: with police. Just I mean, it's disturbing how relaxed he
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: is about the whole situation.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: Talking about it like he's going to the grocery store
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: and picking up some bread and milk.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: Because Hardy didn't fit the demographic of the local sex workers,
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: police struggled to find a connection. The task force heavily
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: scrutinized the local traffic repords. They interviewed residents, but there
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: were no witnesses that could identify the vehicle that struck her.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: After Sean Vincent Gillis was arrested, police were able to
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: connect him to Hardy Schmidt's murder. He told police the
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: exact location where the body was recovered from the precise
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: making model of the car that he had hit Hardy
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: with on her jogging route and where he had hit
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: her on the jogging route. So his confession is what.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he wasn't trying to hide anything. He's like, let
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: me tell you all.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: This, let me tell you all that great things I've done.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: Yes, I want credit for everything. I don't need Derek
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: Toddley taking credit for any of mine now.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: None of my kills. No, he's not getting any of them.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: The next murder that was associated with Sean Vincent Gillis
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: happened on November twelfth, nineteen ninety nine. Thirty six year
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: old Joyce Williams disappeared from Port Allen. Hunters found Joyce's
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: skeletal remains months later in a heavily wooded area of
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: Iberville Parish. Is it what is its doue.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: I Valdosta, Valdos to it's Ebberville.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: Iberville whatever? Anyways?
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: Where are you from? Texas?
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: Yes? Oklahoma? Actually okay. Due to the advanced decomposition.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: It's been drinking against did you got there drinking?
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: No. Of the remains, forensic pathologists could not extract any
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: DNA profile or determine the exact cause of death because
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: she was just in a state of decay. As you
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: can imagine. Even November in South Louisiana, it's gonna be humid.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: There's gonna be there's gonna be animals out there, bugs also, Yeah.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: Which it right about November, it starts getting.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: Cold November, Yeah, colder, but you could still get a
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: warm eighty degree day, humid day down there. We've had
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: plenty of Christmases. We were wearing shorts outside, yes, so yeah,
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: so it just because it's November didn't mean that the
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: body wouldn't necessarily stay intact. Now, the case remained classified
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: as an unsolved missing person turned homicide with they had
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: zero clue who was who did this at the time.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: Now investigators verified that it was Sean Vincent Vincent Gillis
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: who killed Joyce, based entirely on his confession. He described
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: using a nylon zip tie to strangle her and named
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: the exact location where he stored her because he had
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: distored her body temporarily and he had actually cut up
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: her body before moving the remains. So he went through
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: all of this with police just matter of factly, like
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: he was telling the fishing like.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: A technical manual.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: In January of two thousand, fifty two year old Lillian
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: Gorham Rolinson was abducted and commercial fishermen found Lilian's body
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: float in the Edchapela Basin near Whiskey Bay two months later.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: She had been choked with a zip tie and sexually
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: assaulted after her death.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: Yes, and if you recall from last week, Derek Todd
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: Lee disposed of someone in Whiskey Bay as well as
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: that's where.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: The bike of Mickey Shunik.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: Ki Shunik was found. So I can't even imagine if you.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: Like, drained the Whiskey Bay.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like how many bodies.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: Well they did to drain it to get rid of
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: all that. What was what was the name of that
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: plant that was in the Chapela basin that they were
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: trying to get killed.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: It was choking it up.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Okay, we don't know.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: Well, they did drain it, and I'm sure they found
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: a lot of stuff in there, is what I'm saying.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: I have to go and look and see. It might
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: be worth a Google search.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: I was talking to a girl at work and she
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: said she had gone up on vacation to like a
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: lake or whatever. And I was saying how I didn't
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: like everybody had gone to the lake for July fourth,
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: and I was saying, how I don't really I don't like.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: I don't want to go in a lake. I don't
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: want to know what's in there. I don't like not
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: being able to see. I don't even like to go
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: in the ocean because I don't like to not I
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: don't want to. Do you want, yes, I want to
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: be in a pool. I want clear water. Anyway, she said.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: She she said this is going to sound weird, and
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: I was like, which she says weird things to me.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: I was like, you know, you can say weird things
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: to me. Okay, I visited Ted Bundy's house, I mean,
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: not houses. It is wrong with you anyway, She said,
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: what goes through my mind when I'm getting in a
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: lake and a body of water is what is the
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: body to water ratio? Meaning there's dead bodies in there.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: If it's a big enough lake, then the water ratio
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: is higher than the body count. However, if it's a
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: small body of water, she feels that there's probably too
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: many dead bodies in there to be swimming. So she said,
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: that's how I determine whether I'm going to get in.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: In some sort of how many murdered bodies have been
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: disposed of in the lake?
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: Yes, And she feels like if it's a really big lake,
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: then that that means there's more water than bodies. But
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: if it's a small lake, then that means that that's
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: a higher body count ratio to lake water.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: Kind of like at the end of a bath the
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: kid's bath there ratio of water to pee has shifted.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: pH bound Yes, yes, in one direction, and she will
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: not get into it if she feels that the body
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: the pH of the body body to water ratio is
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: too high. So I was like, you know, you can
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: come over here and say all sorts of weird stuff
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: to me. It ain't gonna FaZe me. Okay, you know
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: that's a great.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: Way kinds of weird stuff to you. And you asked
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: me what the fuck is wrong with you?
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: Okay, her weird stuff is normal.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: Your weird stuff is disturbing.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: Yes, anyways, like I had, yes, like we had talked
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: about that whiskey bait that's where Derek Toddlee had disposed
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: of a body as well.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean that's a big that's a big exit
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: there where they go and they you put boats in
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: the water there at that exit. So there's a lot
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: of there's a lot of goings on at the Whiskey
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: Bay exit, a lot of traffic.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: And because of that situation, they actually accredited this kill two.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: Is it credited or credited? Accredited?
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: Now accredited is like a college that gets accredited.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: Credited this kill to Derek initially because like, okay, well
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: he's disposed of someone there before. This has got to
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: be one of the people that he's.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: He must be returning thinking it's a safe place to
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: put people. Now, this assumption stalled any independent investigation into
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: any other suspects for her death. During his two thousand
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: and four interrogation, Sean Vincent Gillis was handed a map
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: of Louisiana and he was asked to point out his crimes,
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: the locations of his crimes before detectives told him where
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: Lilian had been found. He pointed directly to the exact
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: spot in the h Apeli Basin. Now, a forensic search
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: of his computer, somebody uh Digital Forensics went through his
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: computer with a fine tooth comb, and that later revealed
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: that he had saved files and media clippings, track in
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: Lilian's disappearance.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: Yes, he was obsessed with photos of his victims as
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: well as just them trying to figure out.
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: Who, Yeah, he was, he was basically tracking the news
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: stories to see if if they had any clue what
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: they were doing, that they were looking for him at all.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: Yes, so then just a same time later that year,
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: in October of two thousand, thirty eight year old Maryland
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: Neville's was killed. A motor spotted Maryland's body in a
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: roadside ditch outside of New Iberia. Did I say that
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: writes down?
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I is okay, Yes, just down the road from us,
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: all right, was was all right?
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: She had been strangled and subjected to also to some
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: necrophilias to.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: So he was kind of into the he was discussed.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: He liked all like he was. They said he was
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: just vile. He would, you know, rape, chop them up,
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: mess with the dead bodies, like brutally kill these women.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: I mean it was They said he was one of
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: the most vile ones that they've come across, which again
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: is crazy because he just isn't that well known now.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: Because the body was dumped outside the primary Baton Rouge
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: area where the all the agencies were.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: Their jurisdiction was, yeah, serial killer.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: Local parish detectives handled it as like an isolated murder,
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: not part of this broader serial killings in the area.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: No physical evidence connected anything that the murder to any
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: local residents or anything, so then it was just an unsolved,
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: one off murder in this parish because No Iberia, if
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: you're not familiar with the area, Baton Rouge, Iberia is
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: directly south of Lafayette, you would say, yeah, and so
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: it would be the drive from southwest of Baton Rouge.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the quickest way would be a drive to Lafayette
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: and then down in New Iberia.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a it's a distance because it's like what
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: forty thirty forty minutes from Lafayette to New Iberia and
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: then an hour, so you're like an hour half. But
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: it's the point is it's all the way down to
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: a whole different parish, whole different area. So they would
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: never attribute this to the Baton Rouge area killings and
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: things like that. But uh, Louisiana's uh sketchy place, if
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: you will, So to have like a random murder in
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: some place is not unheard of to this day. You
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: know that there's no I think.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: Helping people down in Jennings getting found right off I ten,
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: right off the major interstate.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a it's it can be a little sketchy
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: down look, there can be in some areas some people
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: just feeding people to alligators and things like that. Now,
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: investigators verified that it was Sean Vincent Gillis who committed
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: this murder. Through his confession, he detailed specific injuries suffered
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: by Maryland that were never released to the media, and
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: he mapped out the exact highway route he would have
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: taken from Baton Rouge down to New Iberia to dump
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: her body.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: On October tenth, two thousand and three, forty five year
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: old Johnny May Williams was murdered. University workers found Johnny
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: May's mutilated torso inside a drainage canal near LSU campus.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: Unlike previous years, Derek Todd Lee was already in custody
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: when this murder occurred, and this forced police to realize
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: a different killer was operating in the area. They were like,
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: what the fuck done? We got him in jail, What
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: the hell he like?
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: What is happening out here? What is in the water?
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: What are you people doing? Detectives recovered foreign hair and
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: tissue samples from the torso and uploaded the DNA profile
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: into the state database. Waiting on a match. Police learned
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: that Johnny May was a personal acquaintance of Sean Vincent Gillis.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: Following his arrest, the crime lab matched his DNA directly
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: to the hair and tissue evidence left on her remains.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so in two thousand and three, they finally have
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: you know, Derek todd Leeds in custody. They've got this
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: new and so now they're probably just waiting for they
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: don't know who it is yet at this point, and
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: they're waiting for him to kill again, which is really scary.
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of these times that when they're waiting
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: to catch a serial killer, they're just like, yeah, we're
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: gonna have to wait for him to kill again.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: Because we reached a we don't have enough evidence.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: We ain't got enough evidence to do anything. There's no
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: but nothing in codis we're at a dead end.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because, as we've seen with most of these, they
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: figured out he did it because he confessed to it,
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: not because they had anything linking to him. There's only
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: a few that they were able to actually do the
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: DNA link to him. Most of them were just him
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: telling them about it.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I did that shit.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: On February twenty six, two thousand and four, forty three
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: year old Donna Bennett Johnston was found murdered. A city
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: worker found her torso floating. It's a road called ben
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: Her Road, Stew says, that's what it's called. It is,
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: And there was a drainage canal there. She had been
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: choked with the nylon zip tie and her left arm
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: was severed. And like we were talking about, this final
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: crime scene provided the breakthrough that they needed for this
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: entire ten year investigation.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: Cars come down, yes.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: Now in the soil at the edge of the canal
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: where Donna's body was dropped, investigators found distinct tire tracks. Now,
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: forensic experts analyze the tread pattern and match it to
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: a specific brand of tires. A search of regional sales
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: records revealed that roughly one hundred people in the Baton
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: Rouge area had purchased that exact model of tire. Detectives
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: began checking vehicles and requesting DNA samples from every person
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: on that list. Tires tires. The tires got him In
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: the end.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: Did they know like in my cousin Benny. Yes, identical.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: Yes, it's the it was the tires. He must have
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: not seen that movie.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: On April twenty ninth, two thousand and four, Karen Police
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: went to one of the homes of the tire salespeoples
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: that they had on their list. That was a one
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: Sean Vincent Gillis. Oh, yes it was. He was very polite,
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: well behaved. He was like, yeah, I'll give you a
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: mousewhow because I'm guessing he didn't.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: Understand I probably didn't understand DNA at that.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: And he was like, my vehicles clean. I took it
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: down to the detail shop and nobody.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: He was very confident that he had cleaned.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: His vehicle up perfect serial killer and that he.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: Didn't think that that mousewall was going to do anything?
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: Like what did did he think they were just asking
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: him for fundies?
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: Check?
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: Now, the Louisiana State Police Crime Lab analyzed the sample
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: and confirmed the match to the DNA found on Donna
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: Catherine and Johnny May. At one point thirty in the morning,
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: tactical units swarmed the residents and they arrested Sean Vincent Gillis.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: Now upon entering his home. Theyan covered all of these
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: digital images on his computer and his camera equipment. Sean
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: Vincent Gills had thoroughly documented his crimes, keeping folders of
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: his victims, posed post mortems, do so dead bodies, forty
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: five digital photographs of Donna, and snapshops of the dismemberment.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: Now in I mean like he was just sick posing
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: dead bodies and taking yeah, and all.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: The dismemberments and things like that. Now, in July two
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: thousand and eight, Shaun stood try off for the first
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: degree murder of Donna. The jury found him guilty obviously.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: Now during the penalty phase, the jury deadlocked on the
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: death penalty, which is like.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: Why why would they? I mean, we got the we
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: got the death penalty in Louisiana for reason.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's the perfect guy to use this on anyway,
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: So they're deadlocked on the death penalty, which resulted in
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: an automatic sentence of life imprisonment. Now, to avoid further trials,
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: he went ahead and entered guilty please for the murders
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: of Joyce Catherine and Johnny May, which are the ones
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: that they had the DNA evidence on. He was sentenced
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: to multiple consecutive terms of life imprisonment without the possibility
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: of parole. Now to this day, he remains incarcerated at
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: the Louisiana State Penitentiary and in Gola.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: Go to the rodeo one day maybe, but.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: He's held in permanent administrative He's he's in segsto as
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: they call it, you know, away from Gin Pop he
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: and Jim Pop. He's in seg as they say on
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: locked up.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he would probably be gotten, like oh Doahmer was.
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: I'm guessing they put Dahmer and gin Pop so somebody
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: would get it.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: I think they did. I think because they let him
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: go over there on like some sort of like cleaning
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: duty or something, and then the guy like beat him
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: to death with a broomstick or something or on the handle.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: And the guard was like, I don't know, smoking a
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: cigarette on the corner. I don't know what happened.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So anyway, so that is our second serial killer.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: We did the serial killer cases like this because because
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: people ask us to cover serial killers and things that,
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: but I don't know how to do it in a
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: way that we normally tell the story, you know, where
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: we kind of lay it all out. So that's why
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: we've kind of been doing these ones where we just
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: go through their different individual crimes and the victims, you know,
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: and stuff like that. So I don't know if you
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: guys hate it or whatever, but that's.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: A lot more to go through.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you go more to go through. But I'm saying
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: that's why we're doing it this way instead of our
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: normal storytelling.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: You know, the baby hates it.
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: God, Yes, he's still awake. I went and fed him
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: and everything, and he's still awake anyway, So we're gonna
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: have to go tend to him while Stu probably looks
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: up his y'all need Jesus that he never looked up.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: So I'm gonna go help the baby. Oh, and I'll
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: be right back.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: What you want to know about y'all need Jesus.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: Oh, I was gonna add something real quick, tell me
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: the baby's the baby's back. Kid did not work the
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: I think he needs to poop. He's having some problems.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: Be there, buddy.
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: I was going to add about the Sean Vincent Gills,
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: not to make anybody feel sorry for him because he's
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: please total psycho, but apparently his just some of his upbringing.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: His dad was in and out of like mental institutions
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: his whole life. And apparently when he was three years old,
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: his dad tried to kill his mom and him and
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: his mom you know, left him and everything at that
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: and so then his mom raised him. And she always
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: thought she was like, you know, she's the one sitting
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: there with the Oh, he was a good boy, such
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: a good she thought he was so smart and everything
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: that apparently he just had like average you know intelligence.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: You know, it wasn't like he but he was built
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: up to make himself feel like he.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: Was smartest kid in the Louisiana.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: Which she might probably probably trying to compensate the fact
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: that he didn't have or his dad was in you know,
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: the looney bind. But anyway, so that's a little bit
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: about his upbringing. Anyways, go on, stew, would you like
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: to give us your yelled Jesus.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: I would comes to us from The New York Post
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: published June thirtieth, twenty twenty six, by Daniel Cody. Woman
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: claims that the cocaine that was found in her butt
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: after her arrest must have been from an intimate encounter.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: Oh okay, does she drink too much at a wedding?
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: She might've drank too much of the wedding. Did some
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: butt stuff stuff just ends up in there, And she's like,
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: I don't know how they got in there. Is that
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: Florida or not Florida.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: You're just pausing like you're trying to wrangle this baby.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: I don't know, uh, Florida.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: A Florida woman picked up an extra felony charge when
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: she wildly tried to smuggle nearly four grams of cocaine
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: into a county jail through her jail purse. Kara, ew
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: what that's what they call them. Brevard County Sheriff's Office
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: deputies arrested Reagan Cox, thirty on Saturday for resisting arrest
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: during a traffic stop. When she arrived at the Brevard
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: County Jail, staff noticed something abnormal with her lower region
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: or her jail perse area, if you will call it
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: the jail what they wrote in the story. I cannot
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: help it corrections. Deputies escorted Cox to a changing room,
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: where she attempted to shield her buttocks with her hands.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: According to authorities, when a staff removed her hand, a
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: baggie dropped to the floor containing three point eight grams
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: of cocaine. Kara, you really just can't make this stuff up.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: But b U T T you can sure try, as
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: this one puts the old these are not my pants
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: excuse to shame, The Sheriff's office wrote in a statement
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: on Facebook. Okay, they got some jokes. The Sheriff's office
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: got some social uh what you call them social media?
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: Got some gen z ers running the social media.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I do like the when the police.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: Departments, well, Wendy's is funny too. The police departments start
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: getting funny with their stuff because they come across some
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: ridiculous things that the most ridiculous things people do in
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: police departments come across them. So it's like, let's just
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: have fun.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: I like when they respond to their the criminals respond
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: to their Facebook post and be like, you ain't gonna
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: catch me, and it's like, well, we we got you.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: Do they do that?
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: Are you sure?
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: Yes? We have criminals responding to Facebook post all the time.
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, because they're stupid.
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: Well, they do show up to they have those things.
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: Like because cocaine, and they do.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: Those deadbeat Dad things too, where they tell they invite everybody.
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: Who get a past five free past you can.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: Win a car or something like that, and they all
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: show up and they arrest them all.
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: Yes. Now, Cox denied knowing about the cocaine and told
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: deputies that somebody must have placed it in there during
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: an intimate encounter. According to the statement, she received an
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: additional charge for bringing contraband into uh into a detention
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: facility and was released from custody the same day. Is
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: that it no? My strange is.
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: I think I have to We're done. We don't need
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: we don't need the ending. This isn't who one famous guy,
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: Al Green.
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: Or whatever might there might be a happy ending.
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: There's not a happy ending, Steward. This woman needs help. Okay. Anyways,
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: all right, well we got to get Stewart. We gotta
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: get going. Okay, she was released. What is there? There's
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: nothing else to add? What is there to add?
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: Well the Sheriff's office statement. Folks, If realizing, if not realizing,
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: that somebody left cocaine and your jail purse is not
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: a good enough reminder not to do drugs, then I
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: don't know what is. According to I.
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: Wouldn't call it consider the butt the jail purse. If anything,
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: it's the other one. Yes, I feel like there what.
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: If you ain't got one of those thes.
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: Then you only have a jail trunk. You don't have
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: a jail purse.
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: Why is it a trunk, because it's the junk.
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: In the trunk, really, I'm going with anyways, all right,
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: well that's our y'all need Jesus. We're gonna go try
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: to get this baby to sleep. We're supposed to record
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: the poop next, so we'll see how that goes. It
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: could be we're gonna get it done tonight. Okay, yes,
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: that's another thing for the.
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: There ain't enough alcohol in the house to get it
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: done tonight.
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: No one's drinking. Stew what are you talking about that.
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna need a drink to deal with you and
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: this baby.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: No, this baby's going to sleep anyways. That's the other
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: thing with the patron. I forgot to mention that you
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: will get, you will get. I'm gonna start promising two
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: a month shoot the poos. We're trying to do one
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: one a week, but sometimes it's hard. As you can see,
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: it's hard to get just the regular episode out. But
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: we do a shoot the poo where we just kind
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: of talk about all sorts of nonsense. Sometimes we cover
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: a true crime documentary, you know, all sorts.
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: Of Sometimes we'll just talk about a bunch of nonsense.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: Yes, we're probably gonna talk about how drunk I got
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: at a wedding.
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: Or and what what was put in her jail person?
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, shut up. All right, we gotta go.
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: I'm not even gonna ask you if you need anything else? Well,
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: what do I even say? Uh? Any? What do I
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: normally say? All right, that's it? By everyone say bye to.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: Don't you know it's bad to be SUPERSTI shots find
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: nothing else is working, and it's greatly hurting. Sick of
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: this worthy
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: I can