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Anne Speckhard: ISIS Recruits Nonstop on Social Media (Audio) · Bloomberg Intelligence

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  Speaker 1: Forty nine people are dead, fifty three are wounded in
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  Speaker 1: the worst mass shooting in American history and earlier today,
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  Speaker 1: the head of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, Mr James Comington.
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  Speaker 1: He described more information about the terrorists involved in this
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  Speaker 1: Omar Martin. He said that Mr Matteen first claimed family
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  Speaker 1: connections to al Qaeda, which, like the Islamic State, is
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  Speaker 1: a Sunni Muslim terrorist group. He also said that he
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  Speaker 1: was a member of Hezbollah, a Shiite group in conflict
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  Speaker 1: with al Qaeda and Islamic State. Here to tell us
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  Speaker 1: more about terrorists and terrorism is Dr Anne Speccard, a
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  Speaker 1: just adjunct Associate Professor of Psychiatry Georgetown University School of Medicine,
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  Speaker 1: also the author of books such as Talking to Terrorists,
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  Speaker 1: co author of the book undercoveragei Haati and her late
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  Speaker 1: book Bride of Isis. Dr Speckhart, thank you very much
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  Speaker 1: for joining us. You're welcome, glad to be on. I
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  Speaker 1: admit that I wish this was under other circumstances. But
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  Speaker 1: having said that, I'm wondering if you could tell us
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  Speaker 1: a little bit about what you've learned from interviewing nearly
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  Speaker 1: five dred terrorists and their family members in various parts
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  Speaker 1: of the world, and what that has taught you about today. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: this weekend, I beg your pardon this weekend's tragic events. Well,
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  Speaker 1: what I can tell you is recently, our last almost
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  Speaker 1: forty interviews have been with ISIS padres themselves, so they've
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  Speaker 1: been with defectors. And what we're finding with the defectors
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  Speaker 1: is that when you get into ISIS, you have to
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  Speaker 1: be had a prisoner after you go through Sharia training.
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  Speaker 1: So anybody that comes back from ISIS probably has blood
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  Speaker 1: on their hands. And we also know all that ISIS
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  Speaker 1: is willing to use anybody, So even if you're extremely
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  Speaker 1: mentally disturbed, they don't care as long as you go
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  Speaker 1: out and kill in their name. They don't necessarily want
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  Speaker 1: you in a cell. But it's not like we have
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  Speaker 1: cells running in the US. Instead, we have internet recruitment.
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  Speaker 1: Of the thousand cases that have that are open with
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  Speaker 1: the FBI, and there's many more closed and Omar was
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  Speaker 1: one of them that was closed. Uh. Those people are
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  Speaker 1: recruited into ISIS through social media and they're told to
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  Speaker 1: go out and attack, especially right now during Ramadan. There
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  Speaker 1: was a call by add Nani to attack during Ramadan
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  Speaker 1: and attack in any way possible. So if you're mentally ill,
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  Speaker 1: they don't care. All they care is did you kill
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  Speaker 1: people in their names? Well, I guess I have to
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  Speaker 1: bring in someone that I don't think should be forgotten
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  Speaker 1: in the wake of this mass shooting. And that was
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  Speaker 1: the shooting death of Christina Grimy, a twenty two old
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  Speaker 1: singer who came in number three you on the sixth
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  Speaker 1: season of The Voice. That occurred Friday night. Uh, and
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  Speaker 1: her killer had two handguns, two additional loaded magazines, a
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  Speaker 1: large honey knife. She came up to up to after
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  Speaker 1: a conference she was signing autographs for fans and shot
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  Speaker 1: her dead. How different are these two men? Is one?
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  Speaker 1: Are they both mentally disturbed? Is the fact that one
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  Speaker 1: was at least identifying with isis make them that different? Uh? Well,
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  Speaker 1: the Christina Grammy thing is horrifying. My oldest daughter is
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  Speaker 1: a professional singer, so there's a crapot of me. But
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  Speaker 1: you know, probably both of them had a bit of
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  Speaker 1: narcissism that they wanted to be known for killing someone
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  Speaker 1: famous or or become famous for killing for carrying out
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  Speaker 1: a slater. And we often see that with school shooters,
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  Speaker 1: with people that UH do things like this, that they're
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  Speaker 1: narcissistic and grandiose, and they don't care if they died
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  Speaker 1: doing it. You know, they're just they're really mentally ill.
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  Speaker 1: But the difference here is if they do it while
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  Speaker 1: pledging their buyout should terrorist groups, then it gets named
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  Speaker 1: a terrorism and it has a political element to it.
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  Speaker 1: So that's the difference. But probably in both cases. And
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  Speaker 1: I can't say I'm an expert on what happened with Christina.
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  Speaker 1: I heard about it from my daughter and was horrified.
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  Speaker 1: But I don't know aboutter killer, whether he was mentally
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  Speaker 1: I learned out a certain sounds like he was, Doctor Scheckard.
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  Speaker 1: The Florida Department of Corrections has revealed that before working
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  Speaker 1: for that private security firm g f S, that Omar
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  Speaker 1: Mattine worked briefly as a state prison guard. Also, the
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  Speaker 1: government of Saudi Arabia reported that Mr Mattina traveled to
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  Speaker 1: that country twice. Is there anything that we can learn
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  Speaker 1: from getting this information now that perhaps would have prevented
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  Speaker 1: such a horrific event? Not necessarily not from that information.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's normal for a Muslim during their lifetime
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  Speaker 1: to try to go in observe hajj, and that's just
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  Speaker 1: a religious duty and nothing wrong with that um. But
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  Speaker 1: on the other hand, when you go to Hajj, you're
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  Speaker 1: put in in Nacca with hundreds of thousands of people
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  Speaker 1: from all around the world, so you might get h
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  Speaker 1: exposed to terrorists and people to believe things that you
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  Speaker 1: didn't necessarily know about or know how to connect with.
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  Speaker 1: But the truth is now with isis all you need
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  Speaker 1: is a telephonia or a computer and you can connect
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  Speaker 1: with them. And they are recruiting NonStop over social media
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  Speaker 1: and trying to make this with our machetes and their
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  Speaker 1: videos look like some uh glory thing that will make
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  Speaker 1: you into a man, that will make you into a
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  Speaker 1: very good world lum, that they're somehow creating a utopian caliphate.
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  Speaker 1: And what they argue if you ask them about the
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  Speaker 1: blood that shed, they'll say, well, this is a revolution.
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  Speaker 1: Whenever you make a revolution, you shed blood, but you
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  Speaker 1: ultimately get to justice. And you know, think, if you're
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  Speaker 1: naive or mentally disturbed, you may believe that. If you're
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  Speaker 1: more balanced, you know, that's a pack a lot, But
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  Speaker 1: going to Saudi isn't necessarily indicator of anything. Dr and Speckar,
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  Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us at Gentle Associate
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  Speaker 1: Professor of Psychiatry, Georgetown University. She has interviewed more than
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  Speaker 1: five hundred jihadis and terrorists. We want our hearts again
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