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Hollywood honcho Harvey Weinstein criminal sex charge? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: February two thousand four, Maura Murray empties her bank account,
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  Speaker 1: drives four hours from school, crashes her car, and vanishes.
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  Speaker 1: Joined the search as an investigative reporter, uncovers new evidence
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  Speaker 1: in terrogates new witnesses, traces down new leads in this
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  Speaker 1: riveting new investigative series, The Disappearance of Maura Murray Saturday's
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  Speaker 1: Sirius XM Triumph Channel one thirty two. You Know the Films,
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  Speaker 1: Shakespeare and Love, Goodwill, Hunting, Silver Linings, Playbook The Man
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  Speaker 1: Behind Them. Legendary Hollywood producer Harvey Weinstein after multiple sexual
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  Speaker 1: harassment allegations, movie mogul Harvey Weinstein has been forced out
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  Speaker 1: of his own company. His movies have won a total
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  Speaker 1: of seventy five oscars. Eight women, including actress Actually Judd,
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  Speaker 1: forward to accuse Weinstein of sexual misconduct. At the Times
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  Speaker 1: uncovered sexual harassment allegations that span almost three decades. The
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  Speaker 1: film executive announced plans to take a book leave of
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  Speaker 1: absence on the Famous Guys Very Uncomfortable, Right Now, Coming
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  Speaker 1: Now and one minute and if you want to leave
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  Speaker 1: when the guy comes. I'm used today? Are you're used
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  Speaker 1: to that? Will it never end? With Harvey Weinstein, the
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  Speaker 1: very very powerful Hollywood movie director and executive head of Miramax,
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  Speaker 1: head of the Weinstein Company, creating films such as The
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  Speaker 1: Crying Gang, Shakespeare and Love pulp Fiction. It goes on
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  Speaker 1: and on and on, sex, lies and video type. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: and another thing, why am I even bothering to list
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  Speaker 1: his movie credits? Because he could have another kind of
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  Speaker 1: credit pretty soon. It's called a rap shape. If these
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  Speaker 1: allegations are true, I'm Nancy Grace. This is crime stories,
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  Speaker 1: and I am so angry, upset, nause, just disappointed. As
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  Speaker 1: now twenty nine different women repeat to nine twenty nine
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  Speaker 1: claim that this Hollywood hit maker star maker, Harvey Weinstein
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  Speaker 1: sexually assaulted them or harassed them. Let me tell you something,
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  Speaker 1: Troice Slaton, veteran defense attorney, with me right now. You
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  Speaker 1: show up without your clothes on and say will you
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  Speaker 1: take a share with me? Uh? Number one, you're gonna
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  Speaker 1: hold out a hand and pull back a nub, and
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  Speaker 1: number two you're going to jail. But before I start
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  Speaker 1: with you, Slayton, I also Welcome to Crime Stories, Alexis
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  Speaker 1: Terres chuck twenty nine? Did I get that number wrong?
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  Speaker 1: And why isn't he And if these allegations are true,
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  Speaker 1: you say twenty nine, and I'm not trying to discount
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  Speaker 1: what you said, but it just went up to thirty.
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  Speaker 1: A brand new actress has just come out and said
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  Speaker 1: that she was a victim of Harvey Weinstein's Also, you know,
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  Speaker 1: by the time we're through with this hour, there will
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  Speaker 1: probably be another one because Gloria already is in on
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  Speaker 1: it now. And let me tell you something, that's who
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  Speaker 1: You don't want to have a fender bender width. Can
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  Speaker 1: you imagine a hit running to somebody and outcomes Gloria already.
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  Speaker 1: I would hide under the floor, Matt if I was
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  Speaker 1: in that car. Gloria already is on it now. But
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  Speaker 1: before I go off on Gloria already, I want to
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  Speaker 1: get so now the numbers thirty, all right? Tell these
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  Speaker 1: accusations start dating back to nineteen eighty four up until
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  Speaker 1: around two two thousand fifteen, two thousand sixteen. That is
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  Speaker 1: eighty four to nine to oh four oh four to fourteen.
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  Speaker 1: That's over thirty years of sex assault, slash harassment, allegations.
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  Speaker 1: Alexis Torres, help me understand. It's not even just sex harassment,
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  Speaker 1: as she said, it's rape. Multiple women have accused Harvey
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  Speaker 1: mind Scene of raping him. They said they were young,
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  Speaker 1: they wanted parts in Hollywood, and they were led to
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  Speaker 1: believe that things would be safe with him because there
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  Speaker 1: were other women that initially were around them. When they
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  Speaker 1: would take meetings with this very powerful Hollywood producer, his
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  Speaker 1: staff or assistance. There would be females and they would
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  Speaker 1: all be together in a meeting that was strictly about
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  Speaker 1: a career. Then miraculously these assistants would disappear. Harvey would
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  Speaker 1: trick these women up into his hotel room, and that's
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  Speaker 1: when he would pounce and attack them. Hold on right there,
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  Speaker 1: Alexis Torres, Chuck, what you're describing is a repeated, according
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  Speaker 1: to these ladies, a repeated scenario, and what we call
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  Speaker 1: that under the law. Troy Slayton, veteran trial lawyer and
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  Speaker 1: no stranger to the entertainment industry, Troy, that's what we
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  Speaker 1: called a similar transact. And that's what it's called when
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  Speaker 1: someone repeats the same behavior over and over and over,
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  Speaker 1: so it becomes like a fingerprint. A common emo, modus operandi,
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  Speaker 1: method of operation to show course of conduct, uh, frame
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  Speaker 1: of mind scheme. That's what a similar transaction is. Now
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  Speaker 1: a lot of these cases, as I mentioned day back
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  Speaker 1: to night four, and the statute some jurisdictions has run. However,
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  Speaker 1: those cases, the older cases, can be brought in if
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  Speaker 1: this goes to trial to bolster a new case where
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  Speaker 1: the statute has not run. Troyce Layton, that's true, and
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  Speaker 1: what would otherwise be hearsay evidence or evidence of prior
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  Speaker 1: bad acts could be brought in. But Nancy, what a
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  Speaker 1: lot of what alexis is describing? It may be untoward,
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  Speaker 1: it may sound ikey, but if if too uh, people
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  Speaker 1: of age over eighteen years old decide that they want
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  Speaker 1: to engage in sexual relations with each other, even if
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  Speaker 1: there was oh hey maybe I can you know, get
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  Speaker 1: you in front of some people or something like that,
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  Speaker 1: that is not necessarily a crime. None of these women have.
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  Speaker 1: Can I ask you something, Troy Slaighton, what part of
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  Speaker 1: Harvey Weinstein allegedly coming out of the bathroom button naked
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  Speaker 1: with an erection, go and give me a massage and
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  Speaker 1: the woman runs out the door allegedly, what part of
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  Speaker 1: that is consensual other than him. Well, we would depend
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  Speaker 1: on the circumstances. Why a woman is going unaccompanied to
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  Speaker 1: a man's hotel room. Uh, I've done it many times,
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  Speaker 1: many many and what I have gone to a man's
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  Speaker 1: hotel room to h Let's see, when I was covering
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  Speaker 1: the Scott Peterson trial and I was away from home
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  Speaker 1: for how long three six months? I got to tons
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  Speaker 1: of colleagues hotel room and watch TV, would order rooms service.
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  Speaker 1: When I was on the road with my h Len show,
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  Speaker 1: my executive producer Dane and I we kicked back and
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  Speaker 1: order stuff off room service and and watch TV until
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  Speaker 1: you know, I could go to sleep after a long
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  Speaker 1: day reporting and in court. We did it all the time.
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  Speaker 1: I never thought anything about it. I certainly didn't expect
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  Speaker 1: him to emerge from the bathroom buck naked with an
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  Speaker 1: erection and ask for a massage. No, I didn't see
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  Speaker 1: that coming. You're right, Well, look, if somebody is going
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  Speaker 1: to expose themselves and it was that's a crime. That's
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  Speaker 1: a crime. I agree that would be a crime. But
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  Speaker 1: if there's some sort of sexual relationship and it was
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  Speaker 1: just on, hey, you know, um, I might let me
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  Speaker 1: introduce you to this person later on, that is not
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  Speaker 1: necessarily a crime. I don't know what you're saying. These women,
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  Speaker 1: according to accounts, if they are true, many of them
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  Speaker 1: were called Alexis. Let me come to you on this
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  Speaker 1: before we go to our shrink. Joining me and boy,
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  Speaker 1: do we need a shrink today? Dr Tiffany Sanders is
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  Speaker 1: with us, a psychiatrist out off Chicago, also with me,
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  Speaker 1: Alexis to rest Chuck from Radar online dot Com. The Duke,
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  Speaker 1: Alan Duke joining me out of l A Jackie here
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  Speaker 1: in the studio with me and Troy Slayton, veteran trial
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  Speaker 1: lawyer Alexis. Here's the deal. Okay, a woman Weinstein allegedly
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  Speaker 1: would meet a woman. She could be an assistant, she
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  Speaker 1: could be a secretary, she could be a model, she
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  Speaker 1: could be an actress. And then suddenly this person, this
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  Speaker 1: woman gets a call from a female with the Weinstein
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  Speaker 1: Company or Merrimax, and they set up a meeting to
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  Speaker 1: discuss her future roles. Okay, she comes to the meeting,
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  Speaker 1: there are women sitting around. All of a sudden, at
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  Speaker 1: one by one they go to take a call or
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  Speaker 1: they go to a meet, and all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 1: the victim, the alleged victim is alone with Weinstein, and
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  Speaker 1: that's when the bathrobe appears. Right, Zack, Right, It's a pattern.
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  Speaker 1: It's the exact same set up for every alleged assault
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  Speaker 1: that he did. He would lure these women into being
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  Speaker 1: comfortable by having other women there because you know what,
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  Speaker 1: all of these women said, they never expected it from Harvey,
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  Speaker 1: because he was somebody who Gwyneth Paltrow a list star.
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  Speaker 1: She won an oscar after her encounter. She said, I
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  Speaker 1: thought of him as uncle Harvey, and she had a
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  Speaker 1: mother and a father in the industry. She's basically Hollywood royalty.
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  Speaker 1: With anybody, you would think that Harvey wouldn't try to
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  Speaker 1: take advantage of be Gwyneth Paltrow. And you know what
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  Speaker 1: he did. He manipulated these women into feeling safe and
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  Speaker 1: then pounced on them. It's disgusting how many women he
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  Speaker 1: did this too. Well, if you don't believe it, Troy Slayton,
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  Speaker 1: take a listen to this. One actress actually raced to
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  Speaker 1: the nyp D New York Police Department after she claims
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  Speaker 1: Harvey Weinstein sexually harassed her. She goes to police, she
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  Speaker 1: tells them what he did, reaching his hand up her
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  Speaker 1: skirt trying to par her, and they wire her. She
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  Speaker 1: wears a wire and sees wine stain again and reportedly,
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  Speaker 1: if this secret tape is to be believed, listen, I'm
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  Speaker 1: telling you right now, what do we have to do here?
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  Speaker 1: Think I'm gonna take a shower. You sit there and
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  Speaker 1: have a drink. Don't drink, and I stay on the bar.
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  Speaker 1: You must have you now, Please, I'm not doing anything
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  Speaker 1: like embarrassing. I'm sorry. I think yesterday was a kind
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  Speaker 1: of aggressive for I need to know a person, don't
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  Speaker 1: you think. Please? I swear I won't just sit with me.
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  Speaker 1: Don't embarrass me in the hotel here all the time?
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  Speaker 1: Can you listen to me? I want to go downstairs.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not going to do You'll never see me again
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  Speaker 1: at if you if you embarrassed me in this lit
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  Speaker 1: I'm not embarrassing you. It's just that I don't I
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  Speaker 1: don't feel portable. I mean, you don't have a thing
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  Speaker 1: with me. Please, I'm not going to do anything. I
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  Speaker 1: swear my children please come in on everything. I'm a
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  Speaker 1: famous guying very incomfortables coming now and one minute and
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  Speaker 1: if you want to leave, when the guy comes with
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  Speaker 1: my touch, my brace please, I'm sorry. Just come on,
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  Speaker 1: I'm used to that. You're used to that. No, but
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  Speaker 1: I'm not used to that again. Please, No, I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to now a baron call me again. I'm sorry
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  Speaker 1: right anything I know, but yes, I will never do
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  Speaker 1: another thing to you. Five minutes. Don't win your friendship
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  Speaker 1: with me for five minutes? Is it? I know, but
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  Speaker 1: it's kind of like it's so much for you. Please,
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  Speaker 1: you're making a big scene here, but I want to leaven.
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  Speaker 1: Let me go out to psychologist from Chicago, Dr Tiffany Sanders.
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  Speaker 1: Dr Sanders, what do you make of that type recording
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  Speaker 1: that we've just listened to Harvey Weinstein. Still she's saying, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: I don't want this. I don't want to go in there.
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  Speaker 1: You touched my breasts yesterday. I didn't like that. And
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  Speaker 1: he's trying to he says, he's not trying to say.
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  Speaker 1: He says, don't waste your whole career over five minutes
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  Speaker 1: with me in this room. You know, I was concerned
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  Speaker 1: with his pressured tone, like he was like trying to
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  Speaker 1: apologize and trying to make it amends of it. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, you know that's how I that's how I
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  Speaker 1: always acted, and you know, trying to beg her in
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  Speaker 1: core soor to come into the bathroom where it was
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  Speaker 1: really very uh sad to listen, because when you hear
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  Speaker 1: that sort of pressure speech, that's often an indicator as
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  Speaker 1: someone struggles with the mental health issue. Uh can't diagnose
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  Speaker 1: him and won't diagnose him, but that's really a hallmark sign.
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  Speaker 1: And he's leaving allegedly to go to Europe for sex
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  Speaker 1: addiction treatment and when you think about it, place he's
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  Speaker 1: probably hold up right now at the Rits in Paris
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  Speaker 1: sexual addiction treatment meetment. Come on, I mean to me,
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  Speaker 1: this is just to weigh out Troy Slight. There is
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  Speaker 1: nothing mentally wrong with him. He, if these accounts are true,
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  Speaker 1: is just a bully that has taken advantage of one
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  Speaker 1: woman after the next. And three women according to a
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  Speaker 1: report by Ronan Pharaoh says that three women say they
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  Speaker 1: were raped by Harvey wine Stein. Rape are ape. According
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  Speaker 1: to these women, rape is wrong. Nancy, I can't defend rape,
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  Speaker 1: but I do have to agree with Sears Fans Jr.
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  Speaker 1: The d A in New York, who says that based
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  Speaker 1: on that recording, there is no prosecution, There is no evidence,
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  Speaker 1: and the d A is rejecting that case. Nancy, it's
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  Speaker 1: not just based on that recording, it's based on her
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  Speaker 1: testimony as to what happened then. I before there was
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  Speaker 1: I mean Troy Slayton. If I said to you, Troy, Troy,
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  Speaker 1: I don't want you on the I don't want you
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  Speaker 1: on my serious show because you remember that time you
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  Speaker 1: grab my breast, you wouldn't go don't worry about it.
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  Speaker 1: You'd say, what that didn't happen. That never happened. He
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  Speaker 1: never said that, Troy, he never said that. It corroborates
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  Speaker 1: what she says happened the night before. That is a crime.
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  Speaker 1: If it's true, that's a crime. And she was so
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  Speaker 1: victimized and so upset with it that she's back up
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  Speaker 1: in his hotel room the next day. Uh with wearing
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  Speaker 1: a police wire. She's wearing a police wire. That's why
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  Speaker 1: she's back. Alexis explained what happened with this woman. So
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  Speaker 1: she meets Harvey Weinstein, he and she claims you don't.
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  Speaker 1: He of course promises her a job in the industry.
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  Speaker 1: He can put her in movies, make her famous. She
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  Speaker 1: goes to his hotel room, he attacks her, She is
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  Speaker 1: so upset by this. She is basically, as far as
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  Speaker 1: we know, as far as everybody has said so far,
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  Speaker 1: she is the first person to go to the police,
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  Speaker 1: and she does it promptly. The police work with her.
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  Speaker 1: They set her up with a wire so that she
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  Speaker 1: can record Harvey admitting that he groped her, that he
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  Speaker 1: grabbed her against her wishes. So she goes back to
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  Speaker 1: meet with him. She's wearing the wire. She gets him
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  Speaker 1: on tape. It is the most chilling tape. It's terrifying
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  Speaker 1: to hear this band admit what he's done to her.
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  Speaker 1: And she turns it over to the cops. Within one week,
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  Speaker 1: they decide to drop the case. The district attorney down.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my, that was an extensive investigation. Hold on alexis
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  Speaker 1: What about Rose meg Allen? What does she say happen
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  Speaker 1: to her? Rose McCallen claims that she was raped by
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  Speaker 1: Harvey Weinstein. She claimed it happened in his hotel room.
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  Speaker 1: She has never actually said his name. She reportedly signed
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  Speaker 1: a deal with him. He gave her one hundred thousand
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  Speaker 1: dollars after she complained about the assault. She says she
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  Speaker 1: donated that money to a rape center to help other victims,
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  Speaker 1: but she has been aggressive in her last couple of
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  Speaker 1: weeks of claiming talking about her rape, and she says
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  Speaker 1: that she says, imagine this big man, this huge man,
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  Speaker 1: he's so imposing, attacking you. She says, in that one second,
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  Speaker 1: your life is not yours. The path that you had
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  Speaker 1: chosen for your life is completely taken away from you.
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  Speaker 1: She says she was attacked by him, and then she
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  Speaker 1: was forced to go to a press conference with him
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  Speaker 1: because he was doing her movie. She said Ben Affleck
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  Speaker 1: was there and that then knew what had happened to her.
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  Speaker 1: All of these people were, she claims, were complicit in
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  Speaker 1: the cover up for all of these years. And she
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  Speaker 1: says that she had no recourse, she could do nothing
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  Speaker 1: about it, and in fact, she made a movie with
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  Speaker 1: her husband. Years later, her husband sold that movie to
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  Speaker 1: Harvey Weinstein's company. She said, basically she felt revictimized all
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  Speaker 1: over again. You know, I've dealt with so many rape victims,
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  Speaker 1: and they're not Angelina Jolie, they're not Ande Paltrow, they're
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  Speaker 1: not famous like Rose McGowan. But they were mistreated, they
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  Speaker 1: were victimized. Dr Tiffany Sanders with me. Psychologists out of Chicago.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you live through a rape physically, but you're
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  Speaker 1: never the same, doctor Nancy. These individuals are not the same.
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  Speaker 1: They're they're dealing with the trauma. They replayed the scene
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  Speaker 1: over and over again, thinking what could I have done
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  Speaker 1: to have gotten away from it? And it's not their fault.
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  Speaker 1: I mean that person at Harvey Weinstein. He preyed upon
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  Speaker 1: these young ladies. And they were young, they were impressionable.
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  Speaker 1: They thought that they were at fault for some reason.
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  Speaker 1: Some of the women have said. So for these women,
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  Speaker 1: the reminder, they feel dirty, they feel soiled, and he
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  Speaker 1: did it repeatedly. He prayed on these young impressional girls,
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  Speaker 1: impressionable girls around twenty two to twenty five years of age.
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  Speaker 1: And and even if you're you know, famous, like one
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  Speaker 1: of Paltrow, it didn't matter. He had It's almost like
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  Speaker 1: he was. It was sick me. It's almost like he
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  Speaker 1: really went after these girls. And it's just unfathomable, unfathomable.
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  Speaker 1: But I'll tell you why I believe them now these
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  Speaker 1: if these allegations are true, this is why I believe them.
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  Speaker 1: Alexa Stress, Chuck number one. They many of them, almost
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  Speaker 1: all of them, made an immediate, as we say in
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  Speaker 1: the law outcry. That means they told somebody at the time,
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  Speaker 1: whether it was their parents, their boyfriend, their roommates, they
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  Speaker 1: told somebody at the time what happened. That means now,
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  Speaker 1: all these years later, they're telling the same story. It's
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  Speaker 1: very likely true. Number Two, money settlements. Weinstein allegedly has
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  Speaker 1: paid out hundreds of thousands of dollars to make these
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  Speaker 1: people be quiet, make these women go away. Somebody accused
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  Speaker 1: me of rape, I would certainly not pay out a settlement.
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  Speaker 1: I would fight it in collect say this is not true.
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  Speaker 1: Number two, The similar the similar nature of all the claims.
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  Speaker 1: These women are separated in time and space. How do
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  Speaker 1: they know what one is going to say, but yet
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  Speaker 1: all the facts are the same. It shows his modus operendi,
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  Speaker 1: modus operandi, the way he makes these attacks happen, allegedly,
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  Speaker 1: and also his enablers, the people that worked with him,
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  Speaker 1: they knew what was going on. Several of them allegedly
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  Speaker 1: say it made them sick to have to facilitate what
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  Speaker 1: he was doing to young women. This goes back allegedly
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  Speaker 1: to nineteen eighty four. Before I tell you the rest
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  Speaker 1: of the allegations against Harvey Weinstein, the Hollywood big that
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  Speaker 1: is now accused of multiple acts of sexual predator, including
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  Speaker 1: three allegations that he has raped to people, and we're
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  Speaker 1: Lauren Savon has to say about Weinstein. We got downstairs.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: There's like two guys peeping up in a kitchen. He
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: shooes them away, He tells them to go um, and
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: he says, let me walk you through. And we walked
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: through this kitchen into um like a vestibule where they
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: were like bathrooms and a hallway, and the door out
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: to this restaurant was locked. It was closed, and that's
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: where he cornered me in this vestibule and um leaned
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: in and tried to kiss me, which I immediately rebuffed
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: and said, whoa, whoa, whoa. I had no idea that
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: that's what this was. I'm sorry. You know, I have
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: a very serious boyfriend and I'm not interested, and I
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: thought it would end there, but that's when he blocked
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: the entrance or exit for me and said, well, then
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: just stand there and be quiet. And that's when I realized, oh,
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: did you know what was about to happen? No idea,
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: no idea. I was completely shocked, and yet, what is
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: going to happen? Like stand up and stand there and
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: be quiet. I had no idea what was going to happen,
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: and it it happened very quickly, and he immediately um
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: exposed himself and you know, began pleasuring himself. And I
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: just stood there, dumbfounded. What are you thinking in this moment?
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: I was so shocked. I could not believe what I
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: was witnessing. Could not believe what I was witnessing. It
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: was disgusting and kind of pathetic really to stand there
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: and look at this man, you know, but more than
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: the disgusting act itself, which of course was gross, um,
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: the the demeaning part of it all that that just,
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: you know, twenty minutes earlier, he was having this great
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: conversation with me, and I felt so great and flattered,
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: A buy it and then stand there and be quiet
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: just a few minutes later just negated any any warm
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: feelings I had, and I realized, oh, that's what this
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: was all about. When he was done, you say he finished?
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: When he was done? Were their words exchanged? He finished,
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: and I said, can I go? Now? I was pretty
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: annoyed at that point that he had and what he
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: said blocked my way and he said, yes, let's go,
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: let's both go. Did you think it all in the
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: moment about getting out of there, pushing past him while
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: it was happening. The truth is, um, yes, I mean,
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: if I think back, I could have pushed past him.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's a very he's a large man, and
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: so he was blocking the entrance. But I mean, I
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: think if my life was threatened, I absolutely would have
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: been able to fight my way out. But the shock
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: of what I was watching just kind of makes you frozen.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: How long did it last? It was? I remember being
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: relatively quickly. Um, I don't remember it going on that long.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: I was surprised, you know, I was like thinking that
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: I should go. I don't, you know, I don't know
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: what to do. Back to Alexis tres Chuck with Radar
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: Online dot Com, you know, alexis one woman. Lauren O'Connor
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: sends a scathing email to executives and colleagues within Mirraormax
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: and the Weinstein Company, outlining sexual harassment and a toxic
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: work situation. One alleged victim rights a screenplay all Right
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: about Weinstein allegedly attacking her sexually. An the woman goes
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: to nyp D and agrees to wear a wire to
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: catch Harvey Weinstein. What more does it take, Alexis, do
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: I have to take out an ad on Third Avenue?
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: Harvey Weinstein is a sex predator? I mean, if these
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: women are telling the truth, what else did it that
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: has to be done to get a prosecution? This district
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: attorney spent approximately zero time researching this case. They investigigated
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: it quote unquote investigated for one week, and they said
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: that the evidence just wasn't there to Convictorvy Weinstein. Meanwhile,
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: the Special Victims Unit, not just the TV show, the
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: real Special Victims Unit said everything that they did was
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: so by the book. They felt like they had rock
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: solid evidence. They handed it over to the d A.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: They did everything they could. This is the cops did
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: everything right. This victim, alleged victim, if you will, did
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: everything right. In the district attorney still ignored it and
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: let Harvey Weinstein go. Harvey Weinstein has and arguably the
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: most powerful man in Hollywood for the last thirty years.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: He has fingers in every business that there is. He
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: has friends in the media, he has friends in Hollywood,
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: and he managed to get these stories squashed for decades
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: about him, and it looks like he even managed to
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: get the d A to roll over and not prosecute him.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: The other day, stage actor Nathan Lane outlined an incident
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: that he had with Harvey Wine, saying not of a
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: sexual nature, but a disturbing incident. He basically said, Lane,
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: who I have loved ever since bird Cage, Okay, I'll
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: never forget. Laugh until I cried at that. He said this,
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: I don't have a film career. I can say the truth.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: And you know what, I'm with you, Nathan Lane. I
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: don't have a film career, so I can say the
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: truth as I see it. And the truth is, if
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: these women are telling the truth, then there needs to
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: be a criminal prosecution. And let me ask you this choice.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: Light and you're the veteran trial lawyer, defense attorney out
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: in l A. Troy. We've got one woman from christ Church,
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: New Zealand. You've got another woman and several women from Europe.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: You've got women from l A, You've got women from
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: New York. How do they all get together and then
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: collude with Gwyneth Paltrow and Angelina Julie and Rose McGowan.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: How they all get together and come with the same
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: m Oh, Troy, isn't that quite the coinkie think? Well,
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: it's interesting, Nancy, that you're saying that all of these
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: incidents date back to the mid eighties and here it
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: is in seventeen and we're just hearing about it now,
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: and so you know, a lot of people might be
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: coming out of the woodwork hearing what others are saying
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: and trying to get in on any potential settlements. In fact,
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: Lauria Alread, his is asking trying to shame uh Harvey
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: Weinstein into into waving the statute of limitations that if
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: these stories are true, he should be a shame. You're
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: trying to shame him. I think it's not so much,
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: Gloria that it should make him a shame, but the
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: three counts of alleged ray should be a little embarrassing.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: And what is he talking about Gloria already allegedly shaming,
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: which I disagree with. Laton Alexis toss Chuck Well. Gloria Alread,
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: during her press conference called on Harvey Wine, said, Harvey, Look,
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: there are so many cases out there, women that have
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: come forward with their names. Women that have not revealed
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: their names, but they've reached out to lawyer. She said,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: they are going to be so many cases against you.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: I am calling on you to do one of two things.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: Enter into confidential mediation with these women, or enter into
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: arbitration where you would go in front of a judge,
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: you would present your side, these women would present their side,
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: and then a judge would decide what happened. She said.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: She was challenging him basically to do the right thing.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: She says, if you're vindicated, then you're vindicate it. If
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: you're saying that you didn't do any of this, then
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: an impartial judge will decide if you are guilty of it,
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: then you need to take responsibility and basically pay up, because,
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: as she said, the statute of limitations has passed on
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: so many of these cases in so many states, and
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: so she wants Harvey Weinstein to step up and do
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: the right thing. You know, it's it's bigger than that,
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: I believe Troy Slaton, because if these accounts are true,
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: than the Weinstein Company and Mirrimax are on the hook
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: because they knew what was going on and even facilitated it.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: Come on. As soon as these allegations went public, four
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: of the eight all male board members left the Weinstein company. Coincidence. Now,
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: if this is true, Nancy, then they better hope that
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: their business liability insurance is really the premiums have been
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: paid because they are not kidding for a lot of money.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, just go with me, Troy, and I know
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: you're defending Weinstein, and all of these at this juncture
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: are allegations that have not been proven in a court
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: of law. It's hard not to believe it with now
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: thirty women claiming basically the same scenario. And I mean,
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: is what is Gwyneth Paltrow says the same thing. She
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: tells The New York Times that Weinstein touched her inappropriately
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: and suggested having joint massages in the bedroom before she
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: started shooting Emma she had. She gave an outcry, as
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: we call it in the law to her then boyfriend
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: Brad Pitt, and he confronted Weinstein. I mean, if he
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: will allegedly confirmed he confirmed through his reps that he
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: did confront Harvey Weinstein. Dr Tiffany Sanders joining me out
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: of Chicago. If he would dare to allegedly do that
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: to a star like Gwyneth Paltrow, What do you think
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: he'll do? Just some receptionists answering the phone attempt from
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: an agency, What's gonna happen to her? Absolutely his he
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: has his abuse of the power of powers is problematic, Nancy.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: And he has no shame, no guilt, no remorse. And
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: he repeatedly does these actions over and over and over again.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: He's not thinking of any consequences. How is emotionally impacting
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: his victims. He moves on to the next prey, makes
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: the next big movie, and then goes on about life.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: Mary's a beautiful woman, makes millions of dollars with no
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: thought of any repercussions. And I'm very happy to see
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: that this is finally coming from light because these victims
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: really need to have their voices heard and someone advocate
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: for them. Let me ask you something, Troit. I'm gonna
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: take off my prosecution and crime victim hat, and you
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: take off your defense attorney hat, and let's say analysis
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: for real, what's the likelihood that any criminal prosecution is
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: going to have? You know, there are jurisdictions where there
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: is no statute of limitations on ripe. New York City
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: is one of those, and the law recently changed in
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: California to eliminate the statue of limitations for rape. And
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: so the short answer is, I don't know. I don't
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: know what evidence would be admissible. Of course, the habit
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: and routine evidence of the prior bad acts could be
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: brought in. Uh. He's certainly not clear of criminal legal jeopardy.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: But as far as him waving his rights, uh, with
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: regard to the statue of limitations, I don't see that happening.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: Regardless of what Gloria already is saying. You know, alexis
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: when I read some of these accounts. Oh hey, speaking
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: of Gloria already, take a listen to what Gloria tells us.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: A number of accusers have contacted me about their allegations,
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: but I've had to inform them that the statute of limitation,
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: that arbitrary time period set by law has expired and
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: is therefore too late for them to assert a legal claim.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: Mr Weinstein could, however, decide that he would like to
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: resolve these allegations and wave and agree not to assert
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: the statute of limitations. That is exactly what we believe
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: that he should do. Mr Weinstein may believe that some
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: of these claims are false, or he may believe that
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: some are true. He may believe that he has not
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: had his day in court on these allegations, and that
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: he has not been treated fairly. Many women who allege
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: that they are his victims feel the same way. I
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: believe that there is a way to provide justice for
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: these alleged victims and for Mr Weinstein. I am inviting
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: him to agree to engage in an arbitration of these claims.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: With these alleged victims and with an agreed upon retired judge.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: The women could present their claims of sexual harassment, and
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: Mr Weinstein can present his defense. If the judge finds
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: in favor of the victims, the judge could award damages
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: according to proof at trial. If Mr Weinstein prevails, he
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: would be able to announce the result to the public.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: In the alternative, he could also agree to a confidential mediation.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: This is a process to resolve these claims. This proposal
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: is similar to what I suggested to Bill Cosby. He
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: was not wise enough, however, to accept my invitation to
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: resolve the allegations against him. Will Mr Weinstein accept the
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: offer of a process that is fair to him and
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: will help to provide a system of justice to his accusers.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: There is an actress that says she was called to
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: a late night meeting with Weinstein in two thousand eight
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: and many places assests within the statute. He led Tolie
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: emerged and guess what a bathrob and told her he
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: would green light her and maybe script if she watched him.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: Let's see, how should I say this on a public station?
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: Um pleasure himself? Sheilla aft the mating take a listen
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: to it. Louise sett Guiss has to say. I first
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: met Harvey Weinstein at the Cannes Film Festival. I next
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: saw him at the Sundance Film Festival in two thousand eight.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: He invited me to his premiere of Where in the
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: World as Osama bin Laden. After the premiere, he asked
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: me about my music company and the script that I
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: had written and was pitching at the festival. We agreed
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: to meet at the hotel restaurant we were where we
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: both were staying. When we arrived, we were asked to
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: leave shortly after at the restaurant as they were closing.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: Harvey then offered to reconvene the meeting in his office,
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: which was adjacent to his hotel room. M Obviously, I
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: was hesitant. I had heard some stories previously about Harvey's
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: behavior with women. So there was a hotel security camera
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: right above us, and I said to him, I will
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: take this meeting with you if you will shake my
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: hand that you will not touch me. And he shook
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: my hand and kind of laughed it off. We went
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: to his office and we had a great conversation about
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: his current film and the film that I was kitching.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: He seemed genuinely interested and I was excited. After about
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: thirty minutes, he asked to excuse himself and go to
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: the bathroom. He returned in nothing but a robe with
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: the front open, and he was buck naked. He told
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: me to keep talking about my film and that he
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: was going to hop into his hot tub that was
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: adjacent to the room, just steps away. When I finished
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: my pitch, I was obviously nervous and just kept asking
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: me to watch him masturbate. I told him I was leaving.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: He quickly got it out of the tub and grabbed
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: my forearm as I was trying to grab my purse,
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: and he led me to his bathroom, pleading that I
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: just watched him masturbate. My heart was racing and I
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: was very scared. I pulled my arm away finally and
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: headed to the door. He started following me and telling
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: me that he could introduce me to Bob Wine scene
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: and that I could get a three picture deal and
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: that he would green light my script. But I had
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: to watch him masturbate. I was on the very verge
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: of tears, but I pulled it together and quickly exited.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: I told my sister, and I told a good friend
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: of mine immediately after, and over the years when people
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: asked me why I got out of the movie industry,
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: I would tell them this story. Even though my parents
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: raised me to be a strong and independent woman, I
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: never ever, ever thought that I would have any chance
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: to stand up for myself against Harvey Weinstein. I knew
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: if I said anything that he would have a ton
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: of lawyers on my on my back, and no one
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: would trust me over him. I know I'm not special.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: I know that this has happened to many women, and
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: it's the fear and pain of sexual harassment that is
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: released on one's mind, body, and soul that I'm trying
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: to stop. Sexual harassment has become commonplace in the entertainment industry.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: And to be fair, most women that I now have
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: a story about being sexually harassed or abused in this business.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: I am only now feeling confident enough to come forward. Okay,
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: I got another one, and it's not jess Rose McGowan
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: and Gwyneth Paltrow. Angelina Jolie, who is now known around
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: the world for her good works and humanitarian positions. Jolie
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: told The Times she had to turn down advanced sex
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: advances from Harvey Weinstein, and that she chose then to
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: never work with him again. She said she warned other
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: women about Weinstein. Now she had the luxury of not
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: having to work with him, But a lot of women
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: across this country don't have the luxury. If they want
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: to put food on the table, they have to put
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: up with this kind of crap, this kind of criminal
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: activity allegedly. I'm thankful that Jolie, after all she has
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: lived through in her life. Yeah, I know she's beautiful.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: I know she's got this beautiful family and all this money.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: She's lived through a lot. Okay, I'm glad you did
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: had the choice not to have to work with him.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: A lot of women don't have that choice. Look around,
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: Look around, Think of the people you know in your life. Statistically,
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: one in four, some studies say, one in five women
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: have been sexually attacked, have been sexually harassed, have been
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: sexually assaulted. You know them. They may have never told you,
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: You may not know who they are, but you're around
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: them every day. And I pray to God my daughter
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: and son never have to endure the life long shame
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: and revulsion and sometimes self loathing that sex victims have
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: to live with the rest of their lives. We're waiting
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: on justice, and we're waiting to find out if these
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  Speaker 1: allegations are true. Okay, grab some popcorn, getting your favorite spot,
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  Speaker 1: feed the cat and the dog, and join me Sunday
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  Speaker 1: Night on Hallmark Movies and Mysteries for the third installment
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  Speaker 1: of Halley Dean Murder Mystery. It's called Dating is Murder
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  Speaker 1: and Joining me right Now. Special guest co executive producer
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  Speaker 1: of the movie Josh Sabera, also best selling author Josh.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for being with us, Thank you for having me. Hey,
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  Speaker 1: Alan the Deep, joining me out of l a roll.
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  Speaker 1: Some sound from this Sunday Night's movie. Give me a
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  Speaker 1: sneak peek still here. I had to be the one
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  Speaker 1: to break you to you. But you're honey, bun just
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  Speaker 1: made a run for it. I know I thinks I'm
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  Speaker 1: waiting for someone else, waiting for someone else. Wow, you
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  Speaker 1: sure don't waste any time, you know. I've heard about
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  Speaker 1: women like you. You get a guy, but you're always
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: on the lookout for the better deal. Right, No, it's
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  Speaker 1: it's not what it looks like. I'm sure it's not.
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  Speaker 1: You know what. You don't have to explain to me, honey,
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  Speaker 1: I've heard it all. Well, you must have already met
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  Speaker 1: your prince. What Mr Wright, you know you're signor Well?
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: Speaking of Mr Right, here comes the next one. Wow,
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  Speaker 1: you could use a revolving door, maybe even a conveyor belt,
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  Speaker 1: but I can tell you from fifty ft Awaite, that
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  Speaker 1: is not Mr Right. Thanks for your help, Hi, Margharite?
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: Does to please? Sure Margarite is? I'll make yours a
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: double on the house? Oh? Thank you, Josh. What is
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: the premise of dating is murder? Well, it's basically uh
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  Speaker 1: focuses on Hailey Dean having to um put herself in
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  Speaker 1: the pathway of Dane You're at this time in order
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  Speaker 1: to catch the killer. Because okay, you know what, Josh,
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  Speaker 1: break it down. Have you ever met anybody online? Don't
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: don't lie? Okay, just just tell me and uh from
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: what I recall if you're let me just say colorful history.
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  Speaker 1: Some worked out and some didn't correct. Would that be
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  Speaker 1: fair to say? To say? But none of them turned
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  Speaker 1: out to be serial killers? And that, sadly is what
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  Speaker 1: Haley is up again. Well, not that we know of, Josh,
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  Speaker 1: not that we know of You know, you're so picky.
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  Speaker 1: You could have gotten rid of a serial killer without
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: even knowing it. You could maybe you didn't like the
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: way you looked or rewalked or whatever. Long story short
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  Speaker 1: been a shame. Isn't that a shame? If if, if
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: I let the good one go? But my point is,
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  Speaker 1: so many people, I mean, it's so common. Now, how
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: did you guys meet online? You know for a long
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  Speaker 1: time that people will be embarrassed. They're not embarrassed, and
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: they shouldn't be embarrassed. Oh no, it's become you know,
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: it's become more um, it's become more you know, acceptable,
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: socially acceptable to meet somebody through an online app or
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: even through social media than it is to meet somebody
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  Speaker 1: at a bar. I mean people are no are no
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  Speaker 1: longer happy to say either that you know, I met
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  Speaker 1: I met him at a bar, sitting on a bar
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  Speaker 1: stool next to me. So I think now it's very
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  Speaker 1: commonplace for people to be using apps like, you know,
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: similar to match dot com or okay, Cupid or plenty
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  Speaker 1: of Fish. I mean there's so many of them now,
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  Speaker 1: tender um. And so in this movie, um, you know,
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  Speaker 1: somebody who an acquaintance of Hayley Dean's um meet somebody
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  Speaker 1: online and uh, it doesn't go well, let's just leave
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  Speaker 1: it that. Now here's a little tidbit that nobody knows
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  Speaker 1: when Josh and No we're working on the screenplay, and
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  Speaker 1: these characters come from uh the novel my novels on
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  Speaker 1: Haley Dean, a prosecutor turned therapist. Um, when we were
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: working on screenplay, I mean it's pretty obvious Halley has
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: to Helly Dean has to go onto the website and
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  Speaker 1: start dating people, start meeting them to try to figure
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  Speaker 1: out which one could be a killer. And I had
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  Speaker 1: written in all these scenes uh that are from true life,
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  Speaker 1: Like one woman has a date from online and the
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: guy picks his nose all the way through dinner. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: Uh yeah, Jackie here in this studio was just like
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: holding holding her face. Yeah, I mean a real excavation.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: It was an archaeological excavation into his nose, all right.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: For some reason, hallmart xna that why, I don't know. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Then I had one. I wrote one in where she
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  Speaker 1: has his dinner and the guy was like talking about
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: how he saved money all the time. Then he leaves
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: to go to the bathroom and they leave her with
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: he leaves her with a check and leaves. Okay, that
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  Speaker 1: one somehow ended up on the editing floor. But I
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  Speaker 1: had all these awesome, awful dates, Josh. Do you remember
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: all the dates that we came up with that I
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: absolutely loved. But for the sake of brevity, they have
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  Speaker 1: to cut some of them out. Well, and not just brevity,
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: but we're telling them their serious story here. I know.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: But you didn't like the booger scene. Well, I mean,
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: I come on, Josh, it was an awesome moment in
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  Speaker 1: TV movie history. Come on, Okay, maybe next time we'll
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: save that. And that's what what would have punched the
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: AMBI for sure. Hey, you know what is you like
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: to say? Let's put a pin in that. Maybe we'll
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: use it next time. So the point of the movie
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  Speaker 1: is it's a thriller. It's a thriller about can she
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  Speaker 1: catch a killer before he kills again or kills her.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: But there is another note to this, and it's about
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  Speaker 1: online safety. All are joking aside, it's about online safety
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  Speaker 1: and dating safety online, Josh. So some of those safety
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  Speaker 1: tips are. First of all, don't include a surname or
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: any reference to your workplace or your school name okay,
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: because anybody can find you whether you want them to
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: or not. Don't give out your name, your full name,
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: your location, your real phone number, information that a creep
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: could use to track you down. Don't have somebody call
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: you on a friend's number. That can be just as
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: dangerous as giving out your own number. Stop all communications
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: if someone doesn't respect those boundaries or they insist on
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: this personal information too soon. Be careful of the photos
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  Speaker 1: you post. Do not post photos with your license plate
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  Speaker 1: showing the outside of your home, your mailbox, or surroundings
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: that can identify your location. And all of these have
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  Speaker 1: been highlighting on our website crime online dot com. Subtle
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: but important tips for online safety and that's the tip
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: of the iceberg. Agree or disagree, Josh, well, I totally agree,
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  Speaker 1: having having having been dating online myself at one time.
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  Speaker 1: So yes, so you're off the market. I didn't say
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  Speaker 1: one way or the other. I just said at one
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  Speaker 1: time I dated online. Man of Mystery. Okay, guys, I
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: know this, you're a mysterious but I know where you're
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: going to be on Sunday night at nine o'clock. That's
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: October fifteen, Sunday night. You're gonna be right in front
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: of the TV watching the movie Dating as Murder along
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: with me. I'm sure you'll have a fat free, gluten free,
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: blah blah blah free snack. I will be showing down
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: on caramel popcorn. I had to buy like ten bags
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: of it from John David's Boy Scouts l And you
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: know what, I'm all against wasting food. Okay, that's wrong.
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna be having that all ten bags of it
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: in front of the TV set Sunday night. Guys, come
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• 49:21
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