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Halal Christmas Trees🎄 (Ft. Husein Bandali) · After Maghrib 🌙

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  Salam alaikum and welcome, back to another episode on the
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  aftermath of podcast. With today, we want to talk
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  about all things relating to Christmas is a Halal celebrating
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  Christmas, or is a Haram. Do we celebrate?
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  I need more Christmas more as Muslims was going on and more
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  importantly, as shh. Where are we doing about the
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  media? Are we at the majlis?
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  All we are home eating some turkey before.
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  But today, we're talking about Christmas.
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  We are exciting stuff. Exciting for many Muslims,
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  believe it or not. Yeah, should be excited.
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  I think that's a question. That's the main question.
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  I think joining us to help us get into that as a good friend
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  of ours, Jose Medina salaam alaikum.
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  I can stand like a nice to see how's things.
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  I'm good handle on how you guys hearing on the long.
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  Have you been recently? Yeah, all good.
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  I think. I mean we're recording this just
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  just after the World Cup final. So eye cream has been there.
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  That was a that was a crazy day. I had Had the pleasure of
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  spending the day with Ahmed watching that game.
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  So those have to have one of the best one of the best games of
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  the of all time. I would say yeah, I'll be one of
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  the best tournament. So handle has been good, but
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  like we mentioned, also the month of for Tamiya has been
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  here already and still some nights to come.
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  So it's striking that. But so, yeah, so weird, it's a
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  weird. It's a weird feeling having to
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  shouldn't be with Yeah, I guess so.
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  I mean it's weird on one side, you've got the goat winning the
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  World Cup. That's like the way you feel
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  about that and then obviously Papa Mia's coming up.
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  Work is slowing down. I think for a lot of people so
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  it's been hard to balance. So so what sort of violence?
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  Like a real question? Okay.
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  Fine. So I think a lot of people are
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  not ask and want to know how should we feel about Christmas,
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  okay? Because we're Muslims we have
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  conflicting reports opinions on the ideological Spectrum.
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  I'm of Islam. You've got the liberal side who
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  are generally okay with it. Stop, big deal with.
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  Even the UK doesn't mean what converting to Christianity.
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  For example. And then you've got the others
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  who say, no, no trees, no presents, no gifts, no dinners,
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  nothing carry on with your life. As though you've just got
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  another bank holiday or public holiday for non UK viewers.
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  So I think that's the hard thing like where do we stand now?
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  How do you draw the line? Where do you draw the line?
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  Are we in the wrong? Are we doing the wrong thing?
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  We do the right thing. If someone does something
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  different, if I get invited to my The Muslims house for
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  Christmas dinner. Should I go?
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  Should I not? You know, I mean, so yeah,
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  that's the hard part, maybe the might be some more things.
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  What would you say, Ali? How are you?
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  Finding this whole period. How does it affect your life
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  personally as an? It doesn't affect me personally?
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  Yes, I think it's having an effect on my kids, okay?
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  You know, from the perspective of as a Muslim parent trying to
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  you know keep the kids away from this whole Christmas happiness
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  and greet. Things and seasons and whatnot.
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  Because I think there is a big, big, you know.
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  Should I say influence at school?
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  Yeah. When it comes to celebrating
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  Christmas, like you've got my eldest comment on telling me,
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  you know, are we going to have a Christmas tree or you know, are
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  we gonna sounds funny, but we're going to leave a cookie for
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  Santa. I'ma literally am I on Santa's
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  good list all these things. I'm getting shocked.
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  I'm like, you know, what's going on as Muslims?
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  I wish they did the same. For I, for example, it's not
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  happening at Christmas and I think is whirring whirring, but
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  you are going to say, I think I mean, I understand where you're
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  coming from in terms of as a Muslim parent.
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  Obviously, I can't speak on that personally.
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  But having grown up most of my life here.
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  As many of the viewers, I'm sure from the UK, we've been
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  surrounded by these festivities, especially Halloween Christmas.
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  And perhaps we've part taken or being influenced by the people
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  around us are friends maybe in family as well.
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  So, I think it's, I think it's It's important to strike a
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  balance because I think if you personally I feel if you
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  completely shut the idea out that raises more questions and
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  it, it's then you start saying, well kind of like why why?
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  Yeah, why is he keep it? Why is it being kept away from
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  me? Like it's not that bad, you
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  know, my friends are giving each other gifts.
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  That's good. You know, people are spreading
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  Joy. That's good.
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  So it's finding I think an understanding of, you know, what
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  does Christmas stand for and even on that that point is so
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  Lee dispute is it is it? Is it Christian?
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  Is it Christianity? You know what?
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  Perfect nice actually born on innocent 25th of December.
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  So you know it's very confusing and then you know I mean Shake
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  Google says a lot of things about you know some of the
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  Traditions that have been introduced over the centuries
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  and things like Christmas trees, Christmas wreaths, you know, you
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  know Turkey all of these things have all been sort of influences
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  from You know, Pagan Traditions. So I think it's a holiday now
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  that has many meanings and it means something different to a
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  lot of different people. Yeah.
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  And so it's, yeah. I think it's finding that
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  balance as, as Muslims. Okay.
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  What is our stance on it and how can we inform our kids about?
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  There are positives that I would say and we'll probably go on to
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  speak about that but what are the negatives of it?
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  And how do we combat the negatives that come with that?
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  With our children but also, you know, with ourselves, but we're
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  not immune to. So say, let me ask you based on
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  all of that because I think that was like a mere six summary
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  mashallah, really good overview. But what Hussein said?
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  He's like if you shut anything out.
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  Yeah, your kids will ask questions and it might tempt
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  them more. I think, for anything in Islam,
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  which you avoid talking about, or you shut out, if anything
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  that forbidden nature or that taboo, nature of the thing will
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  draw your children too. Was it more.
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  So if you look at drugs or music or talk to the opposite, gender
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  or alcohol or anything generally speaking, your kids are going to
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  think, you know, what's the problem?
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  Especially, like you said, in terms of Christmas, I'm having
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  fun. I'm in school.
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  I'm getting gifts from my friends and it's finally we go,
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  we get holidays. I'm on dresses are pits.
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  So let me ask you because obviously, you said, you're
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  keeping your kids that off limits?
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  Yeah. How what's that?
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  Sound keeping them off limits. Yeah, I'm not shutting them away
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  from the crisper. Festive thing?
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  Yeah, that's at home. There's no such thing as
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  Christmas of calling me, so you so do you live your life?
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  Normally based, life is normally done is just as you mentioned
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  earlier, is just that any other bad quality, nice holiday for
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  us. And it's also a time where no
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  one's actually working for the whole family is together.
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  Hundreds a nice time of the year, this Christmas and my
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  children stays at school that and that?
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  Yeah, and that's something I grew up.
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  I grew up in the UK. I've been, you know, came in
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  1992 by one school from. I don't know.
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  T5 or something, and have it all the way until 6 wall.
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  There was always every single yet on either Like A Christmas
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  Carol being sung at school. Yeah.
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  Those for example, you know, as kids, Christmas plays every
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  adult be like, Christmas Foods, Christmas lunch, whoever is and
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  celebrations, Christmas cards. All this was part of the noon,
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  but I knew growing up as a kid from my parents under Le that's
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  Christmas. You just do not take it too,
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  serious. Okay, it's not why Russia and
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  selling. That's what our culture tells
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  us, right? Is that something I'll culture.
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  Uh, so does religion, tell us that?
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  What do you mean? What's your question like, for
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  example, the trees and, and this and that this is something that
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  Christians do only which is what you said is that something that
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  our culture has told us to follow or does religion?
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  Say you can't practice Christmas.
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  Yeah. And your religion doesn't say
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  you can't practice Christmas, but you can't.
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  Ya believe in Christmas. Okay.
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  Okay, one. I'm not saying when I say you
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  can't practice Krishna, I don't mean you can have a tree on hold
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  up against one of that way because Christmas in itself.
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  Is celebrating who I saw that. Yeah.
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  For example, correct. Yeah.
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  I suspect no one cares about right now, that's the whole
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  point of it. That's the thing, my own
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  perspective. They are believing that that's
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  the day. Jesus was born and the
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  Christians, nowadays is the Son of God, that's associating upon
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  Obama's policy. So if we're celebrating his
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  birthday on that day was completely wrong as Muslims.
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  I don't know. No, I didn't know, I get where
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  you're coming from, what does sound boring?
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  But it's the truth. But I think, I mean, on ackman's
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  point regarding whether, you know, I think, I think we just
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  to make it, clear, we're not here telling people they can or
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  cannot sorry Christmas, it's just, you know, raising our
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  points, our ideas and then and then having a conversation about
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  it. I mean, in terms of, you know,
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  everyone, you know, follows a mirage in most cases, do you
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  know what are y'all the maharajah say?
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  Say say on this matter. Okay, so I'm just going to check
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  what said I need to start. He says, he says, all Muslims.
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  This is what a question. There's a commonwealth officer.
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  Yeah, a couple of questions I've been sent in almost comes
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  allowed to celebrate Christmas to be more specific on Muslims
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  allowed to set up Christmas trees in their homes.
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  Give gifts to their Muslim family members within the
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  household. Also are Muslims allowed to hang
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  Christmas, tree lights in their homes and other form of
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  Christmas observances such as having parties and Christmas
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  dinners, which to me, sounds like a full-on.
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  This is Everything that's Chris everybody.
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  Yes, dinners parties. Yeah, say Stanley says, in the
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  name of Allah, if it's considered preaching and
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  confirming. Another person's religion.
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  It is not permissible if it is, considered preaching and
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  confirming other's religion. It's not permissible similar
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  question. Someone else says, what's the
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  rule on giving Christmas, presents says, if it's
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  considered a kind of confirmation or approval of
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  their faith, it's not allowed. And there's so many others about
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  New Year and the like, you know what I mean?
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  Like we were discussing as long as you're not, you know,
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  affirming a faith or a, you know, an idea or an ideology.
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  Then then it's okay that the actual, you know, getting
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  together and having a meal, giving someone a gift in and of
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  itself isn't, you know, her Ang yeah.
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  So it's just that when associating it with the faith or
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  with that tradition is when the waters get murky I guess.
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  So yeah, I think I mean, take it as you as you want and I think
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  there are there are many scholars have spoken.
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  A I know there's Shake Haley has this these short clips as well
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  which was something I came across?
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  I think. Yeah, which sort of just, yeah,
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  it's sort of just gives you a bite-sized version of, you know,
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  whether it's celebrating is right or wrong but I mean
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  personally, you know, growing up as a family less.
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  So, Now, obviously, we're, you know, I'm a bit older, but when
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  we were younger and my cousins were younger, we would gather
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  other our house, or my uncle's house and we just have a dinner
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  together. Some of the cousins, we probably
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  hadn't seen in a while so it was a good opportunity.
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  Know, most people are fat off work or at least have a few days
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  off. So, it was, it was a nice
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  opportunity for everyone to get together, you know, spend time
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  together catch up on how the years been, but it was not like
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  there was no Spruce trees, there was no gift giving.
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  However, now, it now, some of my cousins and, you know, people, I
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  see, it's very common to give their gifts gifts to their kids,
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  but it is getting this Christmas period.
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  There's gonna be, I would, I would go as far as to guest, you
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  know, like 30 40 percent of our community or even the listeners
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  at home. Sorry, guys, to bring you into
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  this but I think a lot of people will put up trees.
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  Yeah, and they'll give gifts at the end of Of the day.
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  It's a very very fine line to draw.
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  And I think the most important thing is my humble opinion is
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  that that's fine. Okay, fine.
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  Let's say you do these practices but what is your priority as a
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  parent for example, or even as just someone who lives in the
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  house? Is it to prioritize?
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  Things like that. Like it's time for solar but
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  you've got, you put the Christmas tree decorations up as
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  on like their book. There comes a point where it
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  doesn't kick fully with how we think as Muslims.
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  And then, for example, in it, comes to the time read.
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  Like you mentioned said, what do we prioritize more?
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  Okay, we go for its Allah in the morning.
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  The men mostly in our community will go and you might dress up
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  and okay, then what do you know what I mean?
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  So a lot of the time now we because we live in a secular,
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  Western says, they should as well.
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  We've ended up prioritizing Christmas as a holiday season
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  because everywhere we go, we send emails and at work, and the
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  signatures all Christmas replies, and then you go to the
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  shops and there's Christmas decorations.
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  You turn on the radio and it's Christmas music.
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  And You're surrounded by it and then your kids and your family
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  will grow up ingrained with that culture.
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  You can about lucky man. Yeah, actually signed one off.
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  Wishing you, a happy festive season and that once I did as
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  well. Yeah,
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  it's about respecting their values.
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  You know, being here. Yeah, we I think we should also
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  be grateful being in the West, for example.
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  Yeah. At the same time, we can't say,
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  you know, what you doing is wrong, that's the norm, that's
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  the culture. That's their faith, for example.
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  So there's nothing wrong. Harmon, greeting them with
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  Seasons. Greeting, for example.
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  Yeah, best to come wish them. A merry Christmas.
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  I think it's a big question, okay.
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  I generally trust this job. There's gonna be dilemmas on
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  that guys. Hit the comments.
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  Tell us what you think is it, hot are Mo, not even Harem, is
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  it wrong to tell someone Merry Christmas and hit that subscribe
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  button while listening. Look if you're telling you a
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  Christian never married, Christmas go for it.
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  Okay. If you're telling your Muslim
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  neighbor of your telling you ignore you telling your auntie
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  or whoever is free, all family. Merry Christmas.
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  That's shocking, really? Yeah.
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  I've been, it makes sense. So if you're buying a Christmas
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  gift, if you're buying back your wife, a Christmas gift, I do.
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  I mean it's called on this, if if you had a Christian family,
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  singing Mubarak to each other. E by saying as a part of the
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  society that where they that we're trying to hook for.
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  I mean, in the west, as Muslims were always calling for you.
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  No respect of diversity, respect of, you know, each other's
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  beliefs. So, I mean, I think, I think we
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  sometimes forget that. Okay, fine.
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  There are a lot of things that are associated with Christmas
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  that perhaps we don't necessarily, you know, aligned
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  with. But there are many things, you
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  know, that I think are, you know, beautiful.
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  So about this time of year, especially in the western world.
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  I mean it's one of the times of the years that I think
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  especially in the west, you know, the Western culture that
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  people get together as families. Yeah.
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  Within our within our culture's, you know, Arab you know,
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  cordial, Pakistani. Whatever it may be.
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  It's quite common that family. Gatherings are quite often.
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  Yeah. Whereas I think I'm, you know,
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  I'm just going based off my experiences of living here.
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  They're not as common Within. Western culture.
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  But this time of year is a time that they, you know, people get
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  together, they will call up there.
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  You know, they aren't you there, Uncle their Grandma.
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  They want that. Yeah, you know and I how you
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  know how you doing and they'll probably try and get together
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  and I think we saw him come over time.
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  Yeah, during the covid time, you know, it was a really big, you
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  know, is a struggle for people and they realized and
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  appreciated that. How much Christmas meant to them
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  in terms of getting together? Forget the gifts and, you know,
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  Santa and all that So I think that part is is beautiful in the
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  sense that it reminds us as human beings that we're not.
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  You know, we're not individuals. We only survive and thrive as as
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  a collective. So I think that's a beautiful
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  part. Another part that I really think
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  is, you know, special is this time of year, you know, charity
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  is is a little bit more predominant within the Western
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  Society. So people doing things for, you
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  know, raising money for, you know, during the Christmas
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  period. It, you know, I don't know
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  running in a Santa outfit. Running a marathon for a charity
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  or things like that that you see so fundraising Etc.
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  It's also another Divine times. If you don't interrupt in the
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  values of like it together, your family or giving charity is
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  something we can learn from. Yeah, I don't think it's
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  something we can learn from. I think it's obviously you can
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  learn from it. I think it's something that I'll
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  handle all within our faith within our culture.
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  It's kind of there. But what I'm saying is a
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  society, it's a time of year where people perhaps nicer to
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  each other. I mean, if you go into a shop,
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  someone was, you know, the cashier will say, you know, have
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  a nice Christmas and a happy New Year.
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  Yeah. Otherwise it's like pay for your
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  stuffing, you know, Gap, the line.
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  Yeah. I mean so what I mean what I'm
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  trying to get at I guess is that, you know, it's a time of
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  year where people, I think a bit more appreciative of their
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  families of their surroundings of what they have and they, you
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  know, like, and to give and receive gifts.
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  I mean, it's La mclee giving a If than receiving you know it's
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  always not an Islamic think it's not understand like thing story.
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  Are we doing down on eight? So I think I think it's becoming
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  more common and I don't know if you guys have seen in the past
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  couple of years, people were starting to hang up these eat
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  moons. Have you seen them?
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  Yeah, these Moon. So I mean it's finding a way of
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  you know, bringing a balance but also maintaining like we said I
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  think it's just another day bright like the thing is we Liv.
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  Why is Christmas so popular? Yeah.
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  It's because it's so ingrained in the culture that you see
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  everywhere, every single year, there's like 100 new Christmas
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  films that come out, for example.
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  Yeah, cartoons, kids shows all of that stuff babies like shows
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  on YouTube and all of that stuff.
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  If it's, if you're talking about toys, you're talking about music
• 19:20
  wherever it is, you find it everywhere.
• 19:22
  So, because it's so ingrained in pop culture and like, Western
• 19:25
  culture, very common birth to death.
• 19:26
  Yes, They commercialize that basically appeals to everyone
• 19:30
  becomes find it becomes attractive, as colorful as
• 19:32
  exciting. Now, when you talk about heed,
• 19:35
  as an example, we it doesn't have that same appeal, maybe
• 19:38
  it's because we don't, I think all.
• 19:41
  Nah, bro, doesn't it doesn't, it doesn't to the people.
• 19:45
  It does. It's cool and its nature.
• 19:47
  It doesn't appeal to the people. You mean to people who are not
• 19:49
  Muslim, no, no evil. I mean, even to people who are
• 19:52
  not Muslim. Be, I'm talking about
• 19:53
  specifically like Muslim youth, okay?
• 19:55
  Muslim children, you know, Maybe it's because we don't have
• 19:58
  Muslim toys and Muslim music and some shows like that.
• 20:01
  I think. Yes, the commercialized part,
• 20:03
  sorry to interrupt but I think the fact that these holidays are
• 20:06
  so commercialized. It's so in your face.
• 20:08
  It's so jazzed up. Yeah, it's very hot Escape, like
• 20:13
  we said. Whereas either generally is
• 20:18
  more, you know, prayers and then family time and perhaps some
• 20:24
  families give gifts, I mean, within our families.
• 20:27
  The kids always get gifts. So yeah, but I think, I
• 20:32
  definitely think it's the commercialize aspect to the, you
• 20:34
  know, the the music, the music, the movies.
• 20:36
  I mean, elf is that the greatest Christmas movie?
• 20:40
  Anyone home alone? Yeah, now it's definitely out.
• 20:43
  But yeah, I don't know if that counts as a Christmas movie,
• 20:50
  really? Yeah.
• 20:51
  I mean, it's just in Christmas time.
• 20:53
  Yeah. That's a Christmas film.
• 20:54
  But yeah. Okay.
• 20:56
  Yeah, what will get on? To the movie debate layup.
• 20:58
  But yeah, no, I think it's the lack of the commercialization
• 21:02
  but also do do you think it's do you think it would be a good
• 21:06
  idea if we start to? Now commercialize easy to try
• 21:09
  and appease the needs of the Youth of today because the Youth
• 21:12
  of today, I feel you know they're so attracted to their
• 21:15
  devices their phones. If things aren't in the face
• 21:18
  constantly if they're not constantly stimulated I mean it
• 21:20
  happens to me and I'm not I wouldn't consider myself you
• 21:23
  know extremely young. You know, we're constantly
• 21:28
  looking for stimulation and he's probably isn't, you know, overly
• 21:31
  stimulating from the way we traditionally do it.
• 21:35
  Are we risking the the that perhaps in 10, 20 years, you
• 21:38
  know, either is no longer. What either is?
• 21:41
  Now, is that a good thing? Is that a bad thing?
• 21:44
  You know, because for Christians, I'm sure there's
• 21:45
  Christians out there who probably feel like, they're
• 21:48
  Christian holidays now being morphed into something that it
• 21:52
  wasn't. Yeah, it's not even a question.
• 21:55
  The the, you know, are running honor ring of Jesus.
• 21:58
  Honoring of his family origin is Noah, it's orange portal.
• 22:02
  Yeah, I've just because it's lost some Christian value.
• 22:06
  Yes. Doesn't mean that every no of
• 22:07
  course? Yeah but I mean when you think
• 22:09
  of Christmas now it's not a it's not a Christian holiday anymore
• 22:14
  and it's practice. She's like in this Theory and
• 22:16
  its origin. Yeah.
• 22:17
  Of course you know but what Hussein saying about the future
• 22:21
  of Islamic holidays, like it I mean firstly I don't ever
• 22:25
  personally speaking unless you live in a Muslim country, I
• 22:28
  don't foresee a time where it becomes like a non-muslim world
• 22:31
  and everyone in the country celebrate, doesn't it doesn't
• 22:33
  work like that here, but the point being is that my opinion
• 22:37
  like yeah, you've got to stimulate, we have to stimulate
• 22:39
  our children. We have system that our
• 22:40
  communities because we're going to people lose interest.
• 22:43
  It's as simple as that, should move on to a new topic.
• 22:46
  So I wanted to ask specifically on this Isa alaihi Salam things.
• 22:51
  Yeah, how do you feel about this?
• 22:54
  Because there's a lot of people who Like Muslims who say it's
• 23:00
  fine. Celebrity justify.
• 23:02
  Yeah, it's justification. How's that make you feel?
• 23:06
  I think they're misguided and that common sense because for
• 23:08
  most common sense, that's the magpie.
• 23:11
  Okay. Yeah, he's not born on the 24th
• 23:16
  of December Aslam Aslam actually he's not.
• 23:27
  It's actually concurred that it's on the 25th.
• 23:30
  I think it again, Shake Google, but I believe it was a holiday
• 23:37
  that was present around the Roman times and then it sort of
• 23:40
  bled in and, and so like we were discussing, you know, a lot of
• 23:45
  traditions, have sort of merged together.
• 23:47
  It's no longer held the revenants of, you know, you
• 23:52
  know, the prophet of God has been born on this day.
• 23:54
  It's so I think, as much Possums, though.
• 23:58
  I think showing a lack of respect whether we believe in
• 24:04
  all Christians views of prophet, Isa alaysalam as the Son of God.
• 24:08
  For example, obviously, we don't agree with that but by, you
• 24:13
  know, completely dismissing it or are we also then, you know,
• 24:18
  dishonoring, you know how fellow brothers, you know, I'll follow
• 24:22
  abrahamic Brothers, you know, you know, in the fact that
• 24:26
  they're Ring, you know, a prophet of Allah.
• 24:29
  So I think it's show respect, show kindness.
• 24:32
  Or what about? That's that's to know.
• 24:34
  Non-muslims. Yeah, there are Muslims who are
• 24:38
  not fully justification justifying.
• 24:39
  It is an excuse for not doing the same for most of, for
• 24:43
  example, in fact that I don't do it for us.
• 24:45
  Allah. I said I'll be very honest with
• 24:47
  you. I have seen Muslims from my own
• 24:49
  Community. Yeah, they'll pop up.
• 24:51
  That have a tree. Cut the turkey crack the
• 24:54
  crackers. Yeah, a lot of the be lots of
• 24:57
  living. A job silent.
• 24:58
  Yeah, nothing. That's very true.
• 25:00
  That's what's happening. Yeah.
• 25:02
  Community is finished. Honestly, I mean we've got so
• 25:05
  like that's what I mean. Don't let Christmas come at
• 25:07
  home? Yeah, not I mean let the bird to
• 25:10
  be honest. If not a lot of people like me
• 25:13
  and you guys as well we love to celebrate things.
• 25:15
  Okay. And I think in our Core last
• 25:17
  year that's that's something that's in us that we love
• 25:20
  celebration but we have so many muscle mean they him Salam.
• 25:25
  We have 49 degrees today. Salam.
• 25:27
  How many will add do? We got fire braids?
• 25:29
  We got five more leads. We have drama once a week which
• 25:32
  is we cut size 8 in our school of thought.
• 25:34
  But generally speaking, there's so much to celebrate.
• 25:37
  We have so many things to be grateful for.
• 25:39
  And if you want to talk about a mathematically, we're having
• 25:42
  Christmas, like will add art and, and celebrations, at least
• 25:46
  once, every three weeks and a calendar year.
• 25:48
  Think of it like that because you've got more than Twelve
• 25:51
  imams, you know what I mean? As in more than 12 months.
• 25:54
  So mean, and then obviously you've got the AIDS.
• 25:56
  I love that one. Has more than one of my
• 25:58
  celebration? Yeah.
• 25:59
  Yeah. I mean so Christmas is just like
• 26:02
  it's become a secular thing. Yeah.
• 26:03
  Except it okay. Fine.
• 26:05
  In my opinion like like, you know, respect it except the fact
• 26:09
  that other people celebrate. That's it to me to me, honestly,
• 26:11
  it's like Halloween. Okay, honestly, I know people go
• 26:14
  celebrate it. You know, they were, they want
• 26:17
  to go face pain or drink the alcohol everywhere happens on
• 26:19
  Halloween treat. I was going to bring the example
• 26:23
  now, even my daughter talks over the no trick-or-treating.
• 26:25
  Yeah. But if someone comes knocking,
• 26:30
  Don't turn that now I'm gonna give them candy.
• 26:32
  They're not here yet but we're not going to go out there trick
• 26:34
  or treat. Yeah the difference.
• 26:35
  Yeah no accepting and understanding was happy at
• 26:37
  around you completely different than going to doing it yourself.
• 26:40
  I think this is gonna be a divisive podcast, not gonna lie.
• 26:43
  I think people guys at home, if let us know how you feel, hit
• 26:45
  the comments, tell us how I feel.
• 26:47
  Do you go? Trick-or-treating do celebrate
• 26:49
  these things. I don't want what?
• 26:51
  I want me to make it even more. Controversial, sorry guys, I
• 26:54
  mean, I'm sure you guys all saw. I'm sure the viewers saw Or as
• 26:57
  well, the posts about in Saudi Arabia.
• 27:02
  They celebrated their first Halloween festival, people
• 27:07
  dressed as witches and wizards and it's very commonly see, you
• 27:12
  know, literally less than an hour drive or couple of hours
• 27:15
  drive from the Harem. They went above and beyond more
• 27:18
  than a. And so it raises a question.
• 27:21
  This is you know like we were talking about earlier, you know,
• 27:25
  are we are we Manipulating our own faith, our own culture to
• 27:30
  try and fit into the Western ideology and can that then bleed
• 27:34
  into our other things. Like I would either things, I
• 27:37
  think this conversation go forever.
• 27:39
  There's so many like counter-arguments there because
• 27:41
  obviously I'm students for example, a lot of them were
• 27:43
  larger, may say if you're not quite if your if your religion
• 27:47
  is not in question then it's fine.
• 27:48
  But it is Ariana me how a city or the you know the country
• 27:54
  where the Prophet brought the message of Islam to I We're
• 27:57
  celebrating a pagan holiday. All I'm saying, is I think
• 27:59
  there's going to be a lot of people who will say what's the
• 28:02
  problem. If I'm having a nice time, my
• 28:04
  kids having a nice time and we're taking part in society's
• 28:07
  Norms, you know? I mean without having to shake
• 28:09
  my belief or my religions, you know, what is it about?
• 28:12
  Building is, I think it's about building respect understanding.
• 28:16
  That's that's that's what we want to instill in our children.
• 28:19
  In the Youth of Tomorrow is respect and understanding not.
• 28:23
  Let's follow the Sheep. You know, not follow each other
• 28:26
  like cattle. I think it's and I think that
• 28:29
  will grow, you know, grow our community into the leaders of
• 28:34
  the world if we're not just following the Norms of what
• 28:37
  everyone's doing around us but be aware of what's going on
• 28:40
  around you. I think it's yeah it don't be a
• 28:42
  sheep, you know, unless I understand respect you know.
• 28:51
  So yeah it's I think it's affecting so I think that's why
• 28:59
  I was invited on this project. This is like a scale of the
• 29:03
  beard left for that. Remember, that guy's a few years
• 29:06
  ago we went out meet her saying and this is when I was like, you
• 29:10
  know, not as blessed as I'm not armed.
• 29:12
  Hopefully in our early 20s, I really really had like a light
• 29:16
  stubble and we took a picture three of us and her put her
• 29:19
  saying put on this around captioned it be as skilled 0 0
• 29:22
  to 100 and I think that applies today as well but surely he's
• 29:26
  got her goat beard. Wash Allah, but ya know, I think
• 29:30
  I think the wisdom. No, I think it's an interesting
• 29:35
  topic and it's definitely something I've discussed with,
• 29:38
  you know, friends family in the past and I mean, it can be
• 29:43
  divisive as we've already realized.
• 29:46
  But yeah. I mean, where, I mean, what
• 29:48
  else, what other things do you think it's factoring?
• 29:50
  I mean, for example, let's talk about this year.
• 29:52
  Specifically, part of the fact that for Tamir.
• 29:54
  Yeah, you know, is fooling with Thin this Christmas period, does
• 29:59
  it not then? Highlight to us the fact that,
• 30:03
  you know, the fact that our months are based on the lunar
• 30:05
  calendar and obviously the Western calendars is the solar
• 30:08
  calendar that if we're not prioritizing our own faith, then
• 30:14
  this will have it's not going to be the only time, you know, that
• 30:16
  far Tamia or perhaps a Muharram or, you know, you know, Ramadan
• 30:21
  maybe falling during this period.
• 30:23
  Know how are we gonna, how are we going to adjust?
• 30:25
  How can we say to our kids one? We're going to have a tree.
• 30:28
  We're going to have turkey. We're going to have this.
• 30:30
  We're going to have presents. And then next year, or by the
• 30:32
  way, we can't do it now because there's part of me.
• 30:34
  A. Yeah, I mean, how does that make
• 30:36
  sense? So yeah, that's like another
• 30:39
  thing. How?
• 30:39
  I mean, I know, I know of mushrooms that I've already got
• 30:42
  Christmas trees in the house, like, and then you're going to
• 30:44
  go to mosque for. I don't know.
• 30:47
  I mean, like, I'm not here to say whatever.
• 30:49
  I mean, I've been to my work Christmas dinner.
• 30:52
  So I'm just gonna put out their tracker.
• 30:55
  What, to be fair my My manager is a shi'a Muslims so so I was
• 31:01
  like it's alright. It's alright.
• 31:02
  It's a it's a it's a Muslim one, but yeah, not obviously catering
• 31:07
  to the staff that we have. Not everyone's a Muslim.
• 31:09
  So of course, you know you, you know, it's a time of year again
• 31:13
  that you give back to the people that, you know, that you work
• 31:16
  with and so nice time to spend together.
• 31:18
  So, but yeah, I like to mention the point of the our calendars
• 31:23
  clashing. Yeah.
• 31:24
  And I remember the couple of years ago, And Iraq.
• 31:28
  The entire world, the entire crew.
• 31:30
  She has an article through the churches a lot.
• 31:32
  Did not celebrate Christmas. Why?
• 31:34
  Wow are buying it clashed on their binding?
• 31:37
  Wow, I'll respect. That's about the biggest holiday
• 31:46
  that biggest season. Shout out to them mashallah.
• 31:49
  I mean, that should be a lesson to us, know here.
• 31:52
  Yeah, the fact that, you know, Christians who like we said
• 31:56
  their main Go ahead like for us, his Prophet Muhammad their main
• 32:00
  figurehead is probably the prophet Isa.
• 32:02
  So the fact that they can respect, you know, other
• 32:05
  people's culture, you know within the society they live.
• 32:10
  But again I think that's a respect of the society they live
• 32:13
  in. So I think it's for us as well
• 32:15
  as respecting the society we live in but having, you know,
• 32:19
  forming those those boundaries and those berries that
• 32:22
  understanding, I'm sure they would have had to explain to
• 32:24
  their children that, you know what?
• 32:26
  We live in this country here, you know, Aslam is the product
• 32:31
  problem predominant, religion and we respect our neighbors, we
• 32:35
  live together in harmony and so when it's, you know, a sad time
• 32:39
  for them, we're there for them when it's a happy time for them
• 32:42
  where they're from them and vice versa.
• 32:43
  Oh yeah. So you know that's a beautiful
• 32:46
  thing. I didn't know that.
• 32:47
  So yeah yeah. No of course I mean I mean if
• 32:50
  anyone's on sure we're recording this before faster mirror.
• 32:53
  Yeah that narration. So we are entering of course for
• 32:56
  That phase where Majora. This will start in a few days
• 32:59
  time and the Christmas isn't Christmas is still a few days
• 33:03
  away for us as well but it's important conversation to have
• 33:05
  from now because you know you're at that phase now everyone plans
• 33:09
  you know they're coming week and so on and we're recording on a
• 33:11
  Monday. So you start to think like you
• 33:14
  know what's going to happen this week.
• 33:15
  This weekend either go in modulus, we will celebrate
• 33:18
  Christmas or some people both maybe you know and its identity
• 33:23
  thing a big part of what we talked about the podcasters
• 33:25
  identity you know your Your religious, your spiritual, your
• 33:29
  social identity, all of these things.
• 33:31
  And this is a classic example of how hard it is.
• 33:35
  To be a Muslim in the west. That's that's what aftermarket
• 33:38
  rims about. It's about, we examine the
• 33:40
  challenges that Muslims face in the west, so we make it a lot.
• 33:44
  Come on program is easy. Its time is easier to have two
• 33:47
  topics like this. Yeah I think we are sometimes
• 33:49
  overcomplicate things. Yeah but I think like at a point
• 33:53
  just came to my head. I mean you know it doesn't it
• 33:56
  all come down to that I intention right?
• 33:58
  And here we do in Islam if you're yeah if you're near is
• 34:02
  not correct, it's not in the right place then there's no
• 34:05
  fruit in the action that you're doing.
• 34:07
  So as long as I near is clear, we're you know affirming that,
• 34:11
  you know, if you follow Satan's tyranny, you know I'm not doing
• 34:14
  XYZ or not doing x y z. Because I feel like it may or
• 34:18
  may not mean that I'm promoting or engaging with another
• 34:24
  religions belief system or in this case sometimes Pagan belief
• 34:28
  systems as long as the near is there, then I think it's it
• 34:35
  comes down to the individual. As long as you're not
• 34:37
  compromising your faith Islam has to come first.
• 34:41
  And if that's if that's the bottom line, then you decide
• 34:44
  Yeah, as long as you are, 100% sure that find if I do these
• 34:49
  things, Islam isn't coming. Second if you can truly say that
• 34:52
  to yourself, then fine. Yeah, but if you are starting to
• 34:55
  say, well, no, I'm actually compromising a bit on, you know,
• 34:58
  my stomach beliefs, because I'm not going to go to this party me
• 35:01
  and much less because I want to have turkey and and whatever
• 35:05
  with my friends and family, I don't know.
• 35:08
  I mean, not everyone has to go to mosque.
• 35:10
  I'm not saying that, but you can do you get where I'm coming
• 35:12
  from? Everyone should go.
• 35:15
  Yeah. I mean we're possible obviously
• 35:16
  not everyone has their own situation but yeah.
• 35:19
  No. I understand what you mean.
• 35:20
  Yeah, I think it's my chili has been eye-opening conversation.
• 35:24
  I've interest is been interesting, very interesting.
• 35:26
  I kind of feel more confused now than I did before.
• 35:29
  It was interesting, that all three of us have complete like
• 35:32
  different understanding to Christmas.
• 35:34
  Like, how is? Yeah, well, I'd end of the day,
• 35:36
  minimum in, in says, and we might for lunch.
• 35:38
  Yeah, yeah. Know, 100% that likewise, but,
• 35:41
  like you said, I'm saying, mahasabha has about, like, doing
• 35:44
  that. Self countability is very
• 35:45
  important. We know better.
• 35:46
  What we need says, remember Allah before during and after
• 35:48
  every action and it's not just your day to day minute by minute
• 35:52
  actions, but also your practices, you know, generally
• 35:55
  so if when you're deciding what to do and this goes faster as
• 35:59
  well and everyone at home, make sure you think about what you do
• 36:02
  before you do it. You know, it's a simple thing,
• 36:04
  it's easier said than done of course.
• 36:06
  But inshallah, we can put it all into practice and wherever you
• 36:09
  are around the world and Charlotte made this coming
• 36:12
  season of family time. And also So morning and learning
• 36:16
  and growth and development shalaby, one of blessing for you
• 36:19
  and for your family, you know, this is an opportunity we can
• 36:22
  find a way to. I think, collaborate that family
• 36:25
  and charitable side of Christmas with fought them here because of
• 36:28
  course, there's so many things that that go hand in hand, you
• 36:31
  know, the message say the vitamins are asking Allah Allah.
• 36:34
  And of course the family time and all of that stuff is like
• 36:38
  for like, you know yeah and you lost come and said they doing
• 36:42
  anything for your Christian Neighbors.
• 36:45
  To be really honest. I haven't thought about to be
• 36:48
  frank. I mean me, but I wouldn't mind.
• 36:50
  So, I mean I would happily I don't think I'd go out of my way
• 36:53
  to buy gifts in the past. I definitely wish them handed
• 36:55
  out cards work. You do it's like my rhyming
• 37:03
  drinks. He's saying that drink.
• 37:04
  He's quite a few of our neighbors came and gave us.
• 37:07
  Yeah, of course. Yeah so yeah.
• 37:09
  So yeah I think it's just returning.
• 37:11
  The favor showing hearts chocolate sits.
• 37:13
  It goes a long. Long way.
• 37:15
  It's a small gesture of respect. So yeah, goes a really long way,
• 37:19
  but no Christmas wreath. Do anything in front of your
• 37:22
  door? No.
• 37:22
  No. No plans with me and shall line.
• 37:27
  So we'll learn. Hopefully, this time next year,
• 37:30
  we will have this conversation again, shut the door.
• 37:33
  Yeah. Yeah, our guys hit that
• 37:36
  subscribe button. Enter the giveaway.
• 37:37
  Don't forget and inshallah. We will see you next week or
• 37:40
  somebody come. All right before I end saying,
• 37:43
  thank you very much. I think savings we did.
• 37:46
  Thank you say, well, I know thank you for coming.
• 37:52
  Honestly, it's been delightful. No, I've enjoyed it.
• 37:55
  It was, it was nice to have a sort of more relaxed, relaxed
• 37:59
  ish chat. Obviously it's an interesting
• 38:03
  topic and you know, can go on forever because there's all your
• 38:05
  more serious person than you more stories than your serious
• 38:08
  here today. No, when I move on, whenever I'm
• 38:10
  in front of the camera, I don't know.
• 38:12
  I'm a bout with no from the cameras in Then I'm a bit more
• 38:15
  chilled. Yeah, Justin, I used to live
• 38:18
  together. You want to let the listeners.
• 38:19
  Not. Yeah.
• 38:20
  We have to restart this podcast of our five minutes in why?
• 38:23
  Cuz they can't be together guys. I'm just saying right here.
• 38:27
  Right now, this guy was saying but Dolly, Masha Allah, he's the
• 38:31
  gem of a human being, but we have shed Too Many Memories in
• 38:37
  life that it's it's just crazy, you know, outside of Christmas.
• 38:41
  Yeah. Anyway guys, nice to see you.
• 38:48
  And again, thank you saying like say it and Charles will see you
• 38:51
  guys next week or something like home.