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- 0:00Welcome to Reform Thinking. We are back at the table, ready
- 0:03to open up a text that challenges a lot of the
- 0:06assumptions floating around in the modern evangelical world.
- 0:09We are, and this is a big one. We are continuing our series
- 0:13through the book Biblical Missions, Principles,
- 0:15Priorities, and Practices, and today we are looking
- 0:18specifically at chapter 5. It is written by Scott Callahan,
- 0:22and the title is 1 Holy Race, Ethnicity and the People of God.
- 0:28This is one of those chapters that really forces you to sit up
- 0:31and pay attention. I mean, it deals with race,
- 0:33ethnicity and the definition of the people of God.
- 0:36These are, you know, volatile topics in the broader culture
- 0:38right now. Absolutely.
- 0:39But Callahan is not offering a sociological opinion or some
- 0:43kind of political strategy. He's doing biblical theology.
- 0:46And that's why we're here. As we always say, we're
- 0:47approaching this from the perspective of those who hold to
- 0:50the Westminster Confession. We are looking for the regular
- 0:53fiddy eye, the rule of faith. We aren't interested in polling
- 0:56data or, you know, graphic trends.
- 0:58We want to know how redemptive history unfolds from Genesis to
- 1:02Revelation, regarding who God's people actually are.
- 1:05And you really have to strip away the modern obsession with
- 1:07demographics and just ask, what is God doing?
- 1:11Callahan starts us right at the finish line, which is a really
- 1:15helpful way to Orient our thinking.
- 1:17He goes straight to Revelation 7.9, the great multitude.
- 1:21Right, the text says a great multitude that no one could
- 1:24number from every nation, from all tribes and people and
- 1:27languages. Now you have to think about how
- 1:30that verse is usually used in contemporary.
- 1:32Preaching. Oh, it's almost always used as a
- 1:34celebration of diversity for diversity's sake.
- 1:36It's the celestial census, you know.
- 1:38The argument is usually that heaven is perfect because it's
- 1:41diverse, and therefore our churches should aim for that
- 1:44same demographic mix to look like heaven.
- 1:46It basically validates the idea that God collects cultures.
- 1:50Right. It frames God as wanting
- 1:52representation, as if he's checking boxes to make sure
- 1:55every group is accounted for. But Callahan really pushes back
- 1:59on that reading. He argues that reading
- 2:01Revelation 7.9 is a mandate for ethnic representation is
- 2:05fundamentally anthropocentric. It makes the text about us.
- 2:08Yes, it focuses the camera on our skin tones, our languages,
- 2:13and our distinct cultural artifacts.
- 2:15But the text is so clearly theocentric.
- 2:18It's God centered from start to finish.
- 2:20Well, look at the action of the multitude.
- 2:22They aren't standing there celebrating their own diversity.
- 2:25They're not looking at each other saying, hey, look at this
- 2:27wonderful cultural mosaic we've created.
- 2:29No, they're crying out. With a loud voice, Salvation
- 2:33belongs to our God who sits on the throne and to the Lamb.
- 2:37So the diversity isn't the point of the passage, the scope of the
- 2:40atonement is the point. Precisely.
- 2:42The mention of nations and tongues isn't there to glorify
- 2:45those nations, it's there to magnify the power of the Lamb.
- 2:48It proves that the atonement was so effective that it obliterated
- 2:51every human boundary. It couldn't be contained.
- 2:54No, not by geography or genetics or language.
- 2:57So the mission of our discussion today is to recover that God
- 3:00centered view. We need to walk the timeline,
- 3:03creation, election, judgement and the church to see how God
- 3:07actually handles this concept of race.
- 3:10OK, so let's start at the very beginning, Creation.
- 3:14If we want to understand what human beings are, we have to go
- 3:16to the blueprints. Genesis 1.27 the Imago day.
- 3:21God created man in his own image.
- 3:23Usually when we discuss this in a theological context, we focus
- 3:27on the functional aspect. We talk about the mandate to
- 3:29exercise dominion, to subdue the Earth.
- 3:32That's the what of humanity. But Callahan draws our attention
- 3:35to The Who. Male and female.
- 3:37He created them. That's it.
- 3:38That is the fundamental essence of humanity.
- 3:40Sexual differentiation is primary to the human
- 3:42constitution. But notice what is conspicuously
- 3:45absent from the creation narrative.
- 3:46Race. There's zero mention of it.
- 3:48Complete silence. And that is a silence that
- 3:50should really shape our thinking.
- 3:52It is striking when you think about how much weight we put on
- 3:54it today. We'll think about Adam.
- 3:57His name relates to the Adama, the ground, the dust, and Eve is
- 4:02made from his side. They can't be described by
- 4:05ethnicity in any way that makes sense to our modern categories.
- 4:08Right, they weren't white, black, Asian or Semitic.
- 4:10They were simply the proto humans.
- 4:12So ethnicity is not a fundamental element of what it
- 4:15means to be human. It's not part of the hardware,
- 4:17it's software that got added later.
- 4:20And it wasn't added by the fall, either.
- 4:23Callahan is really careful to point out that when sin enters
- 4:26the world, it breaks our relationship with God.
- 4:28It breaks creation, but it doesn't instantly create races.
- 4:32Adam and Eve are banished from Eden, but they leave as one
- 4:35family. The fracturing of humanity into
- 4:37distinct groups is a post flood reality.
- 4:40That's right. So that brings us to the table
- 4:41of nations in Genesis 10 and of course the incident of Babel.
- 4:45This is where we actually see the origins of distinct people
- 4:48groups. This is where ethnicity enters
- 4:50the biblical narrative. After the flood, you have Noah's
- 4:52family, just eight people. That's a massive genetic
- 4:55bottleneck. From there, Genesis 10 describes
- 4:58the branching out families, languages, lands.
- 5:01We often view Babel purely as a judgement.
- 5:03God confuses the languages to stop their rebellion.
- 5:06But there seems to be a redemptive purpose in that
- 5:08scattering, isn't there? Oh, there is, and Paul connects
- 5:11the dots for us in Acts 17.26. It's one of the most significant
- 5:15texts for understanding a biblical philosophy of history.
- 5:18Paul says he made from one man every nation of mankind to live
- 5:22on all the face of the earth, and then he gives the purpose
- 5:24clause. He says God determined their
- 5:26appointed periods and the boundaries of their dwelling
- 5:28place. So that and there's the purpose
- 5:31they should seek God and perhaps feel their way toward him and
- 5:34find Him. Wow.
- 5:36That completely reframes the existence of nations.
- 5:39God didn't invent distinct cultures just because he likes
- 5:42variety. He used the separation of
- 5:44peoples as a divine strategy. It was a strategy.
- 5:47The scattering was to prevent a united, monolithic rebellion
- 5:50against him like we saw at Babel, and to create a context
- 5:53where people would realize their need for him.
- 5:56It's theological, not just sociological.
- 5:59God uses geography and even cultural limitation to drive men
- 6:03to seek him. But then the story shifts gears
- 6:06dramatically. God stops dealing with mankind
- 6:10in the aggregate and zooms in on one specific individual.
- 6:13Genesis 12, the call of Abram. This is the moment of election.
- 6:17And to understand how radical this is, you have to understand
- 6:20the ancient Near East. In Abrams world.
- 6:22If you ask someone, who are you? What is your nation?
- 6:25Their answer relied on three pillars.
- 6:27I'm going to guess those pillars are land, language, and blood.
- 6:30That's exactly correct. A nation in the ancient world
- 6:33was defined by owning a specific territory, speaking the language
- 6:37of that territory, and sharing a genetic ancestry with the people
- 6:40in that territory. Those were the anchors of
- 6:42identity. And God systematically strips
- 6:45every single one of those away from Avram.
- 6:47It's a total deconstruction of identity.
- 6:49First, the land. God tells him, Go from your
- 6:53country to the land that I will show you.
- 6:56So Abram becomes a sojourner. He never really owns the land in
- 6:59a political sense during his lifetime.
- 7:01He buys a burial plot that's about.
- 7:03It right, but otherwise he's a nomad living in tents.
- 7:06He loses his geographic security.
- 7:09This is a detailed Callahan highlights that we often miss
- 7:12Abram starts in UR the Chaldeans he likely grew up speaking
- 7:16Acadian or a dialect of it. Then he moves to her on probably
- 7:20picking up Aramaic. Then he moves to Canaan.
- 7:23And to survive and trade there, he has to learn the Canaanite
- 7:26dialects. Which eventually evolve into
- 7:28what we call Hebrew. So Hebrew is essentially A
- 7:31Canaanite dialect. Abram doesn't have a holy
- 7:33language that he was born with. He's a linguistic immigrant,
- 7:36doesn't have a mother tongue that anchors his identity in the
- 7:39way his neighbors did. OK.
- 7:40And then the third pillar, genetics.
- 7:42This has to be the big one. This is the most critical point.
- 7:45Abraham wasn't genetically distinct from his father Tara or
- 7:48his brother Nahor who stayed behind.
- 7:50There was no Jewish gene in ur. God created the Hebrew people X
- 7:55Nilo out of nothing. Wow.
- 7:58He took one man and said, I will make you a great nation.
- 8:02So the Hebrew identity is a constructed identity.
- 8:04It's a covenantal construct. It is based entirely on God's
- 8:08sovereign choice, not on superior DNA.
- 8:11And we see this reinforced almost immediately in the
- 8:13narrative. Look at the immediate
- 8:15descendants. Ishmael is Abraham's son.
- 8:17Genetically, he is the seed of Abraham.
- 8:20But he is not the child of the promise.
- 8:22Exactly. Then look at the next generation
- 8:23Jacob and Esau twins. You can't get more genetically
- 8:27similar than that. And yet the word is Jacob.
- 8:30I loved. Esau I hated.
- 8:32If ethnicity or bloodline were the primary definer of God's
- 8:35people, Esau is just as Hebrew as Jacob.
- 8:37Of course, But he isn't. Romans 9 makes that argument to
- 8:41show that election depends on God who calls, not on human
- 8:44descent. And this permeable boundary,
- 8:46where blood isn't enough to get you in and lack of blood isn't
- 8:49enough to keep you out, continues even after Israel
- 8:53becomes a nation. Think about the Exodus.
- 8:55We tend to picture this uniform column of Israelites marching
- 8:58out, but Exodus 12.38 tells us a mixed multitude went up with
- 9:03them. A mixed multitude.
- 9:04Egyptians, Nubians, other Semitic laborers, anyone who
- 9:07sought the plagues and realized Yahweh is the true God, I'm
- 9:10going with him. They marched out, they stood at
- 9:12Sinai and they entered the covenant.
- 9:14They were absorbed into Israel. And the ultimate example of
- 9:16this, the one that really challenges the idea of racial
- 9:18purity, is a prerequisite for God's favor, has to be Ruth.
- 9:21Ruth is the unanswerable argument here.
- 9:23I mean, we have to remember the context.
- 9:26The Moabites weren't just foreigners.
- 9:27They were the result of Lot's incest.
- 9:29They were enemies. Deuteronomy 23.3 is explicit.
- 9:33No Ammonite or Moabite shall enter the assembly of the Lord.
- 9:36Even to the 10th generation. That sounds like a hard racial
- 9:41barrier, a wall that cannot be climbed.
- 9:43It certainly sounds that way. And yet here is Ruth.
- 9:46She abandons her people. She abandons her gods.
- 9:48She looks at Naomi and makes that famous confession.
- 9:51Your people shall be my people and your God, my God.
- 9:54And God doesn't just tolerate her, he weaves her into the
- 9:57lineage of the King. She becomes the great
- 9:59grandmother of David. She is in the genealogy of Jesus
- 10:02Christ in Matthew chapter 1. If ethnicity or DNA were the
- 10:05primary definer of God's people, the Messiah's lineage would be
- 10:09legally impure. But it isn't.
- 10:11Why? Because the definition of an
- 10:12Israelite was ultimately about covenant faithfulness, not just
- 10:15bloodline. OK, I want to push back on this
- 10:18a little bit, playing devil's advocate, because there are
- 10:20texts that seem to go the other way.
- 10:22We have to talk about Ezra and Nehemiah.
- 10:24The texts of terror, as some modern scholars call them.
- 10:27It really makes modern one reader squirm.
- 10:30You have the post exile community returning to
- 10:32Jerusalem. They realize the men have
- 10:35married foreign women, and Ezra and Nehemiah, well, they don't
- 10:39just suggest counseling. They command these men to
- 10:42divorce their wives and send them away.
- 10:44It is a brutal scene. There's weeping, there's
- 10:46trembling in the square. It's intense.
- 10:48And frankly, if you read that with 21st century Western eyes,
- 10:52it looks like ethnic cleansing. It looks like rampant
- 10:55xenophobia. You have commentators today, you
- 10:57say, well, Ezra was just a racist or this is a mistake in
- 11:00the Bible. But Callahan argues we have to
- 11:02defend Ezra and Nehemiah here. We can't view this through a
- 11:05modern racial lens. We have to ask, what was the
- 11:07motivation? Was it about skin color?
- 11:09No, Ezra 9.1 lists the issue right at the start.
- 11:13The people of Israel have not separated themselves from the
- 11:16peoples of the lands with their abominations.
- 11:19Abominations. That's the keyword.
- 11:21It wasn't about the DNA of the wives, it was about the idolatry
- 11:24they brought with them. Israel had just spent 70 years
- 11:27in exile specifically because of idolatry.
- 11:30They are back in the land by the mercy of God, and now these
- 11:34marriages are reintroducing the very spiritual poison that
- 11:38destroyed them before. It was a matter of spiritual
- 11:40survival. It was an existential survival
- 11:42issue. And Nehemiah, 13, points out a
- 11:44really practical aspect too. It says the children spoke the
- 11:48language of Ashdod and could not speak the language of Judah.
- 11:51That's significant. If the next generation loses
- 11:54Hebrew, they lose access to the Torah.
- 11:56They can't read the word of God. Exactly.
- 11:58So the threat wasn't racial mixing in a biological sense.
- 12:01The threat was the erasure of the Covenant community and the
- 12:04loss of the messianic hope. Telling him makes a very
- 12:07technical distinction here that I think helps clarify this.
- 12:09He talks about the difference between a holy seed and a holy
- 12:12race S Yes, this is a crucial linguistic detail.
- 12:16The Hebrew word used in Ezra 9.2 is 0, which means seed.
- 12:21It is not the word for race or species.
- 12:23It links directly back to the Abrahamic promise in Genesis
- 12:27that through his seed all nations would be blessed.
- 12:30And Paul tells us in Galatians 3.1 C explicitly he does not say
- 12:33and to seeds referring to many, but referring to 1 and to your
- 12:37seed, who is Christ. That is the connection.
- 12:40The protection of the holy seed in Ezra wasn't about maintaining
- 12:43A purebred ethnic group for the sake of national pride.
- 12:46It was about protecting the specific lineage that would
- 12:48deliver the Messiah. The messy, idolatrous syncretism
- 12:51of those marriages threaten the clarity of the messianic line.
- 12:54So it was never about racial purity, it was about messianic
- 12:58preservation. Precisely.
- 13:01And we know this isn't just us spinning the text, because in
- 13:03the very same book, Ezra 6.21, we see a loophole if you will.
- 13:08It mentions Gentiles who separated themselves from the
- 13:10uncleanness of the nations and joined Israel.
- 13:13They were allowed to eat the Passover.
- 13:15Wait. So if a Gentile turned away from
- 13:17their idols and committed to Yahweh, they were allowed in.
- 13:19Yes, even in the strict time of Ezra, if they separated from the
- 13:23uncleanness, the moral and spiritual impurity, they could
- 13:27join. But the foreign wives in Ezra
- 13:2910, while they refused to abandon their abominations,
- 13:32That's the difference. You could become part of the
- 13:34covenant people through faith and repentance.
- 13:36You couldn't become a different race, but you could switch your
- 13:39covenant allegiance. That completely dismantles the
- 13:41accusation of racism. It reinforces that the
- 13:44boundaries were always moral and theological.
- 13:46And this theme just continues into the prophets.
- 13:48If Israel thought their ethnicity gave them some kind of
- 13:51special security, the prophets shatter that illusion.
- 13:54Seven. I have it marked here.
- 13:57Are you not as the sons of Ethiopia to me, O sons of
- 13:59Israel? Imagine the shock of hearing
- 14:01that you're an Israelite. You have the temple, the
- 14:03history, the food laws. You pride yourself on being
- 14:07distinct. And God says to me, you're just
- 14:10like the Kushites. You're just like the
- 14:12Philistines. He equates them with their
- 14:14enemies and with distant Pagan nations because they had
- 14:17abandoned the covenant. The take away is stark.
- 14:20Ethnic identity offers no shield against divine judgement.
- 14:24God is not impressed by your lineage.
- 14:27But there's a flip side to this judgement, isn't there?
- 14:29Callahan points out a really surprising twist in Isaiah 19.
- 14:32The oracles against the nations are usually just lists of doom.
- 14:35Woe to Babylon, Woe to Egypt. Right.
- 14:37But Isaiah 19 ends in a place that no Israelite would have
- 14:40ever predicted. God is speaking about the
- 14:42future, the Messianic Age, and he says blessed be Egypt my
- 14:46people, and Assyria the work of my hands, and Israel my
- 14:49inheritance. Calling Egypt my people.
- 14:51That title was exclusive to Israel.
- 14:54And Assyria. The Assyrians were the brutal,
- 14:57violent oppressors of the ancient world.
- 15:00Yet God envisions a day where his claim extends over the most
- 15:03hostile Pagan nations. It's a foreshadowing that
- 15:07redemptive history is moving toward God, claiming people from
- 15:10every single background as his own.
- 15:11Which leads us perfectly into the New Testament and the
- 15:14establishment of the Church. This is where Callahan uses that
- 15:17phrase, one holy race. Here we see the shift.
- 15:20In the Old Testament, the covenant sign was circumcision,
- 15:23a physical mark on the flesh of the males of one specific ethnic
- 15:27group. But the New Testament shifts the
- 15:29focus entirely to the heart. Romans 2.29 But a Jew is 1
- 15:33inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart by the
- 15:36Spirit, not by the letter. The new sign of the covenant
- 15:39isn't a physical surgery or a genealogy.
- 15:42It's the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
- 15:44And Acts 2 makes it crystal clear the Spirit is poured out
- 15:47on all flesh. This brings us to the main
- 15:49conflict in the early church. We can't understand the New
- 15:52Testament without understanding the Judaizers.
- 15:54The Judaizers were the first great threat to the Gospel.
- 15:57They were a faction of early Christians who essentially said,
- 16:00yes, believe in Jesus. That's great, but you also need
- 16:03to become Jewish. They wanted to keep the training
- 16:05wheels on. They insisted on maintaining the
- 16:07ethnic distinctions, circumcision, dietary laws, the
- 16:10calendar as necessary for salvation.
- 16:14They were trying to rebuild the wall of partition that Christ
- 16:16had already torn down. And Paul goes nuclear on them.
- 16:19He does in Galatians. He doesn't just disagree with
- 16:22them, He calls it a different gospel.
- 16:24He says let them be anathema cursed.
- 16:27Why? Because by insisting on ethnic
- 16:29markers, they were adding to the finished work of Christ.
- 16:32They were saying the cross wasn't enough.
- 16:34You also need this cultural identity. 11 really sums up
- 16:37Paul's counter argument here. There is not Greek and Jew,
- 16:41circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave free,
- 16:46but Christ is all and in all. The categories are just
- 16:50obliterated. Not that people stop having a
- 16:52background. A Scythian didn't stop being
- 16:54from Scythia, but those backgrounds cease to be the
- 16:56basis of their standing before God.
- 16:58Now here's where Callahan pivots to the present day, and it gets
- 17:02really interesting. He introduces a term to describe
- 17:05a modern phenomenon in the church.
- 17:08He calls them the gentleizers. Yes, this is his modern
- 17:11application. If the Judaizers were people who
- 17:14insisted on Jewish ethnic identity as spiritually
- 17:17necessary, gentilizers are the modern mirror image.
- 17:21These are people, often within the Church, who insist on the
- 17:25ongoing spiritual relevance of ethnic identity or skin color
- 17:29consciousness. So anyone who says you need
- 17:31Jesus? Plus, you need to view
- 17:33everything through the lens of your racial identity.
- 17:35Exactly. Callahan argues that rebuilding
- 17:38those dividing walls that Christ tore down is a heresy,
- 17:41regardless of whether the wall is built of Jewish bricks or
- 17:44modern sociological bricks. If we start defining our
- 17:47spiritual communities by race or focusing on skin color as a
- 17:50primary identity marker within the body of Christ, we are
- 17:53acting just like the Judaizers. He uses pretty strong language
- 17:56here. He says any gospel that focuses
- 17:58on skin color rather than the heart is a distraction from the
- 18:01cross. It is a distraction because it
- 18:04misdiagnoses the problem. The problem of humanity is sin,
- 18:08rebellion against a holy God, not power dynamics or systemic
- 18:12structures in the abstract. And the solution is the
- 18:16atonement, not sociological restructuring.
- 18:19When the Church adopts the world's obsession with race, it
- 18:22loses its prophetic voice. It does, and this leads us right
- 18:25to the mythological implications.
- 18:27If we are sending missionaries out into the world, what does
- 18:31this theology actually mean for them?
- 18:33Yeah, on the ground it means the missionary must oppose skin
- 18:37color conscious religion wherever they find it.
- 18:40Callam defines this religion is one that looks at the outward
- 18:42appearance, which First Samuel 16.7 tells us God does not do.
- 18:46It defines relationships by power and collective guilt
- 18:49rather than personal sin and personal repentance.
- 18:52He introduces this concept of color irrelevance.
- 18:55Now we need to be careful with this term because I can hear the
- 18:57objections already. You're saying be colorblind.
- 18:59You're ignoring my culture. You're saying my background
- 19:01doesn't matter, right? And Callahan clarifies this
- 19:04distinction. Color irrelevance is not color
- 19:06blindness. Color blindness is pretending
- 19:08you don't see that someone is from Nigeria or Japan.
- 19:12That's just foolishness. Of course we see culture.
- 19:14We need to understand culture to communicate.
- 19:17So what is color irrelevance then?
- 19:19It means. Believing that color is
- 19:21irrelevant to 1. Standing before God and one's
- 19:24status in the church. The gospel is color irrelevant
- 19:27because it saves irrespective of ethnicity.
- 19:30It doesn't need to check your DNA to see if you qualify for
- 19:33grace. O Practically for a missionary,
- 19:36this means they shouldn't let their own whiteness or blackness
- 19:40or whatever it is to find their message.
- 19:41Exactly. A missionary shouldn't feel
- 19:43guilty for their color, nor should they feel superior
- 19:45because of it. It is simply a biological fact,
- 19:48not a theological 1. And practically, Callahan says,
- 19:51this means we have to evaluate who we partner with.
- 19:53Oh, that's interesting. He says we need to separate from
- 19:55organizations that promote ethnocentrism, whether that's
- 19:58old school racism or this new gentleizer ideology that
- 20:02obsessively categorizes people by race.
- 20:05That is a tough stance. It implies walking away from
- 20:08potential partnerships, funding, or networks if they're too
- 20:11focused on race for the sake of gospel integrity.
- 20:14Yes, if a group is preaching that your primary identity is
- 20:18your race, they are preaching a different gospel.
- 20:21The Church is the one holy race. That's the title of the chapter
- 20:25first Peter 2.9. You are a chosen race, a royal
- 20:29priesthood, a holy nation. The Church is the race.
- 20:32That is the paradigm shift. We are not a collection of races
- 20:35trying to get along. We are a new race created by the
- 20:38Spirit, born again into a new bloodline, the blood of Christ.
- 20:42Our unity isn't something we achieve by trying really hard or
- 20:45holding workshops. It's a supernatural reality that
- 20:47we have to live into. As we wrap up this deep dive, I
- 20:50want to leave this with a thought to chew on.
- 20:52We started with Revelation 7, the gathered people of God.
- 20:55Think back to Genesis 11, the Tower of Babel.
- 20:57When humanity was united in rebellion.
- 20:59Right at Babel, they wanted to make a name for themselves.
- 21:01They were united, but they were centered on man.
- 21:04Today, if we focus on our earthly ethnicity as a primary
- 21:07identity marker, are we actually drifting back toward Babel?
- 21:10Are we trying to build a name for our group, our tribe, rather
- 21:14than being lost in the wonder of the Lamb?
- 21:16It's a dangerous temptation. Are we acting like the
- 21:19unbelieving nations who obsess over their boundary and
- 21:22bloodlines, or are we the redeemed people at Pentecost,
- 21:26where the Spirit transcends those barriers to proclaim the
- 21:29mighty works of God? That is the question and the
- 21:33answer determines the future of our missions and our churches.
- 21:35Thanks for joining us on this deep dive into Reformed
- 21:37thinking. We'll see you next time.