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May 13, 2026 Court Hearings: Judge Boyd Sentences Father, Judge Stevens Hears Victim Impact, Judge O'Donnell Revokes Probation + More | TCF Podcast #290 · The Courtroom Files

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  Good morning everybody. Happy Wednesday.
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  Welcome to TCF Live. My name is Dan Soul.
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  I will guide you through our three hour journey through
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  Courtlandia. We'll get started in Michigan.
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  Magistrate Chisholm. It's one expired plates, one no
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  proof of insurance and the other is using a mobile device.
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  Asked insurance. Was your vehicle insured on the
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  day you got the ticket? No, it was not.
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  Your Honor, I got my insurance and my license and my tags like
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  two or three days after I got pulled over and I was on my
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  phone, I was on maps going back to my house after going on a
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  date with my. Girlfriend.
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  No, you you were holding the electronic device while you were
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  operating the vehicle. That's correct, yes.
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  So Caicos, is there anything you want to add to any of these
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  matters? Did he get those plates updated,
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  your honor? He he said he did.
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  OK, and my. Insurance.
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  Do you have the registrations? Do I have them?
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  Right now, yeah. But I think they're in my car.
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  I can't show you on camera, but if you look at my, I don't know
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  if there's a way for you to look at my information, but
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  everything should be updated, yes.
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  Everything should be updated, yes.
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  That's. That's why we're here as you go
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  to the car and get the registration and you you get the
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  proof of insurance at the same time.
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  Yeah, I got you. Put them back in the way.
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  I'm gonna do number next. Is Sergeant Desano there with
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  you? Yes, your eyes right here.
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  He's got Mr. Otero, this is citation 26 hour row 01667.
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  Mr. Otero, can you unmute yourself and turn on your
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  camera, please? Mr. Otero, if you turn on your
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  camera, you could show us the registration.
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  On OH. Sorry, let me go ahead and turn
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  on my camera. I didn't realize it was off.
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  You have the updated registration.
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  Yeah, I do. Let's see.
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  I have this right here. And then I should.
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  There's a date where your finger.
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  Is you can see at the bottom there's a date bottom left hand
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  corner. Yeah, you could read the first 8
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  digits, please. Your Honor says 327.
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  First 8 digit. 1st 8 digits. Yes, please read that.
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  All right. On the bottom left hand corners.
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  Yeah, the first 8 digits. Trying to say, I mean, it says
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  03/27/2020 six. Got you.
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  Thank you. Is there anything you want to
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  add to this officer? Motion to dismiss, Your Honor.
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  Thank you, Mr. Terry, You are good to go.
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  The ticket is dismissed thanks to the sergeant's motion.
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  Thank you. All right, Thank you.
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  That's You have one more and that's big Mojica.
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  Mr. Gonzalez. OK.
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  I don't see your other ticket here yet, Sergeant.
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  Which one? Which one is that?
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  I I have two more on my end. I don't know if the other one
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  already took care of it or not. Oh, yeah, I do see the third one
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  now. One is Mojica MOJIK and the
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  other is idle. OK.
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  Now we've got idle breakdown that Mr. Gonzalez.
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  We have Miss Bell admitted her Obama.
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  Miss, you're going to have the opportunity to consult privately
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  with Attorney Gonzalez before the arraignment.
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  You'll see on your screen an invitation to join breakout room
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  1. If you would join the breakout
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  room, you'll be speaking with the attorney privately.
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  The court will not be a party to the conversation.
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  Your Honor, is she assigned or a walk in?
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  She's at 10:30. OK, so the last shall be first.
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  We'll get Mr. Terrell back. Hello.
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  So I have the registration right here and the insurance is
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  electronic, so my dad's trying to find it.
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  He sent it to me on text and then I.
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  I. Have.
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  UPDATED Wait, would you read the bottom in the bottom left hand
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  corner? Would you read the first 8
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  digits please? Yeah, the bottom left hand
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  corner. It says my address and then it
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  says the bottom left hand corner.
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  This is. Not the insurance document, the
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  registration. Yeah, my dad's trying to find.
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  It's a electronic. Dad.
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  Did you find it yet? The the registration is paper.
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  The insurance can be electronic. What?
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  What do you have in your hand? Right registration.
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  OK. At the bottom left hand corner,
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  there's a long series of numbers.
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  If you would read the first eight of them, please.
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  Yeah, 02242026 gotcha. That's February 24th.
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  So the plates were expired when you got the ticket, but you
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  renewed them but a couple days later.
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  Yes, that's correct. I have the new.
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  Do you have a? Do you have anything you want to
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  add to any of these? Yes, sure.
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  Our motion to supposed to expire plates and then whatever the
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  court assessed the fines for the no proof insurance and then the
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  mobile device, I'll amend that to impeding traffic.
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  OK Mr. Term, as to the mobile device, the fine is $175.
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  So the officers motion saved you 50 bucks.
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  The expired plate ticket is dismissed pursuant to the
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  officers motion and the no proof of insurance is $175.
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  That's a different statute than the registration.
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  So you get one. 75175 is 350 that can be paid online, by
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  mail, or if you choose, you can bring it into the courthouse and
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  pay it at the counter. OK, thanks so much.
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  Thanks so much. Thank you.
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  All right, good morning once again, everybody.
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  It's TCF live on a Wednesday. Ashley asked in the chat if she
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  could fill out the public satisfaction survey that's
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  behind all of these Michigan judges.
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  Yes, you can 'cause I tried it yesterday and it is not region
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  restricted or anybody restricted, to be honest with
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  you. So yes, you can.
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  We always try to be instructive here at TCF.
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  Look at the X that is a bottom left hand corner.
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  So please feel free to clip this and and share that out there on
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  the interwebs because it's obvious that many could benefit
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  from understanding what a bottom left hand corner is all right,
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  let's have fun today. Let's do this.
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  Let's go to Lake County, Ohio, and we'll say good morning to
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  Judge O'Donnell. Thank you, Your honor.
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  We're here in the State of Ohio versus Catherine Harris, case
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  number 26 CR 167. The defendant is present with
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  counsel Jim Matthews. We were last here on April 8th,
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  2020. Sixth, where the defendant pled
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  guilty to amended Count one of the indictment attempted a legal
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  conveyance of drugs of abuse onto the grounds of a specified
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  governmental facility, a felony of the 4th degree with the
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  forfeiture specification count New possession of cocaine, a
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  felony of the 5th degree. Count 6, tampering with records,
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  amended to include the dates August 5th, 2025 through August
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  12th, 2025, as well as the initial dates and amended count
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  7, identity fraud, a felony of the 5th degree, also amended to
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  include the dates August 5th, 2025 through August 12th, 2025,
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  in addition to the initial dates.
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  And we are here today for sentencing.
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  Thank you, Mr. Matthews. Thank you, your Honor.
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  Miss Harris is requesting to be placed on community control.
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  As the court is aware she is currently on community control
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  in Cuyahoga County. Initially, the plan in Cuyahoga
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  County was for her to attend the CBCF, but unfortunately, due to
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  her medical issues, she was denied entry.
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  We are hopeful that the court will place her on community
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  control here. Perhaps she could even be
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  supervised by Cuyahoga County as that's more where she resides.
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  She does have a number of concerns regarding her medical
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  issues. She has experienced a couple of
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  blood sugar drops in the jail indicated that she was coming
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  very dizzy, sweating. She does have a number of
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  medical appointments that she needs to get to and.
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  He's hoping that the court. Will back in the sentence, your
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  Honor, that allows her to continue with her medical
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  treatment with her existing team of doctors and maintain some
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  sort of regulation over all of those issues.
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  On the outside you have a. Pacemaker.
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  And she has a pacemaker. Thank you.
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  OK, Miss Harris, what do you want to tell me before I
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  sentence you? I would.
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  Like to apologize to the courts, Hold full responsibility for my
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  actions. What?
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  What actions are you taking responsibility for?
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  The charges that was brought upon me.
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  All right, well, you indicate in this pre sentence report that
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  you really didn't do anything that you you didn't, you didn't
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  know anything about those drugs that were taken into the jail
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  beyond the blood pressure medication that you had
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  permission to have your sister's cards that you that you those
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  were. My cards speaking to.
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  And so you didn't really do anything wrong.
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  So what is it? You're taking responsibility.
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  For, you know, one of those were my cards.
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  I do. They have your sister's name on
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  them. No, they have my name on them.
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  Katherine Harris. I just used my sister name when
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  I was spoken to at Walmart for us the drug joiner that was my
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  purple toprol take there for high my high blood pressure.
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  That was in that purse, right? Yes.
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  That you that you said belong to your sister, right?
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  The purse my my blood pressure pill was in a a bag.
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  In the purse. Zip lock bag.
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  Yeah, I put it to the in the side of the purse.
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  I got the purse out because I didn't want nobody to just look
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  at that thing. Money was in there and I think
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  it was a piece of pipe like they say.
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  Cocaine residue was on it like a piece of glass from a pipe.
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  I don't do drugs, Johanna. Well, where before you put the
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  the blood pressure medication in the purse, where did you have
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  it? In my pocket.
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  And why did you take it out of your pocket?
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  Because when I got out to use the bathroom to go in, when I
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  sat down on the toilet, you know, I didn't want it to fall
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  out. So I just stuck it like on the
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  side of the pocket purse. Yeah.
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  So. Who, who was it that that you
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  went to Walmart with that day? It was my sister.
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  What's sister? What's her name?
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  Cassandra and her boyfriend, yeah.
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  And I stayed in the car 'cause I wasn't feeling good and I was
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  just asking them what was taking so long and they were like.
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  What we done? Where is Cassandra now?
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  She's in Alabama. What was she doing at Walmart
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  that day? Well, they came up here to
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  visit. There was a relative had a
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  funeral. I, I, I had a previous incident
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  with that store. I didn't even, I don't even go
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  in there without they was taking too long.
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  And then the officer said that the lady said that I had the
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  short receipts and I kept calling them and nobody answered
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  and they left me and they said we need the bags and I gave it
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  back to them. I didn't want no problem.
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  Where did they Why did they give you the bags to?
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  Take when I came in the store I met them to see what was taking
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  them so long and they was had they buggy with the bags.
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  So they was like we done, we got to go back and get something
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  else. Where did they go?
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  They said they had to get some school supplies.
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  So I took the bags onto the car and when I went back to the
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  store, see you know, the officer was coming towards me and he
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  said the young lady said I didn't have a receipt but I had
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  spoke to the officer and was talking to the officer on my way
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  out and he was like we need the bags.
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  I said sure. I gave it to one.
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  I'm like they need to call them, told them they need the receipt.
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  Nobody answered and the security lady said your ride has left
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  you. They left me.
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  Where'd they go? They left me at the store.
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  Where they went, I don't know. After that they just left me at
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  the store. You ever done this before?
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  Used Cassandra's name. Once well, I did it because I
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  was pretty mad Joanna, I'm I'm not going to lie, I was mad
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  because they I feel like I was a fall guy and he's you know, I
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  know people do a lot of things. I have done a lot of things in
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  my life and I got my life. I turned it around and.
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  So had you ever done that before?
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  Used her name. Use Cassandra name I I think so.
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  You think so? Or you did I?
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  Don't, dear Cassandra, I use her name.
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  Yeah, right. Why did you use her name this
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  time? I just thought they wanted to
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  talk to me, you know, about the people at Walmart.
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  OK, but why did? You.
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  Oh, because they left me and put me in, you know, they set me up
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  for that. They left me.
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  They went answer the phone to bring the receipt.
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  You know I know. I'm trying to figure out why you
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  pled guilty if you didn't do anything wrong.
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  Because I felt like that was the way that I can get my case over
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  listening to my attorney, he said.
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  That's the best thing for me to do.
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  That's what Mr. Matt. Well, if.
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  If if you had done these things, that was a pretty good result,
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  pretty good resolution of the case.
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  If you had done these things, problem is you you're insisting
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  you didn't do these things. No, I was, but I felt that I
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  don't know how to put it. I I don't know how to put it.
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  Yes, I did push that buggy out that store.
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  I sure did. But when they said they needed a
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  receipt and I didn't go in there and get anything, I gave them
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  their bags back because. Where where were you living
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  between the summer of O 9 and the summer of 23?
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  O 9 and 23, Yeah. Back and forth from Alabama to
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  Cleveland. The 2023 I was here in Ohio.
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  Right, you were in Willoughby court for a theft.
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  Yes. What did you do on that?
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  What was that theft? That's what I'm saying.
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  That's why that was that I had a problem with that once before.
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  That's why I didn't go in that store.
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  I know what you stole from Walmart.
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  We went through the check, check out line, Yeah, and a couple
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  things that we didn't pay for. Who's we?
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  Some friends that I used to hang with that I don't see anymore,
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  you know? What about this this robbery and
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  drug possession in Cuyahoga County that you're on probation
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  for? What happened there?
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  I gamble a lot. That's my problem.
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  And I never robbed nobody, Your Honor, they had had the CMHH
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  police put it like a robbery. Somebody said I took $40 from
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  this lady and there's a lot of people I help out when I got it
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  and some and when I don't give it to them, they do a lot of
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  things to me just like over here in this jail.
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  I have been through so much in this jail till I feel like you
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  just sentenced me to death. That's just how I feel right
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  now, so. Why did they charge you with
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  robbery? Why did you plead?
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  Did you plead guilty in that case?
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  I don't. Know why did.
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  You go to trial. I didn't go to trial, no.
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  So you plead guilty to robbery? Yes I did.
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  That's how do trying to get it over.
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  It So what happened? What was the robbery?
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  The, the, the girl owed me $20 and she was hesitating to give
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  it to me and my Uber ride was waiting for me as I sort of like
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  got, you know, where she was trying to give me the money.
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  I was like, hurry up. So I got the wallet and I got my
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  own $20. And I see on there they said 40,
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  but it was 20. And then I left with her
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  boyfriend. They do drugs, they do a
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  boyfriend or the nephew, whatever pushed her up to say
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  that I'm in the in the apartment gambling and I'm outside talking
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  to CMH police, that they robbing me while I'm in there, you know?
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  But no, it was. I don't.
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  I ain't that bad, no. What was the drug possession?
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  What did you have? They it was some some garbage.
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  It was some garbage that they looked through the I don't know
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  what it was. I didn't even see it.
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  It was a lot. Was it?
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  It was my friend's boyfriend. So you didn't do anything on.
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  That I'm talking about the the what now?
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  Well, you were, from what I can tell you, pled guilty to robbery
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  and drug possession in Cuyahoga County.
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  Yes, OK. So.
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  What you're telling me is you didn't commit the robbery and
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  you didn't have any drugs. It was in the garbage can in the
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  apartment that wasn't yours. It wasn't.
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  It wasn't in the garbage can. It was like when they cleaned
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  the table off in a small. Why did they charge you with
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  that? Because when they came in, I had
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  the garbage in my hand. You know we cleaned the table
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  off to get the table cleaning to play cards.
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  And. They kicked the bag up and
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  started looking. It was, I don't know what was in
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  it, but they said it was really like I said, listening to my
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  attorney. I wanted to do a trial, but they
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  said it would be bringing them in, you know, listening to
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  attorneys just wanted it over without.
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  My life is not like that. Well, looks like it's like that
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  for the last few years. I mean, that's yeah, I could say
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  I've carried a little bumps and bruises the last few years
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  because my kids got grown, moved out, had too much free time and
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  started going back to the old crowd and, you know, and.
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  Was there a Miss Canals? Was there a victim impact
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  statement received from Cassandra?
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  There was not, Your honor, she did call me.
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  You did you speak with her? I did.
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  What did she tell you? She asked if she had to complete
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  the statement and I told her she did not, and then she told me
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  that her sister does this all the time.
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  And she wishes. My sister didn't tell me that,
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  she told me that two guys was trying to get her to press
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  charges on me and she didn't want to and.
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  That what two guys? I don't know who she spoke to,
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  but she told me that they kept calling her and saying.
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  Well, they didn't press charge. She didn't press charges.
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  I knew the police arrested you in.
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  Charge. I know she said that they was
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  calling her two press charges on me getting her to press charge.
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  I mean, she said she told no, she didn't want to do that when
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  they sent her the package and stuff.
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  What? She said they sent her a
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  package. When did you talk to her?
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  I talk to my sister all the time.
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  Did you, how did, how did they discover that you were actually
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  Katherine Harris instead of Cassandra?
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  Do you know? I don't know.
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  Well, did Cassandra call you or did you call Cassandra when you
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  were in the Cuyahoga County Jail?
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  No. What's her?
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  What is her, What is? What are one of the names
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  Cassandra goes by? Dee Dee.
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  What else? Jacqueline.
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  Is it lele? I'm Lele.
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  You're lele, I see. I get confused.
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  I get, I get confused, 'cause you're Catherine.
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  Right. I'm Catherine.
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  Cassandra. OK, OK, so that's how they
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  figured out you weren't Cassandra.
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  Yeah. OK.
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  So you think you you say you think you might have done this
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  once before. Now I use my sister Cassandra
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  name. OK well I apologize I like I
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  said I went towards the wrong direction.
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  I've been doing so good in my life especially when I found out
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  I had this heart trouble and stuff.
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  Like I said, I was just angry. Why are you causing such a
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  ruckus in the jail all the time? See, that's what I'm about to
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  get to. I'm not causing ruckus in the
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  jail, Your honor. I I'm a peacemaker.
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  I don't care what my background show.
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  I'm a peacemaker. You got people in jail.
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  We got to live together because we all housed together.
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  You got some people in a group that want to take control over
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  TV's, tablets and when I get to saying stuff like Cher, they get
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  mad and secret kite me. Well, I mean, there's simple
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  things that you just won't comply with.
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  What is that? I comply with any and
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  everything. I give them the utmost respect.
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  March 6, you were you were charged with a you were locked
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  down for 23 hours because you you weren't ready for the
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  headcount. I had just got to jail and I
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  didn't know how it went. You noticed every time I'm
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  locked down, it's about Anderson.
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  I mean for nothing. I don't even Sergeant Co
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  Anderson. I don't even know why I'd be
• 20:40
  getting moved from different Co People do different.
• 20:44
  You got inmates jail you surrounded by different type of.
• 20:48
  You got 123. 7. Six different things on.
• 20:53
  Here, right? And I've got tablets, TV
• 20:55
  disarges. Usually if I have a sentencing
• 20:57
  and there's one that that's unusual, you got 6.
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  It's not my fault, Your Honor. I know nothing's your.
• 21:03
  Fault. Yeah.
• 21:04
  I mean, I it's my only Sir. When I talk biblical to people
• 21:10
  like get along and let's share. We got to live together.
• 21:14
  These people get mad and then they write secrets.
• 21:17
  And quit talking to them about the stuff.
• 21:20
  They don't want to hear it while you're talking about it.
• 21:22
  Because you got black and white, that's simple.
• 21:25
  Black and white. Let me just say it.
• 21:26
  Then it's that we got black people and we got white people
• 21:28
  in the jail. The white people want control
• 21:31
  over everything. They want power over everything.
• 21:33
  And when I speak up for us, you know, let us watch TV.
• 21:37
  Let us watch what we want to watch.
• 21:38
  Let us use the tablet. When they get up in the morning
• 21:41
  time, they grab 2 and 3 tablets for their friends.
• 21:44
  We don't have a tablet. You know, they say we all agreed
• 21:47
  to watch the TV program. We can't watch TV.
• 21:51
  You know, it's not like I'm taking a racial thing.
• 21:54
  And then but it's always about them.
• 21:56
  You know, we have other inmates in jail.
• 21:59
  Let us do something that all let's all come together, you
• 22:02
  know, and and get an understanding of who can watch
• 22:05
  what, who could do this. Like Sergeant said, it's stupid.
• 22:09
  You know, Sergeant, whenever he said you got, it's only about
• 22:11
  TV's and tablets and you know, I can't just, these are young
• 22:16
  kids, you know, they group up, they're in a group, they want to
• 22:19
  table all night with voices echoing, you know, and I don't
• 22:24
  want to look at it like it's a racial thing.
• 22:26
  But let me say this here. I've been through hell in that
• 22:29
  jail for no reason. I've been through hell in that
• 22:33
  jail for people riding kites on me by me respecting them,
• 22:36
  telling them words of encouragement.
• 22:38
  What did you what, what was the drug that you had that you were
• 22:43
  charged with the conveyance with?
• 22:45
  OK, it was a piece of glass pipe.
• 22:49
  What else? Was there, it was a, they said,
• 22:52
  a Suboxone strip. Where was that located?
• 22:55
  The Suboxone strip was in between my credit cards, in
• 22:58
  between my cards. In the shoe.
• 23:00
  In my shoe. Those was my I had no purse.
• 23:03
  It was it my business was in because I had just left the the
• 23:05
  hospital and I had all my stuff in my shoe and like I said, I
• 23:09
  get. The Suboxone.
• 23:11
  From I got it. I think it from a guy just being
• 23:14
  around people saying let me get one of them.
• 23:16
  You know, for. What?
• 23:18
  For what? Why would he give you a
• 23:19
  suboxone? I don't know.
• 23:22
  People take Suboxone, I think, and I was going to because I'd
• 23:25
  be around a lot of white girls that do heroin and I would have
• 23:29
  probably gave it to them. I don't do drugs, Joanna.
• 23:31
  Well, if you don't do drugs, what are you doing with drugs?
• 23:34
  I didn't have what my pill in that suboxone that do.
• 23:37
  Suboxone is a drug that you didn't that you just can't.
• 23:41
  You can't have Suboxone unless it's prescribed.
• 23:45
  Like I said, I'd be around people that do these and I have.
• 23:47
  Why would you if somebody gives you a how did you know it was
• 23:50
  Suboxone? How did I know what it was?
• 23:52
  Yeah, because all the people that I'd be around, they do.
• 23:55
  Why? Are you?
• 23:56
  If you if you don't do drugs, why are you hanging around
• 23:58
  people who do drugs? They'd be in the vicinity where
• 24:00
  we'd be at gambling in the high rise.
• 24:03
  Where? On Way Park.
• 24:06
  Yeah, well, I play a lot of poker and tongue, but with my
• 24:11
  tradition. I don't.
• 24:12
  If you don't do drugs and somebody gives you drugs, why
• 24:15
  did you take the drugs? I took the Suboxone.
• 24:17
  Like I said, I'd be around girls that do heroin and I know they'd
• 24:21
  be talking about Suboxone and I would have gave it to them.
• 24:24
  I right? You would.
• 24:25
  You were just going to give it to somebody else?
• 24:27
  Yes. Yes, I don't do drugs.
• 24:32
  Well. My conditions, I've been, I
• 24:34
  don't even do marijuana with my pacemaker and my diabetes, I
• 24:38
  stopped that. Only thing I do is I like to
• 24:40
  play cards, I like to play poker.
• 24:42
  Like I don't. I mean, like I said, I did the
• 24:45
  wrong way of going back when my boys left home.
• 24:49
  But my life has been good. You know, I've had a excellent,
• 24:55
  I've been stable. I've been stable.
• 24:57
  I don't have hunky Dory pass so. Why does why does Cassandra tell
• 25:03
  Miss Canals that you you, you keep doing this?
• 25:06
  You keep using her name all over the place, which causes her
• 25:09
  problems? Why does she say you keep doing
• 25:11
  that? Cassandra might have just said
• 25:13
  something out of the way, but Cassandra know I don't keep
• 25:16
  using her name. She know my sister, don't she?
• 25:19
  She probably just probably misunderstood Cassandra.
• 25:21
  I don't keep doing this. Did you misunderstand Cassandra
• 25:24
  when you when you talk to her, Jennifer?
• 25:26
  I don't. Believe.
• 25:28
  I did, John. OK.
• 25:30
  I don't know. I don't know how I reconcile all
• 25:33
  all that you've told me. Because what you've told me is
• 25:36
  that on the on the theft from Walmart in 23, it wasn't really
• 25:42
  your fault. I didn't say that, I said I had
• 25:45
  a. On the robbery and the drug
• 25:46
  possession in Cuyahoga, it wasn't you didn't do anything.
• 25:51
  And in this case you, you didn't do anything wrong either.
• 25:54
  It was just, I don't know what it was.
• 25:58
  All I know is you pled. You pled guilty to something now
• 26:01
  that you're telling everybody you didn't do?
• 26:03
  I'm going out. It was God, I I think it was God
• 26:08
  getting me out of the way, steering me back in the right
• 26:10
  place. It was God that took me back if.
• 26:13
  You were why? Why would he have to steer you
• 26:16
  in the right? Place.
• 26:18
  Listen. You you're you're sitting in the
• 26:21
  car. Cassandra and her boyfriend go
• 26:24
  to Walmart. You're sitting in the car and
• 26:28
  and what you're telling me is you wanted to go into the
• 26:30
  bathroom and you wanted to find them because they were taking
• 26:33
  too long. You met them in the aisle.
• 26:37
  They gave you the bags, you took out the bags.
• 26:40
  You got arrested, they disappeared.
• 26:43
  You got drugs in your shoe, a pipe in the purse it.
• 26:49
  Wasn't a. Pipe and and and and then you,
• 26:54
  you use Cassandra's name. So if if you were, presumably
• 27:00
  you telling me all that meant you were in the right place to
• 27:02
  begin with because you were just going along for the ride to
• 27:05
  Walmart. They picked me up OK, They.
• 27:08
  Picked you up, That's fine. OK, they picked you up, but you
• 27:12
  were You weren't doing anything wrong, so you were already in
• 27:15
  the right place. You didn't do anything wrong in
• 27:16
  Cuyahoga. You were already in the right
• 27:18
  place. Why would God have to steer you
• 27:19
  to the right place? Because I, I, I, I say I hold
• 27:23
  responsibility for it. It's not what it seemed to be.
• 27:25
  It's not the way they wrote it. Things of, you know, it's not
• 27:29
  how it happened. It's not the way they wrote it.
• 27:33
  It's not how it really happened. You know I don't.
• 27:36
  I don't. That's the kind I.
• 27:37
  Don't know what to say. I don't know how to put it, but
• 27:41
  like I said it, it happened. It happened.
• 27:44
  Right. But what you're telling me is
• 27:47
  these things keep happening to you and none of it is any of
• 27:52
  your fault. It's my fault, it's my fault,
• 27:55
  OK? It's my fault.
• 27:56
  I hold full responsibility for my action.
• 28:00
  Miss Gold. Thank you, your Honor, It is.
• 28:02
  The state's position? That the defendant is not
• 28:04
  amenable to community control sanctions and the state is
• 28:07
  asking for a prison sentence? Oh, no, no.
• 28:14
  All right, I have reviewed the pre sentence report.
• 28:16
  No. And I have listened to Miss
• 28:19
  Harris listen to council. No, Miss Harris doesn't take
• 28:24
  responsibility for anything. Yes, I do.
• 28:27
  You are she. Doesn't acknowledge doing
• 28:29
  anything. Wrong please.
• 28:31
  Don't, either in this case or in the Cuyahoga case.
• 28:34
  Please don't do. This the presence report
• 28:36
  reflects this is all Alabama a 94 conviction for larceny 96 for
• 28:45
  theft of property 99 for theft of property 99 negotiating
• 28:51
  worthless instrument well. That's my past.
• 28:54
  I know it's OK, I'm going. I've got past that.
• 28:56
  Please. I'm coming from where I.
• 28:58
  Theft of property in O4. Fraudulent use of credit card
• 29:02
  Theft of property in O4. Fraudulent use of a credit card
• 29:06
  Theft Shoplifting in O5O5 Theft of property Criminal possession
• 29:11
  Forge instrument Domestic violence O 5.
• 29:13
  Criminal possession forge instrument O6.
• 29:17
  Theft of property O7. Theft of property O 9 criminal
• 29:22
  possession of a forge instrument and we get to Ohio.
• 29:25
  I don't know what happened. You were in Alabama.
• 29:28
  I don't know what happened in Alabama between 9:00 and when
• 29:31
  you came here. But in 23 you've got a theft out
• 29:35
  of this Walmart. Then in 25 you got a robbery in
• 29:40
  the drug possession and a falsification and then you've
• 29:43
  got this thing. So that this seems to be a long
• 29:47
  standing issue for you that you. Died in jail.
• 29:52
  Please don't do this. That that you don't do this,
• 29:56
  steal from people and use your sister's name apparently quite a
• 29:59
  bit. So I'm going to find you're not
• 30:01
  amenable to community control and I'm going to sentence you on
• 30:05
  each of these counts to 12 months in prison with credit for
• 30:11
  71 days. Those sentences, those counts
• 30:14
  will be concurrent to one another.
• 30:20
  When you get out, you might be on post release control for up
• 30:23
  to two years under the parole authority.
• 30:25
  I'm. Gonna die in jail or I'm gonna
• 30:27
  die. Placed on post release control,
• 30:31
  violating the conditions of parole.
• 30:32
  Authority could return you to prison for up to nine months for
• 30:35
  each violation up to 1/2 of my sentence.
• 30:38
  If the violation is a new felony, you could get an
• 30:40
  additional. Consecutive prison for the
• 30:42
  violation. The maximum of which is the
• 30:44
  greater 12 months for the time left under post release control
• 30:48
  the. Costs were assessed and the.
• 30:50
  Counselor. Dismissed.
• 30:51
  Anything else? Forfeiture.
• 30:53
  Forfeiture. Anything else, Mr. Matthews?
• 30:55
  No. You're right.
• 31:00
  All right. I'm just hanging for a second,
• 31:03
  OK. I wanted to see if she tried to
• 31:05
  do anything dumb. Good morning once again,
• 31:08
  everybody. TCF live on a spirited
• 31:10
  Wednesday. That hearing had a little bit of
• 31:13
  everything, didn't it? From thefts to racisms to
• 31:18
  convoluted stories to crying to more crying.
• 31:25
  All right, fun way to start the day I guess.
• 31:27
  Not for her. I honestly, I shake my head when
• 31:31
  I see people like that because I just, I hope and I pray every
• 31:35
  day that that people will be better, people will do better.
• 31:39
  Maybe she'll get things turned around.
• 31:40
  We keep our fingers crossed. Let's go back up to Michigan
• 31:44
  Judge Simpson getting his day started.
• 31:50
  Start Ron Ron Piering on behalf Miss Stoker.
• 31:53
  The Office of the Public Defender does not believe a
• 31:55
  conflict. I don't need reinstallable
• 31:57
  prosecutor. I'm good.
• 31:58
  Good. I'm good.
• 31:59
  All right. I should I should report with my
• 32:05
  client. There's no additions, correct?
• 32:10
  Ready to proceed? Is there anything you'd like to?
• 32:15
  No. Support.
• 32:16
  I place you on three most prosecuted that dollars finds it
• 32:20
  cost $90.00 probation over when can you pay that?
• 32:23
  Two weeks? Yeah, two weeks.
• 32:26
  What? I'm doing 124 dollars?
• 32:29
  Yes. What?
• 32:31
  390 to 90. In two weeks.
• 32:33
  She'll pay the 120 balance in a month from then.
• 32:39
  When can she pay the 390? I don't know how.
• 32:41
  This got complicated. But she just started a job at
• 32:44
  each. Go on your own.
• 32:45
  You know they held the first two weeks.
• 32:49
  I'm sorry, what do you pay today?
• 32:51
  I could pay Friday, I could pay Friday.
• 32:54
  Probably 100. Pardon. $100 on Friday. 100,
• 32:58
  Thank you. You're welcome.
• 32:59
  Pay $100 this Friday, which 15th?
• 33:02
  We'll pay that by the 18th. Give it till Monday to get that
• 33:05
  in and then when can you pay the balance?
• 33:09
  Within the next 3030 days. Is that OK?
• 33:12
  Paid by the end of June. Yes.
• 33:15
  OK, paid by June 30th. Thank you.
• 33:19
  There should be no use of alcohol, recreational marijuana,
• 33:21
  or any illegal substance. You'll be subject to random
• 33:23
  testing as requested by Probation.
• 33:26
  You're to complete an anger management class as directed by
• 33:28
  Probation. No contact with Cheryl Godfrey
• 33:32
  is a Gerstein directly or indirectly.
• 33:35
  No assault or threatening or intimidating behavior.
• 33:38
  No possession of any weapons, firearms, ammunition or anything
• 33:41
  fashion to be a weapon. I'll set a review hearing in
• 33:44
  this matter for August 12th, 2026 9:00 AM.
• 33:47
  Over 90 days in jail that is suspended.
• 33:51
  Thank you. Thank you.
• 33:52
  Have a good one. Workouts case people versus
• 33:55
  Sharon Abbott. Carolyn Foster Tucker on behalf
• 33:57
  of Sharon Abbott. Good morning, Sharon Abbott and
• 34:01
  your Honor. We have reviewed the pre
• 34:02
  sentence report. We do not have any corrections,
• 34:05
  additions or deletions, just ready for allocution when the
• 34:08
  court is ready. I'm ready, correct?
• 34:11
  Your Honor, we are asking that the court follows the
• 34:12
  recommendation. I've gotten to know Miss Abbott
• 34:15
  through this case. I know that she deeply regrets
• 34:18
  her actions on this day. I did want to let the court know
• 34:22
  that for the past 13 years, Miss Abbott has worked as a nurse at
• 34:26
  U of M with this conviction. Her livelihood is at stake with
• 34:31
  that. And so that is a collateral
• 34:32
  consequence that she's dealing with with this situation as
• 34:36
  well. In addition to that, she is she
• 34:41
  supports her family. Her husband is on disability, so
• 34:43
  she is the only one working for them.
• 34:46
  So this has caused a huge financial and stressful burden
• 34:49
  for her. And then she did write an
• 34:52
  apology letter to the victim, which she would like for me to
• 34:56
  read, I believe. And just to warn the court, it
• 34:59
  is a little bit long. It's about a page long.
• 35:04
  You're victims of the crime and whom it may concern.
• 35:07
  I'm writing this letter with the intention of acknowledging the
• 35:10
  harm I caused and taking full responsibility for my actions.
• 35:13
  On July 25th to 2025, I participated in an active and
• 35:18
  decent exposure. I understand that this behavior
• 35:21
  was deeply inappropriate, invasive, and very likely caused
• 35:24
  you emotional distress, fear, or loss of trust in your
• 35:28
  surroundings. I want to express my sincere and
• 35:31
  unreserved apology for the impact of my actions.
• 35:35
  Nobody should be subjected to indecent exposure.
• 35:38
  Nobody. This act was inexcusable.
• 35:41
  I have a son and understand that as parents we must protect
• 35:44
  children from seeing these kinds of acts.
• 35:46
  This was stupid and appropriate and appalling behavior on my
• 35:50
  part and I am so deeply sorry that you witnessed this.
• 35:53
  Going to the pool on a beautiful summer day should be something
• 35:57
  to enjoy, not something that winds up being uncomfortable,
• 36:00
  distressful and harmful. What a wake up call this has
• 36:03
  been. I will never forget this ordeal
• 36:06
  as it first and foremost has caused you and your daughter
• 36:08
  harm. Therefore, I have been quite
• 36:10
  harsh on myself as a result. I believe my purpose in life and
• 36:14
  my values are centered around helping others, not causing harm
• 36:18
  or negativity in others lives. The decisions I made were so
• 36:22
  profoundly wrong, it is just crazy to me.
• 36:25
  You should be very angry and upset with me.
• 36:28
  I cannot express in words how sorry I am for so intrusively
• 36:32
  stealing your daughter's innocence and confidence in the
• 36:35
  safety of your home community. I am sorry for how long this has
• 36:38
  been dragged out as well. My hope is for you and your
• 36:41
  daughter to be able to heal and move away from this.
• 36:44
  I take full responsibility for what I did while I was under the
• 36:48
  influence of alcohol at the time.
• 36:50
  I recognize that this does not excuse my behavior.
• 36:53
  This would never have occurred if I were sober.
• 36:56
  Alcoholism was a contributing factor, but the decision to
• 36:59
  drink and the consequences that followed were mine alone.
• 37:02
  I am accountable for the harm I caused, and I'm so deeply
• 37:05
  ashamed. I want to assure you that I am
• 37:08
  committed to aggressively addressing the root cause of the
• 37:10
  problem to ensure this type of behavior and harm to others
• 37:14
  never happens again. I understand that an apology
• 37:18
  cannot undo the damage. I also recognize that you may
• 37:21
  not wish to engage further, and I respect that.
• 37:24
  My hope is that this letter communicates my remorse, my
• 37:27
  accountability, and my commitment to change.
• 37:29
  If there is a way I can make amends that are appropriate and
• 37:32
  meaningful to you, I'm open to hearing them through this.
• 37:35
  Process. Thank you for your time and for
• 37:38
  allowing me to take responsibility.
• 37:40
  I am committed to doing better for you, for the community I
• 37:43
  harm, and for myself. Most sincerely, Sharon Abbott.
• 37:48
  Is there anything else you wish to say to the court?
• 37:52
  Sentence of the court? 18 months prosecuted, Deferred
• 37:55
  sentence. You are to pay $655 fines in
• 37:59
  court costs $540 probation oversight fees.
• 38:03
  When can that be paid? Your Honor, she can make a
• 38:06
  payment of half the balance today and then I believe she
• 38:10
  needs to set up a payment plan with probation.
• 38:12
  She's not sure what financial. So when you say half, how much
• 38:16
  does she have today, 655? 40 Divide it.
• 38:21
  Would foster Tucker. I wasn't going to do the math.
• 38:26
  About 600. I'll say 600 today.
• 38:30
  Thank you. You're welcome.
• 38:31
  The balance will be as a payment plan as arranged by probation.
• 38:36
  There's to be no use of alcohol, recreational marijuana, or any
• 38:39
  illegal substance. You'll be subject to random
• 38:41
  testing as requested by probation here to provide proof
• 38:45
  of completed substance abuse treatment with Humax, including
• 38:49
  all recommended after, and to follow all recommended aftercare
• 38:53
  here to continue individual therapy with status reports to
• 38:56
  Probation. There's to be no contact with
• 39:00
  Mary Beth Van directly or indirectly, no going to Heather
• 39:05
  Wood Condos in Ann Arbor. I'll set a review hearing.
• 39:09
  That's to be held November 10th, 2027, 9:00 AM.
• 39:15
  Over 365 days in jail. That is suspended.
• 39:18
  Thank you. Thank you, Your honor.
• 39:20
  Workouts taste people versus Emily.
• 39:22
  Burgess. Good morning, your honor.
• 39:24
  Attorney Jonathan Paul from Miss Burgess.
• 39:26
  Miss Burgess, can you state your name, please, Emily.
• 39:29
  Burgess. Go ahead, Council.
• 39:32
  Thank you, Your Honor. We had an opportunity to read
• 39:34
  the pre sentence investigation. Probation did a good job putting
• 39:37
  together Miss Burgess's proactive steps.
• 39:40
  Since this incident, she's been very active and busy and taking
• 39:44
  amends and putting the best foot forward.
• 39:46
  We're going to ask the court to adopt the recommendation.
• 39:48
  We think it is a fair recommendation that reflects
• 39:50
  Miss Burgess's hard work over these last couple months.
• 39:53
  They asked the court to sentence her with the opportunity for the
• 39:55
  deferred sentence and to allow her to continue her progress.
• 39:59
  Miss Burgess, is there anything you want to tell the court
• 40:01
  before I impose sentence? No, I just want to say thank you
• 40:04
  for your grace and your mercy through this process.
• 40:07
  It's not been easy, but you guys have made things very smooth.
• 40:11
  I appreciate it. Sentence of the court four
• 40:13
  months prosecuted. Deferred sentence.
• 40:15
  You pay $480 fines and cost $120.00 probation oversight
• 40:20
  fees. When can you pay that?
• 40:21
  I can pay it in full today. Yeah.
• 40:24
  Today there should be no use of alcohol, recreational marijuana,
• 40:28
  or any illegal substance. You'll be subject to random
• 40:31
  testing as requested by probation.
• 40:33
  You're to complete a theft class, which you've already
• 40:35
  done, and it is marked as completed.
• 40:37
  You're to continue individual therapy with verification to
• 40:40
  probation. You are to complete 25 hours of
• 40:43
  community service as directed by probation.
• 40:46
  No going to any Target stores in the state of Michigan.
• 40:50
  I'll set a review hearing that's to be held September 9th, 2026
• 40:54
  at 9:00 AM. I'll order 93 days in jail that
• 40:57
  is suspended. Thank you, Burgess.
• 41:00
  Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Paul.
• 41:01
  Thank you, Your Honor. Emily can sign off.
• 41:03
  I'll follow up in a bit. Thank you for calls case people
• 41:06
  versus Elizabeth Sheddick Morning honor.
• 41:09
  I'm Bernstein with, on behalf of Shudick, your name.
• 41:13
  Elizabeth Shudick. I didn't know that.
• 41:16
  Go ahead. All right, Your Honor, I have no
• 41:18
  corrections to make to the report.
• 41:20
  I can tell the court that her actions and in this process has
• 41:25
  has left her pretty humbled. She's been engaged in counseling
• 41:29
  over the last couple of months to engage in insight and to
• 41:33
  learn from her behaviors and how she can move forward more
• 41:37
  appropriately. Miss Clara always puts together
• 41:40
  a fair and appropriate recommendation.
• 41:42
  We ask the court to please adopt that.
• 41:44
  So of course she did. I told her that personally
• 41:46
  before I walked out but. All right.
• 41:50
  All right, my name. Is there anything you want to
• 41:52
  tell me? I just want to apologize for my
• 41:55
  behavior. I'm working with a counselor so
• 42:00
  that to make sure that this doesn't happen again.
• 42:03
  Sense of the court. Nine months probation you're to
• 42:06
  pay $555.00 fines. It cost $270 probation oversight
• 42:11
  fees. When can you get that paid?
• 42:13
  Today you are. OK, Thank you.
• 42:15
  Pay that today out at the counter.
• 42:18
  There's to be no use of alcohol, recreational marijuana, or any
• 42:20
  illegal substance. You'll be subject to random
• 42:22
  testing as requested by probation.
• 42:24
  You're to continue your individual therapy with
• 42:26
  verification to probation here. Wait 25 hours of community
• 42:30
  services directed by probation. There's to be no assault or
• 42:34
  threatening or intimidating behavior.
• 42:36
  There's to be no possession of any weapons, firearms,
• 42:38
  ammunition, or anything fashion to be a weapon.
• 42:41
  I will order 365 days in jail. Credit to the balance is
• 42:46
  suspended. Thank you, Interstep.
• 42:49
  Same history for ghost case people versus Chante Wingard.
• 42:53
  Morning, Your Honor. David I Goldstein, appearing on
• 42:55
  behalf of the defendant. From Morgan Chante Wingard.
• 42:58
  Your honor, we have been provided with a copy of the pre
• 43:00
  sentence report. We have reviewed it.
• 43:02
  There are no changes or corrections.
• 43:05
  Anything either you'd like to say before I impose sentence?
• 43:08
  We're asking the court to file the recommendation sentence to
• 43:13
  the court. Four months prosecuted, deferred
• 43:15
  sentence. You're to pay $480 fines in
• 43:17
  court costs $120.00 probation and oversight fees.
• 43:20
  When can you pay that runner? She can pay half within 30 days
• 43:23
  and the balance within 60 days. I would point out that she is
• 43:26
  working, but she has five kids, Your Honor.
• 43:28
  Single parent, 5 kids, five kids, 80.
• 43:32
  She's gonna feed them too. OK, Fine.
• 43:37
  OK. So pay, you'll pay half of it in
• 43:40
  30 days. OK.
• 43:42
  So pay $300 by 15th, that will work for you by June 15th and
• 43:50
  then the balance by July 15th. That'll work, yes.
• 43:55
  Probably. There should be no use of
• 43:57
  alcohol, recreational marijuana, or any illegal drug.
• 43:59
  You'll be subject to random testing as requested by
• 44:02
  probation. You're to complete a theft class
• 44:04
  within the next 60 days. No going to any Target store or
• 44:07
  any state of Michigan. I'll set a review hearing.
• 44:10
  September 9th, 2026, nine AM 93 days in jail.
• 44:14
  That is suspended. Thank you brother, Bless you.
• 44:17
  Is that you just checking because the case we will versus
• 44:22
  James Herron. I'm bringing off you have Mr.
• 44:25
  Heron, Your Honor, can you state your name?
• 44:29
  Yeah. May I approach this probation?
• 44:31
  Have something to share with the court?
• 44:33
  Yes. Thank you.
• 44:35
  All righty friends, it's TCF live on a Wednesday.
• 44:38
  Almost an hour in already. Time does fly.
• 44:42
  I'm going to hang here for just a moment.
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  We'll see if they unmute quick enough, otherwise we'll move on
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  likely to show it to others. Okie Dokie seems like they're
• 45:15
  going to be a moment or two. Let's stay in Michigan, but
• 45:18
  let's go over to Judge Middleton and we'll come back to Judge
• 45:22
  Simpson later. A.
• 45:23
  Little bit by a. Surprised visitor but the
• 45:27
  parties are all here except this one.
• 45:30
  People versus Brooke Renee Eberly filed 251420 St.
• 45:37
  She was charged with driving suspended.
• 45:40
  The matter was reduced to no valid operator's license, and
• 45:45
  the defendant was set for sentencing today with her
• 45:47
  lawyer, Casey Strong. Casey Strong is here because
• 45:52
  Eberly is not. Yes, the red lights.
• 45:58
  On. Miss Strong indicated she's.
• 46:02
  Attempted. To contact that I sent this out
• 46:05
  because she had a bunch of unpaid fines and costs.
• 46:08
  See whether she paid anything. As far as I tell, she did not
• 46:12
  and she isn't here. Miss Strong, what insight have
• 46:16
  you got for us? Fiona, I would like to make a
• 46:18
  record regarding the failure to appear in the attempts for
• 46:21
  contact. Miss Everly received a
• 46:23
  handwritten notice to appear at the time of her plea.
• 46:26
  She also received a mailed copy to her Ash Rd. address when I
• 46:30
  received it in my office. I did call her this morning and
• 46:33
  I left a voicemail on a voicemail box that belonged to
• 46:36
  her asking her about the status of her appearance and I've not
• 46:39
  received any contact back. Given the circumstances and the
• 46:43
  fact that this is a no OPS, I would ask the court to consider
• 46:46
  issuing a 48 hour hold bench warrant to allow herself to
• 46:49
  present. I do not know what her fail to
• 46:52
  appear record looks like, but I do not believe she has any fail
• 46:55
  to appears on my case in itself and this is a relatively low
• 46:59
  level offense. I would ask the court for some
• 47:02
  consideration there. She failed to appear in October
• 47:06
  of 25 and she got picked up on a bench warrant in October and we
• 47:16
  set a last pretrial for February and she did enter the plea.
• 47:20
  The matter was set way out to give her time to pay her fines
• 47:25
  and costs and apparently that wasn't very effective.
• 47:28
  So I will do a bench warrant with a 48 hour old.
• 47:32
  Thank your honor, I will reach out to her to the best of my
• 47:35
  ability. No, Bob, see, Judge, as of
• 47:40
  Grace, I said this from February to May, she's repaid by not
• 47:44
  paying anything and not showing up. 48 hour hold.
• 47:48
  Well, Miss Strong, glad you had other business to attend to this
• 47:52
  morning rather than just this, so thank you.
• 47:56
  All right. What I'll see.
• 47:58
  You this. Afternoon.
• 48:01
  Oh yes, I didn't know if you'd still be here.
• 48:04
  She. They're bringing her over.
• 48:08
  Oh. So I got.
• 48:10
  Permission from your office based on the IT being a last
• 48:13
  minute addition that. All right, Well then I'll.
• 48:16
  Don't. Bring her over and I've already
• 48:18
  talked to her at the. Jail.
• 48:19
  I talked to her this morning. OK, so if.
• 48:21
  She I think she was expecting to appear by Zoom.
• 48:24
  Well, all right, I was going to. I did give you permission that
• 48:27
  I'd forgotten about that. So don't bring her over.
• 48:30
  We'll do it by Zoom. Thank you.
• 48:32
  And she's prepared for that. I spoke to her this morning.
• 48:34
  All right. Thank you.
• 48:38
  Casey I do have a 1:00 meeting, which could go a little bit
• 48:44
  long, but I have a 1:00 meeting, a Judiciary Committee.
• 48:49
  OK, as exciting as it is to hear him talk about his 1:00 meeting,
• 48:53
  let's go back to Judge Simpson because they're back up and
• 48:57
  running. Pursue our treatment if that is
• 48:59
  what the assessor believes is required for him.
• 49:03
  I've explained sidebar, that he has a part time job, full time
• 49:08
  job, and he also is caring for one of for a minor child, your
• 49:13
  honor, on Saturdays and Fridays, Tuesdays and Fridays.
• 49:17
  So, your honor, he has a lot going on.
• 49:19
  This is a case from 2024 and I'm asking the court.
• 49:23
  But he's been gone at least half that.
• 49:26
  That's part of the problem. He also has APCC in front of you
• 49:30
  and between now and then, if he can get that assessment and get
• 49:33
  in treatment, I think it would show the court a lot about him
• 49:36
  turning the page on his previous choices.
• 49:40
  In August of 2025, I damn to the 24th he had additional stuff
• 49:49
  that he picked up between that time and the time it was
• 49:51
  supposed to come back before me and didn't show up.
• 49:55
  He's presumed innocent on those charges.
• 49:57
  Yeah, on those charges. The disorderly conduct in
• 50:00
  Hazel's Park where he goes to court tomorrow, not saying that
• 50:04
  he dependitional stuff and didn't do what he was supposed
• 50:07
  to be doing in September and then additional bench warrant
• 50:14
  and we don't see him until April of this year.
• 50:22
  Meanwhile, picked up other charges that he's got up here
• 50:25
  before me and he's out on bond and correct.
• 50:28
  But then he comes here today and he now wants to show me that
• 50:34
  he's enrolled in some type of counseling.
• 50:36
  But he didn't do that till Friday.
• 50:38
  That was after the PCC here because he was in court on
• 50:41
  Thursday. Make sure that you get a
• 50:45
  benchmark issued for Thursday. Anything else you want to say?
• 50:48
  You want to tell him anything? Well, your honor, I've been
• 50:51
  going through a lot, you know, with my baby mother and getting
• 50:55
  my daughter and visitation signs with her.
• 50:58
  And, you know, my mother's been coming in and out from Georgia,
• 51:02
  you know, and like there's nobody's trying to work with
• 51:05
  him. You know what I'm saying?
• 51:06
  Like everybody's trying to force me down about this, this drug
• 51:10
  case when I'm taking account of goopsies of my problems that I
• 51:13
  have trying to get help, but it's I'm just depressed, man.
• 51:17
  I can't, I, I was at that. I can't see my daughter.
• 51:20
  I pay child support. I tried to write in by my
• 51:23
  parents, by her and to be a successful father.
• 51:26
  You know, I don't, I don't like to let my my child out.
• 51:29
  You know, when I went out there, whenever they like me for
• 51:33
  disorderly conduct. It was so many.
• 51:34
  Different things that they were trying to.
• 51:36
  Put on me. That they sick and.
• 51:40
  They already arrested me, so they couldn't under arrest.
• 51:42
  But I was. Innocent men and they said I
• 51:44
  went into the library. Don't talk about a pending case
• 51:48
  in terms of the facts of the, you know, it's interesting you
• 51:51
  say nobody was trying to help you.
• 51:52
  We've been trying to help you throughout this entire case.
• 51:55
  You just haven't been cooperating.
• 51:57
  You decided to do your own thing and then decide you're just
• 52:00
  going to disappear and not not do anything.
• 52:04
  No, Sir, I, I didn't disappear. I've, I've got pulled over
• 52:08
  numerous of times. And they said that you knew you
• 52:11
  were supposed to be here in September 2025.
• 52:14
  You didn't show up. You got a bench warrant?
• 52:18
  You didn't come in. How'd you come in?
• 52:20
  In. In April.
• 52:21
  Hey there. How'd it work?
• 52:23
  I got off work. They picked you up, right?
• 52:25
  Can you turn yourself in? Oh, yeah.
• 52:28
  That's a problem. Because the reality is, had that
• 52:31
  not happened, you wouldn't be here now.
• 52:33
  You can't go around blaming everybody else.
• 52:35
  Some. At some point, you got to take
• 52:37
  responsibility for what you do. Sent to the court, $125.00 debt,
• 52:41
  365 days. Washington County Jail Credit
• 52:44
  217 served. Defendant is to serve the
• 52:48
  balance. I will consider release upon
• 52:52
  released to residential treatment at Dawn Farms.
• 52:56
  OK, that's defenders relation. Corcos case People versus Renee
• 52:59
  Moore. Assistant Public Defender Nick
• 53:01
  Buckovich on behalf of Miss Moore, who should be appearing.
• 53:03
  There you go. State your name, ma'am.
• 53:07
  Renee Moore. All right, Go ahead.
• 53:11
  Mr. Buckley. Yes, the honor.
• 53:12
  At this time, we have no deletions, corrections or
• 53:14
  insertions to the PSIR. We would ask the court to adopt
• 53:18
  the recommendation. We would just like to briefly
• 53:20
  address fines and costs as my client is unfortunately
• 53:22
  suffering from some severe medical issues.
• 53:25
  She does rely on disability as her only source of income.
• 53:28
  So we would like to ask for consideration of a reduction in
• 53:31
  the fines and costs. But we would ask the court to
• 53:33
  adopt all other aspects of the recommendation.
• 53:37
  Ma'am, anything else you want to say before I impose sentence?
• 53:40
  No. Sentence to the court.
• 53:42
  Four months prosecuted. Deferred sentence I will order
• 53:45
  $480 fines and costs 120 five $120.00 probation oversight
• 53:50
  fees. There'll be a probate I payment
• 53:55
  plan is arranged by probation. She can fill out the ability to
• 53:58
  pay for them and then look, take a look at it.
• 54:01
  And so yeah, there's to be no use of any alcohol, recreational
• 54:04
  marijuana or any illegal substance.
• 54:06
  You'll be subject to random testing as requested by
• 54:08
  probation you to complete a theft class within the next 60
• 54:12
  days. No going to any Walmart store in
• 54:14
  the state of Michigan. I'll set a review hearing to be
• 54:17
  held September 9th, 2026, 9:00 AM.
• 54:20
  I'll order 90. That is suspended.
• 54:22
  All right. Thank you, ma'am.
• 54:24
  Hey, honor. Or it calls gay people versus
• 54:27
  Eric Smith. Assistant Public Defender
• 54:29
  Nicolas Buckovich on behalf of Mr. Smith.
• 54:31
  We called this bench warrant. He didn't show up and hasn't
• 54:35
  gone over to probation. Jenna, I had attempted to make
• 54:39
  contact with Mr. Smith. I was on a used though, so I
• 54:41
  would be asking for an adjournment for time to in
• 54:42
  contact my client and get him in contact with probation for.
• 54:45
  On behalf of probation, Your Honor, when the benchmark recall
• 54:49
  was submitted, probation did attempt to reach him to schedule
• 54:52
  that appointment. Given that he didn't their
• 54:55
  probation wanted was unable to get through and he has not
• 54:59
  followed through, probation would request a benchmark.
• 55:01
  Ben's Warren will issue for defendants here.
• 55:04
  Bond set in the amount of 10,010% that Warren will issue
• 55:08
  immediately Court calls K school versus Laurie Renee Anderson.
• 55:13
  Real quick, Barbara, thank you for the $10.
• 55:15
  She says happy hump day. Reminder about in the blind
• 55:18
  tonight. I'm actually getting you a link
• 55:19
  for that right now, Barbara. So, but again, thank you for the
• 55:22
  $10. Appreciate it all.
• 55:23
  The terms ordered by the court, and I did waive for appearance
• 55:26
  probation for recommending that the court dismissed the case
• 55:29
  pursuant to the prosecutor deferred and to discharge her
• 55:31
  probation with him. Hearing no objection, so ordered
• 55:35
  for cross case people versus Megan Maxson.
• 55:37
  Mr. Player, on behalf of probation, Your Honor, Miss
• 55:40
  Maxson was scheduled before the court for a review hearing on a
• 55:43
  prosecuted in murder sentence. She did all terms of the court
• 55:47
  and I did waive for appearance probations recommending that the
• 55:50
  court be pursuing the prosecutor deferred and to discharge her
• 55:54
  from probation with improvement. Hearing no objection, so do I
• 55:57
  have a? I swear the tenure watch our
• 56:00
  interpreter. Good morning, Mr. Leopold.
• 56:03
  Can you please turn on your camera, unmute your device and
• 56:07
  raise your right hand to be sworn?
• 56:09
  Good morning. Good morning.
• 56:11
  Do you sound this? And I guess he's done all right,
• 56:14
  these silly, silly judges doing silly, silly things.
• 56:17
  Let's do this. Let's go back to Magistrate
• 56:21
  Chism. We started our day with him.
• 56:23
  Let's see how it's going now. OK, I.
• 56:26
  Don't. Yes, Sir.
• 56:27
  OK. This is a speeding ticket.
• 56:29
  It bears the caption 26RO019-O7. Ticket was issued on the 3rd of
• 56:35
  April about 10 O clock in the evening.
• 56:37
  The area of Woodward of Royal Oak near Woodward and Normandy.
• 56:41
  You were cited for speeding. The ticket was issued at 55 and
• 56:46
  a 45. You can admit or deny
• 56:49
  responsibility or you can admit with an explanation.
• 56:52
  How do you wish to proceed? I.
• 56:56
  Would like to. Admit I mean I was obviously
• 56:59
  doing it yes, I was just hoping that possibly it could be
• 57:03
  lowered to maybe an impeding traffic so I don't get any
• 57:07
  points on my license possibly get any points on your license
• 57:11
  or don't get any more points on your license any more points
• 57:14
  yes, I I currently have points sure do the time of this ticket.
• 57:20
  You were still on probation for driving right No, I wasn't on
• 57:24
  probation and I was under the impression that I'd already had
• 57:27
  my license back, but I was a couple days from getting my
• 57:31
  license back and if I get any more points I won't be able to
• 57:35
  get it back. The reason for the points system
• 57:38
  is to take undesirable drivers off the road.
• 57:41
  I understand protect the rest of us.
• 57:44
  I understand the officer reduced what he cited to for a couple
• 57:47
  points in half. Yes.
• 57:49
  Sergeant, is there anything you want to add to this?
• 57:51
  Your Honor, I will make this a limited access speed, 1:00 to
• 57:54
  5:00. So it does still carry no
• 57:56
  points, but the violation still does show, so it'll be 1 to 5
• 58:02
  limited access anyway. It carries a fine of 130 and is
• 58:07
  abstracted at 0 points. OK, you can pay that Mister Idle
• 58:14
  online or buy this or at the courthouse, Common, whatever it
• 58:17
  works to. I'll pay it online.
• 58:19
  I I kind of live, you know, a decent amount of time away.
• 58:23
  Is there a time frame on it? Well, if you were standing here
• 58:26
  in the courtroom, I'd say you should pay it before you leave
• 58:28
  the building. What kind of time do you need?
• 58:30
  OK, I'm, well, could I have until this Friday so I can get
• 58:34
  my work check? Sure.
• 58:36
  Not a problem. OK, thank you guys.
• 58:38
  I'm going to call it one week to pay.
• 58:40
  Thank you. Have a good one.
• 58:42
  You guys too. Bye.
• 58:43
  Looking for best new. We've got misspelled back with
• 58:47
  Attorney Gonzalez and your honor, I didn't have, I didn't
• 58:50
  have her on my file for this morning.
• 58:52
  Can you give me the case? Number and which judge just
• 58:55
  signed to? It's Judge Kolankowski and the
• 58:58
  case number? The number on the file is
• 59:01
  2600530 and she she's on my docket at 10:31.
• 59:11
  I believe they added her after they printed yours then yeah, I
• 59:15
  believe that. 31. OK, that's the final number of
• 59:19
  the charges. Operating while intoxicated and
• 59:21
  drove while license suspended. 260053-O.
• 59:26
  People of the City of Royal Oak versus Gabriel.
• 59:29
  Brianna Bell ready Honor Wongans house appearing on behalf of
• 59:33
  Misspell, who is present via Zoom.
• 59:35
  Also consenting to having this arraignment via Zoom.
• 59:37
  I didn't have a chance to speak with my client.
• 59:39
  We did go over the two charges and all her rights and maximum
• 59:44
  penalties. We would ask the court to waive
• 59:46
  formal reading and her not guilty plea.
• 59:50
  She is also requesting an AC council.
• 59:52
  I believe that would be me plea. If not guilty does enter, the
• 59:56
  next step in the process, Miss Bell will be a pretrial
• 1:00:00
  conference. That will be a Zoom hearing as
• 1:00:02
  well, but it won't be the same set of Zoom numbers you're
• 1:00:05
  using. So when you get the notice in
• 1:00:07
  the mail, it will include the new Zoom contact information.
• 1:00:11
  We've got two different addresses for you. 1 is in
• 1:00:14
  Melbourne, FL and the other one is a little closer.
• 1:00:18
  It's the one, it's the sugar Maple drive.
• 1:00:22
  Do you have that one here on her where that's.
• 1:00:26
  I don't think that. 1 Sugar Maple Dr. Yeah 3781 Sugar Maple
• 1:00:32
  Dr., Sterling Heights. It's 3481, I don't know what you
• 1:00:35
  just said. My apologies, 3481.
• 1:00:39
  Yes. The sevens and fours look alike
• 1:00:42
  anyway. And what is this difference
• 1:00:45
  during heights please? I'm not sure.
• 1:00:48
  I just moved back 'cause I I really don't know.
• 1:00:50
  OK, let me. Look, they they can figure it
• 1:00:54
  out. That's that's not an issue.
• 1:00:56
  And I don't have a phone number for you.
• 1:00:58
  What is your number please? 3321. 2998 or 2198?
• 1:01:04
  2998. Mr. Bond.
• 1:01:06
  Mr. Gonzalez, you're on my clients, 28 years of age, single
• 1:01:10
  mother, one daughter, gainfully employed.
• 1:01:13
  Obviously she's showing up on time for her arraignment.
• 1:01:18
  I would ask for a personal bond. She is living with her mom.
• 1:01:22
  She understands that there's most likely to be some
• 1:01:24
  conditions to her bond, but she's aware of that and ready to
• 1:01:27
  move forward. So I just ask for a personal
• 1:01:29
  bond. Thank you.
• 1:01:30
  While you're on this bond, Miss Bell, you cannot use alcohol at
• 1:01:33
  all. No use of alcohol.
• 1:01:36
  No use of marijuana or any illicit drug.
• 1:01:42
  Pretrial service will supervise you.
• 1:01:43
  You'll need to give them a phone call tomorrow to set up the
• 1:01:47
  testing for the alcohol. Their number is area code 248.
• 1:01:52
  You said 24845. 2350. OK.
• 1:01:56
  The alcohol testing will be two times a week.
• 1:01:59
  ETG random. OK.
• 1:02:01
  And I work 12 hour shifts so that's hopefully it's not on
• 1:02:05
  days that I work. No, it's going to be random.
• 1:02:09
  If you prefer, we could go to a Soberlink, which is a handheld
• 1:02:13
  device that you rent at your expense that you would use
• 1:02:17
  multiple times a day as directed.
• 1:02:20
  No, I'll just have to figure. It out at work.
• 1:02:22
  Two times a week EGG there'll be a drug test as soon as
• 1:02:26
  practicable. If it's negative for illicit
• 1:02:29
  drugs, then in that event that would be the last Test.
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  If it's positive, the drug testing would continue at the
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  rate of 2 * a month. This is a Royal Oak case, right,
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  Your Honor? Yes, it is.
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  Thank you. And the dollar amount of the
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  bond will be $5000 personal. Don't need to pay money to stay
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  out of jail till the trial. It's a personal bond.
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  In the event that you fail to appear as directed or in the
• 1:02:54
  event that you fail to comply with the terms and conditions of
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  the bond, then in that event you could owe the money.
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  Mr. Gonzalez will continue as your attorney.
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  Any issues or concerns? Thanks.
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  Come up, give him a call. So you're all set here today,
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  Matt, call tomorrow to pre pre trial services to set up the
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  test. Can I get back in the break room
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  with my lawyer or how does it work so I can talk to him, call
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  him another time? We'll, we'll put you both back
• 1:03:23
  and break out room 3. We'll move you and that'll give
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  you the signal. Thank you.
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  So I think Judge invented a new word there.
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  Practicable. I get what he was trying to say,
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  but never quite heard it said like that.
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  Good morning once again, everybody.
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  Now solidly an hour 2 of TCF live here on Wednesday.
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  It's good to have you all here. My name is Dan.
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  Welcome to anybody out there who's new.
• 1:03:45
  Let's go down to Texas and Judge Stevens.
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  So what's going on here? Before we get there, just to set
• 1:03:52
  the scene, this is somebody who was sentenced like a week ago on
• 1:03:57
  a murder charge. She was sentenced to 40 years.
• 1:03:59
  She's being dragged back in so that there can be victim impact
• 1:04:04
  statements now delivered to her. So that is what is going to go
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  on. Let's watch are.
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  You going to be able to? Yes, Sir.
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  Are you going? To this off the record anyways,
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  just 22-40354 is called the state of Texas versus Lace
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  Christian. I might pronounce it Lace
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  copier. That's and that's you.
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  And you were earlier indicted by a grand jury for the first
• 1:04:33
  degree felony of murder and this case has been disposed of.
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  You entered a plea of guilty to the first degree felony of
• 1:04:46
  murder on February 23rd of this year and then later this Court
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  sentenced you to 40 years imprisonment under the plea
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  agreement on May 4th of 2026. And also in that hearing, the
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  court. Noted that the.
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  Judgment would reflect that the that a deadly weapon was used in
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  the Commission of this offense, namely A firearm.
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  Now under the rule of law, relatives or associates of close
• 1:05:28
  associates of a victim in a case such as this where it is a
• 1:05:34
  violent crime have a right to be heard to confront you and
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  express their sentiments concerning this whole matter.
• 1:05:47
  Who is here on behalf of the family to speak?
• 1:05:50
  We've got sisters and well. Our sisters.
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  OK, what we'll do is who wants to go first?
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  Let's. Just come.
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  Up. Just you'll come up to the
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  lectern there. And would you rather all three
• 1:06:04
  stand together or no? These, these people, whatever.
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  You. Guys, family of the victims have
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  a right to be heard, and there shall be no rudeness and no
• 1:06:21
  remarks made by you. Miss Christian, do you
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  understand? This is the law.
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  They have a right to be heard and you must quietly listen.
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  And please tell us your name and how you are related to Russell
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  Riddo. Thank you, Judge.
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  Good. Morning.
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  My name is Cheryl Riddo. I am Russell Rito's system.
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  And I am. I'm just lost.
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  I don't even know this person, you know?
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  They're talking about the victim.
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  The victim. Yeah, I'm sorry the the
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  defendant place for. I don't know her, my brother.
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  You know my. Brother.
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  Talk to us. He's the kind of guy that can't
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  talk to all the family members, OK?
• 1:07:05
  And he told me about that, lazy. And I told him to leave, to
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  leave you alone. I told him to not talk to you
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  because my parents raised us and we were raised with respect and
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  we were raised. To, not to.
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  Do the things that you did, but you killed my brother.
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  You know, my brother has her daughter.
• 1:07:30
  She wanted to be here today, but she.
• 1:07:32
  Could she got an auto? Accident and it devastated her.
• 1:07:36
  It devastated all of us, you know, and I just, I just can't
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  tell them. How could anyone that stands in
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  the house and do the things that you did to my brother?
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  I have a brother, Kenneth, who just recently died.
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  You killed him too. You didn't directly, but
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  indirectly when you killed Russell.
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  Russell was Kenneth's way. He he talked to Kenneth every
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  day. My brother Kenneth needed
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  Russell. OK.
• 1:08:04
  But when you killed Russell, well, killer died right along
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  with him because Kenneth didn't talk to none of us.
• 1:08:12
  He just went down and down and down and down.
• 1:08:15
  You know, you should never see the dead life 'cause something
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  is wrong with you and I don't think you can be fixed, you
• 1:08:23
  know? So God have mercy on your soul.
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  But to ever walk out to see or be with anybody, you can't be
• 1:08:33
  with the rest of us 'cause you're not like the rest of us.
• 1:08:36
  With that deviant behavior that you have, You make me sit.
• 1:08:41
  Next, please just introduce yourself and tell us how you
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  were related to the complainant, the victim in this case, Mr.
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  Rita. Thank you, Jesse.
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  Yes, ma'am. Good morning.
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  I am Doctor Laura, you know Harris, and I am the sister of
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  the youngest. Sister of Russell.
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  And I wanted to come before you today and look right at you as a
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  minister of the cloth of Jesus Christ, Lord thy Savior, and
• 1:09:10
  knowing that there was there's a little girl under all that
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  anger, all that meanness and that terror and that monster
• 1:09:21
  that you allowed to be buried. And you did not deal with that
• 1:09:26
  as a youngster. And you let that manifest into
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  something rubble cause you to stand in front of my brother
• 1:09:37
  sleeping, sleeping on the chair lays as judge die help with no
• 1:09:44
  one else. And then how do you do that?
• 1:09:48
  You want to stand around us. You want to stand around us like
• 1:09:53
  you did nothing. I tell you when we go and have
• 1:09:57
  mercy on your soul, you need to dig out that child inside of you
• 1:10:03
  and you know with her and you need to execute these demons
• 1:10:09
  that have gotten you to fear you.
• 1:10:12
  They divide you up enough. The next thing it's going to do
• 1:10:15
  is kill you is incarcerated you, you in the bondage.
• 1:10:18
  You have no idea that the gates that's going to that's putting
• 1:10:22
  you behind, you know, behind some gates that are iron and
• 1:10:26
  physical, but you in a separate bondage and you're going to stay
• 1:10:30
  bonded and as lawful as you, you know, these demons look at me,
• 1:10:36
  look at me. You better hand them demons out.
• 1:10:40
  You better deal with them demons because I'm AI.
• 1:10:44
  Don't give them those because the Lord told me if I don't
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  forgive, you don't forgive me. So I have to.
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  But I'm a chew in God's hands. Godfish, Lord.
• 1:10:57
  And next and again, please introduce yourself, ma'am,
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  please, and tell us how you are related to the victim in this
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  case, Mr. Rita, thank you. My name's Lloyd Johnson.
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  Well. Sarita wasn't my brother.
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  No, he, one of us. He was my heart and my soul.
• 1:11:16
  I pushed and I pushed to get him better.
• 1:11:19
  At least. I hope you've been stewing in
• 1:11:24
  your thoughts. I really too.
• 1:11:26
  May 10th was May five years, and you took him away from us May
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  10th. And I do remember the day that
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  they told me. They told me to come to my
• 1:11:34
  mother's house, and you stood right beside me and act like you
• 1:11:39
  were so concerned. And that same brother you're
• 1:11:43
  trying to tell me about, my family, well, you know nothing
• 1:11:46
  about you. Had no dealings with my brother,
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  called us every single day. And put nothing.
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  Else broke pray and all we ever wanted from you was a penny one
• 1:11:58
  and all those nice little. And you got all these?
• 1:12:01
  Emotions. Now remember those when you
• 1:12:04
  thought about shooting my brother because he was so sneak
• 1:12:11
  when you shot him. Indefensible.
• 1:12:14
  Indefensible and letting you know what we found this wallet
• 1:12:18
  behind. The.
• 1:12:18
  Refrigerator. And we know why it was there
• 1:12:20
  because guess what? He had given you money and he
• 1:12:23
  told you no one. He got tired of giving you money
• 1:12:26
  for drugs and whatever else you were taking money for in the
• 1:12:29
  name of kindness. His kind, not yours.
• 1:12:34
  His good news not yours. Kids love not yours.
• 1:12:39
  All they ever wanted to see was the best venue and you repaid
• 1:12:42
  that kindness and shot him six times.
• 1:12:44
  Point the leg in the chair and then you have the nerve to sit
• 1:12:49
  there in the ditch and act like you were concerned.
• 1:12:54
  You are a fake sociopath and I'm let my sister feels for you
• 1:12:58
  because the human side of me does, not the spiritual side of
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  me. So God must forgive.
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  I don't know how to do that I'm not there yet I'm not there yet
• 1:13:08
  I'm being there to be there. Look at me because you
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  understanding look, I need you to look at me because you are so
• 1:13:16
  concerned. I I need to see that concern
• 1:13:18
  there. I need to see that love that
• 1:13:20
  you, you little sociopath that you put there.
• 1:13:23
  You know when you decided that you were going to shoot my book
• 1:13:26
  and then come back with all you're so.
• 1:13:28
  Say so concerned. Look, I heard you to be just
• 1:13:31
  fake. I want you to have every night
• 1:13:34
  to think about and I hope you go to sleep seeing his face.
• 1:13:38
  I hope you wake up seeing his face, which I doubt which I
• 1:13:44
  doubt that these cheers are even real either way, because if
• 1:13:47
  that's for the judge and you know, junkie publicly because I
• 1:13:51
  I don't believe you. I truly don't believe that.
• 1:13:54
  You're a wonderful. I don't.
• 1:13:57
  Everyone of us in our house, everyone.
• 1:14:00
  Every single do not do not trust you.
• 1:14:04
  Every sibling told you leave you alone and he thought there was
• 1:14:07
  something there to save. He said Christian man, he came
• 1:14:12
  out only wanting to go. He thought there was something
• 1:14:14
  there to save. Lace, look at me.
• 1:14:16
  He thought there was something there to save.
• 1:14:18
  Is there something there to save?
• 1:14:21
  Is there? I'm just asking you.
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  You're going to have to deal with that, sweetie.
• 1:14:26
  You're going to have to deal with that because I don't see it
• 1:14:29
  right now. I just don't see it.
• 1:14:32
  I don't wish bet on anybody, but you got 40 years to think about
• 1:14:36
  what you've done and to me that still is not.
• 1:14:40
  God bless yourself. Any anything anyone else on
• 1:14:47
  behalf of the family? No my other.
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  Sisters couldn't be here. My my brother couldn't be here.
• 1:14:53
  They wanted to and his daughters couldn't be here.
• 1:14:56
  But that is what. You.
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  You. Know this is what you did.
• 1:15:00
  We should never see the deadline, but you won't ever
• 1:15:03
  change. Ever.
• 1:15:05
  I don't think you will. All right.
• 1:15:09
  Best wishes to your family and memories are.
• 1:15:13
  Never enough. But best wishes to your family.
• 1:15:19
  That's enough. You can take her away.
• 1:15:23
  We're in recess. Thank you.
• 1:15:26
  Let's get ready for trial. All righty, friends, there you
• 1:15:31
  go. TCF live halfway through the
• 1:15:34
  show. Now let's go back up to Ohio.
• 1:15:38
  Judge O'Donnell has a fresh contestant.
• 1:15:40
  See what's going on with her? We are here on the matter of the
• 1:15:43
  State of Ohio versus Alexandra Daly, case #26CR-000014.
• 1:15:50
  The defendant is present open court with their attorney, Jim
• 1:15:52
  Matthews. We were previously here on April
• 1:15:55
  8th when the defendant pled guilty to tampering with records
• 1:15:57
  with only the third degree, Forgery, a felony of the 5th
• 1:16:00
  degree, and two counts of possession of cocaine, a felony,
• 1:16:03
  fives both with forfeiture specifications.
• 1:16:06
  Since then, a presets report and drug and alcohol assessment have
• 1:16:08
  been completed. The defendant has 93 days of
• 1:16:11
  jail time credit. Matthews, Thank you.
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  Your Honor, this is Miss Daly's first felony offenses for felony
• 1:16:25
  convictions. She is requesting community
• 1:16:28
  control. I think that that's a joint
• 1:16:29
  recommendation that she be placed on community control.
• 1:16:33
  She was very forthcoming in her pre sentence report, did not in
• 1:16:38
  any way try to minimize or hold back the length of time that
• 1:16:42
  she's been using drugs, the drugs that she uses, the amounts
• 1:16:46
  that she uses and is very aware that she's fortunate to be alive
• 1:16:53
  at this point and does want help with this is requesting that
• 1:17:00
  the. Court place her on.
• 1:17:01
  Community sort of. She sort of wants help.
• 1:17:03
  She is sitting here today most certainly asking for help.
• 1:17:06
  I can say that. And she did the same thing in
• 1:17:09
  her PSR. She did.
• 1:17:11
  For the most. Part and is hoping that the
• 1:17:13
  court will consider placing her in the residential program at
• 1:17:17
  either Oak House or Nevada Ridge or New Beginnings and allowing
• 1:17:22
  her. She has been in jail for 93 days
• 1:17:26
  to get on with treatment at one of those facilities as soon as a
• 1:17:30
  benefit. Thank you.
• 1:17:31
  Where's Miss Thomas? I don't know.
• 1:17:33
  She's in Cleveland. Why?
• 1:17:36
  She's with my sister. I don't know why she was
• 1:17:40
  supposed to come. She got out of jail and she was
• 1:17:42
  supposed to come to probation. And like, our car's been in the
• 1:17:46
  impounds in September, so she didn't have a ride here, OK?
• 1:17:50
  She was supposed to be over there on April 6th for her for
• 1:17:55
  for her interview, for her intervention in lieu.
• 1:17:59
  But you do that, right? I know that.
• 1:18:02
  And and so she's been gone for the better part of six weeks.
• 1:18:06
  Why? Because she doesn't have a car.
• 1:18:08
  Correct, because she doesn't have any support at all in the
• 1:18:11
  area. Like her family lives in Canton
• 1:18:13
  and they're. So she's she's just going to run
• 1:18:16
  around until they catch her. She wants her lawyer told her to
• 1:18:20
  put herself in treatment. Well, I Who's her lawyer?
• 1:18:24
  Allison someone she got a private attorney.
• 1:18:28
  Well, why do you think I said you sort of want help?
• 1:18:31
  I'm not sure. You're not sure?
• 1:18:34
  Because I still communicate with her.
• 1:18:36
  Yeah, we've been together for 12 years.
• 1:18:38
  Right, I understand that. And if I let you out of jail
• 1:18:43
  today, the first thing you're going to go do is run to her
• 1:18:46
  and, and, and I'm going to, I'm going to take a wild guess right
• 1:18:49
  now and presume that she's using drugs.
• 1:18:52
  And then you're going to tell me, no, she's not.
• 1:18:54
  I don't know for sure what she's.
• 1:18:57
  Doing you don't know, what do you guys been doing the last 12
• 1:18:59
  years? Well, we were sober the first
• 1:19:01
  half of our relationship. She never.
• 1:19:03
  She didn't do. Drugs.
• 1:19:03
  What do you been doing the last six years?
• 1:19:05
  Well. As much drugs as you can get,
• 1:19:08
  yeah. So let's not pretend that you
• 1:19:11
  wouldn't get out and start using drugs, and let's not pretend
• 1:19:14
  that she's not using drugs right now.
• 1:19:16
  I absolutely don't expect you to let me out of jail today.
• 1:19:18
  Well, I'm not going to, but in the event that I did, that's the
• 1:19:22
  first thing that you 2 would do because that's what you've been
• 1:19:25
  doing. Now you say the right things to
• 1:19:28
  Miss Weehagen and to the evaluator, and I don't know how
• 1:19:32
  to square that with your contact with Miss Thomas while this is
• 1:19:36
  going on. We both definitely have work
• 1:19:39
  that we need to do, but like I'm willing to separately, yes.
• 1:19:44
  So, So what? What is it exactly that you
• 1:19:47
  think you need? The consequences for all the BS
• 1:19:52
  I've OK. Yeah, you're going to get,
• 1:19:53
  you're going to get consequences, OK, but.
• 1:19:56
  They go. In order in order to dig you out
• 1:19:58
  of the hole that you've dug for yourself for the last 20 years,
• 1:20:02
  23 years. What is it you think you need?
• 1:20:06
  I definitely need some residential treatment like
• 1:20:09
  there's no question, I definitely.
• 1:20:10
  What? What does that?
• 1:20:12
  What does that do? Gives me the tools I need to
• 1:20:15
  navigate the world as a normal functioning silver person.
• 1:20:20
  But what you don't want is you don't want to go to Neocamp.
• 1:20:23
  Right. I would prefer to not go there.
• 1:20:25
  Why? I've just heard really crazy
• 1:20:28
  things about it. And who have you heard this
• 1:20:30
  from? People that are in the jail that
• 1:20:33
  have all gone there. People that are in jail, right?
• 1:20:37
  You're listening. You're listening to the people
• 1:20:40
  that are in jail. So far they've shown a great
• 1:20:43
  command of their lives because they're in jail.
• 1:20:45
  So you hear from people in jail that they don't like Neocamp, So
• 1:20:49
  you don't want to go to Neocamp not knowing the first thing
• 1:20:53
  about it or what it's designed to do.
• 1:20:55
  I don't. You want to steer the ship to do
• 1:20:58
  what you want to do on the terms you want to do it in the time
• 1:21:01
  frame you want to do it. And so far the ship is way out
• 1:21:04
  of control, isn't it? Otherwise you wouldn't be
• 1:21:08
  sitting here right now. Right.
• 1:21:09
  You're right. You're right.
• 1:21:11
  And then and then what do you do about your mental health status?
• 1:21:15
  What do you mean? I don't know what do you?
• 1:21:17
  What am I doing or what do I need to do?
• 1:21:19
  What do you need to do? I need a lot of therapy.
• 1:21:22
  I probably need medicated for sure.
• 1:21:24
  So how you going to how do you since since you think you need
• 1:21:29
  to go to Oak House and that'll solve that part of the problem?
• 1:21:32
  What what solves the other part of the problem?
• 1:21:34
  Do you know what if the people in jail told you you should do
• 1:21:37
  about your mental health? I don't know, I just assumed
• 1:21:40
  there were resources there. There are a lot of resources for
• 1:21:43
  that. The last guy that was here half
• 1:21:46
  an hour ago, he had all the resources he could use and now
• 1:21:49
  he's on the bus to to prison because he didn't use it.
• 1:21:52
  Resources are there. That's not an issue.
• 1:21:55
  The issue is whether you use it right.
• 1:21:57
  And you're, you're more, it seems to me, consumed with your
• 1:22:03
  relationship with Miss Thomas than you are with your mental
• 1:22:08
  health struggles and your drug addiction.
• 1:22:11
  And so guess what's going to win out there?
• 1:22:14
  My addiction, right? Is that the answer you think I
• 1:22:17
  wanted? I mean, this isn't like a game
• 1:22:20
  here, OK? This is this is somebody who has
• 1:22:25
  spent the better part, the vast majority of the last 23 years
• 1:22:31
  indulging in a drug addiction, right?
• 1:22:33
  Right. And so do you think there's some
• 1:22:37
  magic potion to get you out of that drug addiction?
• 1:22:40
  With the. Complicating factors of the
• 1:22:42
  mental health issues. I know there's not.
• 1:22:45
  So where? Where's your family members in
• 1:22:47
  all this equation? I don't, I haven't spoken to my
• 1:22:51
  mom in over a year. My sister, she was going to try
• 1:22:56
  to be here, but she has a four year old and a four month old
• 1:22:59
  baby. And so I, you know, is that.
• 1:23:04
  Is the four year old Sebastian. Yes.
• 1:23:08
  And Leo is the baby. Where does where does she live?
• 1:23:12
  In Cleveland. She just moved back to Cleveland
• 1:23:15
  from Pittsburgh. But she's so now she's my only
• 1:23:18
  family I have in the state. What's her name?
• 1:23:21
  Victoria. Does she know you were using her
• 1:23:24
  name? She knows.
• 1:23:25
  She What does she think about that?
• 1:23:27
  She, she thinks I just, she knows I need help.
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  I'm lucky that she has forgiven me and still will talk to me.
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  I'm I know that I would probably never talk to me again if I were
• 1:23:40
  her. Your uncle live in Pennsylvania?
• 1:23:45
  My brother does. My uncle lives in Texas.
• 1:23:48
  My other cousin lives in Texas. My mom's in South Carolina.
• 1:23:54
  So when you talk about the first half of your relationship being
• 1:23:58
  sober, why? Why were you sober?
• 1:24:02
  I had just gotten out of jail and I was on in the I was going
• 1:24:06
  to Suboxone Dr. That really helped.
• 1:24:08
  That really helped. Until you started using the
• 1:24:11
  cocaine. Yep.
• 1:24:12
  Why did you start using the cocaine?
• 1:24:14
  No, I don't know, because I met a guy at work that sold it.
• 1:24:18
  That was, I mean really, that's that's the reason why.
• 1:24:20
  So you were drug free for six years?
• 1:24:23
  Yeah. And so somebody offers it to you
• 1:24:26
  and you take it. No, I was, I, I mean, I was,
• 1:24:29
  there were things leading up to it, like I was, you know,
• 1:24:32
  stressed out my job. I was working 2 jobs at the
• 1:24:35
  time. I was really, really stressed
• 1:24:37
  out, had a lot of bills. It was there was just a lot of
• 1:24:41
  stuff going on. My sister was living with me and
• 1:24:43
  she was in an abusive relationship and couldn't get
• 1:24:46
  the boyfriend out of the house. It was just like there was a lot
• 1:24:48
  of factors that, you know, led up to that She just popped up at
• 1:24:53
  the right time and. Then it was all over, right?
• 1:24:56
  It's slow, yeah. Over the next year, yeah.
• 1:25:00
  So. So for a period of time, you
• 1:25:02
  took advantage of whatever you needed to take advantage of to
• 1:25:06
  be sober. Not assuming you're telling me
• 1:25:08
  that it's actually the truth. OK, You were able to do that?
• 1:25:12
  Right. OK, well, you weren't able to do
• 1:25:15
  it, right? So when you were in jail before
• 1:25:19
  you got out that time, how long were you in jail for?
• 1:25:22
  Six months. Well, it was 5.
• 1:25:23
  I got 30. I got sentenced to 180 days.
• 1:25:26
  I got 30 good days for being trustee.
• 1:25:29
  That was in Alliance. It was Stark County, Yeah.
• 1:25:33
  OK. Well, that was sometime in 14,
• 1:25:36
  right? Fall of 14, maybe summer, fall
• 1:25:38
  of 14 that you got out. May Yep, may all.
• 1:25:41
  Right. And you pick up a disorderly
• 1:25:43
  conduct in Willoughby a year later or so.
• 1:25:47
  What was that all about? So it's disorderly conduct
• 1:25:49
  fighting. Oh, that was really that soon.
• 1:25:53
  That was when I was working at Window Nation and there was a
• 1:25:56
  bunch of drunk people there. We had like a booth set up there
• 1:25:59
  and there was people were drinking and I think me and Lexi
• 1:26:04
  got into an argument. She worked there also.
• 1:26:07
  That has to be what it what it was.
• 1:26:09
  All right then. Then, 19, you have a obstruction
• 1:26:13
  delaying a public official in Willoughby.
• 1:26:15
  What was that all about? Yes, that was I gave a false
• 1:26:18
  name that day. Why?
• 1:26:20
  Because I had AI thought that I had a warrant which I did in in
• 1:26:24
  Stow. I do.
• 1:26:25
  I do still. And I didn't know.
• 1:26:29
  I didn't want to get arrested on it, so I gave them my sister's
• 1:26:32
  name. Is this a time period when when
• 1:26:35
  you claim that you were sober? That was right around the time I
• 1:26:39
  started using. And then you had something in
• 1:26:42
  Lakewood that there's a warrant out now, right?
• 1:26:44
  Right. Appear.
• 1:26:45
  And then you got this, these two incidents that you were passed
• 1:26:49
  out, one in the car and one at the table and sheets, right?
• 1:26:53
  Right. OK, why is it that you don't
• 1:26:56
  have any communication with your mother?
• 1:26:59
  She just she stopped talking to me.
• 1:27:01
  I don't honestly know why, probably she's just sick of my
• 1:27:05
  BS. We never had a close
• 1:27:07
  relationship anyway you know? But she just cut off complete
• 1:27:12
  contact with me about a year ago.
• 1:27:14
  Where does she live? In South Carolina does.
• 1:27:17
  She have contact with your sister?
• 1:27:19
  She does. What about your brother?
• 1:27:21
  Yes. When you were on the suboxone
• 1:27:32
  for that period of time, were you using opiates at all?
• 1:27:35
  No, why not? They have the Suboxone have a
• 1:27:40
  blocker so you even if you try to get high, you can't.
• 1:27:45
  And it really helps immensely for you to like.
• 1:27:47
  It really helped me mentally to not even think about using
• 1:27:51
  'cause I knew that I couldn't. Well, you knew you could use
• 1:27:53
  cocaine and that wouldn't block it, right?
• 1:27:55
  Right. Or marijuana.
• 1:27:56
  Or a lot of other things, right? Right.
• 1:28:04
  How many different places do you have warrants from do you know?
• 1:28:09
  Stowe, Lakewood and that there might be one in Cleveland or
• 1:28:14
  Cuyahoga County. Megan, that's somewhere in here,
• 1:28:17
  isn't it? It is.
• 1:28:18
  It's for an. ODI is that where's that ad in
• 1:28:22
  the report Should. Be in the.
• 1:28:24
  OK, age. Age. 16.
• 1:28:28
  When's the last time you had a license?
• 1:28:32
  Whenever I got that driving under suspension and still it
• 1:28:37
  got suspended because my SR22 lapsed and then I haven't had
• 1:28:40
  one since then. Mr. Noff.
• 1:28:46
  Thank you, your honor. The states are recommending a
• 1:28:48
  term of community control. The defendant does have a
• 1:28:51
  criminal history dating back to 2010 with multiple paraphernalia
• 1:28:57
  and possession of drug abuse abuse instrument charges as well
• 1:29:00
  as an OVI. The defendant did sit in the
• 1:29:02
  matter of jail for some time under somebody else's name.
• 1:29:05
  However, this is her first felony offence and her PSR does
• 1:29:08
  show at least a recognition of her addiction, so the state
• 1:29:11
  would recommend community control.
• 1:29:27
  Anything else you want to say? I hope that you see value in
• 1:29:30
  sending me somewhere where I can get help because I I do want it
• 1:29:33
  and I do think that I can thrive if I have the proper tools.
• 1:29:37
  All right. I, I see a lot of value in doing
• 1:29:39
  that. OK, Question is whether you see
• 1:29:42
  the value and and if you see the value, then you're going to then
• 1:29:46
  you're going to do what you need to do.
• 1:29:47
  If you don't see the value, then you'll be back.
• 1:29:50
  Right. OK, Your brother sees the value,
• 1:29:54
  his wife sees the value, Elizabeth sees the value, Uncle
• 1:30:00
  Greg sees the value, and Dawn sees the value.
• 1:30:06
  But that's not the pertinent question.
• 1:30:10
  All right. I've reviewed the precepts
• 1:30:12
  report, the drug and alcohol evaluation, the letters that
• 1:30:15
  sent in support of the defendant.
• 1:30:18
  I've listened to Miss Daily speak.
• 1:30:21
  Mr. Matthews. Mr. Noff considered all the
• 1:30:24
  provisions in 29291112 and 13. I'm going to place you on
• 1:30:28
  community control for five years.
• 1:30:30
  You're going to serve 153 days in jail with credit for 93.
• 1:30:34
  You're going to complete the jail treatment program and
• 1:30:36
  follow the recommendations, and you're going to enter into the
• 1:30:39
  Neocad program, complete it, and follow the recommendations.
• 1:30:42
  After that, you're going to reside in a sober living
• 1:30:46
  facility for a minimum of six months.
• 1:30:48
  You're going to have no drugs or alcohol and you'll be screened.
• 1:30:52
  You're to utilize only one doctor and one dentist and one
• 1:30:54
  pharmacy for any prescription medication.
• 1:30:57
  Any medication that you are prescribed, you're to take only
• 1:31:01
  as it's prescribed. You will send releases so
• 1:31:03
  probation can get your records. You're going to get a mental
• 1:31:07
  health evaluation to follow the recommendations, attend at least
• 1:31:11
  4A A or NA meetings a week and obtain A sponsor.
• 1:31:15
  I'm going to refer you to the Manor Municipal Court mental
• 1:31:19
  health docket. You'll be evaluated in the next
• 1:31:23
  few days in the jail by a gentleman named Jamie Dials for
• 1:31:27
  that program, which is going to specifically address mental
• 1:31:30
  health and drug addiction issues.
• 1:31:33
  You'd have no contact with Alexandria Thomas and you're
• 1:31:36
  going to pay the cost supervision fees.
• 1:31:38
  Do you understand those terms? I do.
• 1:31:41
  Do you intend to comply with those terms?
• 1:31:43
  How long is there no contact for?
• 1:31:45
  See, There we go. Here's the Here's the bug.
• 1:31:47
  Right here, I'm just I, that's my.
• 1:31:49
  Question for for for as long a time as it is determined that
• 1:31:54
  you are on a track that you won't go right back to where you
• 1:31:58
  were. Now you only have so much
• 1:32:01
  control over that because maybe maybe you're on that track a
• 1:32:04
  year from now, maybe you're on that track 15 months from now.
• 1:32:09
  But right now she's running around out there using drugs,
• 1:32:11
  avoiding her obligation, avoiding any responsibility for
• 1:32:16
  what she did. So of the 13 terms that I just
• 1:32:20
  gave you, the one that could should concern you the least,
• 1:32:23
  but concerns you the most is number 12.
• 1:32:26
  And the one that is the most dangerous is number 12.
• 1:32:30
  This is why I said what I said when I first opened my mouth out
• 1:32:34
  here about where your head is at.
• 1:32:36
  So I know where your head is at. Question is whether it's going
• 1:32:39
  to stay there or get to where it needs to get Any other
• 1:32:42
  questions? No.
• 1:32:44
  If you don't comply, the state will file a motion to terminate
• 1:32:47
  your community control. And if I find you violated, then
• 1:32:52
  you face potentially 78 months in prison.
• 1:32:54
  You understand that? I do.
• 1:32:56
  That's 6 1/2 years. You understand that?
• 1:32:58
  Yeah. Anything else, Mr. Noff?
• 1:33:01
  No, Your Honor. Thank you.
• 1:33:03
  The remaining charges are dismissed.
• 1:33:05
  Anything else, Mr. Matthews? No, you're right.
• 1:33:07
  Thank you. All right.
• 1:33:09
  Paul Ronnison. OK, all righty, friends.
• 1:33:15
  I'm not sure she gets it. I mean, you know, do you intend
• 1:33:21
  to comply? Well, tell me again about the
• 1:33:23
  whole no contact thing. How long does that go, Judge?
• 1:33:26
  I don't know. Well, let's do this.
• 1:33:29
  Let's go down to Texas, keeping with this channel's promise of 9
• 1:33:32
  to 11% more Judge Boyd. Let's see what's going on there.
• 1:33:37
  All right. And then state you have a
• 1:33:39
  witness. AJ Blackbird.
• 1:33:43
  All right, and served, you'll stand over there with the
• 1:33:44
  deputy. You're back against the counter.
• 1:33:49
  Thank you for coming down. All right.
• 1:33:51
  Could you raise your right hand for me, please?
• 1:33:53
  Do you solemnly swear? Affirm.
• 1:33:54
  The testimony you give would be the truth and nothing but the
• 1:33:57
  truth so help you God? All right, you can lower your
• 1:33:59
  hand if you will state your name for the record.
• 1:34:03
  Anthony Blackburn, junior. All right, state you may proceed
• 1:34:06
  good. Morning, Mr. Blackburn.
• 1:34:10
  What do you recall? This is?
• 1:34:12
  The night began with some phone calls back and forth between my
• 1:34:16
  father and my mother. So she had reiterated several
• 1:34:19
  times that she did not want to have conversations with him.
• 1:34:24
  Where were you in this conversation?
• 1:34:27
  We're at my apartment, my residence.
• 1:34:29
  And your mother was wished with that.
• 1:34:31
  Yeah. So go ahead and continue.
• 1:34:34
  Several phone calls were made back and forth.
• 1:34:36
  So at one point I ended up get my mom had it on speakerphone
• 1:34:40
  and I kind of hopped on and told him that he needed to knock it
• 1:34:44
  off. So we're all fed up with it now.
• 1:34:47
  Who was doing the call and was it your mom calling your dad or
• 1:34:50
  your dad phone call? Yeah.
• 1:34:52
  How many times did you say you made the call?
• 1:34:53
  Upwards of it doesn't. That day, OK.
• 1:34:55
  And then what happened after you got on the phone with the told
• 1:34:58
  which we got into an argument over the phone.
• 1:35:01
  Eventually we hung up, but what happened was he proceeded to
• 1:35:05
  call my sister and pick a fight with her and my brother-in-law.
• 1:35:10
  What happened after? That point my brother-in-law
• 1:35:13
  left his resident. He had taken my sister's keys
• 1:35:19
  with him so that she couldn't follow.
• 1:35:22
  I received a phone call from my sister letting me know that my
• 1:35:26
  brother-in-law was and Rod over there and that he was really
• 1:35:30
  upset. So I hopped in my truck to go
• 1:35:34
  try to play peacemaker. And where were you planning to
• 1:35:36
  go? Right where I went right out of
• 1:35:38
  the house across the street. Was it your intent to?
• 1:35:42
  Cause any hostility that. Not at all.
• 1:35:44
  Was it your attempt to cause any violence that you know?
• 1:35:48
  Were you intending to threaten your father that?
• 1:35:51
  So what happened? When you arrived at your
• 1:35:52
  father's close, I was coming down the road.
• 1:35:56
  His house would have been on my left hand side.
• 1:35:59
  I put over to the right hand across the street, parked pretty
• 1:36:03
  much directly in front of his driveway across the street.
• 1:36:07
  He exited his residence and he exited.
• 1:36:10
  Where were you when he exited? I was inside my driver's seat of
• 1:36:13
  my truck. OK, so you hadn't even gotten
• 1:36:15
  out of your truck and he's already coming back.
• 1:36:16
  What happened after he exited his residence?
• 1:36:18
  He stopped at the front porch and began shouting that I needed
• 1:36:24
  to get out of there. Essentially at that point I
• 1:36:27
  opened one about that in a nice way.
• 1:36:30
  Not at all. What happened after he said
• 1:36:32
  those things? I as he was yelling, I had begun
• 1:36:35
  to open my door and I stepped out and kind of anchored the my
• 1:36:39
  back to the side of my truck and had said something along the
• 1:36:42
  lines of you need to stop acting effing crazy.
• 1:36:47
  What did your father do in? Response to you saying.
• 1:36:50
  That point, he repeated the word crazy, but his index finger in
• 1:36:54
  the air and said, wait right there.
• 1:36:57
  I kind of they're in shock. Like he had turned around at
• 1:37:01
  that point and reentered the home.
• 1:37:03
  Where did you think was? Potentially going to happen at
• 1:37:07
  that point. Honestly, at that point, I
• 1:37:09
  didn't. I didn't think anything.
• 1:37:11
  What happened was the last thing I would have thought.
• 1:37:14
  What happened after he went back into the residence?
• 1:37:17
  I could hear some things shuffling around in the house in
• 1:37:20
  a violent manner and then I heard the clear distinct sound
• 1:37:27
  of a shotgun rack and at that point I re entered my vehicle.
• 1:37:31
  And where did you hear that sound come from?
• 1:37:34
  Inside the residence. Sounds silly, but how did?
• 1:37:36
  You know, it was a shotgun. I've done this my whole life,
• 1:37:40
  finding outdoor stuff. I I know that sound.
• 1:37:43
  So you're familiar with. OK, so very much after I heard
• 1:37:47
  that sound, I jumped in the truck because I knew very well
• 1:37:50
  what that sound was. And I hammered down on the gas
• 1:37:53
  as hard as I could. As I was driving off, I remember
• 1:37:59
  taking a look back over my left shoulder and he was running out
• 1:38:03
  the front door with the shotgun in hand.
• 1:38:06
  He I saw him shoulder it up. I put my head down towards the
• 1:38:11
  center console, heard the bang, felt the shake of the truck,
• 1:38:15
  immediately was overtaken with the smell of gunpowder.
• 1:38:21
  To your knowledge of where did the shotgun license hit?
• 1:38:24
  My driver's side back door. How close was that from where
• 1:38:29
  you 1824 inches behind me, a little on the low side.
• 1:38:33
  What did you do after you put that?
• 1:38:35
  I immediately started patting myself down, make sure I wasn't
• 1:38:39
  hit. That was the first thing, and
• 1:38:41
  then actually called my mother initially.
• 1:38:45
  And did you feel that I was saying complete disbelief?
• 1:38:51
  She asked me probably what all mothers asked if I had called
• 1:38:55
  the police. I said no and hung up and did
• 1:38:59
  that immediately. Where were you going to give the
• 1:39:01
  call to? I believe I was right around
• 1:39:05
  Nogalitos and Division Rd. intersection, give or take.
• 1:39:09
  How far away is that mile? Less than a mile.
• 1:39:12
  When you were there at his residence, did you ever leave
• 1:39:17
  the proximity of your no In total, how long would you see
• 1:39:20
  you but like forever, 2 to 3 minutes probably.
• 1:39:23
  If we're being realistic, maybe. And how would you describe the
• 1:39:26
  fine behavior that was like he was enraged.
• 1:39:28
  He was very, very upset. My last question is, how did it
• 1:39:31
  feel to have your father's probably the worst feeling I've
• 1:39:35
  ever felt in my life. I personally, I grew up
• 1:39:39
  idolizing one could be like in that moment had decided he
• 1:39:43
  wanted to try to take my life and it was still is the hardest
• 1:39:46
  thing I've ever had to deal with to this day.
• 1:39:48
  Good morning, My name is from Carlos.
• 1:39:51
  We've spoken a couple times on the phone in regards to this
• 1:39:56
  case correct you, you are aware that your father's have a no
• 1:40:02
  contact order so he hasn't been able to reach out to you after
• 1:40:06
  this mental health crisis that he had that day.
• 1:40:09
  One more would it surprise you that he has?
• 1:40:16
  Yeah, I think it just goes to your.
• 1:40:20
  Oh, and if and also if you all, you all can step that way to the
• 1:40:23
  court reporter and I, I can can. You hear me now?
• 1:40:26
  Yeah. OK.
• 1:40:28
  Would would it surprise you that that Anthony, I've I've been
• 1:40:32
  representing him now for. For over a year.
• 1:40:35
  And yesterday, he he testified and and showed his remorse of of
• 1:40:40
  what he what he did. That's the last thing that he
• 1:40:43
  ever wanted to do was was harm you.
• 1:40:45
  He just for whatever reason, y'all's emotions were all very
• 1:40:49
  heightened. Is that a fair necessary?
• 1:40:54
  And you you know, your father probably struggles with his
• 1:40:58
  emotional control. You you've seen that as a child,
• 1:41:04
  I'm sure, Yeah. OK, very much so.
• 1:41:07
  But in all fairness, do you, do you feel like your father has,
• 1:41:11
  has, has been a good father to you when you were little and he
• 1:41:13
  was teaching baseball and, and what he's proud of y'all did
• 1:41:17
  y'all get that sense of, of, of him?
• 1:41:19
  I think him as a father, it was always the two extremes.
• 1:41:25
  The the good was always great, couldn't complain about it.
• 1:41:30
  The good was great, but when it was bad, it was it was bad.
• 1:41:35
  So in, in fairness with that, with that answer, right?
• 1:41:39
  It it, it kind of shows the court that your, your father is
• 1:41:41
  either hot or he's cold, right? He has a he has an inability to,
• 1:41:45
  to modulate his, his emotional impulses.
• 1:41:49
  Or if he if something gets imagined, he sparks up pretty
• 1:41:52
  quickly. But in this situation, he's made
• 1:41:57
  a mess of himself. Is that a fair assessment?
• 1:42:00
  OK. And by having an affair and
• 1:42:04
  having these two, your two sisters now essentially and not
• 1:42:10
  not telling the family for so long and then springing it on
• 1:42:13
  for the family, that must have been like pulling a pin up hand
• 1:42:17
  grenade. And I'm sure that that
• 1:42:19
  devastated your mother, right? And, and you guys are very
• 1:42:22
  protective of your mother, correct?
• 1:42:24
  You, you and your, you've got a younger brother, Brandon.
• 1:42:26
  That's OK. And and then you're having to
• 1:42:29
  deal with your with your pop who does love you guys very much.
• 1:42:33
  Is that a fair assessment? But he has he has a he's had a
• 1:42:36
  difficult time, you know, controlling his emotions.
• 1:42:39
  He wants the family all to embrace the the two new sisters
• 1:42:43
  because he wants that. But everybody else has their own
• 1:42:46
  feelings about it, correct. And and he was in his attempt to
• 1:42:51
  to have his family unit united. He was going about it the wrong
• 1:42:54
  way by trying to force you guys need to accept them.
• 1:42:57
  And is that is that a fair OK. And then things got super
• 1:43:01
  heated. He got booted out of the house
• 1:43:03
  though, right? Rightfully so.
• 1:43:05
  And he's been living alone now after 20, how many years?
• 1:43:09
  Married to your Mom 9. I think at this point.
• 1:43:12
  That's a long time. So now he's an older guy alone
• 1:43:15
  because of his own doing. OK, but he is alone.
• 1:43:19
  He struggles with with modulating his his emotional
• 1:43:23
  impulsivity. Correct.
• 1:43:26
  And he's frustrated because he sell the part, the good part of
• 1:43:30
  him, right? Just wants everybody to be
• 1:43:32
  together. That's ideally what he wanted,
• 1:43:34
  right? But you guys weren't ready and
• 1:43:37
  you guys are hurt. And so, so ugly things were
• 1:43:40
  being said both ways, right? Mom can get somebody better.
• 1:43:44
  And yeah, all the ugly things that he said, I'm sure too.
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  You show up, you know that your brother-in-law is on his way and
• 1:43:51
  he's pissed, correct? So, so from your dad's
• 1:43:56
  standpoint, he, when he sees people coming over after having
• 1:43:59
  such a heated conversation, right, because your mom put the
• 1:44:03
  the call on speaker. Your, your father, at least from
• 1:44:05
  his perspective, he doesn't know why people now are showing up.
• 1:44:08
  He's going, oh God, they're AJ is going to beat me up or
• 1:44:11
  someone's going to beat me up. It wouldn't be far fetched for
• 1:44:13
  him to think that correct? On that point, I would say he he
• 1:44:17
  was aware he at several points throughout the phone calls, he
• 1:44:22
  had welcomed us over there to sort things out.
• 1:44:25
  In a sense, he was very much so. Aware OK and so and and and
• 1:44:34
  knowing how he is where he cannot regulate his emotions now
• 1:44:38
  he sees you there on this property.
• 1:44:40
  He's now freaking out. It's it's our standpoint that at
• 1:44:44
  that point, your father hasn't had any therapy ever in this
• 1:44:48
  line and he has, he's never navigated.
• 1:44:52
  How do you handle when you, when you spring on a family that you
• 1:44:55
  love, that I've got an extra family that you nobody knows how
• 1:44:58
  to navigate that, right? Especially somebody like your
• 1:45:01
  pop. OK, He now he sees you there.
• 1:45:06
  He just has he and I know, I know this.
• 1:45:09
  He loves you very much. He loves the whole family.
• 1:45:12
  And he is so ashamed at what he can't even believe that he's
• 1:45:16
  done what he did, but he did it, and he's here for that.
• 1:45:20
  And I just want to make sure that we have all the context for
• 1:45:24
  the judge in fairness. And he's got 1 foot in the
• 1:45:29
  prison already. And he knows this.
• 1:45:31
  And it terrifies it, in all fairness.
• 1:45:34
  Anthony, can you see that your father was at the brink in his
• 1:45:39
  life, the lowest point that he's probably ever been, and he just
• 1:45:43
  snapped? Is that a possibility in your
• 1:45:45
  mind for what you know? Of this man I do.
• 1:45:48
  It it's something that you told Rick that when he went into the
• 1:45:52
  house and then you heard that you had, you were like, that's
• 1:45:55
  the last thing that you thought was going to even happen,
• 1:45:58
  correct? Because he's never done
• 1:46:00
  something like this. Before he's gone off the wall in
• 1:46:03
  the past, he'd never done anything remotely on the playing
• 1:46:07
  field of this. Yeah, and, and, and I believe
• 1:46:10
  so, if not, Judge Boyd has a really difficult decision to
• 1:46:15
  make because typically on a, on a case like this, people get
• 1:46:19
  sent to prison and she does it all the time.
• 1:46:21
  She's she's known for this, but she's trying to make a decision
• 1:46:24
  here. And that's why she she asked you
• 1:46:26
  to come. And we're all thankful that you
• 1:46:27
  are here today to give, to give her a little bit more context.
• 1:46:32
  If if she places him on probation, what would you like
• 1:46:36
  her to do? If she is granted probation, I
• 1:46:40
  think he mandatory. He needs to remain in therapy,
• 1:46:44
  he needs to continue his anger management classes.
• 1:46:47
  There needs to be no contact orders in place for me and my
• 1:46:51
  family, your mother, my mother, my brother, my older sister.
• 1:46:56
  At this point, none of us want to speak to him and we'd like
• 1:47:00
  for it to remain that way and just to ensure that it is on A1
• 1:47:05
  strike basis. I'm I am fully OK if Judge Boyd
• 1:47:10
  opts to do this, but I am very big on if he does drop the ball
• 1:47:16
  even something small one time. I think he needs to finish his
• 1:47:20
  term behind bars. That's, that's a fair, that's a
• 1:47:22
  fair answer. Let me ask you this one.
• 1:47:24
  This was kind of more like a personal thing because I've I've
• 1:47:27
  gotten to know this man. If he if he does all that and he
• 1:47:31
  and he makes the changes and he learns how to modulate himself
• 1:47:34
  and he and he goes through therapy, is there any chance
• 1:47:37
  that that the family will will someday in the future possibly
• 1:47:40
  embrace him back? I can't.
• 1:47:42
  Position. I can't speak for my family, but
• 1:47:46
  as far As for myself, what's what took place that night is
• 1:47:51
  irreversible and I do not see myself having a relationship
• 1:47:55
  with him moving forward. No further questions.
• 1:47:57
  Thank you. Any further questions?
• 1:47:59
  No further questions. All right.
• 1:48:00
  Thank. You for coming down All right,
• 1:48:02
  so I'm going to tell everybody this this is what my issue is
• 1:48:06
  with this case and This is why I'm I'm glad you all were able
• 1:48:10
  to have the complainant to come in and talk because I wanted to
• 1:48:13
  know what was going on that night.
• 1:48:15
  But my issue is he's we have this incident that we're here
• 1:48:20
  for today where I'm sure based upon his actions, the affair
• 1:48:27
  having children then as you said, council springing it on
• 1:48:31
  the family and they're supposed to be accepting of these other
• 1:48:35
  people. So I'm sure it was heated
• 1:48:37
  arguments on both sides. I'm sure the telephone call was
• 1:48:41
  a heated phone call and I understand that but here's my
• 1:48:46
  issue. He goes there the sun is
• 1:48:50
  outside. Nobody's presented any
• 1:48:52
  information to the court that the Sun threatened him.
• 1:48:57
  I'm sure they had a heated conversation.
• 1:49:00
  And that is why, you know, based upon the testimony that the son
• 1:49:05
  said where your client was just one moment, but his son is
• 1:49:11
  driving away and is fired upon again.
• 1:49:14
  I understand that everything is heated, but then he goes to
• 1:49:18
  therapy, which was the evidence that was presented to the court.
• 1:49:22
  And I have the certificate. I've read it.
• 1:49:25
  Great. That means that he's addressing
• 1:49:28
  the issue. If that were all there was of
• 1:49:32
  the evidence, it would be an easy decision for me to make
• 1:49:36
  based upon the testimony that I've heard.
• 1:49:39
  But after he finishes with therapy and he gets a
• 1:49:43
  certificate, he puts a tracker on his ex's vehicle.
• 1:49:47
  That's an issue and it seems that he's not letting go.
• 1:49:53
  Could I? Could I address that?
• 1:49:54
  And and. Oh, and.
• 1:49:55
  That's, and that's what I, I want you all to, to address.
• 1:49:58
  And I'm just telling you all what my issues are.
• 1:50:00
  And now I'll hear arguments from both sides and you all can
• 1:50:03
  address that. And if anybody wants to call
• 1:50:05
  somebody else as a witness to address that, you can.
• 1:50:08
  I can, I can just I'll just close in my close.
• 1:50:11
  I'll I'll, I'll I'll address those issues.
• 1:50:14
  So judge as, as, as you've you've become aware now and with
• 1:50:17
  with what's on the PSI. Anthony is a 56 year old man.
• 1:50:23
  He's two years younger than me. He's he's, he's a flawed man.
• 1:50:28
  Like most of us. We all have details at
• 1:50:30
  different, different degrees. He's flawed in the sense of, of,
• 1:50:36
  of, you know, regulating his emotions.
• 1:50:39
  I, I think we feel it's after, you know, talking with the
• 1:50:43
  family and getting to know Anthony a little bit more.
• 1:50:45
  It kind of stems from his, his, his childhood with his mother
• 1:50:49
  not having a solid place for him to go.
• 1:50:51
  So he was moved and shuffled around his sweet Uncle Joe that
• 1:50:55
  you met yesterday. He, he would try to step in a
• 1:50:57
  little bit. He has his own family and he was
• 1:50:59
  running a bone air conditioning business, but when he when he
• 1:51:02
  could have Anthony over and they, he would spend spend some
• 1:51:05
  weekends and a few weeks sometimes when he was a child,
• 1:51:08
  he would take them out and, and do the kind of fatherly things
• 1:51:10
  that he has. I've, I've raised four boys and
• 1:51:14
  I know how important a father is to boys and it and if if you're
• 1:51:18
  absent of that, it could, it can, it will cause some
• 1:51:21
  problems. Some guys stomach it up and and
• 1:51:23
  put their bootstraps and and become solid men, but not
• 1:51:26
  everybody. But my question then would be at
• 1:51:29
  what point? Because I'm sure everyone has
• 1:51:32
  some trauma in their past. At what point do his actions
• 1:51:35
  become his own and not? Through his through his actions
• 1:51:39
  and, and I'm not thrown to the typical defense.
• 1:51:41
  Oh, it's because he had a trouble child.
• 1:51:43
  I'm just trying to, you know, a lot of times when I take the we,
• 1:51:45
  we've been practicing together for a long time, right.
• 1:51:47
  And as criminal practitioners, we, we sometimes we have some
• 1:51:50
  evil people that we address and you, you see them in court all
• 1:51:53
  the time. And sometimes we have good
• 1:51:55
  people that just do some crazy things that they would not do.
• 1:51:58
  And when, and a lot of times we're trying to figure out why
• 1:52:00
  did this good person get to this point to do this?
• 1:52:04
  Because he's not somebody who's been got a history of this has
• 1:52:07
  been, this has been a surprise right?
• 1:52:09
  To his family, to his son, to himself.
• 1:52:12
  And it's because he had a mental snap because he doesn't have
• 1:52:15
  that foundation that that a lot of us had by being raised by by
• 1:52:18
  good family members and having a solid life and going to college
• 1:52:21
  and doing all that stuff. Not everybody has that life,
• 1:52:23
  right? And here's here's a guy who's
• 1:52:25
  who's been struggling to himself, desperately wanting to
• 1:52:29
  have a family. He found it with Carrie.
• 1:52:31
  He's raising two boys. He's teaching them how to play
• 1:52:33
  baseball. He's one of those active
• 1:52:35
  fathers. There's a lot of fathers that
• 1:52:36
  have kids and they don't do nothing with them.
• 1:52:39
  He's active with them. He loves them.
• 1:52:41
  He's flawed Now he, he, he, he has an affair with some woman.
• 1:52:45
  She, she gets pregnant. She has two of his kids.
• 1:52:48
  He doesn't introduce that. That's a big flaw.
• 1:52:50
  But that's not what he's here for, for that.
• 1:52:52
  But this is all part of what's swimming around in his mind and
• 1:52:55
  in his and in his heart. And he doesn't have the tools.
• 1:52:59
  This happens. The son, they're all mad and
• 1:53:02
  they they putting hands on each other on on past things.
• 1:53:07
  He's already invited them. You want to do some.
• 1:53:09
  So he's this is already getting to the point of, of some
• 1:53:12
  possible violence. And then he just, he's
• 1:53:14
  frustrated because he desperately wants his family to
• 1:53:17
  just accept the 2 girls, which is not a realistic thing.
• 1:53:21
  But in his childish kind of emotional way of thinking, I
• 1:53:26
  just want my family to be together because that's what he
• 1:53:28
  wants. So it, it, it comes from a good
• 1:53:31
  place, But how he is not able to regulate his emotions.
• 1:53:35
  He snapped and he did something that he would have never done.
• 1:53:39
  If, if judge if, if we would have thought that, oh, this is a
• 1:53:41
  self-defense case. We, this is not an, this is an
• 1:53:44
  imperfect self-defense case. And that's why we're pleading.
• 1:53:47
  He's, he's taking responsibility.
• 1:53:49
  He knows that what he did was absolutely bonkers.
• 1:53:51
  I've seen him cry with snots coming out of his nose because,
• 1:53:55
  because of, of how deeply he feels that he's hurt his son.
• 1:53:59
  So, so now we're here and this happens, you know, and, and, and
• 1:54:05
  hats off to SAPD Chief McMahon, who was my captain when I was a
• 1:54:09
  police officer in DC Chief McMahon, they showed up to, to,
• 1:54:12
  to Anthony's house and they were trying to make a decision with
• 1:54:15
  SWAT. Do we go in and grab this guy?
• 1:54:18
  And when, when Aunt Sarah came and, and they asked some
• 1:54:21
  questions and then they looked at his background, They figured
• 1:54:24
  out, OK, this is not one of them guys that we need to go in
• 1:54:27
  there, kick the door down and possibly shoot.
• 1:54:30
  He's not somebody who's like a gang member and he, this is a, a
• 1:54:33
  good guy who's had a, a, a snafu and let's just wait and we'll
• 1:54:39
  pick him up a few days later. So hats off for them for doing
• 1:54:42
  that. They don't do that in every case
• 1:54:44
  that they did it in this in this case, because he was at he was
• 1:54:47
  telling that he had, he was telling them on the police
• 1:54:50
  board, shoot me, shoot me. He had snapped.
• 1:54:53
  He knew that he had done something that he couldn't even
• 1:54:56
  believe that he did. He didn't even know where it
• 1:54:58
  came from. So finally he gets arrested.
• 1:55:01
  We put him through therapy, the first therapy that he's ever had
• 1:55:05
  in his life. And just because he's in therapy
• 1:55:06
  doesn't mean that he's cured. You know, this is could take a
• 1:55:09
  long time, but he's learning the tools.
• 1:55:11
  His family starts to see that, you know, you know, Anthony's
• 1:55:14
  getting he's changing. He's not like impulsively
• 1:55:16
  getting mad whenever they they he, he's, he's, he's being like
• 1:55:19
  a normal person. He's he's figuring things out.
• 1:55:22
  He knows that he had to make a change.
• 1:55:24
  And and if you've read in the PSI, when the when the probation
• 1:55:28
  officer asks him all these questions, it's the same thing
• 1:55:31
  that he said to them back then. He's saying it now.
• 1:55:35
  He knows that his wife, Carrie is the one is like the key
• 1:55:38
  holder to possibly having the the other sons accept him back
• 1:55:43
  or not ever like they used to be.
• 1:55:45
  They're never going to be the same family again, but to at
• 1:55:48
  least not alienate him so much. And so he foolishly without my
• 1:55:54
  knowledge, because I, this was just popped on me yesterday
• 1:55:57
  morning, that he put a, a thing on there so that he could maybe
• 1:56:01
  run into her and try to talk with her when you know, which is
• 1:56:04
  foolish. And, but, but he, he, it's, it's
• 1:56:07
  all in it. It's all with, with the, with
• 1:56:09
  the reasoning that he's just trying to get his family back.
• 1:56:12
  I think that if you were to even give him a chance and, and you
• 1:56:15
  do it, you can customize this to actually maybe, maybe help him
• 1:56:20
  with his progression. He's he's progressing put put
• 1:56:24
  strict no contact with Carrie too, even though she's not a
• 1:56:27
  complainant in this game. We're going to put it on Carrie,
• 1:56:29
  on Brandon and on on AJ no contact a 0 tolerance.
• 1:56:34
  You even cough in the wrong direction.
• 1:56:36
  You are going to prison because right now he's he's building a
• 1:56:39
  relationship with his daughters who he's just re re contacted
• 1:56:42
  with in the last three years, went to their key and says he
• 1:56:46
  pays child support. He's got a good job, he's living
• 1:56:49
  alone and he's figuring his life out.
• 1:56:51
  I, I think that we sometimes as criminal practice, we can help
• 1:56:54
  people achieve something. And it doesn't happen in every
• 1:56:57
  case, but it's, it's really nice when we see people that we
• 1:57:00
  haven't seen that, that have been in the court system and
• 1:57:02
  they change their life around and it's nice to be a part of
• 1:57:05
  that. I think that we can have that
• 1:57:06
  happen in Anthony's case, his son is open to to giving him a
• 1:57:11
  chance. He knows his father's never done
• 1:57:13
  anything like this. SAPD handled it the way that
• 1:57:16
  that I think they should have because they knew that he's not
• 1:57:18
  like an ongoing threat. I say let's give him a chance.
• 1:57:21
  And, and, and that's our our, our hope that you can, can
• 1:57:24
  consider that. But whatever your decision is,
• 1:57:26
  is your decision, and we respect.
• 1:57:28
  OK. And Mr. Blackburn, I want you to
• 1:57:32
  know whenever you go to judge's school, you know what they tell
• 1:57:35
  you? Don't say anything on the
• 1:57:37
  record. That's that's not me, right.
• 1:57:41
  And the reason why I say certain things is because it's happening
• 1:57:49
  mentally and I want those issues to address.
• 1:57:51
  And I never want attorneys to leave without addressing an
• 1:57:56
  issue that I may have to address my concerns.
• 1:58:00
  Because otherwise, it's sort of like when you have a jury trial
• 1:58:04
  and you do a closing argument to a jury and you think, hey, this
• 1:58:09
  is what everybody should be concentrating on.
• 1:58:11
  And then when they come back with the verdict, you find out
• 1:58:14
  now the whole thing to them was about a blue shirt or something.
• 1:58:17
  So that's why I will always ask questions because those are the
• 1:58:23
  things that I want to dress. So you're having an affair
• 1:58:29
  that's not really going into the court's consideration.
• 1:58:33
  Oh, you should go to prison or you should not go to prison.
• 1:58:36
  That's just something for me to consider about everything that
• 1:58:39
  was going on that night, like why tempers were the way they
• 1:58:43
  were. So I just wanted you to know
• 1:58:45
  that. OK?
• 1:58:46
  Yes, ma'am. All right.
• 1:58:49
  And I'm hearing everything and listening to everything and
• 1:58:52
  listening to everybody's arguments, OK?
• 1:58:54
  And I'm internalizing everything that everyone is saying because
• 1:58:56
  I'm trying to understand how we're at this point now with
• 1:59:02
  regards to the charges against you.
• 1:59:05
  OK? Yes, ma'am.
• 1:59:08
  Ma'am. All right, If you want to say
• 1:59:09
  something, you're still underoath.
• 1:59:10
  You know, I, I understand my son and my brother's son not wanting
• 1:59:14
  to and my wife, I'm sure she's going to divorce me.
• 1:59:17
  And I said they want they don't want nothing to do with me no
• 1:59:21
  more. Now if I could have a chance to
• 1:59:25
  raise my daughters, at least I'm.
• 1:59:28
  I'll walk that. Straight line, ma'am.
• 1:59:29
  You'll never see me. I would do whatever you require
• 1:59:32
  me to do. You know, I feel the good luck
• 1:59:36
  working. I'm a hard working man.
• 1:59:37
  I really am. I've done stupid things.
• 1:59:41
  But see, here's the thing. My major concern with you, yes
• 1:59:44
  ma'am, is well, one of the concerns is putting the tracker
• 1:59:50
  on the vehicle after therapy. And what I can tell you many
• 1:59:55
  times when relatives will come in and testify.
• 1:59:58
  And I can see that your, your son loves you, right?
• 2:00:00
  I don't think anybody thinks he doesn't love you.
• 2:00:04
  And I always tell loved ones and relatives who come testify
• 2:00:10
  because they're always like, Oh my gosh, did I say something
• 2:00:13
  wrong? Am I the reason this person is
• 2:00:15
  going to prison or not going to prison?
• 2:00:16
  And I would always tell them no. You're just there to give
• 2:00:21
  information. So everyone is here to give
• 2:00:22
  information to me so I can make what I deem to be the best
• 2:00:27
  decision. And what I can tell you what I'm
• 2:00:31
  grappling with with you is you know that your wife or soon to
• 2:00:37
  be ex-wife that you're going through a divorce with, She
• 2:00:39
  doesn't want anything to do with you anymore.
• 2:00:42
  And correct me if I'm wrong, but it appears on that night she
• 2:00:45
  didn't want anything to do with you.
• 2:00:47
  And if that would have been it where she doesn't want anything
• 2:00:51
  to do with you, this happened. I hear all the evidence and
• 2:00:54
  there is no tracker on her vehicle, then that would I would
• 2:00:58
  not be taking that into consideration as some of the
• 2:01:02
  evidence. But it appears there's issues
• 2:01:04
  with you with no contact. You understand I.
• 2:01:08
  Won't have any contact with him then.
• 2:01:10
  All right. And then do you have any
• 2:01:12
  questions of him? No questions, but I may have a
• 2:01:15
  2. Minute, yes, I'll hear your
• 2:01:17
  argument. I appreciate.
• 2:01:18
  The fact that it's trouble. Bless.
• 2:01:20
  It's upsetting. But he's 50, some point he needs
• 2:01:23
  to be responsible for his own. And I understand tempers were
• 2:01:26
  high that night, emotions were high.
• 2:01:28
  But to get to the point where he's going to fire a shotgun at
• 2:01:32
  his side, all he could have done stepped away on back inside.
• 2:01:36
  We're just called the police and I feel threatened by my son's
• 2:01:40
  presence here. I need help.
• 2:01:42
  Could have been a lot different. We wouldn't be here today.
• 2:01:44
  But to go forward that shotgun blast and have it impact the
• 2:01:49
  vehicle where his son was at 18 inches to 24 inches, like the
• 2:01:52
  sun just said, if he was any closer, could have been a
• 2:01:54
  different story altogether. And then for him to enter a plea
• 2:01:57
  to this, go to therapy, which I appreciate.
• 2:02:00
  But Despite that, trying to show you he's worthy of probation
• 2:02:05
  after all that, he puts the track around the very
• 2:02:08
  concerning, very upset because of his actions that I think he's
• 2:02:11
  held accountable and responsible for.
• 2:02:13
  State does not feel that he is an appropriate candidate for
• 2:02:15
  deferred. We would ask your honor, to deny
• 2:02:18
  his application for all the cabinets in the 10 years.
• 2:02:21
  OK All right. And how old are your daughters?
• 2:02:24
  18 and just. Turned 16 a couple days ago.
• 2:02:30
  All right, this is what and mind you, I'm taking everything in
• 2:02:34
  consideration in. My sentence.
• 2:02:36
  This is what the court is going to do.
• 2:02:37
  The court will find you guilty, sentence you to $1500 fine.
• 2:02:42
  Time and money will run concurrently.
• 2:02:44
  The court will sentence you to three years in the prison, give
• 2:02:48
  you credit for any time served. There's an affirmative finding
• 2:02:52
  of family violence and affirmative finding of a deadly
• 2:02:55
  weapon. There's to be no contact with
• 2:02:59
  Anthony Blackburn Junior. And what is the wife's name?
• 2:03:06
  Kerry. I'm sorry, who?
• 2:03:07
  Kerry Blackburn. All right.
• 2:03:09
  Is that KER? RYI.
• 2:03:11
  Believe it's. Something with CC?
• 2:03:14
  Kerry Blackburn, BAR. RIE.
• 2:03:18
  All right. And so there's to be no contact
• 2:03:20
  with Kerry Blackburn. And Anthony Blackburn, Junior
• 2:03:28
  Well, the question is does. Anyone know?
• 2:03:30
  And because the brother and sister those.
• 2:03:32
  Are adults right? Am I all right?
• 2:03:36
  Are they asking for no contact? And what I can.
• 2:03:40
  Tell you, Sir, is things may change, they may decide they
• 2:03:43
  want to have contact, but for now they're saying they don't
• 2:03:46
  want any contact. So I have to order no contact
• 2:03:50
  and I'm gonna order the therapeutic community, the
• 2:03:52
  therapeutic community and I will put for mental health the
• 2:03:57
  therapeutic community. I don't have any jurisdiction to
• 2:04:00
  force you in to have them place you in the program, but if you
• 2:04:04
  ask for it, they'll send the judgment that I put.
• 2:04:08
  Therapeutic community speaking with please sister and brother.
• 2:04:12
  His sister, Stephanie Blackburn, does.
• 2:04:14
  Want to know contact order brother Brother does not so we
• 2:04:18
  only asked each honor and enforce no contact order with
• 2:04:20
  Stephanie Blackburn so all. Right.
• 2:04:22
  So it's. Stephanie and no contact with
• 2:04:24
  Stephanie Blackburn. And the other person does is OK
• 2:04:29
  with having contact, all right. So Brandon wants to have
• 2:04:33
  contact. All right, did you review the
• 2:04:36
  document entitled trial court certification of defendants
• 2:04:39
  rights to appeal with your attorney?
• 2:04:40
  Did you understand it and sign it?
• 2:04:42
  Yes, ma'am, I did all right. Because this is a plea bargain
• 2:04:44
  agreement, because I followed your plea bargain agreement
• 2:04:46
  because. You waived your right to.
• 2:04:48
  Appeal. You do not have the court's
• 2:04:49
  permission to appeal because this is a felony conviction.
• 2:04:52
  You're not allowed to own or possess any weapons or
• 2:04:54
  ammunition. If you have a question about
• 2:04:56
  that, you'll need to speak with an attorney.
• 2:04:59
  What I can tell you is I listened to all the evidence.
• 2:05:03
  That is why I didn't send it to you to the full 10 years because
• 2:05:07
  I know there's a a other things that were going on council.
• 2:05:14
  All right, good luck to you, Sir.
• 2:05:19
  Yes, all right. And.
• 2:05:21
  He'll be over there and they give victim in touch all.
• 2:05:24
  Right friends, our final half hour of TCF live.
• 2:05:27
  Good to have you all here some. New friends this morning.
• 2:05:29
  Welcome to our new friends. Let's head a little bit E We'll
• 2:05:33
  change it up a bit, going to Louisiana, see what's going on
• 2:05:37
  with the parole board today. Name is Steve Prater.
• 2:05:40
  To my right is Danny Barra. To my left is Chuck Tillis.
• 2:05:43
  We're going to be handling all of the Committee on Parole cases
• 2:05:47
  today from the headquarters in Baton Rouge, DLC headquarters,
• 2:05:51
  which is where we're located right now where the Committee on
• 2:05:54
  Parole and in in the room with us is some staff members that
• 2:05:58
  will be assisted with with today's work and they are sure
• 2:06:05
  OK and thank you ladies for your work we.
• 2:06:07
  Appreciate that. 1st place we're going.
• 2:06:09
  To is Assumption Parish Detention Center to talk about a
• 2:06:13
  revocation with Mr. Henri Batiste, if I'm saying that
• 2:06:19
  correctly. Are you Mr. Batiste?
• 2:06:21
  OK, Would you speak up? You are Mr. Batiste.
• 2:06:25
  Let's go. OK.
• 2:06:26
  Thank you. And what is your DLC number,
• 2:06:28
  Sir? 552855.
• 2:06:32
  OK. And with.
• 2:06:34
  The Assumption Parish. Detention center, we have staff
• 2:06:38
  in the room there. Would you introduce yourself?
• 2:06:40
  Deputy Deputy Darla Talbot? OK, Thank you for hosting us
• 2:06:44
  today. We appreciate.
• 2:06:45
  It and Mr. Batiste. We have also a zoom where your
• 2:06:51
  attorney is on the on the zoom with us.
• 2:06:57
  Mr. Attorney, would you introduce yourself please?
• 2:06:59
  Good morning. Good morning, gentlemen.
• 2:07:02
  My name is Stavros Pentagalopoulos.
• 2:07:03
  I'm an attorney here on. Behalf of Mr. Batiste.
• 2:07:06
  OK, Thank you. And Sir, are you retained or
• 2:07:08
  appointed? Retained, Your Honor.
• 2:07:11
  OK. All right.
• 2:07:12
  Thank you, Sir, and all right. So we appreciate.
• 2:07:16
  That Well, we'll go ahead and get started.
• 2:07:17
  Mr. Batiste. When you have a when you get out
• 2:07:22
  of jail, you sign these conditions of parole that you
• 2:07:26
  agree to. And when you violate or are
• 2:07:28
  suspected of violating some of those conditions of parole, then
• 2:07:32
  you come back before either your parole officer or said the board
• 2:07:36
  if it's serious. Enough.
• 2:07:37
  In your case was deemed serious enough to where the, the
• 2:07:41
  probation parole officer wanted you us to hear your case.
• 2:07:45
  And you're accused of violating just one condition.
• 2:07:49
  Condition #4 which says that you'll stay away from criminal
• 2:07:53
  activity and drugs and all of that sort of thing.
• 2:07:56
  And, and you're accused of having violated that.
• 2:08:00
  Your condition #4 stems from the fact that you were arrested on
• 2:08:06
  January the 6th of 2025 and for distribution, excuse me,
• 2:08:12
  obstruction of justice, possession of marijuana, and
• 2:08:15
  possession of CDs. You have a chance right now to
• 2:08:21
  you could need to plead guilty to that.
• 2:08:23
  You can plead innocent to that. And you have a chance to give us
• 2:08:27
  a statement. So how would you like to plead?
• 2:08:29
  And Mr. Attorney, feel free to to chime in here anytime you'd
• 2:08:33
  like to, Sir. I'd like to plead not guilty on
• 2:08:38
  it, Sir. Just do the fact of the matter
• 2:08:41
  all the charges I don't even have all the charges in the
• 2:08:44
  courthouse anymore right now as you speak in that also today,
• 2:08:49
  but also due to the fact of the matter that I also would like it
• 2:08:54
  to go on y'all on on body Cam, so y'all can see that it was
• 2:08:59
  it's that it's any proof that anything came out my mouth nor
• 2:09:04
  anything wasn't found on me nor in a vehicle that I was driving
• 2:09:08
  at that time. So, OK, so specifically.
• 2:09:14
  If I might address points. Both the technical points 1st
• 2:09:18
  and then separate separate with regards to the factual argument
• 2:09:21
  with regards to with regards to the technical technical alleged
• 2:09:24
  violations for failure. To.
• 2:09:26
  Immediately enroll, enroll and cooperate with parole upon upon
• 2:09:29
  his initial release. Mr. Mr. Batiste is a young man,
• 2:09:33
  a young man. Did not follow the.
• 2:09:36
  Paperwork properly but had no intention of failure to comply.
• 2:09:39
  Understanding that there is still a failure to comply As a
• 2:09:42
  result that that we would suggest that a technical
• 2:09:46
  violation of 15 or 30 days would be appropriate rather than a
• 2:09:50
  full revocation given the fact that he had no other violation
• 2:09:54
  of violations with the exception of the alleged arrest that is
• 2:09:57
  still pending in Assumption Parish, which has not been pled
• 2:09:59
  guilty to. When Mr. Batiste is fighting for
• 2:10:02
  because reasons as provided in the police report and in the
• 2:10:05
  evidence, we're talking about an allegation of him allegedly
• 2:10:09
  possessing 1.55g of alleged of alleged narcotics, narcotics
• 2:10:13
  material, it's 1.55g. So an amount.
• 2:10:18
  An amount alleged. Alleged.
• 2:10:20
  Almost nothing. A trace.
• 2:10:22
  Amount, a trace amount that arguably could as we have argued
• 2:10:28
  is a question whether or not it's detected.
• 2:10:31
  It's actually a detected amount in the items that are possessed
• 2:10:33
  by Mr. Batiste versus it being a something that might have been a
• 2:10:38
  contaminant in the testing machinery given the the
• 2:10:42
  extremely small amount under the circumstances.
• 2:10:45
  Beyond that, the fact that there is a question regarding proper a
• 2:10:49
  proper procedure and probable cause with the course of the
• 2:10:52
  pending case and Assumption parish.
• 2:10:55
  If we would believe that there's not sufficient probable cause
• 2:10:58
  for purposes of putting forward for a violation.
• 2:11:01
  If the if the board is so inclined, then we would suggest
• 2:11:05
  suggest tabling, tabling matter and allowing it to be revisited
• 2:11:10
  once it has been dealt with in court because then that would
• 2:11:12
  address the issue one way or the other.
• 2:11:14
  OK, and you I assume I'm sure you understand this, but.
• 2:11:19
  We deal with the preponderance of evidence absolutely and not
• 2:11:24
  the probable cause, so I. Take the heart.
• 2:11:27
  Everything that you said, and it does matter what you said, but I
• 2:11:31
  just wanted to make sure you understood that that we don't
• 2:11:33
  have to necessarily wait on crime labs and things like that
• 2:11:37
  to get the problem 'cause if we feel in our hearts that that
• 2:11:40
  there's a preponderance. Mr. Batiste, I'm concerned that
• 2:11:46
  you're on parole for racketeering and distribution of
• 2:11:50
  cocaine and you're a third class offender and you're hanging
• 2:11:54
  around a car wash. And now I can say that.
• 2:12:00
  Listen to me, I can say that because I know what goes.
• 2:12:03
  On at at. Some car washes, I'm not saying
• 2:12:06
  this one and I'm not saying that was going on, but I know car
• 2:12:09
  washes quite often are a distribution point for illegal
• 2:12:13
  narcotics, So it doesn't look good.
• 2:12:15
  If I was a third class offender and I was on parole for
• 2:12:20
  racketeering and distribution of cocaine, you couldn't get me
• 2:12:24
  near a car wash. Yeah, So you can go ahead.
• 2:12:28
  That was just fatherly advice, OK?
• 2:12:30
  But you can respond. So where I was at, I'm not even
• 2:12:35
  from that that part. Of town and I was coming from
• 2:12:38
  somewhere getting my car cleaned and I was washing my car just to
• 2:12:42
  have that a detective had no. Swinging on.
• 2:12:45
  Him and I'm searching other people around in the area and
• 2:12:49
  while they were getting searched down while I was getting done
• 2:12:51
  cleaning my vehicle, I ended up leaving from that from the area
• 2:12:57
  but I was pulled over on side of the road like 5 minutes later
• 2:13:01
  due to what happened. Well, the police report also
• 2:13:04
  said that it was dead, but it said that it was a traffic
• 2:13:08
  violation when I wasn't even charged with any traffic on
• 2:13:11
  tickets at all also. So like.
• 2:13:15
  I'm I'm just. Saying I just hope you all go
• 2:13:17
  off of facts for evidence instead of what he say.
• 2:13:21
  He say whatever what the case scenario is and just go off of
• 2:13:25
  the camera footage instead of going off of going off of that
• 2:13:30
  because it said two different things.
• 2:13:32
  It said that marijuana was smell coming out my vehicle around my
• 2:13:38
  vehicle with the whole time that if that would have been the
• 2:13:40
  keys, everybody at the car wash would have never got shot down.
• 2:13:45
  It just would have been me from the jump.
• 2:13:48
  They wouldn't have to take me for the pull off and me get get
• 2:13:51
  pulled on side the road 5 minutes later on the highway.
• 2:13:55
  No, it wouldn't say that it was a traffic violation as well.
• 2:13:59
  You know, so I'm just hoping that y'all go off for facts for
• 2:14:03
  evidence and the body camera on the body footage camera instead
• 2:14:07
  of just you know, yes Sir, I understand it.
• 2:14:10
  That's that's a reasonable thing to say.
• 2:14:14
  That's a. Reasonable thing to say.
• 2:14:15
  And you've been on parole since December of 2019, correct?
• 2:14:20
  Yes, Sir. And I never been in trouble ever
• 2:14:22
  since then. I was working.
• 2:14:23
  I asked you. About to be getting off of
• 2:14:25
  parole due to good, good behaviors.
• 2:14:28
  I just was about to be getting old and dad ended up having me
• 2:14:32
  going to that car wash and that accident didn't help now didn't
• 2:14:36
  you? You said you didn't hadn't been
• 2:14:38
  in trouble. Didn't you get into a little?
• 2:14:40
  Snafu back in 2023 Yeah that was on but but all the trouble was
• 2:14:46
  dropped due to the fact. Of the matter that see I was
• 2:14:48
  going in and out of the home, the site wall and at the house
• 2:14:56
  and I was showing the police also what had happened and Bobby
• 2:14:59
  showing the police what happened.
• 2:15:01
  They were he he had arrested me saying that in other words, he
• 2:15:05
  was saying I wasn't supposed to touch him at all.
• 2:15:08
  In other words, that was that was a misunderstanding.
• 2:15:12
  But you ended up serving some. Time for it, didn't you?
• 2:15:14
  No, I, I, I was. I I ended up being locked up for
• 2:15:18
  it like little. Over half a year and I and I was
• 2:15:21
  released it because they went over who actually had happened
• 2:15:25
  with that. OK, Well, I just wanted to I
• 2:15:28
  just didn't want you to buy to think that we.
• 2:15:31
  Buy into the fact. That you hadn't been in.
• 2:15:32
  Trouble since 2019. Oh yeah, one time.
• 2:15:38
  And So what was the traffic violation that you were stopped
• 2:15:44
  for? I didn't had they didn't they
• 2:15:46
  said it was a traffic violation, but I didn't never had received
• 2:15:49
  any. Traffic on charges, but they
• 2:15:52
  said, did he tell you what? Why we're stopping you?
• 2:15:56
  No, Sir. OK.
• 2:15:58
  All right. OK.
• 2:15:59
  Mr. Morrow, would you have any questions?
• 2:16:03
  OK, continue. OK.
• 2:16:05
  That's what Mr. Morrow is right is OK, You made the motion.
• 2:16:10
  So that's what he right. Then you got a motion to
• 2:16:13
  continue. A second.
• 2:16:15
  OK. You got a motion and a second to
• 2:16:17
  continue and and that's what it takes, 2 votes to continue.
• 2:16:22
  Mr. Attorney, do you have anything to say or would that
• 2:16:24
  satisfy you that that satisfies us, Your Honor?
• 2:16:29
  OK. All right.
• 2:16:31
  All right, well. My vote then is to concur with
• 2:16:35
  that. So we have three people that
• 2:16:37
  have voted today. And.
• 2:16:39
  We have voted to continue your case until the outcome of the
• 2:16:43
  charges and I want. To I want to causing you.
• 2:16:48
  Again, don't be around a bunch of people like that.
• 2:16:51
  You on parole and you're looking at some bunch of time and maybe
• 2:16:55
  your attorney can reinforce what I'm saying to you if he chooses
• 2:16:59
  to. But you got to avoid the the
• 2:17:03
  preponderance or or you got to avoid the any, any kind of
• 2:17:08
  impropriety, OK, even the appearance of impropriety.
• 2:17:12
  So anyway, by a vote of three, you have continued, we have
• 2:17:17
  continued this revocation here and the time is 8:53 in the
• 2:17:19
  morning. End of hearing.
• 2:17:23
  All righty friends, good morning once again.
• 2:17:25
  We got about 15 or so minutes to.
• 2:17:27
  Go here on TCF Live. We're going to go to Judge
• 2:17:31
  O'donnell's court in just a moment for Women of Lake County
• 2:17:35
  Behaving badly, Part 3. But before we did, I wanted to
• 2:17:39
  remind those of you who have been around, plus alert our new
• 2:17:43
  friends for In the Blind with Mike and Dan tonight, 7:00 PM
• 2:17:46
  Eastern, 4:00 PM Pacific. That is a separate channel.
• 2:17:50
  If you stick around at the end of the stream, YouTube will send
• 2:17:53
  you over there and undoubtedly Barbara will put a link in the
• 2:17:55
  chat as well. But that is completely different
• 2:17:58
  from what we do here. It's not courtroom related
• 2:18:01
  necessarily, though sometimes we talk legal stuff.
• 2:18:04
  But the shtick is that me and Michael Groff, who is a
• 2:18:08
  contributor to this channel as well as a great YouTube on his
• 2:18:12
  own, he and I have no idea what we're going to talk about until
• 2:18:16
  the show starts and the topics are presented to us.
• 2:18:19
  That is one of the reasons why we call it in the blind.
• 2:18:22
  It's a lot of fun. Definitely stick around.
• 2:18:25
  After the two topics that we cover, we do a true false round,
• 2:18:27
  which is hilarious and you always learn something.
• 2:18:30
  So do join us for that. Okie Dokie, let's go to Lake
• 2:18:36
  County and Judge O'Donnell. This will probably be enough to
• 2:18:40
  finish off our day, but we shall see.
• 2:18:44
  Seated. 25722. Star Wilson violation Community
• 2:18:52
  control final hearing. Violation April 8.
• 2:18:54
  Negatively discharged from jail treatment program.
• 2:18:58
  You understand that charge? Yes, Sir.
• 2:19:01
  What? Yes, Sir.
• 2:19:03
  Mr. Lane Mack. Thank you, Honor.
• 2:19:06
  Is our intention to waive? The final hearing and.
• 2:19:09
  You'll be. Guilty to the violation?
• 2:19:12
  Is that what you want to do? Yes, Sir.
• 2:19:14
  What's your plea of the violation?
• 2:19:16
  Yes, Sir. Guilty.
• 2:19:17
  I'll. Accept your guilty.
• 2:19:19
  Plea and find your guilty. What's the problem?
• 2:19:21
  I don't even. Know where to begin?
• 2:19:24
  Start at the beginning. So they put a keep.
• 2:19:29
  Separate of mine that. Was in the jail and JTP.
• 2:19:32
  With me when the JTP person miss Lauren.
• 2:19:37
  Asked me if. It was OK to put her in the pod
• 2:19:39
  with me. I told her I was like look this
• 2:19:41
  girl really doesn't like me. Like she harassed me in one of
• 2:19:44
  the pods. I was like this is not going to
• 2:19:46
  go well. I had a feeling and I told her
• 2:19:48
  it wasn't going to go well. She put her in the pod with me
• 2:19:51
  anyways and within two days of being in the pod with me, she
• 2:19:56
  didn't get to go to church. For some reason she felt like
• 2:19:59
  that was my fault because she had to keep separate with
• 2:20:01
  somebody else and I'm the only other keep separate she had that
• 2:20:04
  she thought she knew of. Whatever she found out that I
• 2:20:09
  knew who her keeps effort was and started going off on me and.
• 2:20:12
  Calling me a. Bunch of names.
• 2:20:14
  Well she did this in front of the Cos and the CEO told me hey
• 2:20:17
  like when I leave the pod if this happens just lock it down,
• 2:20:20
  tell the tower. OK so he leaves the pod.
• 2:20:24
  I'm in a conversation with one of the other JTP ladies that's
• 2:20:27
  in the pod with me and we're talking and then this girl
• 2:20:30
  starts jumping in. She's like you fat ass bitch you
• 2:20:33
  this you broke bitch starts dogging me and like calling me
• 2:20:36
  all sorts of out of my name. So I get up.
• 2:20:40
  I was like excuse me, went to my cell, I locked down.
• 2:20:43
  I called the tower was like hey this is happening and that's
• 2:20:47
  what Co Taylor told me to do. I did that.
• 2:20:50
  They kicked us both out of JTP but I guess didn't kick her out
• 2:20:53
  of JTP till two weeks later after I complained about it
• 2:20:56
  three times. Because in the amendment paper
• 2:20:59
  that you signed to amend your keep separates or whatever for
• 2:21:01
  JTP, it says that both parties are supposed to be kicked out.
• 2:21:05
  They only kicked me out. And she specifically said I know
• 2:21:08
  that you've already got 2 strikes starting JTP.
• 2:21:10
  Like you're not about to be in this fucking pod with me.
• 2:21:12
  Dah dah dah dah dah started going off and that's how she
• 2:21:14
  started going off on me. So I tried to kite the man
• 2:21:19
  that's over JTP, Mr. Jamie, and tell him like, hey, like this
• 2:21:22
  girl knew that I was already in trouble starting JTP and
• 2:21:26
  purposely tried to get me kicked out.
• 2:21:28
  Like I didn't engage with her. Like why am I being kicked out?
• 2:21:31
  And yeah, I just, I let it go after that because nobody wanted
• 2:21:35
  to talk to me about it. So now.
• 2:21:37
  What? I was hoping you'd let me go to.
• 2:21:40
  Treatment or take care of. My stuff in Cuyahoga.
• 2:21:42
  County to see if we can't get them.
• 2:21:44
  On board with what we're doing in Lake County because I've been
• 2:21:47
  in here 140 something days now, Sir, and my mental health is
• 2:21:54
  decreasing so bad. You can't get therapy in jail,
• 2:22:00
  don't get no counseling. My temper is getting worse.
• 2:22:04
  And I'm literally. Barely holding my soul together.
• 2:22:06
  It's taking everything for me not to spaz out.
• 2:22:09
  I'm not used to being around females the norm.
• 2:22:11
  I used to being around this many people on a daily basis.
• 2:22:16
  Why? Why is it that you got so many
• 2:22:19
  leading up? To your sentencing.
• 2:22:20
  Date of March 12th. So many infractions in the jail.
• 2:22:25
  I don't know, honestly, I feel like it's being more towards,
• 2:22:28
  like I said, you can't. Get therapy in jail and I don't
• 2:22:31
  like being around people like that because I'm just not a
• 2:22:34
  people person. I don't get along with people.
• 2:22:36
  I stay to myself, especially when I'm outside of jail.
• 2:22:38
  I don't I do not run in crowds. I feel like it's easier to be
• 2:22:45
  locked down so. I I don't know.
• 2:22:48
  I feel like that's one of my reasons that I get locked out so
• 2:22:51
  much. It's easier to be in my cell and
• 2:22:53
  away from people than to be around people.
• 2:22:55
  And what's the purpose of the jail treatment program?
• 2:22:58
  To get treatment. But it's not counseling, Sir.
• 2:23:03
  You don't talk to somebody. One-on-one you're doing.
• 2:23:05
  Packets all day, every day. And talking.
• 2:23:08
  In a group, it's not like you can talk one-on-one with
• 2:23:11
  somebody and actually get counseling.
• 2:23:12
  It's it's there's just a big difference.
• 2:23:15
  It's not helping me. Is the Cuyahoga warrant for not?
• 2:23:26
  Being at the arraignment, Dave, do you know?
• 2:23:29
  Yes. Sir, I didn't.
• 2:23:29
  Have a ride out there. Where do you live currently in
• 2:23:33
  East? Cleveland, I didn't move out
• 2:23:35
  there till. Like a week before getting
• 2:23:36
  arrested. Though.
• 2:23:37
  They got me in Ashtabula trying to move my stuff back out to
• 2:23:40
  East Cleveland. Why?
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  Why did you move to East Cleveland?
• 2:23:43
  To get away from Ashtabula well. I know everybody in Ashtabula.
• 2:23:47
  And that's just not a place for me to be.
• 2:23:49
  If I had the. Money.
• 2:23:50
  I would have went back home and moved out of state, but that
• 2:23:53
  wasn't really a choice. Plus I had the warrants and
• 2:23:56
  eventually I planned on turning myself in.
• 2:23:57
  I was just too scared to do it and it caught up with me.
• 2:24:01
  Well, you think that East Cleveland is better?
• 2:24:05
  Than Ashtabula. No.
• 2:24:07
  But at the same time, I don't know anybody out in East
• 2:24:09
  Cleveland like that. I know my.
• 2:24:11
  Boss, they'll find you. Right quick.
• 2:24:14
  You'll find them right quick. All you gotta do is step.
• 2:24:16
  Outside on Euclid Ave. I understand that.
• 2:24:19
  My thing is is I guess I got involved in.
• 2:24:23
  Ashtabula due to my family being who it is and just hanging out
• 2:24:28
  with the people that they were hanging out with, and it wasn't
• 2:24:30
  what I thought it was. I moved up here to Ohio to be
• 2:24:33
  around what was left of my family.
• 2:24:35
  Because I grew up in foster care, I didn't have nobody.
• 2:24:38
  So when I turned 18, they just kind of put me on the street.
• 2:24:43
  It was like, here you go, didn't know where to go, didn't know
• 2:24:47
  where my family was. I found out that my father had
• 2:24:51
  passed away and my older brother wanted nothing to do with me.
• 2:24:54
  So. I had an aunt and a cousin out
• 2:24:56
  in Ashtabula. I bought a bus ticket, moved out
• 2:24:59
  to Ashtabula, and that was from Arkansas.
• 2:25:03
  So when I got to Ashtabula, I did not know this part of my
• 2:25:06
  family. I hadn't seen them since my
• 2:25:08
  mother's funeral back in 2012. So it's not family that was
• 2:25:11
  like, you know, around for the most part.
• 2:25:13
  It's people I've seen like, maybe once every 6-7 years I get
• 2:25:18
  up here. And my cousin and aunt, who I
• 2:25:21
  thought were like, good people are definitely not OK.
• 2:25:24
  They're spun out on a bunch of different shit.
• 2:25:27
  And I got involved in it. I've lived this way my whole
• 2:25:30
  life and I didn't know anything different.
• 2:25:32
  I've never really had this issue and it's definitely becoming a
• 2:25:36
  big issue and I'm learning from that, but I don't want to spend
• 2:25:40
  my life in jail. I really did plan on turning
• 2:25:43
  myself in, but this is my first offense.
• 2:25:45
  I've never been to jail like this.
• 2:25:46
  They they have a holder on her. You are they actually.
• 2:25:51
  Going to come get her when she's available.
• 2:25:54
  I'm. Assuming since.
• 2:25:55
  It's a felony. They'll come get her.
• 2:25:57
  So the other three girls. That were in here from.
• 2:25:59
  Cuyhoga, they got picked up within 70. 2.
• 2:26:02
  Hours. All right, I'm going to keep you
• 2:26:03
  on community control and. I'm going to sentence you to
• 2:26:10
  100. And 40A. 140 days in.
• 2:26:12
  Jail with credit for 132. Now, Dave, the make sure that
• 2:26:17
  the SO contacts Cuyahoga, they can they can pick her up
• 2:26:22
  immediately. You're going to go take care of
• 2:26:24
  this in Cuyahoga, and then you're going to come back here
• 2:26:26
  and we're going to figure out the rest of your terms of
• 2:26:29
  community control. Yes, Sir.
• 2:26:31
  So once you come back in here, then we'll figure out what
• 2:26:35
  exactly it is you're going to do to address the problems that you
• 2:26:38
  have. We secured a bed at New Day.
• 2:26:42
  Well, you can't do anything. You couldn't do anything.
• 2:26:44
  Before with with regard to why haven.
• 2:26:46
  Or Nora, because of this warrant, right?
• 2:26:51
  So let's get that taken care of. Come back.
• 2:26:53
  Here and then. Figure out what we're.
• 2:26:55
  Going to do so if, if Dave, if there's some sort of problem
• 2:26:59
  with that, then let me know right away because I'm certainly
• 2:27:02
  not going to let you walk out the door in eight more days.
• 2:27:04
  That's understandable. Anything else?
• 2:27:07
  Anything else, Your Honor? All right, Dave, just let me
• 2:27:13
  know. Whatever happens with your, I
• 2:27:14
  will. I'll make some phone calls when
• 2:27:16
  I get back to you, all right? Alrighty friends, that will do
• 2:27:22
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