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NBA Offseason 🤯 | USMNT Advance But No Balogun | The Jaylen Brown -Celtics Breakup IS Odd · Independent N.I.C.

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  Speaker 1: just yet for your Warriors. Huh. I remember about like
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  Speaker 1: it was a done deal you had Draymond opting out,
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  Speaker 1: But thus far there is no.
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  Speaker 2: Lebron, no nothing yet. And honestly, the longer drags on,
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  Speaker 2: the less I think it's gonna happen. I know, I
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  Speaker 2: guess from what Shams will say in earlier today, it
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  Speaker 2: sounds like eighty is still part of this whole package
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  Speaker 2: deal the Wizards trading for DeAndre eight. And even though
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  Speaker 2: the Wizards said they're not trading eighty, the Wizard's trading
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  Speaker 2: for DeAndre and at least makes it a little more
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  Speaker 2: believable than it could be believable and doable, but you
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  Speaker 2: never know what these teams. This league is so unpredictable.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, obviously we saw and we're gonna get into
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  Speaker 2: this as well, the whole trade yesterday. But yeah, that
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  Speaker 2: was crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, it's just a crazy NBA off season thus far.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, some seismic moves that we will get into.
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  Speaker 1: First and foremost off the top, we have to talk
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  Speaker 1: about the longest tenured nick no longer being a Nick,
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  Speaker 1: Mitchell Robinson. You know, he's a guy who we've watched grow.
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  Speaker 1: He's a guy who we've watched become a very impactful
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  Speaker 1: player where he didn't even play college ball and came
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  Speaker 1: in very, very raw. And we've been through our ups
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  Speaker 1: and our downs. There's the tap dunks, there's the unbelievable
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  Speaker 1: offensive rebounding, and then there's the free throws and the
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  Speaker 1: inability to do anything else offensively. But yeah, Mitchell Robinson
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  Speaker 1: no longer with the Knicks. And obviously this is something
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  Speaker 1: that many people thought might happen this offseason. People said
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  Speaker 1: it was likely once we went ahead and resigned Landry Shammitt,
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  Speaker 1: that Mitchell Robinson would not end up returning. He goes
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  Speaker 1: and he gets an average of about sixteen million dollars
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  Speaker 1: a year. The problem and the issue is where he
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  Speaker 1: goes Mitchell Robinson to the Celtics. That was a tough
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  Speaker 1: one man, go out west somewhere. Dog. I get it,
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  Speaker 1: you gotta get paid, but not to the Celtics.
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  Speaker 3: Man.
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  Speaker 1: I you know, it's gonna be really tough to watch
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  Speaker 1: him in that jersey of all jerseys, one of my
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  Speaker 1: least favorite in all of the NBA, in all of sports.
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  Speaker 1: And it's going to be interesting having to face him
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  Speaker 1: at least four times a year plus a playoff series.
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  Speaker 1: Most likely if we play them four times this year,
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  Speaker 1: even if Mitch is healthy, he'll only play in you know,
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  Speaker 1: two maybe three of those games. I said last week
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  Speaker 1: that I thought that Mitch going out and gets starter's money,
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  Speaker 1: which I don't know. Maybe they're looking to bring him
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  Speaker 1: off the bench because they also what's the name of
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  Speaker 1: the center they they're the guy that they just resigned
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  Speaker 1: as well.
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  Speaker 2: Unimus Kieta is like a third or fourth year guy
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  Speaker 2: out of YU. That dude you know, seven foot or
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  Speaker 2: he is a beast.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he looks very good thus far, and it seems
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  Speaker 1: like he will be their center and they're looking for
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  Speaker 1: Mitch to just come off the bench and if they can,
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  Speaker 1: if the Celtics have the mindset that we are going
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  Speaker 1: to not play him in back to backs, and we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna give him a couple of times throughout the season
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  Speaker 1: where we give him, you know, maybe three four games
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  Speaker 1: in the row off, and they're looking around that sixty
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  Speaker 1: game you know, sixty games at about somewhere between fifteen
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  Speaker 1: to twenty minutes. Hey, then Mitch is great at that.
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  Speaker 1: We know he's fantastic at that. Unfortunately, the Knicks just
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  Speaker 1: it couldn't happen in the new collective bargaining agreement and
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  Speaker 1: wanting to continue to stay under that second apron. Again,
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  Speaker 1: that is not, in my opinion, a Dolan trying to
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  Speaker 1: save money thing. That is a Nicks trying to be
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  Speaker 1: have some maneuverability and some flexibility throughout next season. Everybody
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  Speaker 1: talks about the second apron, nobody spends any time actually
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  Speaker 1: sitting down and reading what the second apron means. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I think that at the end of the day, Mitch
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  Speaker 1: was a great Nick. Him leaving it does like hit
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  Speaker 1: me on a sentimental level. I do also think though,
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  Speaker 1: that he is somebody that you know, he just kind
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  Speaker 1: of outgrew the role in the spot that he was
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  Speaker 1: on this team, and he kind of needs to go
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  Speaker 1: on and kind of spread his wings a little bit more.
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  Speaker 1: I just don't know if physically he's capable. I wish
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  Speaker 1: him all the best for sure. Now when it comes
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  Speaker 1: to the Knicks, I'm trying really hard to just enjoy
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  Speaker 1: being a champ in this entire offseason. You know, I
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  Speaker 1: got I'm I'm constantly checking my email and you know,
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  Speaker 1: checking my Apple wallet to see, you know, when things
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  Speaker 1: are being delivered. We got a couple of things on
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  Speaker 1: the way. I did just get this yesterday. My son says,
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  Speaker 1: it's the greatest shirt he's ever said. My pops looked
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  Speaker 1: at me and said, man, that's a good shirt. And
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  Speaker 1: for him, that's about the greatest most praise you'll ever get.
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  Speaker 1: So he says that. And uh, I had another guy
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  Speaker 1: who I saw out in out in the world yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: I live in Arizona, so it's not like everybody is
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  Speaker 1: draped to Nick Gar like when I was back East
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  Speaker 1: for the parade. But I see this guy out who
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  Speaker 1: him and our kids go to the same school. So
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  Speaker 1: we talk in the pickup line. He's a big Lakers fan.
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  Speaker 1: He said they gentrified his starting lineup. We'll talk about
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  Speaker 1: that here in a little bit. But he was like,
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  Speaker 1: he looked at me. He hadn't seen me since school
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  Speaker 1: in it, so he hadn't seen me since we won.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, he obviously knows I'm a Nick Fann
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  Speaker 1: and he's like, yo, man, congratulations brother. I thought about you, man.
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  Speaker 1: You know, we were talking about the parade, talking about
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  Speaker 1: me meeting Spree and Kirk, and he was looked at
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  Speaker 1: my shirt. He's like, that's that's a hype shirt right there.
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  Speaker 1: Let me check you out toward the force. If you
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  Speaker 1: go on my on my ex at Independent Nick, there
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  Speaker 1: is me on there. There's a post I made with
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  Speaker 1: this shirt and in the comments and people asked about
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  Speaker 1: about where to get it, so I threw the link
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  Speaker 1: in there. So if you're toward deforce, man, toward deforce,
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  Speaker 1: y'all need to you'll need to sponsor me. Man, I'm
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  Speaker 1: out here promoting your gear for free. But yeah, no,
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  Speaker 1: it's a hype shirt. So well made shirts, comfy shirt,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, good shirt, so uh hype
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  Speaker 1: about that. But uh yeah, man, Mitch just you know
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  Speaker 1: the Mitch era is over. Man, it's disappointing. I love Mitch,
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  Speaker 1: I really do, I see, but already with the whole
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  Speaker 1: the whole angle where after you know, he on one
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  Speaker 1: of his posts og put like a crying uh tear
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  Speaker 1: moji and he said, yeah, man, I didn't want to leave.
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  Speaker 1: Hopefully the whole story will come out at some point.
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  Speaker 1: See Mitch, all right, now now you' the op. Now
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  Speaker 1: you really becoming the OP when you start talking like that.
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  Speaker 1: First and foremost you already went to the fucking Celtics.
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  Speaker 1: We could have done without that, but maybe they were
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  Speaker 1: the ones that were offering you most money. Joe Missoula,
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  Speaker 1: if you remember, talked so highly of Mitch so uh
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  Speaker 1: that you know, it doesn't surprise me that he would
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  Speaker 1: probably push hard to get him in the building. But
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  Speaker 1: now you're over there and now you're you know, you
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  Speaker 1: kind of kind of talking slick shit, my man. Cody
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  Speaker 1: glock On on Knicks Fan's TV. Cody glock Man, Friend
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  Speaker 1: of the show. Uh, he was on Knicks Fan's TV,
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  Speaker 1: closing it out as he always does so well, and
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  Speaker 1: he was saying, how like you know, he used to say, Mitchie,
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  Speaker 1: no snitchy. Now Mitchie is the snitchy now, Mitch, he's
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  Speaker 1: the guy who's you know, like you know, like dry
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  Speaker 1: snitched and saying some slick shit on his way out.
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  Speaker 1: I don't like that. I don't like that. And listen,
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  Speaker 1: when you go out and you break your hand on
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  Speaker 1: the eve of the finals with an injury that is
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  Speaker 1: commonly called a boxer's fracture, that still is a in
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  Speaker 1: a midst of secrecy. When you go out and you
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  Speaker 1: do that right before the finals, there might be a
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  Speaker 1: chance that the Knicks, it wasn't that he was too expensive,
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  Speaker 1: but that Leon Rose and the organization felt we just
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  Speaker 1: we're not gonna bring this guy back. He can't hit
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  Speaker 1: a free throw no matter how much we work with
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  Speaker 1: him on it. You know, you allow him to totally.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, there was times in the playoffs where our
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  Speaker 1: offense was rolling at like a historic level and the
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  Speaker 1: only thing that could slow us down was getting out
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  Speaker 1: of rhythm because every single time we're coming down and
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  Speaker 1: watching miss Brick two free throws. And so there's a
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  Speaker 1: chance that the Knicks just said, hey, this is a well,
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  Speaker 1: you know, hey, thank you for your services. Got yourself
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  Speaker 1: a ring, Go get yourself some money, you know, but
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna move on now. If that's the case. The
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  Speaker 1: thing I do not understand, and and and and I again,
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  Speaker 1: I trust Leon Rose. I trust that we're gonna end
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  Speaker 1: up with the backup center who can protect the rim
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  Speaker 1: and get some rebounds. Uh. Right now, the market is
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  Speaker 1: slim to non existent. Don't talk to me about, you know,
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  Speaker 1: drumming the corpse of Andre Drummond. We don't need that.
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  Speaker 1: And please please make me understand why we trade draft
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  Speaker 1: centers and trade them away and give up all our
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  Speaker 1: draft picks. If the plan was to not keep Mitch,
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  Speaker 1: then that to me, I have a hard time understanding it.
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  Speaker 1: But I trust in the don Okay, I trust that
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  Speaker 1: Leon has this figured out and it's gonna, you know,
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  Speaker 1: do something, some sort of maneuvering. But you know, we'll see.
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  Speaker 1: Other than that, the Knicks have pretty much kept the
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  Speaker 1: band back together. I'm seeing. You know, Brunson is already
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  Speaker 1: back working out strength and conditioning. You know, Josh Hard
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  Speaker 1: is out in Europe enjoying himself doing his thing. Cat
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  Speaker 1: and his woman are at the White Party, you know,
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  Speaker 1: having a good time with you know, a list celebrities,
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  Speaker 1: and it's good to be a Nick right now. Man,
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  Speaker 1: it's good to be a Nick.
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  Speaker 2: It is.
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  Speaker 1: It's good to be a Nick. It's good to be
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  Speaker 1: a champion. It feels. I still can't believe how good
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  Speaker 1: it feels. I really can't. It's been three weeks and
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  Speaker 1: I am still on an unbelievable high. I'm still watching
• 10:38
  Speaker 1: all of the videos. There's certain plays like the og
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  Speaker 1: tip in display. I've watched like eight different versions of
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  Speaker 1: that that almost brought a tear to my eye. You
• 10:50
  Speaker 1: just got to put it to a different song and
• 10:51
  Speaker 1: have the beat drop right as the ball goes in,
• 10:53
  Speaker 1: and it's just like it does. It's a formula that
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  Speaker 1: can't miss it. It's amazing. Every single Thank you, Nick,
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  Speaker 1: thank you so much. I am going to not just
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  Speaker 1: be one of these people who bugs out about, oh,
• 11:07
  Speaker 1: we don't have a center and thetis and that and
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  Speaker 1: blah blah blah. But we are going to turn back
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  Speaker 1: to them a little bit later when we talk about
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  Speaker 1: a certain someone and their possible destinations and why or
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  Speaker 1: why not they are a good idea. I gotta jump
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  Speaker 1: into Jalen Brown getting traded from the Celtics to the
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  Speaker 1: Philadelphia seventy six ers for Paul George and a pick
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  Speaker 1: in like twenty eight and a pick in thirty one.
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  Speaker 1: I I, you know, I realize sometimes that personality matters,
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  Speaker 1: and we all know that Jalen Brown is very unapologetically himself.
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  Speaker 1: Whether that's a personality that you like or dislike, you know,
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  Speaker 1: obviously that's for everybody to make their own decision personally.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like this is one of the most fascinating
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  Speaker 1: and perplexing NBA trades that I've ever seen. You know,
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  Speaker 1: the people that I know that are Celtics fans, There's
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  Speaker 1: two in particular that I know really well and that
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  Speaker 1: I'm in, you know, a group chat with it with
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  Speaker 1: both of them not in the same but they both
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  Speaker 1: are just absolutely livid. I don't see any Celtics fans
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  Speaker 1: online that are like, wow, this is a good trade
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  Speaker 1: if we were gonna get rid of Jalen Brown, which
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  Speaker 1: seemed inevitable once the package for the Yiannis trade became
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  Speaker 1: or at least proposal became so public, and so now
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  Speaker 1: you give them up for Paul George playoff p Yo.
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  Speaker 1: First of all, the only person that's ever been able
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  Speaker 1: to give themselves a nickname and at work is Kobe
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  Speaker 1: with the black Mamba and playoff p You know, you
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  Speaker 1: gotta you gotta really perform in the playoffs before you
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  Speaker 1: want to call yourself some shit like that. Like like
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  Speaker 1: if Brunton decided to call himself, you know, the big
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  Speaker 1: shot Brunson or some shit like that. Right now, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: he got it, he got it, but uh, he's not
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  Speaker 1: gonna do that now, Brunson gets down. But playoff p
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  Speaker 1: is a tough one, and dude, first of all, stay
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  Speaker 1: off the peds. Second of all, this is a tough
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  Speaker 1: tough one to sell in my opinion, because Jalen Brown
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  Speaker 1: second team All NBA, he was Finals MVP two years ago.
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  Speaker 1: He led that team to the second seed without Jason
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  Speaker 1: Tatum for most of the entire season what was supposed
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  Speaker 1: to be like a throwaway year. A lot of people
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  Speaker 1: were saying, and you give this guy up for Paul
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  Speaker 1: George and some picks down the line. It's not even
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  Speaker 1: like the pics are like close and immediate. I just
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  Speaker 1: don't get that, man. I Okay, So to me, something
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  Speaker 1: is very clear here. Okay, this is not this is
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  Speaker 1: not this Trait wasn't about basketball. I you know, there's
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  Speaker 1: all these different talks about the analytics. He's the seventh
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  Speaker 1: best player on the team that you know, Derek White
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  Speaker 1: had a better year than he did last year when
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  Speaker 1: he shot like the lowest percentages he ever has. You know,
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: as Josh Hart says, analytics are like a light pole
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  Speaker 1: if you're drunk. You can lean on it, but it
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  Speaker 1: won't get you home. Actually, I think I got that right.
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  Speaker 1: Halfway through. I was like, I'm definitely gonna mess this up,
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  Speaker 1: but I think that no good.
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  Speaker 2: I gotta I gotta jump in here and give you
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  Speaker 2: the give you the exact quote. The quote was analytic
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  Speaker 2: a like a white post to a drunk person. You
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  Speaker 2: can lean on them, they will not bring you home.
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  Speaker 1: There you go, There you go. That was pretty close.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, Josh, he's one of the better interviews in
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  Speaker 1: post games in the NBA. Jaylen Brown man, Yo, So
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  Speaker 1: to me, it's very clear that this is about wanting
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  Speaker 1: to give Tatum the reins. This is about wanting the
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  Speaker 1: lead and the singular personality that this team takes upon
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  Speaker 1: them to be Jason Tatum's. Now, these people are around
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  Speaker 1: Jason Tatum all the time, so obviously they are around
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  Speaker 1: Brown for his entire career as well, so they made
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  Speaker 1: this choice, and they clearly feel that that's the way
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  Speaker 1: to go. I personally, listen. Another thing about this is
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  Speaker 1: that Jason, It's not like Jason Tatum was like running
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  Speaker 1: to the front office and screaming and saying absolutely not,
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  Speaker 1: you can't get rid of my guy. This, this is
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: my guy, this is my No, that's not the case.
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  Speaker 1: If that was the case, he would still be there.
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  Speaker 1: Jason Tatum at the very least said all right, well,
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  Speaker 1: you guys gotta do what you gotta do. And to me,
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  Speaker 1: it almost seems as if he was in the office
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  Speaker 1: saying like, hey, I think we need to go in
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  Speaker 1: a new direction. I really do, I really do. Obviously,
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  Speaker 1: that's a that's totally just you know, hearsay and me,
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  Speaker 1: you know, coming up with my own theory on it.
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  Speaker 1: But like, I just don't see a way that this
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  Speaker 1: all goes so bad that you need to give up. You're,
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  Speaker 1: if not best player, your second best player? Who I
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  Speaker 1: mean he was? How often are you just trying your
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  Speaker 1: best to just get off of a guy who was
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  Speaker 1: second team NBA the previous year. That's crazy, Top five
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  Speaker 1: and MVP voting. I don't understand that. It's really really
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  Speaker 1: hard for me to understand. And I believe that this
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  Speaker 1: is clearly a personality thing. You know, I heard said
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  Speaker 1: he talked to a couple of people and they talk
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  Speaker 1: about how he's got this disease where he always feels
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  Speaker 1: like he's the smartest person in the in the in
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  Speaker 1: the room. And I loved his his uh, his reply
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  Speaker 1: Jayalen Brown, when he said, yeah, well, I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 1: if we're talking about people in sports, I mean the
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  Speaker 1: bar is pretty low. You know. I love how unapology
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  Speaker 1: jellically him that dude is. I can't they yo, they NBA,
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  Speaker 1: you absolutely positively have to make Game one next season,
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  Speaker 1: Sixers at Celtics has to be and Jaylen Brown, he's
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  Speaker 1: either gonna walk in looking like a black panther or
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: he's gonna walk in look it with like a koofy on,
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  Speaker 1: like you know, like a like a devout Muslim, and
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  Speaker 1: he's going to drop seventy five points. I really think
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  Speaker 1: that he's gonna be pointing and talking shit in Tatum's girl.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god, man, I yo, I that guy. I'm
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  Speaker 1: telling you watch he's about to have a huge year.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: And this is okay, a couple of things I don't
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: love Jayalen Brown's game, and I don't like him because
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  Speaker 1: he's always talking shit to the Knicks and like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: needling the Knicks and social media and shit like that.
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  Speaker 1: So it's not even like I'm a big Jayalen Brown fan.
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  Speaker 1: I like that the I like how intelligent he is,
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  Speaker 1: and I like the fact that he's willing to step
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  Speaker 1: up and speak up on things that are important to
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  Speaker 1: him and his people. I do like that about him.
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  Speaker 1: You know, being that guy in Boston. It ain't the
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: easiest thing in the world to do. And you know
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: the fact that even though his play was so stellar
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: on the court, but yet he still got traded away
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: for you know, playoff p and a bag of beans.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: I don't know if that's a I don't know if
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: that's a coincidence or not. I really don't, but it
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: definitely makes you think. And he's he's about to have
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: a revenge. I think he's gonna have a good year.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: And Philly, all of a sudden, they just seem like
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: they're signing everybody. They got him, they got in forty Simons,
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: they got a party. Yeah, Philly is cleaning up. They're
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: they're they're really going for it. You could see, you know,
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: get Darryl Moury out of there, and now they're really
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: going for it and they're gonna be a foe. The
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: other thing is is that again same thing with my
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: guy Mitch going to the Celtics. Now the Celtics they
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: get Jayleen Brown, but they don't even get him out
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: of the fucking division. Yo. That's the other You you sent
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: him to a place you got to play in four
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: times a year, and as a Knicks fan in that
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: same division, both of those players when they moved, I
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: was hoping that they'd go far away and I could
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: see him twice. Yeah. The Uh, Philly to me has
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: made the biggest come up on the East or even
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: more so than Miami. I think Miami, you know, obviously
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: they went out and got Giannis, who has potential to
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: be a top to five player if he's healthy. Uh,
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: the big if is there for sure. But for Philly,
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: you know, I think that they got a capable backup
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: in huck Porty for Joel Embiid because you know he's
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: gonna play forty five games at the most. And then
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: I think that obviously adding Jaylen Brown, I just wonder.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: I felt like last year, specifically in the playoffs, well
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: we're playing against them. I was happy that I wasn't
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: seeing it. Some of it has to do with McHale
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: Bridges and the way he plays defense, but I also
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: was kind of like, yo, like why isn't MAXI like
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: being more involved having a ball in his hands and
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: being more aggressive and trying to make things happen. I
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: felt like that in the playoffs last year, Edgecombe was
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: pretty much non existent. Adding Jalen Brown to that does that,
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: you know, does that dim their light even a little
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: bit more? You know, I wonder if that ends up
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: being something that is good for MAXI long term, because I,
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: if I'm if I'm the Sixers, I still need to
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: operate like, you know, like he's our guy. I give
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: him the keys, and you know, you're seeing certain teams.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: It seems like the Celtics are almost trying to go
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: like Nick's route of like Okay, we have this one,
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: like really good player and then we just put all
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: the pieces around him to amplify him and make him better,
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: and you know, we get it done that way, whereas
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: the Sixers are kind of trying to like a mass
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: you know, a big three to a certain extent Big four,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: so different routes. We'll see what works for who I
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: did see I forget exactly who it was, but somebody
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: tweeted that, you know, the Celtics are expecting are hoping
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: for a Pritchard to make a Jalen Brunson like leap.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: That's it's the funniest shit I've ever heard in my
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: entire life. I mean, listen, eate Bridge is a good player,
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: soab Larry. You know, he's a player who was good
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: in college but then obviously wasn't like a very high
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: draft pick what with bom Look up where he was picked.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: And it was a late first round or early second
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: out of.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: Oregon, gotcha, gotcha? Yeah, so good college basketball player, but
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: then you know he comes into the n b A
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: and you know, has made us made like a good
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: career for himself and made himself a legitimate impact player
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: for that team. Don't get me wrong, but even mentioning
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: his name in the same sentence as Dalen Brunson is ridiculous.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: And I think that uh oh, by the way, also, yeah,
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: as far as him being you know, having a Jaylen
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: Brunston like leap, he's a he's eight months older than
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: Jalen Brunson. So I wonder if that's real. I don't
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: think anybody at Boston could be that silly. What they're
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: hoping for is that Tatum like becomes like super saying
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: Tatum and just you know, becomes that guy Derek White,
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: his numbers kind of progress back to his typical mean
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: of percentage wise and then you know, they just become, uh,
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: you know, a team where they have that one centric
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: star and you know, guys being their best around him.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: And you know, Mitch Robinson, Joe Missoula, he coaches like
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: his big man specifically to hunt offensive rebounds and kick
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: him out for threes. Mitch is the best at that
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: in the world. So it could be a good fit
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: for Mitch. And you know, I like the fact that
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: they're not. It doesn't seem like they're gonna be asking
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: him to play. The Knicks made the blueprint of what
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: you need to get him through the end of the season.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: Just hope that he doesn't end up breaking his hand
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: right before the finals. But you'aly make it to the
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: finals anyway, because Nix and five.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: BO.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: When you saw the Jalen Brown trade, what was your
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: first thought.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: I didn't want to. I just want to make sure
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: Chopp wasn't get to jump off a bridge, but I
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: needed to jump in before the Jayalen Brown Pritchard went
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: twenty six overall in the twenty twenty draft. But no,
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: in reality, it was stunning because again, like you mentioned,
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: trade him in the division of all things, like first off,
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: that makes less than zero sense. Like the fact that
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: Portland didn't get involved when there was talk about them
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: being involved also made no sense to me. Apparently their
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: analytics guy said he wasn't great either and they pivoted
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: a jaw. So that was that was horrible. And then
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: just from the getting in Paul George as the return standpoint,
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, obviously that was kind of the matching salary
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: thing because you go back to the aprons, like when
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: you're in the second apron in the NBA, like you're
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: basically operating out of a straight jagget. You can't do anything. Yeah,
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: So that's that was basically probably the salary match. But
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: for I know you're gonna hate this part, but I'm
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: gonna say it anyway, The Celtics as a franchise who
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: had an illustrious history of clutch players in their time.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: Trading for one of the most unclutch players in their
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: time is so wild to me.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah. But you know what though, if you really want
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: to go the route of Tatum being the guy, then
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: you know Paul Pierce is gonna is gonna chill like
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: he's not. You know, he's not trying to be the guy.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: He's trying to, you know, knock down some threes. You know,
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: don't ask too much of him. It's just whether or
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: not he can stay on the floor, especially without the
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: PDS because you know they they pisstesting him on the
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: rack now now that he got popped, so you know,
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: if he's fucking around, he's gonna get caught. It's a
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: it's real hard man. Shout to my man Chop, shout
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: to my man aj. Both of them big Celtics fans
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: that I've known for quite some time, and both of
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: them are just sick, just sick. And I really haven't
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: seen like a like a even like on X, I
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: haven't seen anybody who's like a fan. I've seen Pete
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: like media people, analytics, nerds talking about how they want
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: to uh you know how they're talking about uh, you know,
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: how he wasn't that good of a player, and it's
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: actually a good trade for the Celtics, for the for
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: the Celtics, but every fan that I know is just
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: like absolutely disgusted. And this this analytics conversation currently is
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: getting very interesting, and like there's like all like this
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: whole thing about him and how good he is and
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: what front offices think about Jalen Brown and how and
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: how big the market was or was not because of
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: you know that. I also, like, again, I think his
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: personality and stuff he speaks up on. I think that
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: definitely plays a part too. I mean, listen, we we
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: you know Kaepernick shit wasn't that long ago. We know
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: for a fact that owners will all they don't want
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: nobody upset Apple Cart and there's certain ship that they
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: don't want you talking about and being extra vocal about
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: all the time. And I think that him being that
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: way already and then also afterwards starting to do that
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: podcast saying some shit like you know, oh this was uh,
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: you know, my best my my favorite season of all time,
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: those things, that's a I think that right there alone
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: might be the reason why he got traded. Like that
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: might have been like the straw that broke the camel's back.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: That made like I could see like Tatum coming in
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: and talking to the people and being like, Yo, what
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: the fuck, like you know what I'm saying? Like, And
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: also I think that if you're going to do like
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: a podcast as an NBA player, I think you gotta
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: be you know, somewhat careful. You can't get on there
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: like just like me and just you know, say whatever
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: the fuck you want. And there's certain things in certain
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: ways that I feel about things that I don't say
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: just because you know, I don't necessarily need to, you know,
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: share that more most intimate feelings with the world. But
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: at the end of the day, if you decide to
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: do that, you got to realize that you know, you
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: still representing the organization all the time, always, always, and
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: you know, shit that you say that has to do
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: with your team, your ownership, your front office is going
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: to be very, very scrutinized, and it has the potential
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: to negatively affect the overall feeling in the building. And
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: he clearly wasn't very concerned with that, and uh yeah, man,
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: it's it's unfortunate, unfortunate for I think Celtics fans, But
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: I think that it's actually going to be good for
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: him in a basketball sense because if he goes to
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: another team, he puts up this, if he has a
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: huge year next year, it's gonna be a it's gonna
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: be a great victory lab for him, and it's gonna
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: be you know, he's gonna get he's gonna get a
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: lot of acclaim and a lot of attention for it,
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: and he deserves it. If especially if he makes that happen,
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: and the Celtics, it's they better hope that things go
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: well next year because right now people are looking at
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: Brad Stevens like, you know, like he maybe that's a
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: body double because he was he used to be one
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: of the most respected GM's presidents whatever you know, in
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: the entire league, and right now everybody is scrutinizing and
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: questioning his decisions. So we'll see how that ends up
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: for him. But the whole conversation about the analytics versus
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: what your eyeballs see, I think it obviously has to
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: be a combination. I think that you're gutting your eyeballs
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: should overrule the analytics certain times. I think analytics analytics
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: help you form an overall plan and make like broad
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: observations and generalizations, but you have to stop and take
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: a second and you know, look at intangibles. I think
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: intangibles are just as valuable as measurables, and I think
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: that you have to have a mind that understands the
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: game to be able to see them. You know, we
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: talked about Josh Hart and his quote on analytics before.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Josh Hart is a perfect example of a guy who
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: is not an analytics darling. Decent shooter grabs a bunch
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: of rebounds. I'm sure there's something that measures like fifty
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: to fifty balls. He's probably great that. But you can't
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: look at his stats and say, Okay, this is the reason,
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: this is this this, this guy is this type of player. No,
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: you have to watch him and experience him and understand
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: the passion that he plays the game with and the
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: fervor that he plays with, and how that is is
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: necessary on your team. Mike Brown has said he's like,
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: you need one guy on your team who's kind of
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: like a nut, and that's good Josh is because he's
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: he's a fucking crazy person on the floor, and you
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: need a couple people like that. You need certain personalities,
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: you know, when you measure a guy and you look
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: at all of his stats, how are you going to
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: measure like the fact that Jose Alvarado is the guy
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: who is the first game he's on your team and
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: somebody tries to like stand over Mitch even though he's
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: the smallest guy on the floor, goes up and gets
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: in that guy's face and gets chest to chest with
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: him and make sure like nah man, it says, and
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: you read his lip, He's like, nah man, we ain't
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: doing that. We ain't doing that. And the Knicks were
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: in such terrible need of a guy like that. I
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: talked about it with my dad all the time. We
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: don't have anybody on our team now without like like
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: our last guys were like Julius and like Dante, but
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: we have nobody who's just gonna go and just get
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: right in somebody's face, like yo, chill the fuck out.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: You don't need nobody's fighting in today's NBA, but you
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: gotta have a guy who is willing to do that.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: Jose Alvarado in the playoffs, when Wemby's doing dirty shit,
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: grab fucking Wemby's leg and does some dirty shit to him.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: That's the only thing he can do to Wemby because
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: he's so small, is grabs his leg, but he did something.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: Sometimes you need a guy who's just gonna be like
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: just that guy. How do you how do you measure that?
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: In analytics? Jalen Brunson, How do you measure who he
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: is and what he gives you? When it comes to
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: the way he leads a team and the way he
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: makes all the big shots in the big moments. You
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: can't always measure that. You can't measure his heart. There's
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: no heart. Analytics. I think we rely on it a
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: little bit too much. I think that it's something that
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: is important, but I think, specifically in basketball and in baseball,
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: sometimes we rely on it too much. You know, run prevention,
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: and you know he's not that good of a first baseman,
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: and he's older and he's gonna fall off any Please,
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: somebody tell me why replacing Peter Alonzo was the move
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: and replacing him with Polanco who's played like four fucking games.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: But analytics. David Stearns loves his fucking analytics. How's that
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: working out for the Metropolitans right now? There has to
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: be sound baseball or basketball minds, people who watch and
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: understand the game, preferably, have played the game at least
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: at some level, coach the game at least at some level,
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: and they have to be making decisions depending on what
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: their eyeballs see. Analytics, those numbers, they are an equation.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: They don't paint a picture. To paint a picture, you
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: need art, you need things that are hard to explain.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: You need talent. Numbers don't lie, but they don't tell
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: the whole story. That's the problem. Bom. I know you're
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: a guy who definitely probably understands the analytics way more
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: than I do. How do you feel about, you know,
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: the current place that they pay, the current like, you know,
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: way that they affect the game and overall, like is
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: it too much? Is it just enough or is it
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: not enough?
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: I think it's too much personally, And I think, you know,
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: going back to the Sixers and Daryl Morey, I think
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: that has always been his fatal flaw as a ecuative.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: And if you go back to the Rockets Warriors series
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: when he was running the show there, you know, look
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: who's leading I mean, first off, let's start with who
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: was leading each other's team, James Harden or Steph Curry.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: So there's that. But the Warriors, the way they built it,
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: you know, analytics were a smaller part of it. It
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: was the people they you know, it was very different,
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: while the Rockets were just a fully analytics darling built
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: team and just chucked up a bunch of the reason
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: you know, analytics, robots and at the end of the day,
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: you know, you still they don't measure grit, they don't
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: measure heart, they don't there's certain It's like you said,
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: there's certain things that they just straight up can't measure,
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: and that you need intangibles. It's a big deal. They matter. Analytics.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: You can take all the personality tests you want. They're
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: great in an office setting for salespeople. They're not great
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: for you know, a basketball team.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well said, Well said. I mean, I think that
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: the Knicks a perfect example. And why I've even heard
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: some people say that, like the Knicks save the NBA
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: because they don't just chuck up threes. You know, they
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: have a bunch of good three point shooters, and I
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: think they were like fourth in the NBA and threes
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: this year, so it's not like, you know, they don't
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: shoot threes, but specifically in the playoffs, I think that
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: a lot of those teams we've seen it. We saw
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: with the Celtics in these last couple of years, when
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: you're a team that all you do is shoot threes
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: and the playoffs, that shit don't work. Man. It's like,
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: you know, you can you can get hot that one
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: year the Celtics had, you know, they had the right
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: matchups and they were hot for long enough and they
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: got themselves a championship and that was off of them
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: a lot of them shooting threes. The really the guy
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: who wasn't shooting threes, who was getting done in the
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: mid range is now gone, and that's Jalen Brown. And
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: you know that that that final, he was demand on
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: offense and he locked up Luca and y'all, motherfucker's just
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: traded him. That shit is crazy. But uh yeah, like
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: there's zero chance that two years from now Jalen Brunson
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: is not, you know, the nix er you're gonna get,
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: you know, trade him away two years after him just
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: winning final with m VP. I mean, Brunton, I don't
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: know what. I don't know what he would would have
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: to do. He would have to like slap the shit
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: out of Dolean in the middle of the garden to
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: get traded. I think even that even they would they
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: would figure that shit out before they But Brunson ever
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: gets traded by the Knicks, and uh yeah, the analytics conversation,
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: it's just too much. Man. There there's there's a there's
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: a place for it. There's a place for it. I mean, obviously,
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: you know, everybody in the world is using analytics and
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: in some way, shape or form or and different technology
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: to make their lives easier. But uh, it's it's there's
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: something to be said for having a plan and building
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: a team around the right mix of personalities and players.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: And you know, the Knicks just gave the perfect example
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: of that. They gave like the all time example of
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: that of like, hey, we're just gonna bring in the
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: right guys. Okay, did not didn't quite work. Kemba Walker,
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: Evan Fonier. Now now punt on that, Okay, all right, yeah, Julius,
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: he's bringing us back. He's in all NBA player, Okay,
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: we all star, We like all that. Yeah, but you know,
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: personality wise, basketball fit wise, we could do better. And
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: cats available, Okay, gotta give up Dante too. That sucks.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: But then hey, what about McHale Bridges and let's bring
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: this guy in and let's have this one player who
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: nobody believed in but we do. And wow, he's actually
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: even better than we thought. So we're gonna have his
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: dad as the coach, and we're gonna bring in all
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: his friends and we're gonna make it just perfect for
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: him and hope that we get the most out of
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: him and he does with us what he's done on
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: every level that he's ever played, which is when sounds easy, right,
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: it's not. It's not fucking easy, man. That's a that's
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: having a vision and sticking to it and and and
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: having a plan and and and having all roads lead
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: to that plan, and not making the you know, the
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: herky jerk move and then right when you're at the
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: precipice saying, Okay, our coach is good. He's got this
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: this far, but we need there's another level we can
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: get to, and unfortunately he can't get us there. I
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: wonder how Tibbs feels, man. I would like, I really
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: wonder he has to be happy for the guys, but
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: there's definitely he's got to be somewhat bitter too. I mean, listen,
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: he's laughing all the way to the bank, though. I
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: mean he's still getting paid, that's for sure. If I'm TIBs,
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: I take another year off, still get paid, maybe do
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: a little commentating or some shit like that. I wouldn't
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: even rush back into coaching if I was him. But yeah, man,
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: it's it's a little bit heavy handed with the analytics,
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: but obviously it does play a part. I'm glad that, uh,
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: you know, my squad is one that you know, they're
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: not just out here just passing around shooting threes and
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: you know, hoping for the best. They're out there, you know,
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: not just using the math, but it inflicting their own
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: you know, their own will on the game and on
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: the math. But yeah, man, Jayalen Brown, Man, he's gone.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: And you know, Mitch he's no longer a nick. The
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: other the big, the biggest domino left the fall is
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: obviously Lebron. Bron is uh, you know, he's told the
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: Lakers he's not coming back. Everybody thought that he was
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: definitely gonna be on the Warriors. That was the move
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: Draymond opts out and now now you got the different
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: teams that supposedly he is considering, like twelve to fifteen teams.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: According to Rich Paul, I like that show with Rich
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: Paul and Max Kellerman, I really do. I always like
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: Max Kellerman. I was always like, how was this guy
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: not back on TV? But he's another guy who was
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: getting paid for a minute after he got out, so
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: he was just chilling. Good for him. But I like
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: that show. And Rich Paul's got the white board. He's
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: talking about all the different teams that you know Lebron
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: would consider. He's saying that money is not the consideration.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: It's all about the winning, you know, being with the
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: right team and trying to win, and also the stage.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: And he also went out and just like clearly said
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: that he doesn't feel like, you know that if the
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: Knicks had lost the championship, if they wouldn't win the championship,
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: that would be the place. That's the place he would
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: want to go because of the stage. And you know
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: they're gonna shoot a documentary at Lebron's last year as
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: a Knick fan. I don't want Lebron. I don't want Lebron,
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: not because like, oh, like he spurned us back in
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, or no, I'm not on that. I'm not
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: on that. But what I am on when it comes
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: to Bron is the fact that a certain level of
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: ego and drama has to come with him. It just
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: has to. And that's what it is, and that's you know,
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm not even saying it's necessarily a negative thing.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: I think that when you have a team that is
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: a state ablished and has a certain hierarchy, and you know,
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: they've just won a championship, I don't know if he
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: is the complimentary piece that you add. He's not a
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: complimentary piece. He's he's going to be extremely involved in
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: everything that you do. He's fucking Lebron. So then you
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: bring him in and what are you telling me, Josh
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: Hart's not coming off the bench. How's Josh gonna feel
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: about that? Josh didn't. He vocally was not happy when
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: he was coming off the bench early in the season
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: when when that was the thought that maybe he might
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: come off the bench and Papa buh, he wasn't happy
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: about that. Him and Mike Brown have talked about it.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: They've talked about it, you know, in the post championship
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: and when when Mike Brown was on the Roommate show
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: and uh, yeah, So I don't I just think that
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: it's too much. I think it upsets the Apple car
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: too much. Now, what I do know is that Leon
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: Rose before he would trade for Lebron, I'm sorry, I'm sorry,
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: signed Lebron. He would talk to definitely Brunson. I think
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: he would talk to all the guys, you know, at
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: least all the starters about it and get their feeling
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: on it. And I do think that Lebron, because of
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: who he is, that you know, Josh Hart, that might
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: be the guy that Josh Hort says, okay for him,
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: I'll come off the bench. I'm winning six man in
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: the year. I could see that. I just think that
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: you really gotta be careful about upsetting the overall just
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: psyche of the team and the feeling of the locker
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: room basketball wise, if those guys are on board with it,
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: I think the Knicks would win sixty games easily, sixty
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: five maybe because now you allow Brunson to operate off
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: the ball even more, You allow him to have that
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: escape valve when they're all over him, to just give
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: Lebron the ball. Lebron the ball, Lebron be able to,
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: you know, get us into our offense. You can't you
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: can't foul. You can't foul Lebron like you foul Brunson.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: The refs aren't gonna let it happen. The rest are
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: gonna fucking call it out. If you try to put
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: you two hands on Lebron's chest as she's driving past
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: you all the way up the court, the rest are
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: gonna call a fout. I'll give a fuck. Is the
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: playoffs in the finals or not. And you know, we
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: would be able to do a Mitch type thing with
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: Lebron where we're saying like, hey, you know, we only
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: need you to play this amount of minutes, and we
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: only need you to you know, you're not playing back
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: to backs and blah blah blah. We need you, you know,
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: healthy in April, May and June. I don't, I don't.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: I don't think the Knicks need Lebron. I don't want
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: Lebron if it's gonna mess up the overall feeling. But
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: I think if the captain and you know, and his
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: and his guys, his lieutenants, if they agree to it,
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: it could be interesting.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: Men.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: It could be for if I'm Lebron you want to
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: talk about on a stage and you know your documentary
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: documentary look different if it's in the Garden, then if
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: it's as opposed to you know, in fucking Cleveland whatever
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: their fucking place is called. So I think that that
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: could be a basketball you know, at first, I was like,
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: absolutely not, I don' want Lebron. Why wud wean Lebron?
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: That That was my immediate reaction. I've thought about it.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: My feeling is evolving somewhat. I feel like, yo, man,
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I could see how it can help.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: I still feel like Warriors fans shouldn't want him for
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: reasons I've already explained, so I won't do it again.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: But I don't know Lebron on the Knicks. It's interesting.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: I really hope he doesn't end up in Detroit. If
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: he goes to Cleveland, whatever, I'm not scared. I'm never
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: scared of losing to a team in the playoffs that
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: has James Harden as one of their you know, focal players. Nah,
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: I don't care Lebron or no Lebron. And also the
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: Cleveland fan, I just don't see it.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: Hey, good to jump in here because we have some
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: breaking Knicks news from Sean's Taranya. They have signed center
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: Andre Drummond to a one year, three point nine million
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: dollar deal.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: Okay, Andre Trumming, God man, that motherfucker is old and slow. Ah,
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: you don't need much from him. At the end of
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: the day, you're asking for give me fifteen minutes, Andre,
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: give me fifteen I would still like to have another
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: like young center option, you know, somebody that you know
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: we're developing. I know our summer league I looked at
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: our summer league roster earlier. See if you can pull
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: up our U the NIX summer league roster bomb. But uh,
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: maybe one of those guys can sneak on. But I
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: got to see how exactly how this breaks down as
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: far as like with that now being added, do we
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: even have like like how many roster spots or do
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: we you know, I don't know. I don't know. Andrew, Listen,
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: Andre Drummond is serviceable. He's going to he's gonna protect
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: the rim. He can get a couple offensive rebounds. That's
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: really what we need. That's really what we need. We
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: don't need too much out Andre Rumman. It's not like
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: we're asking him to, you know, go out there and
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: you know, be the man. But we're a cat injury
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: away from things getting real fucking scary like that makes
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: me very nervous and drumming. If I ever see you
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: fucking shoot a three from the corner when you're on
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: the knicks, you better not ever do that shit. I
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: saw you did that shit against it in these last
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: couple of years. I see you every once in a
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: while wanting to toss a three up. No, no, no, no,
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: we don't do that. You do not do that here.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: I don't want to see no corner three from you
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: Anddre dum, I don't even want to see you that
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: fucking far away from the basket. You should be, you know,
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: either rolling to the back and see. That's my issue
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: with Andre Drummond is that he's not a lob threat
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: because he's you know, he's old and he's not getting
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: up and down anymore. So you know, I really that's
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: that's to me, like it's a really underrated thing that
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: we're losing. Like, you know, we had that's our that's
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: our best lob threat, and Brunton and him were continuing
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: over their time to continue to build and get better
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: and get more chemistry with Brunts and tossing him that lob.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: It's a tough one, Andre Drummond. At this point, you
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: had you had to sign to somebody as the backup center.
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: I can't wait to go on my phone when we're
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: done and see how fucking pissed off Nick's twitter is
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: about the fact that we just had it that we
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: ended up with Andre Drummon. Like my thing is is,
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: maybe you thought that the Knicks, it seems like they
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: had to think that they could have worked it out
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: with with Mitch up to some point, because if not,
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: then again, why trade the draft picks? Why let huk
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: Porty go? We could have given that three point nine
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: million to hok Porty. I like Huck Porty better than
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: Andre Drumming right now in their careers. But some of
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: that is just because I like, you know, Huck and
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: he's my guy, and you know he started here and
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: I've been watching him. There's a good chance that ten
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: games into next season, I'm like, fucking Andre Rummen is
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: so much better than hook Porty. We'll see, we'll see
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: good work there, Bomb, good work get getting getting that
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: to me live for sure. Bron Man. Yeah, it's gonna
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: be interesting to see where he ends up. You know,
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: I still think to me, the Warriors still make the
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: most sense obviously just for him and you know, warm
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: weather still in California all that, but the nixt minutes,
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: it would be interesting. It would be interesting, to say
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: the least for sure.
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: Hey, also to jump here, I'm looking at the next
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: summer league roster A little bit looks like they have
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: one seven footer. I used to play for the Bucks,
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: Liam Robins, so it could be a could be. You
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: gotta keep an eye.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: On Liam Robins. I remember this guy. I've seen this
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: guy before. Yeah, you know, twenty five he had a
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: total of zero point seven points point nine rebounds, point
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: two assists, and he shot twenty five percent from the field. So,
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: uh yeah, I don't think he's making a roster quite frankly,
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: are you that? That's what I thought, that we had
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: another big man. There's no other person. That's like, there's
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: no there's no other big men. I thought we had
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: another one. I'm probably wrong.
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm seeing just a bunch of guards and wings
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: here just on the uh the roster, like Mohammed Diawara wing.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: You got another wing in Tyler Nicol who was just
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: you know, picked by you guys. Another forward. Yeah, Guards,
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: it's really just guards and wings. Robbins is really the
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: holy center.
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: Gotcha, Drummond. I know he made the quote, he was
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: talking about how he was he was no longer going
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: to be you know, paid under his worth, but uh,
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: three point nine million, I guess he he and the
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: Nicks agree that that's his worth. Chums. Yeah, yeah, backup
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: for yeah, I mean listen, as a backup last year,
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: he did you know, he shut He got eight rebounds,
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: six points one point three assists on forty Let's see,
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: let's look at a little bit of Andre Drummon stats here.
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: I just feel like he's.
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: Just extremely underwhelming and I want to see like kind
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: of what his uh let's go, here we go.
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: So last year he played twenty minutes a game, and
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: that's also that's uh, that's inflated because you know, Joe
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: El Embiid was you know, obviously oft injured as as always,
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: and so therefore he was their starter at certain points
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: in the year. I think that, hey, listen, he was
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: the best of what was left and it's unfortunate, but
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: he will be our backup center. He's no fucking Mitchell Robinson,
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: that's for sure. So Nicks really gotta they gotta, uh,
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: they gotta figure something out there that's gonna be very interesting.
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: That's a big loss going from you know, Mitch to
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: Andre Drumman. That's a that's a very very large downgrade.
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: That makes me nervous, It really does, you know, especially,
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: but you know, I still got faith that there's something
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: else coming from Leon. I really do. I think Deuce
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: could get moved for a potential center we were trying
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: to get. We we've been there's a couple of different
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: moves that Knicks has been trying to make, and they've
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: talked about trades that you know, ended up not happening.
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: And that guy is his name, Missy, I think from
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: uh from New Orleans. But I think any trade like
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: that would have to involve Deuce, it seems, and you
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: know Deuce is. Deuce Is is a guy who again
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: he's been the Knicks for a while, spent his entire
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: career here. I got a lot of love for Deuce.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: If it was for a capable, you know, young center
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: who can block a shot and snatch some rebounds, I
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: would move Deuce right now. Just we have we we
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: have enough small guards on our team. But Andre Dummen
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: is very underwhelming, kind of kind of brought me down
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: a little bit. The Mets, they still suck. Uh, the
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: Yankees are fucking sucking right now too, New York, New
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: York Sports. I've seen both Yankees fans and Mets fans
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: talking about how, you know, this Knicks championship is easing
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: their summer pain and watching our baseball teams be you know,
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: just not good. It's not good, and it's uh, it
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: doesn't look like it's gonna get any better, especially for
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: the Mets. You know, the only the bright spots are
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: the two outfielders. You know, you got Ewing and you
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: got bench. But other than that, there's not too much
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: to be excited about with the Mets. And you know,
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: Peter A. Lonzo is having a typical Peter Alonzo year,
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: and there's no possible way that you can say that
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: this team wouldn't be better if they had him. David sterns,
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: I listen, I'm always a guy. I'm not big. I'm
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: not a big fire this guy. Get rid of this guy.
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: I'm not you know, I think that you need some continuity,
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: and sometimes a plan takes some time to uh flesh
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: itself out. I'm pretty close to being over over it
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: when it comes to David Stearns. Yeah, pretty close to
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: being over with that guy overall though, Man, just uh uh,
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: just excited to be a champion, enjoying uh these knicks.
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: I feel like I'm missing something bomb What what else
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: do we got going on?
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: We currently have the World Cup going on Argentina, Argentina
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: leading Cape Verde one mill at halftime, and I bet
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: you can guess who scored for Argentina.
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: Jesus, this guy fucking Messy is unreal goat. He's, yeah,
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: legitimately the goat. The goat. But you know he's not
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: gonna have these numbers for too long because Bope is
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: on his ass already and Bape is dumb young, so
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: like he's not gonna have these numbers for too long.
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: But obviously, like you know, I think that he's to go.
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: You know, we last this episode, I talked about the
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: Him Brunson comparisons, just as far as like their dynamics
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: and relationship with their team. And he's just a joy
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: to watch. He really is. So World Cup. We've been
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: watching a lot of these games these last few his
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: last few days definitely, you know, sat there and watched
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: the entire US game. It sucks. It sucks because you
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: have this team that is looks is as good as
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: any US team that we've ever seen, in my opinion,
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: And we've been to this round of sixteen before. We've
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: never been able to get past that to the round
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: of eight. And I think this is our best chance,
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: but our best score. The guy who has three goals
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: in three games and scored the first goal against Bosnia Blugan.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: He's out. Do I say his name right? How do
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: I say it?
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: It's a Florian Balligan.
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: Folligan, Bolligan, Belugan. I see. Having you here for just
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: you know, correcting me on the names alone is a
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: huge help because it's it's really it's really a blind
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: spot for me and Bolligan man Oo. The guy he's
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: only kind of American in the first place. He was
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: like born here because his mom like couldn't fly back
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: once she came over here when she was pregnant. You know,
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: he mostly grew up in England. And then you know
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: he's got African roots obviously. But dude is a monster.
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: He's big. He's the big striker type that you know
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: you've always seen on other people's teams, but like the
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: USA never has. And then Polistic is just a wizard
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: with the ball, extremely aggressive and even when he's not scoring,
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: he's opened things up for other people. And now we're
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: we're gonna be out with me, We're gonna we're not
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: gonna have bolligain And it's like yo, So like now
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: we get to this this stage, we're playing Belgium, who
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: is you know, ranked higher than we are, and we
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: don't have our best score. It seems like a lot
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: to overcome. Now down the man, we still scored a goal,
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: and we're able to, you know, continue to be aggressive
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: even though we're down a man and that man being
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: our best scorer. I don't understand how that's a red card.
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: I don't And this whole thing about like they only
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: show you still photos, they don't show you the whole
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: like video, What does that even mean? That makes no
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: sense to me. It makes it so hard to give
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: any context of what actually happened. There was absolutely no
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: intent at all. It's just his foot was in the
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: wrong place at the wrong time. Like seriously, in that point,
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: you want him as he's coming down to look down
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: and see that his foot is there and try to
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: like avoid it. No, that's just not realistic. Man. You know,
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: at the end of the day, he was in the
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: wrong place, wrong time. It's not even like he fell
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: on this guy. He just his foot just came down
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: on the ground, but the other guy's foot was underneath it.
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: And so now he's out and he's out for the
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: next game too. First of all, I think that they
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: need to have some more wiggle room within reds, Like
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: there's a flagrant one in a flagrant there needs to
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: be like a red one and a red two, so like,
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: you know, we can look at that and say, okay,
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: even though the result what it was, there was no
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: intent there. He's out for this match, but he's playing
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: the next match. And the fact that they can't even
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: appeal it. Initially there was a thought that they could
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: appeal it, but I read something today that said, no,
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: they can't appeal it. It can be. It can be
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: you can upgrade a red, but you can't downgrade and
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: like make it so that you know you can't play
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: you can play the next game. That's not even a possibility,
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: which is bullshit. Man, Come on, man, I'm just I'm
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: so disappointed that this guy now can't play in this game.
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: And you know what do we do? Do we make
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: we put more in the midfield and just make Polistic
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: the only striker. Do we bring Pepe in and put
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: him in in Bulligan's spot. I don't fucking know, but
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: I'm just annoyed that we have all this momentum. It's here,
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: it's in the US. We look as good as we
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: ever have, But now we gotta deal with this shit
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: fucking whack. I'm very disappointed in it. Boll im talking
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: to me, How do you feel about it?
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: I too thought it was a really bad call. I
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: also think soccer is hands out cards way too liberally
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: considering the consequences of them. So like when you're playing
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: on a yellow card, it's basically like either playing with
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: one tech in a basketball game, or you know how
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: it carries over, You're basically playing with one tech for
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: the rest of the test of time.
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: Carry over shit like my nana doesn't even reset before
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: the knockout round like it should. That definitely reset at
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: that point. That's fucking ridiculous that you gotta you get
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: one yellow card and you just can't. You can't. Anything
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: happens even if it's accidental for the rest of the
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: fucking thing, and you're just out. And the red card thing,
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: like I said, there's gotta be variants within red cards. Man,
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: it's fucking it's bullshit talk. And why do all refs
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: suck across all sports? It seems like, like why do
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: they all suck? In fucking I in nine to ten
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: basketball that I coach, my son has somebody fall on
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: the back of his leg, he ends up with a
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: broken leg, and there's no foul called. Next time I
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: see that ref, I'm like, hey, yo, you see that
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: kid over there? Yeah, you know we is. You've repped
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: them a bunch of times. He's the fucking best player
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: in the league. Guess what he's out. And on the
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: play that it happened, you didn't even call a foul.
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: And he's like, oh, well, you know it was a
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: loose I remember the play like it was a loose ball.
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: That I said, I don't care if it's a loose
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: ball or not. There's no situation where you can throw
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: your entire body weight on the back of somebody's legs
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: as they're running. That's always a foul. All refs suck,
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: all of them. I really I don't like any of them.
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: I really don't. Very unfortunate man, that this guy is
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: not able to play. But it is what it is.
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: It is what it is, you know. I if we
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: still figure out a way to beat Belgium, we still
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: continue that aggressive attacking style and we're able to if
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: we get a goal early first twenty minutes. I mean,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: the fucking stadium is gonna be crazy. It's in Seattle.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, they fucking shake that stadium and like, you know,
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: you feel it on the Richter scale scale, you know,
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: when you know, beast mode goes off or some shit
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: like that. So I'm expecting that type of atmosphere for
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: the US and I'm just hoping that we're able to
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: overcome uh, you know, the the our best, our best
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: scores absence, and be able to make it happen. But yeah,
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: it's gonna be an interesting one for sure, and I'm
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: just looking forward, like I said to uh, what the
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: atmosphere is going to be, Like, I just wish that
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: there wasn't this fucking thing in the back of my
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: head that I'm thinking about the whole time. But hey,
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: hopefully they overcome it. What else, anything else you got
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: anything else.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: We got nothing missing, but on one Mets note though
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: obviously they trade David Peterson the Cubs. Wee can have
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: urse go. He got rocked today. Give up ten or
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: runs at about three and two thirds innings of the Cardinals.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: Peterson's a guy who just you know, he gives you flashes,
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: he gives you thoughts where you feel like, okay, man,
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: this got Peterson. He's fucking good. He's gonna you know,
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: he's gonna turn the turn the corner and be like
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: a good, legitimate, like number two or three starter, and
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: he just it. Never he's never able to go fully
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: put it all together. He's just not and it's uh,
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: it's uh, you know, I thought maybe a change of
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: scenery could be good for him. Maybe it still can be.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: But so far that's not a good start Tenor. That's
• 1:01:22
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