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Horrific child abusers VIDEO TORTURE of tots · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace is coming to Fox Nation. I want justice.
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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace available now only on Fox Nation.
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  Speaker 1: We have another pandemic, another epidemic to deal with right
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  Speaker 1: here in our own back yard. Child abuse, horrific child abuse,
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  Speaker 1: even cases where parents video and photo the abuse of
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  Speaker 1: their child. Won't you help us stop the epidemic of
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  Speaker 1: child abuse in our country today? Stories of children horribly
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  Speaker 1: abused and how justice unfolds. I Nancy Grace. This is
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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Crime Stories with Nancy Child abuse across our country.
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  Speaker 1: Every day I hear about a new and horrific case,
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  Speaker 1: and I wonder will it ever stop? I mean it,
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  Speaker 1: See Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being
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  Speaker 1: with us on Fox Nation in Serious one eleven XM,
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  Speaker 1: the Triumph Channel. You know, all the years I prosecuted
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  Speaker 1: violent crimes, whenever I got a case regarding child abuse,
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  Speaker 1: it was already a felony, and the more I would
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  Speaker 1: investigate it, the more I would discover it had been
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  Speaker 1: going on for years. So how do you stop that?
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  Speaker 1: And how does it go on with no one saying
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  Speaker 1: a word? First, I want to turn to the case
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  Speaker 1: of Gabriel. Take a listen to our friends at CBS
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  Speaker 1: two LA. This is Christie Hardo. In the hours before
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  Speaker 1: his death, Gabriel lay in an emergency root, his skull fractured,
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  Speaker 1: He'd been burned, apparently tied up, he was missing, He
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  Speaker 1: had bab pellets lodged in his lung and scrolled up.
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  Speaker 1: Even the soles of his feet were bruised and swollen.
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  Speaker 1: A physician in the emergency room said, someone has pulled
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  Speaker 1: out this child's teeth and it was not a doctor,
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  Speaker 1: not a dentist. I just thought, over and over again,
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  Speaker 1: how did this happen? Mary was not the social worker
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  Speaker 1: who investigated the reports of abuse, including the complaints from
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  Speaker 1: Gabriel's own school. That social worker was also fired. Mary
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  Speaker 1: got the case after when the family was referred to therapy.
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  Speaker 1: She says she never saw anything troubling, but on one occasion,
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  Speaker 1: Mary spotted a bruise under Gabriel's eye and a BB
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  Speaker 1: pellet in his chest. I asked them about it, and
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  Speaker 1: the explanation from gabriel brother and sister and mom. Her
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  Speaker 1: story was that some little kid in the apartment complex,
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  Speaker 1: his mom got him a baby gun and he was
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  Speaker 1: shooting everything and he turned around a shot Gabriel therapy, therapy,
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  Speaker 1: my rear end when you have this type of physical
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  Speaker 1: abuse going on on a little child and d Facts
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  Speaker 1: Department Family Shoulder Services sends them to therapy. H No,
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  Speaker 1: what a travesty with me an all star panel joining me.
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  Speaker 1: John Cardillo, former ny PD host America talks on Newsmax TV.
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  Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of
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  Speaker 1: Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon with me, special guest
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  Speaker 1: doctor Angela Arnold, psychiatrist, Atlanta, Georgia, and boy do I
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  Speaker 1: need a shrink? And joining us here at Fox Nation
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  Speaker 1: and Serious X one eleven, a long time colleague, and
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  Speaker 1: dare I say, friend Ernie Allen, who ran the National
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  Speaker 1: Center for Missing and Exploited Children, the former president and
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  Speaker 1: CEO for I know it had to be twenty years
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  Speaker 1: now at Alan Global Consulting. Levi page you with me
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  Speaker 1: Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter Levi this is a yes, no,
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  Speaker 1: pretend you on cross exam? Yes? No? Did I hear
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  Speaker 1: this correctly? That they were sent to therapy? Yes? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Angela Arnold, psychiatrist joining me out of the Atlanta jurisdiction,
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Arnold I know that you believe counseling and psychiatry,
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  Speaker 1: psychology therapy can cure a lot of ailments. But I believe,
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  Speaker 1: doctor Angela, that by the time a child is beaten
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  Speaker 1: and has a baby and his scrotum, I think that's
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  Speaker 1: the time somebody needs to go to jail. The time
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  Speaker 1: for talk is over, doctor Angela. My mind is open.
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  Speaker 1: Please dissuade me. Well. I actually agree with you, Nancy.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like perhaps in this case, maybe it was
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  Speaker 1: a form was passing the box. Maybe they just wanted
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  Speaker 1: somebody else to take care of us, and they use
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  Speaker 1: that as a last resort. If they were going to
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  Speaker 1: have some sort of therapy, it needed to happen a
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  Speaker 1: long time ago. And even though I know that family
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  Speaker 1: preservation is a very important thing, they should have taken
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  Speaker 1: the child out of the home. Man, it would be
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  Speaker 1: a cold day in h E double L. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if you know that I gave up cursing when
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  Speaker 1: I had the twins. I would try to preserve this family.
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  Speaker 1: I think two major compositis. This family need to be
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  Speaker 1: not in the jail, but under the jail. I'm talking
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  Speaker 1: about mommy and daddy. To Ernie Allen, joining me former
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  Speaker 1: president and CEO International and National Center for Missing and
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  Speaker 1: Exploited Children. You know, when I dealt with Nickma, I
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  Speaker 1: was usually working on a missing child, Ernie, but it's
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  Speaker 1: also missing and exploited. And when I hear the injuries
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  Speaker 1: to a little Gabriel, I almost forced Jack to stop
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  Speaker 1: running the sound because I sometimes just can't take it. Ernie.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how you deal with it for all
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  Speaker 1: those years and still do. Fancy this remains a huge problem.
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  Speaker 1: Seven point eight million children were reported last year involving
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  Speaker 1: maltreatment cases, six hundred and seventy eight thousand confirmed victims,
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  Speaker 1: of which eighteen hundred of those Ernie, Ernie, Ernie. Wait
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  Speaker 1: a minute, you got me drinking from the fire, Hidjet.
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  Speaker 1: Would you give me those numbers again, because I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to quote you. Go ahead one more time. Place. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: This is this based on HHS child maltreatment numbers four
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  Speaker 1: point three million referrals involving seven point eight million children,
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  Speaker 1: of which six hundred and seventy eight thousand were confirmed
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  Speaker 1: victims with nearly eighteen hundred fatalities. So cases like Gabriels
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  Speaker 1: are just one of thousands in this country. The system
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  Speaker 1: is overwhelmed social workers. Child protective services workers are doing
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  Speaker 1: heroic things, but the caseloads are too large, they're not manageable,
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  Speaker 1: and we're losing this battle. Ernie, I thought you may
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  Speaker 1: have some good news for me, But you know what,
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  Speaker 1: Ernie Allen, I'd rather hear it. I'd rather hear the
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  Speaker 1: truth that here's some airbrush edited version of what the
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  Speaker 1: truth is. We are losing the battle. And I remember
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  Speaker 1: back to doctor Angela Arnold new to us here at
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  Speaker 1: Fox Nation in series X one eleven renowned psychiatrists. Doctor Angela.
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  Speaker 1: I remember one case in particular, so many of them,
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  Speaker 1: but one in particular. I had to leave the courtroom.
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  Speaker 1: And I remember that because that never happened to me
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  Speaker 1: in ten years of putting felonies in front of juris. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I might get sick to my stomach or not be
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  Speaker 1: able to eat during the lunch break, but it was
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  Speaker 1: very rare. One of two occasions in ten years I
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  Speaker 1: had to ask for a recess. I had a little girl.
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  Speaker 1: She was twenty three months old, and she had been
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  Speaker 1: beaten into a vegetative state. She would never come out
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  Speaker 1: of it, Doctor Angela, And just because she was a child,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of the records, and the medical records, especially
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  Speaker 1: because of hippo, were kept secret from me. But we
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  Speaker 1: were going to trial, and of course Grady the hospital
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  Speaker 1: got them over there the morning of trial, when I'd
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  Speaker 1: been trying to get them for a month. But the
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  Speaker 1: morning of trial and I got them, and the defense
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  Speaker 1: decided on a bench trial in front of just the judge.
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  Speaker 1: And I was thumbing through the medical records because I
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  Speaker 1: just managed to get them, and I saw where this
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  Speaker 1: little twenty three month little girl had been raped in
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  Speaker 1: a vegetative state, and I got so overwhelmed I had
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  Speaker 1: to leave the courtroom and get myself together, get back
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  Speaker 1: in there, try the case. You'll be happy to know
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  Speaker 1: its convicted. But that afternoon, doctor Angela, I had to
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  Speaker 1: pull the car off the right I remember it was
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  Speaker 1: raining on the way home, because I just felt I
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  Speaker 1: couldn't take it anymore. And Ernie's right, Doctor Angela Arnold,
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  Speaker 1: we are losing the battle, and I don't understand why.
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  Speaker 1: I believe that's part of the reason that we are
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  Speaker 1: losing the battle, Nancy, is because this problem starts so
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  Speaker 1: much earlier than when we've than when these abused children
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  Speaker 1: are found. It goes back so far in these people's history.
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  Speaker 1: These these people, and I'm not making an excuse for them,
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  Speaker 1: but they've been abused. They live in poverty. Often. The
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  Speaker 1: mother of Gabriel was they found her to be intellectually disadvantaged,
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  Speaker 1: so she was she wasn't the brightest ball on the block. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: how do you? I don't know, doctor Angela. Arnold kind
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  Speaker 1: of sounds like you're making an excuse. Oh my star,
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  Speaker 1: I'm looking at a picture of Gabriel right now, Oh
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  Speaker 1: dear lord, and haven't got rest his little soul crime
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  Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, I want you to take
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  Speaker 1: a listen now to CBS to l A reporter Amy Johnson,
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  Speaker 1: Gabriel had unconditional love for you, and you took advantage
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  Speaker 1: of that, knowing he will never turn you in. But
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  Speaker 1: Gabriel's teacher, Jennifer Garcia did report the abuse to a hotline. However,
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  Speaker 1: social workers left Gabriel in the home where he was
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  Speaker 1: tortured and starved and eventually beaten to death by Againe
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  Speaker 1: and Fernandez. I know I'm not alone in hoping that
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  Speaker 1: they experienced the same abuse in their lifetime, and worse,
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  Speaker 1: they are evil people for what they did. She described
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  Speaker 1: Gabriel is a kind and helpful boy. She no longer
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  Speaker 1: uses his student number. I don't assign number twenty to
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  Speaker 1: another student because I feel it. It's only his number now,
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  Speaker 1: and it's a way for me to honor him in
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  Speaker 1: my classroom five years after the young boy's death. Justice,
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  Speaker 1: I'm just doing my job, that's it. Deputy da John Haitommi,
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  Speaker 1: a father of two young children, was emotional. I think
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  Speaker 1: Gabe was infected everybody, including me. You were hearing La
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  Speaker 1: reporter Amy Johnson, and you were also hearing his teacher.
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  Speaker 1: And I appreciate the sentiment of her retiring his number
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  Speaker 1: because she felt so strong as she wanted to do something.
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  Speaker 1: But isn't it the law? To John Cardillo, a former
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  Speaker 1: NYPD host, America talks on Newsmax TV. John Cardillo, the
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  Speaker 1: law is that teachers must immediately report even if they
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  Speaker 1: suspect child abuse. Correct. I can't quite hear you, but
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  Speaker 1: I thank you, Santaha. Listen now to La reporter at
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  Speaker 1: CBS two. The judge told that couple that he hopes
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  Speaker 1: that they wake up at night and are tortured by
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  Speaker 1: thoughts of what they've done. To this young boy. This
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  Speaker 1: is a case that has really touched so many because
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  Speaker 1: of this sheer brutality of the torture and abuse this
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  Speaker 1: young boy by the two people who should have been
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  Speaker 1: taken care of him. The conduct was horrendous and humane
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  Speaker 1: and nothing short of evil. After calling this the worst
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  Speaker 1: case of abuse he has seen in his twenty years
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  Speaker 1: on the bench, Judge George Lamelli sentenced Isaro Aguire to
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  Speaker 1: death for torturing and murdering eight year old Gabriel Fernandez.
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  Speaker 1: His girlfriend. The boy's mother, Pearl Fernandez, received life in
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  Speaker 1: prison for her role. It is unimaginable the pain that
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  Speaker 1: this child probably endured. Gabriel had a crack skull, broken ribs, burns,
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  Speaker 1: and baby pellets launched in his body. Guys, I cut
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  Speaker 1: it there because I didn't want to hear any more
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  Speaker 1: about it. It's you know, and that's a problem. Ernie
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  Speaker 1: Allen joining me from Alan Global Consulting, former president National
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  Speaker 1: Center Missing Exported Children. You know, when I prosecute cases,
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  Speaker 1: I have to listen and I have to relay every
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  Speaker 1: horrible detail to a jury. And it's easy for us
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  Speaker 1: to just say, hey, Jackie, stop, I don't want to
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  Speaker 1: hear that anymore. But the truth is we cannot turn
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  Speaker 1: away im pretend it's not happening, Ernie, or it will
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  Speaker 1: keep happening. It is happening. It's happening too frequently. It's
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  Speaker 1: happening in many cases with greater and greater severity, and
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  Speaker 1: the system is overwhelmed. That social worker in Gabriel's case
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  Speaker 1: had two hundred and eighty cases. She was trying to manage,
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  Speaker 1: and the pearl the mother was manipulative. She basically had
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  Speaker 1: an explanation for everything. I'm not defending the social workers,
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  Speaker 1: but the system has got to improve, and we've got
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  Speaker 1: some link social services more with law enforcement and healthcare
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  Speaker 1: and therapists and others. There has to be a team
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  Speaker 1: approach to protect these children. Gabriel Fernandez, may he rest
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  Speaker 1: in peace. As you see, the abuse went on well
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  Speaker 1: well over at least two years. For two years. You
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  Speaker 1: want to tell me, Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, that
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  Speaker 1: nobody knew, no family member, no relative, no neighbor, nobody knew,
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  Speaker 1: No teacher noticed, to Bruce nothing. It's an impossibility, Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: no right thinking person could ignore this as child had
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  Speaker 1: what we commonly refer to as raccoon eye, which means
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  Speaker 1: that he had an indwelling fracture in his skull that
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  Speaker 1: more than likely had been there for some time, and
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  Speaker 1: it was further exacerbated by these just powerful strikes that
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  Speaker 1: he had been sustaining. If folks at home will literally
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  Speaker 1: just kind of run their hand above their right ear
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  Speaker 1: to the what's referred to as the parietal area of
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  Speaker 1: their skull, he actually had a depressed skull fracture up
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  Speaker 1: there that they described with crepitous. And what that means
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  Speaker 1: is if you think a peanut brittle that's literally fractured
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  Speaker 1: and covered with skin. That's what his skull felt like, Nancy.
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  Speaker 1: He had signs of torture. He had been restrained by
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  Speaker 1: the ankles. He had bruises all over the extent of
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  Speaker 1: the surface of his body. And one of the ways
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  Speaker 1: that we learned to try to figure out how long
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  Speaker 1: something has been going on is to analyze the bruising.
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  Speaker 1: And the nurses at the hospital were actually talking about
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  Speaker 1: and they were in tears. They were talking about how
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  Speaker 1: they could see bruises that were resolving. That means, you know,
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  Speaker 1: when they turned yellow and green and that sort of thing.
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  Speaker 1: And yet there were fresh bruising, so he was being
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  Speaker 1: hammered upon day after day after day. You know what, Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: there was so much blood evidence at the scene that
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  Speaker 1: the crime scene investigators actually ran out of markers at
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  Speaker 1: the scene in order to annotate the various bloodstains that
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  Speaker 1: were all over that house. That's how bad this was.
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  Speaker 1: You know it hurts me so much is that I
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  Speaker 1: know this wasn't a one time incident, like jo Scott
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  Speaker 1: Morgan is describing for us, that this child's life, his
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  Speaker 1: everyday life. He woke up in fear, He was in
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  Speaker 1: fear all day. He was in fear when he had
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  Speaker 1: come home from school because he knew he was going
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  Speaker 1: to be tortured and beaten. And when I look at
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  Speaker 1: his face, I see my son's face, I see my
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  Speaker 1: daughter's face. We are talking about the epidemic in our
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  Speaker 1: country of child abuse, and now I want you to
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  Speaker 1: go to another child and listen to our friends at
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  Speaker 1: ku are L eight. This is Rachel Louie's just torture,
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  Speaker 1: a word used more than once by Gallatin County Associate
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  Speaker 1: Attorney Beyorn Boyer Am. The systematic torture in beatings are
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  Speaker 1: perpetrated on the victim in this case that led to
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  Speaker 1: his death. The preliminary report was blunt forced trauma to
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  Speaker 1: the back of James Head. Court documents reveal a horrific timeline.
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  Speaker 1: Detectives found Hurley to be covered with injuries, having lived
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  Speaker 1: with bats and sassa for about two years. After Hurley's
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  Speaker 1: father passed away in twenty eighteen, his mother tried to call,
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  Speaker 1: with documents showing bats blocked her from reaching him. Bat's
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  Speaker 1: friend says there was a breaking point. I knew something
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  Speaker 1: went wrong, and I encouraged her repeatedly to get him
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  Speaker 1: some help and have him put somewhere, and she just
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  Speaker 1: really expressed the cheap just did not. Investigators found places
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  Speaker 1: in the home where large amounts of blood were cleaned
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  Speaker 1: with vinegar. Then they found videos. She's on a lot
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  Speaker 1: of the videos that show the torture to the show boy.
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  Speaker 1: She's in the videos scene straggling. What kind of person
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  Speaker 1: only abuses a child but takes a video of it?
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  Speaker 1: That was actually our friends at KBZK. Cody Boyer speaking
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  Speaker 1: and the Gallatin County Assistant Attorney called the abuse systematic
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  Speaker 1: torture that was beyond Boyer speaking with the DA's office
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  Speaker 1: systematic torture. I'm going to go back to a special
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  Speaker 1: guest joining us today in addition to Ernie Allen, former
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  Speaker 1: president CEO of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children,
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  Speaker 1: to psychiatrists in the Atlanta jurisdiction, Doctor Angela Arnold. Doctor Arnold,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I take videos of Okay, the day I
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  Speaker 1: had forced the children to catillium and it was the
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  Speaker 1: big ball I guess you might want to call. It
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  Speaker 1: was at the school and it was lady's choice. The
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  Speaker 1: girls picked who they wanted to dance, and of course
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  Speaker 1: Lucy made a beeline for her own brother, and I had,
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  Speaker 1: you know, sneakily volunteered to be a chaperone so I
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  Speaker 1: could see the whole thing because appearance weren't allowed intil
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  Speaker 1: the last fifteen minutes. And I saw her do that,
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  Speaker 1: and I ran over there, of course, embarrassing them both,
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  Speaker 1: busting up in there, and took a video of them
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  Speaker 1: dancing the swing. That was the highlight of my weekend,
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  Speaker 1: you know, getting a video of them all dressed up
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  Speaker 1: doing the swing. These people took a video of abuse.
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  Speaker 1: Now I'm trying to get my mind around that if
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  Speaker 1: the mom was doing it for probitive purposes. She never
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  Speaker 1: did anything with the video. Other people were begging her
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  Speaker 1: to go to law enforcement. What psyche is it that
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  Speaker 1: videos abuse? Doctor Angela, Well, I'm done. You have to
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  Speaker 1: also what did they do with the video after that?
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  Speaker 1: Did they rewatch it? Because this is one of the
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  Speaker 1: most horristic things I've ever heard. I can't even imagine
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  Speaker 1: doing this to a child, much less, like you said,
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  Speaker 1: taking a video of it. I want to give you
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  Speaker 1: the child abuse hotline eight hundred four two two four
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  Speaker 1: four or five three repeat eight hundred four two two
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  Speaker 1: four four five three. Don't do what these people did,
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  Speaker 1: and say to the mom, you should really report this BS.
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  Speaker 1: You report it, you know jos got The other night,
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  Speaker 1: we took the twins out from Mexican and we were
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  Speaker 1: sitting there and I heard a mom yell and I
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  Speaker 1: turned around to look, and she was yelling at She
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  Speaker 1: had three boys and one could not have been over two,
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  Speaker 1: and was sitting right by the table and the floor
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  Speaker 1: playing It was doing nothing wrong. It was outdoor seating,
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  Speaker 1: very laid back, and I gave her, of course the
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  Speaker 1: evil eye as she looked at me, and then she
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  Speaker 1: looked down really quickly. Well, a few minutes later, I
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  Speaker 1: heard the dad yell I mean in a mean way,
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  Speaker 1: and I turned around. I thought he was going to
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  Speaker 1: hit the child. And I was so proud of my husband,
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  Speaker 1: that big look. He actually said something right there from
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  Speaker 1: his seat. He actually yelled it over at the family
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  Speaker 1: about yelling at their children. And you know, later Lucy said, Mom,
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  Speaker 1: did you hear Dad yell out in the restaurant? I said, yes,
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: I did, and I'm so proud of him. And by
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: the way, I got their tag number and I plan
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: on doing my own little investigation of them. But Joe Scott,
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: people see abuse all the time, and they do. Yeah,
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: they absolutely don't, Nancy. They're they're afraid to engage with folks,
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: even you know, even at the cost of a child's
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: well welfare and well being. And they refuse to interject
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: themselves into this. And this has been an ongoing problem
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: in our society for years now. It's just, you know,
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: we can go all the way back to the sixties.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: You know, that that infamous night, you know, when all
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: of the people in New York, you know, kind of
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: gathered around that one neighborhood and watched that woman being beaten,
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: and that was the first time in history, you know
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: where we heard that, And it's just this ongoing thing
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: where people will not interject themselves into a conversation or
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: into a problem. I gotta tell you, if David h
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: shouted at me, he'd have my attention. You're right, he
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: is a big lug. But it's a dangerous situation that
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: we're in, and particularly you know when we think about
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: defacts and them not fully being engaged in the lives
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: of these children. There they're the stop gap there, that
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: firewall that are supposed to protect and the system is
• 23:07
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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Great everybody, thank you for being
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: with us here at Fox Nation and series See eleven.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: The epidemic of child abuse goes on in our country.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: We can put a man on the moon. We can
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: have robotics going up and down the aisles at Amazon warehouses,
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: we can have robots that take care of you when
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: you're sick, but we can't stop child abuse. I am
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: now talking about a little boy named James Hurley. Listen
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: to our frenzy ku R L eight Rachel Louise just
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: Our court documents say that Hurley's grandparents and his fourteen
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: year old uncle regularly abused the boy, forcing him to
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: stand and sit and strenuous positions for long periods of time,
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: with uncle even making a wooden paddle to hit him
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: an Investigators say many of these incidents were recorded on
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: cell phone video and shared in text messages. Bats The
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: boy's grandmother told investigators the fourteen year old uncle and
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: the boy got into a quote blood bath fight in
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: late January. On the morning fa very third, she says
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: she found the boy dead. Experts concluded Hurley died as
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: a result of blunt force trauma to the head. Galton
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: County Sheriff Brian Gootkin said, in his twenty seven years
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: in law enforcement, he's ever seen a case like this.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: It's personal, it's personal to all of us. I mean,
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: it's it's the worst, worst type of case that you
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: can deal with. And I guess the you know, you
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: just try and find some justice for Alex. That's exactly
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: what our job is. You're hearing Schriff Brian Getkin speaking
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: straight out to Crime online dot Com investigative reporter Levi Page.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: LEVI tell me about this little boy, James Hurley. So, Nancy,
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: he's twelve years old, and he was found dead at
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: his grandparents' home where he was living, and he was
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: beaten to death, and detectives were suspicious. They noted that
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: he had wounds and contusions all over his body, and
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: then they got search warrants for the video of cell
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: phones belonging to his grandparents and his own grandmother, forty
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: eight year old Patricia Batts, had a video, multiple videos
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: where this twelve year old little boy was being beaten
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: repeatedly in the home. And this is what's disturbing Nancy.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: Investigators say that the family beat him with makeship objects,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: they took food away from him, they strangled him. And
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: the people that are charged in his death are his grandparents,
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: Patricia Batts, James Sasser Junior, his grandfather and his fourteen
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: year old uncle who's a juvenile who's being charged as
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: an adult, James Sasser the third. And there is an
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: eighteen year old friend of the family named gah Rausch,
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: and he was arrested. Nancy. This is what's interesting. They
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: had arrested the family members, and the Sheriff's department put
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: up a post with their mug shots on their Facebook
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: page reporting about the arrest, and this family friend named
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: Gage Rout commented defending them, saying they would never do this. Well,
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: you know, while looking at is somebody did it? What? Well, Nancy,
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: they looked at that family friend's profile picture and they say, hey,
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: he looks familiar. So they pulled up the video of
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: this child being abused and he was one of the abusers.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: So they arrested him and charged him. Okay, you know what,
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: John Cardillo, a former NYPD has America Talks Knees MaxTV.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: John Cardillo, You've seen a lot, but this sounds like
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: a family affair where everyone in the family picked on
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: this one little boy. Yeah, Nancy, I mean looks you
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: find that bad guys tend to congregating groups, right, they
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: find each other. You see it with gangs like on
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: A thirteen, and you see it with the grooming gangs
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: in Europe, the pedophile grooming gangs. So these abuses, these
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: groups of abusers are really no different birds of a
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: feather flock together. People that are going to abuse a
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: child to the point of killing that child aren't going
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: to be hanging around with me or you, or Ernie
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: Allen or the doctors on the show. They're going to
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: be hanging around with like minded people because ultimately you're
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: gonna let that person into your home. They're gonna know
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: what you're doing. Right. A drug dealer hangs out with
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: a drug dealer because they've got there, or drug users
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: because they've got fashions of drugs in the home, they've
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: got weapons in the home. But part of it, going
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: back to something you asked earlier, is the why these
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: things happen, why we can't get in front of it.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: Child abuse, unlike a lot of other crimes or law enforcements,
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: is very reactive. Right, you don't know about it until
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: it's happened, and chances are the bruises and the cuts
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: and the scrapes start presenting after it's been happening for
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: a while so the very nature of it makes it
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: almost impossible for law enforcement to be proactive. I find
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: it very unusual, Doctor Angela Arnold joining me psychiatrists the
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: Atlanta jurisdiction, Doctor Angela, I noticed in many cases that
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: even when there are several children and the family, the
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: parents seem to identify one child, very often, one child
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: that they're gonna pick on, that they're going to abuse
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: and torture, and the other children, whether they join in
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: or not, become complicit in it that they're afraid to
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: tell anybody they see it happening, they see their sibling
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: tortured until they die. I find it interesting how the
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: abusers pick one of the children as their target, and
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: also the aunt in this case, Madison sass Are textured
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: her boyfriend the child should quote go die in the
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: woods and describe him as a quote piece of crap
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: off my effing shoe. And that's according to the Billings Gazette.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, these people, no, no shame. Not only do
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: they torture the child, they take videos of it, and
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: they write about it and text about it and nobody
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: does anything. It's amazing to me, Nancy. It's not unusual
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: for in a family situation, in a family dynamic, for
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: someone to become the identified patient. So that's what's that's
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: also what I'm relating this to these You know, they
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: picked one child, it's typically not the oldest child that
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: they picked. They pick one child. That child becomes the abused.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: And then there's also something calls called flois adieu where
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: everyone the mental illness or the evil that perpetuates in
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: this family, everyone starts to experience it. Everyone living in
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: the family starts to become part of that. But what
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: did you name? What was the name of that doctor,
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: Angela Arnold fois adieu? So idea, that's two correct, what's
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: the first move? Okay, well, understanding Typically it's a typically
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: that that typically describes when one of the one person
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: in the home is mentally ill and then the other
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: person starts to act inside of that person's mental illness.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: So you're saying correct, And that's when basically the whole family,
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: whether they're doing the abuse themselves or not, somehow becomes
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: part of it. And also I noticed which we first
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: became aware of. I've known about it for many years
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: after prosecuting the withholding of food, but the public became
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: largely aware of it. After the House of Horrors in
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: California with Mommy Louise Turpin and her husband, they would
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: withhold food from all of their children and they would
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: eat like cakes and pies and food in front of them,
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: yet withhold them. Crime stories with Nancy Grace, I want
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: to switch now to the story of Eduardo Passo. Thank
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: you for being with us. This is a tough subject,
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: but the epidemic of child abuse and child murdyrs is burgeoning.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: It's actually growing in the US, So thank you for
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: joining us here at Fox Nation in Sirius XM one eleven.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen to our cut
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: eight and that is Fox fifty nine Indianapolis reporter Hailey Bull.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: We're talking about a little boy named Edward. I did
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: everything I could, but it wasn't nothing worked. A spokesperson
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: for the Manitee County Sheriff's Office said they were called
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: by the school district to investigate a possible child abuse incident.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: The spokesperson said they had incidents reported to them in
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: November of twenty seventeen and twenty eighteen. They investigated and
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: found nothing. Unity County Schools confirms Eduarda was withdrawn from
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: the district this past December to be homeschooled. He had
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: attended the district sporadically since twenty twelve. No one will listen,
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: and this happens now. Now my son is dead, But
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: Garcia wants people to listen to make sure this never
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: happens again. He had a horrible day. Yes, and you
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: don't even do that to an animal. Chain it up
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: like that and abused the way he was abused. She's right,
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: you don't even do that to an animal, much less
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: a beautiful baby boy like Edward, straight out to Crime
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: online dot Com investigative reporter Levi Page, Levi, I'm looking
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: at a photo of Edward right now, and that smile
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: is just breaking my heart. What happened, Levi? Well, Nancy.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: Investigators were called to the Bloomington Hospital there in Monroe County, Indiana,
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: and twelve year old Eduardo Passo was there and he
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: was pronounced dead in the hospital. He was severely emaciated.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: He weighed only fifty pounds and he had zero zero
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: percent body fat. Nancy and his father, Louis Passo Junior,
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: was charged with murder along with his mother, Dana Medina Florez.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: They were also charged with neglect and battery. And what's
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: so disturbing, Nancy, is that there again they took photos
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: of the abuse, just like in the last case we
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: were talking about, and there was a photo of this
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: twelve year old little boy inside of a bathtub, tied
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: up with a dog shot caller around his neck. You know,
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: sometimes I don't even know what to say back. I
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: know I'm accused of interrupting and talking all the time,
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: but sometimes I don't know what to say back to
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: Ernie Allen. A special guest joining us today here at
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: Fox Nation is Sirius XM one to eleven. Ernie Allen,
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: former president of National Center Missing Exploited Children, now Alan
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: Global Consulting, still fighting for children, children He's never known,
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: he's never met, Ernie. Do you ever get to a
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: point where you're completely saturated, where you can't hear one
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: more word? Just a few moments? When I think about
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: them taking photos of the little boy as they're torturing him,
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: severely emaciated, chains and ropes, video of him wearing a
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: dog collar and a tub. How do you even wake up? Earnie?
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: It put one foot in front of the other. Well,
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: it's very difficult, Nancy, and it's easy to be overwhelmed
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: with the sheer magnitude of the numbers. But in my view,
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: we simply have to do a better job of dealing
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: with these children, one child at a time. Somebody should
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: have noticed edwardo. This didn't just happen overnight. This happened
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: over a period of time. They pulled him out of school,
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: they homeschooled him. There were images, there were videos of
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: the child being abused. So it's the system needs to improve.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: We need more resources directed towards social services, and social
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: services needs to be willing to act. I mean, you're
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: not always going to have a smoking gun. If they're bruises,
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: somebody needs to as well. Here's the thing, how do
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: you mobilize witnesses? For instance, in the case that Joseph
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: Scott Morgan referred to, the Kitty Genovisi case in New York,
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: it's a seminal case where people watched her being assaulted
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: and murdyerred, and nobody did a thing. They were watching
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: out their windows and did nothing, didn't speak up, didn't
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: say anything. And you know, I've done a crazy stuff before.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: To Joseph Scott Morgan. I remember this was right before
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: the twins were born, and I had pulled into a
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: restaurant to get to go and a woman came up
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: to me with three little children and said she needed
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: money for a bus, and I gave her everything I had.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: And then the next day, believe it or not, maybe no, no,
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: two or three days later I pulled back in and
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: got the car, and there she was again, dragging the
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: children at night through a busy parking lot, and I
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: realized she lived right there in the area and was
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: using the children as props to get money. She was
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: getting a lot of money too, because I gave her
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: everything I had, and of course I badged her and
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: told her I was going to call de facts, and
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: as a matter of fact, I did. I did call
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: the police right then, dragging One of the children was
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: a babe in arms, one could hardly walk, and the
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: other looked like there were seven or eight and this
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: was a scam. And I saw her going over with
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: the children to a really nice car like a BMW. WHOA,
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: And it goes on and on and on, and nobody
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: says anything. Joe Scott, No, they don't, Nancy, and you're right.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: Uh Uh, this idea of using the children as a
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: prop and if I could just go back to one thing,
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: uh this, this thread that seems to run through through
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: many of these cases is this photography, edeography of documenting
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: what they're doing. It's almost like these children are used
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: in a way to create this this other reality. And
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: I have to say, I think that there's probably a
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: sexual component to it too, to make it if it
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: couldn't get any worse, it's you know, you've hit the
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: basement into pravity at this moment in time, because why
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: else would you why why else would you? Would you
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: have a little boy whose amation, whose body is literally
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: consuming itself because he has as as leave I said,
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: as zero fat, so his body's actually digesting. Okay, you
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: know what, Joe Scott, It's my fault because I asked
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: you and you told me sometimes you know. But here's
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: what I learned in court. No matter how awful the
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: facts are, I want to know him and I want
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: to tell them to the jury, and I want to
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: tell them to you today because we can stop this.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: We can. It seems overwhelming, like this huge tide that
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: could sweep us away, but we can do something. Let
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: me give you a number. Please, if you suspect, even
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: suspect of child abuse, please call this number. Eight hundred
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: four a child eight hundred four two two four four
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: five three. If you suspect someone you work with, somebody
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: at school, a neighbor, somebody you see in the laundry, matter,
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: the grocery store, abuse their child, please you can make
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: a difference, and you can save a child's life. You
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: can and you will one eight hundred four two two
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: four four five three. We're talking about a little boy
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: right now, Edward Passo, who died after his parents allegedly
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: starved and abused him. Very often we see the mom
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: and the dad or one of them, but today we
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: highlighted stories that involved grandparents, stepmothers, boyfriends, non blood relatives
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: brought into the home that then took part in horrific abuse.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: All of these three children died. But it doesn't have
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: to be that way. Please join us. If you have questions,
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: go to crime online dot com or eight hundred four
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: two two four four five three. I hope we can
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: make a difference. Nancy Gray's crime story. Signing off good bye,
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  Speaker 1: said