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Speaker 1: So imagine finding the most famous woman on earth dead in.
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Speaker 2: Her bedroom, right, and you are her housekeeper exactly.
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Speaker 1: You frantically call her personal.
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Speaker 2: Doctors and they rush right over.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they get there, They smash a window to get
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inside the locker room, and they officially confirm that she
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is gone.
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Speaker 2: But instead of immediately picking up the phone to call
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the police, you know, doing the normal thing.
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Speaker 1: Right, instead of doing that, you walk out of that bedroom,
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gather up some clothes, go into the utility room, and
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start a little laundry.
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Speaker 2: Which is just completely wild to think about.
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Speaker 1: It's four in the morning, your employer is dead in
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the next room, and you are literally separating the whites
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and the colors. Yeah, that is exactly the bizarre, terrifying,
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and completely verifiable scenario that played out on the morning
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of August fifth, nineteen sixty two.
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Speaker 2: When you look at human behavior in the immediate aftermath
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of a trauma, extreme anomalies like midnight laundry don't just
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happen in a vacuum.
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Speaker 1: No, of course not.
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Speaker 2: They are usually the physical manifestation of a frantic, hidden agenda,
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and that single detail is really what cracks open the
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facade of this being an open and shut case.
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Speaker 1: Okay, let's unpack this because today we are doing a
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massive deep dive into a locker room mystery that is
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haunted forensic pathologists, historians, and well the public for over
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six decades.
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Speaker 2: The death of Marilyn Monroe.
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Speaker 1: Yes, we are looking at a towering stack of source
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material to help you, the listener, separate the Hollywood mythology
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from hard forensic science.
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Speaker 2: There is so much to go through here.
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Speaker 1: Oh, there is. We were pulling directly from the original
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nineteen sixty two Los Angeles County Corners Report and the
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personal memoirs of Deputy Corner Thomas Nogucci, plus.
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Speaker 2: The sweeping nineteen eighty two District Attorney Threshold investigation.
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Speaker 1: Exactly along with exhaustive investigative books by journalists Anthony Summers
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and Mike roth Miller. And we are even bringing this
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right up.
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Speaker 2: To the present day, which is where the technology gets
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really interesting.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're going to look at the cutting edge twenty
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twenty six AI recreations of the crime scene, specifically those
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groundbreaking models that were featured in the recent Fox and
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TMZ Investigated specials.
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Speaker 2: It is an incredibly dense, layered amount of material. It
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really is but our mission here isn't to just rattle
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off a list of decades old conspiracy theories.
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Speaker 1: Right, We're not just doing a rundown of rumors exactly.
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Speaker 2: The goal is to sift through the official narratives, expose
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the glaring forensic inconsistencies, and dissect why this specific tragedy
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remains unsolved in the eyes of so many.
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Speaker 1: We really need to understand not just what was found
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in that Brentwood hacienda, but what was conspicuously missing.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the missing elements are huge here.
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Speaker 1: Because the sheer contrast to this scene is what makes
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it so enduring. You have Marilyn Monroe, right, she is
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living this seemingly glamorous, untouchable life.
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Speaker 2: She is universally desired, She's wielding immense cultural.
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Speaker 1: Power exactly, and yet she is found dead at the
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age of thirty six, naked alone behind a locked door
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in a remarkably modest house.
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Speaker 2: It's a paradox, it really is.
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Speaker 1: It's a paradox the private investigators in modern science haven't
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been able to definitively put to rest.
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Speaker 2: What's fascinating here is the core tension driving the official
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ruling the Los Angeles County coroner's office formally ruled her
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death a probable suicide caused by acute arbitrate poisoning.
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Speaker 1: Right, probable suicide.
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Speaker 2: And if you look purely at her psychological history, the
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documented depression, the previous overdoses the immense pressure she was under,
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that ruling fits perfectly.
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Speaker 1: It does on paper, It makes tragic logical sense exactly.
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Speaker 2: But when you pivot and look at the physical evidence
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at the scene, the actual biological reality of her body
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on that bed, it flatly contradicts that neat conclusion.
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Speaker 1: So we're looking at a perfect storm of reasonable doubt.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, a storm where the psychological profile and the physical
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crime scene are telling two completely different, fundamentally incompatible stories.
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Speaker 1: Well, to even begin to understand how the physical science
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and the psychological profile class so violently on that August night,
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we have to look backward.
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Speaker 2: We have to look at the context, right, We have to.
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Speaker 1: Look at the crushing weight of the life that led
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up to that bedroom. Because the public just saw this dazzling,
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brilliant comedic actress.
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Speaker 2: But the sources paint a picture of a woman who
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was carrying an unimaginable burden from the moment she was born.
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Speaker 1: You really cannot understand her death without understanding the profound
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duality of her identity.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Long before the studio system molded her into Marilyn Monroe,
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she was Norma Jean.
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Speaker 1: Mortenson later baptized Baker.
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Speaker 2: I believe right, and she was born in nineteen twenty
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six into a state of terrifying instability. Her mother, Gladys
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Pearl Baker, suffered from severe untreated mental illness. Oh yeah,
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she was eventually diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic and permanently institutionalized.
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Speaker 1: Which basically through Norma Jean entirely to the mercy of
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the system. The sources detail how she was bounced around
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between various foster homes and an orphanage.
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Speaker 2: And the fear of that orphanage system was just intense, so.
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Speaker 1: Deeply traumatic, right, that she orchestrated and escape the only
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way a girl in the early nineteen forties could.
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Speaker 2: She got married at the age of sixteen.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, sixteen. She shows a teenage marriage to a man
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named James Dodity over being a ward of the state.
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Speaker 2: And then she ended up working in a radio playe
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munitions factory during World War Two.
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Speaker 1: Right, inspecting parachutes and spring aircraft parts, which is actually
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where a military photographer first noticed.
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Speaker 2: Her, and that chance encounter sparked probably the most successful
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aggressive reinvention in modern cultural history.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, by nineteen forty six, she had signed her first
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contract with twentieth Century Fox.
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Speaker 2: She dyed her hair that iconic platinum blonde, underwent slight
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cosmetic adjustments, and fully adopted the name Marilyn Monroe.
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Speaker 1: And her rise through the nineteen fifties was just meteoric.
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Speaker 2: We were talking about films that literally define the golden
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age of cinema. Gentlemen prefer Blondes in nineteen fifty three,
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The Seven Year Itch in nineteen fifty five, Some.
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Speaker 1: Like It Hot in nineteen fifty nine. She became the
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ultimate global sex symbol, but.
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Speaker 2: Also a genuinely brilliant, dedicated comedic talent.
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Speaker 1: Yet the hidden reality behind that dazzling smile was a
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nightmare of physical and mental suffering. The sources are absolutely
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brutal about the medical toll this life took on her.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, her physical health was a constant struggle. She suffered
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from severe chronic endometriosis, And.
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Speaker 1: For those who might not know, this is a condition
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where tissue similar to the lining of the uterus grows
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outside the uterus.
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Speaker 2: And in the nineteen fifties, medical treatment for this was
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barbaric compared to today.
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Speaker 1: I can only imagine.
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Speaker 2: It caused her agonizing pelvic pain, necessitated multiple invasive surgeries,
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and led to a series of heartbreaking miscarriages.
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Speaker 1: So, on top of the physical pain, she had crippling insomnia,
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she battled severe depression and an intense paralyzing performance anxiety.
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Speaker 2: And to cope with that relentless onslaught of physical and
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psychological pain, she became entirely reliant on a dizzying cocktail
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of pharmaceuticals heavy stuff. Yeah, we were talking about heavy
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barbiturates like nembutal and amatol to force her body to sleep,
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and then amphetamines to force her body to wake up
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and perform on set.
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Speaker 1: But it is crucial to note the mechanism of this
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addiction because she wasn't buying illicit drugs on the street corner,
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not at all. This was a legal, heavily managed, institutionalized addiction.
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These highly addictive, incredibly dangerous substances were being legally prescribed
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to her by.
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Speaker 2: Her inner circle of physicians and psychiatrists. The medical establishment
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of that era treated women's health, both physical and mental,
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with a heavy blunt hand of sedation. They were basically
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managing the world's biggest studio asset with a constant stream.
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Speaker 1: Of pills, which brings us to the volatile state of
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her life. In nineteen sixty two, the year she died,
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her personal life was.
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Speaker 2: Fracturing, completely falling apart.
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Speaker 1: Her highly publicized, deeply scrutinized marriages to baseball legend Joe
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DiMaggio and brilliant playwright Arthur Miller had both ended in painful,
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messy divorce.
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Speaker 2: And her career, which had really always been her primary
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lifeline and source of identity, was suddenly incredibly fragile.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, she had just been fired from the film Something's.
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Speaker 2: Got to Give because her health issues, chronic lateness, and
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erratic behavior were causing massive financial hemorrhage for the studio.
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Speaker 1: And then, of course, there was the notorious Happy Birthday
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Mister President performance for John F. Kennedy at Madison Square Garden.
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Speaker 2: Oh right, that moment was iconic, but so damaging.
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Speaker 1: She stepped out in that flesh colored, rhinestone encrusted dress
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and delivered a performance so breathless, an intimate that it
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basically poured gasoline on the swirling rumors of a political affair.
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Speaker 2: It really paints a picture of extreme volatility, a woman
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teetering right on the edge totally. However, the sources also
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highlight a crucial counter narrative, which is her agency. She
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was not merely a passive victim of the system.
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Speaker 1: No, she was incredibly intelligent and strategic.
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Speaker 2: Exactly when she realized the studio was underpaying and type
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casting her, she founded her own production company, Marilyn Monroe Productions,
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to fight twentieth Century Fox for better contracts.
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Speaker 1: And she moved to New York and studied intensely with
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Lee Strasberg at the Actor's Studio to hone her dramatic craft.
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She had immense, undeniable drive.
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Speaker 2: But that agency existed in a constant, agonizing tug of
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war with deep victimization and exploitation.
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Speaker 1: Right and not just by the studio executives who viewed
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her as.
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Speaker 2: Property, but by her own medical team, who kept her
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functionally sedated and deeply dependent on their care.
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Speaker 1: You know, I think about her Marilyn Monroe persona less
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like a character she played and more like a suit
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of heavy shining armor.
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Speaker 2: Oh, that's a good way to look at it.
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Speaker 1: She forged it in the nineteen forties to protect the
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terrified little girl, Norma Jean from a world that had
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repeatedly abandoned her. The armour made her invincible to the public,
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It made her untouchable, It.
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Speaker 2: Gave her immense power.
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Speaker 1: But armour is incredibly heavy. The sheer physical and psychological
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weight of carrying that solid steel around every single day,
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never being able to take it off without being scrutinized,
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and it eventually crushed the woman standing inside it.
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Speaker 2: And that framework is absolutely vital for understanding the initial
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police investigation.
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Speaker 1: Why is that.
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Speaker 2: Because this well documented history of severe depression, her previous
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suicide attempts, the unpredictable mood swings, and the heavy continuous
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drug use, It creates a massive foundational bias for the authorities.
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I see when law enforcement and the coroner arrived at
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that house, her psychological history made it incredibly easy to
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rubber stamp her death as a suicide. It fit the
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narrative they already believed about her.
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Speaker 1: But conversely, that exact same vulnerability highlights how easily she
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could have been exploited, manipulated, or medically mismanaged.
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Speaker 2: Exactly by the entourage of doctors and handlers who had unrestricted,
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total access to her life and her body.
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Speaker 1: I mean, if you are basically a walking pharmacy, entirely
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dependent on your doctor's to sleep, to wake up, to
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simply function, you are in a position of ultimate vulnerability.
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Speaker 2: You have handed over the keys to your consciousness.
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Speaker 1: And that exact tension this woman, desperately trying to rebuild
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her shattered career while being heavily medicated by a team
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of handlers, leads us directly to the timeline of August fourth,
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nineteen sixty two, her final day, her final day. And
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this is where the neat tragic narrative of a suicidal
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movie star stops making any logical sense.
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Speaker 2: Let's set the physical scene. She is at her home,
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a modest Spanish style hacienda at one twenty three h
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five fifth Helena Drive in Brentwood, Los Angeles.
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Speaker 1: And this is not a sprawling, gated mega mansion with
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security guards.
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Speaker 2: Right now, not at all. It's relatively intimate, secluded at
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the end of a cul de sac. And there are
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four key figures buzzing around her orbit that day.
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Speaker 1: Okay, who are they?
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Speaker 2: First? You have her housekeeper, Eunice Murray. Interestingly, Murray was
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not hired through a standard agency. Oh really, she was
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actually placed in Monroe's home upon the recommendation of Maryland's psychiatrist.
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Speaker 1: Well that's a BYF strange, right.
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Speaker 2: You also have her publicist, Patricia Nucom, who had stayed
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over the night before. You have that psychiatrist, doctor Ralph Greenson,
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who wielded immense, almost dictatorial control over her.
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Speaker 1: Daily life, and the fourth person.
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Speaker 2: And you have her physician, doctor Hyman Engelberg, who is
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the one physically writing the prescriptions for her medications.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so the daytime hours seem busy but relatively normal
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for a working actress. She gets a massage, She has
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meetings with a photographer, Laurence Shiller.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, discussing some upcoming highly anticipated nude photos for Playboy.
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Speaker 1: Which, by the way, points to a woman planning her
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future career moves, not someone tying up loose ends exactly.
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She has a tense argument with her publicist Nukeomb, and
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then around four thirty pm, doctor Greenson arrives for a
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private therapy session and Nukeomb is asked to leave.
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Speaker 2: And the evening is really where the psychological whiplash begins.
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At around seven pm, she has a phone call with
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Joe Demaggio Junior, her former stepson.
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Speaker 1: What was that call about?
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Speaker 2: He is calling to tell her that he has broken
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off his engagement to a woman Marylyn didn't particularly like.
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And by all accounts from Demaggio Junior, Monroe is cheerful, upbeat,
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and genuinely happy for him.
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Speaker 1: So it is a completely normal, forward looking, lucid conversation.
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Speaker 2: Yes, But just one hour later, at eight pm, the
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phone rings again. This time it's Peter Lawford.
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Speaker 1: Now Lawford is an actor, part of the rat.
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Speaker 2: Pack, but more importantly, he is married to Patricia Kennedy.
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He is John F. Kennedy's brother in law, deeply embedded
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in the political elite.
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Speaker 1: And why is he calling her?
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Speaker 2: Lawford calls to invite Marylyn to a dinner party, and
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according to his later testimony, her voice is heavily slurred.
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She sounds completely out of it, heavily sedated.
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Speaker 1: That's a huge shift from an hour ago.
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Speaker 2: And she ominously says to him, say goodbye to pat
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say goodbye to the President, and say goodbye to yourself,
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because you're a nice guy.
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Speaker 1: Wow, that is chilling.
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Speaker 2: Put yourself in Peter Lawford's shoes for a moment. You
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know this woman's history. You hear slurred speech and a clear,
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fatalistic goodbye.
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Speaker 1: You must have panicked.
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Speaker 2: Lawford is so disturbed by this that he starts making
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frantic trying to get someone to go to the house
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and check on her.
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Speaker 1: Though notably, despite his panic, he does not go over
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to Brentwood himself.
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Speaker 2: Right and from that eight pm phone call onward, the
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timeline enters a chronological black.
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Speaker 1: Hole, a complete and total blackout. The next concrete thing
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we have on the record is the intensely murky discovery
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of her body.
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Speaker 2: Let's walk through the housekeeper Eunice Murray's official timeline got here.
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Murray claims she woke up at three point thirty in
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the morning. She notices a light shining under Marylyn's bedroom door.
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She goes to check, tries the knob and finds it
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locked from the inside, and then what she claims, she
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gets worried, goes outside into the yard, looks through the
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bedroom window and sees Marilyn lying face down on the bed, nude,
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with a telephone receiver clutched in her hand, completely unmoving.
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Speaker 1: According to this narrative, Murray panics and immediately calls doctor
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greens Right.
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Speaker 2: And Greenson rushes over, uses a fireplace poker to smash
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the bedroom window and climbs inside. He finds her unresponsive,
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and then the other doctor is called, doctor Engelberg. The
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physician is also called and arrives shortly after he officially
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confirms she is dead.
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Speaker 1: This is where the alarm bell should be absolutely deafening
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for anyone listening. Oh absolutely, you have three people standing
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over the dead body of the most famous woman on earth,
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and the police are not notified until four two five am.
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Speaker 2: That is nearly a full hour after she was supposedly discovered.
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Speaker 1: What on earth were a housekeeper, a psychiatrist, and a
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doctor doing in that house for an hour before calling
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the authorities.
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Speaker 2: That delay is one of the most critical red flags
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in forensic psychology. A delayed call to law enforcement in
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the event of an unexpected death is a textbook indicator
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of scene manipulation.
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Speaker 1: But the behavior upon the police's arrival is even stranger.
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Speaker 2: It really is.
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Speaker 1: When the first LAPD officers, specifically Sergeant Jack Clemens, finally
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arrive at the hacienda, they walk in and find the
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housekeeper Eunice Murray actively running the washing machine.
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Speaker 2: Think about how insane that is. The please walk into
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a death scene expecting frantic grief. Instead they find a
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woman doing laundry.
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Speaker 1: It doesn't just scream cleaning up a mess. It is
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the active destruction of potential physical evidence.
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Speaker 2: Doing laundry at a fresh death scene before the coroner
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arrives is completely incomprehensible behavior for an innocent bystander.
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Speaker 1: It's highly anomalous.
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Speaker 2: And when we look at the corner's report later, the
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assessment of her rigor mortis, the chemical stiffening of the
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muscles after death suggested that she had actually died between
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eight thirty and ten thirty PM the previous evening.
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Speaker 1: Which completely shatters Unus Murray's timeline. Right, If rigor Mortis
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proves she died by ten thirty pm, what were Murray,
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Greenson and Engelberg doing between ten thirty pm and four
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two five am. That is roughly six hours of unaccounted
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for time.
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Speaker 2: Furthermore, we have to examine the physiological timeline of the drugs.
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We have that seven PM cheerful call with Joe DiMaggio
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Junior contrasted with the slurred, ominous law for call at
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eight pm.
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Speaker 1: How does a massive fatal dose of barbiturates take hold
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that rapidly.
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Speaker 2: Well, Typically, oral ingestion of capsule medication takes time to
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process through the stomach, lining, and digestive system before hitting
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the bloodstream in full force.
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Speaker 1: So to go from completely lucid and happy to slurring
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and fatally sedated in sixty minutes implies a massive sudden
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influx of drugs into her system that defies standard oral
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digestion rates exactly.
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Speaker 2: It makes you question every single word out of the
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housekeeper's mouth.
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Speaker 1: And the source material points out that Unis Murray's story
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did not say consistent over the years.
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Speaker 2: No, it evolved significantly in later interviews, most notably a
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highly scrutinized nineteen eighty five BBC documentary. Her account shifted.
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How so she let slip details that directly contradicted her
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sworn nineteen sixty two police statements implying that doctor Greenson
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was actually at the house much earlier than three thirty am.
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Speaker 1: Wow.
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Speaker 2: Now, as an analyst, I have to acknowledge that human
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memory fractures during trauma. It's common for witnesses and shock
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to get specific mints and its or sequences confused.
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Speaker 1: That makes sense.
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Speaker 2: However, a significantly delayed police call coupled with the active
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cleaning of a scene implies a period where the people
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present needed time to.
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Speaker 1: Confer, to agree on a unified.
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Speaker 2: Narrative yes, or to sanitize the environment before law enforcement
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took control.
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Speaker 1: The behavioral anomalies of the people in that house are
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suspicious enough to warrant a massive homicide investigation, but those
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behavioral red flags are completely eclipsed by the impossible physical
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paradoxes found inside Marylyn de Roe's body during the autopsy.
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Speaker 2: Let's shift our focus entirely to the forensic science. Deputy
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coroner Thomas Nogucci was assigned the autopsy.
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Speaker 1: He became pretty famous later on, didn't.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah? Nogucci would go on to become the most
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famous medical examiner in the world, the coroner to the stars.
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But in nineteen sixty two, he was a meticulous, relatively
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junior deputy.
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Speaker 1: So what did he find.
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Speaker 2: He conducted a thorough external examination and found no signs
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of violence. There were no fresh needle marks to indicate
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she was injected during a struggle, no defensive bruises, no
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signs of external trauma whatsoever.
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Speaker 1: And then the toxicology report comes back. The sources list
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the numbers and they are absolutely staggering.
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Speaker 2: Yes they are.
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Speaker 1: Her blood contained eight milligrams percent of chloral hydrate and
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four point five milligrams percent of pentobarbital, which is the
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generic name for nimbudle. Her liver contained thirteen milligrams percent
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of pindobarbital.
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Speaker 2: Let's break down what those numbers actually mean, because milligrams
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percent is an older medical term.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, please explain that.
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Speaker 2: For us, it means milligrams of the drug per one
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hundred milliliters of blood. A therapeutic, sleep inducing dose of
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pentobarbital might yield a blood concentration of around zero point
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one two point five milligrams percent. Okay, so less than one, right,
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and a lethal dose is generally considered anything above one
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point five. Oh, my goodness, Marilyn Monroe had four point
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five in her blood and a massive thirteen in her liver.
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These aren't just high levels. These are overwhelmingly catastrophically lethal doses.
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Speaker 1: On top of that, you have the chloral hydrate.
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Speaker 2: Yes, chloral hydrate is another powerful sedative. What's vital to understand,
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here is the pharmacology.
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Speaker 1: How do they interact?
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Speaker 2: When you mix chloral hydrate and pentobarbitol. You don't just
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add their effects together, They compound each other. Chloral Hydrate
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specifically inhibits the body's liver enzymes from metabolizing the pentobarbital.
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Speaker 1: That's where body couldn't break it down exactly.
20:18
Speaker 2: It creates a deadly loop where the body simply stops
20:21
breaking down the drugs, leading to rapid respiratory failure.
20:25
Speaker 1: Nogucci also noted an empty bottle of Nimbudle on her nightstand.
20:30
This prescription had been refilled just the day before with
20:32
twenty five capsules, and.
20:34
Speaker 2: When the police found it, it was completely empty.
20:36
Speaker 1: Based on this, the psychiatric consultants from the Los Angeles
20:40
Suicide Prevention Center reviewed her file.
20:43
Speaker 2: They looked at her history of depression, They looked at
20:45
the supposedly locked door, they looked at the empty bottle,
20:48
and they wholeheartedly agreed with the coroner's probable suicide ruling.
20:52
Speaker 1: To them, the case was closed.
20:54
Speaker 2: But when independent investigators and modern forensic pathologists review Nogucci's
20:58
raw data, they point to massive, undeniable physical impossibilities in
21:03
his own report.
21:04
Speaker 1: Here's where it gets really interesting. Let's start with the
21:07
most glaring forensic paradox, the empty stomach.
21:11
Speaker 2: If a human being swallows twenty five capsules of nimbutle
21:14
plus a huge amount of chloral hydrate, their stomach should
21:17
be full of partially digested pills and gastric fluid.
21:21
Speaker 1: Furthermore, nimbutal capsules in nineteen sixty two were encased in
21:25
a very distinct, bright yellow gelatin dye.
21:28
Speaker 2: Yet when Noguchi opened her stomach and examined the mecoastal lining,
21:33
there was no pill residue, there were no gelatin fragments.
21:36
Speaker 1: And there was absolutely no yellow dye in her stomach
21:39
or her upper digestive tract. It was completely pristinely empty.
21:44
Speaker 2: This is the detail that completely breaks the official story.
21:47
Speaker 1: For me. It's like a magic trick. It's like someone
21:49
claiming they just ate an entire three tier chocolate cake,
21:52
but when you look closely, they have absolutely no chocolate on.
21:55
Speaker 2: Their teeth, no crumbs on their plate, no forks in
21:57
the sink.
21:57
Speaker 1: And the kitchen is spotlessly clean. How do you swallow
22:00
twenty five gelatin capsules leaving zero trace of dye in
22:03
your stomach lining.
22:04
Speaker 2: Biologically, it contradicts the claim of massive oral congestion. Even
22:08
if you are an addict with a high tolerance and
22:11
a fast metabolism, the stomach does not empty itself that rapidly.
22:14
Speaker 1: There should be residual chemical evidence in the gastric system.
22:17
Speaker 2: Always, and think about the mechanics of taking those pills.
22:21
That brings us to the second massive red flag, the
22:24
missing water glass.
22:26
Speaker 1: The crime scene photos and police reports described the bedroom
22:29
as extraordinarily tidy. There was no water glass found on
22:33
the nightstand or near her bed.
22:35
Speaker 2: Think about the last time you had a headache and
22:36
tried to take a single dry pill. It's incredibly uncomfortable.
22:40
Speaker 1: Now imagine a woman already heavily sedated and slurring her words,
22:45
trying to swallow dozens of dry capsules without a drop
22:48
of water.
22:49
Speaker 2: The absence of a glass to wash down the fatal
22:51
dose is a glaring anomaly. It heavily implies that the
22:55
room was sanitized.
22:56
Speaker 1: Someone tidied up the scene before the police took those photographs.
23:00
Speaker 2: And that theory of a sanitized, physically altered crime scene
23:04
is heavily supported by the third and perhaps most damning
23:07
red flag.
23:08
Speaker 1: Lividity, formally known as liver mortis. I want to make
23:11
sure we explain the physics of lividity perfectly because it's
23:14
the ultimate light detector for a dead body.
23:16
Speaker 2: Absolutely. Liver mortis is a gravitational phenomenon. When a person dies,
23:20
their heart stops.
23:20
Speaker 1: Pumping, so the blood just settles.
23:22
Speaker 2: Gravity immediately takes over and the heavy red blood cells
23:26
begin to sink and pool in the lowest points of
23:28
the body, settling into the tissues and creating a purplish
23:32
red discoloration.
23:34
Speaker 1: And that takes time to happen.
23:35
Speaker 2: Right after a certain number of hours, usually around six
23:37
to eight hours, this discoloration becomes fixed. If you move
23:41
the body. After the lividity is fixed, the purplish stains
23:44
do not move, They stay exactly where they formed.
23:47
Speaker 1: Nogucci's autopsy report meticulously noted the lividity patterns on Lenroe's body.
23:52
Speaker 2: But independent pathologists who reviewed that exact data argue that
23:57
the pooling of the blood suggested she had died lying
23:59
on her.
24:00
Speaker 1: Or in a completely different position altogether, and.
24:02
Speaker 2: Was rolled over or moved hours after death. The fixed
24:06
lividity simply didn't match the final face down position she
24:10
was found in by the police.
24:12
Speaker 1: Let's use an analogy for you, the listener. Imagine taking
24:15
a bucket and coating the inside with wet purple paint.
24:18
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm visualizing it.
24:19
Speaker 1: If you tilt the bucket to the left and let
24:22
the paint dry, all the paint pools on the left side.
24:25
If I walk into the room later and the bucket
24:28
is tilted to the right, but the dried paint is
24:30
still pooled on the left, I know for an absolute
24:33
fact that someone moved that bucket after the paint dried.
24:36
Speaker 2: That's a perfect analogy.
24:37
Speaker 1: The body is the bucket. She didn't die where they found.
24:40
Speaker 2: Her, and if the body was moved, you naturally want
24:43
to run secondary highly granular toxicological tests on the other
24:48
organs to determine exactly how the drugs entered her system, which.
24:52
Speaker 1: Leads to the final tragic red flag. The organ preservation.
24:56
Speaker 2: Standard procedure, even in nineteen sixty two, especially in a
25:00
high profile case involving chemical poisoning, would involve keeping all
25:03
key organs preserved for secondary testing, the.
25:06
Speaker 1: Kidneys, the intestines, the rest of the liver. Yes.
25:09
Speaker 2: However, in this case, the organs were reportedly destroyed lost
25:12
or not fully preserved by the toxicology lab before secondary
25:15
testing could be done.
25:16
Speaker 1: Decades later, Thomas Nogucci wrote a memoir defending his work.
25:21
He claimed that because she was such a severe chronic addict,
25:24
her liver and stomach absorbed the drugs incredibly rapidly.
25:28
Speaker 2: Which is how he explained why there was no residue.
25:30
Speaker 1: He also pointed to slight hemorrhaging in her stomach lining
25:34
as proof that she swallowed the pills orally completely dismissing
25:38
the fact that the lack of yellow gelatin dye was suspicious.
25:41
Speaker 2: But modern forensic pathologists fiercely debate his defense. Many insist
25:46
that the absolute lack of yellow dye and stomach residue
25:48
points to a different route of administration Entirely.
25:52
Speaker 1: If the drugs weren't taken orally, how do they get
25:55
into her bloodstream in such massive concentrations.
25:58
Speaker 2: While the two main medical alternatives are intravenous injection, Though
26:02
as we noted, Nogucci found no fresh needle marks or
26:05
a barbiturate enema. A barbiturate enema a high dose enema
26:09
would explain the massive concentration of drugs in her liver
26:12
and blood, while completely bypassing the stomach, leaving it pristine
26:16
and empty of yellow dye.
26:17
Speaker 1: It is terrifying to look at the totality of this
26:20
physical evidence. If the lividity patterns show she was moved,
26:23
you have to ask who moved her and why. If
26:26
the room is suspiciously tidy with no water glass, does
26:29
that mean Marilyn bizarrely decided to clean her room while
26:33
dying of a massive overdose, or does it mean someone
26:36
else sanitized the scene before the police arrived.
26:39
Speaker 2: This raises an important question. You also have the tragedy
26:42
of the unpreserved organs. Those lost organs represent lost scientific truth.
26:48
Speaker 1: The combination of nineteen sixties forensic limitations, a massive rush
26:52
to judgment by the authorities based purely on her psychological profile,
26:56
and what appears to be active crime scene tampering result
27:00
in the permanent loss of physical evidence.
27:02
Speaker 2: When the physical science leaves massive unexplainable gaps, human nature
27:06
abhors that vacuum. That's when the search for alternate explanations becomes.
27:10
Speaker 1: When physical evidence goes missing, whether it's the yellow stomach dye,
27:14
the secondary organs, or as simple water glass, investigators have
27:17
to shift their focus.
27:18
Speaker 2: They have to stop looking at what is missing and
27:20
start looking at who had the power, the motive, and
27:23
the access to make things disappear, and in.
27:25
Speaker 1: Nineteen sixty two, all roads led to the most powerful
27:28
family in America.
27:29
Speaker 2: Now, before we explore this section, we need to enforce
27:32
a critical mandatory rule for this deep dive in covering
27:36
the source material regarding the political figures, specifically the Kennedy family.
27:41
We are impartially reporting the claims and theories exactly as
27:44
they are documented in the investigations, books and reports.
27:48
Speaker 1: Right. We are not taking political.
27:50
Speaker 2: Sides, and we are absolutely not endorsing these viewpoints as
27:53
absolute truth. We are merely conveying the theories that form
27:56
a major, unavoidable part of the historical discourse surrounding this case.
28:01
Speaker 1: Exactly. We are just looking at the scaffolding the authors
28:04
and investigators built, and the biggest, most complex piece of
28:07
scaffolding is the Kennedy theory.
28:09
Speaker 2: The rumors are a rampant.
28:10
Speaker 1: Yeah and heavily documented by calmnessts of the era that
28:13
Marilyn Monroe was having affairs with both President John F.
28:16
Kennedy and Attorney General Robert F.
28:18
Speaker 2: Kennedy, and after that highly publicized incredibly intimate performance at
28:22
Madison Square Garden. The sources suggests she was increasingly viewed
28:26
by the political elite not as a charming distraction, but
28:28
as a massive, volatile liability.
28:31
Speaker 1: The theory posits that she wasn't just a scorned lover,
28:34
but a woman who possessed highly dangerous information. This introduces
28:39
the legend of the Red Diary.
28:40
Speaker 2: Ah the Red Diary, popularized by writers like Robert Slatzer
28:45
and later detailed by retired LPD detective Mike Rothmeller.
28:49
Speaker 1: It is alleged that Monroe kept a diary detailing classified
28:52
pillow talk. The claims suggest this diary contained state secrets
28:56
about the Bay of Pigs in Cuba, covert CIA operations,
29:00
the mob, and the deeply compromised private lives of JFK
29:04
and RFK.
29:05
Speaker 2: And, conveniently, according to these theories, this diary vanished from
29:08
her home on the night of her death.
29:09
Speaker 1: The timeline theories here get very dark and very specific.
29:12
The core of the political conspiracy theory is that Robert F.
29:15
Kennedy actually visited her Brentwood home on the afternoon of
29:18
August fourth.
29:19
Speaker 2: The theory claims that a massive argument ensued because she
29:22
was feeling abandoned and was threatened to call a press
29:24
conference to go public with the affairs and the contents
29:27
of the diary.
29:28
Speaker 1: The narrative suggests she was either forcibly sedated to quiet
29:31
her down, which accidentally killed her, or she was intentionally
29:34
murdered by operatives to silence her forever.
29:36
Speaker 2: The body was then staged to look like a suicide,
29:39
and her medical team was intimidated by the sheer weight
29:41
of federal power into going along with the cover up.
29:44
Speaker 1: And this ties directly back to Peter Lawford. The sources
29:47
point out that Lawford, as JFK's brother in law, often
29:51
acted as an intermediary and a fixer for the families,
29:53
and discretions.
29:54
Speaker 2: His strange behavior that night, making that frantic phone call
29:58
at eight pm, hearing her slurn, but then failing to
30:01
actually drive the few miles to the house place heavily
30:04
into the cover up theories.
30:06
Speaker 1: Was he ordered to stay away by federal agents? Was
30:08
he managing a clean up operation.
30:10
Speaker 2: From a farm, And it wasn't just the Kennedys caught
30:12
in this web. You have the claims of illegal.
30:14
Speaker 1: Wire taps right. A man named Bernard Spindle, a notorious
30:18
freelance wire taber with links to the infamous Union boss
30:21
Jimmy Hoffa allegedly had Monroe's house completely bugged.
30:26
Speaker 2: The theory is that Hoffa was trying to get audio
30:28
dirt on the Kennedys to use as blackmail leverage. Because
30:31
Attorney General RFK was relentlessly prosecuting the Mob at the time, you.
30:35
Speaker 1: Have connections to mafia boss Sam Giancana and Frank Sinatra.
30:39
It paints a picture of Marilyn Monroe not as a
30:42
movie star, but as a pawn trapped on a deadly
30:45
chess board played by the CIA, the Mafia, and the
30:47
White House.
30:48
Speaker 2: However, we must rigorously examine the counterpoints presented in our sources,
30:52
specifically the official government reviews. In nineteen eighty two, the
30:57
Los Angeles District Attorney's Office conducted a massive threshold investigation.
31:01
Speaker 1: What was the goal of that.
31:02
Speaker 2: Their specific mandate was to review all of these conspiracy claims,
31:06
interviews surviving witnesses, and determine if a new criminal investigation
31:10
was warranted.
31:11
Speaker 1: And what did they find.
31:12
Speaker 2: Their conclusion was definitive. They found no credible physical evidence
31:16
of murder. Furthermore, they painstakingly dismantled the RFK visit theory.
31:21
Speaker 1: How did they do that?
31:22
Speaker 2: They noted that Robert F. Kennedy had a rigorously documented alibi.
31:26
Flight records, phone logs, and multiple independent witnesses placed him
31:30
at a ranch in northern California near San Francisco for
31:33
the entirety of the weekend of her death.
31:35
Speaker 1: So making a secret trip to Brentwood, having an argument,
31:38
and flying back undetected was deemed logistically impossible. Precisely, I
31:44
have to push back on the entire logic of the
31:46
political assassination theory. Anyway, Let's really think about the mechanics
31:50
of this ok lay it out. If the most powerful
31:52
politicians in the country, backed by the infinite resources of
31:56
the CIA or the ruthlessness of the MOB, orchestrated a
31:59
hit on a global icon, wouldn't they have staged a
32:03
much cleaner scene, you would think. So, these are professional operatives.
32:07
Leaving her naked with a phone clutched in her hand,
32:10
forcing her own doctor to break a window to get in,
32:13
and having the housekeeper doing a load of laundry at
32:15
four am. That doesn't feel like an elite shadowy cover
32:19
up by government assassins.
32:20
Speaker 2: It feels incredibly sloppy.
32:22
Speaker 1: Exactly, it feels frantic and improvised.
32:25
Speaker 2: If we connect this to the bigger picture, you have
32:27
to look at the nineteen sixties context. The decade was
32:30
defined by profound Cold War paranoia.
32:33
Speaker 1: The Cuban missile crisis, the looming thread of nuclear war.
32:37
Speaker 2: Actual CIA assassination plots, illegal wiretaps, and deeply entrenched mob ties.
32:42
This created a fertile cultural ground where truth and rumor
32:45
became completely indistinguishable.
32:47
Speaker 1: So the missing Red Diary and the supposedly confiscated Spindle
32:51
wire taps represent the black holes.
32:54
Speaker 2: Of evidence, and conspiracy theories thrive in black holes because
32:58
you cannot scientifically prove that a diary didn't exist, The
33:02
sheer lack of evidence magically becomes proof of a massive
33:05
cover up.
33:05
Speaker 1: We want to believe these grand theories because of society's
33:08
inherent distrust of elite power structures operating above the law.
33:13
Speaker 2: It gives a chaotic, senseless tragedy a sense of order,
33:16
even if that order is malevolent.
33:18
Speaker 1: But what if the sloppy nature of the crime scene
33:20
wasn't the result of a botched political assassination. What if
33:24
the sloppiness was actually the hallmark of panicked professionals trying
33:28
to cover up a catastrophic mistake that.
33:30
Speaker 2: Leads us away from the shadowy halls of Washington, d C.
33:33
And right back into the hands of the people who
33:34
are actually standing in that house.
33:36
Speaker 1: This brings us to the final and forensically speaking, most
33:40
compelling explanation that bridges the gap between suicide and murder,
33:45
the medical malpractice theory illuminated by modern AI recreations.
33:49
Speaker 2: The sources make it undeniably clear doctor Greenson and doctor
33:53
Engelberg were heavily recklessly over prescribing medications to Marylyn.
33:58
Speaker 1: They were essentially micromanaging her entire existence through a chemical drip.
34:03
Speaker 2: The specific hypothesis here is that she was given an
34:05
accidental fatal dose by her own medical team on the
34:08
evening of August fourth, and this circles back to the
34:12
enema theory we discussed during the autopsy analysis.
34:15
Speaker 1: Let's break down exactly why that hypothesis exists and how
34:18
it fits the physical evidence.
34:20
Speaker 2: We know she had a massive concentration of barbiturates in
34:23
her liver, but a completely empty stomach with no yellow gelatin.
34:27
Speaker 1: Dye right, and a barbiturate enema was an actual albeit
34:31
uncommon medical treatment at the time.
34:33
Speaker 2: Used to induce rapid knockout sleep for severe insomniacs or
34:37
patients in a manic state. The lower intestine absorbed drugs
34:40
directly into the bloodstream and liver incredibly fast bypassing the
34:44
stomach entirely.
34:45
Speaker 1: So if her doctors, perhaps frustrated with her inability to
34:48
sleep or trying to calm her down after an emotional episode,
34:52
administered a high dose barbiturate enema, they might have vastly
34:55
miscalculated the ghosts.
34:57
Speaker 2: Or, more likely, they failed to realize how how many
35:00
oral chloral hydrate pills she had already taken earlier in
35:03
the day. The compounding synergistic effect of the drugs would
35:08
have suppressed her respiratory system, killing her accidentally.
35:11
Speaker 1: And if you look at the staging of the scene
35:13
through the lens of medical malpractice, suddenly all the weird, sloppy,
35:18
incomprehensible puzzle pieces snap perfectly into place.
35:22
Speaker 2: Everything aligns.
35:23
Speaker 1: Why the massive delay before the four to two five
35:25
am police call, Because the doctors realized they just accidentally
35:29
killed the biggest movie star in the world.
35:32
Speaker 2: They spend hours panicking, attempting frantic resuscitation efforts and then
35:36
trying to figure out how to arrange the scene to
35:38
save their medical licenses and avoid going to prison for manslaughter.
35:41
Speaker 1: Precisely, look at the broken window. Why use a fireplace
35:44
poker to break a window to get into the bedroom?
35:47
Speaker 2: Eunice Murray was the live in housekeeper. She had the
35:49
keys to the interior doors. Why break a window if
35:52
you can just unlock the door.
35:54
Speaker 1: The malpractice theory suggests the window was broken intentionally to
35:57
artificially create a lock roomy narrative, making it look undeniably
36:03
like Marylyn locked herself away and committed suicide.
36:05
Speaker 2: And it finally explains the most baffling detail of all,
36:08
Unice Murray doing laundry at four in the morning.
36:11
Speaker 1: Yes, if Marilyn was given an enema and her bodily
36:15
functions released upon the moment of death, the bed sheets
36:18
would be heavily soiled.
36:19
Speaker 2: The midnight laundry wasn't just nervous energy from a grieving housekeeper.
36:23
It was the active destruction of soiled sheets that would
36:25
have physically indisputably proven the medical malpractice theory.
36:29
Speaker 1: We could even look at how this theory is supported
36:31
by cutting edge twenty first century technology the sources highlight
36:35
recent twenty twenty six AI.
36:37
Speaker 2: Recreations, specifically the investigative models featured in the FOCK and
36:41
TMZ specials.
36:42
Speaker 1: What exactly is this AI technology doing in this context?
36:45
Speaker 2: It takes all the nineteen sixty two blueprints of the
36:48
twelve three oh five fifth Helena Drive house, the exact
36:51
furniture placement from the original police photographs, and the specific
36:55
granular data regarding the lividity patterns on Monroe's body, and
36:59
it builds a redimensional physics engine of the event.
37:02
Speaker 1: And what does that physics engine do?
37:04
Speaker 2: The AI uses photogrammetry to measure the exact depth of
37:07
the mattress sagging under her specific body weight. It calculates
37:11
the fixed gravity vectors of the liver mortise.
37:13
Speaker 1: Wow, so it maps the geometric angle required to produce
37:16
that exact blood pooling exactly.
37:18
Speaker 2: And then it maps Eunice Murray's claimed line of sight
37:21
from the outside window. It tests the physical movement of
37:24
human bodies through the layout of the house.
37:26
Speaker 1: And what do the AI simulations reveal?
37:28
Speaker 2: They visually highlighted massive spatial and timeline impossibilities. The AI
37:34
simulations strongly support the forensic conclusion that based on the
37:37
physics of the lividity. She absolutely did not die in
37:40
the position she was found.
37:41
Speaker 1: It bucket analogy to really holds up.
37:43
Speaker 2: Furthermore, the AI demonstrated that from Eunice Murray's vantage point
37:47
outside the window, based on the lighting and the angle
37:50
of the bed, she could not have seen what she
37:52
claimed to see, so she lied. The AI removes human bias, nostalgia,
37:56
and emotion and mathematically exposes the physical impossible and the
38:00
witness testimony. The physical geometry of the house and the
38:04
biological reality of the body simply do not match the
38:07
story the doctors and the housekeeper told the LAPD.
38:10
Speaker 1: So what does this all mean? Are we looking at
38:13
a cold blooded murder? Or are we looking at the
38:15
medical equivalent of a hit and run?
38:17
Speaker 2: It feels like the staged scene theory perfectly bridges the gap.
38:21
It was an accident, a horrific, negligent medical accident, wrapped
38:25
in a frantic, sloppy cover up by terrified professionals.
38:29
Speaker 1: Analytically, the medical malpractice theory elegantly answers almost all of
38:33
the physical red flags.
38:34
Speaker 2: It explains the lack of pill residue and yellow dye.
38:37
It explains the missing water glass. It explains the moved
38:40
body and the lividity patterns, the.
38:42
Speaker 1: Delayed police call, and the bizarre late night laundry.
38:45
Speaker 2: And crucially, it does all of this without requiring a massive,
38:49
shadowy government conspiracy involving the CIA, the mafia, and the
38:54
President of the United States.
38:56
Speaker 1: It relies on a much more common, observable human failing
39:01
professional incompetence fired by sheer panic.
39:04
Speaker 2: A doctor trying to cover up a fatal mistake is
39:07
a far more plausible scenario than a flawlessly executed yet
39:11
bizarrely messy political assassination.
39:14
Speaker 1: But the psychology of the doctors is fascinating. Think about
39:17
doctor Greenson. He wasn't just her therapist. He was managing
39:20
her life. He dictated who she saw, where she went,
39:23
how she lived.
39:24
Speaker 2: To have that absolute level of control and then to
39:26
accidentally kill your star patient, the motive for a cover
39:30
up is immense.
39:30
Speaker 1: They weren't just protecting their medical careers. They were protecting
39:33
themselves from being permanently etched into history as the man
39:36
who killed Maril Monroe.
39:38
Speaker 2: And that brings us to the tragic irony of the
39:40
entire situation. Whether it was a purposeful suicide an accidental
39:43
overdose or gross medical negligence, The root cause was ultimately
39:47
the same.
39:48
Speaker 1: She was a deeply vulnerable woman who was fundamentally failed
39:51
by the systems and the people who were explicitly supposed
39:55
to protect and care for.
39:56
Speaker 2: Her, Which is why as we bring this deep dive
39:58
full circle, have to look at what we've unpacked today.
40:02
We started by acknowledging that the official ruling of probable
40:05
suicide does align with her tragic personal history, her depression,
40:09
and the sheer volume of drugs in her system.
40:12
Speaker 1: But as we've seen, that official narrative fundamentally utterly fails
40:16
to answer the physical mysteries of the crime scene.
40:18
Speaker 2: It cannot explain the empty stomach, the lividity vectors, the
40:21
missing hours, or the inexplicable behavior of the witnesses.
40:25
Speaker 1: The cultural legacy of this case is immense. If you
40:28
go to Westwood Village Memorial Park in Los Angeles today,
40:31
Marilyn Monroe's grave remains a massive, ongoing pilgrimage site, and.
40:35
Speaker 2: People don't just go there because she was a beautiful
40:37
movie star. They go because she became the ultimate symbol
40:41
of the dark side of fame.
40:42
Speaker 1: She is viewed as a feminist icon who was chewed
40:45
up and exploited by a patriarchal studio system and a
40:49
paternalistic medical establishment.
40:51
Speaker 2: And her unresolved death is a lasting, permanent reminder of
40:55
our deep seated distrust in official narratives.
40:58
Speaker 1: And for you listen to this right now. The reason
41:02
this story still captivates us, why we are still talking
41:05
about it over sixty years later, running complex AI physics
41:09
simulations and digging through yellowed corner reports, is that it
41:12
touches on incredibly universal human fears.
41:15
Speaker 2: It's the fear of vulnerability beneath a successful exterior. It's
41:19
the crushing weight of having to hide your true self.
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Speaker 1: And it is the terrifying idea that authority figures. The
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doctors we trust with our bodies, the police we trust
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for justice, the government we trust for truth, might be
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lying to us to protect themselves.
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Speaker 2: It strips away the illusion. We realize we are just
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looking at the scaffolding, and sometimes, upon closer inspection, the
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scaffolding is rotten.
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Speaker 1: The theater is empty, the star is gone, and we
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are just left trying to make sense of the mess
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left on the stage. I want to leave you with
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a final lingering thought, Tom all over something that builds
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on everything we've discussed today.
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Speaker 2: Okay, what is it.
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Speaker 1: Let's say that tomorrow some revolutionary new forensic technology emerges,
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or a heavily redacted CIA file is suddenly classified, and
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it provides a perfectly mundane, indisputable, one hundred percent factual
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explanation for.
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Speaker 2: Her death, an explanation that completely solves the mystery once
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and for all, exactly.
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Speaker 1: The question is would society even accept it? Or have
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we over the last six decades becomes so deeply attached
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to Marilyn Monroe as a tragic, mysterious martyr that we
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actually need the conspiracy more than we need the truth.
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Speaker 2: That may be the only mystery of Marilyn Monroe that
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we can actually solve.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for diving deep with us.