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Capturing the Past: How Photography Tells Stories We Can't Forget with Glyn Dewis, E065 · The MOOD Podcast

• 0:00
  Glyn Dewis: If there's one thing you can guarantee in life, it's change.
• 0:02
  Glyn Dewis: If you do something for the right reasons, good things will happen.
• 0:06
  Matt Jacob: How do you balance the monetization of your education and the free?
• 0:11
  Glyn Dewis: side.
• 0:11
  Glyn Dewis: I've made some good money on YouTube.
• 0:12
  Glyn Dewis: I really have, and it's nice to have that residual income there.
• 0:14
  Glyn Dewis: But you can't rely on it.
• 0:16
  Glyn Dewis: I certainly never would want to put all my eggs into one basket when somebody else owns that basket.
• 0:21
  Glyn Dewis: When I do create content and it is a tutorial, I somebody else owns that basket.
• 0:23
  Glyn Dewis: When I do create content and it is a tutorial.
• 0:24
  Glyn Dewis: I've lost count the amount of times people have said I've brought that because you share so much.
• 0:29
  Matt Jacob: Give us two or three tips on kind of YouTube growth.
• 0:32
  Glyn Dewis: Don't stick to the same day every week.
• 0:36
  Matt Jacob: Do you spend a lot of your time?
• 0:37
  Glyn Dewis: in the online world.
• 0:38
  Glyn Dewis: I have fallen into that feeling sometimes of, oh God, I need to post something.
• 0:42
  Glyn Dewis: I need to post something Even when there's nothing to post.
• 0:50
  Matt Jacob: just enjoy the silence and this will be a controversial comment, I know it will be.
• 0:54
  Matt Jacob: Welcome to the Mood Podcast where each week, we bring you inspiring conversations with top artists from around the world and creative minds from various fields, exploring their personalities, purposes, processes and philosophies.
• 1:08
  Matt Jacob: Whether you are a seasoned photographer, an aspiring artist or simply someone who really just loves to learn and be inspired, this podcast is certainly for you.
• 1:19
  Matt Jacob: I'm your host, matt Jacob, and thank you so much for joining me in today's conversation.
• 1:24
  Matt Jacob: Your host, matt Jacob, and thank you so much for joining me in today's conversation.
• 1:27
  Matt Jacob: And our guest today is Glyn Dewis, an acclaimed photographer, educator and best-selling author known for his expertise in photography and Photoshop techniques.
• 1:37
  Matt Jacob: Glyn has worked with clients like the BBC and Sky TV and has been featured in the New York Times for his signature invisible black background technique as a Photoshop World Dream team instructor, benq ambassador and Adobe Max master.
• 1:53
  Matt Jacob: Glyn has a wealth of knowledge to share, both in front of the camera and behind the editing screen, and in today's conversation we really dive into Glyn's career, exploring his approach to dramatic portraiture and his style, his philosophy on storytelling and how he balances photography with post-production.
• 2:14
  Matt Jacob: Glyn also shares insights into his passion projects, including his powerful 39 to 45 World War II veterans portrait project and the challenges of translating visual techniques into his best-selling books and huge YouTube channel.
• 2:29
  Matt Jacob: For anyone passionate about photography, education and especially editing and post-production techniques, this one is certainly for you.
• 2:37
  Matt Jacob: So now I bring you Glyn Dewis.
• 2:51
  Matt Jacob: Glyn Dewis, welcome to the Moo Podcast.
• 2:54
  Matt Jacob: Great to have you.
• 2:55
  Matt Jacob: He's laughing because we were practicing pronouncing his last name.
• 2:59
  Matt Jacob: Where's that name from?
• 3:00
  Matt Jacob: Is it Welsh or is it it is.
• 3:02
  Glyn Dewis: It originates from Wales and I was never born there.
• 3:04
  Glyn Dewis: It was my parents, my grandparents and my dad's side that were from there.
• 3:08
  Glyn Dewis: So if you're, if ever you're, in Wales, it's Glindawy, glindawy.
• 3:11
  Matt Jacob: Oh, I should have.
• 3:12
  Matt Jacob: I should have.
• 3:13
  Matt Jacob: Let's restart.
• 3:14
  Matt Jacob: The way I wanted to start with you is a very broad question and, um, you know I don't want to kind of get bogged down too much in it, but the question that I wanted to just put up front for you was what do you do?
• 3:30
  Matt Jacob: But, more importantly, why do you do it?
• 3:33
  Glyn Dewis: What do I do, god blimey?
• 3:34
  Glyn Dewis: If you'd have asked me this a few years ago, I'd have said mainly retouching.
• 3:38
  Glyn Dewis: But then it kind of moved on to the photography side of things the portraits and now it's moved on even more and it just seems that I seem to have my thumb in lots of pies.
• 3:53
  Glyn Dewis: So I do photography, I do retouching, I do teaching, I write, I create content.
• 3:56
  Glyn Dewis: And why do I do it?
• 3:57
  Glyn Dewis: It sounds corny generally, but anybody who knows me would vouch for this.
• 4:02
  Glyn Dewis: I do it because I absolutely love doing it.
• 4:04
  Glyn Dewis: I get I'm probably more excited now about what I do than when I was when I started out.
• 4:09
  Glyn Dewis: I just absolutely love doing it, and I get very restless when I'm not doing it.
• 4:14
  Glyn Dewis: Yeah, that's me.
• 4:18
  Matt Jacob: That's infectious and inspirational.
• 4:21
  Matt Jacob: What do you enjoy the most If you were to pick one of those?
• 4:24
  Matt Jacob: What is your go-to Get up in the morning?
• 4:25
  Matt Jacob: And you can do?
• 4:25
  Matt Jacob: Do you enjoy the most If you were to pick one of those?
• 4:27
  Matt Jacob: What is your go-to Get up in the morning?
• 4:28
  Matt Jacob: And you've got it.
• 4:28
  Matt Jacob: You can do anything you want, what's your go-to?
• 4:29
  Glyn Dewis: I love I'm really enjoying just getting out.
• 4:32
  Glyn Dewis: I mean, I'm in a very fortunate position whereby I can kind of I don't take on clients as such.
• 4:38
  Glyn Dewis: I'm very picky.
• 4:39
  Glyn Dewis: If I do, it's very, very picky as to who it is so what I love to do is to kind of get up and plan and say, right, I'm going to go over there today and we're going to do this, that and the other, record it, create some content and see what I can come up with.
• 4:54
  Glyn Dewis: So that's one thing I love.
• 4:55
  Glyn Dewis: I can't just say there's one thing I love, because I do generally love it all, but there's different things.
• 4:58
  Glyn Dewis: If I was going to take a portrait, it is just the best feeling when you get what you want from that portrait.
• 5:05
  Glyn Dewis: And then when you give that person that portrait, I mean that I kind of had the most incredible feeling so many times doing when I was doing the Veterans Project, which I'm sure at some point we'll talk about.
• 5:17
  Glyn Dewis: When you give somebody a portrait and they're genuinely like, oh wow, that's me.
• 5:24
  Glyn Dewis: There's no better feeling as a photographer, so I love that and they're genuinely like, oh wow, that's me.
• 5:31
  Glyn Dewis: There's no better feeling as a photographer, so I love that, but I love also educating, when you can take somebody who didn't know something to show them in a way that you explain it and they get it.
• 5:40
  Glyn Dewis: That light bulb moment goes on and then they can go on and repeat it.
• 5:44
  Glyn Dewis: There's nothing like it.
• 5:45
  Glyn Dewis: That's nothing.
• 5:45
  Glyn Dewis: There's nothing like it.
• 5:46
  Glyn Dewis: It's brilliant, it's absolutely brilliant.
• 5:48
  Glyn Dewis: It is Like you said earlier it's infectious.
• 5:50
  Glyn Dewis: It really is what started then.
• 6:00
  Matt Jacob: You talked about almost your post-processing.
• 6:01
  Matt Jacob: You know, teaching techniques came before really diving deeper into photography, or was it?
• 6:03
  Glyn Dewis: Absolutely.
• 6:04
  Glyn Dewis: Yeah.
• 6:04
  Glyn Dewis: Yeah, I started out.
• 6:05
  Glyn Dewis: I was.
• 6:05
  Glyn Dewis: I was a researcher.
• 6:06
  Glyn Dewis: That's what I did.
• 6:07
  Glyn Dewis: I worked all the time in photoshop and that all happened very, very quickly for me, um, from when I was first introduced to it and I know it was never on the horizon in my you know I was never kind of thinking, oh, I want to do that.
• 6:17
  Glyn Dewis: I think I've always been a creative person in some way, like I did um non-residential drama school as a child.
• 6:25
  Glyn Dewis: So I've always liked being in the creative kind of zone, if you like, creative world.
• 6:29
  Glyn Dewis: But I was retouching and I got kind of involved with Adobe purely by accident.
• 6:34
  Glyn Dewis: It was it's just a case of me just deciding to share stuff.
• 6:38
  Glyn Dewis: That's how it happened for me.
• 6:40
  Glyn Dewis: Do you know what I mean?
• 6:40
  Glyn Dewis: There was I, I very, very early on, when I was doing the retouching and I was starting out trying to learn stuff, I started to share and I had a blog and the only person watching or reading that blog was, well, two people me and my wife.
• 6:54
  Glyn Dewis: That's all it was.
• 6:55
  Glyn Dewis: Do you know what I mean?
• 6:56
  Glyn Dewis: So I wasn't doing it with any intention of developing a following.
• 7:00
  Glyn Dewis: That wasn't the intention back then.
• 7:02
  Glyn Dewis: The intention was to give me some motivation to get out and create and when I committed to say, look, every Wednesday I need to have something to write, it gave me a purpose.
• 7:13
  Glyn Dewis: And that kind of just started to snowball and I got noticed and I got invited to come along to an event at Adobe when they were doing some filming for a week.
• 7:21
  Glyn Dewis: It was on the release of their it wasn't the Creative Cloud, because it was way before then.
• 7:26
  Glyn Dewis: I forget what they actually called it now, but it was like a week of creativity and on the final day they had TV studios and it was all being filmed and all being put out on live and there was an audience and stuff and I was one of the panel and there was a number of us on the panel.
• 7:43
  Glyn Dewis: One of these, one of the people on the panel, was an agent, a, uh like an agent, photography agent, retouching agent and we got chatting and it kind of went from there.
• 7:52
  Glyn Dewis: So I ended up doing freelance work for these agents and I started doing work for the BBC and sky and working on some programs that you know.
• 8:00
  Glyn Dewis: You know, we know, like you know, the apprentice and miranda hart and great expectations, and there was another program called most haunted and I was doing all the researching work for that and it was great fun.
• 8:09
  Glyn Dewis: And then I started sharing those techniques.
• 8:13
  Glyn Dewis: It was just, I think I've just always liked to share what I do.
• 8:16
  Glyn Dewis: And yeah, again with no intention.
• 8:20
  Glyn Dewis: And all of a sudden I remember once I was, I was taught I'd been to america.
• 8:24
  Glyn Dewis: Actually.
• 8:24
  Glyn Dewis: Then, if I just backtrack just a little bit, when I first got shown Photoshop, I was kind of like I've got to learn this, I've got to learn more.
• 8:31
  Glyn Dewis: Do you know what I mean?
• 8:32
  Glyn Dewis: I want to cause?
• 8:32
  Glyn Dewis: I'm just one of those people.
• 8:33
  Glyn Dewis: I am kind of an addictive personality or not not necessarily addictive but if I do something I can't play at it.
• 8:40
  Glyn Dewis: If I decide to do something I've got to do it to the best of my ability, because the worst thing for me would be to have a regret that I didn't push myself up.
• 8:48
  Glyn Dewis: So within a matter of weeks of being shown Photoshop, I saw these adverts that were saying if you want to learn it, you've got to come to America.
• 9:00
  Glyn Dewis: I'd never been to America, I'd never been, so I thought I've got to go then that's it.
• 9:02
  Glyn Dewis: So I said to my wife I want to learn this All right off.
• 9:04
  Glyn Dewis: You go then.
• 9:04
  Glyn Dewis: So I went to Las Vegas and it was quite funny because when I was out there, everybody in America who's from there was saying listen, don't judge us by Vegas.
• 9:12
  Glyn Dewis: You know, it was my first time there, but that was to an event called Photoshop World and it just kind of went from there and it back and I just ran with it and I remember being in a coffee house where we used to live and I was there with my laptop just doing odds and sods and I was doing some of that read that, that freelance researching work for the Red Bee Media and then I got a phone call American number I thought I recognize that and it ended up being Scott Kelby, who was the head of the organization that I was teaching from.
• 9:39
  Glyn Dewis: I was like, uh, he said, hi, glenn, it's Scott Kelby.
• 9:42
  Glyn Dewis: I was like, oh, hi.
• 9:45
  Glyn Dewis: He said, listen, are you coming to Photoshop World again this year?
• 9:47
  Glyn Dewis: I was like, yeah, yeah, I intend to.
• 9:49
  Glyn Dewis: He says, oh great.
• 9:49
  Glyn Dewis: He said, will you teach for us?
• 9:52
  Glyn Dewis: And I'm in a packed coffee shop and I was like hold on a second.
• 10:01
  Glyn Dewis: And I kid you not, as true as I'm sat here, I put my phone to my chest like this just to muffle the microphone, and I outwardly said I didn't whisper.
• 10:06
  Glyn Dewis: I outwardly went fucking hell, really loud, and I was like you know, I swore and I went compose myself.
• 10:12
  Glyn Dewis: I said yeah, yeah, that's no problem, it'd be great, yeah.
• 10:15
  Glyn Dewis: And he says great, I'll get my gene, my PA, to get in touch with you, it'd be great to have you happen.
• 10:28
  Glyn Dewis: Do you know what I mean?
• 10:28
  Glyn Dewis: I was just.
• 10:29
  Glyn Dewis: It was just me getting out as often as I could, every spare moment that I could which I still do now to get out and create because I love creating.
• 10:38
  Glyn Dewis: So I'm always, I've always been, a big believer If you do something for the right reasons, good things will happen.
• 10:41
  Glyn Dewis: You can't force it, it will happen.
• 10:50
  Matt Jacob: Yeah, I love that.
• 10:50
  Matt Jacob: What a great story, and I wrote down a couple of quotes Scott has said about you.
• 10:54
  Matt Jacob: One of the things I love about Glyn as an educator is that he takes his audience beyond just the technical nuts and bolts of photography and emphasizes the creative side of building an image.
• 11:04
  Matt Jacob: And there's something nuanced about that that I think could be overlooked but very, very important, especially for beginner photographers.
• 11:15
  Matt Jacob: If I just kind of dive into photographers a little bit in the post-processing, because it could be so overwhelming, we know what it's like, interesting that you come from kind of the opposite way, from the from, from the editing side to then photography.
• 11:28
  Matt Jacob: But a lot of people that you teach I'm sure I'm just assuming, but a lot of them probably coming from the photography side, like with a camera taking photos and then they're like photoshop is a mind fuck, right, it's when you first open it and you don't.
• 11:41
  Matt Jacob: You don't know what you're doing.
• 11:43
  Matt Jacob: I mean, I know I was like that.
• 11:45
  Glyn Dewis: I remember the first time I opened it.
• 11:47
  Glyn Dewis: Do you remember when I'm showing my age here?
• 11:49
  Glyn Dewis: But when the internet became a thing and we had our first modem, you're like, oh, I'm going to get on the internet.
• 11:54
  Glyn Dewis: And then you dial in and you hear that.
• 11:56
  Glyn Dewis: And then eventually you connect and you go now, what do I do?
• 12:01
  Glyn Dewis: So you start surfing all sorts of rubbish.
• 12:03
  Glyn Dewis: It was the same with me with Photoshop, when I got the program.
• 12:06
  Glyn Dewis: I'll load it in.
• 12:06
  Glyn Dewis: There it is.
• 12:07
  Glyn Dewis: And I'm like now, what?
• 12:09
  Glyn Dewis: What do I do now, you know?
• 12:11
  Glyn Dewis: So, yeah, it is, it's a total mindfuck, as you say.
• 12:19
  Matt Jacob: It really can be.
• 12:20
  Matt Jacob: How do you go about?
• 12:26
  Matt Jacob: You know, I'm really interested in the fact that you kind of fell into the education side of it just through wanting to share.
• 12:29
  Matt Jacob: You're excellent at teaching but breaking down things so that they're easy to understand.
• 12:32
  Matt Jacob: That's why I've followed you and hundreds of thousands of other people follow you and watch your tutorials, right.
• 12:38
  Matt Jacob: So you know, scott obviously saw that in you early on.
• 12:41
  Matt Jacob: What is it about?
• 12:43
  Matt Jacob: You know, we're going to talk for the rest of this show a lot about this.
• 12:47
  Matt Jacob: But for those watching and listening, why do you think they do follow you or should follow you, or even want to continue watching and listening to this conversation in the way that appeals to them from the way you break down things and the way you explain things?
• 13:03
  Matt Jacob: What is it about you and that technique?
• 13:06
  Glyn Dewis: Blimey.
• 13:06
  Glyn Dewis: That's a difficult one to answer because you kind of it's almost like you're giving yourself an appraisal, isn't it?
• 13:10
  Glyn Dewis: But I guess, if I just think about how I, if I step out of myself and look at what I do and say, and how do I do it, first of all, I would say that those who, those who've seen me present in person on stage and then they're kind of like, met me afterwards, and friends who have along the way, and friends I've made along the way, I think they would all pretty much vouch for the fact that there is no stage glint.
• 13:33
  Glyn Dewis: You know what I mean.
• 13:34
  Glyn Dewis: It's not like here we go, put that stage mask on, and it's what I'd like to think that people realize what you see is what you get.
• 13:42
  Glyn Dewis: And and I'm very, very honest, and maybe in the way that I break it down, is just, I have to have things nice and simple.
• 13:51
  Glyn Dewis: Do you know what I mean?
• 13:52
  Glyn Dewis: And I always I've always kind of whenever there's anything in my life that I've got involved in, I've always kind of thought hold on a second, let's just.
• 14:00
  Glyn Dewis: Let's just look at this in a real simplistic kind of way.
• 14:02
  Glyn Dewis: How do I understand this?
• 14:05
  Glyn Dewis: And maybe that's how I put it across because I'm very self-conscious.
• 14:10
  Glyn Dewis: I'm very conscious of how all of this stuff because the world that we live in, with photography, with software, cameras, kit, do you know what I mean?
• 14:20
  Glyn Dewis: It can get very overwhelming and very techie and geeky and you can very quickly lose people.
• 14:25
  Glyn Dewis: And I just want people to enjoy it as much as I do and again, this is going to sound really corny, but I just love doing it, I love sharing it and I try to share it in a way that if I was a newbie again, I would understand it.
• 14:40
  Glyn Dewis: And I've also had some very, very good mentors.
• 14:42
  Glyn Dewis: I mean, I've been incredibly fortunate with the friends that I've made along the way, who were people that I followed and still continue to do so.
• 14:49
  Glyn Dewis: To be honest with you, because there's always more to learn People that I've followed and I look at the way that they presented and I give Scott as an example Scott and myself very different personalities, but Scott has a way of breaking things down and making them very simplistic.
• 15:04
  Glyn Dewis: You know there's other people that I've followed Chris Orwig, ben Wilmore, the list goes on.
• 15:12
  Glyn Dewis: Do you know these people?
• 15:12
  Glyn Dewis: Deke McClelland, all these people made it simple.
• 15:17
  Glyn Dewis: They made a very difficult what could be a potentially very difficult process, very simple, but also enjoyable.
• 15:24
  Glyn Dewis: But saying that, I also think that when people do start to get hands on and do this stuff, they suddenly start to realize that they're the one that's been the problem.
• 15:35
  Glyn Dewis: And what I mean by that is they thought that what I generally what I mean by that is and it's by no fault of their own, because we're all guilty of it when we're doing this is that we think it's going to be harder than it is, and that becomes a mental block.
• 15:48
  Glyn Dewis: And then when somebody explains it, you go ah, I didn't realize that, or why was I fixed on going this particular route to do this technique?
• 15:58
  Glyn Dewis: And this person here has just shown me I didn't need to do any of that.
• 16:00
  Glyn Dewis: I could just go bang, bang.
• 16:01
  Glyn Dewis: It's like oh, what do you know I mean, and then then that's, and that's good.
• 16:06
  Glyn Dewis: Then, because you think it's me, I'm the one that's made this difficult.
• 16:09
  Glyn Dewis: It isn't difficult, so that that's kind of the way that things go, and really the only challenge with this stuff is once you get your head around the basics.
• 16:17
  Glyn Dewis: It's a good thing that there's never there's no just one way of doing things.
• 16:21
  Glyn Dewis: You can do things in a multitude of ways.
• 16:22
  Glyn Dewis: The only barrier that you have, the only difficult thing to have in this whole thing, is the limit you put on your creativity, because anything, anything you can imagine you can do with this.
• 16:33
  Glyn Dewis: You can do it, but only if you don't put that barrier up of thinking that's way too hard.
• 16:40
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• 16:41
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• 16:47
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• 17:57
  Matt Jacob: All right, let's get back to the episode.
• 17:59
  Matt Jacob: I think that's the biggest breakthrough you can have as an educator or as a student is understanding that 90% of any difficulties you find with actually anything in life but photography is a perfect example is limiting beliefs, like, as you said, like a limited you know, telling yourself a story that this is so difficult or this is so overwhelming, or where do I start, or I need some help and I need that.
• 18:23
  Matt Jacob: Well, we all, we all have that feeling, especially at the beginning.
• 18:27
  Matt Jacob: But I'm interested in how you can impart maybe a little win on students where you can then transfer that passion that you have and transfer that kind of enjoyment of a little success.
• 18:43
  Matt Jacob: It could be anything, it could be.
• 18:46
  Matt Jacob: I've just started learning jujitsu and just learning one submission technique.
• 18:49
  Matt Jacob: I've got 10 years ahead of me if I want to keep doing it right.
• 18:51
  Matt Jacob: But learning one submission technique makes me just, oh my God, this is amazing.
• 18:56
  Matt Jacob: I get it, I can do it, and more and more and more.
• 18:58
  Matt Jacob: Same with Lightroom, photoshop, cameras and, like you said, there's so much out there.
• 19:05
  Matt Jacob: I kind of like the fact we only have Lightroom and Photoshop really, let's be honest, the two main editing softwares for photographers Lightroom and Photoshop.
• 19:14
  Matt Jacob: Yeah, there are others, but the majority of people will use those.
• 19:16
  Matt Jacob: I kind of like there are only two options, otherwise it would just be.
• 19:19
  Matt Jacob: Yeah.
• 19:20
  Glyn Dewis: I'd probably agree with you there.
• 19:21
  Glyn Dewis: The mass market is certainly going to be the Adobe based apps and platforms, but you know there are some incredible alternatives out there as well.
• 19:30
  Glyn Dewis: Do you know what I mean, like Capture One and stuff?
• 19:32
  Glyn Dewis: But that can be very niche.
• 19:34
  Glyn Dewis: I would say generally most people.
• 19:37
  Glyn Dewis: Well, affinity as well.
• 19:39
  Glyn Dewis: Affinity is another good platform out there, but I think most people would certainly have, if they're not still using it, that it was still.
• 19:45
  Glyn Dewis: You know if, unless I've moved on, photoshop and lightroom is the things that people would be familiar with.
• 19:51
  Matt Jacob: Yeah, well, how do you balance the you know, going into a little bit more the business side of it how do you balance the, the monetization of your education, and the free side of education?
• 20:04
  Matt Jacob: So I'm thinking you know youtube channel, where you know you, you're essentially giving tutorials for free and then either side of it, you're selling digital assets.
• 20:13
  Matt Jacob: How do you balance the those two and how do you choose kind of what to, what to go down and what to do.
• 20:19
  Glyn Dewis: That's a very, a well-timed question with the way that I've changed things up recently, because it can be be a challenge how much do you give away for free as opposed to how much can you then charge for?
• 20:32
  Glyn Dewis: Do you know what I mean?
• 20:33
  Glyn Dewis: Because people could quite easily say hold on a second.
• 20:35
  Glyn Dewis: You've just shared all of that.
• 20:37
  Glyn Dewis: Why would I need to buy that?
• 20:39
  Glyn Dewis: So you have got to get a balance, and that's the challenge that I've certainly had with YouTube over the years.
• 20:44
  Glyn Dewis: Have got to get a balance and that's the challenge that I've certainly had with YouTube over the years.
• 20:46
  Glyn Dewis: Youtube is a fantastic platform.
• 20:47
  Glyn Dewis: I love sharing on it.
• 20:48
  Glyn Dewis: But I've kind of fallen into the trap before of feeling compelled to do a video every week with YouTube and it then started to feel like a job and I started to not enjoy it.
• 21:00
  Glyn Dewis: So I pulled back and that's happened to me a few times, don't get me wrong.
• 21:04
  Glyn Dewis: It's been YouTube.
• 21:06
  Glyn Dewis: I've made some good money on YouTube I really have and it's nice to have that residual income there but you can't rely on it.
• 21:12
  Glyn Dewis: This is like the realization that I had that you can't rely on it.
• 21:17
  Glyn Dewis: This is a platform that somebody else owns and somebody else controls, and when you've kind of built up this following and you think you've got it sussed, things change.
• 21:31
  Glyn Dewis: If there's one thing you can guarantee in life, it's change.
• 21:32
  Glyn Dewis: And I know that I was recently speaking to a friend of mine, unmesh Dinder, and we were chatting about this because obviously Unmesh has developed a fantastic following on his YouTube channel with regards to Photoshop tutorials and he was saying that things are shifting.
• 21:43
  Glyn Dewis: Viewing numbers are down on Photoshop videos across the board, not just for him, but if across the board, for people who share this stuff.
• 21:51
  Glyn Dewis: What's the reason for that?
• 21:52
  Glyn Dewis: I don't know.
• 21:53
  Glyn Dewis: So my kind of thought with this was I can't rely.
• 21:56
  Glyn Dewis: I can't rely on YouTube to be my income.
• 22:00
  Glyn Dewis: I certainly never would want to put all my eggs into one basket when somebody else owns that basket for a startup.
• 22:06
  Glyn Dewis: So I've always wanted to have multiple income streams.
• 22:10
  Glyn Dewis: So like the writing, the books, the tutorials, the YouTubes, all that kind of stuff.
• 22:15
  Glyn Dewis: So my attitude towards YouTube has changed in that now, youtube for me is you hear this word a lot, don't you?
• 22:22
  Glyn Dewis: With marketing it's a funnel.
• 22:23
  Glyn Dewis: Youtube for me is a funnel, it's for, it's a way for me to keep in touch with everybody.
• 22:29
  Glyn Dewis: It's a way for me to share stuff occasionally, but really my focus is on my, the people who I'm really grateful, who choose to sign up to my newsletter.
• 22:40
  Glyn Dewis: It's those people that I should be looking after, not necessarily YouTube.
• 22:47
  Glyn Dewis: I you know people who go, go out of their way to say, yeah, I like this guy, I want to, I want to hear from him twice a month.
• 22:52
  Glyn Dewis: Um, and for those people, I feel like it's it's my duty to reward them with saying, look, I'm going to the stuff I would have ordinarily put on YouTube that's for you folks now.
• 23:02
  Glyn Dewis: So I'm going to make it subscriber only and that develops a bit of a loyalty there.
• 23:07
  Glyn Dewis: Now, that kind of stuff.
• 23:09
  Glyn Dewis: I have no issue with thinking that if I'm sharing content like that with them or on YouTube, am I then going to kind of cut my you know my financial kind of income when it comes to selling tutorials?
• 23:20
  Glyn Dewis: And the answer is no.
• 23:21
  Glyn Dewis: What I found is, surprisingly, that when I do create content and it is a tutorial, a full-length tutorial do you know what I've lost count of the amount of times people have said I've brought that because you share so much, I felt it was right to buy something.
• 23:38
  Glyn Dewis: Wow, okay, there is always more that you get when it comes to the full-length tutorials.
• 23:46
  Glyn Dewis: Full-length tutorials are the full movie.
• 23:49
  Glyn Dewis: The YouTube videos is the trailer.
• 23:51
  Glyn Dewis: Isn't it really that you see to entice you to see the full movie?
• 23:55
  Glyn Dewis: That's how it should be and that's how my mentality is with it now.
• 23:57
  Glyn Dewis: But I use YouTube now, like I said, for my keeping in touch with people and do my live streams.
• 24:02
  Glyn Dewis: I love doing live.
• 24:04
  Glyn Dewis: I miss doing live in-person stuff.
• 24:07
  Glyn Dewis: So for me, weekly, that is my therapy.
• 24:12
  Glyn Dewis: I guess that is my one stage.
• 24:15
  Glyn Dewis: I've always liked to be in front of people, so that's what I use YouTube for.
• 24:18
  Matt Jacob: Yeah, fascinating, and how do you?
• 24:20
  Matt Jacob: Youtube is still an online platform, right?
• 24:24
  Matt Jacob: So it's almost a funnel and it's.
• 24:26
  Matt Jacob: You know, you use it as a funnel, but it's almost like its own echo chamber.
• 24:29
  Matt Jacob: Do you ever think about, you know, making sure you balance your online presence with something in the real world?
• 24:37
  Matt Jacob: Right, it's, it's so easy.
• 24:39
  Matt Jacob: You know, I'm on YouTube as well.
• 24:40
  Matt Jacob: I know how easy an Instagram or social media specialist photographers once you kind of get in, you get pulled in, you know, because of the way it's built the business model around all these things.
• 24:49
  Matt Jacob: How do you balance that?
• 24:50
  Matt Jacob: Do you spend a lot of your time in the online world or do you try and still get out there and about and do projects?
• 24:57
  Glyn Dewis: Listen, priority for me is getting out there doing the projects, and my intention is that the social is sharing that I'm out there doing the projects.
• 25:05
  Glyn Dewis: But I won't deny that I have fallen into that feeling sometimes of, oh God, I need to post something.
• 25:11
  Glyn Dewis: I need to post something Even when there's nothing to post.
• 25:13
  Glyn Dewis: It's like just enjoy the silence.
• 25:16
  Glyn Dewis: If you've got nothing to say, don't say it.
• 25:18
  Glyn Dewis: I remember years ago doing some work with a guy.
• 25:21
  Glyn Dewis: We used to do quite a bit of Photoshop stuff together, teaching together, and I remember him saying to me that he makes it.
• 25:31
  Glyn Dewis: He makes a point that he has to post on Facebook and Instagram nine times a day and that's just what exactly?
• 25:33
  Glyn Dewis: That is exactly it.
• 25:34
  Glyn Dewis: That was my kind of reaction internally.
• 25:36
  Glyn Dewis: I didn't say it to him, but I'm like oh my God.
• 25:38
  Glyn Dewis: And that there, when you're, when you're feeling that need to post that much, it becomes what Zach Arias referred to as noise.
• 25:46
  Glyn Dewis: It's just noise.
• 25:48
  Glyn Dewis: I don't know if you've seen the videos that Zach did quite a few years ago.
• 25:50
  Glyn Dewis: If you haven't, you've got to check them out.
• 25:52
  Glyn Dewis: It's just noise and I don't want to create noise.
• 25:57
  Glyn Dewis: If you feel compelled to write something when there's no real desire to share something.
• 26:02
  Glyn Dewis: That's when you start to say look what I had for dinner.
• 26:05
  Glyn Dewis: It's just like oh God, look at this coffee I'm having.
• 26:09
  Glyn Dewis: It's like no, basically what you're telling me is that you've got nothing else to say, so just enjoy the silence.
• 26:15
  Glyn Dewis: It makes me laugh when you hear people saying sorry, I've not been around for a while.
• 26:21
  Glyn Dewis: It's like I'm sorry, but I didn't even notice, don't worry about while.
• 26:24
  Glyn Dewis: It's like I'm sorry, but I didn't even notice, don't worry about it, it's okay.
• 26:26
  Glyn Dewis: I mean, you don't need to share.
• 26:27
  Matt Jacob: No one cares.
• 26:30
  Glyn Dewis: But on the other side of it, you've got to be on it because that's the way of the world.
• 26:35
  Glyn Dewis: Now you know you can be very you know you can be very easily forgotten, very quickly forgotten.
• 26:41
  Glyn Dewis: You know, if you're not posting, if you disappear off social media, let's say for six months, people are going oh, that person, what was his name?
• 26:50
  Glyn Dewis: Oh, yeah, yeah.
• 26:51
  Glyn Dewis: And then when they do reappear, oh, I thought I didn't realize you were still doing it.
• 26:54
  Glyn Dewis: Well, yeah, I am, it's just that I've not been posting on these social platforms.
• 27:05
  Matt Jacob: I'm still out there enjoying what I'm doing.
• 27:05
  Matt Jacob: Yeah, it's not just that, is it?
• 27:07
  Matt Jacob: It's the algorithm as well.
• 27:07
  Matt Jacob: It's not.
• 27:07
  Matt Jacob: All of these are algorithm based, so when you do come back, it's not gonna wanna, it's like, well, no, you know, it's gonna punish you.
• 27:10
  Matt Jacob: Essentially, I hate that, so I really hate that having to do something because of the algorithm.
• 27:16
  Glyn Dewis: you don't?
• 27:16
  Glyn Dewis: I don't I haven't heard that so much now but people chasing this algorithm.
• 27:20
  Glyn Dewis: It shouldn't be that way, it really shouldn't.
• 27:23
  Glyn Dewis: You should be posting because you just love doing what you're doing and you want to share what you're doing, and I know that there has to be an alternative reason for it, but not all the time.
• 27:32
  Glyn Dewis: I mean, it's like when I send out a newsletter.
• 27:35
  Glyn Dewis: If I send out five newsletters, one of those is saying there's something to purchase.
• 27:41
  Glyn Dewis: The other four are me just having a chat letting them know things.
• 27:45
  Glyn Dewis: I treat my newsletters like when I was at school we used to have pen pals, so I used to set up this scheme and you'd have somebody abroad that you'd write to.
• 27:52
  Glyn Dewis: That's how I want it to be.
• 27:53
  Glyn Dewis: Do you know what I mean?
• 27:54
  Glyn Dewis: That kind of feeling, not because I'm doing this, because people aren't stupid.
• 27:58
  Glyn Dewis: You know they get this newsletter saying hi and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 28:01
  Glyn Dewis: Load of waffle, waffle, waffle, small talk, small talk, buy this.
• 28:04
  Glyn Dewis: And you think, well, you could have cut all that.
• 28:06
  Glyn Dewis: You really were just emailing me to tell me that I don't want it to be like that.
• 28:11
  Matt Jacob: It's like music to my ears what you're saying.
• 28:13
  Matt Jacob: I 100% agree with you.
• 28:15
  Matt Jacob: However, I understand, you know I say that to people who say, oh, it's okay for you, you already have a following, right, you already have an audience.
• 28:29
  Matt Jacob: So well, yeah, maybe I'm still trying to.
• 28:30
  Matt Jacob: I'd still like to grow it and still like to kind of leverage that can, because business model at the end of the day, but, um, you know, for, for newbies starting a game, someone just starting a YouTube channel, and they want to do it and they want to share and they just, you know, they, they want to want that to be their job essentially, or part of their job, or a diversified business model.
• 28:45
  Matt Jacob: Same with instagram or any of these fucking platforms.
• 28:48
  Matt Jacob: Right, what you there has to be an element of that where you are strategizing.
• 28:53
  Matt Jacob: You're not just throwing stuff out there, otherwise you don't know what works.
• 28:58
  Matt Jacob: It could just fall flat in the face and you're not.
• 29:01
  Matt Jacob: You know, until you have a thousand, two thousand, ten thousand, whatever the number might be, you're just speaking to no one.
• 29:07
  Matt Jacob: Essentially.
• 29:07
  Matt Jacob: So I, I, I, 99 of me agrees with you, but I understand the predicament in today's society that new photographers, new artists, new content creators, whatever industry sector might be in.
• 29:20
  Matt Jacob: I understand the difficulty and the desire that you kind of get pulled into that kind of track to be.
• 29:27
  Glyn Dewis: Again, you know we're going to go back and forth with this.
• 29:29
  Glyn Dewis: I'm sure and I do agree with you what you say there there has to be a strategy.
• 29:33
  Glyn Dewis: But ultimately the priority is that you do it because you enjoy it and you're sharing because you want to share, not because there's some ulterior motive.
• 29:44
  Glyn Dewis: I'll give it, I'll give an example, I'll try.
• 29:46
  Glyn Dewis: I'll try and tie this in right.
• 29:48
  Glyn Dewis: When I was doing that that veterans project, which took off far more than I ever expected I remember I was contacted by a guy, guy in America, who said that he loved what I was doing and he wanted to do the similar thing in America.
• 30:04
  Glyn Dewis: And there's been a few people that have said that, which is great, because there's only one of me and I can't travel around photographing every veteran from every conflict.
• 30:11
  Glyn Dewis: So what I would do is when I would post a picture of a recent veteran portrait, I would put, let's say, john Smith.
• 30:20
  Glyn Dewis: John Smith was a paratrooper in the British Army, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 30:24
  Glyn Dewis: That's what I would post.
• 30:25
  Glyn Dewis: And I noticed that this particular guy, he started doing his project in the States and he would post the picture and he would say John Smith, veteran, and then there'd be six lines I'm not exaggerating six lines of hashtags Hashtag photographer, hashtag, canon hashtag, hire me, hashtag, this.
• 30:46
  Glyn Dewis: And I was thinking you're doing this for the wrong reasons.
• 30:50
  Glyn Dewis: And I remember I went to do a.
• 30:52
  Glyn Dewis: I was teaching at a conference in America and I knew this guy In fact it was Photoshop World and there was four photographers who were four instructors, who were asked to do a special event on one of the evenings and it was a closed door event to 400 out of all the attendees that had paid extra to come just to listen to this particular evening.
• 31:10
  Glyn Dewis: And I was rubbing shoulders with people who've become friends now, like Joe McNally, you know, and Joe Grimes and what have you.
• 31:16
  Glyn Dewis: And we're there, and my friend, I think, aaron Blaze, was there from Disney, he was there as well.
• 31:20
  Glyn Dewis: So we're on the stage and we all get up to do like a half an hour talk.
• 31:24
  Glyn Dewis: And then I get up to do my talk and I'm talking a little bit about doing things for the right reasons.
• 31:30
  Glyn Dewis: I couldn't help myself.
• 31:32
  Glyn Dewis: I just went for it hell for leather and I kind of said that you've got to do things for the right reason.
• 31:36
  Glyn Dewis: But when I talked about it I said, right, I've been contacted by this one guy who was doing this project and I explained what I've just explained to you about he's photographing veterans and he was putting all this stuff in there.
• 31:47
  Glyn Dewis: But I changed it around.
• 31:48
  Glyn Dewis: I said, oh, you know, he was a Nikon shooter.
• 31:50
  Glyn Dewis: I tried to disguise who he was and I could see him looking at me in the audience and I just kind of I pointed yeah, I pointed in his direction, he was in the audience.
• 31:58
  Glyn Dewis: Oh, yeah, he's in the audience.
• 31:58
  Glyn Dewis: And I pointed in his direction.
• 31:59
  Glyn Dewis: I says don't ever treat people like a, like a resource.
• 32:04
  Glyn Dewis: If you're going to be doing something like, do it for the right reasons.
• 32:08
  Glyn Dewis: And if you're doing for veterans, how dare you do this?
• 32:09
  Glyn Dewis: And I wasn't saying you, how dare you, but it was in that general direction, but he would have felt like I was giving it.
• 32:15
  Glyn Dewis: Don't you ever do that.
• 32:17
  Glyn Dewis: Don't treat people like this.
• 32:18
  Glyn Dewis: You're going to do something, do it for the right reasons and things will happen, but don't treat people like they're your cash cow.
• 32:24
  Glyn Dewis: And that was it.
• 32:26
  Glyn Dewis: Never heard from him again, but it really got me, it really wound me up and that's kind of like the social.
• 32:31
  Glyn Dewis: That's the way the social media can go.
• 32:33
  Glyn Dewis: Do you know what I mean?
• 32:34
  Glyn Dewis: It can be very it can be very artificial, whereby people are trying to say or trying to convince you they're saying one thing when really they're saying another, and you can see it there.
• 32:44
  Glyn Dewis: And yes, there's got to be an element of that.
• 32:47
  Glyn Dewis: But just, you don't have to be so cloak and dagger about it.
• 32:50
  Glyn Dewis: If you've got something to sell there, you go, it's something to sell.
• 32:53
  Glyn Dewis: If you want to share a portrait, share a portrait.
• 32:56
  Glyn Dewis: But don't try and treat us like idiots thinking, oh, that's nice, read, read, read.
• 33:01
  Glyn Dewis: Oh, I'll buy that.
• 33:02
  Glyn Dewis: I just don't like it.
• 33:03
  Glyn Dewis: Maybe it's just me, I just don't like it.
• 33:05
  Glyn Dewis: It's.
• 33:06
  Glyn Dewis: Um, maybe I could have had a much, much bigger following by now if I'd have done it their way, but this doesn't sit comfortably with me yeah, but yeah, and you wouldn't, the longevity wouldn't be there.
• 33:17
  Matt Jacob: And I tell this to people all the time, students or or new friends I have here in Bali.
• 33:21
  Matt Jacob: Bali is very kind of um, I kind of put this politely.
• 33:24
  Matt Jacob: It's quite an influencer central community here that I kind of keep arms, arms legs about and they're all about that.
• 33:32
  Matt Jacob: You know that.
• 33:32
  Matt Jacob: They introduce people to me by the way of how many followers they have on TikTok.
• 33:37
  Matt Jacob: It's like it makes me want to vomit, right it's.
• 33:42
  Matt Jacob: I mean, it's fine for the moment.
• 33:44
  Matt Jacob: Like you said earlier, everything changes.
• 33:46
  Matt Jacob: It's not genuine.
• 33:47
  Matt Jacob: So only genuine things, genuine feelings, genuine passions, genuine people last and sleep well at night and do better in the long run.
• 33:57
  Matt Jacob: Yeah, you might get a few viral videos and people go on to me about virality all the time.
• 34:03
  Matt Jacob: I had an agent who I don't work with, but they were trying to kind of get me on their books, telling me about how I should be posting more on stories about my personal life and what I'm doing.
• 34:14
  Matt Jacob: No, fuck that.
• 34:15
  Matt Jacob: A it just doesn't feel right.
• 34:18
  Matt Jacob: B why would anyone be interested in that?
• 34:20
  Matt Jacob: And c I don't want to do it, which means I'm not going to do it, so that there's no point.
• 34:26
  Matt Jacob: It becomes like a chore and then you fall out of love with it, and that's what I agree with you so much.
• 34:32
  Matt Jacob: How much?
• 34:33
  Glyn Dewis: do people want from this?
• 34:34
  Glyn Dewis: There is a huge pie out there Everybody.
• 34:38
  Glyn Dewis: There's a slice for everybody.
• 34:40
  Glyn Dewis: But how big do you want that?
• 34:41
  Glyn Dewis: Don't be greedy, do you know what I mean?
• 34:43
  Glyn Dewis: You don't have to be.
• 34:44
  Glyn Dewis: You know the Casey Neistats, the Marcus Brownlees of having millions and millions of followers, who are incredible amounts of money from YouTube and from sponsorships and all that kind of stuff.
• 34:55
  Glyn Dewis: You only need a fraction of that and you've got a very, very good lifestyle and your conscience is clear as well.
• 35:01
  Glyn Dewis: I love the way that Casey does his stuff.
• 35:03
  Glyn Dewis: I love the way that Marcus does his stuff.
• 35:05
  Glyn Dewis: They enjoy doing it.
• 35:06
  Glyn Dewis: They do it really, really well and you're under no illusion when they're doing a video what it's about and what the intention is.
• 35:13
  Glyn Dewis: But this, this, all this kind of like making a name because of how many followers you got, it's like the thing on TV.
• 35:20
  Glyn Dewis: Now, every other program that you see on TV is such and such with celebrity or celebrity such and such.
• 35:26
  Glyn Dewis: It's like celebrity really.
• 35:28
  Glyn Dewis: Let's have a look here and I said never heard of you, never heard of them.
• 35:32
  Glyn Dewis: They just happened to have been on television, they work on television.
• 35:36
  Glyn Dewis: They're not celebrities.
• 35:37
  Glyn Dewis: Celebrities.
• 35:38
  Glyn Dewis: Celebrities are your, you know, tom Cruise's, your Schwarzenegger's, your Stallone's, you know, your Ryan Gosling's?
• 35:45
  Glyn Dewis: These are celebrities and, you know, not doesn't have to be just film stars, but other people in other walks of life who've done incredible things.
• 35:52
  Glyn Dewis: They are celebrities, sports personalities and so on and so forth.
• 35:56
  Glyn Dewis: But it's just, it's just gone a bit weird.
• 35:59
  Glyn Dewis: It's like everybody wants to be famous and it's like you know people in our world, everyone wants to be famous and their neighbors don't even know what they do.
• 36:09
  Glyn Dewis: It's like, well, you're trying to run before you can walk.
• 36:12
  Glyn Dewis: Have you had a local exhibition in your village hall yet to let your neighbors know what you do?
• 36:16
  Glyn Dewis: Meanwhile, you're trying to conquer the earth.
• 36:19
  Glyn Dewis: It's like come on, let's just slow down, build some solid foundations, you know oh, glenn, we could talk for hours about this.
• 36:26
  Matt Jacob: I love it.
• 36:27
  Matt Jacob: Um, yeah, dude.
• 36:29
  Matt Jacob: Just people forget that the online world is the online world.
• 36:34
  Matt Jacob: It is no more than that.
• 36:35
  Matt Jacob: It it really translates to the real world and people think, like you said, they chase fame.
• 36:41
  Matt Jacob: Back in 2000, 2005, you were the likes of Big Brother and you know, celebrity was like a thing that I just want to be famous.
• 36:49
  Matt Jacob: X factor, I just want to be famous.
• 36:50
  Matt Jacob: That's not a thing Like.
• 36:52
  Matt Jacob: That's not a job, that's not a career, that's.
• 36:54
  Glyn Dewis: I don't watch those programs now, but when they first started out things like Pop, idol and stuff like that you'd get some 10-year-old kid would come on stage and go.
• 37:05
  Glyn Dewis: All my life I've wanted to be a singer.
• 37:06
  Glyn Dewis: You're 10.
• 37:07
  Glyn Dewis: Do you know?
• 37:09
  Matt Jacob: what I mean.
• 37:10
  Glyn Dewis: All your life.
• 37:11
  Glyn Dewis: What do you mean?
• 37:12
  Matt Jacob: Yeah, yeah, all the five years I've been able to talk, yeah.
• 37:16
  Glyn Dewis: But it's not their fault, it's just the way that society has gone and this push, push, push, for you know, you've got to be out there, you've got to be famous, you've got to get numbers follow him, and it's just.
• 37:25
  Glyn Dewis: You know, in some ways I feel really sorry for the, the new generation, because that is a stupid amount.
• 37:34
  Glyn Dewis: People that they've got to contend with before they even know their craft really, before they've developed a following and stuff like that.
• 37:41
  Glyn Dewis: They've got all that to deal with as well, when really all the effort should be going into getting out there, developing a look, getting comfortable with your kit and and that kind of making loads of mistakes.
• 37:51
  Glyn Dewis: Making loads of mistakes and learning from it.
• 37:53
  Glyn Dewis: It's all right being told something, but until you do it wrong yourself, you'll keep making that mistake.
• 37:57
  Glyn Dewis: When you do it wrong, when you do it wrong yourself, you'll keep making that mistake.
• 37:59
  Glyn Dewis: When you do it wrong, when you do it wrong, wrong yourself, you won't forget that.
• 38:02
  Glyn Dewis: Do you know what I mean?
• 38:04
  Glyn Dewis: It's, um, there's nothing beats getting out there and doing it, but there's all that pressure as well They've got.
• 38:08
  Glyn Dewis: Now I kind of I gave myself too much pressure, but because it all happened very, very quickly before I even knew, before I even had a style.
• 38:14
  Glyn Dewis: That was bad enough.
• 38:15
  Glyn Dewis: But to have this pressure about, you know all these social media platforms and there's more and more happening every systems like.
• 38:24
  Glyn Dewis: Every day there's a new platform that's come in and that, oh, I've got to be on that.
• 38:27
  Glyn Dewis: Now threads and stuff.
• 38:28
  Glyn Dewis: Have you really got to be on that, or are you just duplicating what you're already saying on another platform?
• 38:34
  Matt Jacob: how do you feel, then, about being a kind of part of the problem you know I always think about when someone gets an audience big enough, there must be a crossover where it's like, well, now maybe I have some responsibility to do the right thing and talk about the right things in the right way and not get sucked into the more and like you talked about earlier quite rightly the greed of it, right, the more and more and more, but with, I think you've got roughly 300,000 followers, which is absolutely unbelievable on YouTube, me being one of them, and I'm sure most of them are very loyal and I know a lot of them are engaging, and quite rightly so.
• 39:10
  Matt Jacob: Do you ever, does that ever come into your mind?
• 39:13
  Matt Jacob: It's like, well, you know, I've, I've got to keep feeding, feeding this horse, and I'm now kind of part of this, this system.
• 39:20
  Matt Jacob: I imagine that that was part of your decision to kind of pull back.
• 39:24
  Glyn Dewis: yeah, yeah it was the free stuff.
• 39:25
  Glyn Dewis: It definitely definitely was.
• 39:26
  Glyn Dewis: Um, because and I I'd never name names, but I've got plenty of friends, colleagues across the industry who are also on youtube producing content, and it gets to the point where you can see that they're having to rehash stuff or they're putting stuff out because I've got to put a video out this week and that's happened to me several times in my career, if you like, when it comes to my YouTube side of things.
• 39:56
  Glyn Dewis: And when it got to that stage, I thought this is wrong.
• 39:58
  Glyn Dewis: I should be putting it out because, oh, look at this, I want to share this, not then getting to the Wednesday of the week and going, oh God, I've got to put a video out next week.
• 40:05
  Glyn Dewis: Oh, my God, what shall I do?
• 40:06
  Glyn Dewis: Right, let's go back on my old videos.
• 40:08
  Glyn Dewis: How can I update this?
• 40:09
  Glyn Dewis: I'll put that out.
• 40:19
  Glyn Dewis: And that's just like, well McKinnon would say You're feeding the beast, but you're feeding it the dregs.
• 40:23
  Glyn Dewis: If I feed something, I want to make sure they're getting a good diet.
• 40:25
  Glyn Dewis: I want to make sure I'm sharing something quality with them.
• 40:29
  Glyn Dewis: If I don't have anything to share, then I won't.
• 40:31
  Glyn Dewis: That's why I have pulled back on it For me to do the weekly live stuff that I do.
• 40:36
  Glyn Dewis: There's no stress's no, there's no stress.
• 40:40
  Glyn Dewis: I love doing it Like we're talking now.
• 40:42
  Glyn Dewis: What's not to love about having a conversation with somebody who was also in that creative space is it's good.
• 40:46
  Glyn Dewis: You know, we can be honest with each other and have a good chat.
• 40:48
  Glyn Dewis: So I love doing that.
• 40:50
  Glyn Dewis: Every now and again I think, ooh, I've just found out something, I'll do a video on that and I will drop in, I pre-record and I put it onto my YouTube channel.
• 40:56
  Glyn Dewis: But my priority, my priority, isn't YouTube, my priority is my newsletters, the people, like I said earlier, who have gone that extra mile and gone.
• 41:11
  Glyn Dewis: I like this guy.
• 41:12
  Glyn Dewis: I want to hear from him on a regular basis.
• 41:13
  Glyn Dewis: And you know what?
• 41:13
  Glyn Dewis: It's nice because when you share stuff with people who make that decision not just to follow on YouTube, because you'll find that when you look at your YouTube channel, the percentage of people who subscribe, as opposed to the percentage of people who watch you aren't subscribed, that's much more.
• 41:28
  Glyn Dewis: Do you know what I mean?
• 41:29
  Glyn Dewis: So people are just kind of not seeing your stuff because maybe you've been pushed up the viewing space in YouTube oh, what's that recommended?
• 41:36
  Glyn Dewis: Oh, watch that.
• 41:36
  Glyn Dewis: Whereas when people are on your newsletter, your community, if you like when they're watching your stuff, it's because they want to watch your stuff.
• 41:47
  Glyn Dewis: And YouTube, as good as it is and it is really good and I've gained and continue to gain so much from it there is always a negative to it.
• 41:53
  Glyn Dewis: I always think of YouTube as being the video version of Twitter or X, as it is now, because if you're going to get abuse, you're going to get it on Twitter or X, and if you're doing videos, you're going to get abuse, you're going to get it on YouTube, and some of it can be horrific and you have to develop a very thick skin.
• 42:09
  Glyn Dewis: So if you're somebody who's new doing this and you want to share on YouTube because you think that's the way to do it, just be prepared to be knocked back.
• 42:18
  Glyn Dewis: You know what I mean?
• 42:20
  Glyn Dewis: Because it can hurt.
• 42:22
  Glyn Dewis: It really can, and I defy anybody to say it.
• 42:25
  Glyn Dewis: Anybody who says it doesn't hurt is a liar and you'll get people saying no, don't listen to the naysayers, ignore the trolls.
• 42:33
  Glyn Dewis: Yeah, to a point.
• 42:35
  Glyn Dewis: Sometimes you have to bite and I can't help it.
• 42:37
  Glyn Dewis: That's me and I will buy it and a matter of times I've gone to reply and then delete, reply, delete and I'll leave this.
• 42:44
  Glyn Dewis: And then you say oh, you know what, hide from channel You're not going to.
• 42:47
  Glyn Dewis: I can't even bother engaging with you because I have responded in the past and I nearly made a real fool of myself doing it, um, but it's when they're right that it really hurts, you know, when they force you to look at yourself.
• 42:59
  Glyn Dewis: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and, and unmesh said exactly the same thing when I was speaking to him.
• 43:03
  Glyn Dewis: He said when you do get these comments, initially it hurts, and then you read it and you go, but they're right.
• 43:10
  Glyn Dewis: They're right that I didn't do that as good as, or I could have done it that way.
• 43:13
  Glyn Dewis: It's like oh man, now that that's.
• 43:16
  Glyn Dewis: That's like that's two sucker punches, yeah, but still hide.
• 43:19
  Glyn Dewis: Yeah, it's like, oh, but you know, there you go.
• 43:24
  Matt Jacob: Give me an example.
• 43:24
  Matt Jacob: What's the worst troll?
• 43:25
  Matt Jacob: What's the worst comment you've had?
• 43:28
  Glyn Dewis: Well, I can think of two.
• 43:29
  Glyn Dewis: Two come to my head straight away, or three in such a straight way, but one of them's not really connected with social media.
• 43:36
  Glyn Dewis: It's more to do with my previous tutorial platform.
• 43:39
  Glyn Dewis: The first there was one on one on YouTube.
• 43:43
  Glyn Dewis: I remember I didn't.
• 43:45
  Glyn Dewis: It's going back a few years now.
• 43:48
  Glyn Dewis: I'd show this technique and get comments coming through and this one comment said straight away that doesn't work and you can't help it.
• 43:53
  Glyn Dewis: You're going, you what you know.
• 43:55
  Glyn Dewis: You wake up today.
• 43:56
  Glyn Dewis: You think you what you go reply uh, does work.
• 43:59
  Glyn Dewis: You've just watched a video, it does work.
• 44:01
  Glyn Dewis: I reply yeah, I've just done it, you know I mean.
• 44:04
  Glyn Dewis: So then you get in a follow-up comment no, tried, that doesn't work.
• 44:07
  Glyn Dewis: So then I reply again no, what you need to do is and I started to get a little bit and I thought I, I was that close to giving it, you know I mean.
• 44:17
  Glyn Dewis: And then the reply back I don't know how to do that.
• 44:19
  Glyn Dewis: I'm only nine, oh, I'm thinking, oh man, thank God I didn't go for it.
• 44:26
  Glyn Dewis: Do you know what I mean?
• 44:27
  Glyn Dewis: So that was one where I thought, yeah, okay, keyboard warriors.
• 44:33
  Glyn Dewis: Yeah, you don't even know how old they are, let alone who they are.
• 44:35
  Glyn Dewis: It's like okay.
• 44:36
  Glyn Dewis: So there was that one.
• 44:37
  Glyn Dewis: And then the other one was to do with my blog and I explained this to somebody the other day.
• 44:42
  Glyn Dewis: It's a funny story actually, but I did a picture of a friend of mine when he used to own this farm and I did a picture in his workshop at the end of the evening and the sun was coming down and I put a light outside with a CTO gel on it, so it made it look like a nice sunset coming in, as he's in his workshop there working around some tools, and I really loved it.
• 45:01
  Glyn Dewis: I posted it online and I remember the next morning waking up and there was a comment on my blog from this one person and I'll kind of paraphrase it, but basically saying you effing waste.
• 45:11
  Glyn Dewis: That's the exact copy of X photographer who I'd never heard of.
• 45:15
  Glyn Dewis: How dare you You're a waster Just really going for it.
• 45:19
  Glyn Dewis: I was like oh God and really went for it.
• 45:21
  Glyn Dewis: Now, before that happened, I'd met up with Scott Kelby and we were having dinner one day and I was chatting to him and we were talking about negatives and comments and stuff like that.
• 45:29
  Glyn Dewis: And he said you know what One of the best things you can change their comment.
• 45:38
  Glyn Dewis: So I thought, yeah, all right.
• 45:39
  Glyn Dewis: So then what happened was that person's comment comes in really going for it, having a real dig at me.
• 45:44
  Glyn Dewis: So I change it and I type in hey, glenn, love that new picture you've posted.
• 45:49
  Glyn Dewis: It looks just like such and such photographer.
• 45:52
  Glyn Dewis: That's really cool.
• 45:53
  Glyn Dewis: Would love to know your process a bit more.
• 45:55
  Glyn Dewis: They see that and they reply again Loads more expletives.
• 46:00
  Glyn Dewis: You come to America over here when I know you're there, I'll cap your ass.
• 46:03
  Glyn Dewis: No, I'm really going for it.
• 46:05
  Glyn Dewis: I mean proper, like whoa, you're unhinged.
• 46:07
  Glyn Dewis: So I changed that comment and I put hey, I forgot to say if ever you're in America, I'd love to show you around my area.
• 46:13
  Glyn Dewis: Never heard from them again.
• 46:15
  Glyn Dewis: Do you know what I mean?
• 46:16
  Glyn Dewis: So it kind of goes on.
• 46:19
  Glyn Dewis: The worst one I ever had was to do with one of my tutorials.
• 46:22
  Glyn Dewis: It was on the old platform that I had when I first started selling tutorials and it could be quite temperamental.
• 46:30
  Glyn Dewis: Sometimes people would purchase something and they wouldn't immediately get the automated reply with the link to download the tutorial.
• 46:36
  Glyn Dewis: And this one guy dear me he must have been having a bad day, but he proper went for it, really went.
• 46:44
  Glyn Dewis: Where's my effing tutorial?
• 46:45
  Glyn Dewis: You effing, really.
• 46:47
  Glyn Dewis: That's the first email I got and I was going whoa, whoa, whoa.
• 46:50
  Glyn Dewis: Hold on a second.
• 46:51
  Glyn Dewis: Let me know, when did you order?
• 46:52
  Glyn Dewis: What's your order?
• 46:53
  Glyn Dewis: I'm not effing giving you, really, really going for it.
• 46:56
  Glyn Dewis: I said tell me what you want and I'll sort it out for you.
• 47:00
  Glyn Dewis: I'm going to go on the internet, I'm going to slate you off, I'm going to get your following ruined, all this kind of stuff.
• 47:05
  Glyn Dewis: I thought, right, that's it.
• 47:07
  Glyn Dewis: I became Liam Neeson in Taken.
• 47:09
  Glyn Dewis: I found exactly who he was.
• 47:11
  Glyn Dewis: I found his house on Google Maps.
• 47:13
  Glyn Dewis: I found his front door.
• 47:15
  Glyn Dewis: I found his phone number and I rang him.
• 47:21
  Glyn Dewis: Nice, I rang him and he was in America and ring ring and I recorded it and I actually played it on one of my videos.
• 47:25
  Glyn Dewis: So this ring, ring, ring, ring, the guy answering goes hello.
• 47:29
  Glyn Dewis: I went, say call him John Smith.
• 47:32
  Glyn Dewis: John, is that you?
• 47:34
  Glyn Dewis: Yeah, I said, hey, john, how you doing?
• 47:37
  Glyn Dewis: Glyn Dewis from the UK, the uk silence.
• 47:40
  Glyn Dewis: And he went.
• 47:40
  Glyn Dewis: What are you calling me for?
• 47:43
  Glyn Dewis: phone down, that was it really so I sent him his money back, full reimbursement.
• 47:49
  Glyn Dewis: But I was like, wow, you, yeah.
• 47:51
  Glyn Dewis: But you could just see how the timing, oh mate, how he was totally shocked by.
• 47:58
  Glyn Dewis: He reminded me of this thing I saw on social once where there was this this guy in this film crew went out into the streets in one of these cities in in the uk and they had this fake uh display board with a footballer on it.
• 48:11
  Glyn Dewis: Can't remember who the footballer was and the football is there and it was in that hometown.
• 48:16
  Glyn Dewis: It was that hometown's football club, right.
• 48:19
  Glyn Dewis: So he was pulling people over men, mainly men bringing them over and saying, here, this footballer, here, what do you think of him?
• 48:25
  Glyn Dewis: Oh, what a waste of money.
• 48:26
  Glyn Dewis: What would you say to his face?
• 48:27
  Glyn Dewis: If you saw him?
• 48:28
  Glyn Dewis: I'd tell him he's rubbish, he shouldn't be being paid blah, blah.
• 48:30
  Glyn Dewis: And then the footballer walks around from the your autograph.
• 48:42
  Glyn Dewis: It's like do you know what I mean?
• 48:43
  Glyn Dewis: So that was like my version of that.
• 48:46
  Glyn Dewis: The guy was like I don't know what to say.
• 48:48
  Glyn Dewis: What are you calling me?
• 48:49
  Glyn Dewis: Phone down?
• 48:51
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• 50:23
  Matt Jacob: Promise I'll let you get back to it.
• 50:26
  Matt Jacob: I think that's why I was very interested in an earlier question where how you balance the on, you know, immersing yourself in the online world and then kind of trying to keep yourself grounded and balanced, which sounds like you do perfectly.
• 50:38
  Matt Jacob: But you know, it's not the real world, Like all of these trolls, they're just, they're just keyboard.
• 50:44
  Matt Jacob: It's like walking along.
• 50:45
  Matt Jacob: I had this analogy with uh, with, with, with another guest the other day in real life, walking along the street and you see, you know a bum on the side of the street in a bin covered in shit, and he pops open the bin and goes.
• 50:57
  Matt Jacob: I fucking hate you, you twat.
• 50:59
  Matt Jacob: What are you going to do?
• 51:00
  Matt Jacob: In real life, it's like well, I'm not going to give you my time.
• 51:03
  Matt Jacob: Look at you.
• 51:03
  Matt Jacob: You know you're just a waste of space.
• 51:05
  Matt Jacob: Walk on, move on, and very, very easy.
• 51:09
  Matt Jacob: Probably easier to do in real life, in kind of the real world, than it is to do online, because they're, you know, it's black and white, it's there.
• 51:15
  Matt Jacob: It's like, oh no.
• 51:18
  Glyn Dewis: Have you ever seen that Ricky Gervais sketch where he's talking about social media and he says that it's like having some kind of advert in your local town?
• 51:27
  Glyn Dewis: You see it and it's advertising guitar lessons with a number and you get on the phone and it's like are you doing guitar lessons?
• 51:33
  Glyn Dewis: Yeah, I don't want fucking guitar lessons, it's like guitar lessons.
• 51:39
  Matt Jacob: It's like oh yeah, that's.
• 51:41
  Matt Jacob: That's a perfect analogy.
• 51:43
  Glyn Dewis: Yeah.
• 51:43
  Glyn Dewis: Yeah, I don't know when we're going to get out of this and just coming back to you know, when we're talking about social media, we forget that this should be about photography, not about certainly photographers with social media Totally, and I think I think really they'd never admit it, but I think for the majority of the cases of the people that do give it some of that, do you know what I mean?
• 52:03
  Glyn Dewis: I think jealousy, I think it's jealousy, but let me just say and you're, I'm sure, everybody I know that is out there putting the miles in and doing the work is has been given to us.
• 52:15
  Glyn Dewis: Nothing has been.
• 52:16
  Glyn Dewis: And you know and I've got a tiny, tiny share of what some people have got a massive, massive but nothing's been given to us.
• 52:23
  Glyn Dewis: I get out, I am out there all the time to do stuff you know and what I'm able to able to do.
• 52:28
  Glyn Dewis: I wasn't born able to do it.
• 52:30
  Glyn Dewis: I had to learn how to do it.
• 52:31
  Glyn Dewis: You know when's a lot of stuff that went on beforehand to get to that particular point and you know what as well.
• 52:41
  Glyn Dewis: One thing I have learned, because I've told you already, I've made some incredible friends, and this will be a controversial comment.
• 52:48
  Glyn Dewis: I know it will be, but I used to do this all the time.
• 52:51
  Glyn Dewis: Any nasty comment that I've had has never come from somebody who has got.
• 52:57
  Glyn Dewis: A really good that I've had has never come from somebody who has got a really good, a solid base, good good kind of um business, great kind of style and what have you.
• 53:05
  Glyn Dewis: Every time I used to get a bad comment.
• 53:08
  Glyn Dewis: I'd make a point of doing a bit of research about them and finding their portfolio, and, dare I say, not one of their portfolios was worth anything and that's controversial to say that, but I always found it was the people who had nothing to shout about would shout the loudest, and I think the intention was and really I think it was because they were jealous.
• 53:31
  Glyn Dewis: They won't admit it and a lot of people will disagree with me, but I've had a lot thrown at me and that's a common denominator that I've found.
• 53:42
  Matt Jacob: Yeah, I have to agree with you and even if I was to point the finger at myself, I've never trolled, never, never commented hateful things.
• 53:52
  Matt Jacob: But I have sometimes looked at people on.
• 53:55
  Matt Jacob: You know, I mean this is back in the day when I didn't know anything right, it was just ignorance.
• 53:58
  Matt Jacob: You know, subconsciously it's probably.
• 54:02
  Matt Jacob: Well, why have you got something and I haven't?
• 54:04
  Matt Jacob: Or why have you got this and I haven't?
• 54:06
  Matt Jacob: And I'm sure a lot of it comes, comes through from that, and I do the same.
• 54:10
  Matt Jacob: If I get a really bad comment, I'll dig a little bit and go okay, who is this person?
• 54:17
  Matt Jacob: Why do they feel like they can talk to me like this Nine times out of 10, they're worth nothing, or they've got nothing, or they don't have anything to back up.
• 54:27
  Matt Jacob: Their claim is basically what I'm trying to say.
• 54:30
  Glyn Dewis: Yeah, I know exactly what you mean.
• 54:31
  Glyn Dewis: I know exactly what you mean and maybe that sounds to some people listening now or watching that that'll sound a little bit arrogant, but believe me, it isn't.
• 54:38
  Glyn Dewis: It really isn't.
• 54:40
  Glyn Dewis: When you say that, there, matt, I can totally, totally relate to it.
• 54:44
  Glyn Dewis: When you look at some people's work, you think, hold on a second.
• 54:46
  Glyn Dewis: Why did you feel it was okay to even say that in the first place?
• 54:51
  Glyn Dewis: Because now you've got my backup and I've got a really good memory and if I ever meet you and you want some help, I probably will help you.
• 55:00
  Glyn Dewis: But you'd have to really squeeze it out of me to help you or to give you the best I possibly could If you'd have just said well, if you've got some, we're all human, you know, none of us are infallible.
• 55:11
  Glyn Dewis: If we see something online, we might occasionally go well, that's bloody rubbish, that is.
• 55:16
  Glyn Dewis: You know what I mean?
• 55:17
  Glyn Dewis: Not, there's, no, nobody's a saint.
• 55:18
  Glyn Dewis: You might look at it and go, oh, don't like that.
• 55:20
  Glyn Dewis: And you, we don't bother saying it, nothing nice to say, guitar lessons.
• 55:23
  Glyn Dewis: Yeah, exactly, because sometimes you'll get comments and you think, all right, okay.
• 55:35
  Glyn Dewis: So now that you've said that, what do you expect to happen.
• 55:39
  Glyn Dewis: What do you want me to do?
• 55:39
  Glyn Dewis: Well, I just thought I'd tell you.
• 55:42
  Glyn Dewis: Did you need to?
• 55:43
  Glyn Dewis: Did you really need to waste your time telling me that, because I'm just going to go delete and you're not going to get that time back?
• 55:50
  Glyn Dewis: You didn't need to do that.
• 55:51
  Matt Jacob: Did it help anyone?
• 55:52
  Matt Jacob: Did it help you Exactly?
• 55:53
  Glyn Dewis: Yeah, what have you gained from that?
• 55:55
  Glyn Dewis: Have you learned anything from it?
• 55:56
  Glyn Dewis: Do you feel better?
• 55:57
  Glyn Dewis: Do you feel better for that?
• 55:59
  Glyn Dewis: Do you know what I?
• 56:00
  Matt Jacob: mean Also go and do something better.
• 56:02
  Matt Jacob: The world is a wonderful place, and let's just say this is the minority.
• 56:09
  Glyn Dewis: Oh, of course it's absolutely the minority, but unfortunately Not on Twitter.
• 56:13
  Glyn Dewis: But yeah, you know, no news is good news.
• 56:16
  Glyn Dewis: You remember you could have a thousand.
• 56:18
  Glyn Dewis: I keep in my email.
• 56:23
  Glyn Dewis: I've got one folder called thank yous and every time somebody emails me to say thank you or I really enjoy that I drag it in there Because you know you can get a thousand thank yous you get one comment that can get to you a little bit.
• 56:36
  Glyn Dewis: Take a pause.
• 56:38
  Glyn Dewis: Let's dive into the thank you folder, scroll through random, pick one, bang.
• 56:43
  Glyn Dewis: I feel better now.
• 56:44
  Glyn Dewis: That's all right.
• 56:45
  Glyn Dewis: No, that's the reality.
• 56:46
  Glyn Dewis: That guy's an idiot.
• 56:47
  Glyn Dewis: That's the reality.
• 56:48
  Glyn Dewis: So you have to remind yourself of that.
• 56:51
  Glyn Dewis: But yeah, those are the.
• 56:52
  Glyn Dewis: The occasional ones can get to you.
• 56:54
  Glyn Dewis: But you know it's life, that's.
• 56:58
  Glyn Dewis: That's anti-social media for you.
• 57:03
  Matt Jacob: Let's, let's move, let's move on a little bit.
• 57:05
  Matt Jacob: There's a couple of things I want to I want to talk about.
• 57:08
  Matt Jacob: Well, we'll stay on YouTube a little bit because we're going to kind of jump between YouTube and editing and stuff.
• 57:15
  Matt Jacob: Give me a couple of in your time being on YouTube and growing, the way you've grown and seeing obviously the software change over so many years and how you've maybe changed your perceptions and stuff.
• 57:30
  Matt Jacob: Software change and over so many years and how you've maybe changed your perceptions and stuff.
• 57:34
  Matt Jacob: Give us, give us two or three tips on kind of YouTube growth, youtube um authenticity, how to kind of, you know, put yourself out there on YouTube and how to do it well and not so well, things that I've looked what do you mean?
• 57:44
  Glyn Dewis: Things that I found that work and don't work on YouTube, that can help, okay.
• 57:49
  Glyn Dewis: So things that have helped me, um, keeping content regular, that's gotta be a thing.
• 57:55
  Glyn Dewis: You know you don't want to be somebody who posts once every six weeks because then that'll just there's.
• 58:00
  Glyn Dewis: There's absolutely no point.
• 58:01
  Glyn Dewis: You would go out and you'd be like that again.
• 58:02
  Glyn Dewis: You're constantly having to start pushing that ball and then eventually you've got to start pushing it again.
• 58:07
  Glyn Dewis: You know what I mean.
• 58:07
  Glyn Dewis: So regularity is one thing.
• 58:11
  Glyn Dewis: You've got to start pushing it again.
• 58:13
  Glyn Dewis: You know what I mean.
• 58:14
  Glyn Dewis: So regularity is one thing.
• 58:16
  Glyn Dewis: Don't stick to the same day every week, because if you do that, that's going to feel like a chore Eventually, when you're having to really think about content to produce, because when you first start out your mind's flooded with ideas.
• 58:26
  Glyn Dewis: Eventually that's going to start to empty and you're going to have to really start to think about hard and end right, what content can I put together?
• 58:33
  Glyn Dewis: If you've put the pressure of a certain day every single way to do content, that's when you're going to start putting out stuff.
• 58:41
  Glyn Dewis: I mean just stuff, because you've got to put something out.
• 58:44
  Glyn Dewis: Put it out every week, but don't stick to one particular day.
• 58:48
  Glyn Dewis: Don't put music in the video unnecessarily unless it does contribute to the video, and what I mean by that is like having a really long, like a 30-second intro to your videos every time, with music going on and things flashing around.
• 59:09
  Glyn Dewis: Don't bother doing it.
• 59:10
  Glyn Dewis: Don't bother doing it If you don't have to have music in the background that you're talking over.
• 59:14
  Glyn Dewis: Don't?
• 59:15
  Glyn Dewis: Do you know what I mean?
• 59:17
  Glyn Dewis: It can be annoying.
• 59:18
  Glyn Dewis: Um, I mean I start video.
• 59:21
  Glyn Dewis: If I do a prerecorded video now, what you'll notice is that literally my four second with my GED comes up and that's it.
• 59:29
  Glyn Dewis: I'm straight into the video, because time is precious, and you find that when you look at the analytics on how people are absorbing your content, the mobile viewing world has got a lot more.
• 59:42
  Glyn Dewis: Do you know what I mean?
• 59:42
  Glyn Dewis: Whereas before it was always desktop, now how people are consuming it a lot is mobile.
• 59:48
  Glyn Dewis: So they could be stood at a bus stop, they could be in a cafe shop and what have you.
• 59:51
  Glyn Dewis: So it needs to be punchy straight out there.
• 59:57
  Glyn Dewis: Another thing to do is always make sure that you have captions and don't leave it to the automatically generated ones.
• 1:00:01
  Glyn Dewis: Nowadays there's no excuse, because Premiere Pro is fantastic at creating captions.
• 1:00:06
  Glyn Dewis: And also, if you don't know how to do it, shove it into Adobe Express, because you can literally drag and drop a video into Adobe Express and it will create captions for you and then how they look as well, all different ways that they can look.
• 1:00:19
  Glyn Dewis: If you want them to appear word by word, or maybe a block of colour appearing behind the words, it can look amazing.
• 1:00:24
  Glyn Dewis: You don't need the technical skills to be able to do it now.
• 1:00:27
  Glyn Dewis: So I would say always do it, because people are going to be watching it in places where they haven't got the headphones, but they're in an environment where there are other people.
• 1:00:35
  Glyn Dewis: Now, if you want them to watch it, if they're watching it and they can read it, they will watch it.
• 1:00:39
  Glyn Dewis: You're also missing out on another part of the community, which is people hard of hearing.
• 1:00:46
  Glyn Dewis: Make sure that you know.
• 1:00:48
  Glyn Dewis: Don't leave those people out.
• 1:00:50
  Glyn Dewis: You know they want to learn content, like everybody else, so it's important to have closed captions.
• 1:00:57
  Matt Jacob: Interesting.
• 1:00:57
  Matt Jacob: There are a couple of tips there I haven't been told before.
• 1:01:00
  Matt Jacob: That's good, and you know.
• 1:01:02
  Matt Jacob: When it comes to YouTube, I mean I'm speaking from personal experience now you know I've watched probably I don't know 50 of your videos, most of which are Lightroom, photoshop, really cool techniques, and I love the way you stay up to date with new software updates and new little things that come out that you know I can't stay up to date with them, so every three months there's a software update.
• 1:01:22
  Matt Jacob: It's like, oh God, what do I need to do now?
• 1:01:24
  Matt Jacob: But so I kind of know you more as a retoucher and you know post-processor, even though I'm going to get into your photography a minute, cause your photography is just as amazing, thank you.
• 1:01:34
  Matt Jacob: But I want I want to hear about your, your thoughts and philosophies surrounding editing, and we talked a little bit about kind of trolling and hate comments.
• 1:01:43
  Matt Jacob: I'm sure you've got some where it's like, well, editing's cheating and you know just, you know, just tell me about that line.
• 1:01:52
  Matt Jacob: You know how far do you go with editing and how do you know when, when it's too much, if that makes sense.
• 1:01:59
  Glyn Dewis: Yeah, yeah, god, that that questionnaire how much is too much?
• 1:02:02
  Glyn Dewis: Now, that's.
• 1:02:02
  Glyn Dewis: That can only be.
• 1:02:03
  Glyn Dewis: You can only answer that when you've done a lot of retouching.
• 1:02:06
  Glyn Dewis: And it's one of those things that you eventually wake up to and you go, oh, that looks a bit, but I've overcooked that a little bit there.
• 1:02:13
  Glyn Dewis: And the prime example is when hdr became a thing, wasn't it?
• 1:02:16
  Glyn Dewis: And everyone was really pushing that stuff.
• 1:02:17
  Glyn Dewis: But, um, retouching, is it cheating?
• 1:02:21
  Glyn Dewis: No, and who?
• 1:02:22
  Glyn Dewis: Who is it cheating?
• 1:02:23
  Glyn Dewis: Who?
• 1:02:25
  Glyn Dewis: Who's the person being cheated?
• 1:02:27
  Glyn Dewis: If I was saying, if I was touting myself as an I am an in-camera only photographer, then yeah, then I'm lying to you, but I don't.
• 1:02:35
  Glyn Dewis: I am a photographer, and part of the creative process as a photographer is to finish the image, to produce it as I want it to be produced and to tell I hate the phrase to tell a story.
• 1:02:45
  Glyn Dewis: It's not telling a story, it's a mood and atmosphere that I want the picture to portray you, be it dark and moody, or bright and cheery, or whatever.
• 1:02:53
  Glyn Dewis: So that is part of the process and, without going down a rabbit hole, that has always been done Pre-digital.
• 1:03:01
  Glyn Dewis: It was always done.
• 1:03:03
  Glyn Dewis: So I'm not cheating, I'm not lying to anybody.
• 1:03:06
  Glyn Dewis: I've never had a client when I would work for clients.
• 1:03:12
  Glyn Dewis: I've never had them go.
• 1:03:13
  Glyn Dewis: Well, hold on a second.
• 1:03:14
  Glyn Dewis: I love what you're doing, but did you use Photoshop on these at all?
• 1:03:17
  Glyn Dewis: Have you edited these?
• 1:03:18
  Glyn Dewis: Are these out of camera?
• 1:03:19
  Glyn Dewis: You go well, no, well, I'm afraid you know we only wanted out of camera.
• 1:03:23
  Glyn Dewis: That's never happened.
• 1:03:25
  Glyn Dewis: That is exactly what we want.
• 1:03:27
  Glyn Dewis: So why and why, when I you know I am, I'm a creative person, I just love it.
• 1:03:34
  Glyn Dewis: I'm left-handed, is there?
• 1:03:35
  Glyn Dewis: Is there a connection?
• 1:03:36
  Glyn Dewis: Now, I don't know, but I'm, I'm, I am a creative person and I'm not going to limit this creativity just by the camera I use.
• 1:03:44
  Glyn Dewis: My creativity can only come out when I combine my camera with my editing software.
• 1:03:52
  Glyn Dewis: Now, there is also a line that you need to draw and that depends on what it is that you're photographing.
• 1:03:56
  Glyn Dewis: Now, my thing is obviously portraits mainly, and I always remember the best, best bit of advice.
• 1:04:02
  Glyn Dewis: Again, this guy has been such a mentor and a help to me.
• 1:04:05
  Glyn Dewis: He really, really has.
• 1:04:06
  Glyn Dewis: Best bit of advice I ever got with regards to retouching portraits was from Scott Kelby and he always said to retouch the portrait to how that person looked like when you looked at them through the viewfinder.
• 1:04:18
  Glyn Dewis: Obviously it was pre-mirrorless.
• 1:04:19
  Glyn Dewis: So when you looked at them through the viewfinder.
• 1:04:21
  Glyn Dewis: So when you do that, if I'm taking your picture now you know I can't see, I don't think you have.
• 1:04:27
  Glyn Dewis: But let's say, if you had like a little blemish or something here, and it wasn't a temporary one, it was one that you've always just born with just here.
• 1:04:33
  Glyn Dewis: Now when I'm taking your picture, I might not notice that or it might be a spot, let's say a little a kooky spot.
• 1:04:39
  Glyn Dewis: I'm taking your picture.
• 1:04:40
  Glyn Dewis: I might not notice that when I'm taking that, because I'm thinking about so many other things your position, the lighting, so on and so forth.
• 1:04:45
  Glyn Dewis: Now when I get that picture into the computer, or let's say it's a birthmark when it's into the computer, scott always said retouch that picture to how they looked through the viewfinder.
• 1:04:56
  Glyn Dewis: So if there is a spot did you see that?
• 1:05:00
  Glyn Dewis: Remove it.
• 1:05:01
  Glyn Dewis: Unless it is something that they are very identifiable by, like a birthmark, don't go ahead and remove it, because I did make that mistake very early on in my career.
• 1:05:09
  Glyn Dewis: And if a, don't go ahead and remove it, cause I did make that mistake very early on in my career and oh God, if the floor could have opened up and swallowed me.
• 1:05:14
  Glyn Dewis: I wish it would have done it.
• 1:05:15
  Glyn Dewis: Was, you know, this woman saying why have you removed that off my I'm not well, do you think?
• 1:05:20
  Glyn Dewis: Do you think that makes me look ugly?
• 1:05:22
  Glyn Dewis: Is that why you did it?
• 1:05:22
  Glyn Dewis: I was like, oh man, mistake I made, never to be made again, do you know?
• 1:05:34
  Glyn Dewis: I mean so, um, yeah, retouch that, unless it's a project that you're working on.
• 1:05:35
  Glyn Dewis: Like I'm gonna be working on a vikings project soon.
• 1:05:36
  Glyn Dewis: I'm gonna go to Denmark and the Netherlands and stuff like that.
• 1:05:38
  Glyn Dewis: I'll be, I'll be really pushing those portraits.
• 1:05:41
  Glyn Dewis: They won't be looking like they did through the viewfinder.
• 1:05:43
  Glyn Dewis: So you know, it's, it's, depends, depend.
• 1:05:47
  Glyn Dewis: The retouching is very is dictated by what the end purpose is for, I guess absolutely.
• 1:05:52
  Matt Jacob: It's the artistic intent, isn't it?
• 1:05:53
  Matt Jacob: And you know I I always buy.
• 1:05:56
  Matt Jacob: I think I've said my piece on this enough.
• 1:05:58
  Matt Jacob: Now to the people that have commented I've done a few light room, not tutorials, but like this is how I edit a photo.
• 1:06:05
  Matt Jacob: This is all I know, but this is how I edit a photo.
• 1:06:07
  Matt Jacob: And then you get comments like, oh, there's too much editing.
• 1:06:10
  Matt Jacob: Yeah, but great, hang on a minute.
• 1:06:14
  Matt Jacob: Photography is editing.
• 1:06:17
  Matt Jacob: You're editing 90% of your view out of it.
• 1:06:20
  Matt Jacob: Whether you're shooting with a film camera, even going back to the old analog days, you're not only editing in reality, by putting what you want in this frame, you're then obviously editing the way you want to develop it and then obviously fast forward to digital world.
• 1:06:36
  Matt Jacob: You've got a bunch of AI and software in a digital camera, so don't give me the shit.
• 1:06:41
  Matt Jacob: That's like well, I'll just take it straight out of camera.
• 1:06:43
  Matt Jacob: It's like well, you've got a computer working for you in the camera.
• 1:06:46
  Matt Jacob: I mean, what are you doing?
• 1:06:48
  Matt Jacob: It's just an untenable argument.
• 1:06:50
  Matt Jacob: I mean, what are you?
• 1:06:50
  Glyn Dewis: doing.
• 1:06:51
  Glyn Dewis: It's just an untenable argument.
• 1:06:51
  Glyn Dewis: It is.
• 1:06:52
  Glyn Dewis: And also you get people saying, oh, you've done too much of that, that's too much there.
• 1:06:55
  Glyn Dewis: I think that's too strong.
• 1:06:58
  Glyn Dewis: Why bother saying that?
• 1:06:59
  Glyn Dewis: Do you know what I mean?
• 1:06:59
  Glyn Dewis: Because do they want everybody's images to look the same?
• 1:07:05
  Glyn Dewis: It's good that some people push it in a certain way because it separates them and they're not like yours.
• 1:07:12
  Glyn Dewis: Nobody wants everyone to be the same, so we've all got our own thing.
• 1:07:22
  Glyn Dewis: And, yeah, there are times when, maybe early on that you push it a bit too much.
• 1:07:24
  Glyn Dewis: But the way you learn for not pushing it too much is not from comments on social media, but it's from building a relationship with somebody that you admire in the industry another photographer or whoever that can be honest with you and tell you you might want to just back that off.
• 1:07:43
  Glyn Dewis: And they don't just say it.
• 1:07:45
  Glyn Dewis: You have to ask them to say can you just have a look at this for me?
• 1:07:50
  Glyn Dewis: What do you think about that?
• 1:07:51
  Glyn Dewis: I've had many people do that for me in the past and it's been invaluable.
• 1:07:55
  Glyn Dewis: And you know people like you know the Zacharys's who sat with me and went through stuff and said, right, you need to just maybe think of doing this.
• 1:08:01
  Glyn Dewis: This was early on and it's invaluable.
• 1:08:03
  Glyn Dewis: But they didn't just say it, they I had to ask them to help.
• 1:08:08
  Glyn Dewis: Do you know what I mean?
• 1:08:09
  Glyn Dewis: It's like the.
• 1:08:11
  Glyn Dewis: I liken a lot of the creative world to my, my bodybuilding world from when I used to compete in bodybuilding and I'm still training now and I love it.
• 1:08:19
  Glyn Dewis: But I was, you know, when it comes to the bodybuilding.
• 1:08:23
  Glyn Dewis: The one of the one of my mentors was a guy called Sean O'Reilly and he is married to a lady called Helen who was Panther in the original Gladiator series, and they were very, very good friends of mine, very, very good.
• 1:08:34
  Glyn Dewis: I mean, they became like parents in a way.
• 1:08:36
  Glyn Dewis: They're when they're preparing me for shows and meals, everything.
• 1:08:39
  Glyn Dewis: But I remember one thing that Sean said.
• 1:08:41
  Glyn Dewis: He said a good, a true friend, will never let you go on stage until you're ready, until you are 100% ready, whereas you, you speak to your mates, your family, they'll tell you you look like Arnold Schwarzenegger, you're going to win this.
• 1:08:55
  Glyn Dewis: Do you know what I mean?
• 1:08:56
  Glyn Dewis: And it kind of gives you a full sense of security, whereas a true friend will say you might want to miss this one out.
• 1:09:03
  Glyn Dewis: I think you need another few more weeks to get the condition right, or maybe we should just take a year out.
• 1:09:07
  Glyn Dewis: Let's work on the calves a bit more to get it more in balance.
• 1:09:09
  Glyn Dewis: And that's like with the photography side of it.
• 1:09:12
  Glyn Dewis: You know what I mean.
• 1:09:13
  Glyn Dewis: A true friend will tell you exactly what you want to hear, but not in a way to knock you down, but in a way to build you up.
• 1:09:23
  Glyn Dewis: I remember doing a photo critique.
• 1:09:26
  Glyn Dewis: I was asked to be one of the people doing this photo critique session where people would come in and sit with you for 15 minutes, show you their portfolios and what have you.
• 1:09:34
  Glyn Dewis: And while I'm doing it, there's a guy called Alan Hess, who's a good friend of mine, concert photographer based in San Diego, and he's speaking to somebody there.
• 1:09:41
  Glyn Dewis: And this guy sat in front of me with his portfolio.
• 1:09:43
  Glyn Dewis: And you kind of do that because you know if you're on the receiving end it can be quite damning, can't it?
• 1:09:48
  Glyn Dewis: But you do that sandwich effect Good, bad, good.
• 1:09:51
  Glyn Dewis: You know what I mean.
• 1:09:52
  Glyn Dewis: Tell them something good, give them a little bit of advice, finish with something good so they have a good taste in their mouth by the end of it.
• 1:09:56
  Glyn Dewis: So this guy's pictures I was saying I really like they were landscapes, and I said, oh really, and the other.
• 1:10:10
  Glyn Dewis: And every time I made a suggestion in the good, bad, good bit, it'd go no, I like that, right, okay.
• 1:10:17
  Glyn Dewis: So we go to the next pitch, I'll do the same kind of thing.
• 1:10:18
  Glyn Dewis: Yeah, but I like it like that, right, okay.
• 1:10:21
  Glyn Dewis: And I never said it.
• 1:10:23
  Glyn Dewis: But in your head you're thinking why have you sat with me for this?
• 1:10:33
  Glyn Dewis: You know, I, I, maybe I could, maybe I could help, you know, because I kind of I see a lot of stuff and I kind of know that maybe that would help if you just did that a little bit differently.
• 1:10:38
  Glyn Dewis: But it was almost like he was like no, I want you to see me, to see how good I am.
• 1:10:42
  Glyn Dewis: It's like okay, whereas I've always been, I've always been a sponge.
• 1:10:48
  Glyn Dewis: I really have always been a sponge yeah.
• 1:10:51
  Matt Jacob: Well, I think that's probably what makes you so great and I think, in my experience and seeing what makes really the people great photographers or great artists, it actually could be in anything right, especially in the creative world and what the difference is between those people and the people who are stuck and can't really progress and, you know, don't really, don't really move forward in in those types of things, is humility.
• 1:11:17
  Matt Jacob: It's exactly what you're talking about the ability to take constructive criticism.
• 1:11:22
  Matt Jacob: Obviously, if someone comes go, yeah, that's shit, that's shit, shit, do it again a bit different.
• 1:11:27
  Matt Jacob: But for someone who's been there, done it, um, you know that the the ability to absorb constructive criticism, be willing to learn from it, is such a key virtue to have in order to be a good artist.
• 1:11:40
  Glyn Dewis: I totally believe in that the person giving that advice is doing the the right intentions with, with your.
• 1:11:48
  Glyn Dewis: Your progress is being their priority.
• 1:11:50
  Glyn Dewis: I remember very, very early on when I started out on the photography side of it.
• 1:11:55
  Glyn Dewis: I went to a show in Birmingham in the UK and it was the I forget what it's called, focus.
• 1:12:02
  Glyn Dewis: I think it was called back then Focus on Imaging and it was before it became the photography show.
• 1:12:07
  Glyn Dewis: And I remember walking around a newbie, completely kind of new to all this kind of stuff, and there was a stand there and it was a raw photographic stand, raw photographic society stand, elevated stand.
• 1:12:16
  Glyn Dewis: I remember walking around there was all these images that were almost like being exhibited and I saw this two guys.
• 1:12:22
  Glyn Dewis: There was this one guy who's who was clearly having a portfolio review on that stand but people could walk around him while he was having this review and as I got near him I remember that I just never forget it the guy who was giving him the review had his book and he's saying to him well, I just don't get it.
• 1:12:40
  Glyn Dewis: What, what are you trying to tell me here?
• 1:12:42
  Glyn Dewis: What?
• 1:12:42
  Glyn Dewis: What is this all about?
• 1:12:43
  Glyn Dewis: I mean, what's what?
• 1:12:45
  Glyn Dewis: What is that?
• 1:12:46
  Glyn Dewis: It's like jesus.
• 1:12:48
  Glyn Dewis: I mean that there was.
• 1:12:51
  Glyn Dewis: I was very surprised if that guy continued to be a photographer after that.
• 1:12:54
  Glyn Dewis: He completely kicked the life out of him.
• 1:12:57
  Glyn Dewis: There was no good, bad, good.
• 1:12:58
  Glyn Dewis: It was bad, bad, bad.
• 1:12:59
  Glyn Dewis: You know what I mean?
• 1:13:00
  Glyn Dewis: It's like blimey now that's brutal.
• 1:13:02
  Glyn Dewis: So maybe in the back of my mind when I was doing, when I do stuff as well, seeing stuff like that has influenced how I am or have.
• 1:13:09
  Glyn Dewis: Seeing stuff like that has influenced how I am or have became when I was speaking to people, I thought that there's no way I'd ever want anybody to feel like that if they were speaking to me.
• 1:13:16
  Matt Jacob: Geez awful do you find there's also.
• 1:13:20
  Matt Jacob: It's also quite difficult.
• 1:13:21
  Matt Jacob: I think about this all the time because some people say to me you know, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, art is subjective.
• 1:13:28
  Matt Jacob: And then you know, my kind of more rational side goes well, there's still the difference between good and bad.
• 1:13:33
  Matt Jacob: As a, as an educator and someone who does these types of reviews and has student stuff, do you find that's quite a difficult line as well, like, okay, this is just someone's style, maybe compared to where this is technically not so great yeah, it's um, that it's a difficult one, that I can give an example of that.
• 1:13:53
  Glyn Dewis: In a way, I've got a friend of mine I won't name him, but he's got a.
• 1:13:56
  Glyn Dewis: He has got a very specific style in a certain genre of photography and it's all, and it's based around compositing.
• 1:14:04
  Glyn Dewis: He does hours upon hours of work on these composites.
• 1:14:07
  Glyn Dewis: Now, if anybody who was in you, in you, know people I know who do a lot of compositing work, if they looked at it they might go, oh, shadows are well off.
• 1:14:15
  Glyn Dewis: I mean, they don't look real at all.
• 1:14:16
  Glyn Dewis: It looks like they're floating and he's clearly just put a bit of black brush mark underneath their feet and the perspective's wrong and stuff like that.
• 1:14:23
  Glyn Dewis: Now, if you looked at it, you'd go, oh, but this person's been doing this for a long while and I know that that particular look is their style.
• 1:14:33
  Glyn Dewis: They are more than capable of doing it so that it is more realistic, but that's not the look they're going for.
• 1:14:40
  Glyn Dewis: Now.
• 1:14:42
  Glyn Dewis: That's him, whereas there are other people that are doing sort of stuff and they kind of live in this.
• 1:14:50
  Glyn Dewis: Again, going back to the bodybuilding thing, they've been told they look amazing by the wrong people.
• 1:14:54
  Glyn Dewis: Do you know what I mean, whereas you've got somebody here who's convinced no, I'm really good at this and that looks brilliant.
• 1:15:00
  Glyn Dewis: I don't care what you say.
• 1:15:01
  Glyn Dewis: My mom said it looked great.
• 1:15:02
  Glyn Dewis: It's like, yeah, but maybe you should.
• 1:15:06
  Glyn Dewis: And I think that's where it gets difficult, because you want to kind of help people say, look, maybe you should work on that, but they're not having it.
• 1:15:15
  Glyn Dewis: It's humility, again, it's humility.
• 1:15:19
  Glyn Dewis: You know, I always knew.
• 1:15:21
  Glyn Dewis: Maybe it's just my personality and maybe that's why I did love the bodybuilding thing, because when you do the bodybuilding you've got to have a long-term vision.
• 1:15:29
  Glyn Dewis: It's not an overnight success, regardless of what people think.
• 1:15:32
  Glyn Dewis: You don't go and pop a few pills and then the next morning you wake up looking like Lou Ferrigno.
• 1:15:36
  Glyn Dewis: It's not the way You've got to have a long-term vision.
• 1:15:38
  Glyn Dewis: It's the same with this world.
• 1:15:41
  Glyn Dewis: I've always wanted to be in the creative world for the long-term, the longevity of it, of it.
• 1:15:54
  Glyn Dewis: Do you know what I mean?
• 1:15:54
  Glyn Dewis: So, yeah, it's, it's difficult, it's difficult, but I just, I just love it, I, I love.
• 1:15:56
  Glyn Dewis: I lost my track then for a second mentioned, I'm sure lou frigno, and I just went.
• 1:15:58
  Glyn Dewis: My mind's gone.
• 1:16:00
  Glyn Dewis: But, um, yeah, I always wanted to be in for the long term and I was always willing to learn and progress.
• 1:16:07
  Glyn Dewis: I knew that where I always wanted to actually that's what I was going to say is I've always had the mentality of you're only as good as the last job.
• 1:16:16
  Glyn Dewis: I'm not one of these people.
• 1:16:17
  Glyn Dewis: Oh, I could have been in the Beatles.
• 1:16:18
  Glyn Dewis: Do you know what I mean?
• 1:16:20
  Glyn Dewis: It's like no, my last job, my last image that I shared is where I'm at.
• 1:16:27
  Glyn Dewis: So I've got to get better.
• 1:16:29
  Glyn Dewis: I've got to get better.
• 1:16:30
  Glyn Dewis: I've got to get better.
• 1:16:31
  Glyn Dewis: I've always had that, whereas I think you can see a lot of people they'll rest too much.
• 1:16:39
  Glyn Dewis: They rely too much on previous successes.
• 1:16:40
  Glyn Dewis: But previous successes, eventually they become history.
• 1:16:43
  Glyn Dewis: Now, what are you doing now?
• 1:16:45
  Glyn Dewis: What's your latest thing now?
• 1:16:46
  Glyn Dewis: So you look at somebody's portfolio.
• 1:16:47
  Glyn Dewis: When did they last update their portfolio with a new image that they did?
• 1:16:50
  Glyn Dewis: You know what I mean?
• 1:16:52
  Glyn Dewis: It's 12 months in the year.
• 1:16:54
  Glyn Dewis: The year flies by.
• 1:16:55
  Glyn Dewis: Is it unrealistic to maybe have one new image a month and, if not, maybe 10.
• 1:17:00
  Glyn Dewis: 10 in a year?
• 1:17:01
  Glyn Dewis: 10 in a year to update your portfolio?
• 1:17:05
  Glyn Dewis: Don't ride too much on previous success.
• 1:17:08
  Glyn Dewis: Always have the mentality of you're only as good as your last picture.
• 1:17:11
  Glyn Dewis: I don't know where that came from, but it's still relevant to say it.
• 1:17:16
  Matt Jacob: No, no, no, absolutely With editing as well.
• 1:17:19
  Matt Jacob: It's I don't know if you find this with some of you know your audience or with yourself, certainly when you started the importance of perspective, like in a figurative sense, like stepping back and, you know, maybe editing a photo, coming back to it the next day, right, I think that there's a so such a powerful and free tool.
• 1:17:40
  Matt Jacob: You know, if you don't have a mentor, like a lot of people don't have those people, those other kind of um, experienced people they can call up and ask for a review or advice, just to Just take a day away from it or take some time, sleep on it, come back and 99% of the time, you're like, oh God, it doesn't even need to be that I mean.
• 1:17:58
  Glyn Dewis: The fact is that nowadays it's a very go go, go kind of society, isn't it?
• 1:18:03
  Glyn Dewis: You go out, you take a picture, you come back, you edit it quick, got to share it, got to share it.
• 1:18:07
  Glyn Dewis: That's when mistakes happen.
• 1:18:08
  Glyn Dewis: Matt Kloskowski gave me again fortunate to have so many people who've helped me along the way.
• 1:18:14
  Glyn Dewis: But the best advice Matt ever gave me was to slow down, put your images into your computer, step away and also, you know, work.
• 1:18:23
  Glyn Dewis: This is where working non-destructively, retouching non-destructively, is a blessing.
• 1:18:28
  Glyn Dewis: Obviously, that's very, very simple to do that in Lightroom because everything is non-destructive.
• 1:18:32
  Glyn Dewis: But working non-destructively is the way to go because so often you would find that you do your retouching and you'd sit there and just slog away at it and you then become and it's very easy to happen, especially when you're doing things like dodging and burning to become pixel blind.
• 1:18:49
  Glyn Dewis: You don't see what you've done, you've done too much, you've overcooked it.
• 1:18:53
  Glyn Dewis: If you go away, even for half an hour, just step away from the computer for half an hour.
• 1:18:57
  Glyn Dewis: I guarantee you'll come back.
• 1:18:59
  Glyn Dewis: You will then see what you need to do and what you've done too much of, if you've worked non-destructively, then you can kind of reverse it just a little bit.
• 1:19:08
  Glyn Dewis: But it's amazing how just stepping away from the computer can give you a totally new perspective on what you've done.
• 1:19:13
  Glyn Dewis: You'll come back and go oh my God, I have well overdone that.
• 1:19:16
  Glyn Dewis: I have well overdone that.
• 1:19:19
  Glyn Dewis: So yeah, slowing down it is a very.
• 1:19:21
  Glyn Dewis: You know there's a go, go, go side.
• 1:19:23
  Glyn Dewis: You've got to share it, got to share it.
• 1:19:25
  Glyn Dewis: No, you haven't got to get it out there now.
• 1:19:29
  Glyn Dewis: Just take your time on it, because people will remember I did that on an image.
• 1:19:33
  Glyn Dewis: I did a composite of a soldier as a friend of mine dressed as a soldier.
• 1:19:36
  Glyn Dewis: He liked guns and stuff way too much, but you want, I did a picture of him in the army and I did a composite of him on the ground walking.
• 1:19:43
  Glyn Dewis: And I remember I had the I was doing full length, three-quarter length shots of him in the studio.
• 1:19:48
  Glyn Dewis: So so I had three lights set up, two strip lights to create a nice rim light around him and then one beauty dish above, and I do as I do, I get well excited.
• 1:19:57
  Glyn Dewis: So we did the three quarter.
• 1:19:58
  Glyn Dewis: Oh, there we are.
• 1:19:59
  Glyn Dewis: Tell you what, let's do a full length.
• 1:20:00
  Glyn Dewis: So I moved back and I'm photographing full length and we've got the gray psych, so it's all there, forgetting to turn one of the side lights off, one of the rim lights.
• 1:20:09
  Glyn Dewis: So I do the shot, I edit it.
• 1:20:12
  Glyn Dewis: There's a sun in the sky, blah, blah, blah, and I'm thinking I love it.
• 1:20:15
  Glyn Dewis: Fantastic, that's one of my best composites so far.
• 1:20:17
  Glyn Dewis: Comments are coming in, love it, love it, love it.
• 1:20:19
  Glyn Dewis: You know, you look amazing.
• 1:20:20
  Glyn Dewis: You look amazing.
• 1:20:21
  Glyn Dewis: Those kinds of comments.
• 1:20:24
  Glyn Dewis: And then all of a sudden one person comments hey, sure enough.
• 1:20:29
  Glyn Dewis: Oh yeah, he's got the sunlight hitting him that side.
• 1:20:31
  Glyn Dewis: Weirdly, it's hitting him on that side as well.
• 1:20:34
  Glyn Dewis: I'm thinking, ah, right, okay, yeah, and that was one of the like the unmeshed thing I said earlier on.
• 1:20:39
  Matt Jacob: When you know they're right no, ah, tell me about the, the um.
• 1:20:44
  Matt Jacob: Speaking of veterans, you know, I one of the um, one of the things I stuck out to me when I first found you, and I think you'd either just done the veteran project or, um, yeah, you must've done, cause I saw the photos like, wow, these are, these are fantastic.
• 1:20:58
  Matt Jacob: Um, tell me, tell me how.
• 1:21:01
  Matt Jacob: You know there's obviously a slowing down project over time, and that's why I love projects, because it's more mindful, it's more immersive, it's, you know, over time you get to think about stuff, try stuff.
• 1:21:11
  Matt Jacob: Tell me everything about this project.
• 1:21:13
  Glyn Dewis: I want to, I want to hear about it uh well, the well hand on heart, the best thing I have ever done not necessarily, not just, rather, in my, in my world as a photographer, but in my world, in my life best and most rewarding thing I have ever, ever done.
• 1:21:27
  Glyn Dewis: Um, obviously it was a project.
• 1:21:30
  Glyn Dewis: It wasn't the very first project that I came up with.
• 1:21:32
  Glyn Dewis: I think the first project I did was an animals project, and then something else, and eventually that kind of naturally led me to this.
• 1:21:38
  Glyn Dewis: But yeah, it was a project that I did, a purely self-funded project, and it was my way of saying thank you to veterans for doing what they did during World War II.
• 1:21:49
  Glyn Dewis: Because every year when we have Remembrance Day, just saying thank you to veterans for doing what they did during World War II, because every year when we have Remembrance Day, just saying thank you and wearing a poppy just didn't seem enough for me.
• 1:21:54
  Glyn Dewis: I thought I want to be able to do something Now.
• 1:21:57
  Glyn Dewis: I'd been doing a certain style of my lighting, one light, classic kind of look, if you like, and really backed off with the amount of retouching I was doing.
• 1:22:04
  Glyn Dewis: I wanted to look a little bit more human as opposed to pushing the effects, human as opposed to pushing the effects.
• 1:22:12
  Glyn Dewis: So I thought what I could do here I could.
• 1:22:13
  Glyn Dewis: I could.
• 1:22:13
  Glyn Dewis: Actually I'd love to be able to photograph veterans, but I didn't think of that initially, you see, because what happened was I went to the cinema and saw a film as a remake of the film dad's army, which was the series.
• 1:22:21
  Glyn Dewis: That was obviously, you know, was it like 70s, early 80s, something like that, maybe, I can't remember um, and they remade it and I remember thinking, god, it'd be great to photograph people like that Characters.
• 1:22:31
  Glyn Dewis: You know what I mean.
• 1:22:32
  Glyn Dewis: So that then led to me speaking to my friend Barry, who was the guy I photographed with the two sons in the picture, and he told me that, where we used to live, local to see them and explained what I wanted to do.
• 1:22:52
  Glyn Dewis: But what I did was to get them on board.
• 1:22:54
  Glyn Dewis: Rather than me try to verbalize what I wanted to do, I took pictures along to show them the kind of thing I wanted to do, and that's something I learned very early on.
• 1:23:04
  Glyn Dewis: That worked way better than trying to explain to people, because if you're talking to somebody who's been photographed many, many times and now you come along wanting to photograph them, no matter what you say, they still think it's going to be like every other picture they've had.
• 1:23:18
  Glyn Dewis: So I got pictures from Annie Leibovitz and Yusuf Karsh and said, look, this is the kind of thing I want to do.
• 1:23:24
  Glyn Dewis: And they were like, oh, I like that.
• 1:23:25
  Glyn Dewis: So they were on board so I started to photograph them and I loved it, absolutely loved it.
• 1:23:33
  Glyn Dewis: And then, while I was doing that, this kind of just thought came into my head wouldn't it be great to photograph real veterans?
• 1:23:37
  Glyn Dewis: And then the reason why, you know, to say thank you, and so on, so forth.
• 1:23:41
  Glyn Dewis: So I reached out to a group on Facebook who were a veterans family group, introduced myself, showed them a couple of pictures, gave them, um, links to my things, so that they would hopefully realize I wasn't some weirdo that just turned up out the blue, that wanted to go to old people's homes.
• 1:23:58
  Glyn Dewis: You know, I mean because you think it just sounds a bit weird, just what you want to photograph all people.
• 1:24:03
  Glyn Dewis: Yeah, exactly yeah, you've got to be so careful these days.
• 1:24:05
  Glyn Dewis: And then one woman wrecked.
• 1:24:06
  Glyn Dewis: One woman, uh, I wouldn't say, trusted me.
• 1:24:10
  Glyn Dewis: She tried me out to see.
• 1:24:11
  Glyn Dewis: Like, who is this bloke?
• 1:24:12
  Glyn Dewis: Is he?
• 1:24:13
  Glyn Dewis: Is he really doing, prepared to do what he says he's going to do so.
• 1:24:16
  Glyn Dewis: I then went to, I met her and she introduced me to a guy called laurie whedon who'd been a glider pilot during world war two.
• 1:24:23
  Glyn Dewis: An amazing guy, spent a lovely time at his home, photographed him at his home and then the following week I returned with his portrait in a mount.
• 1:24:33
  Glyn Dewis: And then that, just because I'd followed through with it and Jane, the lady who originally introduced me to him, kind of saw that I did what I said I was going to do she then speaks to other family members and it just spread.
• 1:24:45
  Glyn Dewis: It just completely spread.
• 1:24:46
  Glyn Dewis: Next thing, you know, I'm getting contacted by family saying, oh, my uncle, my dad and I started to keep a book of people that, oh right, I need to go and see them.
• 1:24:53
  Glyn Dewis: Go and see them.
• 1:24:54
  Glyn Dewis: And I started then traveling around the country.
• 1:24:56
  Glyn Dewis: Literally, I mean, in five months I did like 16,000 miles traveling all over the place, and it was all self-funded, because it was something that I wanted to do and I would always give them their portrait back, and because it just grew and grew and grew.
• 1:25:11
  Glyn Dewis: Unintentionally, you know, this was something that for me, was to remain under the radar.
• 1:25:16
  Glyn Dewis: It was something that I was doing, it was personal, giving me satisfaction, feel good factor and something great for them to be able to keep the portraits.
• 1:25:23
  Glyn Dewis: And it just grew.
• 1:25:24
  Glyn Dewis: And next thing, you know there's.
• 1:25:25
  Glyn Dewis: The radio stations got to hear about it.
• 1:25:27
  Glyn Dewis: Then they thought, well, I have to have an exhibition then.
• 1:25:29
  Glyn Dewis: So it's a day for the veterans, a special day for them, where they're just treated like royalty.
• 1:25:33
  Glyn Dewis: The BBC got hold of it, so the BBC camera crews came down, it went out onto the news channels.
• 1:25:38
  Glyn Dewis: It just grew and grew and grew and grew and grew.
• 1:25:40
  Glyn Dewis: And what's lovely about that is that it always remained as being about the veterans.
• 1:25:47
  Glyn Dewis: But on the back of that and this is what I meant earlier on when we were first talking about doing the right thing was that because I'd done that project what I noticed happening was that, more often than not, when people would say oh, you know I wasn't getting people saying what do you do?
• 1:26:04
  Glyn Dewis: And you say I'm a photographer oh, what kind of photography do you do?
• 1:26:06
  Glyn Dewis: I'm a portrait oh, what kind of portraits do you do?
• 1:26:08
  Glyn Dewis: It's like a continuous conveyor belt of questions that you get it suddenly became you're the guy doing the veterans project.
• 1:26:16
  Glyn Dewis: Ah right, yeah, I have.
• 1:26:18
  Glyn Dewis: Yes, I've seen that.
• 1:26:19
  Glyn Dewis: So never was I.
• 1:26:20
  Glyn Dewis: I haven't been asked again what, what's my style?
• 1:26:23
  Glyn Dewis: Like?
• 1:26:23
  Glyn Dewis: You know that there has given me this kind of I don't know recognizable style Identity.
• 1:26:32
  Glyn Dewis: Identity, yeah, it's given me an identity.
• 1:26:34
  Glyn Dewis: The project, and that's what projects will do.
• 1:26:37
  Glyn Dewis: They will give you an identity.
• 1:26:38
  Glyn Dewis: But it wasn't done with that intention.
• 1:26:42
  Glyn Dewis: But my God, on the back of it, it's just been.
• 1:26:45
  Glyn Dewis: It has done so much, it really really has, and I'm very grateful for that.
• 1:26:51
  Glyn Dewis: But at the heart of it, it's the veterans.
• 1:26:53
  Glyn Dewis: When I speak to people, I did a chat with a friend of mine called Renee Robin, lovely, lovely woman, fantastic photographer and compositor, and she got really emotional when we were talking about it.
• 1:27:02
  Glyn Dewis: She said that just really hit me.
• 1:27:04
  Glyn Dewis: That project, yeah, and that's the feedback I've had from that has been incredible.
• 1:27:13
  Glyn Dewis: You think, wow, it was, it was a.
• 1:27:13
  Glyn Dewis: For me, it was a marriage made in heaven.
• 1:27:14
  Glyn Dewis: Really, it was always.
• 1:27:15
  Glyn Dewis: It felt like it was the reason that I I first picked up a camera.
• 1:27:19
  Glyn Dewis: It's almost like this you know, I'm watching vikings at the minute.
• 1:27:22
  Glyn Dewis: They'll talk about destiny and fate.
• 1:27:23
  Glyn Dewis: It feels like that was my destiny, if you like.
• 1:27:28
  Glyn Dewis: That's why I picked a camera.
• 1:27:29
  Glyn Dewis: It just felt so right that I was doing it.
• 1:27:32
  Glyn Dewis: I'd gone through these years of retouching, learning how to take portraits, and then it it that connected with the veterans, so I was able to put all those years behind me into this to make it what it was.
• 1:27:44
  Glyn Dewis: Um, and yeah, most rewarding emotional roller coaster, uh I've ever been on.
• 1:27:53
  Matt Jacob: Yeah, it's emotional listening to you talk about it and I think you know I totally agree with you in the way we use storytelling, the word storytelling photography.
• 1:28:02
  Matt Jacob: But I think that project was storytelling at its best through images and people don't understand the amount of work that goes into the pre-production process, the thoughts, the logistics, the getting to know these, these old people, explaining to them all the communication and which, as a photographer, I know, and even that makes it almost more impressive, that really connects to the story and just having these people, that there was this cohesiveness with the project.
• 1:28:31
  Matt Jacob: I think that was profound, you know, not just aesthetically, but just the way, um, these people came across in the images and obviously it being this undercurrent of an emotional story the war and the survivors of the war it just, like you said, it all brought it together and we can see that in you and your work and the way you talk about it, which makes it even more special.
• 1:28:53
  Matt Jacob: So kudos to you.
• 1:28:55
  Glyn Dewis: I think it's um, really, really, really it was I've in that period, which was from sort of yeah, early to early 2019, up until just before the covid outbreak.
• 1:29:08
  Glyn Dewis: So we're talking literally maybe 14 months worth of a project if that.
• 1:29:11
  Glyn Dewis: But I learned more in that 14 months than I have in the previous 14 years about photographing people.
• 1:29:20
  Glyn Dewis: You know what I mean Because you do when you're going through the process of learning and stuff like that in the photography world, there's so many things that are said that just sound so cliche and corny.
• 1:29:30
  Glyn Dewis: You know, oh, you've got to connect to show the real person.
• 1:29:32
  Glyn Dewis: It all sounds so airy-fairy, but when that realization hits you certainly as a portrait photographer, when you realize that you're not the important part of the equation.
• 1:29:45
  Glyn Dewis: The important part of the equation is that person, and the biggest skill that you have or you should develop as a portrait photographer is people skills, because if you can't communicate with somebody, you'll never get a portrait of them.
• 1:30:02
  Glyn Dewis: You'll get a posed portrait, but you won't get a portrait of them.
• 1:30:06
  Glyn Dewis: So you know you can, you can get your latest this, that and the other and one of you, but if you can't communicate, then I think your portraits if that's the kind of stuff that you do will never be completely as they could be for you.
• 1:30:21
  Matt Jacob: How can you be a people person if you are, say, introverted?
• 1:30:26
  Matt Jacob: How can you connect those lines If you want to be a portrait photographer?
• 1:30:31
  Matt Jacob: But I'm a little bit shy.
• 1:30:33
  Glyn Dewis: Yeah, and how do you talk to somebody?
• 1:30:35
  Glyn Dewis: What do you talk about?
• 1:30:35
  Glyn Dewis: I can't remember who it was who told me, but they always said remember that the person in front of you has got four letters stamped on their head.
• 1:30:43
  Glyn Dewis: Mmfi, make me feel important.
• 1:30:47
  Glyn Dewis: Talk about them.
• 1:30:49
  Glyn Dewis: You know they don't want to hear about you.
• 1:30:50
  Glyn Dewis: You're going to choose another four letters, then, yeah, just talk about them.
• 1:30:54
  Glyn Dewis: People always want to talk about them, it's just the way it is.
• 1:30:58
  Glyn Dewis: So get them talking about them and then the conversation will happen.
• 1:31:01
  Glyn Dewis: It's not easy when you're thrown in front of somebody that you don't know, but if you remember those four letters, ask them about their family, their job, what kind of things they like to do.
• 1:31:10
  Glyn Dewis: So when you're not doing that, what do you do then?
• 1:31:11
  Glyn Dewis: Oh, I like to work on computers.
• 1:31:13
  Glyn Dewis: Oh, like to work on computers.
• 1:31:14
  Glyn Dewis: Oh, what are you doing on your computer then?
• 1:31:15
  Glyn Dewis: Oh, wow, have you got that?
• 1:31:16
  Glyn Dewis: Then, oh, what kind of?
• 1:31:16
  Glyn Dewis: You know, I like going bike riding.
• 1:31:17
  Glyn Dewis: What bike you got is that?
• 1:31:19
  Glyn Dewis: There's so many things you can go down there, but it just gives you that starting point, um, and then, once you've got that I mean, for me, when I was photographing the veterans, it was always a priority the kit always remained in the car.
• 1:31:31
  Glyn Dewis: You know, I didn't knock on the door laden down with bags that was in car.
• 1:31:34
  Glyn Dewis: The important part was that we felt comfortable with each other, because if we didn't, I wasn't going to get the portrait, so the kit would stay in the car, and if I was there for half an hour 45 minutes, before we even thought about doing a portrait.
• 1:31:46
  Glyn Dewis: It's fine, absolutely fine, because the portrait itself really, in reality, it took maybe five minutes to set up and a couple of minutes to take the picture once they were relaxed.
• 1:31:56
  Glyn Dewis: But if I tried to do it straight from the get-go, as soon as I turn up at their house, it wouldn't have worked.
• 1:32:02
  Matt Jacob: The hidden but probably the most important technique, isn't it for portraits?
• 1:32:06
  Matt Jacob: Is all of the work you do prior to get them comfortable and to break the ice.
• 1:32:10
  Matt Jacob: Give us an example of when you might have, I mean, maybe two questions here.
• 1:32:16
  Matt Jacob: Were there any times where you were conversing and you were doing your kind of initial interviews and getting to know these people with the gear in the car?
• 1:32:25
  Matt Jacob: Were there any times where you just kind of backed off and just went, oh, this isn't going to work.
• 1:32:31
  Glyn Dewis: No, there weren't any times that that happened, but there were times when, if I'd gone there with the intention of saying, right, I'm going to get a headshot, a three quarter length shot and an interview that was always in the back of mind that you wanted but, um, being compassionate and, uh, having that time talking to them real hard and getting to feel for how they are I would then make a judgment call as to what I would come away with.
• 1:33:04
  Glyn Dewis: So there were many times I purely ended up with the headshot because it didn't feel right to push it a bit further.
• 1:33:06
  Glyn Dewis: Maybe there was just something I felt.
• 1:33:07
  Glyn Dewis: No, maybe next time I'll come back.
• 1:33:10
  Glyn Dewis: There's always another time to come back.
• 1:33:12
  Glyn Dewis: I can do that Because gut instinct I've always been a big believer in just following your guts, because it's pretty much right most of the times.
• 1:33:20
  Glyn Dewis: You know what I mean.
• 1:33:22
  Glyn Dewis: Unfortunately, there were times that I couldn't go back because that person had passed, but I got their portrait.
• 1:33:29
  Matt Jacob: Wonderful.
• 1:33:29
  Matt Jacob: Well, it's been an absolute pleasure talking to you and I've got another five, six pages of notes that we could talk about for hours.
• 1:33:38
  Matt Jacob: Maybe we have to do a part two to this, but there's just one kind of question I wanted to put you on the spot with, and there's nothing crazy.
• 1:33:46
  Matt Jacob: It's about Lightroom and Photoshop.
• 1:33:48
  Matt Jacob: It's because there's so much here and there's so much that you've covered actually in your tutorials, certainly in YouTube and other paid assets, I'm sure.
• 1:33:58
  Matt Jacob: Give us three tools, tips and tricks.
• 1:34:02
  Matt Jacob: You can choose Lightroom or Photoshop or both.
• 1:34:04
  Matt Jacob: Give us three that you may not have covered but you think are important for photographers to at least experiment with.
• 1:34:13
  Glyn Dewis: Oh, wow, okay, I'm going to kind of try and twist this in a way that is is saying this these tools here I would suggest that they get to know because they will learn them, it'll be beneficial to them.
• 1:34:27
  Glyn Dewis: Three things um, okay, well, yeah, okay, god, I'm on the spot now and I the remove tool in photoshop.
• 1:34:36
  Glyn Dewis: Amazing.
• 1:34:37
  Glyn Dewis: I think that remove tool in Photoshop has just become amazing.
• 1:34:40
  Glyn Dewis: Obviously, we've got a similar thing now in Lightroom, but it's not something I would suggest.
• 1:34:43
  Glyn Dewis: No, okay, all right, let's rewind just for a second.
• 1:34:46
  Glyn Dewis: Then a tour.
• 1:34:47
  Glyn Dewis: Even though, even though technology is moving on massively with this software, obviously we can't ignore the introduction of the AI, particularly when it comes to making selections for us in both Photoshop and Lightroom and being on the early release team, we get to see stuff coming out before it goes into beta and I can tell you that I mean the next 12 months is going to be a hell of a ride.
• 1:35:11
  Glyn Dewis: I mean, with Adobe Max coming up now, we're going to see some updates.
• 1:35:13
  Glyn Dewis: It's just phenomenally exciting what's coming up.
• 1:35:16
  Glyn Dewis: However, that said, we can't completely rely on the software to do the job that we wanted to do on every single picture.
• 1:35:24
  Glyn Dewis: So, one of the tools I would suggest that people get to really dive into and understand, because it is one of those ones that we think is harder than it is.
• 1:35:31
  Glyn Dewis: Again goes back to what we said earlier about overthinking things.
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  Glyn Dewis: The pen tool Get to know the pen tool.
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  Glyn Dewis: I've got videos on it.
• 1:35:40
  Glyn Dewis: I know lots of my colleagues and friends have got videos on it.
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  Glyn Dewis: It is not the beast that people think it is, but it's a really good tool.
• 1:35:48
  Glyn Dewis: I love, love, love the pen tool.
• 1:35:50
  Matt Jacob: Why is it?
• 1:35:50
  Glyn Dewis: so good Because it's just so much you can do with it.
• 1:35:53
  Glyn Dewis: The control you have is just phenomenal.
• 1:35:56
  Glyn Dewis: It's absolutely phenomenal.
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  Glyn Dewis: Do with it.
• 1:36:00
  Glyn Dewis: The control you have is just phenomenal, it's absolutely phenomenal.
• 1:36:02
  Glyn Dewis: It's incredibly accurate.
• 1:36:02
  Glyn Dewis: Um, because there are times when you know a selection won't be as tack sharp as you need it to be.
• 1:36:07
  Glyn Dewis: It will be with the pen tool and you might you know, you might get so far with some of the new tools that we've had now, like select subject and select object, but you might need to kind of you know that's that's not the end result of the selection you might need to fine tune it and by using the pen tool you can maybe fine tune some of those curves and the pin sharp lines and stuff like that.
• 1:36:28
  Glyn Dewis: So I would say, just dedicate a bit of time to the pen tool.
• 1:36:31
  Glyn Dewis: Get a notebook as well.
• 1:36:34
  Glyn Dewis: And because I've got notebooks photoshop, lightroom, premiere pro uh, you know I don't expect everything that I learn, because I'm still learning to stay in this school.
• 1:36:43
  Glyn Dewis: You know I'm always making notes on things.
• 1:36:45
  Glyn Dewis: So the pen tool for one.
• 1:36:46
  Glyn Dewis: Um, brushes, really get to know brushes in again, I'm talking photoshop, I guess, here, because they can.
• 1:36:53
  Glyn Dewis: There's so much you can do with it.
• 1:36:55
  Glyn Dewis: You've only got to look at the work of people like Burt Monroy and Uli Steiger to see the kind of stuff that they do with brushes.
• 1:37:02
  Glyn Dewis: Brushes aren't just for brushing, as you'd expect, but brushes can also help you out with selections.
• 1:37:09
  Glyn Dewis: There is so much you can do with brushes when it comes to selections, because we're not we're not being, you know, it's not an examination here that we have to pass to get the perfect selection.
• 1:37:20
  Glyn Dewis: The idea is to be able to cut something else or add something in.
• 1:37:22
  Glyn Dewis: Now, if we can do that by making a perfect, perfect selection, fantastic, sometimes we might need to fake it.
• 1:37:28
  Glyn Dewis: We can use brushes to help us to fake a good selection by making it look as if we did something that was really difficult to select.
• 1:37:37
  Glyn Dewis: We can use brushes Hair, for example.
• 1:37:39
  Glyn Dewis: We can make it look like we cut out hair when we didn't.
• 1:37:44
  Glyn Dewis: We used a brush to make hair, so it looked like we did a cutout.
• 1:37:51
  Glyn Dewis: And the third thing it's not a cop-out is just to say embrace the AI.
• 1:37:58
  Glyn Dewis: Obviously, there are times when you can't, but don't think of AI as taking over.
• 1:38:04
  Glyn Dewis: Think of it as a tool.
• 1:38:05
  Glyn Dewis: That's all it is.
• 1:38:06
  Glyn Dewis: It's a tool.
• 1:38:07
  Glyn Dewis: You know, it's like the old select and mask when that first came in the filter for select and mask.
• 1:38:12
  Glyn Dewis: And you know, yeah, but we've got the pen tool, now we've got select and mask.
• 1:38:16
  Glyn Dewis: Wow, look what that can do.
• 1:38:19
  Glyn Dewis: Ai is, again, is a tool that we can use.
• 1:38:21
  Glyn Dewis: We don't need to use it to, you know, do all kinds of weird and wacky things that people see us doing, but it can be used for those little things, those little time-consuming things that are kind of like.
• 1:38:33
  Glyn Dewis: We want to get that done, because now I want to carry on and do this, I want to get on with my creativity, but this is really hard for me to do here.
• 1:38:39
  Glyn Dewis: Think of using the AI for it.
• 1:38:42
  Glyn Dewis: It ain't going to go anywhere, you know, if any, it's just going to get more and more involved.
• 1:38:46
  Glyn Dewis: So you either embrace it, or you go backwards, or you stand still.
• 1:38:51
  Glyn Dewis: That's as simple as well.
• 1:38:52
  Glyn Dewis: No, you can't.
• 1:38:52
  Glyn Dewis: You never stand still, do you?
• 1:38:53
  Glyn Dewis: In the creative world, you're either.
• 1:38:54
  Glyn Dewis: You're either moving forward or you're coming back.
• 1:38:57
  Glyn Dewis: So just embrace the ai.
• 1:38:59
  Glyn Dewis: There are times when you can't use it.
• 1:39:01
  Glyn Dewis: I get that, I totally get it, but don't dismiss it.
• 1:39:04
  Glyn Dewis: You might find that there is a particular thing you can do with it.
• 1:39:08
  Glyn Dewis: That is incredibly useful.
• 1:39:10
  Matt Jacob: Well, there we go.
• 1:39:10
  Matt Jacob: Top three tips from from from the, from the top photoshopper uh, go and check out these.
• 1:39:16
  Matt Jacob: Uh, these tips on your channel, I guess well, I'm looking forward to it.
• 1:39:20
  Glyn Dewis: I'm going to do some compositing now.
• 1:39:22
  Matt Jacob: I can't wait to show more of those techniques because I'm going to get back into it where can people find you and you know what's coming up for you over the next few months and few years okay, so easily find me nothing fancy with the names.
• 1:39:34
  Glyn Dewis: It's just Glyn Dewis.
• 1:39:35
  Glyn Dewis: Everywhere G-LL-Y-N-D-E-W-I-S that's on Instagram, facebook, the website and YouTube.
• 1:39:42
  Glyn Dewis: Everything is Glyn Dewis.
• 1:39:44
  Glyn Dewis: And what's going to be coming up now?
• 1:39:47
  Glyn Dewis: I've just released a how to print course, which I'm really happy with.
• 1:39:50
  Glyn Dewis: The feedback's been amazing.
• 1:39:52
  Glyn Dewis: But going forward now that that's done because that's been quite a not a burden would be the wrong thing to say, but it's been on my mind.
• 1:40:00
  Glyn Dewis: It's been all consuming for quite a long time.
• 1:40:02
  Glyn Dewis: Yeah, it's been a lot of work.
• 1:40:03
  Glyn Dewis: So now I have things that I want to get on with.
• 1:40:07
  Glyn Dewis: I'm going to be revisiting locations that I photographed with my mobile device.
• 1:40:12
  Glyn Dewis: I want to revisit those locations and photograph them with my main mirrorless camera.
• 1:40:17
  Glyn Dewis: That's just something.
• 1:40:18
  Glyn Dewis: I think I've got to do that with my main mirrorless camera.
• 1:40:20
  Glyn Dewis: So that's just a personal thing.
• 1:40:22
  Glyn Dewis: I'm also always looking for projects.
• 1:40:24
  Glyn Dewis: I'm going to be working on a Vikings project.
• 1:40:25
  Glyn Dewis: I'm just fascinated by the Vikings.
• 1:40:27
  Glyn Dewis: I love that cinematic kind of look that the program has the Viking series.
• 1:40:31
  Glyn Dewis: So I'm going to be traveling to do a series of at least 20 images and I've mentioned that to Westcott in the USA who are huge supporters of me.
• 1:40:40
  Glyn Dewis: And there's some kit that we're going to be using some big eight foot by eight foot scrims to fire light through to create a normal daylight, and so I'm looking forward to doing that and showing the plenty of behind the scenes and compositing.
• 1:40:54
  Glyn Dewis: It's almost like it's gone full circle.
• 1:40:57
  Glyn Dewis: I started out doing the compositing.
• 1:40:58
  Glyn Dewis: It's almost like it's gone full circle.
• 1:40:59
  Glyn Dewis: I started out doing the compositing and now I want to go back to it because it's been a few years now since I've really dived into it, Now that I know we've got all these new tools and there's more coming I'm intrigued now to get back into doing just a little bit of compositing, to see how I would do it now, as opposed to how I used to do it.
• 1:41:17
  Matt Jacob: So, yeah, that's what I'm looking forward to Fascinating Well, I'm looking forward to seeing what you do and looking forward to new releases, new projects.
• 1:41:23
  Matt Jacob: Certainly, the Vikings sounds fantastic, so I wish you the best of luck.
• 1:41:26
  Matt Jacob: We're all going to be watching out and rooting for you and rooting for you to hide those hate comments.
• 1:41:35
  Glyn Dewis: Yeah, we'll reveal them.
• 1:41:36
  Matt Jacob: Yeah, exactly, rooting for you to hide those hate comments, yeah, or reveal them, yeah.
• 1:41:38
  Matt Jacob: Yeah, exactly, uh, until the next time, hopefully, we we chat again and, um, yeah, thank you so much for your time.
• 1:41:43
  Matt Jacob: I really do not at all.
• 1:41:45
  Glyn Dewis: Thanks for inviting me, and I've really enjoyed chatting all right, see you soon.