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Yesterday w/ Toby DB · Everyone's A Critic

• 0:32
  SPEAKER_05: Thank you.
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_03: Thanks for coming on.
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_05: How are you doing today?
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_05: I'm good.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I'm good.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_05: I just cycled down from home.
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_05: I live really close.
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I brought my bike.
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_05: Um I live ten minute cycle away, so it's crazy.
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_03: Great.
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_03: Especially on a day like today where it's just like I'm I'm very worried by the time we finish this.
• 0:50
  SPEAKER_03: Like, what is what the temperature is gonna be?
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_05: I know, it's kind of scary.
• 0:53
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, like yesterday evening there was like this insane thunderstorm and I woke up in like a pool of my own sweat.
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_05: Oh Jesus.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_05: Um so yeah, I arrived today kind of feeling quite weathered by the element, like quite aware of my own mortality and physicality within like geography.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_05: Do you know what I mean?
• 1:07
  SPEAKER_05: Like it's like usually in London you feel quite removed from the place in which you live because you're always on like your phone.
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_05: But today I've just been like, okay, I'm very much like a human being in the world because of this heat.
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_03: So yeah, it's it's kind of unbearable right now.
• 1:20
  SPEAKER_03: Like, and I and I'm worried because it's only going up.
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_03: I know it's fucking crazy.
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, I'm wearing crocs today out of the house.
• 1:25
  SPEAKER_05: I would never normally do that because obviously they look dreadful.
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_05: But I just I I'm just Hey, like Crocs are coming in.
• 1:31
  SPEAKER_03: Crocs are in now.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_05: Crocs crocs are kind of having a re-moment, yeah, I think.
• 1:35
  SPEAKER_05: Because obviously they had the moment when they launched, and then I think they had they had a re-moment a couple of years ago.
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_05: We're wearing like the platform crocs.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_05: You see those?
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_05: Like cool, edgy people.
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_05: I don't wear them in that way, I wear them in like a lame dad way.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_05: But they're comfy.
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_05: I need to get a I actually need to get a pair because like highly recommended just for the house.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_05: In the house, they're brilliant.
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_05: Because like a lot of people would say that this is gross, but like if you want to like quickly take the bins out.
• 1:59
  SPEAKER_03: That's exactly what I mean, yeah.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_05: I mean I I have got friends that I've told us about to before, and I said I use it to get the bins out, and they say that's wrong.
• 2:05
  SPEAKER_05: You're going back in the house and you're wearing them all around the house.
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_05: I I I hear that, but also the convenience factor of being able to just nip in and out of the house.
• 2:11
  SPEAKER_05: I will wear these crocs nine hours a day before I leave the house in the evening.
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_05: So they they they uh there's the thing.
• 2:18
  SPEAKER_03: I wouldn't wear them around the house, but I'd wear them to like take stuff out.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_05: Right, right, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_05: No, around no around the house is good as well though, because if you if you were to like drop a knife, say when you were doing some cooking, it's very protected.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_05: Chefs.
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_03: How often are you dropping knives?
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_03: Constantly, constantly, yeah.
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_05: And I've got I have very slippery knives at my house.
• 2:33
  SPEAKER_05: No, I um I chefs wear crocs.
• 2:36
  SPEAKER_05: So you can you know yeah, yeah.
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_05: Big time.
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_05: I think well, not maybe the brand croc, but you wear like uh um a protected clog, I think chefs do, yeah.
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_05: Interesting.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_05: Um so yeah.
• 2:46
  SPEAKER_03: I had no idea.
• 2:46
  SPEAKER_03: That makes so much sense though.
• 2:47
  SPEAKER_05: Have you never seen uh like a line cook what they wear on their feet?
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_05: They have like I don't really look at their feet.
• 2:53
  SPEAKER_05: I am constantly looking at their feet.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_03: I'm also like not going back there.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_03: Not going back there.
• 3:01
  SPEAKER_03: Um yeah, what you what have you been up to lately?
• 3:04
  SPEAKER_05: Um what I've been doing.
• 3:06
  SPEAKER_05: I've I just went to see my mum in Bath for the weekend, which is nice.
• 3:09
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, are you from Bath?
• 3:11
  SPEAKER_05: Um, which is good.
• 3:12
  SPEAKER_05: What else have I been doing?
• 3:13
  SPEAKER_05: Uh I've been very busy.
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_05: Um I have been working on many different projects.
• 3:18
  SPEAKER_05: Uh I have a day job that I do as well.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_05: So I've been doing a lot of that.
• 3:23
  SPEAKER_05: Um yeah, I've kind of been all over the place.
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_05: I kind of am I'm working like a dog at the moment.
• 3:28
  SPEAKER_05: I have been for the last sort of six months or so actually.
• 3:30
  SPEAKER_05: So I need to kind of chill out a bit, I think, and uh yeah, kind of cut cut down on some stuff.
• 3:35
  SPEAKER_05: I'm not quite sure what, but um yeah, no, it's been a busy period.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_05: And I'm not going on holiday this summer, which I'm very excited about.
• 3:41
  SPEAKER_05: So that's that's making that stressful period nicer.
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_05: I ended up it's an insanely privileged thing to be able to say, but I I go on holiday too much, I feel sometimes.
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_05: I feel like I'm constantly like going I don't go on like crazy extravagant holidays, like the stage shows or anything, but I'm always in like fucking Scotland or Wales or France.
• 3:57
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, okay.
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_05: With friends or whatever.
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_03: It's not crazy though.
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_05: It's like But it's just like it's like every every six weeks I feel like I'm going somewhere.
• 4:05
  SPEAKER_05: I'm just sick of it.
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_05: I just want to stay at home for a bit and just like sick of going on holiday.
• 4:09
  SPEAKER_05: I really am.
• 4:09
  SPEAKER_05: It's so like I know again, I I completely understand how awful that sounds and obnoxious and irritating and over the whatever.
• 4:15
  SPEAKER_05: I I concede that, but yeah, I'm fucking sick of it.
• 4:18
  SPEAKER_05: So I'm really looking forward to summer.
• 4:19
  SPEAKER_05: I'm not going to Glastonbury this year again.
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_05: Annoying thing.
• 4:24
  SPEAKER_05: It's not even on this year, is it?
• 4:25
  SPEAKER_05: It's not on this year, because it's falling.
• 4:26
  SPEAKER_05: I I hear how annoying I sound, by the way.
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_05: But um and I've been for the last few years because I luckily got tickets.
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_03: Um and I'm really happy to not be going because again, it's just like I mean, that is yeah, it's so exhausting.
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_03: That must be exhausting.
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_03: I I've only even done like day festivals.
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_03: I can't even I can't even like imagine the idea of doing it.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, you look at your like um step counts and it's like 40,000 per day for like five days, and it's yeah, it's it's completely exhausting.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_03: Uh right, yeah, I just couldn't do it.
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_03: I I just can't I don't have the energy to do that anymore.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_05: Uh are you going to any festivals this summer?
• 4:57
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 4:57
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not sure.
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, exactly.
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_03: I don't go to anything apart from work.
• 5:02
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I literally I go to work, I do this stuff, I go home, and then we go we'll go out to a bakery on the weekend or to the park.
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_05: And that's the trip.
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 5:13
  SPEAKER_03: That's our that's our timeout at the moment.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_03: Like we're going we're going to the theatre on Saturday.
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_03: And it's like the first time we can do anything in ages.
• 5:23
  SPEAKER_05: So like What do you think?
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_03: Hamilton.
• 5:25
  SPEAKER_05: Nice.
• 5:26
  SPEAKER_05: Alexander Hamilton.
• 5:27
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 5:27
  SPEAKER_05: It's very good.
• 5:28
  SPEAKER_05: It is.
• 5:28
  SPEAKER_05: I've seen it before.
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_05: Uh have you seen it before?
• 5:30
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I've seen it before.
• 5:31
  SPEAKER_05: I have never seen it.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_05: But my um my wife uh is a pass fit, so I I know I I kind of know most of it.
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_03: It's one of those shows that you like either know everything or you don't like you know nothing about it.
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_05: It's very is how old are you?
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_05: 37.
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, it's very you look younger than that.
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_05: It's very millennial.
• 5:49
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, it is a very millennial show.
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_05: Uh I know we know uh we all know that, but like, yeah, and it I don't know, when it first came out, I found it very exciting and now um not exciting, but like I liked it.
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_05: And now obviously the idea of Liam Manuel Miranda has he he as a concept, as a person obviously has had a slight downward trajectory over the past few years, right?
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_05: So obviously he was he was so exciting and now it's people are like his big name.
• 6:13
  SPEAKER_05: Which is a shame.
• 6:15
  SPEAKER_05: I I would go as I would defend him.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_05: I think yeah, I think it's I think that's an unfair turn.
• 6:21
  SPEAKER_05: I think just because people are a bit cringe and whatever, I don't think that detracts from his talent.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_05: I think he's prodigiously talented.
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_03: He is very talented, right?
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_03: Like and Hamilton is a very good show.
• 6:31
  SPEAKER_05: We've got to have annoying, talented people.
• 6:33
  SPEAKER_05: Exactly.
• 6:33
  SPEAKER_05: Like that's they make the world go wrong.
• 6:35
  SPEAKER_05: Annoying talent.
• 6:36
  SPEAKER_05: And there are so many of them, and that we need to be we need to be kind to them.
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_05: Like just because someone is annoying doesn't make all of their work bad.
• 6:43
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 6:43
  SPEAKER_05: It makes it less enjoyable to experience their work, but it doesn't mean it's bad.
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_03: There there are a lot of things like that where it was like Hamilton, I don't know how I'm gonna because I saw it when it came when it first came here.
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_03: And I haven't seen it since then.
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm wondering now, am I gonna feel the same about it that I did then?
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 7:00
  SPEAKER_05: Or am I gonna like you'll go and you'll you'll you'll it'll be great because it was brilliant.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_05: But um no, you will feel you'll feel a resistance in your soul to it.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_05: You will, and it will be like you will be like, why am I not quite in this as I was 10 years ago?
• 7:12
  SPEAKER_05: And it's because the culture has changed.
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, the the the way that we experience art is always changing, and that's the part of the joy of it.
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 7:19
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, like, I've so you know you it's weird that you know all the well, you say because of your wife, but like it's weird that you know all the songs, but not not you never went around to see and you were like a fan of it but didn't go and see it.
• 7:29
  SPEAKER_05: I know.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_05: I d I to be honest, I think it was just really expensive.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_05: So I was just like I was just like no, I can't be asked.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_05: Um I do quite like musicals though, I think they're fun.
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I think I think I'll take.
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I like a musical.
• 7:42
  SPEAKER_05: You like a musical?
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_03: I do, I I really like a musical.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_03: I like a I like a theatre show in general, like so.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_03: I will try and go and see stuff, but I'd like to be.
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_05: We need more straight men who are uh open to loving musicals.
• 7:53
  SPEAKER_05: I think that's uh that's a really good thing for um masculinity.
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_05: We're like the anti-HS ticky-talkies, aren't we?
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_05: By by uh admitting that.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_05: I like I like uh the sound of music.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_05: Whenever I'm uh under the weather, I will listen watch the film The Sound of Music.
• 8:09
  SPEAKER_03: Um is that your favourite musical then?
• 8:12
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I guess.
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_05: I don't know.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_05: I I probably don't know enough of them to um.
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_03: I was gonna say, because like I that's not one I would gravitate towards.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_03: Really?
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_03: That's one of the ones I don't really gravitate towards.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_05: What don't you like about it?
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_05: I just find it Nazi undertones.
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_03: No, that's my favourite part of the side.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, it's my favourite.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_03: I um I find it kind of boring.
• 8:31
  SPEAKER_03: Do you?
• 8:31
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_03: I just find it kind of boring.
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_03: That's crazy.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, fair enough.
• 8:35
  SPEAKER_03: But like Adle Vice.
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_03: It's a great song.
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_03: I think I just like I never got into it as a child, and then I think like as I Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_03: I I I think I just found it kind of annoying as a child.
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I hear that.
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_05: It's interesting as a when you as a child you notice that you find something annoying, even though when it's engineered for children.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_05: Do you know what I mean?
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_05: Like I remember being a kid and watching like I don't know, like Hey Hey Arnold.
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_05: Do you remember that show?
• 8:59
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah.
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_05: On like Cartoon Network and being like, I find this irritating.
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_05: And maybe it was annoying because it was like I was aware that it was geared towards a me as a child and I didn't like that pandering.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_05: Do you know what I mean?
• 9:10
  SPEAKER_05: Pandering is a lot, yeah, yeah.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_05: I don't know.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_05: Maybe it maybe I was just an annoying precocious child.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_03: I I loved Hey Arnold, but like.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_03: Did you?
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_05: No, it was quite good.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_05: I guess maybe that's not a good example, but I know what you mean though.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_03: Like um I'm trying to think of some examples of what I really didn't like.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, well, I mean, sound of music, but I'm trying to think of what pandered to children.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, and and and it's it's a real skill to not to still pander to children but not do it in a way that they notice.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_05: You will find this as a father as you as a child go.
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_03: I started watching Sesame Street again.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_03: Is it?
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_03: Like they do it really well.
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_03: Like they're still pandering to children, but they do it really well.
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_03: They know exactly how to do it.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_03: I actually was too young for Sesame Street.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_03: Ah.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_05: I was born in 1996.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_05: I think it finished by like around that point.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_05: Maybe.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_03: I think it's just like, yeah.
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_03: It wasn't like necessarily it was just like every so often they would show it somewhere.
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_03: And then like, yeah.
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_03: Because what channel was that on?
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_03: Because presumably it was on like I don't remember.
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_03: Was it on like American like PBS or something?
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_03: American it was BBS, yeah.
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_03: But then I don't know what it is here.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_03: Where would it be would it have been on BBC B C I presume?
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_03: I really don't remember.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_05: We must Google and find out.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_05: We must now it's on um We must find out immediately.
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_03: Now it's on Netflix though.
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_03: Is it?
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, they put it on like new series on Netflix.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_03: It was on.
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_03: ITV and BBC and ITV.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_05: Both of them, yeah.
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_05: What are you doing for the football?
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_05: What are you doing for the football tonight?
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_05: It's uh for those who are listening to this podcast many decades in the future, which I'm sure will happen.
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_05: Uh tonight is England versus Ghana in the second of three stage second of three, yeah.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_05: Sorry, group stage matches in the car.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm uh you're a football guy.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_03: Uh on and off.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_03: Like this year, the last year I haven't been able to do anything in terms of I I just can't, I don't have the time.
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_03: Again, like I don't have time to do anything, so I'm like, it's so even down to like watching these films, I'm watching them in like chunks and having to go back to like I'm like, okay, I have time to watch an hour here, an hour that's got it, got it, got it, got it, yeah.
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_03: I have to I have time to watch it on like one and a half speed.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_05: But like yeah, I I downloaded a um Chrome extension to watch uh the film that we're about to talk about.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_05: Uh because I've seen it many times, but I just wanted to have a refresh.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_05: I watched it on Times Two speed, and it really doesn't work.
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_03: Times do.
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_05: No, not actually I did watch some of it on Times 2.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_03: Just to you just want to see this on the plot.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_05: You should know where you know it, it's not very good.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_05: Um but it's not the way that the film was intended to be watched.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_03: I've watched um what did I watch it like two times?
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_03: I watched To funny enough, Tokyo Drift.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_03: Oh yeah.
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_05: Two times like even faster.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_05: They were going so quick.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_03: They went so quick.
• 11:51
  unknown: Nice.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but yeah, sometimes I just don't have the time and I'm just like, but I want to keep this going as well.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_03: And like I I love doing this, and like I I will only do that for films I know I know Inside and Out.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_05: Otherwise you will watch that.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I will watch it properly.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_03: I'll make the time to watch it properly.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_03: Nice.
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I mean it's about the investment.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_03: Um so yeah, the talk about the film we uh we hit you came to talk about today.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_03: You you wanted to talk about the film yesterday.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_03: I did.
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_03: The Danny Boyle, Richard Curtis and and somebody else.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, which is something we'll come to.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_05: We'll come to in a minute, yeah.
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_05: Um movie, which was released in 2019, I think.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_03: And it's about um a guy who gets hit by a car and then wakes up and the Beatles don't exist.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_05: You're missing a crucial plot point, which is that he gets hit by a car during a solar flare.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_05: Right?
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_05: So not only is this uh is this a wonderful rom, but it's also a sci-fi film.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, right?
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_03: Technically it's a sci-fi film.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_05: It's a real mix of genres.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_05: Um, which I think is one of its uh multitude of strengths.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_03: It's funny, like, because Richard Curtis is so it feels like he's doing a lot of those lately as well, because he did um what was the other one he did?
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_03: Uh About Time.
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_03: Is that about it?
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, About Time, yeah, yeah.
• 13:07
  SPEAKER_03: It's also like a rom-com with sci-fi.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_03: That's true.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_05: I think About Time was was really good as well.
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_05: I really like that as well.
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_05: I think it's difficult talking about Richard Curtis, isn't it?
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_05: Because he's so in all of the British psyche and every person that you speak to about him has such strong views.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_03: Um I have very yeah, I have very strong feelings about it.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_03: Go on, go on.
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I find him too I find his stuff too uh smalty.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_03: I think like he he has this certain view of the world that I don't necessarily like connect with.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_03: That um I don't know, it's it's a very like Did you grow up in London?
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_03: Uh just outside of London, but yeah, like London and then moved when I was 10 to 10.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_05: I have a theory that if you grew up inside of London, then Richard Curtis doesn't quite land for you in the same kind of way.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_05: Uh-huh.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_05: I think if you're like um middle class from the home counties, then it's like bang on the side.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_03: That's what it feels like.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_05: Right, yeah, which is what I am.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_05: Not home counties, but from Bath, which is functionally a home county.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_05: Um, yeah, um I can and I think a lot of my friends who are from London would would take the same view of Richard Curtis's as like not being representative of the England that they're growing up.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_03: That's the thing.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_03: I was like, definitely with the London vibe, I'm just like, this is not this is not the world that I I live in.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_03: This is not the world I understand.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_03: And like, yeah.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_05: I I hear that.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_05: I hear that.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_05: I think um Yeah, I don't really have I think I probably agree with you.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_03: So that's that's always been like it's I feel like especially with Love Actually.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, Love Actually.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_03: Which is an interesting one because it's like it's so London's so London's yeah, but it it feels it feels like a London.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_05: It's a London I don't know.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_05: But it's like it feels like if London was actually in the countryside, that's what it would be like.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_05: Um yeah.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_05: I think it's quite a cleverly written film though, Love Actually.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_05: Like it does the different storylines, like it is obviously a little like it's insane and ridiculous, but like it well, it does weave itself together in a kind of smart way.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_05: And the dialogue's obviously funny, right?
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, it is.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_05: He's really good at dialogue.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_03: He's very good at dialogue, he's very, very good at dialogue.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_03: I will give him that.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_03: Like I think he's a very good he's very good at like understanding the way that people speak.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_03: Or like not even the way that people speak, the but the way that it works in film.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_05: And making it like feel yeah, make yeah, just making it funny and and believable enough that it's not um that it doesn't feel ridiculous.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_05: Like that, like that film at the end of Love uh Notting Hill story when they're they're chewing out the brownie, and then they're like, oh, and then she said you know she says her story, and then they're all like nah, not good enough love.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_05: Like that's that's that's nice, that's nice writing.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, that's really good.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, and that's very that's very British as well.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_05: It is yeah, it is, yeah.
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_05: I and I actually kind of I've I worried that um I'm I'm misrepresenting myself here as like a as like an idiot by by coming with a Richard Curtis film because I don't think so.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_05: I don't know, man.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_05: I've I worried about I thought about it a bit on the way here.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_05: Like maybe I've just chosen because I like I do like quite good films.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah do you know what I mean?
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_05: Like I do like like really good films.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah I do I do like good films.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_03: I promise.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_03: I promise.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_03: But that's not the premise of this podcast.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_05: I know, man, I know.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_05: I kind of thing is I I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place, right?
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_05: Because I do think that um I think that Rich Curtis has so many strengths, brilliant in so many ways.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_05: I also am acutely aware that there are, and I think he would probably admit this as well, yeah, greater filmmakers in the world, right?
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_05: And I w I don't know, maybe I should have uh That doesn't matter though.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_05: Maybe it's fine.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_05: I think I need to.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_03: That doesn't matter at all.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_03: It's like it's whatever you personally enjoy.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_03: That's what this is.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_05: Just like the guardian, the cynical guardian reader inside of me hates um the fact that I've that I'm gonna be so praising.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_05: But maybe that's fine.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_03: What were you what what was so what were the other some of the others that you were thinking about if you had anything else in mind?
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_03: Did you have anything else in mind?
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_05: Or was this like this was just like I'm not, I would never claim to be a massive film buff.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_05: That's a that's perfectly fine.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_05: I I'm like I'm I'm quite like uh like looking at my phone.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_05: So like snip Snapchat, TikTok, Instagram.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_04: Snapchat.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, no, not Snapchat.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_05: Jeez.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_05: Nah, but like I'm not I like I like a few films, I like them a lot, but I'm not like um I'm not an encyclopedic in my film knowledge.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, listen uh I was gonna play a game with TV I'm really good at.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, okay.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_05: TV not like insanely good at, but I'm pr I'm I'm more of a TV person.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_05: I'm more of a T V person.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_05: I I find the um mental friction of I know this sounds fucking lazy and I'm like an idiot addicted to dopamine, but like I find the mental friction of like having to like start a new story every time you watch a film, like it's just like a bit of a faff.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_05: Whereas with a TV show, it's like I know all these people already, I can just run it out.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_05: Do you know what I mean?
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_05: Uh so like if if it's of an evening and I'm like, could I watch an the next episode of Sopranos or rewatch an old episode of something else, yeah, probably more likely to do that than and I've got a list of films on my phone that I want to watch that have sit sat there for a decade.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_03: Well, give me give me some of them.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_03: I wanna I want to hear some of these.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_03: Uh I'm I'm curious like what you haven't seen now.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, okay, here we go.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, uh you might talk.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_05: Um films movie list.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_05: Here we go.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, so the ones in bold I haven't seen and I really want.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_05: Cinema Paradiso.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_05: Should have seen that.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_03: That's that's a real that's like a a real step up from like to go from like, oh, I just there's there's some films I really want to see.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_03: Cinema Paradiso.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_03: Is it is a that's that's not like a like a that's a that's a pick out of it.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_05: No, no, I no no, but this is the thing you don't know about me is that I know what the good things are, but I just haven't experienced them.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_05: But that's one that's one thing.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_05: I'm on I understand the cultural touch points, but I I I know what they are, but I don't understand them at all.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_03: The funny thing about that though is it's about a kid like watching watching old films and stuff.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_03: So like the the funny thing is like that would be that's what would be me.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_05: That would be me.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_05: Very ironic.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_05: The lobster.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_05: Uh shall I keep going?
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, sure.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_05: Uh Crimes and Misdemeanours.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_05: Clute.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_05: Clute.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_05: Clute.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_05: I don't know what that is.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_05: I I just make a note of it when I see it, like in like whenever I'm like reading like an arty.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_03: So you read these are like really artsy high route films.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_05: I know man, I'm I'm an artsy high bro.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_05: Uh but I have got some ticked off.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_05: Like I ticked off um I ticked it off, I ticked it off There Will Be Blood about five years ago.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_05: So that was good.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_05: Synectaky New York, I ticked off a couple years ago.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_03: One of my favourites.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_05: Uh that's a great film.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_03: That's a really good film.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_03: Actually, they're both one of that as one of my favorites.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, no, I think there will be blood, it's coated.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_05: Um but what is next on my list, I think it's probably gonna be Oh, what's um Laha Lahaine?
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_05: Lahane.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_05: Again, like all my like edgy cool friends know about this.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_05: Lahane's great.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_05: They're like, you should watch that.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_05: And I was like, okay, I'll watch it.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_05: It's basically like a black and white French thing, right?
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_05: It's great.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_05: It's uh good.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you'll see like if you'll you'll watch that and you'll be you'll notice a lot of like stuff that was taken from that for like gangster stuff for films in the in the future years because like they they it like invented a bunch of stuff.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_03: Nice.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_03: It's really interesting, but it's um I saw that at the something to be in more potential, I saw it at the Prince Charles cinema like last year.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_05: Oh nice, yeah.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_05: I've never been there actually.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_05: People love it, though.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's great.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_03: And it's like that's a great place to see that, something like that.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_05: What's it like inside?
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_05: Uh nice noose on this.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_05: Do you want one?
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_03: No, no.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_05: Um, I've never been.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's nice.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_03: It's like inside is like a standard cinema, really, but like I guess like there's an upstairs that is smaller and then a downstairs, which is like a huge screen.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_05: But yeah, they were gonna make it into flats a few yeah they they stopped that happening, right?
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, because they're a little petition or something and they stopped.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, there was a lot of there were a lot of filmmakers that like kind of came in and stopped.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_05: I was massively in favour of making it into flats.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_05: I think London needs more flats.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, if there's anything in central London we need is more flats.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_03: Let's just get some more flats and moth club as well.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_03: Get rid of Moth Club.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_05: We just need some more flats there.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, definitely.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_05: Quickly as well, quickly as possible.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_05: Get rid of all the get rid of all the arts.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_05: All the c it's fine.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_05: You could just watch it on s on phone.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_05: On your Snapchat.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_05: On your Snapchat.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, Snapchat adverts.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_05: That's the same thing, isn't it?
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_05: Uh but Should we talk about the film?
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_05: I feel like I'm I feel like I'm um off topic.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_03: No, no, no.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_03: I I always go so off topic with this.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, so you want to ask me or should I tell you?
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_03: Tell please tell please tell the listeners uh what your history is with this.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_05: What's my history with the film?
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, so I am a big Beatles guy, always have been since a young age.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_03: I Do you remember how you got into them?
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_03: It's weird because it's the Beatles, as I was like, I know.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_05: No, it's in like I just think like every teenager does.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_05: You know, when you're like fourteen and you're like, I've heard of the Smiths, but I don't know what it is.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_05: And then I sh I want to be cool and look at it up, but then you go on like YouTube and you listen to it and you're like, Yeah, I like this because this makes this makes me cool.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_05: I think it's probably just one of those kind of things.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_05: Um I down I remember I downloaded uh well not downloaded, it was like iTunes, the uh the the they had this double album of all the maybe it was all the hits, and it was like one from all the hits from 1960 to 1967.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_05: I I remember this album, yeah.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_05: And then there was a blue one as well.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_05: I can't remember which brand it was, but yeah, or 63 or whatever.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_05: Anyway, I bought that, listened to it all, thought it was great.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_05: Um yeah, I still vividly remember listening to like some of those songs for the first time, um, and just being like, not the first time, but probably the first time I was like, Yeah, the first time you took and noticed it was who because obviously they're so fused in our culture on it, but like the first time you're like, okay, this is what this is who it's by.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_05: And you kind of attach the art to the artist.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_05: And uh yeah, obviously, it's just like the best thing.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_05: Just I think just the Beatles are the and I saw Josh Winnicom say this the other day on a podcast with um uh what's he called?
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_05: Uh the guy the rugby guy.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, Joe Marler.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_05: Joe Marley, yeah.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_05: Josh Josh Whiticom was just like, I just think the Beatles are the best thing that's ever happened in history.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_05: And I kind of I just couldn't agree more.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_05: I think that's so bang on.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_05: Um and I think the uh I think their art still holds up to this day.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I'd agree with that.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_05: And like I guess just I think it just I just re-listen to some of it just sometimes and I I listen to so much music.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_05: I'm like I'm a big music person.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_04: Right, okay.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_05: And I just I just still think it's so I think it's so much of it is so like head and shoulders above everything else.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_05: And I I I listen to like the stones sometimes just out of just comparison and curiosity.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_05: And I'm just like I think like maybe the 30th best Beatles song would be like the sixth best stone song.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I I would really agree with that.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_03: You know what I mean?
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I've never like been huge on the stones.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_03: I like I like them, but I've never been like, oh, I will go out of my way to listen to them.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_03: For sure.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_05: Whereas the Beatles are like And I'm not saying that the a lot of Stones people, if they were to hear me say that would be livid.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_05: Oh yeah, for sure.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_05: But they would fucking hate that, and I and I maybe I'm wrong because I haven't explored it probably as much.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_05: But just I just think that just the song, like the s obviously the musicianship isn't better in any kind of substantive way, but the the songwriting, the songs themselves as ideas, and how succinctly and cleverly they're written, and how they never did more than what the song required, um, and even like the way that they sung words and like the rhythm of the singing, even like just small things.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_05: I don't understand what everybody says about the Beatles, but I just it's I just think it's brilliant at the time.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_05: I I agree.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_05: Um, so yeah, and so that's so when I watched yesterday, I was like, Well, this is great because it's it's the Beatles.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_05: So uh and I think everybody that likes Beatles saw the film and probably thought that, but I know that a lot of Beatles fans resent the film.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_03: They do, yeah.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_03: That's the other thing.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_05: They say that it doesn't what's what's the main what's their main gripe that it doesn't fully explore what structurally about the songs makes it so good.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and then also like they they take a big issue with something later in the film, which is the John Lennon stuff.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, okay, they do that.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_03: People don't like that.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_03: People really don't like that.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_05: But what's their reason for not liking it?
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_05: Because I didn't mind that.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_03: I think they just feel uncomfortable with it.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I mean it is obviously it's silly, yeah, but like they've got to have John Lennon in there somewhere.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah and like I can I I can kind of see him living by the seaside.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_05: And Yoko Ono, who knows him better than anybody else, maybe apart from Paul McCartney, I would say actually, um was fine with it.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, she praised it.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_05: She was like, Yeah, it's good.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_05: So what what why why is anybody else debating it?
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_05: If his wife likes it, get a crit.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_03: Also, like Paul McCartney.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_03: Um originally when he heard the idea, he said, like, this is too silly, I don't like the idea, I don't like it.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_03: And then he watched and then him and his wife snuck in to watch it.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_03: And then they loved it.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I saw that.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_05: This is great.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_05: Exactly.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_05: So I think I think it's but obviously they liked it, right?
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_05: Because it's just insanely praiseworthy of the film.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, yeah, there's nothing.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_05: There's no there's no actually the part of the reason.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_05: So I think a lot of the reasons people don't like the film, right, is is that they think it doesn't thoroughly investigate enough whether the music itself was what made his Beatles so good, or whether they hit a cultural touch point, that's not the right word, a cultural moment when their personalities and the music and like how the culture was loosening up in the early 60s.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, and they kind of rode that wave and it kind of was obviously a confluence of fashionists.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_05: And I'm not denying obviously there is in every in every of course Beatles Mania was like a mixture of different things.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_05: But my argument would be I think the argument of the film, which is arguably simplistic, which is the songs are so good it would make anybody famous.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I think that's true.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_05: I think that's I think the songs are so good that I don't think it requires a rigorous investigation into the cultural side of it.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_05: Because for me, people are all the Beatles people are like, oh, well, what about like their relationship and how funny they were and all these other things that made them great and charismatic and stuff?
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_05: And I think that Paul McCartney and John Lennon are s were so singularly talented that they could have written those songs.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, they would the first fucking Rolling Stones number one was written by Paul McCartney.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_00: What?
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, look it up.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_05: It's called um I can't actually remember what it's called, but like and they were doing this all the time and they also did their own version of it.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_05: What was it called?
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_03: I wanna be your man.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I think it's also a uh artist monkey's name for a long time.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_03: Um alongside John Lennon.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_03: So they both wrote it.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_05: Yes, they both they both they wrote it together.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, they didn't like it that much, they gave it to the Stones, and the Stones got a number one.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_05: So I think if you actually look at the history of the songwriter, and they were doing this all the time, and then you know, Paul McCartney would go on and write sort number ones for other people all the time.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_05: In the same way that Achirin does.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_05: So I don't know, I think I think its argument is sound that um you don't need to like you know, because some people are saying, oh, they should have like sat down with the songs and like rewritten, let's say let it be, but with like a modern production sound.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_03: No, I I disagree with that.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_03: Right?
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_03: That's that would have been really odd.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_05: And it would have been weird.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_05: So like, and it's a very they do it.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_05: Himish Patel, who's I think brilliant in this.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_03: He's very good in this, yeah.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_05: He's like so I think he plays it perfectly.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_05: And I think what that's a side point, I think what he does so well is that he doesn't enjoy the fame too much, which is very realistic.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_05: And like but he doesn't do it in a way that feels like I'm above I'm above this.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_05: It's just kind of a bit overwhelming.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_05: I think that's I think he he's pitched perfect, and also he plays the mu the music really well.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_05: Um if you go into the film thinking that the the songs are really good and knowing that they are brilliant, you don't need to you don't need to prove that.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_05: And I think if they'd done that production thing where they'd done let it be in like a modern version of it, like I don't think that would have proven that like you have to change the song a little bit to the current culture.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_05: I think that's a really weak argument to that is a yeah, I that is.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_03: I don't I don't like that as an argument.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_03: But I also like it's it's weird because I was thinking about it and I was thinking in in terms of like this the same thing that you were talking about there of like, is it were they so successful because of uh the songs, or was it because of like the culture at the time?
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_03: Was it was it the timing of everything?
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_03: And hearing it back now, hearing all the stuff now in the movie, and I was just like, no, this would still be a hero.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_03: This would still be a hero.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_03: This is a great song.
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_03: The um and I don't think it matters the production on it.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_03: I don't think that I don't think that makes a difference.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_03: I actually don't, especially if it didn't exist.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, exactly.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_05: And also you listen to the Beatles songs like you listened to like yesterday.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_05: That's a ballad that could have been written in 1985 or 1965, and it would have sounded f and it still sounds kind of fresh and like like as a a good ballad does to this day.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_05: So I just I just think that that that oops that doesn't apply.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I I agree with that.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_03: It was it was something I was thinking about when I was watching it again, and I was just like, hmm, I don't know.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_03: But I I agree.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_05: Um I think what else do I think?
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_05: I think the I think they make a good job of um making it for really fun as well.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_05: I think the I think the the rhythm of it is really good, like it progresses at the right speed.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_05: Um like they cut a bunch of uh scenes with Anadamas.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, which is interesting.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_05: Which uh and did you see that like they these two fans tried to sue I think Universal maybe about false advertising because she was in the trailer and then she wasn't in the film.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_05: They tried to sue them for like 10 million pounds and then they lost.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_05: Of course they lost.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_05: Of course they don't.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_05: I think they kind of I think they settled out of court and uh God.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_05: I think they yeah, they didn't they had to pay that illegal fees or something, but like so stupid.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_05: But um, but I think that's the right thing to do.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_05: I think they should have cut that scene.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_05: I watched it on YouTube and it's just like Oh, is it bad?
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_05: It's not bad, it's it's it's it's a great, it's good.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_05: Just doesn't fit.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_05: He he just does it just doesn't add anything, and like they he's like um he's playing, he's on James Corden, yeah.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_05: Uh whatever the character's called, and he's playing like trying to write a song off the bat.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_05: And uh he writes something for her.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_03: And it's not in the film.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_03: I feel like that's I remember.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_05: I think he goes on James Corden.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_05: I don't on James Cord.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_05: Maybe they cut it as like I did re-watch the film.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_03: I I think they might have cut that being for her.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I think so.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_05: The f the song itself does still feature.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_05: Um yeah, and I also think Kate McKinnon is in it from SNL.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_05: I think she plays that like bitchy horrible.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_03: She's very good at that role.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_05: She plays that role so well.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_05: Like, I think that's really funny.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_03: It's that it's that real American, over-the-top uh manager sort of role.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_03: And she's really funny.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, she's great.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_05: She plays that really well.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, she's um she's very funny.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_05: What is not good about it if I'm Oh, I think one thing that is a bit silly is the uh they have a a the studio where he first records uh maybe I want to hold your hand.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_03: The the very first studio he goes to, yeah.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_05: It's called Tracks by the Tracks, and I think having a recording studio right by a train station would be an insane place to have.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I think I I saw something about that in the trivia.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_03: Uh where did I see it?
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_03: It was something to do with Danny Boyle.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_03: Uh and seeing like he I think he saw, I think they were just gonna film there.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_03: And then they saw that being like with the station, and and he was like, oh look, we've got to incorporate that.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_03: Something to do with that.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_03: So he like it was actually.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_03: So it was it's kind of real.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_05: Oh wow, okay.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_05: Why would you say that?
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_03: Which is something to do something to do with the with the fact that they were just recording, they were just filming there.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_03: Which is also like an insane place to film then.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_03: So why would you choose?
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_03: Why would you go there?
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_03: It's not like this was a small budget movie.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_05: They could I also really like that um obviously uh Ed Sheeran features heavily.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_05: It was meant to originally be Chris Martin.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I only discovered that today.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_03: I only read about that today.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, and it's really funny because obviously Chris Martin said no, presumably, it's being in it.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_05: I think wrongly, I think that would have been a great role for him.
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_03: Um Yeah, I think Ed Sheeran is a better person for this role, though.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_05: He plays it, he plays it quite well, I think.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_03: He does, because but I also can see it's weird because I can also imagine him being like that.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_05: And he plays like kind of a a surly version of himself.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_05: Like he's not like he's kind of a bit of a dick.
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_05: Like when when when uh that's how I picture him.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_03: Do you is it?
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, yeah.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_05: No, I kind of imagine him as being quite.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_05: I'm like everyone loves Edge Hirn.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_05: I think Edgeon's brilliant.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_05: Um but uh yeah, like when uh when Ed Sheron first goes to his house and like his dad is like trying to get in the fridge and stuff.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_05: I think that's a really like fun, accurate portrayal of like what parents are like.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_05: I haven't been at my mum's house this weekend.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_05: Um, like when it when you have parents in their 60s, do you have parents in your sixties in their 60s?
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, like that's what they're like.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_05: They're like they're they're like they're lovely and they're sweet and they're fun, but they are they're so like away with the fairies.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, just oblivious to everything.
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_05: It's just like it's really it's really annoying.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_05: Um and I think but obviously it's very endearing as well and sweet.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_03: But like it's just like it's also like the scene when when he's trying to sing Let It Be, yeah, yeah.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_03: And then then the the neighbor comes in and like Exactly.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_05: And I get I again I think that's that bit, that scene with the let it be, I think is people say they don't explore sufficiently whether like uh if you were to remove the cultural context, whether they would still work.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_05: And I think that scene kind of that kind of does explore that.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_05: They weren't immediately like, oh, that's amazing.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, they kind of I actually think it doesn't get enough credit for like being honest that like at the start of it, it doesn't really work out for him.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_05: No, do you know what I mean?
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_05: Like he has to like try a bit and like he almost fails, and like he even says, like, oh I I've got these amazing songs and it just still doesn't work.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, so I think again that that shows that they they they he did go about it in the right way.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and it's also it's only because another songwriter, another singer songwriter saw him on local news local news, yeah, and was like, oh, this is conveniently, but like it's a bit ham-fisted, but like it's it's a bit ham-fisted, but yeah.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_05: And it's fun, isn't that the whole the whole Suffolk thing is kind of fun, like and I like the fact that they had they had to set the whole thing in Suffolk just because of Ed Sheeran.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_03: I didn't even think about that.
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, of course.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_05: It wouldn't have been there otherwise, so it would have been like what Cornwall.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, if it was Chris Marshal.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_05: Probably right.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_05: Well, I wonder if it wouldn't have landed quite so much if it had been no kind of Cornwall and Suffolk are basically the same place, aren't they?
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_05: Apart from Cornwall's nicer.
• 35:09
  unknown: Yeah.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_03: Shots air sheering.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_03: Um yeah, it's there's so much to it.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_03: Like I guess there's so much to the lore of like the Beatles that I don't fully know myself, but I feel like you will know more about that that like you would I think we were saying beforehand, like you there's there's things that you would pick up on that not necessarily everyone would pick up on.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_03: Like, do you want to is there anything that you can think of?
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_05: Um they're like Easter eggs in there that so I think one one very minor critique that I would have of it is that um and like it justifies itself in the film, so I will give them credit for this, but like they don't do that many of the B sides, right?
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_05: And I think a lot of Beatles fans are like they could have done, I don't know, like they could have done Rain, or they could have done I mean they did like they did some like not major, major ones.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_05: There's like the Nowhere Man, but again that's a massive Beatles song, isn't it?
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_05: Um but they didn't do any like relatively niche ones, and I think it would have been nice to have some of that.
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_05: So like there is, yeah, to be honest, that there that like a lot of the little references that they make to the Beatles are the ones that most people would know.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_05: I think he goes like what at the start when he's in hospital, he's like, When I'm 64 or whatever, and again, that's like one of their big songs.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_05: I mean they've got so much.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_03: That's one that's one of my critiques of this is like him just like quoting lyrics at at at random just to to his like friends and family.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_03: I'm like, like, nobody does that.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_03: Nobody talks like that.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_05: But I also I think it's somewhat believable because if you were to be a small-time singer-songwriter based in Suffolk, you probably wouldn't know all of the Beatles back categories.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_05: This is the other, yeah.
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_05: So, like, maybe again it is j does justifying.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_03: He's also remembering it.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_03: He's just trying to remember everything, and you can't he can't like go back to anything.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, just he's just memories.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_03: So, like, obviously, he's gonna remember the big ones.
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_05: He's gonna remember the hits.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_05: I think it kind of I think that kind of just about that just about tracks.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_05: I do think uh Lily James is is maybe not the strongest part of the film.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_03: I don't think she's the best written character in this as well.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's very true.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_05: She hasn't got a huge amount to work with, does she?
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, the the the the the the ROM of the column is is is relatively thin.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_03: But she's just kind of like pining after him for a long time.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_05: And like, will they, won't they?
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_05: And it's kind of like obviously they will.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_05: It doesn't feel like that that romance has much many stakes, really, does it?
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_05: But it kind of, you know, I think it it adds to the plot.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_05: It gives it gives us something to do as as the manager.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_05: So I don't know.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_03: It's interesting that she's his manager and then also math teacher, but that has no interest in actually managing like but she's only doing it because she like Yeah, she plays like three different roles in one, doesn't she, in terms of yeah, in terms of what the film does.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_05: I think I think the most probably the most interesting thing about the film in terms of the lore is um is obviously the screenwriting process and how should we talk about it?
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_05: Do you want to So do you wanna do you wanna tell me what you know and I'll fill in any blanks?
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_03: So what I've heard is this guy, I want to make sure I get his name.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_05: It's actually it's very sad.
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_03: Jack Barth.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_03: He wrote us uh a movie with a with the with this kind of premise.
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_03: Richard Curtis then bore it off of him and rewrote it and completely changed it.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's and made it into a rom-com.
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_05: That's the that's meant to be a lot longer.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_05: I I'll I'll I'll fill it in a little bit.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_05: I think from from my memory, what happened was that he was a relatively talented but unproduced, as far as I know, screenwriter for decades.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_05: And um, yeah, I'm just looking at his credits and yeah, like he, you know, and I'm sure that's his American guy, isn't it?
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, 95% of amazing screenwriters, I'm sure, don't ever get a film made.
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_05: So it must be a fucking annoying thing, well to be in.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_05: I'm glad that I'm not a screenwriter.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_05: I think it sounds exhausting.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_03: He did have a I will say he has a he has um a Simpsons episode in Peak.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_03: Simpsons Does he?
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_05: 1996.
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_05: Fuck which episode?
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_05: A fish called Selma.
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_05: That's a great episode.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_03: He wrote that episode.
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_05: Really?
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_05: Is that the one with um When She Marries Troy McClure?
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_05: That's a great episode.
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_05: That's a very good episode.
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_05: That's a really good episode.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_05: Interesting.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_05: Well, yeah.
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_05: So I maybe maybe I'm doing it down.
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_05: Maybe.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_03: No, it doesn't seem like he did a lot a whole lot after that though.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_05: He was let's let's say that he was a a successful but not breakout screenwriter for many years.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_05: And he basically was frustrated about I guess Hollywood, and so wrote a or had an idea for something where he was like, even if I wrote Star Wars, I wouldn't be able to sell the script.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 39:57
  SPEAKER_05: No matter the quality of what I'm writing, it doesn't make a difference.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_05: It's not like I can't, I just can't get there.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_05: And then I think he rewrote that idea as somebody in the 50s or 60s who has all the Beatles back catalogue in their head, but does but the Beatles never existed, and that person still can't become a successful uh musician.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_05: Obviously, the premise of that screenplay is that success is um an impossible thing to pin down for many people, that the world is really unfair, that very talented people don't get picked up.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_05: So like they're all points that are 100% true.
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, absolutely.
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_05: And like there are just uh millions of amazing talented actors and writers and whatever and comedians who just don't ever make it in the traditional sense, no matter arguments about what counts success aside.
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_05: So um he then I don't know how this part worked, but I think what happened was he had uh communicated this idea to someone that worked in music rights who um and had told them about this script idea.
• 41:00
  SPEAKER_05: It had been in production hell or or had not been picked up.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_05: Richard Curtis then goes to in like 2005 or something to a maybe even earlier actually to uh the a a music rights place and speaks to this guy about getting a muta Beatles track for one of his films.
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_05: This guy that works in rights mentions this screenplay that this guy has written.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_05: Right.
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_05: Richard Curtis goes, that's an interesting idea for a film.
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_05: He then uh I think asks uh Jack Barth, is that his name?
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_05: For like for his maybe his blessing to write a to write his version of the screenplay.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_05: Maybe he doesn't ask, I'm not 100% sure.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_05: I wouldn't want to claim either way.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_05: But anyway, regardless, he rewrites the idea such that somebody has all of the Beatles songs, but they do get success from it.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_05: And obviously that's really sad for Jack Barth because what then happens in real life is Richard Curtis takes his idea and makes a very successful film out of it, and so it's obviously like massively steeped in irony and sadness for the original screenwriter.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_05: Um it's mainly just it's mainly just a bit sad to be honest.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_05: And I think Richard Curtis claimed that he didn't have any role in the screenplay itself.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_05: He didn't give him uh writ written by credit, yeah, um he gave him a story by credit, yeah, it's a story by credit, which obviously is way less, I assume monetarily way less as well.
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, yeah, it would be.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_05: It would be like 10% as much or something like that.
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_05: So he this poor guy Jack Barth has this good idea for a film, it's changed massively, and then he doesn't get any credit for it again, which is just like pretty big.
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_05: Um but I also do kind of think that a film about someone that has all of the Beatles songs who doesn't get success from it would be a fucking depressing to watch, and it wouldn't be exciting and interesting, and it would just be like a dull and it would cost so much to get because it cost them 10 million pounds to get those rights, right?
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_03: I'm surprised it it was only 10 million.
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_05: Uh me too.
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, like, that's doesn't seem like a huge amount of money for what they got.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_05: It was like I think 40% of the budget of the whole film.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_05: Jesus.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_05: Um but yeah, uh like i I don't think that film would have worked, which is a shame.
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_05: I actually don't think it might have worked.
• 43:13
  SPEAKER_05: It just does show that you kind of have to go down like a really commercial, somewhat soppy route for things to be comparing and well not all things, but sometimes things to be compelling.
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 43:23
  SPEAKER_03: Um and I think that's why I don't know.
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_03: There's things that work about it and there's things that don't, but like at the same time, Richard Curtis does know how to craft a story still.
• 43:35
  SPEAKER_05: Brilliantly.
• 43:35
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_05: And as and we as we said, the the the the dialogue is nice and I th I think as I said before, I do think that the central argument of the film is defensible and good.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_05: And I think and it did and it did well.
• 43:48
  SPEAKER_05: So I I and I think Yeah.
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_05: I think it's a great movie.
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_05: I think it's really, really good.
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_05: I think it I think it lands for what it wants to be.
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_05: And I think every I'm sure you know about more of this than I do, but I think the aim of a film is to fulfil fulfill the aim that it gives itself.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_05: And I think the aim that this film gives itself is just to be a funny, light exploration of fame and talent and um and how good the Beatles were.
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_05: And I think for a broad audience it kills it.
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, for sure.
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_03: I have a question about um some of the stuff that went well one of the one of the big things of this is like that because the Beatles didn't exist, other things didn't exist.
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_03: I know this is ridiculous.
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_05: And so like the Oasis doesn't exist.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, which makes sense.
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_03: I I obviously I understand that one.
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_05: No I understand one that one but the one hole for me is like why would he not also write Wonder Wall and Cigarettes and Albums?
• 44:45
  SPEAKER_05: And like surely you would just be like, okay, well I'll do those ones as well.
• 44:47
  SPEAKER_03: Then then that's your like that's your different period of music.
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah yeah that's your like that's your third or fourth album.
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah but he doesn't do that.
• 44:53
  SPEAKER_03: Um one of the probably because of the rights for getting those songs as well well obviously yeah um although I feel like the Gallagher's if they heard they were going to be in the film about the Yeah they wouldn't want to they'd be like no I think you don't think so.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_03: I feel like they'd be like absolutely oh fuck yeah maybe because they are obsessed with John especially uh Liam is fucking obsessed with John then the question I had was like why does Coke not exist?
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_03: Is there is there something there or is there like is there something I don't understand?
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah because obviously Coca-Cola precedes the Beatles by probably a hundred years right yeah no I have absolutely no idea I thought it was something referenced I thought it was a Beatles reference that I doesn't get to to not to my knowledge maybe thing is yeah that doesn't make any sense at all actually because because it would have it it it would just be when he Google Coca-Cola it would show like Coca-Cola maybe was a drinks brand until the 1960s when it stopped ex something like that.
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_05: I don't know why would it why would its entire history be?
• 45:51
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 45:52
  SPEAKER_05: Maybe the idea is and we go back to the sci-fi element maybe the solar flare maybe that's the point.
• 45:59
  SPEAKER_05: The solar flare doesn't just maybe it's not a it kills the beetles therefore it kills other things.
• 46:03
  SPEAKER_05: It just kills a bunch of things.
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_05: It takes out a bunch of stuff.
• 46:06
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah the other thing it kicks out is Harry Potter Which is apparently is credited to I saw Richard Curtis credit this to Sarah Silverman who gave him this line.
• 46:18
  SPEAKER_03: What's the line?
• 46:18
  SPEAKER_03: Something about Harry like just Harry Potter not existing in that world.
• 46:21
  SPEAKER_03: It was like he's just like oh yeah Sarah Silverman came up with that.
• 46:24
  SPEAKER_05: Maybe they just chose the three biggest things.
• 46:26
  SPEAKER_05: I think so Coca-Cola, the Beatles and Harry Potter.
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_05: Maybe that's I guess those would be like the three And maybe then the Oasis is like a subsidiary thing to the Beatles but then that okay yeah.
• 46:35
  SPEAKER_05: But then you'd also wonder like what are the subsidiary things to Oasis to to ISIS Oasis to Oasis yeah to ISIS yeah yeah no no what no so say that say say that we've got these three things that are being removed co Coca-Cola, Harry Potter and the Beatles.
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_05: Oasis is a subsidiary to the Beatles what is subsidiary to Coca-Cola?
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_05: Oh right but Pepsi exists yeah so it's not that maybe Fanta I don't know like we we don't have that's not because it's like part of Coca Cola part of the Coca-Cola company yeah what would be the subsidiary to Harry Potter?
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe like Hunger Games?
• 47:12
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah Twilight Twilight yeah I don't know yeah no I also think uh the funniest question you can ask about this film is um what about a film where there's only one person in the world who remembers the film yesterday?
• 47:28
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah isn't this a sketch?
• 47:30
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah they are there there are these people that I actually don't know what they're called but they're really funny and they do these sketches where it's like every time it's like the film yesterday but XYZ right is there also a sketch I feel like there's a sketch where someone does that where it's like or it's like a stand up bit or something I feel like I've heard that or maybe I was I was told that idea by um my brother in law about five years ago so I feel like he maybe got there first also it's such an obvious gap not obvious guy but it's a clever funny gap.
• 47:59
  SPEAKER_03: So you can see why a few people might have a gold yeah of course um but yeah it's a funny idea like it's got him patel in it who's Himesh Patel you know that kind of also like Himesh Patel like this this like catapulted his career.
• 48:17
  SPEAKER_03: Did did it really?
• 48:19
  SPEAKER_03: He went from like so he was in East Enders a long long time.
• 48:22
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah then he like so he was in East Enders until like 2016 I feel like and then this is 2019.
• 48:29
  SPEAKER_05: This came out Okay fine so it came out right at the end of his East Enders run.
• 48:32
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah and then he went on to do so like from doing this he went on to uh yeah he's in like he's really not in a whole lot before that and then he's in this and then suddenly he's in tenet and don't look up and station eleven Black Mirror he's great I think he's very good at it.
• 48:57
  SPEAKER_05: He needs to yeah he should be in when I mean he's in a lot of stuff he's in a lot of stuff now he's having a great time but yeah I think he's I think he's coming up in another Christopher Nolan film.
• 49:04
  SPEAKER_05: Is he?
• 49:05
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah yeah well he doesn't need me saying that he's great because he he's fine um but he yeah he he's he's again like you were saying he's like the perfect person for this one like he plays it so well that's going on yeah because originally I was like I'm trying to work out because I did I didn't know I knew of him sort of through ESTA's but I wasn't like an ESenders person so I kind of knew like I'd seen him around but I didn't know and then suddenly he was casting this and I was like oh this is a huge thing for him.
• 49:32
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah interesting he really took off like yeah he's but he's great in this yeah it just shows like there's so many people that have come from I think he might be the biggest person from from Eastenders from ESEnders now.
• 49:45
  SPEAKER_03: Not any others.
• 49:46
  SPEAKER_03: Well I mean we funnily enough Martin McCudgeon from Love Actually uh then well Danny Dyer was big before uh he seems yes looking at all of these Roth Kaczy who kind of he went into like the Tory specific rim and then the World of Warcraft movie like he did a few things I hadn't heard of that.
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah it came out like Is it good?
• 50:20
  SPEAKER_03: I didn't see it.
• 50:21
  SPEAKER_05: No you should well you should get some on is it you should get someone on the podcast to talk about it.
• 50:24
  SPEAKER_03: If they want to what is it even rated?
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_03: I don't even know 29% okay yeah that's a good one.
• 50:34
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe I'll come back next week and do that Oh this this guy Ben Hardy who went on to be in X-Men Apocalypse and Bohemian Rhapsody.
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 50:46
  SPEAKER_01: That's pretty good.
• 50:46
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah that's pretty good.
• 50:47
  SPEAKER_03: Ross Kemp I mean he's successful but not like outside of the UK.
• 50:53
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah yeah yeah people don't know who he is uh yeah I'd save him at the tool yeah I'd put him our goat yeah good man so like the the thing is that we haven't talked talked about is this this film is rated on Rotten Tomases is 64%.
• 51:06
  SPEAKER_05: Mm-hmm.
• 51:07
  SPEAKER_03: Weird weird there's 64.
• 51:10
  SPEAKER_05: Oh good point yeah when I'm 64.
• 51:12
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah um yeah interesting I think my sense about it though is that whenever you talk about yesterday with anybody that most people it's like it's even though it's m got middling reviews yeah people like to say that it's not good.
• 51:25
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 51:25
  SPEAKER_04: Right?
• 51:26
  SPEAKER_05: People it's like it's a very easy target because it's a bit obviously the conceit is like a bit silly and the premise is a bit silly whatever.
• 51:34
  SPEAKER_05: But I and that is that's what annoys me.
• 51:37
  SPEAKER_05: I don't like stuff that's cool to hate I think some like you don't need like you can just have like quite a nice idea for a movie and then make a good movie about it and that's kind of fine.
• 51:46
  SPEAKER_05: It doesn't need to be anything more than that.
• 51:48
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 51:49
  SPEAKER_05: So that's why I enjoy I'd enjoy defending it.
• 51:52
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah I mean I I I would say it's a good movie that kind of falls slightly short because I I I can't place why it fall short though this is the thing.
• 52:05
  SPEAKER_05: I'm I've been trying to think about what what's I I I think I think probably is that it doesn't for most people it doesn't slightly regularly enough investigate what makes the songs themselves so brilliant.
• 52:17
  SPEAKER_05: And I think I think that yeah I think it's I do think that it's but I think that's a whole thing that's a whole story in itself I feel like yeah yeah and but I also think there's so many pieces of media that explore what makes it good.
• 52:32
  SPEAKER_05: Like you could watch get back the documentaries.
• 52:35
  SPEAKER_05: You could watch any of the thousands of documentaries about the Beatles and I think that those would give you the answers that you want and I think if you have seen those things you're not interested in that question because it's just the it's been answered for you already and that you know that they're great.
• 52:51
  SPEAKER_05: So that would be Yeah I think that's true.
• 52:54
  SPEAKER_05: I think I think to fully enjoy it you need to be somebody that is obsessed with the Beatles and you have put out of your mind the question of why they're great.
• 53:05
  SPEAKER_05: And I think once you get to that point it becomes a fun romp and it's executed really well.
• 53:09
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah I would agree with that.
• 53:11
  SPEAKER_05: There was something I was about to ask you oh yeah what is your feeling about the new Beatles movies that are getting made okay so I think like everybody that you ask that as Beatles person they will say I wish they had cast young lads from Liverpool.
• 53:24
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 53:25
  SPEAKER_05: Right?
• 53:25
  SPEAKER_05: I think that's that's the general response um but obviously Barrick Hogan uh and all of the cast yeah sounds like I can't remember who they are but Barrick Hogan Paul Mescal um Harris what's he called Harris Dickinson Harris Dickinson and uh Joseph Quinn Joseph yeah Joseph Quinn's George Harrison to me yeah so yeah I think I like I and I kind of agree with that.
• 53:51
  SPEAKER_05: I think I think it probably I think the idea of a 33 year old Barrick Hogan playing a presumably he's gonna be when it starts 18 year old Ringo Star just feels a bit silly.
• 54:03
  SPEAKER_03: But like maybe he was playing 18 or so in Saltburn.
• 54:07
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah yeah and that was that was a few years back now and he was still too terrible I I hate that move okay I'm glad you agree yeah I think that film is just one of the worst things I've ever seen anyway um yeah uh so I that's my general feeling about it but I think the the the producers of these movies yeah and the actors in them are all so talented they would have think they would have thought about that point already like oh yeah like they would have considered casting widely and broadly and there'll be a good reason that they haven't I hope the reason isn't simply just big names pool audiences.
• 54:41
  SPEAKER_03: I don't think they need that for for Beatles movies.
• 54:44
  SPEAKER_05: I don't think they need that as a thing.
• 54:45
  SPEAKER_05: I don't know I I imagine that's probably a part of it because obviously why wouldn't it be and they want to make sure there's going to be a hit.
• 54:50
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah but they're all they're all they're all you know solid artists in terms of who's directing it?
• 54:57
  SPEAKER_05: Sam Mendes Sam Mendes is a great right so like he's a very good he won't be sacrificing the quality of the film.
• 55:03
  SPEAKER_05: No no he absolutely won't on the basis of getting in big names.
• 55:06
  SPEAKER_05: So I I trust that they've got a good idea about how they're gonna make it work.
• 55:09
  SPEAKER_03: My my weird the weird thing about them is it is the fo it's four different films.
• 55:14
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 55:14
  SPEAKER_03: All being released the same day as well.
• 55:16
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah which feels a bit strange.
• 55:18
  SPEAKER_03: It feels like it's gonna And they're four like feature length films.
• 55:21
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 55:21
  SPEAKER_05: I would um I would personally not I'm in charge but if I was producing it I would I would stagger it over the course of a year maybe.
• 55:29
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah yeah maybe you know one in one in the winter one in the spring one in the summer one in the autumn or something.
• 55:34
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 55:35
  SPEAKER_05: And I I would start with John Lennon because he was the sort of prime mover at the start of the Beatles.
• 55:43
  SPEAKER_05: Sure.
• 55:43
  SPEAKER_05: I would then do George Harrison I think.
• 55:49
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 55:50
  SPEAKER_05: I would then do Paul McCartney because Paul was so important.
• 55:55
  SPEAKER_05: No I sorry I wouldn't I would do George Harrison then Ringo Star and then I do Paul McCartney I would end on Paul McCartney.
• 56:00
  SPEAKER_05: Because obviously because ending on Paul makes sense because he was kind of he wasn't the reason that they broke up but like everyone said he was the reason they broke up and also obviously in the final few years he was the most important songwriter.
• 56:10
  SPEAKER_03: I also feel like if you end on Ringo that's gonna like dip.
• 56:14
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah that's gonna dip a bit although Ringo is hilarious but it's great yeah but like it's love so who who is your favourite Beatle?
• 56:23
  SPEAKER_05: Paul Paul I think any any person that is read enough and watched enough about the Beatles will mu 70% of the time say the same thing I think.
• 56:30
  SPEAKER_05: Primarily he was a a relatively good person.
• 56:34
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah like he was massive they were all massively philanderous and cheating constantly but that was kind of the 60s I guess uh but he wasn't a bad guy he was like still kind broadly and nice yeah um I also think if you look at the songwriting history of him and John Lennon so frequently Paul would come to George Martin their producer with like a fully produced song.
• 56:55
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 56:55
  SPEAKER_05: Right.
• 56:55
  SPEAKER_05: And be like this is what and he would have it like mapped out you see that in the documentary.
• 56:59
  SPEAKER_05: Exactly whereas John would come with like a little like snippet of a song and then they would try to all work it out together.
• 57:04
  SPEAKER_05: I think I think Paul is more like amazingly talented.
• 57:08
  SPEAKER_05: I think they would agree.
• 57:09
  SPEAKER_05: But I think they both are but yeah yeah um yeah definitely Paul and also Paul's still alive and also Paul's the only one I've seen live so oh you've seen him live once at the Glastonbury.
• 57:19
  SPEAKER_03: Nice talking about Glastonbury again um but yeah how was that yeah it was just like it was yeah it was amazing everything you want yeah yeah I was just crying for like an hour and a half it was amazing yeah so that is is so with him being your favourite beetle is he like just your favourite musician of all time then or is that uh yeah yeah I'd probably say so yeah yeah uh him or Paul Simon I think both Paul Simon's definitely out there as well yeah I get that's great um but yeah I don't know I always worry about talking about it too much because I just sound a bit weird and like um not at all I I don't know I feel like it's uh it's very like boring for a guy chat to always talk about how amazing the Beatles are like whenever I'm at the pub with another male friend all I find myself talking about is how much I love the Beatles and they usually they usually are like agreeing with me.
• 58:05
  SPEAKER_05: And it's just like this just it feels like it's not that healthy or interesting like we should be talking about more I don't know I feel like just constantly talking about historical art is like a real problem at the moment and like everything is so nostalgic.
• 58:15
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 58:15
  SPEAKER_05: So I hear myself talking about the Beatles constantly which is what I always am doing and I kind of am resentful of myself for that and I feel like I should be more engaged in like modern music but I just can't I'm just constantly pulled back to it.
• 58:26
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah I I find myself like really struggling to engage with modern music.
• 58:30
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know I'm I'm like stuck at a time I don't know I stuck I I feel like stuck after anything after I went to uni.
• 58:40
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah yeah I mean I think that is what happens most people like taste crystallizes when they're about 20 doesn't it and you can just stick with that for a long time.
• 58:47
  SPEAKER_05: But yeah I think I think it's important as people who are engaging in culture to like always try and be oh yeah yeah I can't I struggle with it myself I just can't be bothered and like yeah that's more that's more of what it is I think I just can't I just don't have digity yeah yeah especially when everybody's busy and it's just like hard to find time but yeah no I'm trying my new year's resolution this year it was to engage with more modern music and not be so like fucking what have you found what have you engaged with oh I don't know man I I I I'm I love this band at the moment called Friendship.
• 59:17
  SPEAKER_05: Okay they're brilliant I'm listening to a lot of that yeah um that's might be my main find this year the guy called uh LL Burns is really good as well those are my two main finds over the past year.
• 59:30
  SPEAKER_05: What kind of music is that they play I guess you call it like they're both kind of like sad indie boy kind of stuff but like it's really good.
• 59:39
  SPEAKER_05: It's really really good hack.
• 59:40
  SPEAKER_05: If it gives it a world yeah friendship in particular are brilliant yeah um yeah I don't know I'd not heard of either of them so yeah they're pretty cool.
• 59:48
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah no they're not I I'm not someone who claims to be like up on music so like yeah whereas like if you told me a film I could be like oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah no I'm not good at movies at all.
• 1:00:00
  SPEAKER_03: Oh well that's that's interesting because we'll lead into we'll lead into something in a minute but um do you have anything else about the film yesterday that you want to talk because you wrote a lot of notes I wrote I didn't write I I don't want to sound uncool.
• 1:00:12
  SPEAKER_05: I did write some notes but I think it's important it's important to prep for things right I appreciate it I always appreciate what I think well I think of all these amazing people that are listening and at home and I think it would make sense for me to put in a bit of thought about what I'm going to say because like you know it's important to take things seriously um I think I've kind of made my my my main key you have talked about a lot of stuff with it which is great no in a good way in a good way have I I'd be curious to know have I uh investigated or discussed the talk the story of the film more or less rigorously than most of your guests oh do I do I have I got have I pitched it right in terms of the intensity yeah yeah definitely have I been too intense no not at all not at all I think you like you you found the perfect level I thought I had as well I think you found the level joking okay good um yeah and if you if you have nothing else that you I don't think I do yeah let me have a look uh no I think I kind of hit you I think I hit it all man yeah sorry I'm just looking at the cast for this Beatles stuff and it's stacked absolutely I wrote I th do you think a film is obligated to chase the most interesting idea it gestures at or is it allowed to use that idea as a scaffolding for a smaller warmer story that it executes well that is a deep question.
• 1:01:34
  SPEAKER_05: It's a slightly like it sounds like it's written by AI but I did actually write that.
• 1:01:38
  SPEAKER_05: And I think the answer is yes it is allowed to do that.
• 1:01:42
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah I would agree.
• 1:01:43
  SPEAKER_03: I'd agree it doesn't not everything has to be like deeply investigated.
• 1:01:46
  SPEAKER_03: Leave it to fucking Snect Key to New York.
• 1:01:48
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah well yeah that's that takes things to the next level but not every film needs to be Senecty to New York no that that's taking the same that's a take as taking an idea and then like re like thinking about it.
• 1:02:00
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah yeah 40 times 40 times it's good though yeah oh it's great but again it's that's that's one you really have to think about yeah no I can't I can't we bother with that that's too much of a fab.
• 1:02:10
  SPEAKER_05: I'd just rather watch family guy clips than YouTube.
• 1:02:15
  SPEAKER_03: Okay so let's let's move on then I wanted to I've started just I literally just started this last week but I want to try I need to think of something go on oh no no no not that not that something else go on so I've I'm trying a new game with people which um it's based on a TikTok that I saw right from these other this other like film podcast um but they do this game called uh movie five oh one is what call Watch with Apollo is the name of the channel um what they do is movie five oh one so it's darts but you're doing Rotten Tomato scores.
• 1:02:45
  SPEAKER_03: Okay fun fun fine I'm gonna give you a category and you're the idea is to get to name the films and get to zero as quickly as possible.
• 1:02:53
  SPEAKER_05: Okay fine so I basically need to get five 100% and then one one percent yeah something something yeah something along those if I go below zero what happens you technically bust but you can keep going okay yeah and okay you might go back up no you won't go back up you'll stay at that score.
• 1:03:10
  SPEAKER_03: Okay fine and then you have a go.
• 1:03:11
  SPEAKER_03: No just me or maybe I'm I'm trying to do the guest I'm trying to rank the guests will be ranked as like so the last guest Demi did your eBay he did it in nine fuck okay um so I used to get it fewer than nine you can get it fewer than nine yeah if you can't if you can't surely everybody just starts with like the greatest films of all time.
• 1:03:29
  SPEAKER_05: That'd be fine.
• 1:03:30
  SPEAKER_03: So you get like you can give The Godfather oh no so I'm gonna give you a category.
• 1:03:35
  SPEAKER_03: Oh fuck okay sorry so he had he had um sports movies because he was talking about Space Jam.
• 1:03:41
  SPEAKER_05: Hey right okay sorry so what that is a lot harder.
• 1:03:43
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah in a good way in a good way I'm gonna give you musicals because I feel like that's not terribly hard.
• 1:03:50
  SPEAKER_03: Okay fine uh la la land okay so La La Land is and I will keep the scores up here.
• 1:03:57
  SPEAKER_05: Should I do the calculation?
• 1:03:59
  SPEAKER_03: Uh I can do it it's alright.
• 1:04:01
  SPEAKER_00: Uh La La Land is 91 okay yesterday yesterday 64 155 yeah that's gonna be like 83 way lower than I thought two thirty yeah yeah for the popcorn the the audience score is 99.
• 1:04:40
  SPEAKER_03: There was that Spielberg West side story wasn't there yeah I love that you went to the Spielberg you could have gone with the original I want the Spielberg give me the Spielberg 91 I feel like the first Grease was highly rated as well um so you're at 329 so you want to go with Greece?
• 1:04:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah 65.
• 1:05:03
  SPEAKER_03: Wow that's surprisingly low that's that's a great thing so you're at 394 and you've done five what man sorry?
• 1:05:14
  SPEAKER_03: 394 so you can 394 so you've got 107.
• 1:05:21
  SPEAKER_05: Fuck so I need you could do it in two.
• 1:05:23
  SPEAKER_03: I need basically two quite mid-rated musicals or one very high one very low.
• 1:05:29
  SPEAKER_05: But you'd have to have to get the I think that's harder than two medium rated ones though.
• 1:05:33
  SPEAKER_03: I I I actually disagree looking at these scores now.
• 1:05:36
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah okay um is that really high people love that seventy okay okay so what might want to do sixty four I gotta get a I gotta get thirty sixty six I gotta get A really poorly rated one, don't I?
• 1:06:02
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 1:06:02
  SPEAKER_05: Is there like an animated shit music musical film?
• 1:06:07
  SPEAKER_03: I know one that's gonna be really low.
• 1:06:09
  SPEAKER_03: Really?
• 1:06:09
  SPEAKER_03: But I will I'll save it for if you get a little bit lower.
• 1:06:14
  SPEAKER_03: And then I'll give you a hint.
• 1:06:15
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, I did say earlier that I'm not actually that good at films.
• 1:06:17
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, you're not but you're doing well.
• 1:06:18
  SPEAKER_05: I'm doing all right though.
• 1:06:21
  SPEAKER_01: Really lowly rated.
• 1:06:26
  SPEAKER_00: Greece 2 got terrible reviews.
• 1:06:29
  SPEAKER_00: It did, it's been on this.
• 1:06:33
  SPEAKER_00: 22.
• 1:06:34
  SPEAKER_00: Fuck.
• 1:06:35
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, can I can I like can I stop or do I have to get to 500?
• 1:06:40
  SPEAKER_05: You can stop, but I don't wanna go bust.
• 1:06:44
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
• 1:06:49
  unknown: Yeah.
• 1:06:49
  SPEAKER_00: If I go above You won't but if you bust it doesn't matter.
• 1:06:52
  SPEAKER_03: It doesn't matter.
• 1:06:52
  SPEAKER_03: No, it doesn't matter.
• 1:06:53
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, fine.
• 1:06:53
  SPEAKER_05: Well how many have I done?
• 1:06:54
  SPEAKER_05: Six.
• 1:06:55
  SPEAKER_03: One, two, three, seven.
• 1:06:57
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, so I've got one more.
• 1:06:57
  SPEAKER_05: What?
• 1:06:58
  SPEAKER_00: So I've got to get like if you can get you gotta get uh yeah, twenty.
• 1:07:08
  SPEAKER_00: I was wondering whether to give you uh to give you a clue, but like I I need to see it.
• 1:07:12
  SPEAKER_00: You think you're allowed to give one hint.
• 1:07:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, that's that's only fair.
• 1:07:14
  SPEAKER_00: I need to see what the score is of this first.
• 1:07:19
  SPEAKER_00: It's a 19.
• 1:07:23
  SPEAKER_03: I might as well just give you like what because you you're not gonna get a one after that.
• 1:07:27
  SPEAKER_03: Um it would have been cats.
• 1:07:29
  SPEAKER_03: Cats?
• 1:07:30
  SPEAKER_00: Fuuuuuh.
• 1:07:33
  SPEAKER_00: That's higher than I thought it was gonna be as well.
• 1:07:35
  SPEAKER_00: See if I can cats were terrible, wasn't it?
• 1:07:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:07:40
  SPEAKER_00: Are there any other like really dreadful music in there?
• 1:07:43
  SPEAKER_00: Let me see.
• 1:07:45
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah, and the cat the cats was hilarious, wasn't it?
• 1:07:47
  SPEAKER_05: Because they w they they all looked so fucking weird.
• 1:07:51
  SPEAKER_03: Did you s did you guys see it?
• 1:07:53
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 1:07:54
  SPEAKER_03: I went to see it.
• 1:07:56
  SPEAKER_03: I didn't want to see it because I was like, I have to see, I have to experience this.
• 1:07:59
  SPEAKER_03: It's so bad.
• 1:08:02
  SPEAKER_00: If I say Mariah Carey, does that mean anything?
• 1:08:06
  SPEAKER_00: Fishtail.
• 1:08:08
  SPEAKER_00: Fishtail?
• 1:08:11
  SPEAKER_00: Sharktail.
• 1:08:11
  SPEAKER_03: Sharktail.
• 1:08:12
  SPEAKER_03: Was she in that?
• 1:08:13
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 1:08:13
  SPEAKER_03: But that is a music.
• 1:08:14
  SPEAKER_03: Who was who played the sexy fish in Sharktail?
• 1:08:16
  SPEAKER_03: Angelina Jolie.
• 1:08:18
  SPEAKER_01: That's also been on here.
• 1:08:21
  SPEAKER_01: That was that was a m that was musically based, wasn't it?
• 1:08:23
  SPEAKER_01: Sharktail?
• 1:08:24
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, it was a 35.
• 1:08:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:08:27
  SPEAKER_05: It's a 35 though.
• 1:08:28
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 1:08:29
  SPEAKER_05: Um I thought that was alright.
• 1:08:31
  SPEAKER_05: I mean I did see I did see it when I was like seven, but I thought it was alright, yeah.
• 1:08:35
  SPEAKER_03: Uh let's see.
• 1:08:37
  SPEAKER_00: Might not be possible now.
• 1:08:41
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, this is hard now.
• 1:08:42
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, there is, there's some.
• 1:08:44
  SPEAKER_00: Um okay, big girl pop band.
• 1:08:48
  SPEAKER_00: Like the biggest of all time.
• 1:08:53
  SPEAKER_00: What is in like the biggest girl pop band of all time?
• 1:08:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:08:59
  SPEAKER_01: Biggest girl pop band of time like spice girls?
• 1:09:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:09:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:09:05
  SPEAKER_01: Is it?
• 1:09:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so is it?
• 1:09:07
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:09:07
  SPEAKER_00: Do they make a musical?
• 1:09:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:09:09
  SPEAKER_00: Really?
• 1:09:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, um about them.
• 1:09:12
  SPEAKER_00: What's it called?
• 1:09:13
  SPEAKER_00: Spice World.
• 1:09:14
  SPEAKER_00: Spice.
• 1:09:17
  SPEAKER_00: Do you not know this?
• 1:09:18
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 1:09:21
  SPEAKER_03: Wow, that's actually too high anyway, it's 35.
• 1:09:23
  SPEAKER_03: Really?
• 1:09:24
  SPEAKER_03: So you might be you might be stuck there.
• 1:09:27
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, that's fine, alright.
• 1:09:28
  SPEAKER_05: I'll give up.
• 1:09:29
  SPEAKER_05: Alright.
• 1:09:29
  SPEAKER_05: What g w what did I get?
• 1:09:31
  SPEAKER_05: You got how many was I on?
• 1:09:33
  SPEAKER_05: Seven.
• 1:09:34
  SPEAKER_05: All right.
• 1:09:34
  SPEAKER_03: One, two, three, four, five, seven, and you got a 486.
• 1:09:38
  SPEAKER_03: That's decent.
• 1:09:38
  SPEAKER_03: I'll stick with that.
• 1:09:39
  SPEAKER_03: That's fine.
• 1:09:40
  SPEAKER_05: You can put me as a did not finish.
• 1:09:43
  SPEAKER_05: But yeah, I'm fine with that.
• 1:09:44
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, so you're still second place now.
• 1:09:45
  SPEAKER_03: I'm still second place.
• 1:09:46
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's a that's an amazing position to be in.
• 1:09:49
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, let's end on the final segment, which is um do you have a movie that's the opposite of this premise, which is a movie that's well loved and reviewed that you think is bad?
• 1:10:03
  SPEAKER_00: And I know you have to be careful.
• 1:10:05
  SPEAKER_05: So um, like I I so frequently watch films that are meant to be amazing, and I find them so boring.
• 1:10:17
  SPEAKER_05: Like The Godfather, I thought was fucking boring.
• 1:10:20
  SPEAKER_03: Wow.
• 1:10:20
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it was boring.
• 1:10:22
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, but I did watch it when I was like 13.
• 1:10:24
  SPEAKER_05: So like I haven't watched it for that long.
• 1:10:26
  SPEAKER_05: So I don't I imagine it's phenomenal.
• 1:10:28
  SPEAKER_05: But in terms of my experience of it at 13 years old, I was like I think now you need to go back and rewatch it.
• 1:10:33
  SPEAKER_05: I would very much be open to doing that, but yeah, I'll give you that as my answer.
• 1:10:36
  SPEAKER_05: But uh I don't stand by it.
• 1:10:37
  SPEAKER_05: It's not like a it's not a conviction shout.
• 1:10:39
  SPEAKER_05: It's something that you at that age.
• 1:10:41
  SPEAKER_03: Do you remember what you found boring?
• 1:10:43
  SPEAKER_03: Just like it was also slow, wasn't it?
• 1:10:45
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, it's a slow movie for sure.
• 1:10:47
  SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
• 1:10:47
  SPEAKER_05: I think when you're 13, you want a bit, you know?
• 1:10:49
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:10:50
  SPEAKER_03: So I feel like I saw it when I was about 13 though.
• 1:10:52
  SPEAKER_03: Really?
• 1:10:52
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, but it was just like you have better taste than me as a 13-year-old.
• 1:10:55
  SPEAKER_03: As a 13-year-old, I was like really into films and like really watching everything.
• 1:10:59
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:11:00
  SPEAKER_03: That was the point where I was like, what getting into everything?
• 1:11:01
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:11:02
  SPEAKER_03: I was like, oh well, this is considered classic, I've got to watch this film.
• 1:11:04
  SPEAKER_05: I think that's a classic, like, yeah, it's like a teenage thing.
• 1:11:08
  SPEAKER_05: I think it's particularly like a teenage boy thing where they're like, I need to engage with this like really serious art.
• 1:11:13
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, like regardless of what everybody else, like all of my friends think.
• 1:11:17
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, like if it's got amazing reviews and is considered like culturally significant, then I'm gonna love it.
• 1:11:21
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 1:11:21
  SPEAKER_05: And it's like I really remember being like that and like and I cringe about that now.
• 1:11:26
  SPEAKER_05: I I think it's also kind of cute as well, because it's like you you're you're not engaging in culture in like a you're doing it for obviously for to feel like you're involved with it.
• 1:11:34
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:11:35
  SPEAKER_03: Um I did that, yeah, I did that as a as a teenager, and then like now that's that's one of the reasons I started this podcast.
• 1:11:41
  SPEAKER_03: It was like I just grew out of that phase and I'm just like, I I now just talk about what you like.
• 1:11:46
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:11:47
  SPEAKER_03: You don't have to like something that's well reviewed, you don't have to you don't have to not like something because it's badly reviewed.
• 1:11:53
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:11:53
  SPEAKER_05: I've seen many, I've seen films recently that have got amazing reviews, and I've just been completely baffled by it.
• 1:11:58
  SPEAKER_05: So much, so much stuff.
• 1:12:00
  SPEAKER_03: Can you name any?
• 1:12:02
  SPEAKER_03: Is there anything you're you're aware of?
• 1:12:04
  SPEAKER_05: Uh I there is one that I saw.
• 1:12:05
  SPEAKER_05: I'll tell you, I'll give you a clue.
• 1:12:06
  SPEAKER_05: It's based on Desert Island.
• 1:12:08
  SPEAKER_05: Um, and I saw that and I thought that it was it was released about a year ago, and I thought it was one of the worst things I've ever seen in my entire life.
• 1:12:15
  SPEAKER_05: I thought it was like a complete terrible rehash of all of these.
• 1:12:18
  SPEAKER_05: Like we went there, there was a real period, right?
• 1:12:20
  SPEAKER_05: Post like White Lotus of like of like classy people, but like the evil side of them or whatever.
• 1:12:27
  SPEAKER_05: Or like, you know, there was a triangle of sadness, that was a bit like that, wasn't it?
• 1:12:31
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 1:12:32
  SPEAKER_05: On the boat.
• 1:12:32
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:12:33
  SPEAKER_05: Um there were others though as well.
• 1:12:36
  SPEAKER_05: The menu.
• 1:12:37
  SPEAKER_05: The menu was the I think that was awful.
• 1:12:39
  SPEAKER_05: Really?
• 1:12:40
  SPEAKER_05: I I really liked it, but I can see what I can see why people didn't like it, but like everyone's just trying to do succession, and it's just like I don't know.
• 1:12:48
  SPEAKER_05: And it's all there's also massively like a um uh like kind of I get to see into this really extravagant world thing going on that I think a lot of people need to be wary of and like resist that temptation.
• 1:13:02
  SPEAKER_05: Because it's just like these people are still real boring regular people, and in real life, the real Murdochs are just dull people who are fucking evil.
• 1:13:09
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 1:13:10
  SPEAKER_05: And actually it's not that glamorous.
• 1:13:11
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 1:13:11
  SPEAKER_05: And they're not Tom Watm scums or whatever, they're not funny and entertaining and sweet and have complexity.
• 1:13:18
  SPEAKER_05: They're just people who are like you and me, they're boring, but they're also just rich and evil.
• 1:13:22
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, they just have to.
• 1:13:23
  SPEAKER_05: And it's not as fun in real life.
• 1:13:24
  SPEAKER_05: And I think that like um what's the right word?
• 1:13:27
  SPEAKER_05: It's like a kind of what's that thing when you're it's like voyeuristic.
• 1:13:30
  SPEAKER_05: It's like it's like it's not it's like looking at something and being like, oh, isn't that interesting?
• 1:13:33
  SPEAKER_05: And it's like, no, it's actually it's as shit as it actually is.
• 1:13:38
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:13:39
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 1:13:39
  SPEAKER_03: I think like, yeah, definitely.
• 1:13:41
  SPEAKER_03: I now I'm thinking back now.
• 1:13:43
  SPEAKER_03: Um now you've mentioned white lotus, and I'm thinking there's so many like that.
• 1:13:46
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, we went through a real period.
• 1:13:48
  SPEAKER_05: And I think it goes back to that like obviously like succession of white lot.
• 1:13:54
  SPEAKER_05: You know, m regular people like like you and I, people on the street, like it's just like we shouldn't be as interested in those people as we are.
• 1:14:02
  SPEAKER_05: We like their lives aren't that interesting, and and the fact that we like elevate them and lionise them to be like these fascinating, mythical, evil creatures actually reduces our ability to like engage with change and progressive action to bring them back bring those people back down to earth.
• 1:14:21
  SPEAKER_05: Is that really over the top?
• 1:14:22
  SPEAKER_05: And in terms I think that's true.
• 1:14:23
  SPEAKER_03: It's true, it's definitely true.
• 1:14:25
  SPEAKER_05: Like I yeah, I didn't sound like a bit of a wanker, but I think that is confident.
• 1:14:28
  SPEAKER_05: No, but it's true.
• 1:14:28
  SPEAKER_03: And also it's like I didn't want to say anything in the middle of that because it's like you're making a good point there, and I don't want to interrupt it.
• 1:14:34
  SPEAKER_03: You can clip that.
• 1:14:37
  SPEAKER_03: I will clip that.
• 1:14:38
  SPEAKER_03: Nice.
• 1:14:38
  SPEAKER_03: No, I don't know.
• 1:14:40
  SPEAKER_03: Do you clip?
• 1:14:41
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:14:42
  SPEAKER_03: I will clip.
• 1:14:44
  SPEAKER_03: Um yeah, okay, so it's been really great.
• 1:14:48
  SPEAKER_03: This is it's really interesting.
• 1:14:49
  SPEAKER_03: Like, I I'd love when someone's really passionate about the the movie they're talking about or like the the topic in general.
• 1:14:55
  SPEAKER_03: It's like it's re I find it so interesting.
• 1:14:57
  SPEAKER_03: Like it's it's genuinely it's like it's great.
• 1:15:00
  SPEAKER_03: Uh so thank you so much for coming on and thank you for doing this.
• 1:15:03
  SPEAKER_03: It's been a pleasure, Yanis.
• 1:15:04
  SPEAKER_03: Thanks for having me.
• 1:15:05
  SPEAKER_03: So, how can people find you online?
• 1:15:07
  SPEAKER_05: And yeah, uh hit me follow on uh on Toby from Bath or don't.
• 1:15:12
  SPEAKER_05: Frankly, uh I don't care.
• 1:15:14
  SPEAKER_05: And um uh I'm always working on projects.
• 1:15:18
  SPEAKER_05: If you ever see me posting a thing, engage with it or don't.
• 1:15:21
  SPEAKER_03: Great stuff.
• 1:15:22
  SPEAKER_05: Right.
• 1:15:22
  SPEAKER_05: My entire career is is vested on people engaging with things online.
• 1:15:26
  SPEAKER_05: So if you can, I really do appreciate it.
• 1:15:29
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:15:29
  SPEAKER_03: And uh what have you what have you got anything you can talk about coming up?
• 1:15:32
  SPEAKER_05: No.
• 1:15:33
  SPEAKER_05: No, okay.
• 1:15:33
  SPEAKER_05: Uh I was gonna do Edinburgh, can't be bothered.
• 1:15:36
  SPEAKER_05: Um I'm that's totally I may be working on a podcast, maybe also not gonna be bothered to do that.
• 1:15:41
  SPEAKER_05: And maybe also working on like an animated short, but I might also not do that.
• 1:15:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:15:45
  SPEAKER_05: Um I'm you might be doing some more standup this year.
• 1:15:48
  SPEAKER_05: Also might not do that, but yeah, maybe lots of things, maybe not, lots of things.
• 1:15:52
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I mean, if people hear you on this and want that podcast as well, by all means let them know.
• 1:15:57
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 1:15:58
  SPEAKER_03: All right, thanks so much for coming on.
• 1:15:59
  SPEAKER_05: Thanks for having me.