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01/30/2025 The Dave Allen Show on 580 Live - Jeff Jenkins, Dr. Casey Sacks, Josh Higginbotham, Justin Hull, Debra Rusnak, Joey Crawford · The Dave Allen Show

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  Speaker 4: Thursday edition of the show, We got decisions yesterday and
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  Speaker 4: not only one, but two high profile criminal cases in
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  Speaker 4: West Virginia. Jeff Jenkins standing by. We'll go to the
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  Speaker 4: newsroom momentarily to talk to him about the verdicant locally
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  Speaker 4: in the White Feather Lance trial. Also later on the show,
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  Speaker 4: Kenawk County Prosecutor Deb Rusnick and Sheriff Joey Crawford will
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  Speaker 4: wait in We'll be talking with doctor Casey Sachsonbridge Valley
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  Speaker 4: a little bit later on the show. And you may
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  Speaker 4: to further equal rights, including to those in the LGB community.
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  Speaker 4: And we're going to talk to Josh Higginbotham about that,
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  Speaker 4: and also the president of the organization will join us
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  Speaker 4: welcome to again Bigley, Pigley Wigby hotline three zero four
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  Speaker 4: Let's start of a newsroom bringing Jeff Jenkins. Jeff, good morning.
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  Speaker 4: We got two verdicts in two big court cases in
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  Speaker 4: the Mountain State yesterday, the Cochrane case in Raleigh County
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  Speaker 4: and again a little closer to the home of the
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  Speaker 4: White Feather Lance trial in the court room of Judge
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  Speaker 4: Acres and Charleston yesterday. Let's start briefly with the Cochran
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  Speaker 4: trial in Beckley, and then we'll move over to the
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  Speaker 4: White Feather Lance case. Probably they got all of the
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  Speaker 4: coverage here locally. Let's talk about the Cochrane trial though quickly.
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  Speaker 4: What happened there?
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  Speaker 6: Okay, So a conviction for Natalie Cochrane, the Raleigh County pharmacist,
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  Speaker 6: former pharmacist who was convicted a couple of years ago
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  Speaker 6: in federal court for running a Ponzi's scheme. And then,
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  Speaker 6: as the investigation continues, investigate investigator said, you know, her
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  Speaker 6: husband died during this ponzi scheme in twenty nineteen, Michael Cochrane.
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  Speaker 6: He died five days after getting sex. So they started
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  Speaker 6: looking at that. They eventually charged her with murder of
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  Speaker 6: poisoning him with insulin. The charges that were at one
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  Speaker 6: time were thrown out. Then his body was exhumed again,
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  Speaker 6: they charged her again, but eventually got the trial right
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  Speaker 6: and so she was on trial for the last couple
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  Speaker 6: of weeks and she was convicted yesterday. After two hours
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  Speaker 6: of deliberating the case, the jury found her guilty of
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  Speaker 6: first degree murder. And it goes to show you, Dave,
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  Speaker 6: that you can get convicted on a circumstantial evidence case. Yes,
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  Speaker 6: a lot of evidence from the prosecution but all circumstantial,
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  Speaker 6: and they did not hide that. They said this is
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  Speaker 6: circumstantial evidence. They got a conviction. And so she's convicted
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  Speaker 6: now first degree murder, faces life in prison for the
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  Speaker 6: rest of her life unless this same jury today grants
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  Speaker 6: her mercy. So that's getting underway right now, the mercy
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  Speaker 6: phase of the trial. So the same jury will hear
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  Speaker 6: evidence from both the prosecution and the defense on why
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  Speaker 6: she suspend the rest of her life in prison or
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  Speaker 6: why she should have mercy, and so her kids will
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  Speaker 6: be on the stand, other supporters of her will be
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  Speaker 6: on the stand, pleading with the jury to give her
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  Speaker 6: fifteen to life, and then if that happened, she would
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  Speaker 6: be she would have a chance for parole fifteen years,
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  Speaker 6: no guarantee, just a chance for parole in fifteen years.
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  Speaker 6: If they decide against that, then she'll go to prison
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  Speaker 6: for the rest of her life. And that's what the
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  Speaker 6: prosecution will be pushing for.
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  Speaker 4: All right, let's bring it locally here for the White
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  Speaker 4: Feather Lanstrom.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, so I've been following this really since the arrest day.
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  Speaker 6: We're out there the day of the arrest October twenty
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  Speaker 6: twenty three, when when the two older children adopted children
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  Speaker 6: were found locked in that shed in the Systemville area.
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  Speaker 6: And then as the investigation continues and Debora Rosnik and
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  Speaker 6: Sheriff Crawford can expand on this too, you know, they
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  Speaker 6: kept finding more and more, they kept uncovering more, and
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  Speaker 6: the charges ended up to be double digit charges against
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  Speaker 6: Jenny K. White Feather and Donald Ray Lance of child trafficking,
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  Speaker 6: forced labor, civil rights violations, abuse, and neglact. And so
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  Speaker 6: we had a long trial about this relationship that these
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  Speaker 6: two had with their adopted kids who who are all black.
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  Speaker 6: And the jury convicted white Feather and Lance on all
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  Speaker 6: but four charge, all but four charges thirty one to
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  Speaker 6: thirty five, and the four chargers were Lance did not
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  Speaker 6: get convicted of the civil rights violation. There was testimony
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  Speaker 6: by some of the kids that he wasn't a racist
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  Speaker 6: and was able to convince the jury that he should
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  Speaker 6: not be charged the civil rights violations. But Genie white
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  Speaker 6: Feather got convicted online all nineteen charges. So they both
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  Speaker 6: face over one hundred years in prison each if all
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  Speaker 6: of these run consecutively. I mean, so you'll see, you know,
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  Speaker 6: Judge Akers will handle the sentencing coming up in March.
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  Speaker 6: But you know, the jury. This jury took about eight hours.
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  Speaker 6: There was a lot of you know, things to go through.
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  Speaker 6: They took about eight hours and then announced their decision
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  Speaker 6: before six o'clock last night.
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  Speaker 4: All Right, Jeff, great job by the news team. I
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  Speaker 4: know we had Morgan and Kat Skelton pretty much in
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  Speaker 4: the in the courtroom the entire time. A great job
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  Speaker 4: and pulling this off. And again we'll talk to Deb
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  Speaker 4: Rosney and Sheriff Joe Crawford about that a little bit
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  Speaker 4: later on the show. Thanks a lot, Joe. Okay, all right,
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  Speaker 4: Casey Sacks of Bridge Valley, Good morning and welcome to
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  Speaker 4: the show.
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  Speaker 7: Hi, Dave, how are you today?
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  Speaker 4: I'm suffering, doctor Sachs, but you're not. But you're not
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  Speaker 4: that kind of doctor. So I don't think you can
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  Speaker 4: help me with a bad cold, can I mean, I'm going.
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  Speaker 7: To tell you to take a day quill.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, well, thank and then charge me one thousand dollars
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  Speaker 4: for that advice.
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  Speaker 8: All right.
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  Speaker 4: I appreciate free advice, free advice from a good all right,
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  Speaker 4: Well I am, and I've got a bunch of cough
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  Speaker 4: drops here in front of me right now too, in
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  Speaker 4: case I nearly choked to death like I did on
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  Speaker 4: the air yesterday morning. Thankfully I had Brian Dayton from
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  Speaker 4: the Chamber of Commerce in and I just kind of
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  Speaker 4: had to give him this little point and say, talk
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  Speaker 4: talk yesterday until I could get through it. But somehow
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  Speaker 4: we'll get through. You know, I don't feel bad at all.
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  Speaker 4: It's just a cold, is all it is.
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  Speaker 7: People.
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  Speaker 4: Well, uh, one of at least one member of the
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  Speaker 4: team has already gotten it. But I think I think
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  Speaker 4: that she's probably the one that brought it to the building,
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  Speaker 4: and I won't throw her under the bus. I mentioned
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  Speaker 4: her name, but.
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  Speaker 5: There you go.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 4: So I know you love doctor Sacks to talk about
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  Speaker 4: for the Win Academy. Explain what the Academy is and
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  Speaker 4: talk about the recognition that it got.
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  Speaker 7: So, the Win Academy is an early charter high school
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  Speaker 7: for students here in the area. We have students from
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  Speaker 7: as far away as Boone County who drive in every
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  Speaker 7: day so that they can have the experience. And it's
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  Speaker 7: college for students who are in their junior and senior
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  Speaker 7: year of high school, and they specialize. Most of our
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  Speaker 7: students want to go into nursing, some of them want
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  Speaker 7: to go into manufacturing. Some of them are going to
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  Speaker 7: change their mind and that's okay too. But it's one
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  Speaker 7: of the first charter schools here in West Virginia, and
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  Speaker 7: we've been recognized by National School Choice Week as one
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  Speaker 7: of just fifteen excellent schools across the country that are
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  Speaker 7: providing something unique to students.
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  Speaker 4: And that's certainly something to be proud of. Again, we're
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  Speaker 4: talking about doctor Casey Sacks of Bridge Valley. Understand kind
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  Speaker 7: We do so up at the tech Park, there's lots
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  Speaker 4: It's a great local business and the great to see
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  Speaker 4: them as part of the tech Park up there. Talk
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  Speaker 9: We do so.
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  Speaker 7: WVU Medicine is very interested in hiring healthcare professionals. They
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  Speaker 7: So they pay them five thousand dollars a semester and
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  Speaker 7: twenty five thousand dollars per student keep them in school.
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  Speaker 7: It's not a tuition scholarship, it's a stipend. So that
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  Speaker 7: they graduate. So they've done it every semester for the
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  Speaker 7: last couple of years and they just signed on another
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  Speaker 4: That's good stuff. Again, we're talking about doctor Casey Sachson,
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  Speaker 4: law firm. You had a fiftieth anniversary. You were telling
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  Speaker 4: me something to do with the dental Hygiene program. Talk
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  Speaker 7: So it's wild because Bridge Valley's only been around for
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  Speaker 7: eleven years, so for us to have a fiftieth year
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  Speaker 7: anniversary seems kind of strange. But the Dental Hygiene program
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  Speaker 7: is an associate's degree program that used to be part
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  Speaker 7: when Bridgemont and Canaw Valley merged eleven years ago, it
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  Speaker 7: became a Bridge Valley program and they've been going for
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  Speaker 7: the last fifty years. So last week. They just had
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  Speaker 7: a fifty year reunion. They did professional development for mini highgienists.
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  Speaker 7: Martha Shuldis, who is a local academic leader who since retired,
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  Speaker 7: came in and gave scholarships to several students. It was
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  Speaker 7: such a nice event. It was just such a terrific
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  Speaker 7: It made you really proud to be part of the community.
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  Speaker 4: Doctor Casey Sacks Abridge Valley, It's always a pleasure to
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  Speaker 4: have you on the show. Where can people learn more
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  Speaker 4: about the exciting stuffs going on up at Bridge Valley?
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  Speaker 7: Bridge Valley dot Edu.
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  Speaker 4: All right, thanks a lot, we'll talk again soon. Thanks
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  Speaker 4: for the advice on the cold too. I appreciate him.
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  Speaker 2: You've met good luck d Thank you, Doctor.
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  Speaker 4: Justin Hall as the president of the organization and also
• 15:48
  Speaker 4: taking part in our segment today. Joshua Higginbotham, former legislator,
• 15:51
  Speaker 4: someone who's been around the political game for some time,
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  Speaker 4: both with me this morning. Josh is here in studio. Josh,
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  Speaker 4: good morning, Well, very good morning to you. Dave and
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  Speaker 4: Justin via the Bigley Picked Lee Wiggly Hotline.
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  Speaker 3: Good morning, Justin, good morning, thank you for having us on.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you both for being here. Justin, I'm going to
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  Speaker 4: start with you, how did you get involved in this organization.
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  Speaker 4: Why do you feel that is important? What does the
• 16:13
  Speaker 4: let me start over, what is the what's the mission
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  Speaker 4: statement of the group, the Log Cabin Republicans in West Virginia.
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  Speaker 3: The mission statement is to include people that are just
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: happen to be Republican and are part of the LBGT
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: group or allies, and to make sure that they have
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: a voice. And of course, the Republican Party is the
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: dominant party in West Virginia, and there's plenty of people
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: already that are part of this group that are in
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: support of these things, and it's important to have that voice.
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  Speaker 4: Joshua.
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  Speaker 15: Yeah.
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  Speaker 13: I'll also add to what Justin is saying. We're a
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  Speaker 13: five oh one C four nonprofit. The organization has been
• 17:01
  Speaker 13: around for many decades nationally, and this is the first
• 17:04
  Speaker 13: time that we've established this chapter in West Virginia. I
• 17:08
  Speaker 13: think that President Trump's victory in November has really emboldened
• 17:11
  Speaker 13: a lot of LGBT people to really show their support
• 17:16
  Speaker 13: for people like President Trump. And I think that his victory,
• 17:21
  Speaker 13: his resounding victory, really showed that LGBT people are welcome
• 17:26
  Speaker 13: in the Republican Party. And there's a lot of people
• 17:28
  Speaker 13: who in our community who are sick and tired of
• 17:31
  Speaker 13: the woke leftist nonsense and they want to have a voice.
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: I mean the example, Joshua, some of what you see
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: is the woke nonsense.
• 17:39
  Speaker 13: Well, I'll start with the border. So I think that
• 17:42
  Speaker 13: with the invasion that we've seen over the last four
• 17:44
  Speaker 13: years of literally millions of illegal migrants entering this country,
• 17:49
  Speaker 13: that is the kind of policy that so many Americans
• 17:53
  Speaker 13: and West Virginians are sick of, including a lot of
• 17:56
  Speaker 13: LGBT people. You take other socialist policy is like universal healthcare,
• 18:02
  Speaker 13: like higher taxes, this this woke green New Deal. There's
• 18:06
  Speaker 13: so many different policies that a lot of LGBT people
• 18:09
  Speaker 13: who are very conservative, a lot of us are very conservative,
• 18:14
  Speaker 13: are are fundamentally against and we are we are tired
• 18:17
  Speaker 13: of it. And that's why the log Cabin Republicans exist.
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: Now justin I'm sure you would echo the comments that
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: that Joshua just put out there, but sometimes I guess
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: you think. I guess people tend to stereotype people. I know,
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: shock right now, it's a shock that people would actually stereotype,
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: but they think, well, if you're part of that community,
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: then there's no way you can be a Republican. You
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: can't be a conservative just and speak to that.
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: Sure, there's no usually exclusive that you can obviously be
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: for things like lower taxes, a second Amendment, these general
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: principles that the Republican Party has in be part of
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: this group. Gig let's the and bisection transgender uh. And
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: that's why the Log Cabin Republicans are here. As far
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: as that there there are sometimes some misnumbers. I mean
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: Trump has had one or two weddings for Saint Sex
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: couples at mar A Lago. He's of course appointed Rick
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: Cornell in the previous administration, some in this one as well,
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: who's openly gay. And Scott Besson, the new treasure was
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: just confirmed too. And it's important to note that these
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: people just happen to be gay, uh, and they are
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: not selected because of that. It's just they just happen
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: to be and they're the best qualified person for the job.
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: And we're no matter what they're in the characteristics happen
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  Speaker 3: to be Josh, let.
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: Me ask you this. There's been a lot of in
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: the news here lates lately about the e I I mean,
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: and the President spoken about it, Governor Morrissey has spoken
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: about it. Where is I know you're not say, pokesperson
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: for the organization, but where primarily does this organization fall
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: on issues like DEI.
• 20:06
  Speaker 13: Well, again, we do support President Trump and Governor Morrissey wholeheartedly.
• 20:12
  Speaker 13: In terms of specific policies like DEI the log cabin,
• 20:16
  Speaker 13: Republicans favor a merit based system. Whoever is the most
• 20:21
  Speaker 13: qualified person for a job in our state government and
• 20:24
  Speaker 13: in our federal government should get that job. In eight
• 20:27
  Speaker 13: characteristics like race, gender, sexual orientation, national origin. We should
• 20:32
  Speaker 13: not discriminate on those bases, but we definitely should not
• 20:36
  Speaker 13: favor people because they're from a minority group. Discrimination is
• 20:40
  Speaker 13: bad and it can go both ways. So we are
• 20:44
  Speaker 13: entirely in favor of a merit based system.
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: Josh eggenbothamme and Justin Holler here from the log Cabin
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• 21:06
  Speaker 4: and people that listen to the show will know. Josh
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  Speaker 4: can tell you that we get a lot of texts
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  Speaker 4: to the show, so Josh was always up to bat
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: ready to take some You're ready for some texts? Absolutely, Texas.
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  Speaker 4: How can LGBT people support a party who has a
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: majority of members who don't think they should be able
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: to marry someone of the same sex, Well, I.
• 21:25
  Speaker 13: Disagree with that person. So there was a Fox News
• 21:28
  Speaker 13: poll conducted a couple of years ago that showed fifty
• 21:30
  Speaker 13: five percent of Republicans in this country support marriage equality.
• 21:35
  Speaker 13: I think personally that number is actually higher because I
• 21:39
  Speaker 13: think that there are generational differences. If you talk to
• 21:43
  Speaker 13: most people under the age of fifty, almost all conservative
• 21:49
  Speaker 13: and Republican young people under that age, the vast majority
• 21:53
  Speaker 13: are perfectly fine with it. It's just not an issue
• 21:55
  Speaker 13: that I think most voters, even Republican voters, care about.
• 22:00
  Speaker 13: Twenty years ago, that would have been a different story.
• 22:02
  Speaker 13: But I do think that generationally it has it has changed,
• 22:05
  Speaker 13: and that change has been brought on by President Trump,
• 22:07
  Speaker 13: who is supportive of marriage equality.
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: Do you think the change has been brought on by
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: President Trump.
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  Speaker 13: I think it's a mix between the generations taking a turn,
• 22:18
  Speaker 13: and you know, millennials and Gen Z voters now are
• 22:21
  Speaker 13: a majority. But I also think that President Trump really
• 22:25
  Speaker 13: contributed to that. He was elected in twenty sixteen in
• 22:29
  Speaker 13: favor of gay marriage. Barack Obama in twenty eight and
• 22:33
  Speaker 13: in twenty twelve ran opposed to gay marriage publicly, and
• 22:37
  Speaker 13: Trump did not. He's in favor of it.
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: I think we're also getting to a place in America,
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: where you have more people that are like I am,
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: that just simply don't care. I don't It's none of
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: my business. I just I don't care what you do exactly.
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: Maybe that's a las fair attitude, but I.
• 22:54
  Speaker 13: Just like, yeah, and I think that's where most people are, all.
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: Right, justin I had a text here along those same lines,
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: But I'll let you answer it. How can someone be
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: supportive of President Trump went on day one by executive order,
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: he rolled back protections for LGBTQ individuals.
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: Yes, the Log Cabin Republicans again believe in a very
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: merit based system with that in as far as any
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: executive orders that may have been concerned of the national
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: if we see an issue, they're going to look at
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: that and we'll speak to that national organization.
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  Speaker 13: And President Trump has had a very open door policy
• 23:40
  Speaker 13: with the Log Cabin Republicans. He has taken meetings, he's
• 23:44
  Speaker 13: hosted events. I actually went to mar A Lago a
• 23:47
  Speaker 13: couple of years ago and he was the keynote at
• 23:50
  Speaker 13: the Log Cabin gala that we had at mar A Lago.
• 23:53
  Speaker 13: We even presented an award to First Lady Milania Trump.
• 23:57
  Speaker 13: She spoke out in favor of our our national organization.
• 24:01
  Speaker 13: So he's had a very very open door policy. And
• 24:05
  Speaker 13: I'll remind you of just how far both parties have
• 24:09
  Speaker 13: come in the last twenty years. And there's been a
• 24:13
  Speaker 13: lot of progress in recent years.
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  Speaker 4: where does the name log cabin Republicans come from?
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  Speaker 13: Well, you know, Abraham Lincoln, who was one of the
• 24:30
  Speaker 13: founders of the Republican Party and he was the first
• 24:33
  Speaker 13: Republican president, was born in a log cabin, and so
• 24:36
  Speaker 13: we are basing our history as an organization off of
• 24:41
  Speaker 13: the history of the Republican Party, and we did that
• 24:44
  Speaker 13: in honor of former President Abraham Lincoln.
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  Speaker 4: Tex says, I think most moderate Republicans couldn't care less
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: who people marry.
• 24:51
  Speaker 13: I agree, I agree. I think the majority of the Republicans, conservative,
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  Speaker 13: moderate and libertarian don't care.
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  Speaker 2: But there are.
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  Speaker 4: People, I mean, Josh, I mean, you know, I know
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  Speaker 4: they're there are people, especially in West Virginia, that this
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: is going to fly directly in the face of in
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  Speaker 4: in their in their their belief systems. Because West Virginia
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: tends to be a little bit I don't. I don't
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  Speaker 4: will say behind the times because it looks like I'm
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: judging people, but but we don't. We're not always adept
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  Speaker 4: to change like other states are.
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  Speaker 13: We are an older state by population, and I think
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  Speaker 13: you do see some social values that are reflected by
• 25:27
  Speaker 13: our demographics. But I think that that is changing as well. Yeah,
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  Speaker 13: some people will be offended, they can be offended. We're
• 25:35
  Speaker 13: We're not advocating for or against any specific policies. We're
• 25:38
  Speaker 13: not This is not a pack, we're not electioneering. We're
• 25:42
  Speaker 13: not trying to get people elected. We are focused on
• 25:44
  Speaker 13: education and informing the Republican Party and the LGBT community
• 25:48
  Speaker 13: and trying to build those bridges between between the two groups.
• 25:53
  Speaker 13: And and I think it's pretty telling you're not not
• 25:55
  Speaker 13: to personalize this at all. You know, I got almost
• 25:59
  Speaker 13: sixty thousand Republican votes last year in the election. I
• 26:02
  Speaker 13: got three times as many votes as Mac Warner, twice
• 26:04
  Speaker 13: as many votes as Chris Miller, gentleman who I love
• 26:08
  Speaker 13: and I have great respect for, and I did that
• 26:12
  Speaker 13: as an openly gay man in West Virginia, and I
• 26:15
  Speaker 13: think that the majority of voters even here in West
• 26:17
  Speaker 13: Virginia don't care.
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  Speaker 4: Texas. These guests are both hypocritical and ignorant. They have
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: a besmirched Lincoln's legacy. They might want to do some
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: reading about Abraham Lincoln. Then I'll just leave it at that. Well,
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: there you go, there you go.
• 26:31
  Speaker 13: I'll let whoever said that have that opinion.
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: That's fine. So I mean you said that you're not
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: out trying to get candidates elected, gas or anything like that.
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: But I mean, what's the next year look like for you?
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: I mean, are you going to be at the capitol
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: doing the session or what do you plan on doing?
• 26:45
  Speaker 16: Oh?
• 26:45
  Speaker 13: Absolutely, yeah, yeah, So we're we're going to be at
• 26:47
  Speaker 13: the Capitol just meeting with legislators. Again, we're not focused
• 26:51
  Speaker 13: on any bills. That's not the purpose of this organization.
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: But could it, But could it become that at some
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: point though? I mean, if there's something on the agenda
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: that comes out that maybe get your interest that you're
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: strongly in favor of, are strongly opposed.
• 27:03
  Speaker 13: To, well, if anybody at the Capital asks for our opinion,
• 27:08
  Speaker 13: then I'm sure that our members may have an opinion
• 27:11
  Speaker 13: and be willing to share that, but our priority is
• 27:14
  Speaker 13: just to inform and educate legislators, voters, and the LGBT
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  Speaker 13: community as a whole about this organization and that there
• 27:24
  Speaker 13: are plenty of gay conservatives like Justin and myself.
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: Justin, I appreciate you being here, making your first time
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: on the show. Hope it won't be your last time.
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: Josh as a regular here, he's on from time to time.
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: What message do you want to leave the listeners with
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: this morning?
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  Speaker 3: Justin, Yes, just a little bit, but not too personal.
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  Speaker 3: But since I've moved back to my home stage two
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: years ago, which I have absolutely loved, I've had no
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: issues at all. I'm open, I have a relationship and
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: that who I am and everything, and you know, planning
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: a wedding and all of that, and I've had no issues.
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  Speaker 3: I'm very upfront with the Vineyards. Have had no issues
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: at all with anybody having an issue with it, not
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: wanting to do business or anything like that. It's been
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: a very positive experience and in general, people just don't care.
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: They're happy for us, and that's that.
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: Joshua, Yeah, same thing.
• 28:20
  Speaker 13: I'm also planning a wedding, not to Justin someone else,
• 28:25
  Speaker 13: and Justin as a friend. He's getting married in April,
• 28:28
  Speaker 13: and I'll be at the wedding, and I plan to
• 28:30
  Speaker 13: invite him to my wedding next year, same exact thing.
• 28:33
  Speaker 13: The vast majority of people here are warm, welcoming, inviting,
• 28:37
  Speaker 13: and I'm going to invite all the listeners today to
• 28:40
  Speaker 13: follow us on Facebook, follow us on x and take
• 28:45
  Speaker 13: a look at our social media. We will be active,
• 28:48
  Speaker 13: and we will be in all fifty five counties at
• 28:50
  Speaker 13: different Lincoln dinners, at the legislative session, and of course
• 28:55
  Speaker 13: in the media too.
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: If I invited to your wedding, of course, what kind
• 28:59
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  Speaker 4: That's all. It's important to me. I don't care what's
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• 29:06
  Speaker 13: Yeah, weddings are the food at the weddings are the
• 29:09
  Speaker 13: best part.
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: All right, all right, Yes, I appreciate you being here, Justin.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you for making make it time to be with
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: this morning. Joshua's always a pleasure to see you as well.
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: I appreciate you guys, Thanks a lot, Thanks Dave. All Right,
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  Speaker 4: if you're under eighteen. The purpose of a log cabin
• 33:28
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• 33:31
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• 33:48
  Speaker 4: can live how they choose to live. As a text. Yesterday,
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: in the courtroom of Judge Mary Clair Akers here in Charleston,
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: Donald Ray Lance and jen A Genie Whitefeather were found
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: guilty of thirty one three thirty five Council was a
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: horrific crime and quite frankly, some gut wrenching testimony over
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: the last couple of weeks of prosecuting the case was
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: Deb Rosney cause she joined us in studio along the
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: Nawak Cauddy's Sheriff Joe Crawford, Prosecutor Rosney, good morning, welcome
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: to the show.
• 34:12
  Speaker 16: Good morning, thank you for having me.
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: And Sheriff Crawford also a pleasure to have you here
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: as well. Thank you, Dave for having us appreciate it.
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: Everyone will start with you. You know, cases like these are
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: are are never easy. And you were just elected, you know,
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: as the Canawa County prosecutor and you know, straight out
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: trade out. I know you've had other cases obviously, but
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: this is the one that garnered all the headlines, your
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: first big case that garnered the headlines. I guess you
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: would say at least one of them. Anyway. That testimony though,
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: that came out of that of that trial was just surreal,
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: to to say the least.
• 34:49
  Speaker 16: It absolutely was.
• 34:50
  Speaker 19: You know, when you have any child that is a
• 34:53
  Speaker 19: victim and a case, it's going to be heart wrenching,
• 34:56
  Speaker 19: it's going to be hard. But when you have children
• 34:59
  Speaker 19: who are victimized to such a degree, I mean really,
• 35:04
  Speaker 19: it takes a place in your heart and your mind
• 35:07
  Speaker 19: that really drives you to want to get justice for
• 35:11
  Speaker 19: those children and to make the people who perpetrated these
• 35:15
  Speaker 19: crimes upon them to pay for that.
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: And Sheriff Crawford, you've been in the law enforcement game
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: for a long time now, right.
• 35:22
  Speaker 11: Yes, sir, about thirty eight thirty nine years.
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: And I know You've seen a lot of horrific crimes,
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: but this is probably not that you want to rank them,
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: because these are humans we're talking about. But this has
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: got to rank right up there, absolutely.
• 35:32
  Speaker 11: And I think, Dave, what's the most important thing is
• 35:36
  Speaker 11: you see something, say something. We were fortunate, you know,
• 35:40
  Speaker 11: with the witnesses and the neighbors in that neighborhood. They
• 35:43
  Speaker 11: saw something, they said something, We responded, and you know,
• 35:47
  Speaker 11: our men and women from road patrol up through the
• 35:50
  Speaker 11: detective euro that worked the case. We can't say enough
• 35:54
  Speaker 11: about how that transparent came together. And I think it's
• 35:59
  Speaker 11: a team effort. I think deb would probably agree that
• 36:03
  Speaker 11: when when you put your resources together and you come
• 36:05
  Speaker 11: together and you get this this kind of result, I think, Uh,
• 36:10
  Speaker 11: I think it says a lot about the the men
• 36:12
  Speaker 11: and women that we have uh working for us, and
• 36:15
  Speaker 11: then the the neighborhood and the community coming together saying
• 36:19
  Speaker 11: saying something.
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: You know something that that my wife actually brought up
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: to me last night. We were talking when I was
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: going back and forth texting people and trying to get
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: you know you guys lined up to be on the show.
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: She pointed out something that I didn't think of that's
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: what spouses are good for sometimes, you know. She she,
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: she woint out to me something about, Uh, this couple
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: are not from this area. Has been pointed out by
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: several people that they chose to live here in the
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: Sistantville area. They're not from this area, but they have
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: there's reason. Let me just say this, I don't want
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: to say too much get myself sued here. There is
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: reason to believe that maybe this behavior wasn't exclusive to
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: West Virginia, that it may have gone on in in
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: other areas. If that is the case, what does it
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: say that the West Virginia people were the ones that
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: got involved. If if that's the case, the West Virginia neighbors,
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: as Sheriff Crawford said, they're the ones that came forward
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: and said, hey, something's not right here.
• 37:13
  Speaker 16: That's absolutely correct.
• 37:15
  Speaker 15: You know.
• 37:15
  Speaker 16: I think evidence in the trial.
• 37:16
  Speaker 19: Evidence came out in the trial that did indicate that
• 37:19
  Speaker 19: this was not exclusive to West Virginia and that these
• 37:22
  Speaker 19: children had lived a life with crimes being perpetrated upon
• 37:27
  Speaker 19: them in multiple states. But I do think that at
• 37:32
  Speaker 19: the end of the day, had it not been for
• 37:34
  Speaker 19: our community and the relationships that West Virginians have with
• 37:38
  Speaker 19: their neighbors. Then I don't think we ever would have
• 37:42
  Speaker 19: known what was really happening with these children. And thank god,
• 37:46
  Speaker 19: thank god they called in because they saved those children absolutely.
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: And you we're talking with the Kenowg County prescut or
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: dead Brosny coldhare of Joe Crawford about the decision that
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: was rendered yesterday. It was thirty thirty one or the
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: thirty five countsils of what it was.
• 37:59
  Speaker 16: It was a count in diet.
• 38:00
  Speaker 19: Okay, okay, I think each definite I think Definite white
• 38:04
  Speaker 19: Feather had sixteen don't quote me on that convictions and
• 38:09
  Speaker 19: Definite Lance had twelve convictions and it's correct.
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and either way, neither one of them is going
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: to be seeing the light of day anytime said it.
• 38:16
  Speaker 16: Doesn't it doesn't look like it.
• 38:17
  Speaker 19: Of course, we can't speak for the court and how
• 38:20
  Speaker 19: the court will sentence. But the maximum exposure that Definite
• 38:23
  Speaker 19: white Feather was facing was two hundred and fifteen years,
• 38:26
  Speaker 19: and then yesterday we did some calculations that were not accurate,
• 38:31
  Speaker 19: so it went back and double checked, and it looks
• 38:34
  Speaker 19: like it's more up to one hundred and forty years
• 38:37
  Speaker 19: maximum exposure for Donald Lance. So Originally, I think we
• 38:41
  Speaker 19: had indicated it was going to be seventy five years.
• 38:43
  Speaker 19: It's actually one hundred and forty years.
• 38:45
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  Speaker 16: It was vitral.
• 39:08
  Speaker 19: It was vital because the jury needed to hear from
• 39:12
  Speaker 19: them what happened to them. And that's not something that
• 39:16
  Speaker 19: any attorney. And albeit Madison Tuck and Chris Ravagnac put
• 39:20
  Speaker 19: on a case that it was unmatched. They did a
• 39:25
  Speaker 19: brilliant job at presenting the evidence. But had they not
• 39:28
  Speaker 19: had the testimony of those children to substantiate the allegations,
• 39:33
  Speaker 19: to really explain what happened and what they had survived,
• 39:36
  Speaker 19: I don't know that we would have gotten the outcome
• 39:38
  Speaker 19: that we did.
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: It's I mean, this is one of those cases and
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: I've been in media for almost thirty seven years. That
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: and kind of piggyback and what I said to you,
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: Sheriff Crawford, about how you see these cases and things
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: just stick out in your mind and the image. And
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: I didn't follow the trial as closely as what our
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: news team did, but I mean just the images of
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: that of the of the of the shed and the barn,
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: and the way that they were allegedly forced to use
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: the well. I say use the restroom, there wasn't a restroom.
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: I mean just horrific, for lack of a better.
• 40:10
  Speaker 19: Term, absolutely horrific. In fact, the night that I took
• 40:14
  Speaker 19: Detective Pole called me. It was very very late, maybe
• 40:17
  Speaker 19: two o'clock in the morning, and Detective Pole called me
• 40:19
  Speaker 19: and explained the situation that we were encountered with.
• 40:23
  Speaker 16: I didn't know how to react.
• 40:24
  Speaker 19: I didn't know that this was something that people really
• 40:28
  Speaker 19: could do to someone else, especially a child. And she
• 40:33
  Speaker 19: and I sat down on and we really tried to
• 40:35
  Speaker 19: talk through it, and fortunately.
• 40:37
  Speaker 16: We got the team together.
• 40:39
  Speaker 19: And we were able to get it charged the way
• 40:42
  Speaker 19: it needed to be charged and get the convictions that
• 40:44
  Speaker 19: we needed.
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: And that's important in the world of legal lees. Is
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: getting the charges right. Because you can obviously as a
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  Speaker 4: prosecutor or even you know, as whether you're an attorney,
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: anybody involved with the legal system, you can say, Okay,
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: this is what it is. But you got to get
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: the wording rights to make sure that everything that you
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: get through the result that you desire.
• 41:07
  Speaker 16: Absolutely.
• 41:08
  Speaker 19: And one thing we focused on and we were kind
• 41:11
  Speaker 19: of disappointed to learn, is the state of West Virginia
• 41:13
  Speaker 19: does not have any statute that addresses torture. And that's
• 41:19
  Speaker 19: what these children they experienced. They were tortured. And so
• 41:24
  Speaker 19: to be able to take all of the facts that
• 41:26
  Speaker 19: we had in front of us and find crimes that fit,
• 41:30
  Speaker 19: you know, that's our job.
• 41:30
  Speaker 16: And that's what we did.
• 41:31
  Speaker 19: And I have to commend my team in the Sheriff's apartment.
• 41:34
  Speaker 19: I mean, had the Sheriff's apartment not presented us with
• 41:38
  Speaker 19: the evidence we needed and had my office and my
• 41:42
  Speaker 19: attorneys not stepped in and said let's figure out what
• 41:45
  Speaker 19: really fits here and what we can do, I do
• 41:47
  Speaker 19: not believe we would have gotten the outcome.
• 41:50
  Speaker 11: And I think we're in uncharted territory too, because these
• 41:54
  Speaker 11: charges are not it's not common. Charge is broad in
• 41:58
  Speaker 11: the state system see some of these charges brought fatherly,
• 42:03
  Speaker 11: but I think this may be one of the first, uh,
• 42:06
  Speaker 11: because the statutes are fairly new. I don't know when
• 42:08
  Speaker 11: they were passed, but I know they are fairly new statutes.
• 42:12
  Speaker 11: And when you sat down, you you put the team together,
• 42:14
  Speaker 11: and you're trying to look at all the elements of
• 42:17
  Speaker 11: based on the evidence that you have. I mean, there
• 42:19
  Speaker 11: was a lot of a lot of prep work, a
• 42:21
  Speaker 11: lot of work that went in behind the scenes getting
• 42:24
  Speaker 11: this thing ready and making sure we we got we
• 42:27
  Speaker 11: got it right. And I think this is one example
• 42:30
  Speaker 11: when you set down and you have that team working together,
• 42:33
  Speaker 11: bringing bringing the charges that need to be brought. And
• 42:36
  Speaker 11: you know, some some some people may have not thought
• 42:39
  Speaker 11: that the elements or the evidence was strong enough to
• 42:42
  Speaker 11: maybe to prove some of it. But UH, hats off,
• 42:46
  Speaker 11: uh too to to the prosecutor's office and.
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: Our men and women for bringing a case. I think
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: it's a good case.
• 42:52
  Speaker 11: I think when you look back at it, UH, you'll
• 42:55
  Speaker 11: probably see other cases probably brought, uh maybe as a
• 42:59
  Speaker 11: result of this and getting that information out. Obviously, we
• 43:04
  Speaker 11: think it's one of the first cases tried on these statutes.
• 43:07
  Speaker 16: I do I believe, and I could be wrong.
• 43:10
  Speaker 19: I do believe this is the first human trafficking conviction
• 43:14
  Speaker 19: in state coordinationwide.
• 43:15
  Speaker 16: Do not quote me on that, but I do believe that.
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: Is the case. And you mentioned about that West Virginia
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: doesn't have a for lack of but a term a
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: torture statute. A lot of legislators listen to this show.
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: Are you listening? Legislators? Are you listening? Speaker and Senate President,
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: so on and so word. Maybe it's time we get there.
• 43:33
  Speaker 19: Yes, yes, I think it is, And I think I
• 43:35
  Speaker 19: would be happy to sit down and talk about this
• 43:37
  Speaker 19: case with anyone who would be willing to hear out
• 43:42
  Speaker 19: you know, the facts of this case and help us
• 43:44
  Speaker 19: find some.
• 43:44
  Speaker 16: Sort of legislation to get it.
• 43:48
  Speaker 13: You know.
• 43:48
  Speaker 19: Ultimately, yes, we got a conviction, and we got convictions
• 43:52
  Speaker 19: on charges that fit, but I think it could have
• 43:54
  Speaker 19: been so much more had we had some sort of
• 43:58
  Speaker 19: legislation for something like torture.
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  Speaker 4: Talking again with the Knaw County Prosecutor Deb Rusnick and
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  Speaker 4: oh six, So we'll give you a little bit of
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  Speaker 4: a break, you know. But we did have a text
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: or somebody said, what is the status of the children today?
• 44:33
  Speaker 19: I can tell you that the children are safe, They
• 44:36
  Speaker 19: are being well caared for. From my experience with them
• 44:40
  Speaker 19: throughout the ones that I was able to have contact
• 44:43
  Speaker 19: with throughout the course of the trial, they are thriving
• 44:46
  Speaker 19: and I believe they will continue to thrive.
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: Get a little teary add there, That is Rard you
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: were I noticed in the presser last night you were
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: getting a little teary eyed there as well.
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  Speaker 19: Yes, why again, we take this personally. These people matter
• 45:01
  Speaker 19: and if you don't care about people, and you don't
• 45:04
  Speaker 19: care about children, particularly for me, I'm in the wrong business.
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  Speaker 19: Because this job is it requires you to care. It
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  Speaker 19: requires you to care about your community in order to be.
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  Speaker 16: Able to do a good job.
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  Speaker 19: And so you know, to see what these children suffered
• 45:21
  Speaker 19: and to see them finally happy and thriving.
• 45:25
  Speaker 16: It's touching, all right.
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  Speaker 4: Show Joe Crawford and Kenawh County Prosecutor Debruhsic. I appreciate
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  Speaker 8: Lot a lot of news this morning, lot going on.
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  Speaker 4: I missed it to Jeff yesterday. I don't know that
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  Speaker 4: at one time and Virginia we had two high profile
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  Speaker 4: cases like the Cochrane case in Beckley and the White
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  Speaker 4: Feather and Lance case here in Kadala County that got
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  Speaker 4: on court television and the White Feather and Lance trial,
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  Speaker 4: and talking to Prosecutor Rusnic, it looks like there may
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: have been some some some precedents set here for some
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  Speaker 4: of these for some of these cases. I mean, you
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  Speaker 4: don't want to have these sort of things, and you
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  Speaker 4: your state. But nonetheless, we had two major cases that
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  Speaker 4: were coinciding, you know, running running parallel to each other,
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  Speaker 4: and then we get we get decisions yesterday, you know.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, and I don't recall that either, that you bring
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  Speaker 8: that up, that we have them in parallel at the
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  Speaker 8: same time. Of course, we'll talk with deb again on
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  Speaker 8: talk Line coming up at ten oh six, along with
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  Speaker 8: the sheriff. But in the Cochrane case today, you know,
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  Speaker 8: that went straight to sentencing, So they're they're in the
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  Speaker 8: sentencing phase today. And what I'm told is that her
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  Speaker 8: the stand for the prosecution and very much go the
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  Speaker 8: other way. So that'll be interesting to see what happens
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  Speaker 8: today is that sentencing hearing from Mercy unfolds.
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  Speaker 4: So what else you got on the show today?
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  Speaker 8: So again we talked about We're gonna have a Deborah
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  Speaker 8: and Joe back to talk coming up at ten twenty three.
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  Speaker 8: We'll talk about yesterday's accident at Reagan National dig into
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  Speaker 8: that with Ryan Schmels. He is on the scene on
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  Speaker 8: site in Washington. We'll talk with him ten thirty three.
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  Speaker 8: David Goldberg from Van Dandia Health joins us, they've got
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  Speaker 8: an intermed lab project and if you're like me, I
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  Speaker 8: didn't know what that was. I had to look it up.
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  Speaker 8: It's basically a medical incubator. They're extending that down into Charleston.
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  Speaker 8: They already have it going in Morgantown. So we'll talk
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  Speaker 8: with them and the Goat at eleven six. It's Hoppy Thursday,
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  Speaker 8: Hoppy as I like to call it, and he opines
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  Speaker 8: today at wv metronews dot com with his weekly commentary
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  Speaker 8: about the fact that the House of Delegates will be
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  Speaker 8: doing a way if the rule revision stands with public hearings.
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  Speaker 8: You know, we're used to seeing a public hearing in
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  Speaker 8: the House where you know, thirty people can come up
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  Speaker 8: and get their minutes or their minute and a half,
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  Speaker 8: whatever time allows, and have their say. That's not going
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  Speaker 8: to happen. It's all part of the restructuring that Speaker
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  Speaker 8: Hanshaw has going on. Hoppy says, that's a good thing.
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  Speaker 8: I will play Devil's Advocate with him and argue as
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  Speaker 8: to why I think that practice should continue, just to
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  Speaker 8: make it, you know, fun. I can't agree with Hoppy
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  Speaker 8: on everything.
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  Speaker 4: There is a lot. There are a lot of people
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  Speaker 4: though that have said that they don't think it's a
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  Speaker 4: good thing. So I'm gonna have to have to weigh
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  Speaker 4: in on that myself at some future point. Go back
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  Speaker 4: and study it, all right, TJ. I appreciate you man,
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  Speaker 4: Thanks a lot, you too, brother coming on on Tomors.
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  Speaker 4: this week's Adopt Me Please pet of the Week Tim Brady,
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