Latest / The Breakfast Club / INTERVIEW: Uncle Luke, Jay Allen & Nikki Byles Talk 'Freaknik' History, Luke's Legacy + More
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- 0:00Speaker 1: Wake that ans up in the morning. Breakfast Club Morning.
- 0:05Speaker 2: Everybody's the vej n V Jess Hilarius Charlamage, the God.
- 0:08Speaker 3: We are the Breakfast Club.
- 0:09Speaker 2: We got some special guests in the building. People are
- 0:12Speaker 2: nervous about these three individuals and then they gonna ruin
- 0:14Speaker 2: their lives with this new documentary.
- 0:16Speaker 3: Ladies and gentlemen, we have Jay Allen, Nicki Bows and
- 0:18Speaker 3: Uncle Luke.
- 0:19Speaker 2: The documentary Freaknick The Wildest Party Never Told, streaming now
- 0:23Speaker 2: on Hulu.
- 0:24Speaker 3: Welcome, that's good.
- 0:27Speaker 2: Good. Now we've all seen the doc and a lot
- 0:30Speaker 2: of people who haven't were very nervous. They thought they
- 0:33Speaker 2: were gonna see older videos.
- 0:34Speaker 3: Of Uncle Luke throwing money on him.
- 0:36Speaker 4: They thought they were gonna send videos.
- 0:38Speaker 2: Of themselves at Freaknick's, you know, torking on cars. They
- 0:41Speaker 2: didn't call it torking back then. It was booty shaking
- 0:43Speaker 2: on cars. They weren't gonna see that. But the doc
- 0:45Speaker 2: is not really like that. It kind of explains the
- 0:47Speaker 2: story of the origin, how it started, how it helped
- 0:51Speaker 2: so many people, how it helped the land of music
- 0:53Speaker 2: and all that. So break down the documentary and why
- 0:55Speaker 2: you guys wanted to put this together.
- 0:57Speaker 1: Yeah, we were a few years behind. You know what.
- 1:01Speaker 5: The essence of freaking it was to be able to attend.
- 1:03Speaker 5: So when Nick and I created the original concept, you know,
- 1:06Speaker 5: we knew we were missing the stories. And that's when
- 1:09Speaker 5: we went and found Uncle Luke and found Jermaine so
- 1:11Speaker 5: that we could tell the story the right way. And essentially,
- 1:14Speaker 5: as we were putting it together, everybody had a freaking story.
- 1:17Speaker 5: So what you see is a hybrid of everybody from
- 1:19Speaker 5: the DC Metro Club to you know, the people that
- 1:21Speaker 5: were at the end telling the story.
- 1:23Speaker 3: About now what y'all know about Freedman, because y'all weren't that.
- 1:25Speaker 2: Y'all weren't there, so y'all want to hear stories from uncles, aunties.
- 1:28Speaker 6: What anybody coming back like, you would wait for them
- 1:31Speaker 6: to get back so you can see what happened. They
- 1:33Speaker 6: coming back with the shirts with the big Looney Tune
- 1:37Speaker 6: characters and the Bart Simpsons and all of that and
- 1:39Speaker 6: the music, all of that coming back and you're like, oh,
- 1:42Speaker 6: I can't wait to go, only for it to end
- 1:46Speaker 6: before you can get there.
- 1:47Speaker 4: This is interesting though, that I think about it.
- 1:49Speaker 7: O Ja and Nicky y'all wanted to do the doc
- 1:51Speaker 7: but the OG's like the Lukes who not just where
- 1:54Speaker 7: they have provided the soundtrack for it. Did y'all not
- 1:56Speaker 7: want to tell the story Luke just because you're like,
- 1:58Speaker 7: you know what, some thing's been left one said, you
- 2:01Speaker 7: know what I mean, some takes the best left off
- 2:03Speaker 7: the record.
- 2:04Speaker 8: Nah, Nah, I mean for me, you know, it's it's
- 2:06Speaker 8: always telling the stories, you know, because my story has
- 2:09Speaker 8: never been told, you know. And I looked at my
- 2:11Speaker 8: whole career, you know, my stories you know, have not
- 2:15Speaker 8: been documented, you know, for whatever reason, and uh, you know,
- 2:19Speaker 8: when I jumped on this, it was it was about,
- 2:23Speaker 8: you know, my whole life story, you know. I was,
- 2:26Speaker 8: I did a deal with a film company, and I
- 2:30Speaker 8: looked at the actual script that was written for my
- 2:34Speaker 8: biopic and then I was like, half of my stories
- 2:37Speaker 8: ain't being told. So, you know, I didn't enter into
- 2:40Speaker 8: a deal with Swirl Films to be able to do
- 2:43Speaker 8: these different parts of my life stories.
- 2:46Speaker 1: So when Jay and Nicky mentioned Freak nick.
- 2:50Speaker 8: And I was like, that's another part of my life
- 2:52Speaker 8: story that wouldn't have been in a long stripted film,
- 2:56Speaker 8: you know, and so be amongst that story and other stories,
- 3:01Speaker 8: you know, So you know, that that I'm doing for
- 3:05Speaker 8: the next couple of years, you know, document those stories
- 3:07Speaker 8: and put them out.
- 3:08Speaker 1: You know, this is just one part of it.
- 3:10Speaker 7: You that would do a proper anything about Uncle Luke
- 3:13Speaker 7: in this era, everybody's so sensitive.
- 3:15Speaker 4: People want to cancer folks. Could you ever do that properly?
- 3:19Speaker 4: Because you would have to you.
- 3:20Speaker 1: Can only do it one way. Yeah, you could only
- 3:22Speaker 1: do it one way.
- 3:23Speaker 8: And that's why, like, like I have a I'm doing
- 3:26Speaker 8: a biopick with Will Packer, and we negotiating with a
- 3:30Speaker 8: couple of different companies. And the unique way of how
- 3:34Speaker 8: we put that together, you know, kind of took the
- 3:37Speaker 8: sensitivity out of it, because, yeah, you live in a
- 3:39Speaker 8: different era, you know. And even with this right here,
- 3:43Speaker 8: you know, Freaknick is a large part of my story,
- 3:46Speaker 8: you know, and you know I put the freak.
- 3:48Speaker 1: In Freaknick, and so you know, you had to do
- 3:50Speaker 1: it in a unique way.
- 3:52Speaker 8: Because if you did it, if if we did this
- 3:54Speaker 8: story a certain type of way in this life that
- 3:58Speaker 8: we live in right now, we're probably be in jail.
- 4:04Speaker 2: The Uncle Luke ruined Freaknick and changed the HBCU proper
- 4:09Speaker 2: picnic of what they were trying to do.
- 4:12Speaker 3: They were trying to be the dc uh.
- 4:15Speaker 2: People that couldn't afford to go home were trying to
- 4:16Speaker 2: create this brilliant and nice space. And you know, the
- 4:20Speaker 2: Greeks were stepping and there was barbecue and there was food.
- 4:23Speaker 4: And then came let me say.
- 4:25Speaker 8: You you know.
- 4:30Speaker 4: You're talking about I would say he enhanced it.
- 4:35Speaker 3: You would think Atlanta wasn't ready for that, obviously.
- 4:39Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not gonna say it wasn't ready.
- 4:41Speaker 6: It just didn't know it was ready because that him
- 4:44Speaker 6: coming there wild'n out and all of that made other
- 4:47Speaker 6: people come there and made other acts come there. And
- 4:49Speaker 6: then that's where the music came from, and the South
- 4:51Speaker 6: got something to say and all of that.
- 4:53Speaker 4: And I mean, Uncle Luke, and.
- 4:55Speaker 3: Look what made you want to go to Freknick?
- 4:57Speaker 8: Like?
- 4:57Speaker 2: Was it the buzzing at the time because it was
- 4:59Speaker 2: small at first, and then you took it to another level.
- 5:02Speaker 8: I mean, you know, you having a party in Atlanta
- 5:06Speaker 8: and it's called Freaknick. I got to be the ambassat,
- 5:09Speaker 8: so I mean, so, I mean, basically, you know, this
- 5:13Speaker 8: was at the time when I went it was the
- 5:14Speaker 8: height of my career, our career, or the controversy going
- 5:18Speaker 8: to jail doing all these different things, you know, and
- 5:21Speaker 8: then I hear about this little party going on in
- 5:24Speaker 8: Atlanta called Freaknik. So then when I heard it, I
- 5:26Speaker 8: thought it was a freak party, you know, real talking
- 5:29Speaker 8: about I need to be there.
- 5:31Speaker 1: You know, I'm the king of freakingness. I gotta go
- 5:33Speaker 1: show my face in this joint, you feel me.
- 5:35Speaker 8: And then at the end of the day, you know,
- 5:37Speaker 8: we went there and did that, plus some shot videos
- 5:40Speaker 8: and all these different things, and come to find out
- 5:43Speaker 8: later on down the line, it was like no, no, no,
- 5:45Speaker 8: it wasn't No, it wasn't that type of party. It
- 5:48Speaker 8: was some people out there with little tps and then
- 5:50Speaker 8: little you know, candos and all.
- 5:52Speaker 1: That they would trying to have a little Greek thing.
- 5:54Speaker 1: And before you know it, you know, I put the
- 5:56Speaker 1: freaking in the picnic.
- 5:58Speaker 7: So what was the difference between freak Nick in the
- 6:00Speaker 7: classic in Florida the closet was was wild too.
- 6:03Speaker 8: Yeah, well, I mean you you had different you had
- 6:07Speaker 8: different degrees of it all lot and I lived through
- 6:10Speaker 8: through through the mall.
- 6:11Speaker 1: You had Murder Beach, Yes, yeah, same situation.
- 6:16Speaker 8: You had Murder Beach, then you had Daytona Beach, and
- 6:19Speaker 8: you know then you from Daytona Beach, you had Carabana
- 6:22Speaker 8: and uh in Canada, so you had different, uh versions
- 6:26Speaker 8: of these different parties.
- 6:28Speaker 1: You know that was generated through young people. Then you
- 6:30Speaker 1: had Galvestone, uh, the beach week the bike what it was.
- 6:34Speaker 7: It was.
- 6:34Speaker 1: It was some sort of beach weekend out there that
- 6:37Speaker 1: we would go frequent.
- 6:38Speaker 3: Philly Green Yeah.
- 6:39Speaker 8: Philly Yeah, Yeah, I remember you know, doing that, doing
- 6:42Speaker 8: that party, watching people run by my hotel naked. So
- 6:46Speaker 8: you had all those type of parties and and uh
- 6:49Speaker 8: you know, and Freak Nick was just one that you had.
- 6:52Speaker 2: To go to during that time. Did you ever get
- 6:54Speaker 2: the money you were supposed to get? Because I'm thinking
- 6:56Speaker 2: about it now. When Uncle Luke pulled up, it wasn't
- 6:59Speaker 2: like a regular rapper where he could just perform with
- 7:01Speaker 2: a DJ.
- 7:06Speaker 3: Yeah, like you had a lot of people to pay.
- 7:09Speaker 2: Did you actually get what you was because you you
- 7:11Speaker 2: had mc hammer type staff, like you had mad people.
- 7:15Speaker 8: No, no, not as type staff. I haven't had a
- 7:18Speaker 8: whole seven twenty seven. I heard him going to Japan
- 7:21Speaker 8: and I'm like, man, you got all these people in here,
- 7:23Speaker 8: war drove and all that stuff, like how you pay him?
- 7:26Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, my my crew was a big
- 7:29Speaker 1: old I mean it was most of the girls.
- 7:31Speaker 8: It was girls and DJ's and you know, we ain't
- 7:34Speaker 8: had too many securities. It was it was new artists
- 7:37Speaker 8: like Pitt Bull would be on the bus, you know,
- 7:40Speaker 8: Trick Daddy would be on the bus. You know, guys
- 7:42Speaker 8: that I was breaking along the way, you know, using
- 7:44Speaker 8: my popularity to spend them off to hopefully had him
- 7:48Speaker 8: become a hit artist.
- 7:51Speaker 7: Could you tell me what was the Miami influence on
- 7:53Speaker 7: Atlanta sound because Atlanta.
- 7:55Speaker 4: Was known for his base too. But there's always, you know,
- 7:59Speaker 4: a debate about who came first.
- 8:02Speaker 8: We came first, no question. I started hip hop in
- 8:05Speaker 8: the South, yes, no question. I mean it was no
- 8:08Speaker 8: hip hop and it was no hip hop nowhere in
- 8:10Speaker 8: the South when I basically started. We was touring those areas.
- 8:14Speaker 8: We went to Atlanta, they were playing, uh they had
- 8:17Speaker 8: New York DJs on the radio, so they didn't even
- 8:20Speaker 8: they didn't even play any music. I mean I signed
- 8:23Speaker 8: artists out of Atlanta called mc shot d. You know,
- 8:27Speaker 8: I would go to Sharon showcase they had, you know,
- 8:29Speaker 8: they had some rappers up in Atlanta, you know, Kizzy Rock,
- 8:33Speaker 8: They had a few dudes doing some underground stuff. But
- 8:36Speaker 8: they really wasn't you know, nobody you know, picked them up,
- 8:40Speaker 8: nobody was, nobody signed them. And so I would go
- 8:43Speaker 8: there all the time, you know, and pretty much do
- 8:46Speaker 8: shows at Sharon Showcase, a hot spot that a little
- 8:49Speaker 8: underground spot, you know. And uh and you know, once
- 8:52Speaker 8: we went in there, we signed him. He was one
- 8:54Speaker 8: of the top rappers in town. And then you know,
- 8:57Speaker 8: Kid blew up and then we just kept on moving around.
- 9:00Speaker 8: Like even even in New Orleans, we signed a guy
- 9:03Speaker 8: named bust Down.
- 9:04Speaker 1: You know, it was a big hit. You know.
- 9:06Speaker 8: I always you know, I had these conversations with every
- 9:09Speaker 8: time I see bird Man, he tell me the story
- 9:11Speaker 8: that he tried to get bust Down and then link
- 9:13Speaker 8: him up with me and then get him a deal.
- 9:15Speaker 8: I say, well, it all worked out right for you,
- 9:17Speaker 8: you know what I'm saying.
- 9:18Speaker 1: But no, it was it was it was no hip
- 9:22Speaker 1: hop period, you know.
- 9:23Speaker 8: And even when we did shows with with New York
- 9:26Speaker 8: artists like Rock Him and all of them, they gave
- 9:29Speaker 8: us five minutes on stage. Then we would eventually end
- 9:32Speaker 8: up in a fight. Uh, run to him see another
- 9:35Speaker 8: five minutes and almost end up in a fight with
- 9:38Speaker 8: their management and all that, because we you know, we
- 9:40Speaker 8: were the only things. So it was like really breaking
- 9:42Speaker 8: ground in an area that that it was unheard of.
- 9:46Speaker 4: That makes so much sense.
- 9:47Speaker 7: I didn't know that because everybody always credits ideas being
- 9:50Speaker 7: a pioneer for Atlanta Base, but you signed, Yeah, I
- 9:54Speaker 7: didn't know that.
- 9:55Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he and he eventually became a
- 9:58Speaker 8: pioneer because he was the first one to break out.
- 10:00Speaker 2: Were you mad at JD back then when he kind
- 10:03Speaker 2: of you were doing what you were doing and then he.
- 10:05Speaker 3: Did the Base All Stars, which was very similar to
- 10:08Speaker 3: what you were doing. Were you mad at him back
- 10:12Speaker 3: then at all?
- 10:13Speaker 8: No?
- 10:13Speaker 1: No, no, because you know, I know this story.
- 10:16Speaker 8: I knew the story of Lil John, you know, working
- 10:18Speaker 8: at Social Depth and Little John wanted to do bass,
- 10:22Speaker 8: you know, and where Lil John got, you know, when
- 10:25Speaker 8: he got his opportunity, you know, to show JD that
- 10:28Speaker 8: he was you know, he was a producer. You know,
- 10:31Speaker 8: he did this vergeon a base, which is we called
- 10:34Speaker 8: it R and B based, you know, with the mabu
- 10:36Speaker 8: and all that. Yeah, he put a little twist to
- 10:39Speaker 8: it instead.
- 10:40Speaker 1: Of trying to do it the same way we were
- 10:41Speaker 1: doing it. So you know, I loved it. I respect it.
- 10:44Speaker 1: I mean my thing is the more to marry you
- 10:47Speaker 1: for everybody.
- 10:47Speaker 8: If you diversify anything, then the stand power becomes longer.
- 10:51Speaker 3: Now, how did y'all get all the footage?
- 10:53Speaker 2: Because that was when you had big ass cam quarters
- 10:57Speaker 2: on you. There was no cell phone footage.
- 10:59Speaker 3: How did y'all get all that footage?
- 11:01Speaker 6: Were some people that we interviewed actually had their own footage?
- 11:04Speaker 6: And then so when we saw that it wasn't enough,
- 11:07Speaker 6: on put up a post and was like, give us
- 11:09Speaker 6: all of your footage before So it started coming in
- 11:17Speaker 6: and it was it was footage from there. It was
- 11:20Speaker 6: footage from I literally went the people's houses who had
- 11:22Speaker 6: active DVD I mean, what do you call them? Yes,
- 11:26Speaker 6: active VCRs and yeah, went to their house and got that,
- 11:30Speaker 6: met people in the in the parking lots.
- 11:33Speaker 4: However we could get the footage I was getting it.
- 11:34Speaker 3: Was there any celebrities wilding out back then?
- 11:36Speaker 2: Because everybody was wilding out back then, and like, let's
- 11:38Speaker 2: take that one out because did you have to take
- 11:40Speaker 2: anything out? Like we're not gonna put that up, not
- 11:43Speaker 2: any celebrities, but you got to take something out?
- 11:45Speaker 4: Oh yeah, we definitely took footage job.
- 11:47Speaker 5: Why well, because again I think when people saw this
- 11:51Speaker 5: the announcement, they thought this was some salacious documentary that
- 11:54Speaker 5: was being made. But just like Woodstock documentary was made
- 11:57Speaker 5: and those stores were ale to be told, just like
- 12:01Speaker 5: we go see you know what happens that Marty grawl, Like,
- 12:03Speaker 5: black stories deserve the space to be told in a
- 12:06Speaker 5: way where it's not a gotcha thing.
- 12:09Speaker 4: Black people gotta stop trying to get motherfuckers. We be
- 12:12Speaker 4: the main ones on social media ready to get each other.
- 12:16Speaker 5: But even when we put out there announcement, people like,
- 12:18Speaker 5: I hope they don't show this picture of me, and
- 12:20Speaker 5: like you know what I'm saying, like people people presented
- 12:23Speaker 5: it in that way, and we feel like Freak Nick,
- 12:25Speaker 5: which is why we have these legends JD.
- 12:27Speaker 1: Louke.
- 12:27Speaker 5: We feel like Freak Nick is a story in Black
- 12:30Speaker 5: history that deserves to be told because it wasn't just
- 12:33Speaker 5: you know, twrking on Peachtree, you know outcast. These these
- 12:37Speaker 5: major groups were formed during this time, like these major
- 12:39Speaker 5: executives like Shanti Das you know and KP like all
- 12:43Speaker 5: these people came out of this ecosystem and so we
- 12:46Speaker 5: wanted to make sure we told the full story of Freaknick,
- 12:48Speaker 5: not just you can't you can't feel ninety minutes of
- 12:51Speaker 5: just torking on p Stree.
- 12:53Speaker 7: And the funniest part about this is Uncle looked to
- 12:54Speaker 7: be having a little smile on his face the whole time,
- 12:56Speaker 7: like he just reminiscing about it.
- 13:02Speaker 1: Right here, I do have all we're getting head in
- 13:07Speaker 1: the back of the US waiting.
- 13:14Speaker 3: Career.
- 13:15Speaker 1: It was it was very important.
- 13:17Speaker 8: I mean, you know, going to Atlanta in the nineties,
- 13:20Speaker 8: in the early nineties when I heard about the actuals,
- 13:24Speaker 8: you know, heard about the party, and then going there,
- 13:26Speaker 8: we did videos there, we marketed.
- 13:30Speaker 1: New artists there.
- 13:31Speaker 8: Uh. But at the same time, you know, I was
- 13:33Speaker 8: right there when it kind of went bad, you know,
- 13:35Speaker 8: and then trying to work with you know, city officials
- 13:39Speaker 8: and try to straighten it out and clean it up,
- 13:41Speaker 8: working with different promoters and all that. So I was
- 13:43Speaker 8: like really in the thick of things, uh, when it
- 13:46Speaker 8: when it when it kind of went bad, and then.
- 13:48Speaker 1: Tried to actually save it.
- 13:51Speaker 8: But then, you know, like you see in the doc,
- 13:53Speaker 8: you couldn't save something that when the Olympics was coming in,
- 13:56Speaker 8: you know, that was too big for everything.
- 13:58Speaker 1: But but uh, it was. It was really important, you know,
- 14:02Speaker 1: especially you know the couple. I remember one video I did.
- 14:05Speaker 8: I think it was Bounce of the Beat and we
- 14:07Speaker 8: rented the whole Nico Hotel and had helicopters flying and
- 14:11Speaker 8: had girls over the balcony and all that, and you
- 14:13Speaker 8: know that became a big, big song for me.
- 14:16Speaker 4: Did you ever try to move it?
- 14:17Speaker 7: Like when they when they was talking about canceling, he
- 14:19Speaker 7: was like, man, let's bring it to Miami.
- 14:20Speaker 8: Well it was all similar, I mean, because we remember
- 14:24Speaker 8: we started, uh can Coon, We started doing the parties
- 14:28Speaker 8: on Tomorrow Day weekend and can Coon and all the
- 14:30Speaker 8: celebrities would come down there.
- 14:31Speaker 1: And then we moved to South Beach and then same
- 14:34Speaker 1: situation right now that you got going on that happened
- 14:36Speaker 1: with Freaknick.
- 14:38Speaker 8: Thought about it, but it was it was It was hard,
- 14:41Speaker 8: I mean because you know Atlanta and just like Jays,
- 14:46Speaker 8: it became a monster because everybody started using it as
- 14:49Speaker 8: a promotional to you know, it wasn't just Atlanta going
- 14:52Speaker 8: to Freaknik.
- 14:53Speaker 1: Now, it was the world coming to Freak Nick.
- 14:54Speaker 8: It was everybody from Detroit and every black college on
- 14:58Speaker 8: that spring break weekend. What a grid lock happened because
- 15:02Speaker 8: the city just couldn't hold that many people coming to
- 15:05Speaker 8: uh Atlanta like that.
- 15:07Speaker 2: They tried to do it a couple of years ago, right,
- 15:09Speaker 2: it didn't work out. Could ever happened again?
- 15:13Speaker 4: That's that's tough.
- 15:15Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 15:15Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think free Nick could happen. And everybody
- 15:18Speaker 5: has a different opinion. I don't think free Nick could
- 15:20Speaker 5: happen the way it did back then. I just think
- 15:21Speaker 5: that's impossible. No major metropolitan the city is gonna let
- 15:24Speaker 5: you shut him down like that. But one of our
- 15:26Speaker 5: other EPs on the project was twenty one Savage And
- 15:29Speaker 5: what I love that Savage did. He threw the party
- 15:31Speaker 5: with Han, who is a monster out here. But what
- 15:36Speaker 5: he did was a free Nick theme party. And when
- 15:39Speaker 5: you went to that party, which he graciously allowed us
- 15:42Speaker 5: to attend, it felt like freed Nick. He had Uncle
- 15:45Speaker 5: Luke on stage. Drake was there, you know what I'm saying,
- 15:48Speaker 5: Like it felt like in the nineties. He had a
- 15:51Speaker 5: car club with the nineties cars.
- 15:52Speaker 1: I mean it was.
- 15:54Speaker 6: He had like the artists that were back then doing
- 15:57Speaker 6: it on stage.
- 15:58Speaker 1: One. Yeah, I think you, I really think it can.
- 16:02Speaker 8: It can come back, and it can come back in
- 16:04Speaker 8: a positive way, because when you really look at the story,
- 16:07Speaker 8: you see how it started with you know, some some
- 16:10Speaker 8: HBCU grads and they created something because they couldn't afford it.
- 16:16Speaker 8: And still to this day, kids can't afford to go
- 16:18Speaker 8: to go to dusting and I go to Panama City
- 16:21Speaker 8: out South Beach, you know, And I just think in
- 16:24Speaker 8: an organized way, because everything is programmed. You know, if
- 16:28Speaker 8: you program something, it don't get chaotic. If freak Nick
- 16:31Speaker 8: was programmed, it wouldn't have got chaotic. It would have
- 16:33Speaker 8: been similar to the Essence Festival right now. We all
- 16:36Speaker 8: would be, you know, talking about how it started, how
- 16:39Speaker 8: great it is, you know.
- 16:40Speaker 1: But again, it just it.
- 16:41Speaker 8: Takes a programming an organization to do something like that.
- 16:46Speaker 8: And I think you could kind of bring it back
- 16:48Speaker 8: and be able to give a large portion of the
- 16:51Speaker 8: money to HBCUs and things like that, do it in
- 16:54Speaker 8: a positive way. I'm a firm believer of taking something
- 16:56Speaker 8: that was so negative and then creating a positive out
- 16:59Speaker 8: of it.
- 17:00Speaker 1: If you could do that, you know, it'll be a
- 17:01Speaker 1: good thing.
- 17:02Speaker 8: I don't want woke Nick thought you want the girls
- 17:07Speaker 8: sitting on your face.
- 17:08Speaker 4: No, I'm married, But I want some young young man
- 17:11Speaker 4: experience that I.
- 17:13Speaker 1: Want just send them out on the weekend with you.
- 17:18Speaker 4: But I do like what you said cause I never
- 17:19Speaker 4: thought about it. Freak Nick didn't have no programming. It
- 17:22Speaker 4: was just everybody was just out.
- 17:23Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's what they do.
- 17:24Speaker 8: That's what they do when when they want to shut
- 17:26Speaker 8: something down for young African American kids, no different than
- 17:29Speaker 8: what's going on on Miami Beach right now, you know, Uh,
- 17:33Speaker 8: they'll take it and and and when they want to
- 17:35Speaker 8: gentrified neighborhood.
- 17:37Speaker 1: They let crime, crime, crime, throw it on TV.
- 17:40Speaker 8: Crime is bad, it's all this, you know, and let
- 17:42Speaker 8: it just go real bad so the general public can
- 17:45Speaker 8: be behind what they getting ready to really do, which
- 17:48Speaker 8: is shut something down, are going.
- 17:51Speaker 1: To take over a neighborhood.
- 17:52Speaker 4: That's how you feel about South Beach canceling.
- 17:54Speaker 8: Yeah, this South Beach got one of the most racist
- 17:57Speaker 8: governments ever the mankind. And it's they have a blueprint
- 18:02Speaker 8: for whatever council come in and whatever mayor comes in
- 18:05Speaker 8: a spring breaking Memorial Day weekend.
- 18:08Speaker 1: You know, I always tell people just don't go there,
- 18:10Speaker 1: don't go spend your money there.
- 18:12Speaker 2: It always bothered me because when you see the white
- 18:14Speaker 2: schools and the white people do their spring break, right,
- 18:16Speaker 2: they got crime, they drinking and.
- 18:18Speaker 3: Driving, their public intoxfication, it's fighting and all that.
- 18:21Speaker 2: They kind of get swept under rug they don't have
- 18:23Speaker 2: a problem, but when it's us, they shut it down
- 18:26Speaker 2: like and they go hard.
- 18:27Speaker 3: Like like you said, spring break in Miami where they
- 18:29Speaker 3: say two hundred and thirty people got arrested. Those are
- 18:31Speaker 3: college kids.
- 18:31Speaker 2: How they gonna fee to get it exactly, so we're
- 18:33Speaker 2: being drunk like that was what spring break was around.
- 18:35Speaker 3: You walk around with your red cup.
- 18:36Speaker 1: And have a good time. And what people don't realize
- 18:38Speaker 1: is you have a white spring break.
- 18:41Speaker 8: Well white colleges go all at the same time, and
- 18:44Speaker 8: then later in the springtime, you have all the black
- 18:48Speaker 8: colleges that have spring break at the same time. So
- 18:52Speaker 8: they know, you know, they know the schedules of these
- 18:56Speaker 8: different colleges, and like right now it's black college spring
- 18:59Speaker 8: break around the world because all of the black college
- 19:02Speaker 8: kind of.
- 19:03Speaker 1: Do that, do that spring break the same time, and
- 19:05Speaker 1: so that's why you have it like that. The same
- 19:08Speaker 1: thing as Carolina Brother and deal with the myrtle beats.
- 19:10Speaker 4: The same thing happened black Bike weekend. It's not white
- 19:14Speaker 4: bike WEGND but it was like two weeks ago.
- 19:16Speaker 3: It's like it was kind of like white Bike, but
- 19:18Speaker 3: they just.
- 19:18Speaker 5: Call this bike week exactly one. It's called Black Bike Week.
- 19:21Speaker 5: It's you know, completely different and shut down.
- 19:23Speaker 7: So did you hear earthquake when he was up here
- 19:26Speaker 7: Luke and he said that he dropped a nuclear missile.
- 19:31Speaker 1: You can't miss y'all show when he told me.
- 19:36Speaker 8: When I when I heard that story right here on
- 19:38Speaker 8: your show, it's like, I'm like, oh lord, this man,
- 19:42Speaker 8: this man find to blame me.
- 19:46Speaker 1: My dog too quick. I mean, hey, but that was
- 19:49Speaker 1: that was funny.
- 19:51Speaker 8: Yeah.
- 19:51Speaker 7: Do you still feel like hip hop forgot about Florida
- 19:53Speaker 7: when fifty celebrations?
- 19:56Speaker 1: No, no question about it.
- 19:57Speaker 8: I mean we it was we had the going you know,
- 20:00Speaker 8: me and Trick that he had to actually go on
- 20:02Speaker 8: social media and say, hey.
- 20:04Speaker 1: You forgot about it? That's what the fuck is going on.
- 20:06Speaker 1: We're part of this, We're major part of this.
- 20:09Speaker 8: And then people start calling up and like, oh, we're sorry,
- 20:12Speaker 8: Oh we want to have invite you, we want you
- 20:14Speaker 8: to be a part of this.
- 20:16Speaker 1: And everything like that. So I mean that that's that's
- 20:18Speaker 1: been happening in my entire career.
- 20:20Speaker 8: And that's that's why I'm you know, before I was mad,
- 20:23Speaker 8: but like right now, being able to tell all these
- 20:26Speaker 8: stories in different forms, The Freak Nick Coach, Luke Uh,
- 20:32Speaker 8: this other show that we're partnering up with Lebron.
- 20:35Speaker 4: That we get ready to do on you know, scripted
- 20:38Speaker 4: series that could be the book of Luke.
- 20:41Speaker 1: Ah, that's gonna be properly the Dark Side of Luke. Okay, yeah,
- 20:44Speaker 1: and so and and give you a real story of Miami.
- 20:48Speaker 8: And you know, between that and the in the in
- 20:51Speaker 8: the movie that we're doing with Will Packer, and then
- 20:53Speaker 8: the other uh, the other show with me coaching that
- 20:57Speaker 8: we're doing with Smack and straight Hand and all them.
- 21:00Speaker 8: So you will see all these different pieces of being
- 21:03Speaker 8: able to tell these different stories, which I'm happy right now.
- 21:07Speaker 8: So I pretty much created a damn film company out
- 21:10Speaker 8: of the whole thing because they didn't tell the story.
- 21:13Speaker 1: And then I'll get to tell my own story.
- 21:14Speaker 7: But you hip hop pioneer, Uncle, Look, that's what pisses
- 21:17Speaker 7: me off when people have these conversations about hip hop
- 21:20Speaker 7: pioneers and hip hop moguls. You wanted the original ones.
- 21:24Speaker 7: We don't get down South hip hop without Uncle.
- 21:26Speaker 3: You don't think they realized what he sacrificed.
- 21:28Speaker 1: Again went through.
- 21:31Speaker 4: I don't think you fought the government for hip hop.
- 21:37Speaker 8: And we got locked up, got locked up like he
- 21:39Speaker 8: fought for him on many wasn't fight by himself like
- 21:43Speaker 8: I was literally fighting. Yeah, I mean and and just
- 21:46Speaker 8: like you say, man, nobody came to my defense. There
- 21:50Speaker 8: wasn't no nobody in the industry. Matter of fact, people
- 21:53Speaker 8: in the industry was talking ship about me. I mean
- 21:55Speaker 8: it would going Donnie Simpson show other rappers and be like, oh,
- 21:58Speaker 8: that's not hip hop. You know, got to the point
- 22:00Speaker 8: where when we did shows with hip hop artists that
- 22:04Speaker 8: they would say, oh, put them on last, and then
- 22:06Speaker 8: they would all would leave because you know how you
- 22:08Speaker 8: do a show, everybody on the side seeing who rocked
- 22:10Speaker 8: the stage and shit. So we we we had to
- 22:12Speaker 8: go through a lot, you know people, But then people
- 22:15Speaker 8: start understanding. And that's why, you know, I was happy
- 22:18Speaker 8: that we put Savager part of this because when he
- 22:20Speaker 8: looked at you know, you know, this young kid is
- 22:24Speaker 8: trying to understand, you know, just what went on, you know,
- 22:27Speaker 8: this part of history, you know, and people like aside Rocket,
- 22:31Speaker 8: when I'd sit down conversation with him. You know, man,
- 22:34Speaker 8: I would just embrace the history. So you got some
- 22:37Speaker 8: artists that go deep into it and then they just
- 22:40Speaker 8: want the vibe and like know where this shit came from.
- 22:43Speaker 8: But then you got a lot of people that really
- 22:45Speaker 8: try to brush it up under the rug. But you know,
- 22:48Speaker 8: this doctor, this doctor be the beginning of something big.
- 22:52Speaker 8: I think because this is the only this is the
- 22:54Speaker 8: only description of the South. You know, on this level,
- 22:57Speaker 8: you don't have nothing that ever been done on the South.
- 23:01Speaker 8: And I think a large part of it didn't want
- 23:02Speaker 8: to tell the story because then a lot of people
- 23:04Speaker 8: had to give me too much credit, you feel me,
- 23:07Speaker 8: and so you know, when you do that, then it'll
- 23:09Speaker 8: be like, Okay, who the fuck was the part of this?
- 23:11Speaker 1: And not telling these stories.
- 23:12Speaker 7: I think because so much of the media was in
- 23:15Speaker 7: New York back then, so that's who they documented as
- 23:19Speaker 7: opposed to the Lukes that you made the prize?
- 23:21Speaker 4: Did J Prince's the masterpiece?
- 23:23Speaker 7: Like it wasn't until maybe early two thousands when you
- 23:26Speaker 7: started seeing like the South really get his profits and honestly,
- 23:30Speaker 7: probably because.
- 23:30Speaker 1: Of cash money, yeah yeah, yeah.
- 23:33Speaker 4: And denial the numbers was too crazy.
- 23:34Speaker 1: They numbers was crazy.
- 23:35Speaker 8: I mean and just like you say they were, you know,
- 23:38Speaker 8: when you see, I was never affiliated with a major label.
- 23:42Speaker 1: Only one time I was affiliated with.
- 23:46Speaker 8: Atlantic Records, and that kind of went bad because Sylvia
- 23:50Speaker 8: Ron never embraced me, you know, and what we were
- 23:54Speaker 8: doing as far as the label, and then we kind
- 23:56Speaker 8: of jumped off of that real quick. But at the
- 23:58Speaker 8: same time, so everybody got that big machine behind them,
- 24:02Speaker 8: you know, I never had a big machine in which
- 24:04Speaker 8: I was happy, you know at the time, because I
- 24:07Speaker 8: got all the money, you feel me, I you know, shit,
- 24:09Speaker 8: I we pressed the records and manufactured them and sent
- 24:12Speaker 8: them out and we pretty much got all the money
- 24:14Speaker 8: off of the records, and everybody.
- 24:16Speaker 1: Kind of live good.
- 24:17Speaker 8: But at the end of the day, you know, that's
- 24:19Speaker 8: why it leads all the way up up to down
- 24:21Speaker 8: that I can really tell them stories, you know, because
- 24:24Speaker 8: a lot of people don't know a lot of people
- 24:25Speaker 8: don't know my I had the first download record ever
- 24:28Speaker 8: in the history when you look up the history books,
- 24:32Speaker 8: which banned in the USA, and when I came up
- 24:35Speaker 8: with the idea of letting every radio station play it
- 24:39Speaker 8: on the fourth of July at the same time, and
- 24:40Speaker 8: then you know, that's when I was with Atlantic and
- 24:43Speaker 8: they downloaded the ship.
- 24:45Speaker 1: I was like, how you mean download? You know? And
- 24:46Speaker 1: I never even knew that existed.
- 24:49Speaker 8: So it's a lot of different things you know that
- 24:51Speaker 8: people don't know that, you know, through these projects that
- 24:55Speaker 8: that I'm doing, that they'll get.
- 24:56Speaker 4: The story to go to they gotta go more quicks.
- 25:00Speaker 7: Why do you think they tried to ban what you
- 25:02Speaker 7: was doing when literally all you was doing was making
- 25:05Speaker 7: people dance, making people have sex. But you have all
- 25:08Speaker 7: these artists who are killing people on records, selling drugs
- 25:10Speaker 7: on records.
- 25:11Speaker 4: I don't see nobody trying to band them. Why did
- 25:13Speaker 4: they try to ban you?
- 25:14Speaker 8: Well, I mean the thing is I was I was
- 25:18Speaker 8: the first, you know what I'm saying. It was the
- 25:19Speaker 8: first to cuss on the records, you know. But it
- 25:22Speaker 8: was really it was really fun because we say, I
- 25:25Speaker 8: looked at what everybody was doing everywhere else, what they
- 25:27Speaker 8: was doing in Cali, what they was doing in New York,
- 25:30Speaker 8: and you know, I was like, Okay, we ain't gonna
- 25:32Speaker 8: sample James Brown.
- 25:33Speaker 1: We can't be like somebody else. We gotta be like
- 25:35Speaker 1: where we're from.
- 25:36Speaker 8: A lot of people don't understand Miami is half naked
- 25:39Speaker 8: people walking around everywhere, you know, strip clubs, naked. So
- 25:42Speaker 8: so when when they came after us, it was because,
- 25:46Speaker 8: you know, for a couple of reasons. Won the album covers.
- 25:49Speaker 8: You know, they you know, they were exotic. Then the
- 25:52Speaker 8: back of the album cover the titles were, you know,
- 25:55Speaker 8: face down the ass up. Hey, he wants to puts
- 25:57Speaker 8: me in all that. I do that because I had
- 25:58Speaker 8: no money, you know what I'm saying.
- 26:00Speaker 1: And uh, and I had no budget, you know.
- 26:02Speaker 8: And so at the end of the day, when you
- 26:04Speaker 8: looked at the music and when you when you listen
- 26:06Speaker 8: to it, uh, then it started crossing over into white
- 26:11Speaker 8: households and that became Then I became a target.
- 26:14Speaker 1: Same time you had the music industry same way.
- 26:17Speaker 8: You know, the music industry was against what I was
- 26:19Speaker 8: doing because I was taking sales away from everybody else,
- 26:22Speaker 8: you know, and then when you take sales away, then
- 26:24Speaker 8: it's like, Okay, we gotta shut this motherfucker down. So
- 26:26Speaker 8: then they send Tip of Gore our Gore's wife after me,
- 26:30Speaker 8: you know, uh, and put me on this list. You know,
- 26:33Speaker 8: they they tell George Lucas because at the time my
- 26:36Speaker 8: name was Luke Skywalker Records.
- 26:38Speaker 1: You gotta suit this motherfucker.
- 26:40Speaker 8: So they were pulling me from all different angles, you know,
- 26:42Speaker 8: how to pay him a big ass settlement Lucas.
- 26:45Speaker 1: Yeah, I had a big ass lawsuit with this motherfucker.
- 26:48Speaker 8: That's why I don't look at No Star Wars right
- 26:50Speaker 8: now the UK records did he sued me in and
- 26:57Speaker 8: uh I had.
- 26:58Speaker 1: To pay got them?
- 26:59Speaker 3: Uh then you can tell us now right or now?
- 27:01Speaker 1: It was a half a million dollars, you know.
- 27:03Speaker 8: Uh back then, you know, and I kind of you
- 27:06Speaker 8: know when I saw Kenny Skywalker, okay Looke Skywalker, you know,
- 27:10Speaker 8: and this you ain't sue this motherus. So I had
- 27:13Speaker 8: a whole bunch of shit that I was going through
- 27:15Speaker 8: at the time. And again, you know, a lot of
- 27:18Speaker 8: people think that it was one case. It was actually
- 27:20Speaker 8: three cases. It was one the Royal Orpiser case. Uh,
- 27:24Speaker 8: that went to the spring court.
- 27:25Speaker 1: I won that. If I don't win that, you don't
- 27:28Speaker 1: you know, there's the more satire, there's the more Saturday
- 27:31Speaker 1: Night Live and none of that ship. You can't you know,
- 27:34Speaker 1: make a joke about somebody.
- 27:35Speaker 4: Then they had the uh oh so satire that was
- 27:38Speaker 4: a satire case. That was a satire that didn't just
- 27:40Speaker 4: change music that changed TV and the.
- 27:44Speaker 8: Internet, because right now they used my case for any
- 27:48Speaker 8: Internet claim, whether it's you know, uh, you know, uh,
- 27:52Speaker 8: intellectual property, it became an intellectual property, uh satire case.
- 27:56Speaker 1: And so when you had that ship going on, you know,
- 27:59Speaker 1: now you know, I'm fighting this.
- 28:03Speaker 8: I got to go get this this ruling overturn that
- 28:06Speaker 8: the record is deemed I've seen by.
- 28:08Speaker 1: This federal judge.
- 28:09Speaker 8: And then I then say fuck him when we go
- 28:11Speaker 8: down the street and perform, and then go to jail
- 28:13Speaker 8: for it. So I got three cases going on at
- 28:15Speaker 8: one time, plus you know, plus all the other shit
- 28:18Speaker 8: happening around me trying to run a record company and
- 28:21Speaker 8: all that. And that's why that's why, you know, I
- 28:23Speaker 8: got really really really deep into the into the politics
- 28:27Speaker 8: of it though, you know, and uh and seeing where.
- 28:30Speaker 1: It was coming from.
- 28:31Speaker 3: How much did you spend a lawyer fees back then?
- 28:33Speaker 1: Oh shit, millions of dollars. But then the crazy part,
- 28:36Speaker 1: I ain't had to do it. I wasn't going to jail,
- 28:38Speaker 1: you know.
- 28:39Speaker 8: I knew the big picture, and the big picture it
- 28:41Speaker 8: was really they was coming out to hip hop, you know,
- 28:44Speaker 8: and they was coming out to me. Yeah, I was
- 28:46Speaker 8: a part of the game because I was low hanging fruit.
- 28:48Speaker 8: I'm not affiliated with a major label, because I'm sitting
- 28:51Speaker 8: there like, motherfucker Andrew Dice Clay saying work shit than
- 28:54Speaker 8: me on the record, but he's on this label here.
- 28:58Speaker 8: So you start putting two and two together and all that,
- 29:01Speaker 8: and before you know it, you know, you see how
- 29:03Speaker 8: that ship is played out.
- 29:04Speaker 2: Crazy because you said what you did is really to
- 29:08Speaker 2: fight for hip hop for the next artist, but the
- 29:10Speaker 2: artists didn't support you at all. All hip hop artists
- 29:12Speaker 2: basically said fuck you. But you still knew the bigger picture.
- 29:15Speaker 8: Yeah, I looked at it from a bigger picture standpoint
- 29:17Speaker 8: because I know, all right, these motherfuckers stupid right now,
- 29:20Speaker 8: you know, the industry is.
- 29:22Speaker 1: Not supporting me. You know. I remember going to the
- 29:24Speaker 1: Grammys and they was like.
- 29:26Speaker 8: We want you to go to the Grammys and everything,
- 29:28Speaker 8: and we're gonna celebrate your fight for free speech and
- 29:32Speaker 8: all this shit.
- 29:32Speaker 1: And I go there, I sit down on the third
- 29:35Speaker 1: row and they man start having this big.
- 29:37Speaker 8: Speech by you know, artists being attacked and we're fighting,
- 29:42Speaker 8: you know, we're supporting all this and everything, you know,
- 29:44Speaker 8: our artists for free expression and everything. And right now,
- 29:47Speaker 8: we want to honor a person who's out there on
- 29:50Speaker 8: the road doing it every night.
- 29:53Speaker 1: Madonna. I ain't never went back to fucking Grammys.
- 30:01Speaker 8: This was the last time when you know, celebration of
- 30:04Speaker 8: the fifty I went back there. They said that ship.
- 30:06Speaker 8: I was like, I don't walked up.
- 30:08Speaker 1: In there with my ship on. They taking the pictures
- 30:11Speaker 1: and all that. No, that that it was crazy, man.
- 30:14Speaker 8: But but again that that's why I got so deep
- 30:16Speaker 8: into fucking politics, man, because I know everything is political.
- 30:20Speaker 7: I'd love to see that genre of bass music come back.
- 30:23Speaker 7: There's a couple of artists that's that's doing it a
- 30:25Speaker 7: little bit. And I saw that you was in the
- 30:26Speaker 7: studio with Karsha.
- 30:28Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, she's bringing it back. She's bringing
- 30:31Speaker 8: it back. I mean, it's soon that that we did together.
- 30:34Speaker 8: I mean, you know, because I don't go in the
- 30:36Speaker 8: studio for no fucking body. I mean people call me
- 30:39Speaker 8: all the time, you know, go and sample the ship,
- 30:42Speaker 8: you know, so you know, only two people could get
- 30:44Speaker 8: me in there, Missy. I went in there with her,
- 30:47Speaker 8: uh before COVID and then with Kresha, you know, and uh,
- 30:52Speaker 8: you know, I heard the track and I was like, Okay,
- 30:54Speaker 8: I could fuck with that, you know what I'm saying.
- 30:56Speaker 1: And we went in there and not that out, real,
- 30:58Speaker 1: real easy.
- 31:00Speaker 8: I think it's gonna be a big summer club banger
- 31:04Speaker 8: and everything. I'm looking forward to people listening to it.
- 31:07Speaker 3: Right.
- 31:07Speaker 2: All right, ladies and gentlemen, make sure you check out
- 31:10Speaker 2: freak Nick the Wirelace Party.
- 31:11Speaker 7: Never told now they should build a statue of Uncle
- 31:15Speaker 7: Luke in every major hip hop city.
- 31:17Speaker 4: I'm not you of joking New York, l A.
- 31:22Speaker 1: Do I get to have a Jenitalor's hanging?
- 31:24Speaker 3: No, you know what, Nikki Bob, Uncle Luke. It's the
- 31:32Speaker 3: Breakfast Club.
- 31:33Speaker 1: Good morning, wake till ass up in the morning. The
- 31:36Speaker 1: Breakfast Club.