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One Piece, 414 & 415 · Spoil Me! One Piece

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This is an Unspoiled Network podcast. This is spoil Me, covering one piece
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episodes four fourteen and four fifteen All Out Special Power Battle, Gum Gum Versus
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Snake Snake aka Gomo Gomo Versus Heavy Heavy, and four fifteen Give Me a
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Second, Hancock's Confession, The Sisters, Disgusting Past or abhorrent Past, depending
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on whose translation you're getting in this episode. I'm so sorry that I overwatched
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last week, so I've talked about some of this already, but thankfully the
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one I watched already was mostly fighting, and I still feel I've got plenty
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to talk about. Welcome to spoil Me, Welcome to the show everyone.
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I am Natasha. Thank you so much to Florian for commissioning this episode.
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What's up Florian? Florian is here in the chat. Appreciates you very much,
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and apologies to anybody who wanted to come to this live but didn't make
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it because of the confusion with the changing of event rooms for a crowdcast.
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But hopefully by the next event we will be all set and it will be
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a little bit simpler for everybody to figure out. I also had some trouble,
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so don't feel bad. So, like I said in the last episode,
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I already had watched the all out Special Power Battle, but I only
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talked about it in a broad stroke sort of way because I was trying to
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figure out what the deal was with what's on the girl's backs. And it
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turns out that what's going on is not something that we were supposed to really
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know about. And I think that I said something about the fact that Hachi
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had been covering up a mark on his forehead and the fact that he didn't
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want people to see it, and the way that Lucy said, like that
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looks familiar. I don't remember if I actually like drew that connection, but
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I know that I had been thinking about it, and then I sort of
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put it away because of the explanation that we were given that the sisters were
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just they had some ability to turn people to stone on their backs. So
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I was like accepting that explanation, and I pretty much set aside entirely the
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possibility of what of there being any connection between Hatchie and the sisters. But
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it turns out that there is potentially a connection. It's a little bit tenuous,
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but we will get there. So first, let's actually talk about the
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battle here reminder. Three thirteen ended with Lufy tapping into hockey and not realizing
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that's what he had done. So he has like a moment of victory over
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them, but everybody seems to accept that since he doesn't know what he did,
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that his fight is not going to improve. That that was a one
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time thing. He screamed for everybody to stop when they were about to smash
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the friend that helped him, and that caused them to halt. But it
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was a momentary emotional outburst, and that likely he won't be able to replicate
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that and you know, catch up to them in the battle. It turns
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out, though, that as much as he's like the hockey thing, it's
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sort of does not seem to come up again this fight. But he does
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go into I think second gear. I don't think he does third gear because
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second gear remind me, guys, second gear is the one where he like
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looks like a hot water bottle, right, And third gear is that the
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one where he turns real small after and he can punch like incredibly hard.
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What does third gear? Have trouble remembering? But I don't think he does
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third. I think he only does second. But one of the sisters spit
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something at him here and it's this like a venom, I think, and
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there's a sort of hissing when it lands on one of the fences, so
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that it seems it's eating through it, like it's the acid that spills out
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of the mouth of the alien in alien. So as much as he has
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been kind of getting his ass handed to him, this is the he is
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still like attempting to make the same hits, and he doesn't seem to understand
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like how best to deal with them initially, and when he says stop,
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that's enough, all of the like, there's a bunch of women in the
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audience who pass out as well, So we're seeing that like all over again.
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And honestly, as much as I'm not a fan of like backing up
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to show us what just happened, I kind of appreciated it because I keep
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forgetting the way that hockey can affect certain people, and I'm really wondering and
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there may be an explanation to this that I don't get to know about yet.
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So if that's the case, then obviously they don't tell me. But
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sorry, Florian's in the chat. He says, yeah, second is fast,
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and third is strength with drawbacks, and then in parentheses he wrote small
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smol very nice, thank you, Florian. Florian, I just want to
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say, how like saying that I am impressed is so inadequate the fact that
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you can speak another language and you also do like slang and meme speak in
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that language. I just can't wrap my head around it. Like I'm I'm
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sure that to a degree you just absorb it because of being in the groups
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that you're in and stuff, you know, but I just can't imagine.
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And every time that you bust out some shit like this, I'm just like,
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oh my god, how is he? Like you're as good at my
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language as I am and it's not your native language, And it makes me
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feel like I really should try harder at life. I should really just make
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more of an effort, you know what I'm saying. But anyway, So
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what I wanted to ask was, why is the hockey when the when the
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sisters use it not making the women pass out? Is it because they know
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how to direct it better? Because Lufy just basically yells that's enough, and
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he just it's just an outburst. It's not like focused on anybody. So
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I'm assuming that's why it's like he doesn't really know exactly how to wield it
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yet, so it's just kind of splashing outward on everybody. The thought that
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I have about this is in the Dresden Files for those of you who have
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not read the Dress and Files. The main character is a wizard and he
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had a lot of like strength to his magic, but he talks frequently about
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how despite having like a lot of raw power, there is an inefficiency to
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the way he uses magic, and that growing older and more experienced makes it
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so that you aren't expending a ton of extra energy to do a small thing.
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And there is a which that he meets that is able to the force
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that he uses in a spell of his. It's called Fuego and it's just
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this like basically flamethrower kind of spell, and she can focus that same amount
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of power into like a laser pointer thin type, you know what I'm saying.
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So it's so much more clean and efficient, and I really like the
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idea that that is what's going on here, is that the sisters are more
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experienced with using hockey and so it doesn't have this like it doesn't cause collateral
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damage because they know where to direct it. But that's just a total theory,
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you know. David says, on a scale of one to ten,
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how good is the island and how fitting is it to Lufy? It's so
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funny because the island is like it works. It works for Lufy as a
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man because he is so not horny any other dude. I feel like on
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this island it would have a bad time, but Lufy is so bizarrely sexless
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that it's just like of no interest to him. And I feel like if
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he showed any more leering, they would have no tolerance for it. But
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because he's just kind of like, I don't know, I mean, walk
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around in a bikini, I guess who as I'm naked, It's fine.
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It's they seem much more accepting. I want Lucy to play hockey and be
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confused because hockey isn't involved. It's terrible joke. David negative ten points.
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Leave immediately. So anyway this, uh we when we come back to them
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after, like you know, they've begun to realize, oh, he can
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use hockey, but he's not great at it. They pick the fight back
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up, but he has sort of after being able to stop them from breaking
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his friend. It seems like he turned a corner and really understood for the
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first time what the stakes really are here. I'm not saying that he wasn't
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taking them seriously before, but he was treating them like they could be reasoned
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with, I guess. And he's just starting to understand now as not the
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vibe this is. They don't want to talk, and I've got to approach
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this like it's me or them. So yeah, he says, I'm gonna
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go beat up these big snake ladies. He's talking to the girl who got
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turned to stone and he goes, Okay, now, let's do this,
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and he has a lot more confidence all of a sudden, which makes sense.
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He was just able to stop them from doing something and he doesn't really
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know why. He seems to think it was just like he was forceful enough,
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you know. But yeah, so again with the venom, this stuff
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is so like, I really I don't want them to land venom on him,
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but I do kind of want to see what would happen. I have
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to assume he would just begin to melt. It would probably be pretty bad.
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But yeah, he is dodging like crazy, and they're starting to be
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like, how is he managing to get away from us for the first time.
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He's actually being faster than we are, which they are not used to,
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and that's the first sign that shit is beginning to go a different direction.
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Then we have all of this like purple smoke that begins to formulate around
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him. At some point, somebody calls it a poison gas attack. I
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couldn't tell if the gas was like coming from the venom that got spit out,
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or if it's, like I was about to say, if it's coming
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from somewhere else, And then I realized that it makes it look like,
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makes it sound like she's farting out this gas, but honestly, why not
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sure that's probably what she's doing. And she tells him I think it's Marigold
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who's talking to him, that she's weakening him so that she can take care
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of him easily. And he really starts to get a bit faint here,
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like there's a moment of oh no, Like, once you start introducing these
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sorts of substances, it doesn't feel like a fair fight anymore. And I
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recognize that that's not really reasonable, because people have got these devil fruit powers,
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so they can take all kinds of forms, and if you're going to
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allow one person's devil fruit power, you gotta just allow all of them,
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because otherwise it's not fair. But it does seem to me that if one
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person's devil fruit power is they turned into a giraffe and another person's devil fruit
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power is that they emit poison gas, they do not feel like they are
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on par with one another. That's all I'm saying. It's just inherently unfair.
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So at this point, he is really taking a beating again, like
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it looked like he was managing, and he starts to get beaten in it's
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a sort of thing where he gets punched in one direction with her tail,
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and before he can fully fall, she catches him in the other direction by
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punching him, you know what I mean. Like it's just a lot of
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him getting slapped around, and it feels really undignified, like there was something
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about this. I was just sort of going, oh, well, sweetie
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as I was watching it. So he's like attempting to get his legs back
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under him, and he pauses and they think they've got him. So one
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of them has this, like I guess it's a hatchet an axe, and
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she goes for him. He does manage to dodge it, and this is
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when he goes flying toward that pit that's full of spikes, and as he
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is like falling, he realizes that he's not fuzzy anymore because he is out
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of the range of the gas, so he reaches up and grabs the edge
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and manages to save himself from falling onto the spikes. And he's just swinging
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through here. It's great. He's doing a sort of it's what's the word
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I want? Who's Who's Who's the guy? Not George of the Jungle,
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You guys know what I'm talking about. The dude who swung on vines.
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Who's the Tarzan? Tarzan, that's the guy. It's a sort of Tarzan
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vibe because it's very consistent the way he's swinging through here, and he is
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like attacking them from up in the air, so he's got a little bit
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more protection from this gas. And while he's up there, he inflates himself
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into a giant balloon and then expands all of the air so that he blows
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away the gas and the venom. I really didn't think he was going to
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manage the venom because it's like, you know, we have the animation of
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the wind hitting the venom and it sits there unchanged for a minute before it
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finally dissipates. I love it, though. When he lands, He's like,
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all of that was really getting on my nerves. Now I can beat
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you guys up like I was supposed to. I just love Lufy so much.
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Sometimes, you guys like, there's there are times where I want to
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kill him. Don't get me wrong, you know, he is just infuriating
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at times, and I'm just like, why are you in charge? And
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then there are times like this where he is so innocently all right, well,
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now it's time to whip your asses. I was meant to do that
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like five minutes ago, so I'm late. So both of the snake women
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are like, dude, I don't know why you suddenly think you can beat
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the hell out of us. You had a chance and you weren't taking it.
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It was happening. I don't really buy it. And this is when
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he goes into second gear and steam begins to come off him and he starts
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to do that weird glowy thing and everybody is like, what is happening over
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there? And it's sort of weird. The women who are fighting him seem
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to think that it is just the way that men are. They're like just
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going, men are way different from us, aren't they, And really like,
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so I get, look, I'm gonna do one of those things.
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Yet again, where I admit, there's a reason why we're pretending this isn't
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the case. It's for the joke, right, It's for the joke of
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that none of them know what a man is and whatever. But it's been
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told to us that women will leave the island and come home with child.
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So we've definitely got women out here fucking and knowing what a man is.
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And yet none of the women on the island have ever seen a dude before.
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Methinks that is not correct. That doesn't seem like it's probable. But
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anyway, so yeah, he gets himself ready and he begins to go at
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them in gear two, and his hits are beginning to land, and that's
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really all it is. At first. It's not even that he's beating them.
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It's simply that he lands a hit which he had been unable to do
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a minute ago. And both of the sisters are like, all right,
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well, if you want to play like this, I guess we're really going
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to go for it. And the one says, meduce hair eight headed serpent,
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And I've got to be honest, I was really happy to see because,
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you know, we've had the mention of the fact that they can turn
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them into stone and the fact that there's snakes, and there's been a lot
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of like Medusa ish imagery here, but nothing outright, and I was just
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like, Okay, here, finally, here we go. So, yeah,
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her hair turns into snakes. And I don't mean like her hair suddenly
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transforms into snake bodies. I mean that her hair is forming itself into the
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shape of snakes. And those snakes jaws are like strong enough that they're biting
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through the edges of like the fencing that section off the fighting area from the
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audience, which, honestly, all I kept thinking was just like, you
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guys are doing so much damage. She really are going have to pay a
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lot to repair this little arena, Like it just seems thoughtless. Be a
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little bit more considerate. So Sandersonia is going after him hard with her hair,
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but he just manages to knock her the fuck out, and it's definitely
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an upset. The fact that she goes down. Nobody was expecting that,
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and Marigold bashes at him and is like worried for her sister. She's so
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upset and didn't expect that she was going to have to, like first of
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all, go up against him alone, that he would be able to take
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her sister down. I don't think she's ever had to worry about her before.
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So she's telling him, your attacks just bounce off me, dude,
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So come at me if you want. It's not going to happen. I
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can match your speed, so go ahead and try as much as you want,
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but it's not going to happen. And this is what I had described
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earlier, where she's just like how is he so fast? Because he uses
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jet zuka and so his speed is just an entirely different echelon than it was
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before she was dealing with Lufi in his first gear, And this time when
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he does the bazuka, he hits her so hard that she falls onto like
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the staircase outside of the arena, and she doesn't like fall into the pit
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here, but it's pretty close. It's a moment of just like oh.
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At this point, Hancock is just like, what the fuck are you guys
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doing y'all, we're supposed to take care of this guy, and you're out
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here playing these games and letting him get, you know, get the drop
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on. You finish this ship so we can move on with our goddamn day.
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I'm sick of it. You all know what he did. It's unforgivable.
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Take care of it. So here comes Sandrasnia again with the eight headed
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serpent, and I'm just like, girl, we've been through this though.
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You know this doesn't work. Marigold, though, lights her ass up.
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And when I say that she lights her ass up, I mean herself.
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She is on fire, and it's pretty cool looking, I've got to say.
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When she is like completely covered in fire, her hair also turns into
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snakes, but they are fiery snakes, which seems like she's got a real
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advantage over her sister's version. I must say. Lufy launches himself backward.
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He does gattling, and he essentially punches their hair out of shape so they're
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no longer snakes, which I don't know. There's something about that that's really
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funny to me, Like they just had really really good definition in their curls.
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And then he just like ran his hands through it and fucked it up
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as somebody with curly hair. And then as he's like falling to the ground,
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he does a split and kicks them in the chest, and they like
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try it's like they're avoiding falling into the pit, so they fall toward each
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other in such a way that poor sanders Sonia is engulfed in her sister's flames
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and is burning up. I honestly did feel for her, because Marigold is
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so she said something like, oh, I'm so sorry, I didn't mean
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to and there's something about her just like having hurt her sister, and you
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know, it's such a terrible way. Fire is just the worst that I
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really felt for her for a second. So trying to like get away from
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each other, and they realize that he has tied their tails together, which
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is genuinely so disrespectful. And this is when Sandersonia begins to fall towards the
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pit, and because she was on fire, her whole back is exposed and
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that all of the women are like peering down at her. And at first
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it seems like Hancock doesn't understand the danger. At first, she's just like
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this is fucking pathetic, and then she's like, oh my god, her
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back is exposed somebody and we have a little flashback, and then Lufy jumps
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out onto her back and covers it up. And when he does this,
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Sandersonia doesn't get why, and she thinks he's like going to attack her,
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and it's like he's totally exposed, sister, why are you just standing there?
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Do something? And Marigold just like, you don't get it. He's
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protecting you. He's covering up your back. All of the women in the
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audience, though, are talking about how he's protecting us. Otherwise we would
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be turned to stone. So because they have this other story, it's interesting
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to me, like, if they had only kept their backs secret in a
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general sense, sorry, I hit my mic, him jumping on her back
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would not seem significant to the audience. But because they have circulated this alternate
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story of the you know, the eye on their back that would turn them
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to stone, despite the audience misunderstanding, they still see significance in what he's
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doing here, so they're still giving him credit. It's just like for the
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wrong thing, which is sort of like because this means that they all in
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this moment also understand Lufy's generosity of spirit where he's not attempting to just get
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the drop on her while he has the chance and win the battle because she's
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vulnerable. He is doing something for the sake of them all, so they
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think. And at this point, Hancock, who really thought she understood the
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kind of dude Lufy is, she stands up and yells for all of the
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women to get out of the arena so it's just her and her sisters,
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and she's like really moved by the fact that he wasn't going to take advantage
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of this moment to win the fight. Meanwhile, the old lady whose name
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I can't remember it is off to the side and she's talking to herself about
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how the princess has everybody fooled despite being a terrible person and you know,
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hiding this huge secret and it's time now that she basically come to grips with
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what kind of rulers she wants to be. And Hancock, off to the
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side, has started crying. And I thought she was crying because she was
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like so moved by what Lufy has done. But honestly, once you hear
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her story later, I think it's more she is reacting to the memories of
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what happened to her, you know, like she went through a trauma and
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she has been sort of trying to run away from that and it's not working.
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She is still faced with it here, so going we jumped to the
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next episode at this point, and Lufy is trying to make a deal with
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her here. At first, he's like checking on the statue of the woman
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and making sure that she's okay, and he's like, all right, so
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you can fix all of them, right, you can just turn them human
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again. And Hancock is like, yeah, I can do that, but
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you have somewhere that you want to be. So I'm going to give you
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a choice. You can either get a ship to bring you where you want
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to go, or I change them back. That's it, you get one
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or the other. And she really thinks she has set up a flawless trap
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here. She's like, ha, now everybody's going to get to see which,
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like, you know, because we know Lufy, we know what he
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would what he's going to pick here. But she just wants to prove mostly
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to herself at this point because there's no other women in the arena anymore.
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They've all left, so it's not even about her proving to everybody else what
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he's like. She wants to believe it herself that he's like worthy of what
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she was trying to do to him and instead, and you guys, like,
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I know that Lufy is going to pick turning them back to humans,
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right, that he's going to bring them back to life basically. But the
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thing that takes it over the top for me here is not simply that.
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It's that he doesn't complain about her making the deal one or the other.
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It's one thing to make the choice that's the like kind and generous choice.
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It's another thing to make the kind and generous choice without any feelings of bitterness
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or resentment. And I'll tell you what, kiddos, I could never like
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excuse me, I'm just burped into my mic Oh my god, I'm so
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sorry. I don't even know where that came from. But I just personally,
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I have like done the right thing, and I will freely say out
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loud, but this sucks, though. I just want everybody aware this fucking
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sucks, and I don't like it the idea of doing it while thanking her
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because he says that's great, well, okay, go ahead and turn him
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back. And then he presses his head to the ground and says seriously thank
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you, and he's grinning from ear to ear, and as she comes down
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to turn them back, he is smiling so bright and is so happy.
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Meanwhile, like yours truly would be like, well, then turn them back.
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I don't get why you have to make it into a one or the
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other thing. It doesn't have to be like that, but yeah, turn
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them back. If you're going to be a dick about it, go ahead.
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I would just be very snotty. I couldn't help it because she's being
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a bitch for no reason. She just wants to dislike him, and so
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it would be very valid if he was just like, well fuck you then,
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and he's not. He's grateful, which truly is a totally different beast,
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you know. And the old lady says he has such an immensely powerful
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hockey but didn't hesitate to save those he owes, which I think what she
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means is base basically, like he is so powerful that he could just take
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what he wants and you know, and be out of here. I don't
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know if she really gets the way that the sisters did that he can't control
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his hockey or what but anyway, so outside of the gate to this arena,
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all of the audience is like standing there waiting, and they're wondering what
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the mistake princess has done. And unexpectedly the women who got turned to stone
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step out, and all of these ladies are like, what happened? Oh
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my god, she turns you back. And it turns out they have no
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memory of what she did to them, which it was a really surprising thing
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to me that they don't recall what happened. I think it's for the best,
32:52
probably, but I didn't expect amnesia to be like a side effect of
32:57
it, you know. So they're all like, you know, thanking the
33:04
snake princess and apologizing because we have a little bit of a flashback, and
33:09
she says, continue to dedicate yourselves to the protection of our nation, and
33:15
she just walks away from them and leaves them to their devices, and they're
33:20
the audience is asking these women, well, so what did she do with
33:24
the man? And one of them says, isn't it obvious she turned him
33:30
to stone and just got on with her day, which I really enjoyed that,
33:35
like phrasing, and just got on with her day. But then they
33:42
find out he is not stone. He has been brought to the castle.
33:47
So at this point we go to lufy. I'm saying castle. It's like
33:53
palace. I don't know. But he wants to get fed and keeps being
33:59
like, dude, you feed me. And we're even no hard feelings at
34:02
all. I just want some meat, will be good. They're not giving
34:07
him any food, though. He's getting really frustrated. And when he goes
34:10
into the next room, she's standing there with no top on, and he
34:15
is so uninterested and it's just like I really hoped I was going to get
34:20
roast beef or something like what is this? And she says, I want
34:27
you to look at this and tell me if you've seen it before, like
34:31
where you've seen it, And she pulls her hair aside and we see this
34:37
mark and it's a brand, clearly, because as she's pulling her hair to
34:40
the side, all of these memories are flashing through her mind of like a
34:46
brazier of coals, and it's obviously that this was done with heat. And
34:51
it's a circle with three triangles like little claws pointing upward and one pointing downward,
34:59
which I think is a to be kind of an oversimplified dragon claw sort
35:05
of symbol. So then Lufy says, there's a friend of mine who's a
35:10
fishman named Hachi, and he's got a mark kind of like that on his
35:15
forehead, but it's not exactly the same. I've not seen one like yours
35:22
before. And this is when oh, Granny Neon that's her name, she
35:28
comes in and she's like, you can trust him. You have to see
35:31
that. If he doesn't know what it is, just go ahead and tell
35:36
him. Their secret is clearly safe with this guy. And Hancock does not
35:42
want to say, but she's like, all right, fine, here it
35:46
goes. And I have to really I want to point out something that I
35:50
loved about this, that she is telling him this story and is getting genuinely,
36:00
like really upset recounting all of this, and he tries to tell her
36:07
that he doesn't need to hear anymore. He's basically like, this is obviously
36:13
causing you trauma to go into again, so just I know enough, you
36:20
don't have to do this to yourself. And I really liked that aspect of
36:23
it, that he had so much compassion for them, even after the fact,
36:29
with just telling him their story, you know, but that's a little
36:35
bit later. At this point, the granny is like, wait a minute,
36:39
I think I recognize you. You're in the newspaper and she says,
36:49
you're the one who punched a celestial dragon. And all of them are fucking
36:54
floored, like genuinely, are you are you hitting? How are you here?
37:00
Then? Like what how could you have gotten away with doing that?
37:07
And he's like, I told you already that I got flung here. I
37:10
don't know how I'm here. I just got thrown and I wound up here.
37:15
And we get this moment where Hancock is saying, you're just like him,
37:25
and we find out about this dude who is apparently dead now, but
37:31
he was somebody who went up against the celestial dragons himself, and he came
37:38
in and like freed everybody and it was a big It was just a big
37:45
deal. But we'll get there in a second. So she explains to Lufy,
37:51
my sisters and I were on one of our ships and we got abducted
37:55
and it was like broad daylight and we got and we were auctioned off and
38:06
we get to see, like in a sort of dramatic silhouette, the celestial
38:16
dragons. How they have those weird bowls on their heads. They there's no
38:22
specifics about who each one of them is, but you know that they're part
38:28
of the crew because of how they're dressed, and their faces are just really
38:30
indistinct, and this mark on their backs was a brand from being made into
38:38
slaves, and all of the faces around them, it really seems like they're
38:46
all men. And she says to Lufy, all the first men we ever
38:55
encountered were nothing but figures of cruelty and horror, which there's no detail,
39:06
But I am just going to assume sexual assault, like just there's you don't
39:12
abduct girls of this age and put them into slavery, and that's not part
39:21
of the deal. Like probably it would be a factor for young boys too,
39:25
but it's it's more possible it's not than it is for girls. I
39:30
just have to assume. So as she's telling the story, she's like her
39:37
sisters are really starting to freak out, and she says it was so awful,
39:43
like we just prayed for death. It was four years of this and
39:49
eventually one night this guy shows up and it's She says, it was accepted
39:58
as a rule of the world that no one would dare challenge the celestial dragons.
40:02
But on that fateful night, there was a man who scaled the red
40:06
line with his bare hands and slipped into Marie Jois, the holy land of
40:09
the celestial Dragons. And like, I was sort of expecting, honestly,
40:17
you guys, that this might have been like Ace or somebody, but she
40:22
says that his name was Fisher Tiger. He wanted to release one of his
40:28
fellow fishmen, and even though he hated humans, he still let all of
40:36
the humans out of slavery as well. So I really appreciated that, because
40:40
you know, you hate humans, and like, humans are the ones that
40:45
have put you in here. I wouldn't have been too angry if he were
40:50
just like, nah, fuck all y'all. But he doesn't. He lets
40:53
all of these slaves out, and we get to see this escape. There's
40:55
definitely like a giant in amongst them and everything, and she says, we
41:02
all fled totally willing to risk death. It was no problem. And there's
41:12
this like I want to mention. As they're leaving, her and her sisters
41:17
still look like Marigold looks normal. She looks like the only one that doesn't
41:27
is Sandersonia. She's got a really really big head, but Marigold is just
41:32
kind of taller than her sister. It's not really like her body looks almost
41:38
disfigured the way that Sandersonian's does. But anyway, she says, we owed
41:46
a debt to him. In the end, Tiger unleashed an army fishmen swarmed
41:52
the oceans, but they were cursed to wear the mark of slavery. So
41:58
Tiger, because he was being hunted by the world government, brought the fugitives
42:02
together to form the Pirates of the Sun. And she says that they erased
42:09
their bondage by making a new brand that went over the Celestial Dragon brand and
42:19
changed them to symbols of the Sun. And today those pirates all still wear
42:24
that brand, and because they all wear it, it does not necessarily signify
42:32
that they were ever a slave. Some of them might have been, but
42:37
they also may have just been branded because they're part of that crew. And
42:46
she's like, so that's why you saw hot shes and you thought it looked
42:51
familiar because it's it looks familiar because it's so similar. And she says that
43:00
they the Pirates disbanded after this guy died. He's been dead for some time,
43:07
and they split into several factions, and we see Arlong when she says
43:14
that it's like transposed over the screen. And I was really like disappointed at
43:23
the idea that Arlong had been one of his pirates, because like he was
43:30
just such a bastard and having come from a crew that was explicitly formed to
43:40
fight back against slavery, Arlong basically was trying to have slaves himself, you
43:49
know, like that's what he was attempting to do. So I just was
43:53
a little bit like, man, you really just betrayed the whole ethos of
43:59
where you came from, and that sucks. But yeah, so she says,
44:05
now that you know the history of the Mark, you can understand,
44:09
like our position here, the things that they made us do as slaves was
44:15
sick. And they forced me and my sisters to eat these fruits, the
44:24
devil fruits, for their amusement. And I can't help but wonder, you
44:32
guys, if they were forced to eat these I'm assuming there is just so
44:40
much power in the celestial dragons that there was no way for them to like
44:45
bust up out of there. But it's just hard to imagine, because the
44:50
fruits allow them to become so enormous, and like, you know, we
44:54
have the Snake Princess turning an entire army. It's like a shipload of navy
45:00
guys. She turns all of them to stone, and I'm just sort of
45:05
like, couldn't you have just done that and been why? It feels basically
45:12
like they were handed machine guns, which doesn't seem smart to me, and
45:20
they didn't use them. So I'm just going to assume that the power of
45:27
those guys is just so overwhelming that even this would not have been enough.
45:30
But it's really hard to imagine, do you know what I mean? And
45:37
I love when we she says, like our women, we've been hiding this
45:43
forever, and because we have eaten these devil fruits, we are able to
45:50
feed them this story about why we're hiding our backs. But I just can't
45:53
stand for anyone to know of our past. And it's a kind of weird
46:01
thing where on the one hand, her saying I can't stand for anyone to
46:07
know of our past, I get it. This is a really horrific thing
46:12
she went through. And even though I don't think anybody would judge her it's
46:22
so private, you know, like it's just such a personal, horrible thing
46:28
that I can't blame anybody who went through something this traumatic and who doesn't want
46:35
everybody to know about it. You know, It's the sort of thing that
46:38
could be it just becomes then a topic of conversation with people that you don't
46:46
know, in a way that a lot of folks, you know, when
46:52
they see a public figure, think they have the right to bring certain things
46:55
up with them, when it's like, that's a human being. And so
47:02
I'm not at all saying that this desire to keep it secret is unreasonable,
47:10
but I did think when she's like, after this is finished, she says
47:15
to Lufy, so you must be repulsed by me because of my you know,
47:20
history as a slave, and Lufy is genuinely like, what, no,
47:25
I don't care about that, are you kidding me? And I did
47:30
appreciate that this is the sort of thing that would be hard for me to
47:32
understand in general, I think, which is the concept of holding somebody responsible
47:43
for being victimized, which I know happens. Like her asking this feels silly
47:51
in a sort of objective way, and yet it's not actually silly. In
48:00
the in the world. It's like, so, you know, I've already
48:07
talked about the consequence or the possibility of sexual assault being part of this story,
48:15
even though it's not explicitly mentioned, but there's a There was a conversation
48:22
that got circulated simply because it was so outrageous, and it was a Facebook
48:30
post somebody made saying like, hey, mena there, if you found out
48:35
that your girlfriend had been like gang raped by six guys, would you stay
48:39
with her or no? And it was like a full debate in the comments
48:47
of dudes arguing why they wouldn't want to be with a girl who had gone
48:52
through that, And it was just absolutely like hideous and baffling to me because
49:00
they were acting like somehow she was the problem, which I just can't wrap
49:05
my head around. But it's because this is like the way that society has
49:10
structured things with women, and I am still underestimating it at every turn,
49:16
how deep that victim blaming goes. And I think that, you know,
49:24
her expectation that he may feel this way is actually valid. As much as
49:31
I want to be like, come on, of course he's not going to
49:34
blame you for that, Apparently that's not fucking uncommon, so, you know,
49:43
and we then get this like thing with with the Granny, who she
49:50
Hancock is like crying freely at this point, and Granny is kind of jubilant
49:58
here in a way that I it's like, girl, I get what you're
50:00
trying to say, but can you fucking not right now? She's just so
50:06
excited that Hancock is showing some genuine emotion and is like, this is what
50:13
your people want to see from you, and you really, you know,
50:15
there are times where it seems like you aren't even really a person, and
50:20
I'm glad to see you having some sort of emotional reaction to something. And
50:25
again like not, now, what are you doing? This woman is just
50:30
recounting a horrific trauma of years. You know, Like it would be bad
50:35
enough if she had just been like beaten and captured and mistreated for a day.
50:40
This ship went on for four years. So yeah, I think that
50:46
maybe just dial it back a little bit that you're so excited that she's crying
50:52
talking about this horrific thing she went to through. Just genuinely, lady,
50:59
what are you doing? And she then like brings up Hancock like says something
51:07
about how Granny is mocking her, and Granny says something about how I saved
51:16
you and your sisters. You would have starved to death on some island if
51:22
I hadn't like gone into waters that were unapproved and saved you, guys.
51:28
And so I think maybe that's a part of why like she is exiled now,
51:34
is that she was doing something that was unsanctioned. But all Hancock says
51:42
is you did do us that small kindness. And Grannie gets really upset and
51:52
it's just like, I've treated you like you were my own daughters, and
51:54
you're gonna call it a small kindness? Are you for real? And he
52:00
is so livid, And again, Granny, now is not the time she
52:08
should say, screaming in her face, you would have starved to death if
52:13
it wasn't for me. Just look, Do I think that Hancock has been
52:20
horrible? Yes? Is this the time? Like really, get just read
52:28
the room lady. So yeah, this Sorry, there's a bunch of people
52:34
in the comments. Hold on, guys, let me just jump over there.
52:40
Oh, David says, the skypeeans worshiped the sun. Remember I do
52:45
not remember, but I believe you. He says, I have a theory
52:49
that only celestial dragons can kill celestial dragons. That's why it was amusing to
52:53
give slaves devil fruit. Interesting, huh okay, I mean even if you
53:00
can't kill them, you could still I would think get away from them,
53:06
like Lufy was able to knock that guy out. He was fucking like unconscious.
53:12
But I don't know whatever. Florian says, I think she finds her
53:16
own past repulsive and therefore thinks she herself is repulsive. She's kind of projecting
53:23
her own feelings on Lufy. I think I definitely agree with that. And
53:29
David says, I suspect the women who got pregnant off Island pretend that they
53:32
don't know what men are in order to spare BoA's feelings. They don't want
53:37
their positive experiences to be pushed in her face. I'm sorry which one's Boa,
53:47
David? Is that the woman that he was like befriending that got turned
53:52
into a statue. I do not agree with you, because of like,
54:01
in the context, there's nobody there like thinking that anybody's pretending. It just
54:07
doesn't make any sense. You could say that you know what a man is
54:12
without necessarily getting graphic about the great sex you had. But the boss lady
54:20
of the island. Oh is her name Boa? I don't okay, I
54:25
just don't remember that, but yeah, it's this type of snake, so
54:29
I guess that makes sense. I'm just so it's Boa hand right, thank
54:35
you, thank you, Florian. Yeah, I just I accept that you're
54:43
trying a head can in this, but I don't feel like that really makes
54:45
sense. Nevertheless, it doesn't matter, like for the sake of the joke.
54:51
I get why they do it the way they do, but so this,
54:59
like when Lufy, it's just like, of course, I don't find
55:00
any repulsive. She turns around and she has like this pink flush on her
55:07
cheeks and seems actually like moved. And it's funny because this is the first
55:13
time that she's looked cute to me, because otherwise her eyes have been very
55:19
sort of flat, and there's been such a haughtiness and distance in her face.
55:25
But when she's turned around here and he's talking to her, her eyes
55:30
are given a lot more depth, and she's got that blush, and she
55:35
just looks so much prettier with those like details added the eyes. The way
55:39
her eyes looked before, there was something about them that was so dead you
55:45
know, and she tells Lufy, you know what, I've decided. I
55:52
like you and if there's someplace that you want to go, my ship is
55:57
at your command. And Lufy gets very excited and says really, and that
56:02
is when it cuts to to be continued. So that is the end of
56:08
the episode. But yeah, I'm really curious how Lufy is going to like
56:16
because it would be one thing to be like, oh, you can take
56:21
my ship if she's not going to go with him, Like, he's not
56:25
going to be on an entire ship by himself, so I have to assume
56:30
somebody's going to come and I'm thinking it probably would be the lady that he
56:34
put it all on the line for. But how does he know where to
56:37
go? How does he know where to navigate? Does he explain to them
56:40
where he had been? I guess and they can take him there. And
56:44
we also have the issue of these sea kings, but I guess they've got
56:46
ships now that can cross over that. So anyway, there's just a lot,
56:51
like, you know, we haven't seen any of the rest of the
56:54
straw Hat crew. So what I'm sort of hoping for is next episode we
57:01
jump over to where some of them are and get to see what kind of
57:05
adventures they've been up to, because I am not sure how much control there
57:12
was to where they wound up and whether they're in the same place or if
57:15
they're completely split up, or what's going on with that. Oh right,
57:22
Florian says he's got Rayley's Viva card, which I keep forgetting about those.
57:25
That's right, But yeah, I just I want to see what everybody else
57:30
has been up to, and like part of me hopes that they are all
57:35
together. But if they're together and Lufy was the only one that was separate,
57:37
that would suck. So I guess they may all be separate. I
57:45
don't know, m I don't really have any theories on that. I just
57:51
hope, Like the thing is with this island of women, I don't want
57:57
them to get pulled into anything else. So while I want his friends to
58:01
come with him, the people that he's befriended here, I also don't really
58:07
want them to do that because I would like them to stay isolated in their
58:09
little utopia because it seems like the place to be. So I think I'm
58:15
just going to sort of theorize that they give him a ship and let him
58:21
go by himself, even though that doesn't sound likely at all, that's my
58:24
ideal. All right, Well, it's time to wrap up, but thank
58:31
you again Florian for commissioning this. Thank you to Florian and David for hanging
58:36
out here. I feel like there was another person here, Am I wrong?
58:39
Nope, just looks like you two. But thank you guys again.
58:42
Appreciate you both being here and hopefully everybody will be able to find this a
58:46
little bit more easily next time. Thank you all for listening. Until next
58:51
time to Loo Motherfucker's. That was an Unspoiled Network podcast