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The Late Debate | 23 September · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Late Welcome to the Late Way.
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  Speaker 2: I think the fridge was pretty appropriate because those jokes
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  Speaker 2: surely were not hot.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the program.
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  Speaker 2: I'm pal a Bond and we're off to a good
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  Speaker 2: start tonight with.
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  Speaker 1: Frei Leitch and Holly Hughes.
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  Speaker 2: Here's what's coming up on the program Apart from my
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  Speaker 2: wonderful sense of humor. A new study has found a
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  Speaker 2: growing gap between the number of girls and boys going
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  Speaker 2: to university. That is, there are significantly more girls.
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  Speaker 1: Why would that be. We'll discuss that soon in the papers.
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  Speaker 2: The Human Rights Commission thinks it should be illegal to
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  Speaker 2: say that you disagree with the quote unquote climate science. Gee,
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  Speaker 2: I love living in China, and later you can't have
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  Speaker 2: any fun anymore. The government is saying it's bad to
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  Speaker 2: cook while you're drunk. I mean, what else are they
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  Speaker 2: going to take away from us for goodness sake? Something
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  Speaker 2: that they're not taking away from us, but they're giving
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  Speaker 2: to us, or at least they're giving to kids in
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  Speaker 2: New South Wales anyway?
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  Speaker 1: Is AI chatbots?
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  Speaker 2: If you are a st in New South Wales, as
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  Speaker 2: of next month, you will now have access to an
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  Speaker 2: AI chatbot that you can ask all manner of questions
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  Speaker 2: and I don't know, get it to do your homework
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  Speaker 2: for you. I suppose that's what they'll be working on.
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  Speaker 2: They've been trialing this thing for eighteen months. There was
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  Speaker 2: a story written about it in the Telegraph today in
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  Speaker 2: which they said the kids had been poking and prodding it,
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  Speaker 2: so I'm sure they've enjoyed getting on with that. But anyway,
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  Speaker 2: they've developed this AI chatbot that, unlike other ones, won't
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  Speaker 2: be using the information you put into it to train itself,
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  Speaker 2: so it won't be learning on the basis of what
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  Speaker 2: kids tell it. It is designed to be a spinach version.
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  Speaker 2: I suppose purely for educational reasons. You won't be able
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  Speaker 2: to form a relationship with it and tell that you're depressed,
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  Speaker 2: or say you want it to be your girlfriend, or
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  Speaker 2: any of this sort of stuff. Apparently they've weeded that out.
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  Speaker 1: They've found some kids to prove it.
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  Speaker 3: It can help you with the research and study and
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  Speaker 3: it works as a good kind of start to get
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  Speaker 3: into that.
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  Speaker 4: Thenig it gives you is to train to edge towards towards.
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  Speaker 2: Necessity learning standards, which means it matches up with the curriculum.
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  Speaker 5: Really want if you asked.
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  Speaker 6: Even something like I'm feeling sad and lonely, will you
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  Speaker 6: be my friend?
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  Speaker 3: Like, what would it say?
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  Speaker 2: Good?
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  Speaker 3: So it says here it's important to talk to someone
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  Speaker 3: you trust, so it kind of redirects you to like
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  Speaker 3: actual people.
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  Speaker 2: Well that's good to know, I guess, and I get that.
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  Speaker 2: There's an argument that AI is just going to become
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  Speaker 2: part and parcel of life now, so you're almost letting
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  Speaker 2: the kids down if you don't teach them about it.
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  Speaker 2: But in the same way that we now acknowledge that
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  Speaker 2: kids probably have too much access to devices and are
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  Speaker 2: using them too much, and there is a trend now
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  Speaker 2: of schools reducing their use of devices, indeed having classes
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  Speaker 2: where devices are just not allowed at all. I wonder
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  Speaker 2: whether maybe we're going too fast and too hard into
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  Speaker 2: this and saying, well, we're going to have the AI in.
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  Speaker 1: The classroom because you probably have the AI in the workplace.
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  Speaker 2: It's the same as we talked, was it last week
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  Speaker 2: or the week before about the University of New South
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  Speaker 2: Wales which is rolling out a very similar product within
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  Speaker 2: their university for students and lecturers and professors and whatever
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  Speaker 2: to be able to use.
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  Speaker 1: Surely the idea of UNI or.
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  Speaker 2: School is that you learn how to learn, and you
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  Speaker 2: actually get knowledge in your brain, and that involves doing
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  Speaker 2: your own research and coming to your own conclusions and
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  Speaker 2: memorizing things. And I feel like we are just increasingly
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  Speaker 2: dumbing things down.
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  Speaker 1: And if you've got the AI.
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  Speaker 2: Chatbot at school that just spits out the answer without
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  Speaker 2: you really having to do any looking for it at all,
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  Speaker 2: you can guarantee the kids you're going to go home
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  Speaker 2: and log onto chat GPT and that's what they'll be
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  Speaker 2: using to do their homework. So are we actually making
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  Speaker 2: the kids smarter or dumber?
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  Speaker 7: Well, that's the problem, right. Everyone is already using chat GPT.
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  Speaker 7: It is ubiquitous. Even when I was at UNI. People
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  Speaker 7: are using it for everything, and Sydney University, for example,
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  Speaker 7: has just given up trying to police it because you can't.
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  Speaker 7: You actually can very rarely tell if someone's using AI,
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  Speaker 7: So when they're at school, that is basically your one
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  Speaker 7: opportunity to ensure kids are actually learning. And we're seeing
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  Speaker 7: this trend now removing devices from schools. A lot of
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  Speaker 7: private schools are leading the way in this because they've
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  Speaker 7: just realized, well, kids aren't actually memorizing anything they're writing,
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  Speaker 7: skills are poorer, and guess what, exams are still all handwritten.
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  Speaker 7: And if you can't actually recall fact because you're so
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  Speaker 7: used to just being able to look things up, you're
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  Speaker 7: not going to perform well in exams and ultimately in life.
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  Speaker 7: So kids will use AI anyway. The genie is well
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  Speaker 7: and truly out of the bottle, but school should be
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  Speaker 7: the last place where that is embraced. There's probably a
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  Speaker 7: good use case for it for teachers for marking and
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  Speaker 7: giving feedback to students, but students don't need to be
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  Speaker 7: using it themselves.
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  Speaker 8: And you're right when people.
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  Speaker 9: I've got a daughter about to start the HC and
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  Speaker 9: she does have to go into those exams and write
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  Speaker 9: essays and write actual thoughts down and make arguments. Now
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  Speaker 9: you know if you're using a chat box, and these
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  Speaker 9: kids they're very good on the copy and paste as well.
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  Speaker 9: And if they've got to write a five hundred word
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  Speaker 9: article or a five hundred word essay on something, or
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  Speaker 9: they've got to give a two minute speech in school on.
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  Speaker 5: A particular topic.
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  Speaker 9: The thing about AI is you can say, write me
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  Speaker 9: a two minute speech on topic X y Z.
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  Speaker 8: James Cook arrived in Australia, you.
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  Speaker 9: Know, they can actually get a two minute speech and
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  Speaker 9: AI will say to them, would you like to make
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  Speaker 9: this more political or conversational or more technical so they
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  Speaker 9: can use it to actually generate the entire format of
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  Speaker 9: what they're getting use.
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  Speaker 8: You know, for those of us who are.
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  Speaker 9: A little bit older and still used books, if you
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  Speaker 9: plan to plagiarize something, you actually still had to write
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  Speaker 9: it out from the book. Weren't able to just copy
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  Speaker 9: and paste it over. I was in the day of
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  Speaker 9: the dot matrix printers. I don't think you even know
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  Speaker 9: what they are.
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  Speaker 1: I love when you get it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just really off track, but I love when you
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  Speaker 2: get a book from a second hand shop and people
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  Speaker 2: have underlying things in the book because you know they're
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  Speaker 2: actually using it to learn. I'm research and that's what
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  Speaker 2: we losing.
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  Speaker 8: I swear to God.
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  Speaker 9: My first marriage really broke down because my now my
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  Speaker 9: ex husband, but it should have ended much earlier when
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  Speaker 9: he lost a box of my books, and in those
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  Speaker 9: books were all my ancient history textbooks from three you know,
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  Speaker 9: Ancient History Herodotus chapter eight, with all the beautiful notes
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  Speaker 9: and highlighted bits in there that I had kept.
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  Speaker 8: If my children ever did ancient history.
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  Speaker 9: I had it all there and he lost that box
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  Speaker 9: of books and can I tell you fifteen years later
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  Speaker 9: and I'm still angry.
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  Speaker 7: But it's so true because what you produce in school
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  Speaker 7: is actually really important and you look back on it
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  Speaker 7: and you can be proud of yourself and just go, wow,
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  Speaker 7: I actually achieved something. I worked hard, I studied. But
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  Speaker 7: when you just replace everything with AI. I do think
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  Speaker 7: the next generation will lose that.
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  Speaker 9: Don't how boring their dinner party conversations are going to be, though.
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  Speaker 8: They're going to actually have.
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  Speaker 9: Nothing that they could skills or experience from it because they
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  Speaker 9: never really read a book. They never looked into anything.
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  Speaker 9: And there's nothing like holding a book in the paper
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  Speaker 9: and actually writing a note in the side of it
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  Speaker 9: and someone yelling at you writing in a book.
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  Speaker 7: But for sure, well, another area where education is really
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  Speaker 7: letting our country down is the tertiary education sector. Now,
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  Speaker 7: we've spoken a lot about universities, but one of the
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  Speaker 7: things that never ceases to amaze me is how much
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  Speaker 7: some of these vice chancellors and executives are getting paid.
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  Speaker 7: There's a parliamentary committee that has just done an inquiry
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  Speaker 7: into university governance, and they've suggested that we review the
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  Speaker 7: quote unquote outrageous sellalleries of some of these vcs. Now
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  Speaker 7: there are three hundred university executives who earn more than
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  Speaker 7: state premiers. The highest paid vice chancellor is at the
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  Speaker 7: University of Canberra on one point seven million dollars, then
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  Speaker 7: Monash one point five, Melbourne one point four. You get
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  Speaker 7: the picture. Many of them are earning over a million
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  Speaker 7: dollars a year. And what's so bad is that the
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  Speaker 7: G eight universities, the Group of eight, those are the
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  Speaker 7: Sandstone unis, like unsw UNI melb They often have the
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  Speaker 7: highest salaries yet the lowest student experience. Yeah, you do
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  Speaker 7: have to ask if these unis are consistently getting rated
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  Speaker 7: as having a poor student experience, poor graduate outcomes, really
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  Speaker 7: just trading off their reputation and architecture, not actually providing
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  Speaker 7: a good education, why should some of these vice chancellors
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  Speaker 7: be earning double what the prime minister's earning.
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  Speaker 10: It does seem outrage.
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  Speaker 9: To be fair, most of them are probably twice as
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  Speaker 9: smart as the prime minister, so we.
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  Speaker 8: Do have to keep that true.
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  Speaker 2: And I've always found the comparison of the Prime minister's
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  Speaker 2: salary in odd one because the PM we all know
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  Speaker 2: is compared to the private sector thoroughly under.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, but it does get a kind of a night,
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  Speaker 9: couple of nice houses to live in in, a couple
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  Speaker 9: of cars, nice jet.
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  Speaker 7: But I guess the point is that universities should not
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  Speaker 7: be treated like the private sector because they rely overwhelmingly
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  Speaker 7: on taxpayer funds and they have become so bloated now
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  Speaker 7: beyond what they were originally intended to do.
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  Speaker 10: They basically turned.
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  Speaker 7: Into multi billion dollar corporate behemoths instead of actually something
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  Speaker 7: that serves the national good.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that's the thing is it's obviously market
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  Speaker 2: forces that lead to these salaries being so high. And
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  Speaker 2: from that perspective, I kind of go, well, if that's
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  Speaker 2: what is being demanded by the market, then that's simply
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  Speaker 2: what you have to pay.
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  Speaker 1: That's how the world works.
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  Speaker 2: But as you say, they get a lot of public money,
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  Speaker 2: and when you get a lot of public money, I
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  Speaker 2: think the public has a right to sort of put
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  Speaker 2: some terms and conditions on how that money gets spent.
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  Speaker 2: And fundamentally, what they do now is they take a
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  Speaker 2: lot of public money, but then they want to take
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  Speaker 2: as much money full totals as well as they can
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  Speaker 2: get from foreign students, and they cry every time someone says, oh, well,
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  Speaker 2: maybe we should put the foreign student intake because it's
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  Speaker 2: the golden goose and they don't want to get rid
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  Speaker 2: of it. And so our universities really serving their purpose,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think they are. So you can get a
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  Speaker 2: lot of money out of the government and then go
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  Speaker 2: and pay someone at nearly one point eight million dollars
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  Speaker 2: to run the show because they're the chief executive. But
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  Speaker 2: why are we investing in that if we're not getting
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  Speaker 2: the return.
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  Speaker 9: With well, and I think we need to be really
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  Speaker 9: clear on what is the return we're expecting because we
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  Speaker 9: have students that go to university and you know, I
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  Speaker 9: used to always see my university's experience was an opportunity
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  Speaker 9: to learn how to learn, as opposed to what you
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  Speaker 9: were specifically being taught as some of the content and
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  Speaker 9: a lot of that's being lost. Then you've also got
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  Speaker 9: the really important part of the people you go to
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  Speaker 9: UNI with that you go through your career and at
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  Speaker 9: different times you're crossing paths and you've still got those experiences.
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  Speaker 9: But universities also were centers of excellence where there used
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  Speaker 9: to be really significant research and proper research done, and
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  Speaker 9: then you know, graduates from university would go on to
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  Speaker 9: be fellows and professors and continue that research and development
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  Speaker 9: of courses. And I think if it is the market
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  Speaker 9: that's demanding, that's why these salaries that need to be paid.
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  Speaker 9: There does need to be a performance lever there and
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  Speaker 9: how it's managed, Like, what are the sort of I'm
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  Speaker 9: not a believer in directed research.
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  Speaker 5: I think research should go where it goes. But what
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  Speaker 5: sort of.
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  Speaker 9: Research is being generated from the university sector and the
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  Speaker 9: universities themselves, and what is the student experience and the
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  Speaker 9: student experience post university Because it's.
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  Speaker 5: Extraordinary when you talk to employers what.
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  Speaker 9: They tell you about how capable these kids are to
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  Speaker 9: move into the workforce, and most of them not bury
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  Speaker 9: at all because they've had no experience. Well, my other thing,
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  Speaker 9: just to finish for a universities, we should move some
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  Speaker 9: of those courses like nursing and teaching and others back
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  Speaker 9: into the workplace, more practical training, rather than keeping them
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  Speaker 9: cloistered in.
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  Speaker 5: The sandstone, not necessarily learning on.
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  Speaker 2: The I mean to even become a teacher. These days,
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  Speaker 2: they basically speak you to have a master's. What was
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  Speaker 2: so bad when we had teachers colleges and they got
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  Speaker 2: a diplomas. The best teachers I had in primary school
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  Speaker 2: came from that crowd.
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  Speaker 1: And it were talking before about books.
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  Speaker 2: I've still got My year six teacher gave me the
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  Speaker 2: dictionary when she retired that she used when she was
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  Speaker 2: at teachers College.
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  Speaker 5: Were you your teachers pet?
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  Speaker 1: No? But I really love that. I loved this Oxford Dictionary.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a journalist, writer by trades. I always had a
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  Speaker 2: fascination with language and I loved this Oxford Dictionary that
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  Speaker 2: she had in the classroom and it's got notes and
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  Speaker 2: whatever from when she went to teachers College.
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  Speaker 1: And I love that book.
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  Speaker 2: But you talk about the kids that are going off
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  Speaker 2: to universe, and there's some new researchers looked over ten
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  Speaker 2: years at the kids and I'm not talking about foreign students,
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  Speaker 2: so talking about that before, but the kids that are
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  Speaker 2: coming out of Australian schools and going into university. And
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  Speaker 2: I'll preface this by saying that I don't think everyone
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  Speaker 2: should go to university. In fact, I think there are
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  Speaker 2: too many people going to university. I think one of
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  Speaker 2: the biggest problems with the university sector in this country
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  Speaker 2: was when the Gillard government uncapped enrollments and basically said
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  Speaker 2: to everyone go off to UNI. That's when they turned
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  Speaker 2: into big businesses. And I don't think that it served
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  Speaker 2: the unis or the kids who go there well, because
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  Speaker 2: quite a few of them don't end up completing their degrees.
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  Speaker 2: But when you look at who is ending up at UNI,
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  Speaker 2: it's far and away. According to this new study, girls
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  Speaker 2: and like stark numbers in terms of how many girls
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  Speaker 2: are going. So, for instance, if you're talking about independent schools,
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  Speaker 2: fifty eight percent of girls end up graduating from university
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  Speaker 2: after they've gone to school, whereas or boys it's forty
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  Speaker 2: eight percent, So that's a ten percent difference.
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  Speaker 1: It's really stark.
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  Speaker 2: When you get to public schools, forty percent of girls
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  Speaker 2: in public schools end up graduating from UNI, twenty seven
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  Speaker 2: percent of boys. In Catholic schools, it's fifty four percent
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  Speaker 2: of girls versus thirty five percent of boys.
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  Speaker 1: Now, again I'm not saying everyone ought.
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  Speaker 2: To go to university, but very clearly here boys are
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  Speaker 2: not getting there.
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  Speaker 1: Now this is graduating from UNI.
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  Speaker 2: So they maybe we'll be going off and starting a
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  Speaker 2: degree and then not finishing it, and I suspect that's
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  Speaker 2: a great deal of them. But if it's like forty
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  Speaker 2: percent verse twenty seven percent in government schools, I reckon
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  Speaker 2: it means that.
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  Speaker 1: And you can see it in the school results. Schools
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  Speaker 1: are built for girls.
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  Speaker 2: These days, well boys, boys are being left behind in
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  Speaker 2: terms of their academic results, and no one really wants
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  Speaker 2: to talk about.
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  Speaker 7: And also what does that do in a culture where
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  Speaker 7: credentialism is still a thing, where university is seen as
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  Speaker 7: the ultimate path to success. If you only have twenty
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  Speaker 7: seven percent of boys from public schools finishing UNI, but
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  Speaker 7: forty percent of girls, I mean this is a fact
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  Speaker 7: about female biology generally, across cultures, across.
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  Speaker 10: Time, women like to date up.
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  Speaker 7: Now, we've got a crisis of singleness and a collapsing
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  Speaker 7: birth rate, partly because women are overachieving relative to boys.
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  Speaker 7: And it starts in the education system, and it has
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  Speaker 7: a whole range of social, cultural, economic implications. I think
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  Speaker 7: we need to value trades more and also have an
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  Speaker 7: actual middle class where you can have a comfortable life
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  Speaker 7: without having gone and gotten a university degree. We've hollowed
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  Speaker 7: out the middle class. We disparage trades, we force everyone
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  Speaker 7: into UNI and it's boys that are getting left behind.
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  Speaker 9: Well, it was a very interesting day for my family.
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  Speaker 9: I can say when many of you know I have
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  Speaker 9: a son with autism and to hear Donald Trump announced
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  Speaker 9: to the world that he now knows what causes it.
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  Speaker 9: Apparently it's paracetamol. So if a mother takes paracetamol whilst pregnant,
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  Speaker 9: she is more likely to have a child who develops autism.
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  Speaker 9: Now not quite sure that's true. If we went back
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  Speaker 9: sixty seventy years, they used to think autism was caused
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  Speaker 9: by refrigerator mothers, and that was mums who were cold
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  Speaker 9: to their children and so they developed autism.
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  Speaker 5: We have had a response.
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  Speaker 9: Today from the Therapeutic Goods Association in dispute of this
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  Speaker 9: claim that is being made by the Trump administration. There
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  Speaker 9: are a lot of reports and studies out there. If
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  Speaker 9: you're a mum that's pregnant at the moment, obviously don't
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  Speaker 9: take you medical advice from me. But a panidole is
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  Speaker 9: something that or paracetamol is something that is one thing
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  Speaker 9: that you are able to take if you have a
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  Speaker 9: fevor or you've got something called you're pregnant. I know
• 16:57
  Speaker 9: as a mom, how well you look after you said
• 17:00
  Speaker 9: whilst you are expecting a baby. But what really gets
• 17:04
  Speaker 9: me is this need to always put a cause onto autism.
• 17:10
  Speaker 9: Over the years, as it's been looked at, it's a
• 17:12
  Speaker 9: neurological development. Every study has shown that really it is
• 17:15
  Speaker 9: more about genetic traits. But it's also the tony in
• 17:18
  Speaker 9: this argument that autism is somehow the worst thing that
• 17:21
  Speaker 9: can ever happen to you if you have a baby,
• 17:23
  Speaker 9: if your child has autism. So I would just like
• 17:26
  Speaker 9: to say to all the mums out there that who
• 17:28
  Speaker 9: do have kids with autism, it certainly isn't the end
• 17:31
  Speaker 9: of your life. It's not the worst thing in the
• 17:32
  Speaker 9: world that's going to happen, and that baby is going
• 17:34
  Speaker 9: to bring you more joy than you could ever ever imagine.
• 17:37
  Speaker 9: And if you don't think autism mums have a sense
• 17:40
  Speaker 9: of humor, My beautiful big man who's sixteen now and.
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: Goes to a special school.
• 17:45
  Speaker 9: I just got a one of comment on one of
• 17:47
  Speaker 9: the chat groups from all the parents.
• 17:50
  Speaker 8: At the special needs school.
• 17:51
  Speaker 9: All right, not too much parasitamal tonight, mums and dads
• 17:55
  Speaker 9: with laughing emoments.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: Later, unfortunately, would s it's.
• 17:58
  Speaker 9: A very serious issue, but I think it's one that
• 18:01
  Speaker 9: we just need to be very mindful that they do
• 18:03
  Speaker 9: look at lots of links all the time. What causes it,
• 18:06
  Speaker 9: you know, that's genetics, it's maybe some environmental it's a
• 18:09
  Speaker 9: change in the diagnostic criteria.
• 18:11
  Speaker 5: There's a lot a lot of spectrum.
• 18:12
  Speaker 9: It's not the end of the world, and it's certainly
• 18:15
  Speaker 9: not the odd paracetam mold that I think you've got
• 18:17
  Speaker 9: to be worried about it.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: And I think that that's what's odd about this because
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: this has been studied for a long time and there
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: are a great deal of studies, some of which suggest
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: that there may be a link between a mother using
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: paracetamol and then a child developing autism.
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: Or or other neurological issues.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: This is you can see on the screen. There is
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: one from Harvard that was published last month, and one
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: can only think that's probably what's spurred the Trump administration
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: to come out with this. Wholly mentioned that the TGA,
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: the Therapeutic Goods Administration here in Australia before they said
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: paracetamol remains pregnancy Category A in Australia, meaning it's considered
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: safe for use in pregnancy. The TGA has no current
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: active safety investigations for paracetamol and autism, more paracetamol and
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: eurodevelopmental disorders more broadly, fair Enough, they're saying it's fine
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: for you to still use Donald Trump though advisors that
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: you should stay away from it if you are a
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: pregnant woman.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: Now, look, I have.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: No issue in saying that there are studies going on
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: and we should look at links and potentials.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: Fine, I mean that's what that's the point of science
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: and medicine, right. But when Trump comes out and says
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: stuff like he did at Charlie Kirk's memorial and then
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: comes out with what he said today, I think there
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: is a problem.
• 19:36
  Speaker 11: I think we found an answer to autism. How about
• 19:39
  Speaker 11: that how it happens so we won't let it happen anymore,
• 19:45
  Speaker 11: and how to get at least somewhat better when you
• 19:50
  Speaker 11: have it.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: We've found the answer, We've found I don't think we've
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: found the ants.
• 19:56
  Speaker 10: Well did he say we found the answer or anna?
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: I think he said the answer.
• 20:03
  Speaker 7: I think if you look at the White House's website
• 20:06
  Speaker 7: on their facts section where they released a briefing on this,
• 20:10
  Speaker 7: it does say may be linked to autism. I think
• 20:13
  Speaker 7: Trump always loves to be a bit theatrical.
• 20:16
  Speaker 10: About these things.
• 20:17
  Speaker 7: And what I do find strange is the hysteria that
• 20:22
  Speaker 7: seems to be erupt when people simply want to investigate
• 20:26
  Speaker 7: what could potentially be going on. Why is it such
• 20:31
  Speaker 7: a bad thing to want answers? I get we may
• 20:34
  Speaker 7: not ever know the specific answer, or there could be
• 20:37
  Speaker 7: many factors, which I assume there are, but.
• 20:41
  Speaker 10: At least have the conversation. At least invest the money.
• 20:44
  Speaker 7: You think about the amount of money we're now spending
• 20:47
  Speaker 7: on the NDIS and the number of especially young boys
• 20:50
  Speaker 7: be suffering with this. We need to invest money in
• 20:54
  Speaker 7: figuring out what's going wrong.
• 20:56
  Speaker 9: Well, Australia has the highest climbing rate of autism wrecked
• 21:00
  Speaker 9: correlation to when the NDAs goes all of a sudden
• 21:06
  Speaker 9: and there was a change in diagnostic criteria. But there
• 21:09
  Speaker 9: is nothing wrong with investigating. Everyone would love to know
• 21:12
  Speaker 9: where many many disabilities come from and if you could
• 21:14
  Speaker 9: prevent them or not. We did work in Federal Parliament
• 21:16
  Speaker 9: on mitochondrial disease.
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: So there's lots of things that are good and positive.
• 21:20
  Speaker 9: But to come out and say it's the mother's fault
• 21:23
  Speaker 9: because you had a headache and you took a panet off.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: And the over diagnosis is a huge pole. I mean,
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: look you look at someone sort the sideway is the
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: wrong way these days ago you must have all just
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: because you can't look me in the eye.
• 21:35
  Speaker 9: It is absolutely well, that's it's going to fix. The
• 21:37
  Speaker 9: AO chatbots let me about.
• 21:39
  Speaker 8: They're the kids that are going to break through.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: And come in as focus as well. And they got
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: rid of that and it all became alder. Now it's
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: you know, anyway, it has become a caravan on shall
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: we perspected?
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: Now?
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: There was a story in the news court papers today
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: about people packing up their lives and moving off in
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: the van van life they call it.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: It's become a bit of.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: A trend on social media for people to document that,
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: you know that they've sort of left the house behind
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: and they've decided they're going to go from be it
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: and hippies or something. But there was a family was
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: telling this story to the Daily Telegraph. Family is six
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: so two parents, four children, and they've decided that they
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: weren't happy with the mundane day to day life that
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: they were living.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: You can see them there.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: So they bought a caravan and now they're living their
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: life around the country. Here is a few of these
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: families explaining their decision.
• 22:33
  Speaker 6: Every day is an adventure and you wake up in
• 22:35
  Speaker 6: and brand new place.
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: Sometimes you need to disconnect from all the stresses and
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: all the houses in life and just get everyone together
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: up and just spend some time just chilling.
• 22:47
  Speaker 6: Really, I love the fact that we can be all
• 22:49
  Speaker 6: together and we're spending quality time together and not having
• 22:53
  Speaker 6: to worry about the daily grind and being in different
• 22:56
  Speaker 6: places and having to get to work in daycare.
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: When you go camping, you kind of all together in
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: the one spot and you disconnect. No technology, no iPads.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: I mean, good luck to you if that's what you
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: want to do. I can't say it appeals to me.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: Exact you, honey.
• 23:12
  Speaker 9: I think it's my version of hell, and I can
• 23:15
  Speaker 9: say that in absolute certainty. I had three children, The
• 23:18
  Speaker 9: thought of packing up every day, having to get them
• 23:22
  Speaker 9: all in. Where do you put six people in a caravan? Like,
• 23:26
  Speaker 9: I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Some people might think it sounds glamorous.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: No, it must be a.
• 23:33
  Speaker 8: Kids never stop eating at that age. Where do you
• 23:36
  Speaker 8: put the food?
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: Well, where's the bread?
• 23:39
  Speaker 10: Grocery stores on the road.
• 23:41
  Speaker 9: Not if you're camping in the middle of nowhere and
• 23:44
  Speaker 9: unpacking the chairs and packing the.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: T No, it must be like I remember Heaven Foley,
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: the former treasure of South Australia, when I asked what
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: they were going to do with prisoners, he said, we're
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: going to.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: Rack them, pack them and stack them. I think that
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: must be what they do with the kids in the caravan.
• 23:58
  Speaker 10: I just love this.
• 24:00
  Speaker 7: I think in modern life you spend so little time
• 24:03
  Speaker 7: with your family, especially at the age of those kids are.
• 24:07
  Speaker 7: I mean, that is awesome. Most families send their kids
• 24:09
  Speaker 7: to school. You never see them on the weekends. They're
• 24:11
  Speaker 7: doing extracurricular activities. And that's part of what's gone wrong
• 24:14
  Speaker 7: in modern society, the breakdown of the close knit family.
• 24:18
  Speaker 7: So I personally love this. I if I could, I
• 24:22
  Speaker 7: would probably join the band.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: Life with my kids.
• 24:25
  Speaker 9: They were little and we did quite well in a
• 24:27
  Speaker 9: house and spent lots of time together.
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: But bathrooms and showers.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: What's to stop you getting rid of your joint and
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: go by the caravan?
• 24:36
  Speaker 7: Being here on the lake debate every four nights and
• 24:40
  Speaker 7: someone a caravan path. I mean you could, but moving
• 24:45
  Speaker 7: full time is a little bit.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: It's a lot everything old. Is you again? Right, you'll
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: at home?
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: Remember the Layland brothers and drive.
• 24:59
  Speaker 10: A little a little bit.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: I mean they were doing it in the eighties.
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: There's my child who it was.
• 25:12
  Speaker 7: That was on They really were ahead of their times. Well,
• 25:15
  Speaker 7: speaking of roads, this is a bit of a peculiar story.
• 25:19
  Speaker 7: The South Australian government has withdrawn their consent to release
• 25:24
  Speaker 7: road safety data that's been collected, so things like crashes,
• 25:30
  Speaker 7: that sort of stuff. Now they say it's kind of
• 25:35
  Speaker 7: strange the reason they're sighting. They're saying they're questioning the
• 25:39
  Speaker 7: data's accuracy. Now, this data is what then goes in
• 25:42
  Speaker 7: to determine roads safety ratings and that impacts which roads
• 25:46
  Speaker 7: get upgraded. But Caleb, for a government to not want
• 25:50
  Speaker 7: certain data released, it does make you ask why is
• 25:55
  Speaker 7: it really the data is inaccurate or is it the
• 25:58
  Speaker 7: data is not telling them what they want want it
• 26:00
  Speaker 7: to say?
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: Well, every other state has released the data, so that
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: this is the first time it was.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: Going to be released publicly.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: I think there's a Queensland and Tasmania have yet to
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: be completed. But every other place has had this data
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: collected about the state of the roads and everywhere else
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: has let it go out, but sound Strate it said,
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: oh no, we can't tell you what's really going on
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: with the roads. And this is a real problem because
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: it's like this is the data that gets used to
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: determine speed limits and all this sort of stuff. I
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: reckon it's because they know how bad the roads are,
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: the condition of the roads, and they just don't want
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: people to know about it. But if you drive on
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: country roads, I can tell you or you.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: Know about it.
• 26:39
  Speaker 8: But it's being done by a federal body.
• 26:41
  Speaker 9: So I would have thought they would want it out
• 26:43
  Speaker 9: there so that they can go and make the case
• 26:46
  Speaker 9: this is why you've got to give us more money,
• 26:48
  Speaker 9: and why Mallly isn't putting it out there as they
• 26:51
  Speaker 9: come into a state election going hey, Albo, maybe need
• 26:55
  Speaker 9: a bit of money for this one, this one and
• 26:56
  Speaker 9: this one because in the report it says how bad
• 26:59
  Speaker 9: they are, and so I don't understand why South Australia
• 27:02
  Speaker 9: would want to keep this under under the carpet.
• 27:05
  Speaker 7: It's very suspicious. But on a similar theme, another thing
• 27:08
  Speaker 7: that's really suspicious is what's going on down in Victoria.
• 27:11
  Speaker 7: They really like to take the whole surveillance state thing
• 27:14
  Speaker 7: to the extreme. They're now trialing a new road safety
• 27:19
  Speaker 7: camera that can catch drivers committing everything from red light
• 27:25
  Speaker 7: running a red light, to driving in bus lanes, not
• 27:27
  Speaker 7: wearing your seatbelt, using your mobile phone, and it's all
• 27:31
  Speaker 7: going to be hooked up to your digital ID.
• 27:33
  Speaker 12: I'm just checking that's coming.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: In fact, they will do a direct gibbet from your
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: bank account before you've even had a chance to look
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: at the fuss and.
• 27:45
  Speaker 7: You'll see you'll see your social credit score just start
• 27:49
  Speaker 7: to tick down, and it'll be very hard. But so
• 27:52
  Speaker 7: this is a US company, Verra Mobility, and it is strange.
• 27:56
  Speaker 7: I mean, I'm all for road safety. I like it,
• 28:00
  Speaker 7: but this idea of sort of an omnipresent road camera
• 28:03
  Speaker 7: that can surveil drivers when they're doing absolutely anything is
• 28:08
  Speaker 7: a bit disconcerting.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: It's at what point does it change from road safety
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: and become revenue raising? I think you know it's so
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: you'll be going three kilometers over the limit with your
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: phone in your hand and your seat belt off, and
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: bang that'll be your license go on for about twenty
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: seven years.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, for goodness sake, I understand.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: The idea to try and reduce crashes and whatever. I
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: think we all get it, we're all behind it. But
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: if you're building a system that you can do everything
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: and then they'll eventually put it everywhere they can possibly
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: get it, the idea is not necessarily to reduce crashes
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: and speeding safety. Look if you look at some of
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: the places where they put speed cameras, you know they're
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: on stretches of road where you go, well, this's not
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: really much happens here, but they know they're going to
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: catch your speeding.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: It's about the revenue. Rais.
• 29:01
  Speaker 9: Go up Oxford Street in Sydney where the speed limit
• 29:04
  Speaker 9: changes every ten meters and the fines are just racking
• 29:09
  Speaker 9: up as people are driving along one thing. But you know,
• 29:11
  Speaker 9: I've got a theory about why they need to keep
• 29:13
  Speaker 9: raising revenue across the board because we keep paying the
• 29:17
  Speaker 9: wages of green staffords. And we've discussed on the program
• 29:21
  Speaker 9: this week, and we've had about Charlie Kirk's memorial and
• 29:25
  Speaker 9: some of the discusting comments that have been made. But
• 29:27
  Speaker 9: David Shubrid's chief of staff has come under fire for
• 29:30
  Speaker 9: some of the comments that she has made on social
• 29:33
  Speaker 9: media media with regards to the murder of Charlie Kirk. Now,
• 29:39
  Speaker 9: the thing that gets me about this and freedom of
• 29:41
  Speaker 9: speeches is absolutely what I support, but there is not
• 29:46
  Speaker 9: freedom from consequence. You know, you can say things that
• 29:49
  Speaker 9: are offensive, but that doesn't mean that it is free
• 29:52
  Speaker 9: from consequence. Now she's a Green staffer, there is absolutely
• 29:57
  Speaker 9: nothing that is going to happen. She's probably going to
• 29:59
  Speaker 9: be being cheered and egged on by those in and
• 30:02
  Speaker 9: around the Greens Party. But the reality is these staff
• 30:05
  Speaker 9: is are paid by the taxpayer, They are paid by
• 30:09
  Speaker 9: you and me, and this is the sort of behavior
• 30:13
  Speaker 9: they're undertaking. And I just think it goes to the
• 30:16
  Speaker 9: heart and nature of the Greens Party, of how disrespectful
• 30:19
  Speaker 9: they are of public discourse, of how they are incapable
• 30:23
  Speaker 9: of engaging in proper conversation, and they are so at
• 30:27
  Speaker 9: the fringes and flanks that I mean, they're unicorn farmers
• 30:32
  Speaker 9: who just are consistently creating more and more issues across
• 30:36
  Speaker 9: our country because of their inability to ever see sense,
• 30:40
  Speaker 9: whether it be socially or economically.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: So the twitching question, why do bad things always happen
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: to the worst people who are actively trying to make
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: the world a more dangerous and violent place.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: I guess we'll never know.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: She says, by the way, that that was about some
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: personal incident and nothing to do with Charlie Cook.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: Now that one.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: It would be great if instead of the tone leasing
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: bull about Charlie Kirk, the left in America and elsewhere
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: was focused on how to prevent how this will be
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: used by the radical right wing to harm communities and
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: consolidate power. Well, I mean, if you didn't shoot a
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: bloke in the neck, it probably wouldn't be an issue,
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: would it. I cannot emphasize enough this is another tweet.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: How beside the point empathy for Charlie Kirk is in
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: the question of power. Even if every progressive condemns this,
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: they are still going to use it against us.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Or use I think is what to type us as
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: type of my page.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: But again, I mean, if the guy wasn't shot dead
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: in the neck in front of a crowd, we probably
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: wouldn't be dealing with this problem, would we.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: Well.
• 31:37
  Speaker 7: She also repeated the ridiculous propaganda that somehow Tyler Robinson,
• 31:43
  Speaker 7: the alleged assassin, was a far right person and the
• 31:47
  Speaker 7: real reason that killed Charlie Kirk was because he wasn't
• 31:50
  Speaker 7: far right enough, I mean, give me a break. And
• 31:52
  Speaker 7: what's so hypocritical from the left is like three weeks
• 31:57
  Speaker 7: ago they were having a meltdown about a gene's ad
• 32:00
  Speaker 7: Sydney Sweeney. Oh it's racist, it's violent, it's horrendous.
• 32:03
  Speaker 10: We have to cancer, we have to handle her.
• 32:06
  Speaker 7: And now a father has been assassinated in front of
• 32:10
  Speaker 7: the world, and why do we even feel bad for him?
• 32:13
  Speaker 7: That's so silly. I mean, seriously, where is the humanity?
• 32:17
  Speaker 7: And the Greens is a political party, have done so
• 32:20
  Speaker 7: much damage to Australia and to our social cohesion. I
• 32:24
  Speaker 7: am perplexed as to how anyone can vote for them.
• 32:27
  Speaker 9: Well, if they didn't have double standards, they wouldn't have
• 32:30
  Speaker 9: any standards at all. That has always been the way
• 32:33
  Speaker 9: of the Greens.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you someone else. I don't have a great
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: deal of sympathy for it the moment.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: Prince Harry, and you'll know, of course, that he was
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: in the UK last week and managed to get a
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: meeting with his father, and the word is that he
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: would apparently like to spend a bit more time back
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: in the UK and see his family, But the King's
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: apparently doland to bag her off Essentially he's made here
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: that you can't be you're.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: Half in, half out.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: A royal source said, the King has been absolutely clear
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: and upholding his late mother's decision that there can be
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: no half in, half out public role for members of
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: the family. That means if you want to be part
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: of the royal family, you're in for the whole shebang.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: You're in for the public service.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: Good on him for doing it. You left us, you
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: left all this behind, you know, as your grandmother was dying.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: You're crapped all over.
• 33:28
  Speaker 9: Absolutely bought a bucket on them at the worst possible time.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: You know what.
• 33:33
  Speaker 9: I've got an idea though, for half in half hour,
• 33:36
  Speaker 9: Harry can go back and Megan can.
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: Stay over in the stage.
• 33:39
  Speaker 9: So half of them goes back in and one half
• 33:41
  Speaker 9: stays out. And I figured that's that's the good half
• 33:44
  Speaker 9: with how we should work with.
• 33:45
  Speaker 7: That, And that really was the Queen's position, and so
• 33:48
  Speaker 7: Charles is just reinforcing what the Queen said, and it
• 33:51
  Speaker 7: makes perfect sense. Being a royal is a privilege, but
• 33:55
  Speaker 7: it comes with responsibility and you can't take all the benefits,
• 33:58
  Speaker 7: the title and the money and the security without actually
• 34:02
  Speaker 7: serving the people.
• 34:03
  Speaker 10: It's not fair.
• 34:04
  Speaker 9: But then don't you feel though at the moment we've
• 34:06
  Speaker 9: got Sarah Ferguson who's looked at the failures of Mega
• 34:09
  Speaker 9: Markle's ventures and how some of this behavior has been occurring,
• 34:13
  Speaker 9: and she's turned around and gone, hold my dear. And
• 34:16
  Speaker 9: now it's come out that Fergie had decided to write
• 34:19
  Speaker 9: gushing emails to Jeffrey Epstein about what a wonderful Supreme
• 34:27
  Speaker 9: friend he was.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: Is it like King.
• 34:31
  Speaker 5: The Supreme Leader?
• 34:31
  Speaker 9: Do you know they do excellent fried chicken? Just an
• 34:33
  Speaker 9: advertising there there's a.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: Great North Korea.
• 34:35
  Speaker 9: No, not in North Korea, there's a place called Supreme Leader.
• 34:38
  Speaker 9: When you said that, sorry, Korean off track a little, people.
• 34:45
  Speaker 8: But the fact that the Duchess of.
• 34:47
  Speaker 9: York at any stage thought this was a good idea,
• 34:49
  Speaker 9: and now a number of charities have dumped her from
• 34:51
  Speaker 9: the boards, I think, as they well should. But the
• 34:54
  Speaker 9: fact that Andrew and Fergie are consistently finding themselves in
• 34:57
  Speaker 9: more and more hot water over there hies to Jeffrey Epstein,
• 35:01
  Speaker 9: and the way that they aim to continue those relationships
• 35:04
  Speaker 9: long after he had been convicted of child sex crimes,
• 35:07
  Speaker 9: I think is a very bad call from them, and
• 35:11
  Speaker 9: clearly we might now know who was giving Harry and
• 35:13
  Speaker 9: Meghan some advice before they did do the mexit.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: Why would you write.
• 35:24
  Speaker 8: Like this is someone who had a toe sucked?
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: The mind.
• 35:29
  Speaker 7: Boggles and Supreme friend, it is a weird it's a
• 35:34
  Speaker 7: weird turn of phrase.
• 35:35
  Speaker 10: Supreme friend, what does that mean?
• 35:37
  Speaker 7: I feel like there's so much more to this story
• 35:40
  Speaker 7: that is still yet to come out.
• 35:41
  Speaker 9: Well, apparently he'd lend her a lot of money, and
• 35:43
  Speaker 9: I think this was her way of trying to apologize
• 35:46
  Speaker 9: from the family with themselves.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: And don't forget she was married to Pristander as well.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: But you know what, I'll give you a quick tip.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: If you're going to criticize your friends in public and
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: then apologize to them later, I don't think that's the
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: sort of friend you should be hanging out with. Real
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: friends don't criticize their friends in public just to save face.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: They stand by their friends anyway. That's what I believe.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: After the break, we'll get into the newspapers to Peter
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: malinowskis the Premier of South Australia. He's giving it to
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: what he calls the eco purists, says let's get on
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: with gas.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: Good on him. That more soon.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: Right, Oh, let's get stuck into the papers. We'll start
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: with the olds tomorrow, Frank.
• 36:30
  Speaker 7: Some great headlines tomorrow. The top one is still out
• 36:34
  Speaker 7: in the cold. Albanezi denied Trump meeting yet again. Anthony
• 36:38
  Speaker 7: Albanesi is prepared to leave New York with only a
• 36:41
  Speaker 7: handshake and fleeting encounter with Donald Trump amid rising internal
• 36:46
  Speaker 7: government expectations the US President will soon host the Prime
• 36:49
  Speaker 7: Minister at the White House for an official bilateral meeting,
• 36:53
  Speaker 7: as mister Albanzi came under fire of the claims he'd
• 36:55
  Speaker 7: been snubbed again by the Republican billionaire. The Australian government
• 36:59
  Speaker 7: is understood to be of the belief that the Trump
• 37:01
  Speaker 7: administration has reached a favorable internal decision to meet with
• 37:06
  Speaker 7: the labor leader. So all still up in the air.
• 37:10
  Speaker 7: Will they won't they? Let's see here was Scott Morrison
• 37:13
  Speaker 7: earlier this evening on the Kenny Report.
• 37:17
  Speaker 13: They've exchanged pleasantries over the phone and we all understand
• 37:20
  Speaker 13: the closeness historically of the relationship and I'm sure that's
• 37:23
  Speaker 13: all been reaffirmed. But there are big issues in the
• 37:26
  Speaker 13: Indo Pacific and our security relationship that we share with
• 37:31
  Speaker 13: the United States in the region, and these conversations, there's
• 37:35
  Speaker 13: always important issues that you really get into the details of.
• 37:39
  Speaker 7: I mean, to go all the way to New York
• 37:41
  Speaker 7: to the US and only get a handshake that is
• 37:45
  Speaker 7: pathetic from Melbourne easy, I not even get.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: A cap the language.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: And I'm not sure whether this is sort of paraphrasing
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: government sources or whether it's actually how the Odds has
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: written it, but to say, you know that the government
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: is of the belief that the Trump administration has reached
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: a favorable internal decision to meet with.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: The labor leader. So what is that actually favorable? You
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: know what?
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: Can I make a suggestion?
• 38:14
  Speaker 9: They should have put that through chat GPT and said
• 38:17
  Speaker 9: what does this actually mean?
• 38:19
  Speaker 5: Because that means.
• 38:20
  Speaker 9: Nothing, and you're not constantly getting told there's going to
• 38:24
  Speaker 9: be a meeting and bilateral a side meeting. Now it's
• 38:27
  Speaker 9: a handshake. I mean, it's just it's getting embarrassing. And
• 38:30
  Speaker 9: it's been really interesting to see the tone change.
• 38:35
  Speaker 5: Of you know, all the labor accolytes.
• 38:37
  Speaker 9: Saying how great it was going to be, was definitely
• 38:39
  Speaker 9: going to get a meeting, and now, of course that
• 38:41
  Speaker 9: doesn't look like it's going to happen. And poor Matt
• 38:43
  Speaker 9: fist always sent out today. Oh that problem, Matt, Matt Matte.
• 38:47
  Speaker 9: Sometimes you've just got to ignore the talking points.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: Love.
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: That was terrible. It is not a good things good.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know.
• 38:54
  Speaker 7: And I think that comment is a whole lot of nothing,
• 38:58
  Speaker 7: and probably alban Easy stuff going, oh my gosh, we
• 39:01
  Speaker 7: need to control the pr of this. Let's leak something
• 39:04
  Speaker 7: to the ohs. But in reality it's a whole lot
• 39:06
  Speaker 7: of nothing. Still no meeting locked in, so still an
• 39:09
  Speaker 7: embarrassing performance from alban Easy. Also in the Australian Tomorrow
• 39:13
  Speaker 7: Gas for Green Goals Malle, South Australian Premier Peter Malanowskis
• 39:19
  Speaker 7: has staged a stunning cross border intervention to fast track
• 39:23
  Speaker 7: the stalled Narrabrie gas project in New South Wales and
• 39:27
  Speaker 7: take an aim at Instagram eco purists for opposing the
• 39:30
  Speaker 7: fossil fuel and putting the transition to net zero emissions
• 39:34
  Speaker 7: at risk. The onshore four billion dollar NARRABRII field, owned
• 39:37
  Speaker 7: by South Australia Santos, could fix a looming East Coast
• 39:41
  Speaker 7: gas shortage and help back up the state's renewables reliant grid,
• 39:45
  Speaker 7: but a decade of regulatory delays and legal challenges have
• 39:48
  Speaker 7: thwarted progress on the development. Mister Malinowskis will tell the
• 39:53
  Speaker 7: Australian's Energy Nation Conference on Wednesday it is now time
• 39:56
  Speaker 7: to bring the project online, with a nod to New
• 39:58
  Speaker 7: South Wales Premier Chris Means as a leader equally cognizant
• 40:02
  Speaker 7: of the need for more domestic gas supply to achieve
• 40:05
  Speaker 7: net zero goals. And that's the thing with gas. Malely
• 40:08
  Speaker 7: raises a good point. You're not going to get to
• 40:11
  Speaker 7: net zero without increased gas supply.
• 40:14
  Speaker 10: It's a key.
• 40:15
  Speaker 7: Transition energy source. And so whether you support climate action
• 40:21
  Speaker 7: or not, everyone can agree we need more gas.
• 40:25
  Speaker 9: Absolutely and well done. You know, I think congratulations to
• 40:28
  Speaker 9: Melanaskis and Pilling. I'm putting this out there, but you know,
• 40:33
  Speaker 9: maybe you can give Chris bow And a call.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: Well there's a few liberals who could take a leaf
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: out of it.
• 40:38
  Speaker 9: Well, you know, I think we could start looking at
• 40:40
  Speaker 9: a few of the liberals who really put roadblocks up
• 40:43
  Speaker 9: for the narrabride gas. I lived up in that part
• 40:47
  Speaker 9: of the world for a long time and we have
• 40:48
  Speaker 9: idiots with the lock the gates, and it was incredible
• 40:51
  Speaker 9: when community members from Maureen around went down to Narrowbie
• 40:54
  Speaker 9: to actually learn how it was going to work and
• 40:56
  Speaker 9: what was going to happen with it, how people went
• 40:58
  Speaker 9: from hearing the propaganda to the actual story and going
• 41:02
  Speaker 9: so much in supportive of what it could make for
• 41:04
  Speaker 9: the local area.
• 41:04
  Speaker 8: But what it could do for the whole of the
• 41:05
  Speaker 8: East Coast. And we need more gas.
• 41:07
  Speaker 9: So well done, Mally, I think you know we could
• 41:09
  Speaker 9: say well done.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: We cam stuff like this is why he will be
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: the supreme leader of a South Australian for the next
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: winning sects. As long as he's better than Dan, he
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: is unassailable because he's sensible.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: And the more he says stuff like this, the more
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: people are back in you.
• 41:23
  Speaker 10: Yeah, exactly.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: Well.
• 41:24
  Speaker 7: Also in the Australian tomorrow, carbon critics must be muzzled.
• 41:28
  Speaker 8: Well, this is Melanascar.
• 41:31
  Speaker 12: They had a muzzlim A human rights watchdog push to
• 41:34
  Speaker 12: outlaw false views on climate change would crash free speech
• 41:39
  Speaker 12: and become a shield to protect Labour's green energy policy struggles.
• 41:43
  Speaker 10: Australians have been warned.
• 41:45
  Speaker 7: The Human Rights Commission has told the Senate that regulation
• 41:48
  Speaker 7: is necessary to stop what it calls misinformation on climate change.
• 41:54
  Speaker 7: That is delaying green action and denying Australians the right
• 41:58
  Speaker 7: to a healthy planet. The AARHC Australian Human Rights Commission
• 42:04
  Speaker 7: has claimed it would only want to muzzle false narratives
• 42:08
  Speaker 7: about climate change to the point it does not interfere
• 42:11
  Speaker 7: with freedom of expression.
• 42:13
  Speaker 8: Yeah right, so bo puist now hate speech.
• 42:17
  Speaker 7: Well, this is a rehash of the misinformation, build the
• 42:21
  Speaker 7: intent behind that. Crush any narrative that contradicts the government's narrative.
• 42:26
  Speaker 7: This is ridiculous and to be applied to climate you
• 42:30
  Speaker 7: already know it's going.
• 42:30
  Speaker 10: To be used to shut down conservatives.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: You know, just lets just outlaw everything that other people
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: say that I don't like that.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: That is where we.
• 42:39
  Speaker 8: Aid, no, no, that's exactly where we're heading.
• 42:41
  Speaker 9: Whether it's a Green staffer that's tweeting it out or
• 42:43
  Speaker 9: whether it's the Australian Human Rights Commissioner, it's just where
• 42:47
  Speaker 9: we are as a nation.
• 42:49
  Speaker 8: So moving on to Queensland.
• 42:50
  Speaker 9: In tomorrow's Career Mail, we've got a really interesting story.
• 42:54
  Speaker 8: Here about Stephen Miles.
• 42:55
  Speaker 9: Obviously a little relevant deprivation syndrome kicking in with Miles
• 42:59
  Speaker 9: in all out attack. Opposition leader Steven Miles has likened
• 43:04
  Speaker 9: the actions of the Chrisofoley government to corrupt overseas regimes
• 43:09
  Speaker 9: and suggested his one hundred and fifty thousand social media
• 43:12
  Speaker 9: followers should protest in the street. In a now deleted video,
• 43:18
  Speaker 9: the former premier raised the examples of recent violent protests
• 43:22
  Speaker 9: in Indonesia, Nepal and the Philippines that have seen government
• 43:27
  Speaker 9: buildings torched, and then asked his followers if Queenslanders should
• 43:32
  Speaker 9: remain silent. His criticism in the video posted to social
• 43:37
  Speaker 9: media on Monday night, but has since been removed. Related
• 43:41
  Speaker 9: to what mister Miles said was the LNP appointing its
• 43:44
  Speaker 9: mates to government roles and boards. The Labor Party and
• 43:48
  Speaker 9: government did the same. Deputy Premier Jared Blay lashed the
• 43:53
  Speaker 9: mister Miles over series like John seriously calling out for
• 43:56
  Speaker 9: demonstrations on the streets and just the comparison to totalitarian regimes,
• 44:04
  Speaker 9: as Julia Gillard would say, that's hyper bowl. The hyperbolely
• 44:08
  Speaker 9: used here is just insulting and the fact that he
• 44:11
  Speaker 9: would put that in a videoy is just is actually dangerous.
• 44:15
  Speaker 9: It's not free to have speech. It's actually almost inciting one.
• 44:17
  Speaker 7: But also those protests in Nepal, for example, they burnt
• 44:21
  Speaker 7: down the Parliament. If he's calling for people to do
• 44:24
  Speaker 7: the same thing, imagine if that was a liberal politician
• 44:27
  Speaker 7: calling invoking the Nepalese protests, they would say January sixth
• 44:32
  Speaker 7: version in Australia insurrection inciting violence.
• 44:36
  Speaker 10: That would be uproar.
• 44:36
  Speaker 7: But no, he's just a delusional Steven Miles.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: I don't call him giggles for nothing.
• 44:41
  Speaker 9: Well, I guess the good news is is Queensland stealing
• 44:44
  Speaker 9: all the costra Victoria. One in ten people applying to
• 44:48
  Speaker 9: go to the Queensland Police are coming from the Victorian
• 44:50
  Speaker 9: Police Force, so there'll be more police than can monitor
• 44:53
  Speaker 9: these riots and protests that Stevin Miles is advocating.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: What a great surprise. They'd want to get out of
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: Victoria very quickly.
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: In front of the hero Son tomorrow, speaking of Victoria,
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: what a joke. Doomsday research released by Climate Change and
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: Energy Minister Chris Bowen was built on a science fiction
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: scenario that does not pass the laugh test. According to
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: a leading US expert on climate policy, Roger Pilke, probably
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: got that wrong.
• 45:16
  Speaker 6: Sorry.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: Roger, formerly of the University of Colorado, said the federal
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: government's Australian Climate Service had behaved like Greenpeace in preparing
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: the National Climate Risk Assessment.
• 45:28
  Speaker 8: There you go, never a true work.
• 45:29
  Speaker 10: Are we really that surprised? Really?
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: And just very quickly as well. Snoop Dogg's in town.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: He's going to be performing at the AFL Grand Final.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: I have a look at that easy.
• 45:40
  Speaker 5: Did you bring Martha Stewart? They're best.
• 45:42
  Speaker 8: I'd have loved to say Martha out there having him he's.
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: Managed to kick a football.
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: Said, look, you know, I'm not a great Snoop Dogg fan,
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: but at least he's on board with the right code.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: After the break dope of the day, we had a
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: pretty good day of the day last night, but this
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: one's pretty close.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: Guy was driving around in a fake police vehicle. He
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: doesn't even know how to spelled police. I'll show that soon.
• 46:08
  Speaker 9: Well, I guess it's that time of night again.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: Of the day.
• 46:17
  Speaker 5: So a young man.
• 46:18
  Speaker 9: Has been busted in Strathfield in Sydney's Inner West, pretending
• 46:25
  Speaker 9: to be a Chinese police officer. He was driving a
• 46:30
  Speaker 9: luxury black Mercedes Benz S Class, which I think might
• 46:34
  Speaker 9: have been the first tip off which bore Chinese police
• 46:39
  Speaker 9: spelt incorrectly on the bonnet, spotted in Everton Road on
• 46:44
  Speaker 9: the eighth of July. Now Traffic and Highway patrol officers
• 46:48
  Speaker 9: arrested him, but they also noticed a Chinese police badge
• 46:52
  Speaker 9: on the side of the car, and police alleged the
• 46:55
  Speaker 9: Baukham Hills man produced false consulate and disability documents and
• 46:59
  Speaker 9: a fake disability pass before officers searched the whole vehicle
• 47:05
  Speaker 9: and seized ammunition. Two firearms, including a gel glass rifle,
• 47:11
  Speaker 9: was subsequently seized at Lee's Baukham Hill's home. Ley is
• 47:15
  Speaker 9: accused of displaying Pelex insignia to misleaked members of the
• 47:20
  Speaker 9: public for an hour on July eighteen. Oil not really,
• 47:24
  Speaker 9: I'm not really sure how many of the public he misled.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: Oh look, the.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: Poils should come and form really scale.
• 47:33
  Speaker 10: What about the firearms at his house? Like? What was
• 47:36
  Speaker 10: this guy trying to do? That is truly a great
• 47:39
  Speaker 10: dope of the day. Well done, Holly. Well.
• 47:41
  Speaker 7: Have you ever come home from a late night you
• 47:44
  Speaker 7: feel bad, You grab a kebab it's the only thing open.
• 47:47
  Speaker 7: Well turns out, well that might make you feel a
• 47:49
  Speaker 7: bit disgusting, it's actually better than cooking. The New South
• 47:53
  Speaker 7: Wales Fire Commissioner has warned that thirty seven percent of
• 47:58
  Speaker 7: residential fires again in the kitchen, and one of the
• 48:02
  Speaker 7: things he warned about was people being drunk while cooking,
• 48:07
  Speaker 7: impairing their judgment and leading to them falling asleep while
• 48:11
  Speaker 7: cooking or leaving the food unattended. So there you go.
• 48:14
  Speaker 7: Be careful, guys, don't drink and cook.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Cooking after you've had a few drinks is
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: one of the great joys of last.
• 48:21
  Speaker 8: Seriously, I don't think people might would get fed because I.
• 48:24
  Speaker 5: Used to get in the.
• 48:25
  Speaker 9: Kitchen of a Sunday afternoon and do a big cook
• 48:27
  Speaker 9: for the week before I go away, or Saturday.
• 48:30
  Speaker 5: Afternoon actually normally, but put the you know, do.
• 48:32
  Speaker 9: A big cook before I was going back, and nothing
• 48:35
  Speaker 9: like a glass of red wine and fleetwood Macy.
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: Let you throw the chef, one for me, one for
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: the food, hey quickly before we go tonother I just
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: want to mak the death of Chris Joanie, who, for
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: those who live in South Australia, Victoria W. Way will
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: know as the man who wrote and sang the theme
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: song to the Footy Show.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: What a bunch of that?
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: I mean that used to be appointment viewing. Unfortunately, died
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: in a crash in ca Punda in South Australia. I'm
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: so sad I don't have James McPherson here to talk
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: footy with.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: But you know that's all right. We'll get through it.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: I love that Joe so much. Bring back Trevor marmalade
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: I Reckon. Thanks for joining us tonight. Up next to
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: read it, Pat and she