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Deconstructing Universes · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 1: I'm your author, Kodo, and you're listening to Movie Meltdown.
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  Speaker 2: Powered nuclear reactor pumping out one million kilowatts of power.
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  Speaker 1: To provide more cooling in the containment chambers.
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  Speaker 5: To your sentinels, we have a movie meltdown.
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  Speaker 6: In the beginning, the universe was created. This made a
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  Speaker 6: lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded
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  Speaker 6: as a bad mood.
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  Speaker 7: What's up and welcome to Movie Meltdown. I'm Brian and
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  Speaker 7: with me is.
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  Speaker 1: Dave.
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  Speaker 7: Ben. Ben.
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  Speaker 8: And I would say special guest, but reluctant as you
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  Speaker 8: might be, you're adopted.
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  Speaker 9: It's Eric Chu.
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  Speaker 2: Hi.
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  Speaker 10: He's a specialist.
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  Speaker 2: Adopted? Did you adopt me?
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  Speaker 9: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 8: I don't think you like it, but you've been adopted
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  Speaker 8: as an official member of the cast, whether you like
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  Speaker 8: it or not.
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  Speaker 2: I hate you already.
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  Speaker 9: That's the father figure. You're not my real dad.
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  Speaker 1: I actually have noticed, Eric, you two tend to be
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  Speaker 1: on a lot of these shows when you come into town.
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  Speaker 1: How did this bromance start between you two?
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  Speaker 9: I told him you didn't have sense enough to run away.
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  Speaker 8: We started talking about art, and then we talked a
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  Speaker 8: lot about puppets. So every once in a while, I
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  Speaker 8: like to branch out. That's why I thought this was
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  Speaker 8: a good option to talk about something kind of else.
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  Speaker 1: What sort of puppets? Like the Charlie McCarthy or the
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  Speaker 1: Jim Henson?
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  Speaker 2: The real doll ones.
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  Speaker 9: Thunderbirds, Argo. And we're coming to you live via digital
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  Speaker 9: recording from Wonderfest. Thunderbirds, Argo. Meltdown Argo as well.
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  Speaker 1: They're not very real, just letting you know.
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  Speaker 9: Not even close. Entering back in. Assuming you may have
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  Speaker 9: to escape at some point, Eric. How's it been for
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  Speaker 9: you since last we spoke?
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  Speaker 2: It's been interesting. We've gotten Firestorm, for those of you
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  Speaker 2: who don't recall. We're working on Firestorm, which is a
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  Speaker 2: puppet show on in the same vein as Thunderbirds. I'm
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  Speaker 2: doing that with Jerry Anderson's son, Jamie. And right now,
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  Speaker 2: we have finished filming. It's in post-production. And we're just
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  Speaker 2: about ready to finish it up and release it to
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  Speaker 2: the public.
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  Speaker 9: As people not in the industry may know, this is
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  Speaker 9: a slow process.
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  Speaker 2: It is a slow process, especially if you don't have
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  Speaker 2: a lot of money.
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  Speaker 9: There's your problem.
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  Speaker 1: And puppets make demands like you would not believe.
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  Speaker 10: Their riders are amazing.
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  Speaker 2: Angry, angry puppets.
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  Speaker 1: Do they actually call them puppets or marionettes? Well, no.
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  Speaker 2: In this case, we're not using marionettes. Oh, really?
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 2: And that's why there has never been a Team America 2.
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  Speaker 2: Because puppets are very, very difficult to control. It has
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  Speaker 2: its own look, but especially if you're operating it from
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  Speaker 2: a gantry up at the top. Imagine you're trying to
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  Speaker 2: control something with a long string and trying to get
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  Speaker 2: fine movements out of them. It's nearly impossible.
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  Speaker 1: Do people who manipulate puppets like that, do they call
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  Speaker 1: themselves puppeteers or marionette?
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  Speaker 2: Puppeteers, I think is the general term.
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  Speaker 1: I think I always... I don't know why I had
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  Speaker 1: this idea that guys who do marionettes are offended if
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  Speaker 1: you call them puppets. Is that right, or am I
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  Speaker 1: thinking of something else?
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  Speaker 2: No, I think marionettes fall under the banner of puppets.
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  Speaker 1: You know, sort of like if you have an action
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  Speaker 1: figure and someone calls it a doll, people get really offended.
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  Speaker 1: It's not a doll, it's an action figure.
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  Speaker 9: He's got kung fu grip, he doesn't care.
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  Speaker 1: No, that's really neat, though.
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  Speaker 2: You don't talk... Don't call her a puppet.
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  Speaker 1: Don't call her a puppet.
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  Speaker 2: Just leave her out of it, okay?
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  Speaker 8: I paid a lot of money to have this ship
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  Speaker 8: from Japan, and it feels like real flesh, so shut up.
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  Speaker 1: All I'm saying is, the reason it's not a real
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  Speaker 1: doll is because of all the strings, man. There's only
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  Speaker 1: so many things you can do where there's strings everywhere,
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  Speaker 1: you know?
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  Speaker 10: The team animating her, that's it.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, that's awkward.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, some people like to be tight. We're getting
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  Speaker 8: off track.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want a first name basis for the guy
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  Speaker 1: who does the right ankle. I don't know them other guys.
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  Speaker 5: So.
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  Speaker 8: Other than that, I keep seeing photos. Your child's getting
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  Speaker 8: giant and terrorizing the whole city now, right?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Do you have a kid?
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  Speaker 5: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: Do you have a kid? He's almost, well, he's two,
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  Speaker 2: but he's almost three now.
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  Speaker 1: I have a 20-month-old.
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  Speaker 5: Oh.
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  Speaker 1: I used to have hair. It's all gone now, you know?
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  Speaker 8: That's why you guys haven't heard Ben much lately. He
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  Speaker 8: had a child, and it sucked up the rest of
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  Speaker 8: his life.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. It ruined my hips, let me tell you.
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  Speaker 9: So, any advice for this new father?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, actually.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, our kid was really easy.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, he picks up stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Is it a boy or a girl? It's a boy.
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  Speaker 1: It's a boy.
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  Speaker 2: And his latest thing is, even at two, he loves ghosts, robots,
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  Speaker 2: and monsters.
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  Speaker 9: He's definitely your child.
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  Speaker 2: Well, there you go.
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  Speaker 8: Wow.
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  Speaker 9: That stuff comes in really early.
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  Speaker 2: We didn't really push it on him. I mean, he just,
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  Speaker 2: you know, he just gravitated towards it.
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  Speaker 1: You know, our kid is more into puppets over cartoons. Like,
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  Speaker 1: she'll like Muppets.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 1: As opposed to, like, an animated show.
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  Speaker 8: But it is sort of in the DNA, I think,
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  Speaker 8: because watching, like, Dave, who runs this thing and has
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  Speaker 8: been on the show many times, watching his daughter, like,
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  Speaker 8: she just immediately gravitated towards Godzilla and old horror.
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  Speaker 2: Like, would like old horror, like.
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  Speaker 8: I believe I remember him saying she would take a
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  Speaker 8: color movie and turn the adjustment knobs back when they
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  Speaker 8: still had knobs so that it was black and white
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  Speaker 8: because she liked.
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  Speaker 1: The look of that.
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  Speaker 9: She was little then. She was like four or five.
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  Speaker 2: There's a tint button.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, I was like, that's definitely your child. And some
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  Speaker 9: of it is.
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  Speaker 8: I guess the nurture part of it, but I think
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  Speaker 8: they're still just ingrained in you.
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  Speaker 10: If you raised a kid in a box, it would
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  Speaker 10: still go.
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  Speaker 9: A box filled with toys and DVDs.
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  Speaker 10: Contrast and tint.
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  Speaker 9: That's how it goes.
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  Speaker 1: Just to step back, are you working with the puppets
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  Speaker 1: on this Thunderbirds project?
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing the designs. Essentially, it's the same basic premise
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  Speaker 2: as Thunderbirds. You have a team of Heroes, and they've
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  Speaker 2: all got their own super vehicles.
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  Speaker 1: Are they named after astronauts still?
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  Speaker 2: Not after astronauts.
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  Speaker 9: Renaissance painters?
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  Speaker 2: You mean the characters?
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  Speaker 1: Well, in Thunderbirds, they were all named after the original
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  Speaker 1: seven Mercury astronauts.
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  Speaker 2: No, in this case, I think there's only like three
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  Speaker 2: or four characters. No, they're not named. I mean, who
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  Speaker 2: else would you name them after now?
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  Speaker 1: Three or four characters? Let's see. Who is left on
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  Speaker 1: the Supreme Court?
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  Speaker 5: American astronauts?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, no, wait.
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  Speaker 9: We don't have a space program anymore. We just got
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  Speaker 9: guys like thumbing rides up there.
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  Speaker 1: Well, what I was getting to was I didn't know
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  Speaker 1: if you actually... manipulated manipulated the puppets no no no
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  Speaker 1: because i was wondering if you brought it home to
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  Speaker 1: your kid and you know.
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  Speaker 9: Don't touch that.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just i'm just wondering how far.
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  Speaker 8: Down your hands off of her kid you're just tormenting
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  Speaker 8: i'm gonna bring this home it looks like a toy.
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  Speaker 9: Don't touch you're not allowed to touch well.
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  Speaker 1: That's basically with like an iphone man i mean is this.
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  Speaker 8: Well, most kids have an iPhone now. I know you're too,
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  Speaker 8: but here's this million-dollar piece of hardware.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's true. Eric, tell your kid to hit up
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  Speaker 1: my kid on Facebook.
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  Speaker 9: Little geek kid conversation.
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  Speaker 1: I'm telling you, toddler, Tinder, it's scary, man.
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  Speaker 9: I told you to stay off of there.
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  Speaker 10: That is not for you.
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  Speaker 9: But my actual aim is, you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, Not that he likes robots, monsters, and ghosts. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I want to be able to start introducing him to
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  Speaker 2: all those 50s and 60s movies. I really don't want
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  Speaker 2: him to start on Star Wars or RoboCop. I mean, well,
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  Speaker 2: other than being inappropriate for a kid, they're too polished,
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  Speaker 2: I think.
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  Speaker 8: Sure, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And I think even though the early monster movies.
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  Speaker 2: The effects weren't that good, I think that it makes
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  Speaker 2: it less scary for them and it engages their imagination.
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  Speaker 2: They can fill in that gap. But if you make
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  Speaker 2: it too perfect for them, they don't need to do anything.
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  Speaker 1: I had never seen any of the classic universal monster movies.
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  Speaker 1: I'd never seen Frankenstein. I'd never seen Dracula. I knew
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  Speaker 1: all the cliches from them because our culture is basically
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  Speaker 1: built on cliches. A couple years ago, a The theater
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  Speaker 1: here was playing them. I was like, I've never seen them.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to go see them. And I was more
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  Speaker 1: impressed with those things than anything I'd seen lately. Monster, monster.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. When you say that the effects aren't
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  Speaker 1: as good, what do you mean?
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  Speaker 2: I think it's hit and miss.
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  Speaker 8: Universal was pretty high dollar for the time, but you
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  Speaker 8: get to those 60s low-budget ones and stuff gets really cheesy.
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  Speaker 8: So I think it's like You've got to pick and choose,
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  Speaker 8: I guess, depending on what you want to fix.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 8: But I think like you were saying with kids, I
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  Speaker 8: think it works. It's just such a good starter with
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  Speaker 8: those because it gives you all the creepy aspects that
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  Speaker 8: geeks like us latched onto as kids. If you're a
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  Speaker 8: horror kid, that stuff just kicks in right away.
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  Speaker 2: Well, when I was watching them as kids, and this
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  Speaker 2: holds the same truth to Thunderbirds, when I was watching
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  Speaker 2: them when I was young, I knew they were models.
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  Speaker 2: I knew they were guys in suits.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, really? Yeah, but... Like, even as really, really young,
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  Speaker 1: you were never fooled into thinking this is actually.
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  Speaker 2: Well, when I was really, really young, I thought... I
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  Speaker 2: think it was Captain Scarlet. I thought they were life-size.
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  Speaker 2: But I knew there weren't people.
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  Speaker 9: That would be cool, too.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be cool.
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  Speaker 2: But, no, I think having that just little bit of
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  Speaker 2: disconnect from reality made me able to... use my own
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  Speaker 2: imagination to bridge it and made it real for myself,
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  Speaker 2: but at a safe distance. If it's too real, then
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  Speaker 2: I think as a child you can't really... Disengage. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I think you're also doing maybe subconsciously
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  Speaker 1: is you're giving your kid, by having him watch this early,
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  Speaker 1: early stuff, you're giving him the foundation to appreciate the
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  Speaker 1: good stuff now and to know what is the... That's
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  Speaker 1: just absolute crap, Dad. It's like the building blocks. It's
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  Speaker 1: like Jesus did the rock to build his church. He's
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  Speaker 1: rocking his church kid over here.
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  Speaker 9: I don't know where I'm going with that.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know where that was.
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  Speaker 5: Amen.
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  Speaker 1: He isn't scared of any of this, is he?
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  Speaker 2: He wants me beside him.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 5: But.
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  Speaker 2: I asked him at one point, aren't you scared? I'm
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  Speaker 2: pointing to the TV screen. Aren't you scared of the ghost? No,
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  Speaker 2: that's TV. It's not real. At two years old, he
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  Speaker 2: already knows it's not real.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I feel like I've taken over your show.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I had a very valid. Well, to my mind,
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  Speaker 1: it was valid. I had a very concern, a poignant concern,
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  Speaker 1: I thought. When I was going to start showing my
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  Speaker 1: kid whenever she got older, I was going to show
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  Speaker 1: her movies like a Harry Potter movie. Some of the
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  Speaker 1: effects are so good, it looks real. And I was wondering,
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  Speaker 1: would she be confused over what is real and what
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  Speaker 1: is not real? Would she somehow get it into her
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  Speaker 1: head that magic actually happens and brooms fly?
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  Speaker 9: I think that's where the parenting comes in.
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  Speaker 7: Maybe.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a very bad parent. I'm trying to get this
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  Speaker 1: point across. Yeah.
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  Speaker 9: Send us some of these decisions online.
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  Speaker 1: We'll help you. Have you ever seen something where your
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  Speaker 1: kid didn't... Has he ever seen anything where the effects
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  Speaker 1: were so good that he couldn't tell that that isn't
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  Speaker 1: real and that is not how life works? Is that
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  Speaker 1: something to be worried about.
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  Speaker 11: I guess?
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  Speaker 2: I don't think he's seen anything like that yet.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we're building in stages. But.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if that's a real concern or not.
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  Speaker 1: It probably is, and I worry about the weirdest things.
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  Speaker 1: It's parenting. Other parents worry about drugs and bullies. I'm
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  Speaker 1: worrying about this crap, so I don't know.
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  Speaker 9: I like this geek parenting 101.
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  Speaker 2: No, I think it's a legitimate concern, and I would
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  Speaker 2: be a little bit concerned about showing him, let's say,
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  Speaker 2: The Exorcist.
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  Speaker 9: Most adults, I don't think, are prepared for The Exorcist.
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  Speaker 1: Like, the Amityville Horror was actually not real.
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  Speaker 9: That's arguable.
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  Speaker 1: No, they've They've proved it. There's a book.
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  Speaker 9: You can't argue with books.
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  Speaker 10: It was fake.
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  Speaker 1: But if I would have seen that as a kid,
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  Speaker 1: I'd be like, that crap's real.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't know. Two words.
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  Speaker 10: Looney Tunes.
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  Speaker 1: Looney Tunes.
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  Speaker 10: I was raised on Looney Tunes, and I came out
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  Speaker 10: just fine.
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  Speaker 1: But it's a cartoon. It didn't look photoreal.
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  Speaker 2: You also hit yourself with an anvil in the head.
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  Speaker 1: What I'm talking about is photorealism. It looks so good
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  Speaker 1: that how would someone who doesn't know that something isn't
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  Speaker 1: real know that it's not? What am I talking about?
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  Speaker 1: That's your job.
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  Speaker 9: I believe in Bigfoot.
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  Speaker 2: Don't listen to this. I think if you suddenly lay
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  Speaker 2: it on him, the exorcist, then you're setting yourself up
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  Speaker 2: for he's going to be upset and Mother does what
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  Speaker 2: in hell, then? But if you go in stages, and
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  Speaker 2: then he.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that is what you're doing. You're like introducing him
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  Speaker 1: to the very earliest stuff, and he's seeing all the
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  Speaker 1: creaky sheets on a wire ghost, so you're building him.
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  Speaker 2: Up to the Exorcist. And I think that's... Very good parenting, Eric.
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  Speaker 8: It eases them in, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, not only that, but I think it also prepares them.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, there's a lot of people that say, okay,
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  Speaker 2: video games promote violence and all that, but these are
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  Speaker 2: people that have trouble distancing themselves from the reality.
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  Speaker 9: I feel like those people would have problems anyway.
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  Speaker 8: It's not specifically the video game helped them, but I
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  Speaker 8: think you're going to be disturbed anyway if you have
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  Speaker 8: those tendencies.
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  Speaker 1: Could I accidentally program my kid to be that type
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  Speaker 1: of person?
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  Speaker 9: Manchurian candidate. That's what we're looking for.
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  Speaker 3: Yes!
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  Speaker 1: Manchurian parent.
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  Speaker 9: Angel Lansbury was hot.
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  Speaker 2: There are people that can watch violent movies, that can
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  Speaker 2: watch gory movies. And they're perfectly balanced.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Because they have that anchor.
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  Speaker 1: They had a good father.
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  Speaker 2: There we go.
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  Speaker 1: I'm worried I'm not. She swears to God that Elmo
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  Speaker 1: is real. She swears to God.
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  Speaker 9: She should be screaming and running from the room.
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  Speaker 1: She has no concept of what God is, but she
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  Speaker 1: the hell knows what the hell Elmo is.
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  Speaker 8: She needs to know what a better puppet is. His
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  Speaker 8: name's Grover, and he's awesome. Stay away from that Elmo.
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  Speaker 8: All right, now while we ponder the horrors of Ben's child,
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  Speaker 8: let's take our break and.
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  Speaker 9: We'll come back and get into the real topic.
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  Speaker 2: We'll be back.
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  Speaker 3: Kathy's world was complete and happy. She had a beautiful
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  Speaker 3: marriage and a beautiful new baby. Everything was perfect. But suddenly,
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  Speaker 3: something dark and sinister out of her past returned to
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  Speaker 3: haunt her, to threaten her very existence.
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  Speaker 1: Hello?
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  Speaker 2: Bye-bye, baby bunting.
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  Speaker 4: Daddy's gonna hunting.
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  Speaker 5: He's waiting for you, Kathy.
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  Speaker 10: All of life's riddles are answered in the movies.
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  Speaker 11: Whenever life gets you down, Mrs. Brown, and things seem
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  Speaker 11: hard or tough, and people are stupid, obnoxious or daft,
• 19:37
  Speaker 11: and you feel that you've had quite enough.
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  Speaker 7: Just remember that you're standing. on a planet that's evolving
• 19:52
  Speaker 7: and revolving at 900 miles an hour that's orbiting at
• 19:57
  Speaker 7: 19 miles a second so it's reckoned a sun that
• 20:01
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  Speaker 7: you and me and all the stars that we can
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  Speaker 7: see are moving at a million miles a day.
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  Speaker 6: In an outer spiral arm at 40,000 miles an hour
• 20:16
  Speaker 6: of the galaxy we call the Milky Way. our galaxy
• 20:28
  Speaker 6: itself contains a hundred billion stars it's a hundred thousand
• 20:33
  Speaker 6: light years side to side it bulges in the middle
• 20:37
  Speaker 6: 16 000 light years thick but out by us it's
• 20:40
  Speaker 6: just 3 000 light years wide we're 30 000 light
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  Speaker 6: years from galactic central point.
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  Speaker 11: We go round every 200 million years.
• 20:51
  Speaker 7: And our galaxy is only one of millions of billions
• 20:55
  Speaker 7: in this amazing and expanding universe.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: I haven't been able to podcast in over half a year.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: I'm built up. He's bleeding all over the mic.
• 21:06
  Speaker 9: I just talked to myself in the baby room. That's
• 21:08
  Speaker 9: all I do.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: No one wants to hear me talk ever. This is
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: like my only chance.
• 21:12
  Speaker 10: His mic's not on.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: It's okay.
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: All right.
• 21:16
  Speaker 9: So, if we're ready to get into the actual topic
• 21:19
  Speaker 9: of the.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: Week, Welcome back to two dads talking about their kids.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: Damn it.
• 21:23
  Speaker 9: I thought we just skanked.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: So, Eric, Phantom Menace or Star Wars? Which one are
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: you going to show them first?
• 21:28
  Speaker 9: Empire. Okay, now, moving on.
• 21:31
  Speaker 8: We can get to Star Wars. That was the whole
• 21:33
  Speaker 8: grand scheme here. It was sort of addressing the.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: A new hope.
• 21:40
  Speaker 9: The universe's... Machete order. Of sci-fi. We're in the middle
• 21:45
  Speaker 9: of a giant geeky convention here. We're loaded with sci-fi fans.
• 21:48
  Speaker 9: So we were like... There's so many different universes, and
• 21:52
  Speaker 9: we're going to cross over.
• 21:54
  Speaker 8: Again, I lean towards movies, but there's some TV franchises
• 21:57
  Speaker 8: going to be thrown in there.
• 21:58
  Speaker 9: So deal with it, people. It's an entertainment podcast. I
• 22:02
  Speaker 9: thought to kick it off because- The unspecial edition.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: Oh, I agree with that.
• 22:08
  Speaker 9: Because we have someone who- Not.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: That musical Return of the Jedi. No way.
• 22:13
  Speaker 10: Hand shot first.
• 22:15
  Speaker 8: Because we have someone who was brought into a sci-fi franchise,
• 22:18
  Speaker 8: I thought we would start with that. I mean, Eric,
• 22:21
  Speaker 8: you worked on Battlestar. We're kind of handed the blank slate, right?
• 22:26
  Speaker 9: The new one.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: Do I look that old?
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: I don't know. You could have been boxy double.
• 22:33
  Speaker 9: I don't know. So, again, you were kind of, I mean.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: You could have been the guy in that Daggett suit.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 22:41
  Speaker 8: At that point, nobody had pinned down the universe yet, right?
• 22:45
  Speaker 8: Or how much has been, how much was already pre-existing
• 22:49
  Speaker 8: when they gave you the green light and was like, okay,
• 22:51
  Speaker 8: design things?
• 22:52
  Speaker 9: Because you did.
• 22:54
  Speaker 8: The art design end of it, but how much of
• 22:56
  Speaker 8: the universe was already in play when you came into it?
• 22:59
  Speaker 8: I mean, it definitely has a different feel than the
• 23:01
  Speaker 8: original Battlestar. It's a different world than Star Wars, so
• 23:06
  Speaker 8: it's like when you came into the new Battlestar Galactica,
• 23:10
  Speaker 8: what exactly had they pinned down for you as far
• 23:12
  Speaker 8: as were you just sort of picking up where the old.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: One left off? I don't think things were... I mean,
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: by the time I got the script... I could tell
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: that the story had certain elements that were, that was
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: Battlestar Galactica. I don't, I think when I, after I
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: read it, I kind of went, okay, that's similar, but,
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: you know, it's not something that the fans would probably
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: see as a continuation. Now, A lot of the subject
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: matter addresses the same questions. But I think, and this
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: is true of a lot of reboots and remakes, that
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: sci-fi greenlit it solely based on the name. And we're
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: terribly concerned about... continuing the old show.
• 24:12
  Speaker 9: I mean that's true of most franchises.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: In fact it was advantageous for them to completely break
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: from their new show except for the title yeah uh
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: in that um they they would then uh not open
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: themselves up to any lawsuits.
• 24:28
  Speaker 8: Again the legal department runs a lot of the decision
• 24:32
  Speaker 8: making it.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: No but it was true i mean especially with the
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: designs i mean the The mandate I got when I
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: started was we don't want it to look like the
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: old show. Not at all.
• 24:43
  Speaker 9: Yeah, that shows it.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: That kind of went out the window by season three,
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: didn't it?
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: There's a... Well, no.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: Ryan, you were there.
• 24:57
  Speaker 7: I wasn't.
• 24:58
  Speaker 8: I get it.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: No, when I... Okay. Early in the process, sci-fi... was
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: the one that was running things. They were the ones
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: who gave us the green light or not.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: And this is back when it was sci-fi, not sci-fi, right?
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: Syphilis?
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: Yes, exactly.
• 25:15
  Speaker 9: That's what happened to it.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: Saturn.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: The Saturn logo.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: So, you know, they kept saying, you know, okay, design
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: us a Galactica, but we don't want it to look
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: like the old Galactica, so we kept giving them different styles,
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: different looks, and every time it had, you know, I
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: wanted to keep the two pods and the alligator shape.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: And they said, no, it's too close to the old one.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: And so finally it came to the point where I
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: think everybody was so frustrated that SyFy was saying, okay,
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: you know what? If we don't see anything we like,
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: we're just not going to green light the show at all.
• 25:56
  Speaker 10: No pressure.
• 25:57
  Speaker 9: No pressure at all.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: So we kept throwing them stuff that looked like completely opposites.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: of what you would expect a spaceship to look like.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: They kept saying we want something to look like Frank
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: Lloyd Wright or.
• 26:13
  Speaker 9: You know, all his spaceship designs.
• 26:16
  Speaker 10: We'll know when we see it.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, exactly. But nothing was ever nailed. I mean,
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: all we wanted to do was to at least produce
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: something where they would say, okay, that's heading in the
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: general direction. We kind of like that look. but we
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: were getting desperate and it came down to the last
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: weekend before sci-fi was just going to pack up and
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: take off so I went to the library and I
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: found a design book industrial design and flipping through I
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: found these a photograph of vases metal vases that had
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: that ribbed look and so I said okay I'll just
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: try it. So I scanned it into the computer, cut
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: it out in Photoshop, and just pasted a bunch of
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: them together so that from the side, it kind of
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: looked like a, you know that ship in Star Wars
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: where it's just kind of Bulbous is like a lot of.
• 27:21
  Speaker 9: Rebel blockade runners.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: No, no, no.
• 27:23
  Speaker 10: Mon Calamari.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: The troop transport from Empire.
• 27:27
  Speaker 9: Something like that.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: When they're escaping Hoth and two X-Wings.
• 27:33
  Speaker 10: It's the Mon Calamari.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: It was sort of that cigar shape with all the
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: ribs on it. And I said, it doesn't look like
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: the Galactica, but let's throw it in there. Maybe they'll
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: like it. They liked it.
• 27:46
  Speaker 7: And.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: When I heard that, I was like, oh my god,
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: we're in trouble now. I've got to draw a whole
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: bunch of dill pickles now. We've got this rib-looking pickle
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: that we're going to call a Galactica. Somebody in, I
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: think it might have been Gary Hutzel, who was the
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: effects supervisor, or it might have been the director, it
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: might even have been Ronald Moore, I don't know, but
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: they came up with a brilliant idea that okay, maybe
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: that shape is what it looks like from the side,
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: but if you look at it from the top, it's
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: the familiar alligator shape.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: So you didn't show sci-fi any of the top views, right?
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: Not until it was too late.
• 28:34
  Speaker 9: Shh, keep it under wraps.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: Was anyone mad?
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: I'm sure there was. I mean, as the story goes,
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: they went to make the model in CG, and they
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: got quite far along, and sci-fi came in to take
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: a look at the progress and they saw the Galactica
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: with all the ribs on it and they said, well,
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: that's not what we approved. And then they took the
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: 3D model and showed it from the side and they said, yes,
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: that's what you approved. And so at that point it
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: was too late to go back and so they went
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: ahead with it. And so having the Galactica look anything
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: different resembling the old galactica was basically a fluke it
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: was you know we we lucked out um if they
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: had caught us earlier on you wouldn't have had a
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: galactica that looked anything like the old galactica.
• 29:29
  Speaker 10: So it's easier to ask for uh forgiveness and permission
• 29:32
  Speaker 10: definitely in that world that's.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: So funny because.
• 29:36
  Speaker 10: And the starboard pod is a museum let's just.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: Because because like in the commentaries and the CD extras
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: and all that stuff, the way they spin it, they
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: being your... guys is that, oh yeah, we thought of
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: this from the beginning. It had to look like this.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: And it's got the ribs because it's holding in the
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: air pressure. It all made sense. But actually, you guys
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: sort of got the shape and then backward engineered all
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: your thinking of why.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: Does it look like this. Oh no, we had no idea.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: The reason why there's ribs is because It looked cool.
• 30:13
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: And sci-fi said yes.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: All right. I swear. And to Oprah, I've heard some
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: kind of commentary from Ron Moore or something where they
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: were saying, like, ships have ribs on the inside because
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: the ocean pressure is heavy. So they put the ribs
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: on the outside because the air pressure is heavy. is
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: heavier than the vacuum of space. It made sense to me.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: No, I came up with a bunch of ideas too.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: But all of these ideas came after the fact.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: Like you had to justify what was proved.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: I love that. My personal idea is A, having the
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: ribs like that in space, you don't have to worry
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: about aerodynamics. Number two, My theory is because it kept
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: getting hit by nukes, those ribs act as a heat sink.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: And so when you, you know, the energy dissipates across
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: all the ribs and it doesn't do quite as much damage.
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: Surface area.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: Surface area. But that's just a theory. It was never,
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: it's not official.
• 31:16
  Speaker 10: Don't try that at home, kids.
• 31:19
  Speaker 8: So that's how we get to the visual end of it,
• 31:20
  Speaker 8: I guess. Getting into the bigger topics, like how do
• 31:24
  Speaker 8: you think the Battlestar universe differs from like, a Star
• 31:28
  Speaker 8: Trek universe or a Star Wars universe. They all have
• 31:32
  Speaker 8: kind of their own little rules of how things work
• 31:35
  Speaker 8: or how, again, it's almost like from the writing standpoint
• 31:38
  Speaker 8: how they want to approach their delivery.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 31:41
  Speaker 9: Each one kind of has a different feel for it.
• 31:43
  Speaker 9: So how do you think Battlestar differs from the rest
• 31:46
  Speaker 9: of them?
• 31:46
  Speaker 10: Battlestar is so sparse. There's no life out there. The
• 31:49
  Speaker 10: only aliens on the show were us.
• 31:52
  Speaker 9: We are pretty creepy.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: Are you talking Battlestar before the apocalypse happened? Like the
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: society on the planet.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: You tell me.
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: No, well, I'm wondering.
• 32:01
  Speaker 9: All of the above.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: Because it's pretty much now, right?
• 32:05
  Speaker 9: We live in the apocalypse?
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: It's now just with, it's basically now if the Apollo
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: program had been allowed to go on and evolve. Get
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: us Apollo. Sorry. Yikes.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: It's the pre-apocalyptic future.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so. So it's basically like now with all of
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: now's problems and now's bureaucracy and now's bullshit.
• 32:29
  Speaker 8: But how does it, because I feel like bureaucracy is
• 32:31
  Speaker 8: what you get in the Star Trek universe. So do
• 32:34
  Speaker 8: you feel it's massively different than Star Trek? Or which
• 32:37
  Speaker 8: interpretation of Star Trek?
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: It's insanely different than Star Trek. Especially Next Generation. Are
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: you a fan of Next Generation?
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: Not really, no.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: Really, why?
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: I don't know, the bridge looks like a living room
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: to me. Right.
• 32:49
  Speaker 8: It's got that nice recliner in the middle and got
• 32:52
  Speaker 8: the big screen come on grain it's.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: Got wood grain it's a study in beige isn't it
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: but but that's why like it's.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: Like home gardens design it like star.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: Trek the next generation is like a socialist wet dream
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: it's it's like there is no sexism everyone is completely
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: equal to the point of being bland you know there's
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: There are no sex organs on anything. It's all, there's
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: no money.
• 33:19
  Speaker 10: Tell that to the guy that had to clean up
• 33:20
  Speaker 10: the hall.
• 33:22
  Speaker 9: Hey, have you seen Riker in action?
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: It's like a Smurf village in space.
• 33:27
  Speaker 9: They're all working.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: On this flying commune and Papa Smurf the captain. You've
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: got the grumpy one. You've got the one who eats
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: a lot. I don't know. And it's like, They're so
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: above everything. I hate that. You know, they're always looking
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: their noses down on everyone, on every alien. You know, oh,
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: they're not involved. What was it you would say? Like,
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: whenever they would talk about the 20th century on that show,
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: they would always.
• 33:53
  Speaker 10: It's amazing we ever got out of the 20th century.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they would always, like, roll their eyes. Ah, how
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: were we like that? I can't believe it. And whenever
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: they're rolling their eyes and going, how were we like that?
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: They're essentially referring to a society which is like the
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: reimagined Battlestar Galactica, you know? Which is more... real and
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: edgy and there's neckties but in the next generation liberal
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: world they're all wearing jumpers they're all wearing the Mao
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: say Mao say tongue suits everyone looks exactly the same
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: everyone has the same haircut I don't know don't get
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: me started about Klingons and Ferengi.
• 34:32
  Speaker 8: Alright Klingons and Ferengi there's a huge difference Brian so.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: That's what would you find Battlestar more relatable than You know, I.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: Do, but it's funny. I wonder if it's going to date.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: If it's going to look really dated in like 20,
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: 30 years. Netflix recently got that. It's a classic. I'm
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: sure you've seen it. It's like from 1903. It's like
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: It's like this French sci-fi movie. It's like 13 minutes long.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: It's the famous one where they get into this bullet.
• 35:05
  Speaker 9: It's a trip to the moon, right? A trip to
• 35:06
  Speaker 9: the moon, yeah.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: Where they get into the bullet capsule and it shoots
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: the bullet into the moon. And it's like everyone is.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: And Bruce Willis comes out with all his foil diggers.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was in the reimagining trip.
• 35:19
  Speaker 9: Gotta blow up this moon's eye.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: There were these ribs on the bullet ship. It was amazing.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: But they're all wearing....
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: The clothes of 1903. You know, they're all wearing the big.
• 35:32
  Speaker 9: What you wearing to space?
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: The big... What do you call those? Lapels? No, the
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: fancy man ties that you would wear that Freddy wore
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: on Scooby-Doo. What do you call those things?
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: Oh, an ascot?
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: They're all wearing ascots and top hats and they all got, like, monocles.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's like the height of fashion.
• 35:50
  Speaker 9: That's how they operate in NASA now.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: That's why they shut them down. Don't get me wrong.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: It's absolutely charming. And so I was wondering, because, you know,
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: in the reimagined Battlestar, everyone's wearing, like everyone in government's
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: wearing the power suits, and is that going to look really,
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: really dated in about 50 years? And I guess I
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: can relate to it now, but is it timeless? Like, visually,
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: is it timeless? I mean, the story, I guess, is timeless.
• 36:21
  Speaker 9: I mean, some of them enter into their own universe.
• 36:24
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 36:24
  Speaker 9: Like, you look at.
• 36:26
  Speaker 8: Star Wars kind of works because it's so separate. Because
• 36:29
  Speaker 8: everything's so weird.
• 36:30
  Speaker 9: I'm like, nobody would wear those outfits except in the
• 36:34
  Speaker 9: Star Wars.
• 36:34
  Speaker 8: Like, no, why would you live on a desert planet
• 36:36
  Speaker 8: and wrap yourself up all the time?
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: Just get some sunblock. Is the 1978 Battlestar.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: A little more timeless because they're wearing the pajama suits.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: Maybe.
• 36:47
  Speaker 8: Well, see, that comes closer to, like, the Star Trek
• 36:50
  Speaker 8: when it's very specific as to something that, you know,
• 36:53
  Speaker 8: because that one is dated, but kind of, like, you're
• 36:56
  Speaker 8: nostalgic about the dated version of, like, the old Star Trek.
• 36:59
  Speaker 9: But, like, Star Wars is, like, so alien, literally and figuratively, that, like.
• 37:05
  Speaker 8: It is its own weird universe, and I don't think
• 37:07
  Speaker 8: it's dated. Again, I think those original three hold up
• 37:10
  Speaker 8: better than even now. I feel like the Phantom Menace
• 37:13
  Speaker 8: era ones are dated. You look at those and go, oh,
• 37:16
  Speaker 8: look at this bad CG. Look at the weird thing
• 37:19
  Speaker 8: that George was doing because he was on his weird
• 37:20
  Speaker 8: George trip, where the original three are in their own
• 37:24
  Speaker 8: little vacuum, and they exist in that long-ago, faraway place.
• 37:30
  Speaker 9: I feel like it doesn't... have a problem with, that's.
• 37:34
  Speaker 8: Why kids now will still latch onto it, because I
• 37:37
  Speaker 8: don't think it's like, this is old and dumb, like,
• 37:39
  Speaker 8: you know, with anything else they would probably watch. So,
• 37:42
  Speaker 8: I don't know, I think it depends on the property,
• 37:45
  Speaker 8: and I think that's one of those that, because they
• 37:47
  Speaker 8: went so outside, all conventional, like, nothing makes sense about
• 37:52
  Speaker 8: the things they're wearing. Nobody needs to wear that many
• 37:55
  Speaker 8: vests on Solo, but he's freaking cool, and he makes
• 37:58
  Speaker 8: it work. But, like, would you go to the grocery
• 38:00
  Speaker 8: wearing that Walrus Man shirt? suit probably not like if
• 38:04
  Speaker 8: you were a walrus man you would i mean that's
• 38:06
  Speaker 8: offensive sir that's not how we refer to his people
• 38:10
  Speaker 8: i don't know so i mean i.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: Will say the the galactica that you worked on i
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: mean it looked real it it looked like like i
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: really loved how you know there were gears there were
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: levers you know and to me that worked well with
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: the with the modern day clothing that everyone was actually wearing.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: You know, they were, they were wearing t-shirts and all that.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: It looked, it looked like stuff was actually working. You know, it,
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: it wasn't just the enterprise console with it's like a
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: giant iPad screen. You know, it, it really, I mean,
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: I really appreciated that and it, it felt more real
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: to me. And, Do you think that it should have
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: looked more futuristic? I mean, what do you think?
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: Well, when I came on, they actually hadn't decided on
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: the look. In fact, they were kind of trying to
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: decide whether or not they should go for a war-torn, submarine,
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: rusty kind of look. Or they were actually considering a
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: 2001 look at one point.
• 39:13
  Speaker 9: Really?
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: Because I honestly kind of think one of the reasons
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: it was so... it had such a following from people
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: that weren't generally science fiction fans is because it was
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: easier for them to relate because it did look like modern.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: Day society if the Apollo.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: Program had been allowed to evolve into the moon base
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: and beyond.
• 39:34
  Speaker 8: There's an interesting sort of side step on sci-fi. 2001
• 39:39
  Speaker 8: is its own very specific look. and very specific little
• 39:43
  Speaker 8: universe that it exists in, but the fact that they
• 39:46
  Speaker 8: were doing it before we even went into space to
• 39:49
  Speaker 8: know how to make that stuff happen or look real
• 39:52
  Speaker 8: or any of it, that's its own weird thing because
• 39:55
  Speaker 8: it predates the space program, or at least that's actually successfully.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: Doing it in space.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: Or it was the space program.
• 40:01
  Speaker 8: Depending on who you talk to. So I don't know.
• 40:07
  Speaker 8: What do you think about that? Seems like it's a
• 40:10
  Speaker 8: very again, it's a very him writing that bureaucracy thing
• 40:14
  Speaker 8: and kind of making this weird homogenized future where you.
• 40:18
  Speaker 9: Can do a flight of the moon. You know, they're
• 40:20
  Speaker 9: just it's like a flight to L.A. Just catch a
• 40:22
  Speaker 9: trip to the moon. And they made it a very
• 40:26
  Speaker 9: polished future.
• 40:27
  Speaker 8: But again, certainly not perfect and almost a little satirical
• 40:31
  Speaker 8: look at the It was.
• 40:33
  Speaker 10: A society where they kind of bled the romance out
• 40:36
  Speaker 10: of it. It used to be like flying was the
• 40:38
  Speaker 10: romance of the sky. It's basically like taking a big
• 40:40
  Speaker 10: bus to wherever you're going only 30,000 feet. I think
• 40:44
  Speaker 10: 2001 was kind of the illogical extension of that. It's like, okay,
• 40:48
  Speaker 10: get in your pod. Let's go. Time, time, time.
• 40:52
  Speaker 9: Come on.
• 40:53
  Speaker 10: We've got a schedule to keep. Pan Am was still
• 40:55
  Speaker 10: looking around.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 40:58
  Speaker 8: I think that one's another weird Each of these, you
• 41:01
  Speaker 8: kind of come up with their different approach to.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: But, you know, it's like as much as I hate
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: the next generation snobbishness, that's probably the society I would
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: prefer to live in because all my needs would be met.
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: And I wouldn't worry about my mortgage. Yeah, it's safe
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: and boring.
• 41:16
  Speaker 9: Your kid would be fine.
• 41:19
  Speaker 10: They had to go through World War III and the
• 41:20
  Speaker 10: eugenics war to get there, though.
• 41:22
  Speaker 8: Your kid wouldn't be getting abducted by a Jedi cult
• 41:26
  Speaker 8: to take them off and brainwash them and keep them
• 41:28
  Speaker 8: away from their parents.
• 41:29
  Speaker 9: So that they lose their mind and take over the galaxy.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: You've got talent, kid.
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: Come here.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: You just described Nickelodeon. What happened to my kid? He
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: used to love me. Now he's watching TV. But it's
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: like with the reimagining of Battlestar Galactica, it's almost like
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: I am living in that world in a weird way.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: I don't know what kind of point I'm trying to make,
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: but it's sort of like Except for the fact that
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: it's like now we have the airplanes that go to
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: a different continent, and there they have the spaceships that
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: go to a different planet, but the spaceships look just
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: like the airplanes that we have now. So it's kind
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: of the same. I'm living in the Galactica world.
• 42:06
  Speaker 10: All sci-fi mirrors the society was made in.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: But that was like.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: I think with the original Galactica, they were making a
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: science fiction, like a pulp... space.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: Opera sort of thing. They were trying to cash in
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: on Star Wars.
• 42:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: Glenn A. Larson just has all these ideas.
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: In no way were they trying to replicate the current times.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, everybody has mullets.
• 42:37
  Speaker 9: That's still around today.
• 42:39
  Speaker 10: Style, style.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: I think with the New Galactica, they were taking cues
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: from NASA and the things that we know now and
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: trying to There was a conscious effort to try to
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: make it as accurate as we know what space is
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: like now. So at the very beginning, yes, there was
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: no sound in space. And if you see the way
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: the ships move, what's that game?
• 43:09
  Speaker 9: Omega Race?
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: You know, one of those really old video games where,
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: you know, if you hit the thrusters, it would.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: Asteroids.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: Was it Asteroids?
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: Also Mega Rush.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: Wasn't it like Galax?
• 43:21
  Speaker 9: You had a cool little bouncy thing going on.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: Galaga? Galaga was more, there was something at the bottom
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: of the screen going left and right.
• 43:27
  Speaker 9: Asteroids was really hard to control.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: Asteroids, you would hit the thrusters and you wouldn't stop. Oh, yeah.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: So, I mean, they tried to use those kind of
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: physics and those kinds of ideas, but Now, whether or
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: not they were able to sustain that all the way
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: through the series, I think they kind of softened on that.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: But at the beginning, that was the intention.
• 43:50
  Speaker 10: In the opening show where the fleet's going out and
• 43:53
  Speaker 10: the silence hit the virus and the ships are shut
• 43:55
  Speaker 10: down and they start drifting.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: So there's an attempt to be more science fact about it.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: But yes, I do believe that in 100 years or so, yeah,
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: it's going to look dated, of course. And anything you
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: do is going to look dated because we're only– You know,
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: this show is in the background trying to mirror now. And,
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: you know, we're constantly evolving. So, you know, yeah, in
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: 100 years, it's going to look ridiculous.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, for the time, it was a success. It
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: was great, you know? And it still is. I don't
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: know where I'm going with this, but it's like.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: But I think its success is not based on, you know,
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: how well it... It followed science fact or how cool
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: the spaceships look.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: But that hooked me, I got to tell you.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: It hooks you, but if it doesn't have the ideas
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: and stories behind it, you're going to lose it very quickly.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: And I think those things are more or less timeless.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: You know, the loss of life, war, you know, all
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: of these things. I mean, as much as we would
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: like to think that there's going to be an end
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: to war, we're humans. It's not going to happen.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: Which is funny because in Next Generation Fantasyland, there is
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: an end to war. None of that happened. I'm talking
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: specifically about the first two seasons when Gene Roddenberry was really,
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: really running it. It was all just so bland and lifeless.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: It's like they had to invent some kind of super
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: alien threat. to make it exciting, you know?
• 45:34
  Speaker 9: And, and that kind of did really.
• 45:36
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 45:37
  Speaker 9: It was an interesting concept. Or still exists. Something really
• 45:40
  Speaker 9: different that you hadn't seen before.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: But like, I, I always kind of had, I had
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: always kind of heard that Roddenberry really wanted it to,
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: to be essentially that first year, this, you know, because
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: he wanted to give humanity something to aspire to and
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: all that. Like he was, he was trying to be visionary, not,
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: make a, not make a buck. Maybe, I don't know.
• 46:00
  Speaker 8: Well, and we'd also, and I guess this is true
• 46:03
  Speaker 8: as we get further and further along. I, I would
• 46:06
  Speaker 8: not go so far as to say we're more.
• 46:08
  Speaker 9: Evolved, but we've kind of broken through a lot of
• 46:11
  Speaker 9: the barriers.
• 46:11
  Speaker 8: Cause I was thinking from the story aspects, you go
• 46:14
  Speaker 8: back to like original Star Trek and they're really trying to,
• 46:18
  Speaker 8: like you said before, look with the other one, like
• 46:20
  Speaker 8: trying to mirror the time that they were in. So
• 46:23
  Speaker 8: they really are trying to like break social barriers and
• 46:26
  Speaker 8: like you see them, doing an episode that, quote-unquote, takes
• 46:30
  Speaker 8: place in space and about aliens, but really it's about
• 46:33
  Speaker 8: racism on Earth. It's about all this other stuff that
• 46:37
  Speaker 8: sort of we're dealing with and is a touchy subject
• 46:42
  Speaker 8: on Earth at the time they're making the show, whereas
• 46:44
  Speaker 8: now I feel like we're a little further along. Not
• 46:49
  Speaker 8: that it's gone by any means, but I feel like
• 46:51
  Speaker 8: it would be really weird to try to force that
• 46:54
  Speaker 8: same exact approach to something in a modern era show,
• 46:58
  Speaker 8: you can still do it.
• 46:59
  Speaker 9: You would just have to kind of change your delivery.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: You would be accused of being clearly incorrect. Probably. Racist, sexist.
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 47:07
  Speaker 9: We're in a very different time now.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: Which is so funny because, again, the next generation, first
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: two season universe, there is no sexism. There is no racism.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: It's all like ethereal high. It's like that is what
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: we keep saying that humanity wants to get to. But
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: if we make a show showing that type of society,
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: it's boring. And the new Galactica is much more compelling
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: because people are dying and there's nukes going off. And it's,
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: what are we going to do?
• 47:39
  Speaker 10: Oh, my God.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: There's an angel chick. And so that's more exciting and
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: that's more people want that.
• 47:47
  Speaker 9: Again, that's. Storytelling versus life.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: And the only way to make Next Generation a success
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: was to bring in the Borg and to make people
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: start dying. And why is this happening? Why won't they
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: be nice and all ethereal like we are? Put on
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: a jumpsuit, Borg.
• 48:02
  Speaker 8: Come on, man.
• 48:03
  Speaker 9: Hey, we off Tasha right off the bat. What are
• 48:06
  Speaker 9: you talking about?
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: To be honest, if you're going that far into space,
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: I mean, the chances of encountering any sort of alien
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: life is so minuscule.
• 48:14
  Speaker 7: Oh, yeah.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: You wouldn't have anything to do in any episode. It's
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: like in this episode, the fire alarm goes off and
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: they can't figure out where the smoke came from.
• 48:25
  Speaker 8: It's actually a false alarm, but they can't find the
• 48:27
  Speaker 8: panel that turns off the alarm.
• 48:29
  Speaker 9: 45 minutes of that, people.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's 45 minutes of standing on the bridge, standing
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: on the hotel lobby bridge and looking out, you know.
• 48:40
  Speaker 10: Replicator on deck three is not working at maximal capacity.
• 48:43
  Speaker 9: I can't get to make my lasagna.
• 48:45
  Speaker 10: My croutons are.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: Oh, man. Were you with Galactica for the entire four
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: or five years?
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: No, I was only on there for the pilot.
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: For the pilot?
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: Oh, really?
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: Okay. So are you still friends and business associates with
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: those guys?
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: I have a few of them that I still.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: Can I ask you, were you happy with the way
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: it kind of ended out? Or is that... Something you
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: shouldn't get into?
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: I was okay with it. Okay. I wasn't disappointed, but
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: you have to consider that sci-fi, at every you know
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: every year we were fighting to get renewed we didn't
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: know when we were going to get cancelled they would
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: say okay we're going to think about it no this
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: year you're cancelled and so how do you you know
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: design an ending not knowing when you're going to end
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: you know so I think for something like Galactica which
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: was never really popular with the networks until.
• 49:44
  Speaker 5: Really?
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: While we were filming it, we were fighting for every
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: single dollar. This wasn't like Star Trek where you have
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: multi-million dollars per episode. I mean, we were literally... You
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: look at all the sets and it's just future shop
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: rejects and... Death tape. In the pilot episode, if you notice,
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: Colonial One I'm watching it, and yes, I am Asian,
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: but you see a stewardess go down the aisle past
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: the president in a trolley, and Being Asian, we go,
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: that's a dim sum cart. It's a dim sum cart.
• 50:26
  Speaker 10: It's a space dim sum cart.
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: This is something I didn't know because I always thought
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: that sci-fi thought it was their best show and they
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: supported it from the beginning.
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: It was their best show when it was time to
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: receive an award.
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: What I'm wondering is.
• 50:40
  Speaker 10: We meant to do that all the time.
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: Does the reimagined Battlestar Galactica look so much like modern
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: day society Because they didn't have much money. And they
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: were forced to make it look like everyday life because
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: they couldn't afford the futuristic suits and all that kind
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: of stuff.
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: I'm certain that was a factor in it.
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: And they just sort of justified it as, hey, but
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: it worked because I think it made it more accessible
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: to people that weren't normally into sci-fi.
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, the fact that it had a lower
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: budget had actually a positive effect on the show. Although
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: we were always fighting for every dollar, yes, you can
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: laugh about the dim sum cart. If you look closely, yes,
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: you can see little things that you can recognize. But
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: it being a low-budget show meant that you didn't have
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: so many executives to jump through. I mean, you didn't
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: have to jump through so many hoops.
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: And so....
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: You were able to get away with storylines that probably
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: wouldn't make it through a network, like one of the
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: bigger networks, because they were too afraid of offending anybody.
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: They killed a baby in the first hour. There you go. Oh, sorry, spoiler.
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: I've got to say, though, it didn't look cheap. I
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: thought it looked great. And that's the time that I
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: had a 32 inch TV, but it looked great.
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: Well, that's, that's more of a testament to all the
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: people that were working there. Cause I mean, everybody on
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: the show wanted to do a great show.
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: Uh, even, even though it costs, you know, pennies, uh,
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: everybody on there and you, you know, I think they,
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: they really believed in it and they treated it like
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: it was an expensive show, you know, regardless of how
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: much money was available. Uh, They did the best they
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: could with what they had. And I think they succeeded.
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: And many times, if you have a lower budget or
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: not so many things at your disposal, you become more
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: creative and you start to think outside of the box.
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: And many times you get ideas coming out of that
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: that you would never think of if you had all
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: the money in the world. And that is one of
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: the reasons why I think George Lucas in his later
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: years has started to turn out these not-so-good films because
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: he's got too much power.
• 53:17
  Speaker 10: There's no boundaries.
• 53:18
  Speaker 9: Call him out for that.
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah.
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: And so he doesn't need to think his way around
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: things and come up with new solutions. And so everything
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: becomes this sort of Yeah, we've kind of seen that before.
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: There's a twist on it, but we've seen that sort
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: of thing before.
• 53:38
  Speaker 8: It also gets to a point when you get to
• 53:40
  Speaker 8: be somebody like him, it's like you lose touch with
• 53:43
  Speaker 8: any sense of reality. Like, how can you write a
• 53:45
  Speaker 8: movie about people in their world when you really don't
• 53:48
  Speaker 8: even know how... the world you live in works anymore
• 53:51
  Speaker 8: because it's been 20 years since you've not been a
• 53:54
  Speaker 8: multi-millionaire and have had to do anything like you start
• 53:57
  Speaker 8: to see that with people they get more and more
• 53:59
  Speaker 8: successful like they don't know how to do a normal story.
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: That's why I stopped listening to Coldplay. The first two
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: Coldplay albums.
• 54:10
  Speaker 9: I'm blaming Gwyneth.
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: They were amazing. I used to study those albums. I
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: play bass, by the way. I used to study those albums.
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: And then it's just, they got too big, too famous,
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: too Gwyneth-y. And it didn't relate to me anymore. Because
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: they were going places and I wasn't.
• 54:29
  Speaker 9: I mean, I think that's true.
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: Is that a real adjective?
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: Gwynethy? Copyright 2016.
• 54:36
  Speaker 8: I think that's a really good example. I've called that
• 54:40
  Speaker 8: out in music a lot. I think it is because
• 54:42
  Speaker 8: that's one of those that you've got a short amount
• 54:44
  Speaker 8: of time to tell this story or whatever emotions you're
• 54:47
  Speaker 8: trying to put into this, but the more and more
• 54:49
  Speaker 8: you look at a lot of the best work a
• 54:51
  Speaker 8: band will put out is the first album or maybe
• 54:54
  Speaker 8: second or third as they're still kind of working their
• 54:56
  Speaker 8: way up, but you get to like 20 years in
• 54:59
  Speaker 8: you two multi-million dollar like how do they write a
• 55:02
  Speaker 8: normal song anymore like yeah it's really hard to write
• 55:05
  Speaker 8: a song that you and it's something you haven't done
• 55:08
  Speaker 8: before so they start to like get boxed in over
• 55:10
  Speaker 8: and over like each time it takes out other options
• 55:13
  Speaker 8: because a we've already done this b i haven't.
• 55:15
  Speaker 9: Done anything like this in 20 years.
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: So in a weird way is it impossible for george
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: lucas to make a movie as good as the first
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: star wars.
• 55:22
  Speaker 8: I think depending on what it is i think Again,
• 55:25
  Speaker 8: if it's so removed from society anyway that you can
• 55:29
  Speaker 8: just tell its own little... Again, he might get to
• 55:32
  Speaker 8: a point of making more of Star Trek The Next Generation.
• 55:35
  Speaker 9: It's its own.
• 55:35
  Speaker 8: Weird homogenized world that doesn't resemble regular life anyway. And
• 55:40
  Speaker 8: you set a weird story in the middle of that
• 55:42
  Speaker 8: and you're okay. But like, can he do a go
• 55:45
  Speaker 8: into the grocery story anymore?
• 55:47
  Speaker 9: I don't know that he can.
• 55:48
  Speaker 10: Well, part of it is nobody will tell him no.
• 55:50
  Speaker 10: Once you get so big, you are just living in
• 55:52
  Speaker 10: your own head. And when he bankrolls a Phantom Menace,
• 55:55
  Speaker 10: are you going to say, you know, this is a
• 55:57
  Speaker 10: really bad idea. He shouldn't say yippee.
• 56:00
  Speaker 9: That's what he needed.
• 56:01
  Speaker 10: Exactly.
• 56:01
  Speaker 9: Like he had nothing but yes men surrounding him.
• 56:03
  Speaker 10: It's like we were talking. It's like when you have
• 56:05
  Speaker 10: some constraints, you have to be more creative. You have
• 56:07
  Speaker 10: to live in your world a little bit, but. Well,
• 56:09
  Speaker 10: you can just pay for money and just make it work.
• 56:12
  Speaker 9: That's why those are so good.
• 56:13
  Speaker 8: And that's one of those, like, even when he was,
• 56:15
  Speaker 8: quote unquote, successful on that first one, they still didn't
• 56:18
  Speaker 8: throw a lot of money at him.
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: No.
• 56:19
  Speaker 9: Like, they cut the budget on Jedi.
• 56:21
  Speaker 8: The biggest franchise two-thirds of the way in, they cut
• 56:24
  Speaker 8: the budget on Jedi.
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: Okay, well, it's funny because, you know, Lucas had, he
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: didn't have CGI when he made the original movies. And
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: when CGI came in... So he had limitations. But when
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: you made the Reimagined Battlestar, you had CGI. So what
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: were the limitations? Was CGI too expensive to constantly use,
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: I guess?
• 56:50
  Speaker 7: Or.
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: Okay, I mean, I have no idea how it works. Sorry.
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: It's like a computer.
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's why we didn't have dogfights in every episode.
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: You had to figure a way around it. But, you know,
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: the dogfights that they did do were pretty spectacular.
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: Sure, yeah.
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, yeah. So, I think that's... I think we
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: had to pick our fights.
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: Did you ever do practical effects ever? Or was it all.
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: In the show?
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for the ships and stuff. Was there ever an
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: actual model made of the Galactica?
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: There were actual full-size props made of the Vipers.
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: Right, but for the space scenes, for the little ships
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: flying around, was anything ever actually made or was it
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: all done in the computer?
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: You mean, did we actually build flying vipers?
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: No, no, like, did you have.
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: That would be cool as well.
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: Like an 8-bit model.
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: No, from the very beginning, it was all CG.
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: It was all CG, okay.
• 57:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 57:52
  Speaker 9: On that note, do you need to run away? Do
• 57:54
  Speaker 9: you need to escape?
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: I need to pee-pee.
• 57:57
  Speaker 9: Well, I wasn't going to get that specific, but I will.
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: Leave that to you. It's a limitation and it makes
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: him a better artist, man.
• 58:06
  Speaker 9: Well, we appreciate you sharing your thoughts on this concept.
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: George Lucas has moved me on. He doesn't have to pee.
• 58:14
  Speaker 10: He evaporates.
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: He never goes.
• 58:16
  Speaker 9: Before you escape.
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: Isn't that more of a next generation thing where you
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: can just sort of transport?
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: He's become Gene Roddenberry.
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: You can transport your bladder contents somewhere else.
• 58:26
  Speaker 9: Before you go.
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: Is that why there was never a bathroom on the
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: bridge of the Enterprise? Because they don't have to go.
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: They just, Scotty, can you transport this stuff out of me? It's...
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: five 30 before.
• 58:38
  Speaker 9: You transport your bladder issues.
• 58:41
  Speaker 8: Uh, I guess tell people what they need to know
• 58:44
  Speaker 8: about upcoming projects or where should they.
• 58:46
  Speaker 9: Look for your upcoming ideas and future works.
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: I think that the, the, the, the current one, the
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: firestorm is the one that, uh, is closest to being
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: released to, um, to the public. Um, again, it was
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: a Kickstarter funded program. Um, but, uh, essentially what we're
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: trying to do is, produce this short film show it
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: around to potential investors and get it picked up as
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: a TV series because we do think that it is
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: something that has a unique look even though it is
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: puppets it is something that has been around for years
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: but we're doing something that is totally opposite than what
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: ITV is doing ITV has produced a new Thunderbird show
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: that is, I think it's about 80% CGI. And it
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: looks like every other CGI show on TV.
• 59:39
  Speaker 9: They all usually look pretty bad. It's the sad thing.
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: So I think that even though we're taking a step backwards, well,
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: I don't want to say a step backwards, but we
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: are going back to using puppets. And I think it
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: is something that is unique, it will get people's attention,
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: and I think people will find it interesting. When I
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: was a kid, when I watched Thunderbirds or Captain Scarlet,
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: it was kind of like watching toys move. And I
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: think that's, again, that's something that is appropriate for kids
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: to watch and it helps, it allows them to bridge
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: the gap and use their imagination into thinking that these
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: are real ships and real characters.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 9: I think that stuff is, again, back to the timeless thing.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 8: I think there is something about those practical effects, be
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 8: it puppets or stop motion or stuff we've talked about
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 8: in the past. I think there is something that always
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 8: will appeal to kids regardless.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: And I think this also reflects on what you said
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: about Elmo. I think kids connect easier with something that
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: is physically there.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: I will say no wrong against Elmo. because it's fascinating.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: I will.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: Elmo has no eyebrows, has no eyelids.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 9: Well, Oscar the Grouch took them all.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: The puppeteer, whoever it is now since Kevin Clash left,
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: they portray so much emotion through this eyebrow-less, eyelid-less puppet.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: It's amazing. It's artistry.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 9: The puppets are good. I just don't trust that Elmo.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: Nothing bad about Elmo.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 8: Well, then close your ears because I have nothing good
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 8: to say about Elmo.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 9: It's all about Grover for me.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: Hey, how do we find out, like, website, whatever?
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 9: Too late for the Kickstarter? Can they still throw money
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 9: at you?
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: I think they can.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: Can I give you five under the table here?
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: He just said it on the table. We're talking about
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: the show, right?
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 10: Absolutely.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 9: We are in a hotel.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: No strings attached. I'm like the puppets on this show.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: I have a real doll for that.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 8: Between you guys, if you want to take care of
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 8: other business deals.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: It's a realer doll. Copyright 2016. Now, is there a
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: website I'd like to check out?
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: I think the Kickstarter, even though the deadline has passed,
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: you can still donate through Kickstarter. But like I said,
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: we are now in post-production. So we're hoping that the
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: next step is to get a TV series out of it,
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: and then we can go all out. Then we can
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: have fun with puppets and blow up stuff and use
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: real explosives.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: Are you guys looking to TV networks or is Netflix
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: or Amazon an option?
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: Anybody.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: Anybody.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: As long as we can get it going.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 9: It's a whole different world than 10 years ago even.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 7: Neat.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 9: Well, thank you for sitting in.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 8: We will release you back into the wonders of Wonderfest.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: Goodbye. Bye-bye.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 9: Thanks, man.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 8: We should probably finish up the Eric episode then if
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 8: we're done with that one. That was sort of its
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 8: own thing.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: He was delightful.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 9: He was delightful.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: I think I have a closing thought for the Eric episode.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: Do you need to put a pin in this and
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: then come back?
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 9: We're at the pin right now.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 8: Once again, we want to thank Eric for joining us.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 9: So what What is your final thought?
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: I miss Eric already. Can we get Eric back?
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 9: I mean, he's probably in the other room over there.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 9: Let's go over there.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 5: Eric!
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I had so many things to ask
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: him about Galactica, but I was holding my tongue because
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: I don't want to ruin his career by getting him
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: to maybe admit things.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 9: I mean, I think he's out of that loop enough.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 9: I couldn't believe that.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 10: Starbuck was an angel.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: I just lost it.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, I was going to bring up the whole
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: Deep Space Nine thing, but it's just, never mind.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 10: Okay.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, we were talking about unrealistic sci-fi worlds,
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: and to me, the most unrealistic is the first two
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: seasons of Next Generation, you know? It's just completely, no,
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: that's never going to happen. Man's never going to have
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: this utopia of sexless, cashless, passionless society, you know? And
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: I remember when I was a kid, when Next Generation
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: first came on, I was more of a Trekkie than
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: I am now. And I think it's because there wasn't
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: anything else available to me.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 10: It was kind of the only game in town.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, like Star Wars was kind of done with.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: I didn't... really there wasn't really any other show you know.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 8: Yeah especially tv wise i guess they were still making
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 8: sci-fi movies semi-regularly i.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: Was liking the star trek movies a lot so i
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: was really kind of getting into that so it's like
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: i really wanted to like the next generation.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 9: I wanted to be the next wesley crusher.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: So i would watch it and i would i remember
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: i would videotape it and i would i would try
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: to convince myself that i like it i like it
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: this is good for me and one day my my
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: younger snot-nosed cousin had come by and he was saw
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: me watching it he was just laughing at me like
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: this show sucks he even wrote it on a piece
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: of paper and showed it to me said next generation
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: sucks and he held it up to me he did
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: show you well he kind of did i was like
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: you know what you're right you're right and because it
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: was just this fantasy world that you just cannot relate
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: to and i But then you hear about Trekkies that
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: are way, way into it, and it's like they want
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: to live that ideal. They're really drinking the Gene Roddenberry Kool-Aid.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm talking about.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 10: I know, yes.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 9: You had a cup and a half earlier, remember?
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: Like that. But Dave will dilute it with the water.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 9: I add extra sugar to mine.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: There's that documentary, Trekkies, and it shows people that are
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: really trying to live the Federation lifestyle.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 10: There's a line, and some people can't see the line anymore.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 10: The line's a dot in the background.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 9: We could all live that life if they would have
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 9: finished that hotel in Vegas.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: That's true. It kind of made me think how for,
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: let's face it, Trekkies, especially back then, Trekkies tended to
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: be more male than not male. They tended to be
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: more loser-y.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 10: It was a sausage fest, sure.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: Like, my cousin, who was berating me, he was a
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: total winner, okay? He's like a freaking engineer now. He has.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 9: He still snot-nose, though? You tell him that, right? Every
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 9: time you see him, you tell him.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: He's basically Elmer J. Fudd, millionaire. He owns a mansion
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: and a yacht, okay?
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: Me.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: I've got a Polar Pop cup from Circle K.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 9: Can we leech off this dude? Can he at least
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 9: sponsor us or something?
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: Oh, he doesn't talk to me anymore.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 9: Well, I don't have to let him know I know you.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: Big shout out to Isaac.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 9: The first mistake is letting him know I've met you before.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: But, you know, and it was kind of occurring to
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: me that, you know, like really geeky outcast guys, the
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: ones who really took the first two seasons of Star
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: Trek to heart is because They wanted to live in
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: that world where they wouldn't be judged on their appearance.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: They would be judged on their character. They would be
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: judged on their achievements.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 10: Everybody's above average.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: They would be judged on their intellect instead of their
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: sports prowess. And it kind of became like this fantasy
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: land that doesn't exist, but they like watching the show
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: because they want to live there. And a big component
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: of that is they weren't that successful with Girls. So
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: they were spending a lot of time at home watching
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: it on the TV.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 9: Leave me out of this.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: Hoping that they could live in that type of world.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: Because in that type of world, geeky, nerdy guys get ahead.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: They are successful. And the chicks love them.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 9: And Deanna Troi loves me.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: And I used to kind of.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 9: That was a memorable crush on myself.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: But, I mean, whatever. I used to kind of, like.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: I would have problems like that because I was that
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: type of person. I wasn't successful. I wasn't sportsy. Girls
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: didn't like me. All I had was Star Trek and
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: the TV. And I was afraid to tell girls that
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: I would watch the show because I knew immediately I'd
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: be looked at.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 9: That still kind of holds true.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: It occurred to me a couple years ago that women.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: Have these same type of escapist fantasy shows that are
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: just as unrealistic as Next Generation, just as sci-fi as
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: Next Generation.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 9: I brought one up recently.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: They just don't have the sci-fi trappings. And case in point,
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: to kind of end our fantasy universe that doesn't exist,
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: The show Gilmore Girls. Have you seen this show?
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 8: I watched it every week, thank you very much. I
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 8: was a Gilmore guy, and I was there every week.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: Okay, then.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 9: Stars Hollow is kind of where I want to go
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 9: when I die.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: Wouldn't you agree that Stars Hollow, where Gilmore Girls is set,
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: it is the most fantasy, unrealistic, is-never-going-to-happen environment ever. I
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: want to go there.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 8: I can get a pizza and watch movies with Lorelai
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 8: every night.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 9: That's like when I die, I enter.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 8: That world where right before death you enter some sort
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 8: of paradise universe or maybe the Nexus if we're sticking
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 8: with Star Trek.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 9: And I'm like, that's where I am. I'm hanging out
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 9: with either Lorelai or both.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 8: And then we watch movies and we make snarky pop
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 8: culture references.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 9: And that's what we do.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: And it's It's just as unrealistic as I'm going to
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: fly on a spaceship where everyone is equal in my
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: intellect and girls like me. It's just as unrealistic as,
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: I mean.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 8: But this is better because every night they eat at
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 8: a diner. They don't eat that crap out of the
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 8: wall like they would at Star Trek.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: Diners don't exist.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 9: Diners don't exist. Diner food, they eat it every night
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 9: and they don't have heart attacks.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 9: It's a wonderful world.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: On the Enterprise, you know, it's like you've got replicators
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: and holodecks. and it's total fantasy land. In Stars Hollow,
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: you have a diner that is actually surviving. You have
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: a mom-and-pop grocery. You have a mom-and-pop hardware store. You know,
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: the streets are clean. It's a total fantasy world, just
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: as fantasy as the Starship Enterprise. It ain't going to happen.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 10: Want me to blow both of your all's minds?
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: Oh, please.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 10: Star Hollow was a hologram program.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 9: That would make more sense.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 8: We can't make that decision yet because we haven't seen
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 8: the new one. It's continuing, you know. Don't think I'm
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 8: not excited about that, too. Coming back on the Netflix.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: Just like on Star Trek, you would always have a
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: get-out-of-jail-free card. It was usually Technobabble said by Spock. It's
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: like if they're in a jam, Spock would just say
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: some random thing and press some buttons and suddenly everything's fine.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: Gilmore Girls had that, too, in the Terms. in the
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: form of their rich parents, who would always get them
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: out of any little scrape that they would get in. Again,
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: something totally fantasy land.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 9: We don't know? This is not reality.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 10: It is not.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: And it's like Lorelai, she pretends that she rejects this
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: wealthy lifestyle that she comes from, but because of that,
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: she can afford to be and eccentric and live in
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: this big, huge mansion, but she doesn't have to have
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: a job to afford the big, huge mansion.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 9: Wait, who is this person you're talking about?
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 8: She had her own house that she bought with her
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 8: own money, damn it. When she got that job cleaning
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 8: rooms at the hotel.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: If this was reality, Laverne and Shirley was more realistic
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: because they couldn't make their rent payment from week to week.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 9: They worked at a brewery.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: The Milwaukee on Laverne and Shirley is more realistic than
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: Stars Hollow.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 7: Wow.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 9: Which is some planet on the holodeck.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 10: They were realistic in your face.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: Gilmore Girls was a holodeck novel that was being played
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: on a starship somewhere.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 10: That's what I'm saying.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: Where, like Eric pointed out, nothing would happen to them
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: because if there is life in space, it's so far apart,
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: you would just spend years drifting between the stars.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 9: So does Laverne and Shirley turn a corner when they
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 9: go to California?
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: California?
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 8: It's not so gritty anymore. Now they're hanging out with
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 8: movie stars who make special guest appearances.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: That was the equivalent of the board coming in. They
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: shook it up, you know?
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 9: Well, see, now this is back to your, like, using
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 9: the white.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 9: Geeky people would attach themselves to Star Trek.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 8: It's funny to me that it started with the original show,
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 8: because I feel like that original show is not like.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 9: The universe that Next Generation exists in at all.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 10: Oh, it's not at all.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: Not at all.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 9: It's still like.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: And Gene Bradbury wanted to get away from that.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 9: But that was his creation, and I'm like, Kirk is
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 9: so the cool dude.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 8: Like, he is the dude that everybody watching that show
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 8: is not.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 9: Like, they're not... He's very sportsy. He's very... He's the cowboy.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 9: He's not.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: But everybody watching that show identified with Spock.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 9: He was the nerdy one.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: And part of the fantasy is your best friend is
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: the cool sports guy who would always have your back
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: and respected you because you were smart. nerdy and you
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: didn't like girls.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 8: But he didn't exist in that super safe world either
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 8: because it's like everybody in Next Generation follows the rules
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 8: and goes with the little structure. Kirk so much didn't
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 8: know how to operate within the rules he made up
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 8: his own rules just to get ahead in the system.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 10: And then broke those rules.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 8: He broke the system that had no rules and he
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 8: still found a way to break them. So he's that
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 8: much of a, ooh, I'm a cool dude, I'm a rebel,
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 8: I'm doing things my own way. And I'm like, it's
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 8: such a different world that the original Star Trek exists
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 8: in versus the future world. Because I feel like even
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 8: the one character that's super smart and logical is Spock.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 8: but they kind of make fun of him.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: The whole time.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 9: It's usually Kirk and Bones being like, ugh, green-blooded bastard.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: Look what he's doing this week.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: And they're always like the wacky music whenever Spock does something.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 9: They're just like, dumb Vulcan.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 8: They pretty regularly bashed how nerdy and dorky Spock was
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 8: and how out of the loop and he didn't understand
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 8: whatever references they were making because he's all logical. So, again,
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 8: it's like it's such a different experience trying to watch
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 8: that Star Trek of old versus the next generation, which
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 8: is maybe more of a pure version of Gene Roddenberry.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 8: Because at that point, he did have power. It was
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 8: almost the Lucas thing. He started in the beginning.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 9: People at the network were like, no, no, we want
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 9: more of this.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: We want more of this.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 9: We want more green chicks. We want him making out
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 9: with Uhura.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 8: They probably wanted that kind of stuff where, again, very
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 8: sexualized in that first one. Kirk was hooking up with
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 8: all kinds of people where it becomes very generic and
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 8: with the exception of Riker being kind of a hoe. Like,
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 8: the rest of the people are the most sexless bunch
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 8: of boring.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 10: People you'll ever meet.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 9: No, thank you.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: But he would always look so smug about Riker.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 10: He was the only one getting some.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 9: I was not a Riker fan.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 8: I was like, just transfer off and get your own ship.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 8: How many years can you be second banana.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: You loser? Okay, but what I'm saying is, like, 1960s
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: Star Trek is to next generation. what Laverne and Shirley
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: is to Gilmore Girls, okay? It's like... Wow.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 9: Gilmore Girls is so... Could you write that on the
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 9: blackboard for me? Because I've got to draw some lines.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: I maintain that Gilmore Girls is as unrealistic and fantastical
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: as Next Generation. It's just... It's a total sci-fi... It's
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: a more female-bent... sci-fi experience.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 8: The one that i made reference to recently that i
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 8: was like especially as early on as it kicked in
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 8: which isn't like old star trek level but still like
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 8: a while ago before the the it was cool to
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 8: be a girl that was into sci-fi and fantasy and
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 8: you i want to see it because i referenced a
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 8: very specific time and place that i saw this and
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 8: you were kind of at that point do you remember
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 8: the girls that used to come in and buy the
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 8: Beauty and the Beast box sets?
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 9: That was a level of fantasy that, like.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: My sister-in-law.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 9: Oh, she's one of those. But no, that's the thing.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 8: I was like, there was a level of, like, geeky guy,
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 8: and then there were no girls that were like that,
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 8: and then the new Beauty and the Beast box set
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 8: would come out, and they would come from out of
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 8: the basements or wherever they lived, and I'm.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 9: One of those people, so I can make fun of them.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 9: But I was like, They would come in and I'd
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 9: be like, oh, you do not see girls like this.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 9: They were very dorky.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: Suddenly you were seeing female Trekkies, basically.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 8: It was that equivalent, like that level of dorkiness and
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 8: that level of kind of that same thing of like,
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 8: no one appreciates me.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 9: Nobody thinks I'm the beautiful one.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 8: And then some giant monster will come up out of
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 8: the sewers and carry me away like a Harlequin romance novel.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: And the funny thing is- Back in those days, I
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: was a giant monster. You know, I was really fat,
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: pimples everywhere.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 9: We didn't say it while you were around.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 5: God.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 9: We waited until you left.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: I was a monster everywhere except where it counted. And
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: they were just.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 9: Well, this explains why you.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: No one wanted their Beauty and the Beast fantasy with me,
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: and no one wanted to do a Next Generation to
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: Holodeck thing with me.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 10: So this show is where Sarah Connor hooks up with
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 10: the guy from Sons of Anarchy, right?
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: Okay, got it.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 8: But there was such a dedicated group of fans. And
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 8: it was never, like, I don't ever remember selling one
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 8: to a guy. Like, it should be, like, reverse sexual.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 10: Those guys got a girl to buy it for them.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: Reverse sexual stereotyping.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 9: Or categorizing. Like, you know, normally I don't say that
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 9: about girls now.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: Are there Disney conventions?
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 9: Oh, yeah. Well, I mean, they have theme parks. You
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 9: can just go there all day long, and people do.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: Do you think that there are guys who, like, Say, no, really,
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: I like the Disney Prince princesses. And then do the
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: girls go, you're a fake Disney princess fan.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 9: I mean, they're happy.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 8: No, no, it's like, it's a hard, I don't think
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 8: it would be hard to find a guy that's into
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 8: the Disney princesses.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: Straight guy.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 9: Straight guy.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 8: That's what I was going to say. I'm sure there
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 8: are plenty of guys that are like, I don't care. Oh,
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 8: but okay, but you're not straight. So you're finding a
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 8: guy who's straight and also is not afraid to say
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 8: that he's into Disney princesses.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: It's probably a lot.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 9: Harder to find. I'm not saying they're not out there.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 10: It's a subset.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 9: I'm down with my Disney princesses. I mean, as much
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 9: as I can be, I guess.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: I'm not into Disney princesses because... Ultimately, I think it's
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: introducing the youth of America to the concept of a
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: totalitarian government system and makes them want that. Where you
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: have the one good overlord king who's going to take
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: care of all your problems. You don't need democracy. You
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: just need to trust in this good and light-hearted king
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: who will always be nice to you and that never
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: happens in reality so no.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 8: What i learned from the old school disney princesses is
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 8: you gotta find a girl whose mom is dead That's right.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 9: Why were their mom, like it was always the mom.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 8: They always had a dad that was their father figure,
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 8: but like the mom was just gone.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 9: Or they specifically pointed out that she was dead.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 10: It was a female version of the edible complex.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 8: I was like, what is going on in this Disney
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 8: universe that kills all their parents? Usually the kids are
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 8: either completely orphanized or like the mom is always dead. Like,
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 8: this is a weird, for a happy place that Disney
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 8: life is supposed to be, it's like, these are weird little,
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 8: speaking of universes.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: And why is it Disney movies in the 60s and 70s,
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: the parents are American and the kids are British? Why
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: is that? Come on now, Johnny, we have to go home.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: But to father, I want a pony. You know, why
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: is that?
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 10: Well, here's something else to consider. If the Little Mermaid
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 10: had been a fish on the top side, it would
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 10: have been a horror story.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 9: I'd still be okay with her. Just saying.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 10: Get away, you foul-mouthed guppy.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 9: I mean, it changes your options, but whatever. I accept
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 9: her for what she is.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 10: Get away, foul guppy.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: How'd the shells stay on?
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 4: Magic.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 9: If the rule holds true for mer-men, where do you
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 9: get more of those mer-people?
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: Well, I guess at the bottom.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 9: I guess there's some sort of spawning go on we
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 9: don't see.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they sort of swim over the eggs.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I guess that's it. Because there ain't nothing else
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 9: going on.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 10: Wild kingdom.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: When a male mermaid loves a female mermaid, one gives
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: the other $ 20. I don't know where I'm going. You see, Brian.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 9: This was what you paid that girl in the hotel
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 9: that was. Please put this shell bra on.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 4: Thank you.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: Do you think, you know, Eric brought up the real
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: dolls earlier. Do you think there are real dolls that
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: are like mermaids? I don't have one.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 10: Shut up.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 9: You can't prove a thing. I told you to stay
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 9: out of that room.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 3: It's a trap.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, do they get into like... Because, you know,
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: there's the whole furry subculture. Is there a real doll
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: fantasy branch?
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 10: I'm just going to say yes.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: Where you can get like a centaur. I got a
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  Speaker 1: real centaur.
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  Speaker 8: The rule is whatever perverted thing you think of.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 10: And now the internet exists. We can find each other.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, I've been shopping for them.
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  Speaker 1: Can you buy a sexy centaur doll?
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  Speaker 8: Those are pricey, though, because the human size ones get
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 8: really expensive. So if you add a horse into it,
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 8: that is pricey.
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  Speaker 10: That's square footage right there.
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  Speaker 8: But if you have the money, I guarantee somebody will
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  Speaker 8: come up with it.
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  Speaker 1: That's right.
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  Speaker 8: They will make it for you special.
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  Speaker 9: Don't you worry. All you got to do is throw
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  Speaker 9: loads of cash at them.
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  Speaker 10: Or probably a Walmart in Japan.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Or you can just go to Stars Hollow and buy
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: it from one of the mom and pop stores that
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: are surviving.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: There is no Walmart in Gilmore Girls.
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  Speaker 9: Damn straight. This is why I like this place. I'm
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 9: moving there right now.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely.
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  Speaker 9: It's like I was saying.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: I would want to live in the next generation culture
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: because I'd be safe.
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  Speaker 2: I want to live.
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't need money.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 9: He's a Disney person.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: Just as much as I would want to live in
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: a Starz Hall of Gilmore Girls. I would want to
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: live there because I would be able to have a
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: part-time job as a bag boy and afford a six-bedroom house.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: I would, you know, things would be great.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 9: And you would paint with all the colors of the wind.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there'd be some cute girl next door who would,
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: you know, who would want to come help me.
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  Speaker 9: Her name's Rory and she's coming over later and we're
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 9: going to do homework.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: Shut up. Rory is evil. I'm saying it right now.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: Rory is evil.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 10: You can both be right about that.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: She chews up men. She's shallow.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 9: I mean, I like Paris, truthfully.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 5: It's good.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 9: That shows you the taste I have.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 10: I've seen like two episodes of the show and I'm
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 10: trying to hang on.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: I really am. This is exactly how I feel when
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: you guys talk about superheroes and sports.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 8: Man, you should have been there for that Apocalypse episode
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 8: or Batman v Superman or the Civil War.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 9: We've had quite a few lately.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 10: Batman v Superman.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 8: Let's not even open that can of worms on this episode.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 8: Let's round this thing out.
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: Can I end it with a Laverne and Shirley story?
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 9: Is there a Shamil involved here?
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: I don't know why I got on a Laverne and
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: Shirley kick and I was on the YouTube and I
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: was like, you know, I've never seen, because Laverne and
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: Shirley was a spinoff of Happy Days.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 9: As everything was at that point.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: The characters first showed up on Happy Days.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: They only had two shows.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: And I was thinking, you know, I've never seen their
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: first appearance. Laverne and Shirley's Genesis, basically. So I was
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: looking for the episode and I found it. And the
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: plot of the episode is Richie can't find a date
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: and Fonzie's sick of him complaining. So he sets him
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: up with two experienced ladies. They were going to double date.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: And the thing about the show was, like, Laverne and
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: Shirley were supposed to be older, more experienced.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: Easy girls.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: And so... when they show up at Arnold's and they're
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: sitting with, I, I had these weird feelings going around
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: because it wasn't the Laverne and Shirley.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 9: Those are called fantasies. It wasn't the.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: Laverne and Shirley that I was used to. This was
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: like a weird sexualized bimbo-esque. I mean, Shirley walks through
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: the door and she's hanging off of Richie.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 9: Especially the Shirley. Like Laverne, I can see she's probably experienced.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 9: It's okay.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: She was hanging off of Richie and she just had
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: these like doomy eyes. And they were like slutty. It
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: was like watching a Laverne and Shirley porn parody in
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: like a weird way.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 9: That's kind of true.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: And the thing is, even Penny Marshall looked hot. And
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 9: Still does today.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: So it was just like surreal fantasy land. What the
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: hell is going on here? And it was amazing.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 9: I think that suffers from pilot syndrome.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 8: Many a time you'll watch the pilot or possibly the
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 8: whole first season because they used to give them a season.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 9: Or two to get their footing.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 10: Star Trek The Next Generation.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 8: Now, two episodes in, they will pull your show out
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 8: from under you. But back in the olden days when
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 8: they used to let you figure stuff out in the
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 8: middle of a series, like, yeah, there's quite often when
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 8: you watch that first episode or the first ten episodes
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 8: and you're just.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 9: Like, these characters are not at all what I was expecting.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 9: So you get that.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 8: You get them trying to decide something in the pilot,
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 8: and then, or half the time, an entirely different writer
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 8: writes that pilot, or new people are brought in.
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 9: It was such a shock to me, though. Yeah, I
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 9: think that's what it is.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: The Laverne and Shirley characters I knew, they were very
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: chaste and good Catholic girls, and they were like slutty
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: Laverne and slutty Shirley, especially Shirley. She was hot.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 9: That's what seems weird.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 7: She was hot.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: Hot, man. And I cannot believe Richie was like.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 8: She came straight from the first nudie musical to be
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 8: in that episode.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 10: Little Opie Cunningham.
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: It was hot. So I kind of started watching some
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: more Laverne and Shirley on Hulu. And it wasn't as
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: good as my first hit, I tell you, man.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 9: So you keep looking for the porn parody now, is
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 9: what you're saying.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: But the funny thing is, though.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: It's like, as I'm watching it, they still look hot
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: to me. And I think it's because the Little Happy
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: Days episode kind of tainted me. And I'm watching it
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: now like, oh, they're really good girls. But I know
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: secretly deep down, they're freaky. They got a tiger in
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: the tank, you know what I mean?
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 8: Flip the switch so you can't flip off again.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 9: It makes them hotter.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: And I'm telling anyone listening who is straight and male,
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: Or gay and female.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 2: Sorry, did I say or?
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 10: No, no, no, no, no.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: I'm saying specifically straight and male. Go back and watch
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: some of the, either the first or the second season
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: of Laverne and Shirley. Penny Marshall is hot. She is
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: a freak.
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 9: I was shocked. But females can't think she's hot?
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: I was shocked. Well, because, well, okay, thank you.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 9: Very good point.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, you're absolutely right. That's wrong on me.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 7: I'm sorry.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 9: That's from your perspective.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: I'm talking from my perspective. Because I was used to
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: thinking of Penny Marshall as director Penny Marshall.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 9: Guys, you gotta come over here. Rosie, do your acting.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: She's hot and I get why Fonzie was into her.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 9: Speaking of sluts, Fonzie got around.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: The universe changed on me.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 9: Let's see. The universe didn't match the universe you were expecting.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 8: Much like Battlestar Galactica.
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 9: And it all comes back around. Figure that out, Eric.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 8: All right, I think we've addressed the universes of sci-fi
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 8: and Milwaukee.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: Wait, Dave hasn't talked about shields in the Arnell in
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: the way you feel.
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 10: One was like a robot.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: But which one?
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 10: A primetime mime show. Think about it.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: So many people are going to go to Wikipedia on
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: this episode. What the hell are they talking about?
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 9: Crazy old people.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 8: On that note, thank you once again to Eric for
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 8: joining us.
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 9: Thank you, Eric. To Wonderfest for letting us be part
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 9: of this wonderful experience.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 8: So go to wonderfest.com and figure out what they have
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 8: next year and you can be part of this magic.
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: Hey brian you never introduced me and dave i don't
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: know who you are who are you i'm dave i'm
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: ben i'm.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 9: Pretty sure you introduced yourselves didn't.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: You Yeah, but you didn't give us the whole accolade
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: and backstory.
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 9: Because you're regular.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: I am? That's right.
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 9: 19 episodes!
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: 20 times!
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 9: And it's been a few since then. So we're up
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 9: to like 23 by now, easily.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: I stopped counting after 22.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 8: So I would say you've moved your way. Much like Eric,
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 8: whether we like it or not, you have been adopted.
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: And if you go back and listen to that first episode,
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: I'm slutty and hot.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 8: On that note, I think that about does it. Thank
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 8: you for joining us. We shall return next time. Same
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 8: geek feed.
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 9: Thanks for listening.
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 4: Pools of sorrow, waves of joy Are drifting through my
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 4: open mind Possessing and caressing me Shakuru Deva Nothing's gonna
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 4: change my world Nothing's gonna change my world. Nothing's gonna
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 4: change my world. which dance before me like a million
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 4: eyes they call me on and on across the universe
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 4: thoughts meander like a restless wind inside a letterbox they
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 4: tumble blindly as they make their way across the universe
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 4: Jackie Nothing's gonna change my world. Nothing's gonna change my world.
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 4: Nothing's gonna change my world. After shades of earth are
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 4: ringing through my open ears, inciting and inviting me. When
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 4: the sun's out of love, which shines around me like
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 4: a million suns and calls me on and on across
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 4: the universe.
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 7: Child.
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 4: Nothing's gonna change my world Nothing's gonna change my world
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 4: Nothing's gonna change my world Nothing's gonna change my world
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 4: Thank you for watching!
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: So what song are you playing now as we're going out?
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 9: Shamil! Shmazel!
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 8: Haas and Fepper Incorporated!
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: Something else I forgot or never knew or realized was
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: how physical they were. They are doing a lot of
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: slapstick stuff. Falling over stuff.
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 9: That's what comedy was.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 1: Falling over shit. My weird memory of it was that
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: Laverne was the goofy one And Shirley was like the killjoy.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: But they're not. They're both extremely crazy. And they're both
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: like doing pratfalls and whatnot. And I just couldn't believe
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 1: how physical they were. Like the freaking two broke girls
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: would never do any of this shit.
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 8: I mean, it's no Sam and Cat, but what are you.
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 5: Going to do?
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 10: Two broken girls, am I right?
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 9: Broken sitcom systems more like it. They'll let anything on.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: I've also reassessed Lenny and Squiggy. They are hilarious, man.
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 10: They are hot.
• 1:34:38
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• 1:34:40
  Speaker 5: edited by The Oddity Studios, with opening music performed by
• 1:34:44
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• 1:34:46
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• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: Talk hard!