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Michigan Has Its Own Bermuda Triangle · Ridiculous History

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  Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome back to
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  Speaker 1: the show Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always so much
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  Speaker 1: for tuning in. Can we get it? Oh? Can we
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  Speaker 1: get it?
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  Speaker 2: H can we get a Michig goose? Can we get
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  Speaker 2: a Michigan.
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  Speaker 1: Like? Uh, you nailed it. Yeah, that's basically it. So
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  Speaker 1: we are diving in with with great thanks to of course,
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  Speaker 1: our super producer, the Man the Myth, mister Max Williams.
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  Speaker 1: We are diving into a bit of a mystery. You've
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  Speaker 1: heard of the Bermuda Trale, but what about the Michigan Triangle.
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  Speaker 1: My name's Ben Noel Brown.
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  Speaker 2: You're here, Yeah, you know it's funny. I'm actually venturing
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  Speaker 2: to Michigan. I've never been to the state of Michigan before,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm going for funsies with with my my kid
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  Speaker 2: and some friends. Uh, to see the band Mister Bungle
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  Speaker 2: play at a venue called the Filmore in downtown Detroit.
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  Speaker 2: Really excited. That's the cool art stuff in Detroit, and
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  Speaker 2: there's a place that I've never been to and I'm
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  Speaker 2: looking forward to. Also never been to Bermuda and recently
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  Speaker 2: rew I've been on an old school Disney movie Kick,
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  Speaker 2: and in The Sword and the Stone, I love the
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  Speaker 2: part where Merlin gets upset and goes blow me to Bermuda,
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  Speaker 2: presumably acknowledging the triangle effect to some degree, being some
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  Speaker 2: sort of magical portal, I guess. But yeah, who knew
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  Speaker 2: Lake Michigan, You know, one of the great lakes has
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  Speaker 2: a mysterious vortex of some kind.
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  Speaker 1: And I have always, like I imagine many of us non
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  Speaker 1: Michiganders have been throughout time. I got to confess to
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  Speaker 1: our pile, Max, I've always been mystified by how Michigan
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  Speaker 1: ended up the one state.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it's just we gret like that. And the
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  Speaker 3: best thing is Michigan is the only state where you
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  Speaker 3: can use your hand to tell people where you're at,
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  Speaker 3: because everyone in Michigan's like this, see I'm from here here,
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  Speaker 3: I'm from here, from here. And I remember growing up
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  Speaker 3: my family moved here to Atlanta in the nineties. I
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  Speaker 3: was a kid when we moved here, and all my
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  Speaker 3: friends were like, oh man, no, no one Michigan does that. Max,
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  Speaker 3: You're just a weirdo, which they're correct. I am a weirdo.
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  Speaker 3: But I remember one time in college we're like a
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  Speaker 3: bar just like singing to Maya. We're talking to some
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  Speaker 3: people and this girls like, oh, I' from Michigan too,
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  Speaker 3: I'm from this part, and my buddy Michael being like, wait,
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  Speaker 3: people actually do that.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I've always told you that first.
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  Speaker 2: I've heard of everything I know about Michigan. I learned
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  Speaker 2: from the Sufian Stevens album Michigan to the Other States. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: we will, we will, we will, and we will. We're
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  Speaker 2: doing better than him though a little bit. In any case.
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  Speaker 2: I you know, that's where I heard about, like the
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  Speaker 2: upper Peninsula and is it the lower Peninsula?
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  Speaker 3: Yeahwa, which is the main peninsula.
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  Speaker 2: I think to your point, Ben, that's why it feels
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  Speaker 2: weird right where it does almost feel like Canada or something,
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  Speaker 2: and then you know, it just feels a weird divide.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't. It does feel like it's a tale of
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  Speaker 2: two states peninsulas for sure, but you know it's and
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  Speaker 2: there's also kind of distinctive vibes and sort of like
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  Speaker 2: regional things depending on which part of the sita, which
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  Speaker 2: is true of other states. But it feels like a
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  Speaker 2: little more so. But again, haven't been but lest we
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  Speaker 2: bury the lead once again in case anybody isn't familiar.
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  Speaker 2: The Remember You Triangle is a spot famed for being
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  Speaker 2: the site of numerous ship and airplane disappearances. And this
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  Speaker 2: is of course in the Atlantic Ocean.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: The Michigan Triangle, on the other hand, is as we said,
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  Speaker 2: in Lake Michigan, with its southern point at a place
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  Speaker 2: called Benton Harbor.
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  Speaker 1: And from there, if you trace the triangle out, just
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  Speaker 1: like the Bermuda Triangle, you'll see you'll see the area
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  Speaker 1: extends north to Luddington, Michigan, and the other line of
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  Speaker 1: the triangle goes to Mantawac, Wisconsin. That the thing is, Look,
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  Speaker 1: if you've never been to the Great Lakes, I promise
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  Speaker 1: it's not hyperbole. It's there's a reason for the hype.
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  Speaker 1: They are huge, huge freshwater lakes. For the average sized human,
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  Speaker 1: these are oceans.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, so I just like two three weeks ago,
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  Speaker 3: was in Michigan. My cousin DJ is getting married, huge
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  Speaker 3: like here on and it's look, you get out there
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  Speaker 3: in like you know, you look at it, it's it's
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  Speaker 3: just an ocean because you don't see the other shore,
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  Speaker 3: like you know lakes down here in Georgia, which are
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  Speaker 3: all you know, man made they're called you can always
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  Speaker 3: see it like Lake Lanears that the biggest one. You
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  Speaker 3: can see across it easy. But no, these just look
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  Speaker 3: like oceans. They just continue on and on and on.
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  Speaker 2: And they almost have waves. And they are cold as hell.
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  Speaker 3: Oh there's cold as ice. And they're not willing to sacrifice.
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  Speaker 2: I love or anything else, you know, even a couple
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  Speaker 2: of degrees. I was once in Duluth, Minnesota, which is
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  Speaker 2: on the banks of one of the Great Lakes, and
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  Speaker 2: I dipped my foot in there and about pulled out
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  Speaker 2: a hypothermic stump. It was very, very.
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  Speaker 1: Cold, And there's a reason that you shouldn't mess with
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  Speaker 1: these bodies of water. Technically, they are what's called an
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  Speaker 1: inland fresh water sea max if we could get some
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  Speaker 1: spooky music, perfect. So if you look at the Lake
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  Speaker 1: Michigan Triangle, what you see is a dangerous region where
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  Speaker 1: huge ships and even one commercial airline plane have vanished.
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  Speaker 1: There's the shipwreck Alley in Lake Uron, there's the shipwreck
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  Speaker 1: coast of Lake Superior. Those are all pretty intimidating. They're
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  Speaker 1: tall orders, but because of the currents we mentioned earlier,
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  Speaker 1: Lake Michigan is then, as of now, considered the most
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  Speaker 1: dangerous of the Great Lakes.
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  Speaker 2: Dangerous lakes. Usually when I think of danger in lakes,
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  Speaker 2: that involves like drug people getting in like jet ski
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  Speaker 2: accidents or you know, water skiing accidents. They're just boating
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  Speaker 2: while intoxicated, or just not being able to swim. That's
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  Speaker 2: also a problem. But Ben, isn't there a local lake
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  Speaker 2: legend or a local lakes or is it Lake Linear?
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  Speaker 1: It is lake.
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  Speaker 2: The city at the bottom of it was people were
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  Speaker 2: flooded and people were killed.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, Georgia has no natural lakes. Every single one you
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  Speaker 1: see is the result of human intervention. A flood. Flood
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  Speaker 1: did take a town where once Lake Lanier stood and
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  Speaker 1: people die there every year because humans are not made
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  Speaker 1: for water design flaw. You'd be the judge. Let's go
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  Speaker 1: to Charles Berlitz. Charles Berlitz is a guy who's always
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  Speaker 1: been fascinated with things like the Bermuda Triangle, which, to
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  Speaker 1: be very clear, has never been proven to be supernatural.
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  Speaker 1: And when Charles is deep into Bermuda triangle research, he
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  Speaker 1: has a moment an epiphany and he says, hang on,
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  Speaker 1: hang on a tick, what's that like? Michigan, isn't it
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  Speaker 1: it is?
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  Speaker 2: It is like Michigan. Uh. He sees some similarities, let's
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  Speaker 2: just say, in in the in the manner and timing.
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  Speaker 2: Uh and and just a lot of the a lot
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  Speaker 2: of things lining up that feel to him like Jinki's
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  Speaker 2: kind of aha moments right between these two anomalous areas.
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  Speaker 1: And anomalous perfect word for it. And he's not alone.
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  Speaker 1: The author of the book The Great Lakes Triangle one,
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  Speaker 1: Jay Gorley, argued, quote, the Great Lakes account for more
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  Speaker 1: unexplained disappearances per unit area than the Bermuda Triangle. Well,
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  Speaker 1: tough to back, yeah, exactly. I mean there, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you have to look at the reporting, the statistics, you
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  Speaker 1: have to we have to understand that given the decades
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  Speaker 1: or centuries of time in play, the records aren't great. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And it is like an ocean because it runs along
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  Speaker 2: the coast of like the entire state. And then like
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  Speaker 2: there's you know, that's what separates the up and the
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  Speaker 2: in Wisconsin, exactly Wisconsin.
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  Speaker 3: The shipping corners, that's what they use. Took the rivers
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  Speaker 3: from there to go into there, and that's why industrial
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  Speaker 3: cities like Chicago, Detroit all come from right there because
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  Speaker 3: you can ship out to the Atlantic ocean, they.
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  Speaker 1: Have navigable waterways. But now we're getting into the land
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  Speaker 1: of water wise. I make no apology, no.
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  Speaker 2: As you been, I would like to award you a
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  Speaker 2: blue ribbon on that one, my friend.
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  Speaker 1: Oh goodness, thank you blue ribbon for punistry.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, like Nike shoes blue ribbon or actual blue ribbon.
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  Speaker 1: Well, actual blue ribbon. How about how about we go
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  Speaker 1: for a trip up to Lake Michigan to do the
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  Speaker 1: show live and hope we don't disappear. Because what's interesting
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  Speaker 1: about this when our pow research associated Jeff Dove into
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  Speaker 1: god accident. When j was looking into this, Jeff found that,
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  Speaker 1: according to a lot of the local folklore, the majority
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  Speaker 1: of these alleged eerie anomalous situations, they occur within a
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  Speaker 1: discrete span of time from eighteen fifty to nineteen fifty
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  Speaker 1: and after that there aren't as many quote unquote unexplained disappearances.
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  Speaker 1: But the apparently the first disappearance takes place in sixteen
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  Speaker 1: seventy nine, or the first weird thing, we should.
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  Speaker 2: Say, that's right, sixteen seventy nine, back half of the
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  Speaker 2: seventeenth century. We start to see, like you guys were
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  Speaker 2: just talking about the Great Lakes begin to take that
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  Speaker 2: kind of shipping lane role you know earlier in the
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  Speaker 2: early days of this kind of thing. This is more
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  Speaker 2: becoming a route for fur trades. Right in sixteen seventy nine,
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  Speaker 2: a ship called Le Griffin or the Griffin if you
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  Speaker 2: want to be in English about it, went on its
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  Speaker 2: very first voyage. It's made in voyage. I love using
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  Speaker 2: nautical terms. It was originally planned for the route to
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  Speaker 2: be taken through the Great Lakes because it was the
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  Speaker 2: most efficient passage to to the far East. Yeah, a
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  Speaker 2: north a northwest passage, not the Northwest passage, but a
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  Speaker 2: very efficient northwest passage to the far East, in the
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  Speaker 2: hopes of bringing the fur trade to Asia or as
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  Speaker 2: they called it back then, the Orient.
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  Speaker 1: They did did. I'm just it's so there's this strong
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  Speaker 1: economic argument right for enduring traversing these at times dangerous waters.
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  Speaker 1: Sad to say, Le Griffon never made it past Lake Michigan.
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  Speaker 1: At some point it disappeared within the confines of what
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  Speaker 1: proponents call the Lake Michigan Triangle. And so most people
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  Speaker 1: assume that the ship sank below the depths of this
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  Speaker 1: enormous inland sea such that it would be impossible to
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  Speaker 1: recover any remnants of the wreckage, any remnants of the cargo,
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  Speaker 1: any remnants of the crew. And the deadliest sinking in
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  Speaker 1: the entirety of the Great Lakes also occurred in this
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  Speaker 1: triangle in eighteen sixty. The Lady Elgin goes down. You know,
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  Speaker 1: cast your memory back there, as Van Morrison said, brown
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  Speaker 1: eyed girl, it's eighteen sixty. The majority of ships are
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  Speaker 1: still going to be made of wood. The Lady Elgin
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  Speaker 1: is a steamship, but it is a wooden steamship, and
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  Speaker 1: it hits a smaller vessel called the Augusta. The Augusta
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  Speaker 1: is able to limp safely to harbor, but the Lady
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  Speaker 1: Elgin continues taking on water and it sinks. Three hundred
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  Speaker 1: people die.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, gosh, it's stuff. It's the stuff of nautical legend,
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  Speaker 2: you know, or you think of like the ghost ship
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  Speaker 2: that's forever doomed to wander whatever the nautical version of
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  Speaker 2: wander is. Lists Perhaps no listing is. I think when
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  Speaker 2: they tip over, it doesn't matter. Yeah, three hundred dead
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  Speaker 2: in this mysterious region. Same deal. Next, we've got May
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  Speaker 2: twenty first, eighteen ninety one, and I have to just
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  Speaker 2: I guess this is just the writing style of Milwaukee,
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  Speaker 2: which comes from Milwaukee Magazine. And the first thing just
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  Speaker 2: says seven sturdy sailors of strong Wisconsin stock dropped a
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  Speaker 2: shipment of lumber off in Chicago and then board at
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  Speaker 2: their ship. I wish it ended with an oc sounding,
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  Speaker 2: it would make it more like a limerick or something.
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  Speaker 2: But their ship was called the Thomas Hume. Uh, and
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  Speaker 2: they were setting sail for Muskegon. Where's Muskegon? No, Muskogee,
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  Speaker 2: it could be anywhere up there.
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  Speaker 3: Honestly, that's a very Midwestern name.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's sureus. And they got a nice art
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  Speaker 2: museum there Grand Rapids. It's it's I think it's I
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  Speaker 2: think you know what it is. I think it's like
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  Speaker 2: a bedroom community type deal.
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  Speaker 1: And in Muskogan at this point, there is something called
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  Speaker 1: the Hackey Hume lumber Mill. The Thomas Hume is a
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  Speaker 1: sail boat, as we said, it has it's a big,
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  Speaker 1: big operation. It's a schooner. And this is not the
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  Speaker 1: first Michigan rodeo for these guys. They have made this
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  Speaker 1: journey back and forth multiple times on the lumber company's
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  Speaker 1: other ship, that Rouse Simmons. But despite the fact that
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  Speaker 1: this was a routine voyage. They set across Lake Michigan
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  Speaker 1: and they never reach their destination. Crazy thing about wood
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  Speaker 1: in a shipwreck. Wood floats. So it's interesting that when
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  Speaker 1: this thing disappeared in eighteen ninety one, despite the fact
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  Speaker 1: that it was a wooden vessel and it was literally
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  Speaker 1: carried loads of wood, no debris from the schooner was
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  Speaker 1: ever found to.
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  Speaker 2: The no flotsam and or jetsam. That is really suspicious,
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  Speaker 2: and that's when you start that's when the you know,
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  Speaker 2: enough of these types of things get reported that you
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  Speaker 2: start to think there might be something up.
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  Speaker 1: Oh quick, amendment, however, we're giving you the turn by
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  Speaker 1: turn of the story. In two thousand and six, divers
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  Speaker 1: found what they think might be partial remains of the ship.
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  Speaker 1: But who can tell it's wood, you know what I mean,
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  Speaker 1: It's like it's more wood at the bottom of this
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  Speaker 1: inland sea.
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  Speaker 2: It floats, but doesn't wood also so rot when water
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  Speaker 2: logged like that, and so it could you know, be
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  Speaker 2: hard to identify. Prapps m h.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And there's been a lot of research on this
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  Speaker 1: wreckage to confirm whether or not it belongs to the
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  Speaker 1: Thomas Hume but Word on the street, or should we
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  Speaker 1: say word on the shore, seems pretty convinced that this
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  Speaker 1: this shows us the ship somehow wrecked, and this is
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  Speaker 1: where we go to. Let's go back to the Thomas Hume.
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  Speaker 1: Let's talk about the great granddaughter of Thomas Hume, Elizabeth Sherman.
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  Speaker 1: She wrote a book entirely about some of these mishaps.
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  Speaker 2: Well, a very poetic title, I might add, Beyond the
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  Speaker 2: wind Swept Dunes, the Story of Maritime Muskegone Muskegone. I
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  Speaker 2: bet it's Muskeegne like Muskegee Tuskegee. But Muskegone sounds cool.
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  Speaker 2: It sounds more futuristic.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like no Elon Musk is gonna name his kid,
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  Speaker 1: his next kid Muskegon.
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  Speaker 2: Sherman. I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: It doesn't have enough like numbers in it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true, and it needs some more hashtags and
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  Speaker 2: the like alpha numeric figure.
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  Speaker 3: It reminds me of what Frank Zappa named his children,
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  Speaker 3: and one of them changed their name correct.
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  Speaker 2: Well, my favorite was always Moon Unit, who just went
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  Speaker 2: shortened it to Moon. She was a VJ on on MTV.
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  Speaker 2: I think a couple of them were. But duezl still
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  Speaker 2: goes by deusel Almet arguably the most sensible name. But
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  Speaker 2: I'm a big fan of Frank Zappa and his kids.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's pretty cool. I think Ahmatt is at
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  Speaker 2: odds though Deuezel's cool. He actually plays the music of
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  Speaker 2: his dad. But Amitt, I think is the eldest and
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  Speaker 2: is literally trying to sue his brother to keep from
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  Speaker 2: using his own name. He's kind of messed up. You
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  Speaker 2: hate to see that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it happens.
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  Speaker 2: It's like one of the most sensible name is actually
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  Speaker 2: the biggest asshole. But speaking of names, what a what
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  Speaker 2: a generic segue into a story that involves names. Sherman
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  Speaker 2: attempted to explain the last voyage in her book, the
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  Speaker 2: Last Voyage of the Hume.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, in the last Voyage of the Hume,
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  Speaker 1: they had that other boat, the Rouse Simmons, going with them.
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  Speaker 1: The weather turned ugly and the Simmons made their way
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  Speaker 1: back to Chicago. The Hume weathered it on alone and
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  Speaker 1: disappeared again. People still will tell you that this Homus
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  Speaker 1: Hume was discovered at the bottom of the lake in
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  Speaker 1: two thousand and six. And the creepy thing is to
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  Speaker 1: the point about water log and decay in a maritime environment.
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  Speaker 1: The creepy thing is the hume was still apparently in
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  Speaker 1: your perfect condition.
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  Speaker 2: Whoa, perhaps it was surrounded by one of those atlantis
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  Speaker 2: bubbles that we hear so much about.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I hear about them all the time.
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  Speaker 2: Thing moving on to that spooky that one is like that,
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  Speaker 2: that's sort of like the twist at the end of
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  Speaker 2: a little short horror story. And after all that time,
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  Speaker 2: it was a near perfect condition, and then her head.
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  Speaker 1: Fell off and they found the hook on the side
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  Speaker 1: of the door in the morning. There's a weird moment though, right. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: there's something about this tragedy with the Thomas Hume that
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  Speaker 1: inspires people in the shoreline communities to say, hey, maybe
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  Speaker 1: there's something up, Maybe there's something wrong with the water,
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  Speaker 1: and sailors then and now, always being somewhat of a
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  Speaker 1: superstitious lot, start to think it's bad luck, and bystanders
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  Speaker 1: are paying more and more attention to the vessels on
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  Speaker 1: the horizon. Yeah, you're right, Ben, Each one of these
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  Speaker 1: stories has a little of that. I would say the
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  Speaker 1: Hume most so, but each one of these has some
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  Speaker 1: little little off detail that's kind of makes you makes
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  Speaker 1: it easier for the mind to grasp that these are
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  Speaker 1: in some way connected, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Case in point, the Rosa Bell. When the Thomas Hume,
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  Speaker 2: which I believe would we could say was the most
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  Speaker 2: famous thus far of these disappearances, when it disappeared, people
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  Speaker 2: really started to wonder what was going on. Like you said, Ben,
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  Speaker 2: people were really starting to make these connections and think,
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  Speaker 2: is there something amiss here? Is there some you know,
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  Speaker 2: malevolent forest at play? Because by this point, Ben, wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: the idea of the Bermuda Triangle have been kind of known?
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  Speaker 2: Was it that like a like a sailor's tale as well,
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  Speaker 2: or was that a little more modern?
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  Speaker 1: I think I want to say it was a little
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: bit more modern as an urban legend. I think the
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: first story about the Bermuda Triangle comes along in nineteen fifty.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: Okay, wow, So in a weird way, the Michigan Triangle
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: kind of pre dates the Bermuda Triangle in terms of
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: its sort of like regional status or whatever. And again
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: I did not know about the story until Research Associates
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: extraordinary Jeff Bartlett brought it to our attention. Whereas you
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: hear about the Bermuda Triangle all the time, probably more
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: bad low budget movies about the Bermuda Triangle than made
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: than we care to count. But the Rosa Bella. The
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: turn of the century we start to see some other
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: strange events, and the first of which we're going to
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: talk about now involving this ship called the Rosa bell
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: Bella Bell at b E l E in nineteen twenty one.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: We've got eleven folks who are aboard this ship, all
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: members of the Benton Harbor House of David. Is that
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: like a church? What are we talking? What is the
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: Benton Harbor House of David. That's a wild name for
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: an organization.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: It is a commune. Oh, it's a religious group which
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: is still around today. It was founded by Benjamin Pernell
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: Benjamin and Mary Pernell.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: Very Michigan centric. So now we basically kind of have
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: a cult involved. Huh, why not? You know, let's just
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: put in for good measure. So all twelve members of
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: this commune disappeared and their ship was found Wait, let's
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: let's get back into nautical terms. What is foundered mean?
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: Doesn't that mean that the ship has as capsized?
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: No?
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: Cap size is capsized? Foundered is floundered? Foundered? No, it's
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: a nautical term. It means for a ship to fill
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: with water and sink sixth drowned when the yacht foundered
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: off the Florida coast. Sorry, I'm just getting into trying
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: to use as many silly, obscure nomical terms.
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: You said, Florida coast.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: No, No, that was in the definition. Oh, I was
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: just reading the example that the dictionary gave.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: They just can't grasp that something would founder off the
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: coast of Michigan.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: That's weird, right, but it did. But again to your
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: previous point, Max, you really do have to think of
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: these bodies of water more like oceans with their own
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: kind of machinations, right ben Well.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: Flounder also means to struggle or stagger. Cumsley and water
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: and the Rose bel It's interesting the Roosevelt did not sink.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: It was found overturned. It was foundered overturned floating in
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: Lake Michigan, but not the way the shipbuilders designed it
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: to float. The ship was apparently damaged in a collision
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: with something, which ties in, by the way, with cryptid legends,
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: but no other ship reported a collision, No other remains
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: had been found, and a lot of people in the
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: area said that's nuts because the Rose of Bell had
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: been rebuilt after an earlier mishap in the eighteen hundreds,
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: very similar to this one.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: Again Superstit sort of a ship of thesis kind of quandary,
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: not really just just in that it's a ship and
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: there's some rebuilding involved, but I mean it's not offally
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: every piece had not been changed out by this point.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: That's the famous thought experiment. Another fun nautical term that
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: just came to mind is listed. When a ship lists,
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: that means it takes on water and leans over to
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: one side. So that's basically what the what the what
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: the ship was doing here? And to your point, Ben,
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: this is kind of the little spooky story twist, right,
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: the idea that the ship had been rebuilt after a
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: previous wreck that was very similar to that other one.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: That is sort of the little twist that makes this
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: fit kind of you know what I mean, Like there's
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: gotta be some little extra ghostbusters e clue in each
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: of these. There wasn't any evidence as to what may
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: have caused the shipwreck, and it was very mysterious as
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: to what happens to every single soul on board, right,
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: It's almost like they were pressed to digitated, you know,
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: into another realm. But again, this wasn't in the days
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: of like, you know, underwater drones and the ability to
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: do such an exhaustive search. So that also, I think
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: figures somewhat into not being able to find all of
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: the stuff.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and the coastguard said it's a mystery. The eleven
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: crew members, again from the commune, were never found. So
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: what if it's more than just shipwrecks. We'll just fast
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: forward a little bit to a guy named Captain George R.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: Donner in nineteen thirty seven. Is he related to the
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: daughter party? Honestly, I haven't checked as a banging party.
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: I was gonna say he's a related to George R. R. Martin,
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: but uh, you know, I certainly.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: Got one R though. Man, that's an absurd question. Ben's
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: question was at least reasonable. You think everyone with an
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: R for a middle name and George is related? Sorry, Max,
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: I didn't mean to be so harsh on you. I
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: love you. Are you turning away from me? He made
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: the heart figure, he made the heart sign. All is well,
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: he's just giving me the silent treatment. Yeah. Nineteen thirty seven,
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: George R. Donner on the O. M. McFarland sailing through
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: as we mentioned, very very icy, icy conditions in the
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: Great Lakes. You know, even in the best of times,
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: that water's damn cold. But you know, if you're battling
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: icy conditions, this is like Titanic kind of you know situation.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: And he's not the youngest of men. Captain Donner is
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: fifty eight years old. He's already had a heck of
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: a slog. The ship is sailing through the Lake Michigan triangle.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: So he shuts the door to his cabin, you know,
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: maybe takes off his hat and says, I'm gonna crash
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: for a second. But he didn't mean it literally, because
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: a few hours later, the ship is drawing closer and
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: closer to Port Washington. The crew members are knocking on
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: the door. Captain, Captain Captain. No one answers. The door
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: locks from the inside. Eventually they break down the door
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: and they find the cabin is captainless. The entire ship searches,
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: they never find the guy. He is a ghost.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: Holy cow, do you think he wanted to commit himself
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: to old Davy Jones's locker? Like he felt like it
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: has been a good run. You know, my home is
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: the sea.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: Maybe maybe he was like, fifty eight, this is my year.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: I'm going to start a new life.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: This is like Midsommar rules. You know that I'm imposing
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: oh myself in my cult of one, my cult of
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: the mind. Crazy though, that's weird and like to your point, Ben,
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: it's not just about ships anymore. This is the kind
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: of stuff that you see dramatized in some of those
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: bad perm you to triangle type stories, you know, where
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: people just vanish like it's some sort of you know,
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: piercing of the veil between two worlds, you know what
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: I mean.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: That would be some of the more supernatural or paranoris
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: arguments for this. The Lake Michigan Triangle, as we mentioned
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: at the top, has also apparently claimed an aircraft. Northwest
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: Airline flight twenty five oh one disappeared in June of
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: nineteen fifty. Maybe let's dive into the details there.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: That's right, June twenty third, to be precise, nineteen fifty
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: Northwest Airlines Flight twenty five oh one. Guarantee, my brother,
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: this is some lost inspo right here.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: It's flying from New York City to Seattle with fifty
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: eight people on board over the Lake Michigan Triangle. Captain
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: of the ship, Robert Lynde, calls in to ask for
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: permission to you know, make their descent or actually make
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: us Pacific descent twenty five hundred feet because of a
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: bad electrical storm in some high winds. But he's denied.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: WHOA why would he be denied? That seems like a
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: crappy thing to do. He's trying to be safe. Maybybe
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: it was a matter of air traffic and they gave
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: him some other option. But apparently then communications are severed.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, we know being an air traffic controller is
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: an incredibly difficult and stressful job. But it stood out
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: to me as well. Man, the idea that you could
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: just say nah, like, hey, stay the course, you're good.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: Our planes crashy, Nah.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: Just fly right into that sucker. He'll be fine.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: You've got it.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: You've trained, you've trained your whole career for this.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: No.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: But seriously, man, does this not feel like the plot
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: of Lost?
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: It does?
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: Don't find They don't find the plane.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: It's a Michigan or version thereof for sure, and there's
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: a there's this huge search. This is the nineteen fifties, right,
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: So it's not the same. Is when a wooden schooner disappears,
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: they drag Lake Michigan for wreckage, as in physically dragged,
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: not like Twitter drag, and they don't find anything for days.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: Human remains are washing up on the shore, but the
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: plane itself is gone. And this is where we have
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: to ask ourselves. Right, if human remains are washing up,
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: then that does mean the plane crashed, right, because the
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: plane would have to crack open, you know.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, those things are like hermetically sealed. You know,
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: speaking of which, not to derealist too much, but did
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: you hear about that flight from Atlanta to Guy Barcelona
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: kept pooping all the way to pooping? Well, the thing
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: that I didn't realize that I thought was so interesting
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: about that is apparently when someone is having explosive diarrhea
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: in a shared air hermetically sealed environment, it's considered a biohazard.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: It is you're tasting that, That's what smell is.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: I tried to incept Matt Frederick into talking about that
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: on Strange News yesterday. I told I told Ben that
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: before the corner, But I tried to incept Matt, and
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: unfortunately I'm not very good at any take.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: Matt's also like a steel trap man. That guy can't
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: be incepted.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: True, very true. I should have tried it one of y'all.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: But well, it obviously worked on me, it did whatever.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: Whatever.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: Maybe I also like to talk about airplane poop with
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: an article Advice that references it posed the question of
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: what about those people that took a very strong sleeping
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: pill thinking they'd wake up in Barcelona and then woke
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: up bay back in Atlanta and then be having to
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: tiptoe around poop flowing. I don't know. I want to
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: know more details about the center.
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: I was talking to my friend Meredith about that and
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: also going to see the Postal Service concert next month
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: in Seattle, and I sent her a recycled air I'm like,
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: this song means a very different thing right now to me.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: Well, also, I've you know, guys, I've been on a
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: lot of flights in a lot of different situations. The
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: I get get into them, you just do, man. Well,
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: I got yeah, right right. So I I'm pretty close
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: with the Delta community behind the scenes, and this has
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: been the talk of the town, right It's the talk
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: of the talk of the skies. And I would just
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: want to practice an exercise empathy here. No, very few
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: people purposely get explosive diarrhea. Very few people want that
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: to happen. So if you're hearing this, hope your butt's okay. Man,
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: you know you will live to fly another day.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: Oh. One person, God, that person isn't being docked by name.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: Can you imagine if that was in the papers? Oh,
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: your life would be over and.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: He had nothing to do but run for president at
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: that point. Yeah, it's typic canoe and skypoop two. Right,
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: So there's also oh wait, this might be a different
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: story for another day, but Louis Armstrong was a guy
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: who did enjoy explosive diarrhea. He was a laxative salesman. Oh,
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: in addition to being a celebrity. Yeah, okay, anyway, that
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: has nothing to do with Lake Michigan. Hopefully people are
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: pooping in it. They don't.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: Oh, they certainly are.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: I know, I know, hopefully though better angels. As we
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: said the previous show, there is a search every year
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: for flight twenty five oh one. It is funded by
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: Clive Cussler, the famous, the famous thriller novelist, and the
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: Michigan Shipwreck Research associates.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: Clive Custler famously into nautical exploration and stuff too. Remember
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: we spoke to that I always forget her dang name,
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: Rachel Lance. Rachel Lance about underwater explosions and specifically surrounding
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: what was the name of the vessel. The Clive Custler
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: basically also financed them digging up. It was like a
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: Civil War era, like weird sub and like the deaths
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: of those individuals due to like implosion basically, but the
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: Hunley HL only that was what we talked about, and
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: that's yeah, that's very much a Custler thing.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: And then because this is folklore, right, the Lake Michigan
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: Triangle is urban legend. It is folklore. That's why you
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: hear stories that come out after the fact, like history
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: Daily dot org reports to police officers about two hours
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: after the flight disappeared, they report seeing a red light
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: hovering above Lake Michigan for ten minutes. Is that true?
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: There's no way to know.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: No, But it's the kind of things that we see,
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: you know, in the obviously on our other show stuff.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: They don't want you to know. This type of lore
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: always finds a way to incorporate, like extraterrestrials, you know,
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: like it's it's an abduction site. There's some perfect alignment
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: that this is like this, you know, like perfect storm
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: spot for being abducted.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: And there are many, many more examples. But while we
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: are on our paranormal stuff, they don't want you to
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: know vibe. Let's lean into it, as they say in
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: corporate America, let's learn more about the strange lights. Let's
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: learn more about the spooky stuff. Let's take a peek
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: under the kimono. Oh no, no, kimono. It's so bad.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: God, We've been around enough leadership type changes and corporate
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: folk to you know, we could fill a couple of
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: mole scheme notebooks with these douchey corporate sayings. They're all
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: delightfully cringey. But yeah, it's true. Ben, you make a
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: great point in what we discussed earlier absolutely holds true
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: in this situation. There are many other reports like what
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: you heard from those police officers. Reports are strange lights hovering,
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: you know, crafts supernatural goings on. Right, we also heard
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: some folks reporting odd and sudden changes in the weather.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: Max pointed out earlier that Lake Michigan is big enough
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: to have its own kind of micro weather, like you know,
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: waves and stuff like that in storms. But even this,
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: this is outside of the norm. For that, the idea
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: of rogue waves, which are like out of nowhere, very
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: powerful and damaging waves, and then like crazy weather phenomenons
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: or anomalies, really they just kind of pop up out
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: of nowhere.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, people, you can find countless tales of people claiming
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: to see strange lights in the sky at night, claiming
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: maybe their compasses or other electromagnetically sensitive instruments aren't working.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: And of course, just like the Bermuda Triangle, you'll find
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: people who say there is some sort of portal through time,
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: through space, through dimensions. At this point, none of that
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: is proved, but it is true for the average person.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: The weather on the lake is strange in that triangle area. Now,
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: is that because there are Eldrich love Craftian forces at play,
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: or is that because weather is difficult to predict and
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: most people on the surface of the ocean or this
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: case in inland sea don't understand it. Max, I love
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: your head shakes right now. You go on, Yeah, you're
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: going Eldrich monster.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: Yeap, Okay, I want it, I want it. So bad, y'all.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: I want that more than I want extraterrestrials. Give me
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: Cuthulhu all day. Loah, yog shabab, whatever the f What
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: do they say, man if Tak, Yeah, that's the one.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: By the way, I know this was occurring to me
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: in terms of like thinking about the ecosystem that is
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: Lake Michigan, just in particular. It is two hundred and
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: seventy nine feet in depth average, but there are points
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: of it that can go as deep as nine hundred
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: and twenty five feet. That's deep. I mean, it's not
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: like you know, deep sea exploration deep, but for a
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: freaking lake, that's that's intensely deep.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: Agreed. Yeah, especially considering that once again, human beings are
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: not made to be under the water, right.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: So this they kind of go pop. Yeah, they go
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: too deep.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Yeah, they pop and then they flop and
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: they may be jetsam or flotsam as a result. So
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: there's also there's something that I do think has a
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: little bit of sand the idea that there are ancient structures, yes,
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: beneath the water brought up the depths yea, because it's
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: it's completely plausible given the rise and fall of the
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: water level over time. We know that the human world
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: is littered with under sea ruins. It's just do they
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: have some sort of special powers.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: Well, right, things like the Lost City of Atlantis for example.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: That's why I mentioned the Atlantis bubble earlier, because that's
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: when you start getting into that kind of stuff. You know,
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: we were talking about mysterious goings on and then we're
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: starting to talk about ancient structures of a stone enge nature.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: But like you know, under the water. But there have
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: been some unusual structures or I guess rock formations found
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: at the bottom of Lake Michigan, and for a long time,
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: researchers kind of kept them lit on it because they
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: did your point, Ben, They a didn't want a bunch
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: of like Yahoo's diving down in there trying to you know,
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: check them out and ended up getting trapped or killed
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: or whatever. And b didn't want them to disrupt you know,
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: what was ultimately a scene of research, a place where
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: they wanted to be able to keep things intact.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: M absolutely, and we all know how it goes when
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: people are working on science. A publisher report that says,
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: maybe with these a million caveats, this thing might be
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: a possibility you can consider next thing. You know, there's
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: an alarmist, breathless headline all over social media that says,
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  Speaker 1: this guy has a degree, and he says the stone
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  Speaker 1: hinge is made by alien fish and they live in
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  Speaker 1: Lockness and they live in Lake Michigan, and they freaking
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  Speaker 1: hate wooden.
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  Speaker 2: Boats and they get it on like rabbits. Don't know
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  Speaker 2: why I felt it't they need to add that detail.
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  Speaker 2: But this rock formation, though, is described as being a
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  Speaker 2: forty foot ring of ancient stones that's around fifty feet
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  Speaker 2: under the surface of Lake Michigan. And apparently one of
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: the stones has what appears to be a carving of
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  Speaker 2: a mastodon, which is an animal that only existed or
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: that went extinct rather in the Ice Age about ten
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  Speaker 2: thousand years ago.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I mean this is just this was taught
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  Speaker 3: from early on. Is that, like you know, Michigan is
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: a very flat state, Like you know, Georgia is a
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: very hilly mistake right next to Appalachians. Obviously northern parts
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: are in the Appalations. Michigan got flattened out by the
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: glaciers from the from the last Great Ice Age, and
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: the Great Lakes were dug from the right, So this
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: all kind of tracks. Look, you know, stuff dating back
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  Speaker 3: to like the Ice Age now at the bottom of
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  Speaker 3: a lake, because that's all from ice Age time period.
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  Speaker 3: So you know, I believe in it. There's fish that
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  Speaker 3: repopulate like rabbits that hate all of us, that are
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  Speaker 3: aliens down there.
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  Speaker 1: I've been yeah, vioally, yeah, you know, we got there.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: We got there. We also can't wait to go visit
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: that I missed the Great Lakes. We can't wait to
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: go visit ourselves and folks, we see in this exploration
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  Speaker 1: not just a series of tragedies in this one area,
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: but we see a cultural attempt to explain those tragedies
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  Speaker 1: all together in a larger theory. This makes us want
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: to shout out a recent episode we did on stuff
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: they don't want you to know. Read in my mind,
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: how to build an urban legend.
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  Speaker 2: It's a lot easier than you might think, and is
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: absolutely you can either say, aided or exacerbated by the
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: Internet like this our modern times in the game of
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: telephone that is social media communications. And to a previous
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: point we made just about how easy it is to
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  Speaker 2: just have something out there, attach the name of a
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: person of note and then all of a sudden, people
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: are reposting it as fact.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: Keanu Reeves says Lake Michigan is dangerous because of the aliens. Yeah,
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: one thousand people in thirty seconds will go. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I believe him, though he seems right.
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  Speaker 3: He was in the Matrix and then he was John Wick.
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: I mean he's been the two greatest heroes of all time.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: All right, Well, I think the John Wick movies are wonderful.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: I love him, they really are. I love him, I
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: love them. But also I love Pacific Rims, so I
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: might not be the best.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: Joe Pacific rim I like the first one. We've talked
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: about this, I think we're in agreement.
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: He was also the quarterback in The Replacements, which is
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: a very funny movie with Gene Hackman in it.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: He also knows where the Bostard sleeps in Francis Ford, Coplas.
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  Speaker 1: So with that, while we're waiting for Kiatu to confirm
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: his own experiences with Lake Michigan.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh it just last thing. Speaking of made in voyages,
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: have you guys seen anything about or have any interest
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: in the voyage of the Demeter, which is like origin story? Yeah? Yeah,
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: apparently not very good. I do like the idea of it,
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: but apparently it's just like a basically a slasher movie
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: on a boat. Fine with our with our guy the
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: Onion Night from from Game of Throne, So I think
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: we all.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: Have a bit of a soft spot for of course, finally,
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: and we want to learn more of these stories. There
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: is again a lot we didn't get to in this one.
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  Speaker 1: So if you would like to delve into the story
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: the Lake Michigan Triangle, then why not join us for
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: an upcoming clip show. What are we calling it? Guys? Stuff,
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: we lost stuff, we forgot, stuff that got left over,
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: stuff that got left over. In the meantime, we hope
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: you are having a wonderful week a wonderful weeknd. We
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: will be on the way back very soon, as as
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: we gave an earlier shout out. If you live out
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: Las Vegas Way, let us know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's do a meet a meetup? Is that what
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: they call him?
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: Probably?
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: Yes, do one of those we can have. We can
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: have a fear and loathing type experience. We go to
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: circus circus and I'm just kidding. We don't do things
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: like that, but we would love to see you if
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: you're out there there, we'll we'll give you some more
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: details around the actual live events and how you can
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: get into that. But help. Yeah, let us know if
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: you're around.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: I'm excited about seeing the Hoover Dam in person, and
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: let us know if the Hoover Dam's worth the trip.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: He's not kidding. Yeah, he's been talking about it a lot,
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: and I feel the energy and the love.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: It'll be an episode at the very least. Thank you,
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: as always to our super producer, mister Max Williams. Williams Williams,
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: our official michigand er Gander Gander, How we do, Max,
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: How we do on this week?
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  Speaker 3: I'm proud of you.
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  Speaker 1: A resounding, a resounding uproarious cosa from Max Michigan Williams,
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: Max the sturdy sailor of strong.
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: Michigan stock.
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: There we go. Thanks also to Alex Williams to composed
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: our track, Chris vossi Otis East, jeffco Here in Spirit,
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: Jonathan Strickland, the hidden structure at the bottom of our
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: own lake or the mastadon bones out of fool work?
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, whatever the hieroglyph on our mystical rock structure. Now
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: that sounds too positive. We'll work shop this and thanks
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: to you know ah YouTube brother. See you next time, folks.
• 45:50
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