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The Eagles Are Winning The Offseason! (PST Episode 562) · The Philadelphia Sports Table | Philly Sports News & Views

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  Hey there, everybody, it's Jeff here. Wanted to let you know that
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  we recorded this podcast episode on both Tuesday, April sixteenth, twenty twenty four,
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  and also Wednesday, April seventeenth, twenty twenty four. By the time
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  you hear this, some things may have changed here there. We hope you
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  enjoy the show, and we hope you enjoy the new music ringing in our
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  eleventh year. All right, everybody, you are listening to the Philadelphia Sports
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  Table podcast show, the longest running weekly Philly sports podcast show in the world,
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  eleven years strong. This week, longtime listeners, we thank you for
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  being with us for as long as you have. If you are new to
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  the show, we hope you stick around. Hope you enjoy the content.
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  We got a lot of Phillies talk on the way, We've got some sixers
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  talk on the way, and the NFL Draft is next week and we're gonna
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  be talking a lot about this Philadelphia Eagles team, the direction the front office
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  wants to take this team with regard to the draft, and we've got much
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  more to discuss this week. I'm Jeff Warren and I am here with my
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  good buddy Len Hunsicker. Len buddy. It's great to talk to you,
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  my man. Yeah, yeah, it is. We were just we just
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  spent the last ten minutes talking about all of our old person ailments that are
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  their start ten minutes. It was like twenty five minutes. Yeah, just
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  the butchers me. Yes, all the good stuff. My nerve impingement and
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  my rotator cuff and my shoulder. Fantastic fun times going to physical therapy folks.
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  Oh yeah, but let I can't wait for next week. The NFL
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  Draft is happening. Every every single year, US buddies and our group we
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  get together hang out. We're gonna be uh down at your place, and
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  I can't wait to hang out at your new house. It's gonna be fun.
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  What are you gonna be doing to entertain us? I just praying that
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  you guys don't do anything dumb to my house. Really, that's that's gonna
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  be the main thing. You know, I could really quick when we were
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  in our twenties, that would definitely be a concern. I think definitely be
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  a concern. But given the past twenty five minute discussion we've had about our
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  health ailments, I don't think there's gonna be a problem with anything. I
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  don't. I don't think so at all. Yeah, it's funny. My
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  wife was asking me, like, you know, so, what are you
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  guys gonna do, and it's like, yeah, we're gonna drink and just
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  bs and then probably start a movie too late and fall asleep during it.
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  You know that kind of stuff. So, I mean, me and Eric
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  have a kind of running thing with movie slap Shot where we would get always
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  get like way drunk and then just try to put it on like it at
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  like midnight or one in the morning, and then gets fifteen minutes in and
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  both of us were passed out. So just a tradition like no other,
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  a tradition like no other. And we're gonna keep it going this coming week.
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  I'm looking forward to it for sure. And Land, Man, I
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  gotta say too, buddy. You know I mentioned right at the top of
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  the show eleven years doing this. Man, it's eleven years this week that
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  you and I started this podcast show in my and Michelle's in my first house,
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  in our basement. I always always remember that first podcast episode and how
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  awfully awkward it was. We had no clue what we were doing. We've
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  certainly grown over the years, man, but I do want to say it
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  has been just been great to do this show with you and then with Eric,
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  you know, bringing him on board a few years later. Like it's
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  it's a creative outlet that I have, and I know it's there for you,
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  it's there for Eric two, you know, when you guys are hopping
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  on you know, basically once every other week at this point. But like,
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  I just want to say, thanks Buddy for sticking with the show for
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  all these years. But it's been an awesome eleven years, it really has.
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  We've talked to so many great people, and I know I do the
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  majority of the interviews at this point in time. Used to be on the
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  interviews every now and again too when we were starting up. But it's been
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  a great eleven years. And I just love our community. I love what
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  we have created here at the PST Podcast Show. And quite frankly, Eric
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  and I last week, you know, we were talking about how we could
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  have gone and other directions and been affiliated with other podcast companies over the years,
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  and I'm glad we're an independent podcast, you know, I am.
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  I mean, it's definitely been an interesting couple of weeks, just kind of
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  that whole landscape. Yeah, looking at seeing stuff on on Twitter or whatever.
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  Yeah, and just like hearing about you know, that kind of stuff.
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  And beyond the podcast, all these podcasts that we you know, I
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  know, we always had a great relationship with the folks that ran them,
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  and just yeah, it's sucks for them, but it's just like, yeah,
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  this is what happens when you, you know, do something with a
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  bigger company, and like your level of control is only so much. Yeah,
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  you know, and your say of you know, whether the show goes
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  on is not really your say. So. Yeah, I am very grateful
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  that we are still an independent podcast here, that we are not affiliated with
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  some corporate or other you know, business venture and conglomerate. I'm really happy
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  about that. But in all sinceritybody, thank you for doing the show for
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  all these years. You know, I very much appreciate it, the dedication
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  that you and Eric have had. And yeah, let's uh, let's keep
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  going forty years, how about that. We ain't gonna be lying that long.
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  I know, God, if we make it another five weeks, I'll
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  be happy at this point. That's all I want. Five weeks. Five
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  more weeks. Okay, Look, I wish the Flyers had five more weeks
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  as we're moving into the show here because five minutes, I know, you
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  know, I gotta I have to say. I posted on our PST Twitter
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  slash x account at Philadelphia PST for you new folks, if you're listening out
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  there, just it was a fun season. You know. Yes, the
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  past two weeks very disappointing in a lot of different ways, but overall,
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  it was a fun season. Len. This is the foundation of the rebuild
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  has been established and it was a fun hockey season and we haven't been able
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  to say that about the Philadelphia Flyers in quite some time. I loved this
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  season. I actually can embrace this season and be like, you know what,
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  even though they dropped off a cliff like the Philadelphia Eagles did at the
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  end of their their season this past year, we still were able to see
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  the building blocks coming together for what the future is going to be with this
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  team. And yeah, there's a lot of question marks where Danny Briere is
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  going to take them and what the decisions run office is going to make.
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  But at the end of the day, the foundation has been laid and it
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  was a fun season and I'm always going to remember it. I just hope
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  that because you know me, and you know how I am. You know
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  that when when I feel like, okay, you're not contending, let's let's
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  put ourselves in a position to get the best possible pick that we can.
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  And so I just hope that down the line, within the next year or
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  maybe two, I don't know. They have not a guarantee that they make
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  the playoffs next year either, but I hope that this run that they had
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  this year, I hope that they, you know, maybe get to a
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  point where they can point to these games someday these past few weeks and months
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  and say, hey, that time really helped us formatively in terms of,
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  you know, what to expect and and you know, put us in you
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  know, gave us a taste of those situations, because otherwise, what's the
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  point. But I do hope that they that the players on the team got
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  something out out of this season that they can you know, just have in
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  their back pocket going forward and maybe not be you know, kind of a
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  deer in the headlights when it comes to crunch time the next time they're in
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  this kind of situation. Yeah, we're gonna be fine. What this team
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  does during the off season, for sure, And with that being said,
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  like, we didn't actually have anything on the agenda with regard to the Flyers
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  here, folks, but wanted to just mention it since tonight, April sixteenth,
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  last game of the season, the eighty second game, and we're gonna
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  be talking about this Flyers team well into the future and specifically during the off
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  season. But Len, let's get into some Philadelphia Phillies talk here, the
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  Philadelphia Phillies, my friend. And it's interesting. We receive some listener feedback
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  and email from our good friend down to South Carolina April Hershey was like she
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  was writing us and she was like, how many walkoffs are they going to
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  have before the offense gets going? I'm sorry, gets going to move away
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  from these super tight games. And it's interesting because last week I talked to
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  Tim Kelly from Phillies Nation dot com about just how this Phillies team overall needs
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  more offense. We know that that's the theme right now of what is happening
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  with this team. You know, thankfully, the pitching has been pretty stellar
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  thus far, and in fact, today you had Ranger Suarez throwing a shutout.
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  You know, Bryce Harper getting going again a bit as well. But
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  Bryce Harper really, of course he's not. He he wasn't starting off the
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  season the way that he wanted to. His slow start I believe has really
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  been holding the Phillies offense back. I think he knew it. Interestingly enough,
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  he was in a two for twenty seven slump over his last seven games.
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  This is the before today's game, the April sixteenth game. Just he
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  doesn't have an extra base hit in that span, and he's recorded just to
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  walk. That's it. When this isn't this isn't great. You know,
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  he's hitting one ninety through fifteen games, through the first fifteen games, the
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  worst batting average started season since entering the league, and he hasn't hit our
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  home run since April second. So I think he did in tonight's game.
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  I'm sorry, Yes, he did in tonight's game. I'm sorry. Yeah,
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  so yeah, So, I mean he has to get going for this
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  offense to get going. Basically, we remember that he had that three home
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  run game, you know, a little while back, and that was it
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  up until tonight. Tonight be his fourth home run of the year, and
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  that's it's you know, I hate to say it because he you know,
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  he's you know, the most important person on this team, but it's not
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  enough. I mean yeah, and he's got other people around him. He's
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  got you know, Trey Turner's making three hundred million dollars. Real Mudo's there,
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  Schreber's there. I mean, they have a lineup that you know,
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  we all know can hit. But there's got to be more from him.
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  So he had a double tonight home run, So hopefully we start to see
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  him kind of get untracked a little bit because yeah, the ops right now
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  is at like seven sixty three. Yeah, for Bryce Harper, that is
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  way lows. That needs to be nine hundred are up, yep for him,
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  that's the type of player he is. So yeah, I mean we
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  need to see it, and we will. I mean, you know,
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  and I think you're going to talk about an email that April sent us.
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  I mean, yeah, I just mentioned yeah, no, I just mentioned
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  that email just so you know, how many walk offs are they going to
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  have before the offense gets going to move away from these super tight games.
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  Well, and we're lucky, and we're lucky in that they've got the pitching
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  that they've got so far. Ranger Swarez pitched in absolute gym tonighte complete game,
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  shutout, struck out eight, walked one, gave up seven hits.
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  I mean, just an absolute incredible game by Suarez. So yeah, they've
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  been able to survive with their pitching. And then this is good word survive.
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  That's what I feel like is happening with this team right now in general.
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  If it's not not for the pitching, this team wouldn't be in this
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  quote survival mode. Then again, then again, then I feel like,
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  as frustrated as we are about the offense, this team right now is ten
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  and eight. The sky is not falling by any stretch. I was going
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  back and forth with somebody on Twitter about this recently, and it's like,
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  you know what, yeah, it's it's not great, but like this this
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  complete delusion of how this team is like completely crapping the bed, I think
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  it's I don't think that's correct. The sky's not falling with this team right
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  now. And I was having this conversation with somebody at work. It was
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  like, oh man, they're all good too far, and it's like,
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  but this is what they do. This is they always it seems like they
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  always start out slow, especially hitting, and then you know, once the
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  weather warms up and it gets to what, you know, Charlie Manuel called
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  hitting the season. You know, the bats are going to come around.
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  They always do. I just feel like the Phillies offensively and as a whole
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  have never been over the past. You know, however, many years a
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  house of fire to start the season. They never come out of the gates
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  blazing hot, you know. So I don't know, I guess I'm not,
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  as you know, concerned about it this year because I just feel like
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  this is just who they are. I mean, they just start slow and
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  then they'll and that's the thing. I mean, if they're if they're holding
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  serve when when they're in the midst of a slow start, then theoretically once
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  they get moving offensively, they should really heat up. So yeah, I
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  mean, the fact that they're not sitting in like third or fourth place right
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  now is a great thing with with how week the offense has been, so
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  hopefully once the offense comes around, they'll really, you know, kick it
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  up to another gear. At that point, absolutely, they're a game and
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  a half behind the Atlanta Braves for first in the division at this point.
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  There's one guy, though, Lenn that I wanted to mention as well,
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  and he is not, by any stretch of the imagination, the most important
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  person on this team. But when the Phillies acquired him in the offseason,
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  I was very excited about it given his past and how he has helped other
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  teams. And that's Whit Maryfield. But my gosh, Maryfield is hitting at
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  this point. His slash line one oh seven one sixty seven, one oh
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  seven in thirty one played appearances in ten games, with no extra base hits,
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  no RBIs he Oh my gosh. He has started five games in left
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  field, two at third base, and one at second base. And at
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  this point it's like Wit Maryfield is completely lost and it seems like he has
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  completely forgotten how to swing a bat. And again, not the most important
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  personnel within this within the structure of the Philadelphia Phillies, but brought in as
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  an insurance policy. This insurance policy really isn't working out early here, and
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  again, like we're saying, it's early, the sky isn't falling here.
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  Can Wit ma Field turn things around? Of course he can. There's time
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  to do it. But man, that insurance policy that we were talking about,
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  I think that's kind of out the door at this point here in April
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  yeah, I mean he look he is brought in is like kind of that
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  super sub kind of thing, like you know, you can play all these
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  different positions. So I knew he was going to get a good amount of
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  the bats because you know, this is a guy where Okay, this guy
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  needs a day off, we'll put Maryfield in there, because that's the kind
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  of player he is. Defensively, you can plug him into different places and
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  give guys a rest, and that's an important, you know, thing to
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  have on a team. I mean, it's great when you can have a
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  guy like that that can cover so much different ground defensively. But yeah,
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  he's got to start hitting because if you're i mean at that point, you
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  know, you're you're putting him into your lineup as a detriment at a different
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  position every day. If he's not hitting, and what's the point, you
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  know, if he's not going to hit, then you got to start looking
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  at other options maybe, you know, I mean obviously I don't know,
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  maybe so so more if Bow needs to move over to first, or if
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  he needs a day off. I mean, but yeah, they really,
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  I mean, he hasn't really given them much of anything at this point.
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  He really hasn't. It's the it's it's it's a kick in the nuts in
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  a way. But on the flip side of things, you have a player
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  in Brandon Marsh who's been one of the few bright spots, you know,
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  from an offensive standpoint thus far. His his splits. My gosh, he's
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  batting two eighty eight three h nine, five seventy seven, four home runs,
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  a double, a triple in sixteen games. I mean, he has
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  struck out twenty one of his fifty five played appearances while only walking twice.
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  But Lynn, he's been the bright spot in terms of this offense and it's
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  really great to see. And I think that while we continue to harp on,
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  you know, like I just thought I was just harping on whit Maryfield.
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  You know, we were harping on Bryce Harper, and yes, he
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  had a home run in today's game. But like when it comes to Brandon
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  Marsh, when it comes to Alec Bohm, who I think is one of
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  the is the under the radar story of this season thus far. His consistency
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  that he has given this team throughout all the all the starts that he's been
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  out on the field and in the batter's Box. He's doing some damn good
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  stuff too. Again, this just goes with my theme here within our conversation
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  that the sky is not falling. There is some talent here. If Bryce
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  Harper gets going, I think the rest of this team does as well.
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  And following the lead too of Alec Bohm and Brandon Marsh. Yeah, and
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  Marsh did this last year too. He got off to a really really good
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  start and played really well and he did eventually kind of tail off a little
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  bit. We'll see if he can. I don't expect to maintain this pace
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  forever. He will cool off eventually. I mean, it's just the law
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  of averages over a long season. But maybe he can kind of not fall
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  off as precipitously as he did last year and kind of maintain good numbers throughout
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  the season. You know, this is a guy that you know he's he's
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  in that he's in his prime. Now you're looking at guys like him and
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  Boom and uh and Stott, and that's where you're going to get your guys
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  making their leap from I mean, we know what Harper is, we know
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  what real Mudo is at this point, we know what Trey Turner is at
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  this point. But can those guys, the Bohms, the stats, the
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  Marshes, can they unlock another level in their game and you know, become
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  you know, an All Star and contribute even more to the lineup. I
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  mean, that's that's really where this team is going to make its gains if
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  it does this year. Yep, absolutely well. From a pitching standpoint,
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  to Lenn, we've got Rangers Suarez with three wins on the season thus far.
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  In terms of team leaders, he's also his era is one point seventy
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  three. Zach Wheeler, he's got thirty strikeouts. In terms of saves,
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  Jose Alvarado has two, and Sir Anthony Domingus has three holes. If it's
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  not for this pitching being as good as it has been thus far, this
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  team is really really gonna be crap in the bed here. But we've been
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  seeing a very consistent bullpen. We've been seeing some really good arms or I
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  should say, some pitches coming from Aaron Nola and Zach Wheeler and of course,
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  like I just mentioned Ranger Suarez as well Spencer Turnbull. It's gonna be
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  interesting, you know that the Taiwan Walker situation whenever, that's gonna happen.
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  That's probably something the Phillies are kind of like, well, we hope we
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  don't have to deal with this for for another week or two or maybe three
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  weeks. We don't want to know if we want to deal with this situation
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  because Spencer has been been performing well on the mound as well, So I
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  uh, I don't know. It's it's it's a good situation, a good
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  problem to have that this this Phillies pitching staff's been doing damn well. Yeah,
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  I mean, you hope with with Turnbull, I mean, maybe he
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  can hold or maintain until either Walker is right go or you know, maybe
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  if if you know, Mick Abele or somebody like that is you know,
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  has you know, strings together some good starts in the minors, maybe they're
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  ready by the middle of the season they can come up and help as well.
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  But yeah, I mean, it'll be interesting to see what Turnbull gives
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  them. I knew Nola had a really good start the other night, and
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  then Suarez in the in the beginning of the broadcast tonight, they said he
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  was like second or third in the league in whip walks and hits per innings
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  pitched. Yeah, and he had you know, he gave up eight base
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  runners over nine innings tonight, So I mean that that just I mean,
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  that'll that'll keep those numbers right where they are. I mean, he had
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  a really really good game tonight. I mean, man, that's that's what
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  you really want to see out of this guy. I mean, I've been
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  super impressed with him so far. Absolutely, and again Spencer Turnbull uh one
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  point eight zero e r a fantastic in three games, just just fantastic.
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  He and Ranger doing some great stuff. So you got anything else for the
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  Phillies, buddy, before we take our first break here and before we get
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  into some sixers talk, just at the schedule right now for them is pretty
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  favorable. Good. You've got the Rockies in town, who are, you
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  know, just one of the worst run organizations in baseball. I mean there's
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  no getting around that they are, you know, and then I believe they
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  have the White Sox up next, who are not a you know, they're
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  kind of a floundering organization as well. So you've got a chance to really
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  pick up some wins at home here coming up before you get on the road
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  going to Cincinnati. Actually, they have a pretty decent home there road trip
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  coming up starting on April twenty second. Here you know, four games in
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  Cincinnati, three in San Diego, and then three in Anaheim against the Angels,
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  so it'll be good to take in banks and wins here before they get
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  on the road. Absolutely great way to end our Phillies talk here before heading
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  I'm on threads at mister Jeff Warren and the show's there as well at Philadelphia
• 22:49
  Sports Table. We're gonna take quick break right now. We'll be back in
• 22:52
  just a bit. All right, we are back, and Lynn, let's
• 22:57
  get into a disc about this Philadelphia seventy six Ers team and the postseason,
• 23:03
  that is, if they make it past the play game and potentially face the
• 23:08
  New York Knicks in the first round, and what we're gonna specifically be watching
• 23:14
  as it pertains to this team. So just letting folks know we're gonna know
• 23:18
  whether or not the Sixers are in that first round of the playoffs by the
• 23:23
  time you're hearing this, So this entire conversation, you may just want to
• 23:29
  hit that forward button. Folks. If the Sixers lose to the freaking Heat,
• 23:33
  and there are a lot of folks that the Sixers may lose to the
• 23:37
  Heat, they if they do lose, they still have another chance. This
• 23:41
  is just for the seventh seeds. Oh that's right, yeah, yes,
• 23:44
  Why am I thinking it's one and done here? No, it is not.
• 23:45
  If they lose this game, then they go on. That's right.
• 23:49
  The winner of the other of the nine to ten matchup and then I mean
• 23:55
  I would rather them win this game because if they win, they play the
• 23:56
  Knicks, right, which Knicks are good team. I mean they are They're
• 24:00
  not a pushover by any stretch, or the second seed for a reason.
• 24:03
  But if they lose and then win the next game, then they have to
• 24:07
  play the Celtics, who Lol, this happens every year in the playoffs.
• 24:12
  They lose to the Celtics. So yeah, I think we know what's gonna
• 24:15
  happen if they end up in that eight seed. Absolutely, all right,
• 24:18
  Yeah, I completely got mixed up for some reason. I know, I
• 24:22
  hasn't been the greatest day, folks. I've been eating a crap sandwich all
• 24:26
  day, all right, So why don't we Should we just talk about this,
• 24:30
  lenn as though the I don't want to jinx anything considering the game is
• 24:34
  gonna happen, Like when we drop this on Thursday, the Wednesday night game
• 24:37
  against the Heat is already gonna happen. Should we talk about the possibilities of
• 24:42
  them playing the Knicks? Yeah? Why not? I mean it looks I
• 24:45
  mean, they they've got in bed, and I know, look, Miami
• 24:51
  always is going to scare me in terms of a playoff matchup. It just
• 24:55
  feels like they always make a run no matter what seed they are, Yeah,
• 25:00
  one of those teams. But listen, and I know that it's been
• 25:03
  a you know, a tough road without MBAT, but he's back, and
• 25:07
  you know this is okay. You you are the reigning MVP at least for
• 25:11
  another couple of days here, you know, until they crown a new one.
• 25:15
  It's you know, this is why you're here. You know, is
• 25:18
  to is to win this game. And my expectation is that between him and
• 25:25
  an all star in Tyrese Maxi, and you know, some of the other
• 25:27
  guys they have on the team, they should be able to win this game.
• 25:32
  I will be like I said, he'd scare me, but I will
• 25:36
  be disappointed if they don't win this game. They should win this game.
• 25:40
  They should win the game. And if they do win the game, they're
• 25:41
  gonna play the Knicks. And I think let's kind of just talk about Knicks
• 25:45
  versus six Ers, maybe advantages we see for maybe both teams here. Why
• 25:52
  don't we do that because again, this could be this could be a useless
• 25:56
  conversation when we drop this show. But look, I think that when you
• 26:03
  look at this Sixers roster. You look at the the Knicks roster, Philly
• 26:08
  has a lot of guys who can match up against Jalen Brunson. I think
• 26:12
  Kelly Oubre is a bit of a I think he is a good natural matchupd
• 26:17
  Anthony Melton is going to be a pretty good matchup against Brunson as well,
• 26:22
  Nick Batoom as well, and they can put Kyle Lowry on him as well.
• 26:26
  I think they can even put Tyrese Maxy on him too. Brunson is
• 26:30
  shooting forty one percent from the floor twenty nine for seventy two in three games
• 26:36
  against the Sixers this season, so those numbers are really heavily influenced by Jalen
• 26:41
  Brunson going six for twenty two shooting against the Sixers on March tenth, just
• 26:48
  a little bit over a month ago. He played well, he shot efficiently,
• 26:52
  and the other two regular season games the Knicks one. However, I
• 26:56
  think this is this is a Knicks team that's got holes in it, and
• 27:00
  I think that that the Sixers can certainly take advantage. And again, it's
• 27:03
  all going to depend on matchups, and I think that when it comes to
• 27:07
  matching up against Jalen Brunson. This Sixers team is going to have what it
• 27:11
  takes to match up against him. Yeah, no, I do agree.
• 27:15
  We'll listen. Bronson's he's a better player than I thought he was going to
• 27:22
  be coming out of Villanova. I thought he was going to be a good
• 27:23
  player. I thought he was going to be a guy that had a long
• 27:27
  NBA career who you know, definitely was going to be in the league for
• 27:33
  a decade at least. Yeah, I did not think he would be this
• 27:37
  good. So yeah, I mean, he's been really good this year.
• 27:42
  And listen, the Knicks have They're three and one against the Sixers this year,
• 27:47
  so you know, it's not like, you know, oh, okay,
• 27:48
  well we're just going to go in and beat the Knicks because they're I
• 27:52
  mean, I wonder if if people, you know, you have that because
• 27:57
  the Knicks have just been down for so long and they've just been you know,
• 28:02
  considered a dysfunctional organization for so long. So the fact that they're now
• 28:07
  there and competent feels new, and maybe people aren't giving them the credit they
• 28:12
  deserve. But that's a good team. But again, you've got a guy
• 28:18
  that was the MVP last year. You know, that was kind of The
• 28:22
  Sixers were doing really well when he was in the lineup and all yeah fell
• 28:26
  off when you know they they dropped pretty precipitously in the in the standings once
• 28:33
  he went out. So now he's back, you're gonna have him. We're
• 28:36
  gonna have MAXI, you're gonna have Uber, You're gonna have healed. I
• 28:38
  mean, you've got no shortage of offensive options. It's been in these guys,
• 28:44
  and if they can lock these guys down defensively, then I think you've
• 28:48
  got something and I think it's gonna be competitive series. It wouldn't surprise me
• 28:52
  to see the Sixers win the series. But by no means like I don't.
• 28:57
  I'm not saying, oh, they're going to win the case, say
• 29:00
  I have Embiid, but you know they have everything they need to be there
• 29:04
  because they've got him. I think what And this may just sound like common
• 29:10
  sense and you may be like, yeah, duh, Jeff, but tiring
• 29:14
  out Joe El Embiid, and given the fact that he's coming back from this
• 29:18
  injury, I think that's what the Knicks are going to end up trying to
• 29:21
  do. You know, can you make it a ninety four foot game.
• 29:25
  I mean, the Knicks don't play from what I've seen, the Knicks don't
• 29:27
  play with a lot of pace, but at times during stretches against Milwaukee and
• 29:34
  Boston recently, they have played with a lot of pace. Look, the
• 29:38
  Knicks rank thirtieth in pace, but it's they seem to play faster against Philadelphia
• 29:45
  this season here, you know, And I think what they're going to try
• 29:48
  to do is just tire and beat out you know. I mean, put
• 29:52
  put him beat in every single pick and roll, you know, and you
• 29:56
  know with his conditioning right now, you put him in pick and rolls consistently.
• 30:03
  And I think that's gonna that's specifically going to help out the Knicks.
• 30:07
  They're going to try to tire out Joel Embiid if that happens, gets to
• 30:11
  the fourth quarter and uh, you know, can again, can they make
• 30:15
  it a ninety four foot game? I think that's a that's a possibility,
• 30:18
  and I would say advantage Nicks if they're going to be able to do that.
• 30:22
  It's an interesting idea. I mean, I do think that that Embiid
• 30:26
  coming back when he did will allow him to knock off a little bit of
• 30:30
  the of the rust and get the conditioning up a little bit. I think
• 30:37
  they've had a couple of games where they probably played him more minutes than they
• 30:41
  wanted to. But I do think he's kind of been able to slowly work
• 30:45
  himself back in. Do I think he's all the way back to one hundred
• 30:48
  percent conditioning wise, I don't know. Maybe not, but I you know,
• 30:53
  it's not like he's okay. These are going to be his first games
• 30:56
  back. I mean, he's at least had a chance to slightly work himself
• 31:00
  back in. So hopefully that's less of an issue than than you know,
• 31:04
  you think it might be. I don't know it's possible, but yeah,
• 31:08
  it's just hopefully we can avoid, you know, the fluky elbow like in
• 31:15
  the Toronto Series a couple of years ago, and it's just always something with
• 31:18
  him in the playoffs of getting hurt. Hopefully we can just avoid that and
• 31:22
  just have a nice healthy run for once in our lives within beating in the
• 31:27
  playoffs, please God, you know. So, we'll see what happens.
• 31:32
  We'll see what happens again, folks, as we drop this Thursday morning,
• 31:37
  you know, we have no idea what's going to happen with regard to the
• 31:40
  play in and you know, this may all be for naught, but I
• 31:44
  don't know, do you have anything else and that you're specifically going to be
• 31:47
  watching for as it pertains to this potential matchup here, Lynn, I do
• 31:52
  want to see. Sorry, it just took a uh oh, sorry the
• 31:56
  cutch off guard there. I just took a big swig of whiskey. So
• 32:00
  it kind of just going down the wrong pipe. All right, Sorry about
• 32:06
  that problem. It's it's I do I do want to see, you know,
• 32:10
  Okay, this was this year was kind of a coming out party for
• 32:15
  for Tyrese Maxey, and I want to see, you know, after all
• 32:17
  of that how playoff Maxie looks as he you know, as he's now an
• 32:23
  established guy. Obviously this is still Joel Embiid's team, but how much does
• 32:29
  he defer to him? How much does he you know? Okay, I
• 32:32
  trust you go ahead and take these shots and and you know be that guy.
• 32:38
  You know. I want to see how much he can spread his wings
• 32:42
  in this in this playoff. I love that I do, I you know,
• 32:45
  because this is going to end up being more and more of his team
• 32:50
  as the years roll on. And look, he was given the keys.
• 32:54
  He was given the keys to this offense when Joel Embiid was out. We
• 32:59
  saw some good things from him, you know, we saw some challenges,
• 33:01
  some struggles here and there. But I think that's a really good thing for
• 33:07
  us to be looking at as we uh, you know, as we hope
• 33:08
  the Sixers are going to be moving it well into these this playoff pictures.
• 33:13
  So all right, well, Lynn, why don't we, uh, why
• 33:15
  don't we move on to the Philadelphia Eagles here? Before I let you go,
• 33:21
  A lot's going on this past week with regard to Eagles Nation. When
• 33:25
  Devonte Smith was given that contract extension, Yes, oh my gosh, I
• 33:30
  was so excited about it. I read an article from our friend of the
• 33:35
  pod, Ed Kratz from Eagles Uh with Eagles Today at uh at s I,
• 33:44
  and oh my gosh. He he wrote. He's like, this is
• 33:46
  why it is so complex to get Davonte Smith the contract extension. Blah blah
• 33:52
  blah, he wrote. He writes this article and I'm not kidding. Two
• 33:55
  hours later, it's like the extension is announced, the three year, seventy
• 34:00
  five million dollar extension, fifty one million dollars guaranteed. I'm happy because Mike
• 34:07
  Kelly Green, Davonte Smith jersey that I got for Christmas this past year.
• 34:12
  Len, that's gonna be good to go now for at least another few years.
• 34:15
  Well, there you go, exactly. But at the end of the
• 34:19
  day, this Eagles team has now set in stone one of the most prolific
• 34:25
  wide receiver corps and yes, with two guys Davante Smith and Aj Brown,
• 34:34
  for the foreseeable future. And it's a great thing. It's a beautiful thing.
• 34:38
  But what I wanted to also mention too is, aside from Devonte's Smith's
• 34:43
  contract extension, when we get your thoughts on that, Len, but the
• 34:45
  Eagles have locked up through twenty twenty six the following players Jalen Hurts, AJ
• 34:52
  Brown, Davante Smith, Saquon Barkley, Jordan Mailatta, Landon Dickerson, Lane
• 34:58
  Johnson, Jalen Carter, Ice Huff, CJ Gardner, Johnson, Sidney Brown,
• 35:02
  Nolan Smith, Keeley Ringo, and Jake Elliott. That that's a strong
• 35:07
  group of really, really good football players. And it leads me to believe
• 35:13
  that this Eagles team in this offseason has been pretty darn productive and it's been
• 35:17
  going really well for the for what this upcoming season may be. And I'm
• 35:22
  gonna be talking to Shane haff In a little bit about this, but I'm
• 35:27
  like, I'm just really excited going into this draft next week about where this
• 35:30
  team's going. Anyway, we want to get to Devonte Smith and that contract
• 35:34
  extension. Yeah, I mean, it's a damn good start. I mean,
• 35:37
  in terms of all the people that you just mentioned there, having all
• 35:40
  that lockdown for a while is a great thing, and especially with you know,
• 35:45
  you look at Okay, these are the free agents that are coming out
• 35:49
  in terms of wide receivers. You got you know, Jefferson in Minnesota,
• 35:53
  You've got Cidy Lamb. I know, there's a couple other guys in there,
• 35:57
  and it's Mark Chase, yeah, Jamar Chase. So the fact that
• 36:00
  you got your guys locked up and you don't have to worry about, you
• 36:04
  know, a big discussion with them being free agency down the road. It's
• 36:07
  just one last thing you got to worry about. So I was really happy
• 36:10
  to see them get him taken care of. And that's just something you don't
• 36:15
  have to worry about all that when that time comes. Exactly for a little
• 36:20
  bit, yep, exactly. Yeah, I mean, I think you know
• 36:22
  a lot of those names that you mentioned were on the offensive end. So
• 36:28
  I have expectations for this draft. Yeah, well, let's get into it
• 36:32
  here. What we're looking for from the Eagles at the draft next week when
• 36:36
  we're going to be watching at your house, Like what overall? From a
• 36:38
  theme, I guess perspective, Like you're thinking, Okay, defense, defense,
• 36:43
  defense, that's what you're thinking. Yes, that was one hundred percent
• 36:46
  what I'm thinking. I have seen a few mock drafts where it's just like,
• 36:52
  oh, the offensive tackle Mims from Georgia. Yeah, Lane Johnson's getting
• 36:57
  any younger, And yes, I understand that that is true, and yes
• 37:01
  you will need to replace him. You you don't have a defense like you
• 37:07
  saw what happened. I mean you do. Have you brought Gardner Johnson back,
• 37:13
  which I liked. You know, you have, you know some guys
• 37:15
  that you've drafted, but at the same time, you know your cornerbacks are
• 37:20
  both old. One of them fell off a cliff last year in Bradbury.
• 37:23
  Like, you need to shore this up offensively, You've got all the weapons.
• 37:30
  Defensively, you need to shore this up. Don't get cute, don't
• 37:36
  all we're planning for two or three years just down the road. How about
• 37:38
  your plan for this year? How about you planning for a deep playoff run
• 37:43
  this year? Get strong defensively, Let's let's do this. Let's not mess
• 37:49
  around and get too cute for two years down the road. I completely agree,
• 37:53
  I do, and I'm gonna be talking to Shane Haffen a little bit
• 37:55
  about it. Len. Part of me thinks that, just based off what
• 38:00
  we've seen Howie Roseman do over all these years, that it's going to be
• 38:04
  a trenches pick with that number twenty two overall pick, or if he moves
• 38:07
  up, if he decides, you know, he's gonna move up a couple
• 38:09
  spots again an offensive lineman maybe you know, maybe Chop Robinson is going to
• 38:15
  be there. They from Penn State and they take him. But really,
• 38:19
  I I A large part of me wants how he to draft a cornerback for
• 38:23
  the future. As you just mentioned, James Bradbury fell off a cliff.
• 38:27
  The thing is that, Jeff, you're not drafting a cornerback for the future.
• 38:30
  You gotta draft him for right friggin now? Yeah, yeah, Like
• 38:36
  stop thinking about the future. Start like your playoff, your window with this
• 38:40
  all with these offensive players that you have. You were just in the super
• 38:45
  Bowl, not this year, but last year. Your window is now.
• 38:49
  Stop thinking about the future. Yes, I want sustained excellence too, but
• 38:54
  you should. You're you're you're one of those teams. You're right there.
• 38:59
  But I don't know. That's yes, I but I don't know based on
• 39:02
  again, this comes down to money. It comes down to contract years,
• 39:06
  things like that. James Berry, James Bradbury signing that contract last year spring
• 39:10
  twenty twenty three. That's not going anywhere and it's gonna be impossible for them
• 39:16
  to trade him or get rid of him. He's going to be out there
• 39:21
  on the field. I think, like that's the reality. And the Eagles
• 39:23
  and defensive coordinator new defensive coordinator is gonna be like, you know what,
• 39:27
  we're gonna we gotta go with him. Just throw up our hands and say
• 39:30
  burn us no, not necessarily, we got what. Like I said,
• 39:32
  That's why I'm hoping that they draft a cornerback and maybe throughout training camp whatever,
• 39:37
  the first round cornerback is just is amazing and they're like, yeah,
• 39:39
  we got to start him over Bradbury. But Bradbury and every now and then.
• 39:43
  I mean, let's let's put ourselves in a position to do that.
• 39:45
  Yeah, rather than just say, well Bradbury signed through whatever, let's draft
• 39:50
  another offensive lineman. Yeah, Like that is the stuff that's gonna burn me
• 39:54
  up. It's so interesting how I went to that, Okay, we gotta
• 39:59
  draft for the future, and you were like, no, no, no,
• 40:01
  let's do it now because we are so ingrained as Eagles fans to think
• 40:07
  like that, because this is a team, an organization that usually do not
• 40:12
  tend to start even their first round picks. Yeah. Jalen Carter, he
• 40:16
  was kind of an anomaly. Uh, you know, he started a lot
• 40:19
  during the course of this past year, kind of had to after they got
• 40:22
  rid of uh he went out to San Francisco. Why am I forgetting his
• 40:28
  name? Yes, Javon Hargrave, And uh, you know, very rarely
• 40:35
  do you see that first round pick start for this Eagles organization on either side
• 40:39
  of the ball. So I'm just so conditioned lend to thinking like that,
• 40:44
  which is why I was like, oh, we got all think for the
• 40:45
  future. You know, it's they've done this to us. You're you're there,
• 40:49
  You're there right now. Yeah, you're you're one of the top teams
• 40:52
  in the NFL right now. Yep, stop thinking about it. And and
• 40:58
  the other thing is all right, Georgia, guys, you're you're, you
• 41:01
  got this awesome reputation. I want to I mean, Carter was had a
• 41:07
  real nice year, fell off a little bit at the end. But Jordan
• 41:10
  Davis, Nolan Smith, Na, Kobe Dean, let's see it, let's
• 41:15
  go. Yeah. Otherwise, you know, you know, look, I'm
• 41:19
  not saying old draft anybody from a school because these guys haven't panned out,
• 41:22
  but like, okay, you guys were part of a historically great defense together.
• 41:28
  Let's see that translate to the next level. Yeah, I will tell
• 41:30
  everybody this. Go back in the podcast feed, listen to the PST special
• 41:36
  from this past week here where I spoke to Matt Waldman, one of the
• 41:39
  best NFL and college scouts in the entire nation, and I was very,
• 41:45
  very honored and humbled. You know, he's been coming on the show for
• 41:49
  the past few years to talk to us about draft prospects and just talking to
• 41:52
  us in detail about how these guys translate from the ranks to the NFL,
• 42:01
  how it isn't always as easy based on the skills that they have and what
• 42:07
  they specifically need to do, and how they need to break certain habits,
• 42:10
  and how it was interesting len how what these guys do in the field,
• 42:15
  it's like an art form and it's tough to sometimes break your art form,
• 42:20
  and how you've always done your art in different situations, in different scenarios.
• 42:25
  It was a really interesting conversation and topic. I would highly recommend folks listening
• 42:30
  to this right now listen to that interview that I did with Matt Waldman because
• 42:35
  it was it was a fantastic interview. But Buddy, I'm with you.
• 42:37
  I hope from a defensive perspective, we see a lot of defensive players taken
• 42:42
  in this draft. That's what I'm hoping the theme is going to be.
• 42:45
  Yeah, I mean, we got to get some guys in here and see
• 42:49
  what's six And look, I know, I know that relying on rookies is
• 42:52
  kind of a fool's Errand sometimes I get it. You're asking a lot for
• 42:59
  these guys come in and learn the playbook and all that stuff. It's a
• 43:02
  lot for a rookie. I understand that. But listen, the guys that
• 43:07
  are on the outside, on the corners right now. I mean, Sleigh
• 43:10
  is still good. You will see him get burnt from time to time.
• 43:14
  It will happen. It has happened, you know, every now and again
• 43:17
  over the past couple of years. But you know, Bradbury has already fallen
• 43:22
  off the cliff. What if Slay does too, like then then you're down
• 43:27
  to no corners that you trust unless Ringo or Hicks or is that his name,
• 43:31
  Eli Hicks or yeah for rect Sorry, unless one of these guys you
• 43:37
  know, takes a massive step forward, then you suddenly you're you're just getting
• 43:44
  toasted by everybody's one and two receivers on the outside. So I just I
• 43:50
  worry about that stuff, all right. Good way to end our Eagles discussion
• 43:54
  here. Before we get to our break, we got more Eagles talk coming
• 43:59
  your way. Shane from Edge of Philly Sports and the on the Shane Page
• 44:05
  podcast. He's gonna join us for a discussion about the upcoming NFL Draft and
• 44:08
  how these Eagles you know, may look to bolster various positions and units on
• 44:13
  this team. Shane was with the BGN Radio podcast for some time. We
• 44:17
  wanted to bring them on board here this week talk about some draft talk and
• 44:22
  Eagles offseason as well. We're gonna get to that in just a bit.
• 44:25
  Lend buddy. Any final thoughts before I let you go, No, not
• 44:30
  really, I don't. All right, sounds good, but I think the
• 44:34
  next time you and I are gonna be talking, it's gonna be it's gonna
• 44:37
  be next week at your place watching this draft. And I don't I don't
• 44:43
  even know if we're gonna do any show stuff. I don't think we did
• 44:45
  last year. Actually, I know sometimes year to year we would do some
• 44:47
  draft stuff for the show. I'm not sure if we're gonna do that this
• 44:50
  year, but uh yeah, we'll see how it goes. Looking forward to
• 44:52
  seeing you, buddy, and uh yeah, you take care any again.
• 44:59
  No final thoughts were, yeah, don't destroy my house. Guys. All
• 45:01
  right, sounds good. We're gonna take a break, folks. We'll be
• 45:05
  back in just a bit. All right, We are back, and let's
• 45:08
  now get to our interview this week. Got more Eagles talk, common it's
• 45:14
  what we're throwing down on the table and now on the table. It's great
• 45:20
  to have back on the podcast. He is a content creator over at Edge
• 45:24
  of Philly Sports, starting a new podcast even though he's not new to the
• 45:29
  podcasting world, but starting a new podcast on the Shane Page Podcast, and
• 45:35
  also he does chalk talk over on YouTube. You can check out everything that's
• 45:38
  going on there. We've got the one and only Shane Half Shane Buddy,
• 45:43
  it is great to see you here on zoom. I'm so very grateful that
• 45:45
  you took the time to jump on the PSD podcast show with us this week.
• 45:49
  My friend, Yeah, Jeff, always happy to come on and talk,
• 45:52
  especially around draft time. Yes, it feels like been building up to
• 45:57
  this since gosh, since September. I mean, yeah, do it.
• 46:00
  I did a weekly bign draft show throughout the season, and you know,
• 46:04
  we've got our draft board out and now it's you know, you make the
• 46:07
  rounds and you talk about guys and the next week and a half is going
• 46:10
  to be crazy. But I'm so happy to come on and talk with you
• 46:14
  about the Eagles offseason and their draft potential. Again, we appreciate it,
• 46:17
  and I really wanted to start off our discussion Shane getting into this Eagles off
• 46:22
  season in general, I personally feel like it's been one where some really great
• 46:28
  moves have been made during free agency. You know, we've seen some trades,
• 46:31
  and then there's a number of contract extensions that have been doled out by
• 46:35
  Howie Roseman as well, most recently Davonte Smith. Lenn and I were just
• 46:38
  talking about that a short time ago here, And despite the letdown Shane of
• 46:45
  last season, after that monumental collapse, it still feels like this team heading
• 46:51
  into this twenty twenty four season are they're going to be competitive once again in
• 46:54
  the NFC. Overall, those are the fields, Those are the vibes that
• 46:58
  I am getting here, and I think a lot of folks within Eagles Nation
• 47:00
  are getting as this offseason is moving along here. How would you assess this
• 47:05
  Eagles offseason here? And specifically, what do you see as basically the theme
• 47:09
  of this Eagles offseason? What are your thoughts here? I think the theme
• 47:14
  of the offseason has been all about youth. I think the Eagles realized down
• 47:19
  the stretch last season, which we don't have to talk about because that's still
• 47:22
  a sore spot. Yes, I think they realized they were too old and
• 47:27
  slow, particularly on the defensive side of the ball, and so you saw
• 47:30
  them make big investments into both sides of the ball, but especially the defense
• 47:35
  and into youth. You know, you go get Bryce Huff from the Jets.
• 47:37
  He's twenty six years old. Yeah, you bring Chauncey Gardner Johnson back
• 47:42
  from Detroit and he's only twenty six years old, and he's got that he's
• 47:45
  got that edge, you know that you want to bring to your defense.
• 47:47
  And you go get at Devin White. And I'm not the biggest Devin White
• 47:52
  fan, but Giman White's twenty six years old and he's actually a linebacker and
• 47:57
  he's fast, and you know, so you bring that speed, you inject
• 48:00
  that in and then on the offensive side of the ball, you go prioritize
• 48:04
  Saquon Barkley, who will talk about more later on in the show, but
• 48:07
  he's only twenty seven and you know, maybe we shouldn't say only twenty seven
• 48:10
  because in running back years, that's maybe more mid thirties. But you get
• 48:15
  the extension with DeVante Smith that just breaks a day or two ago, and
• 48:19
  Land and Dickerson earlier and they're both twenty five, and so you know,
• 48:22
  the Eagles are investing heavily into youth, and it's been a off season of
• 48:29
  reloading and sort of pushing those chips into the table and you know, especially
• 48:32
  when you compare it to the rest of the NFC East. I mean,
• 48:36
  you look at the Cowboys, who're your main competition, and the Cowboys lost
• 48:39
  two of their starting offensive linemen, and then they lost two pass rushers who
• 48:44
  combined for nearly seven hundred snaps last year. Yeah, and they lost their
• 48:47
  starting running back and they've added virtually nothing. All while the Dak Prescott deal
• 48:52
  looms and you can't franchise tag him and so he could potentially be a free
• 48:57
  agent and Ceedee Lamb wants a deal in your fifth you're optioning Micah Parsons at
• 49:00
  a position he does not play, so you can save three million dollars.
• 49:05
  And you know, the Cowboys add nothing. They added Eric Kendricks and so
• 49:08
  you know, you look at them, and you look at the Commanders,
• 49:12
  and you know they had the most cap space in the NFL, and they
• 49:15
  made a ton of signings. Yes, and are they are they even decent?
• 49:19
  Like Dan Quinn overpaid for Dorance Armstrong because he was from Dallas, and
• 49:23
  then he went out and gets Dante Fowler and it's like he just signed everybody
• 49:28
  that he's ever been on a team with before. And I just didn't like
• 49:30
  the approach, Like their offensive line isn't good, they don't have a good
• 49:35
  pass catcher. They signed twenty free agents and spend one hundred and sixty million
• 49:39
  dollars. Who's the best player they signed. It's for probably Frankie Lubu and
• 49:45
  I like him, but I don't think they accomplished anything. And you know,
• 49:49
  the Giants are just timorrhaging talent and Xavier McKinnon and Saquon Barkley, and
• 49:53
  they got good value on the Brian Burns trade, I think, but QB's
• 49:58
  paramount for that team, and I I don't know that they can get one
• 50:00
  in this draft. And so you look around at the rest of the division
• 50:04
  and it makes you feel even better about what I think was a really good
• 50:07
  offseason for the Eagles so far. Absolutely, when we look at these other
• 50:10
  teams, as you're mentioning here in the NFC East, what is their foundation?
• 50:15
  What is their foundation? Folks? I don't believe that you can logically
• 50:20
  say that the Dallas Cowboys, Washington Commanders, New York Giants have that solid
• 50:23
  foundation that the Eagles do have. What Shane was just talking about in terms
• 50:28
  of youth, in terms of making smart strategic investments in players that are extremely
• 50:34
  talented or going to be around for a while. And you mentioned one guy
• 50:37
  in particular. As we're moving along here, Shane CJ. Gardner Johnson,
• 50:42
  I mean bringing back CJ. Gardner Johnson. I mean that has actually been
• 50:45
  my favorite move thus far during this offseason, just based on the extremely tough
• 50:51
  situation that the Eagles defensive backfield found themselves in last year. On a number
• 50:55
  of occasions, in a number of games, they were a detriment to this
• 51:00
  team. So I'm wondering, I love CJ. Gardner Johnson, it's great
• 51:04
  that he's back, But what has been your favorite move that the front office
• 51:07
  has made thus far this offseason? And why? Yeah, I liked bringing
• 51:13
  Chauncey Gardner Johnson back, and that's not the one I'll talk about, Okay,
• 51:15
  I did. I jokingly tweeted when that signing broke, I tweeted,
• 51:21
  that's great, Now go sign a safety. Yeah, because I would love
• 51:24
  to get Johncey Gardner Johnson into the slot. I think that's where he's best
• 51:29
  fit. But you know, obviously people didn't like that and it was set
• 51:32
  a little tongue in cheek, But I'm glad he's back, but I'm gonna
• 51:35
  say it's Saquon Barkley. All right. Uh So, first let's start with
• 51:38
  the contract, because that's the thing everybody's like, you know, was worried
• 51:44
  about. But Howie paying thirty seven points seventy five million dollars to a running
• 51:47
  back over three years is unheard of. I didn't think it was gonna happen.
• 51:52
  I honestly didn't think it was gonna happen. Literally, like three hours
• 51:54
  before that, I tweeted out when the rumors were abound that the signing may
• 51:59
  actually happen. I'm like, there is no way. This is not Howie
• 52:01
  Roseman structure, This is not his philosophy. There is no way they're paying
• 52:06
  a running back this Three hours later, what do I know? What the
• 52:09
  hell do I know? I'm just a fan, Yeah, I said when
• 52:12
  that was coming out, I said, I will believe how he pays a
• 52:15
  running back that when I see it. Yep. And then people were old
• 52:19
  takes exposing me. A couple hours later, I said, listen, I
• 52:22
  didn't say it will never happen. I didn't say there's a zero percent chance.
• 52:25
  I said I'll believe it when I see it. I see it now,
• 52:28
  I believe it. So let's not get too far over our skis here.
• 52:30
  But he's not really paying that. So the cap hit this year's three
• 52:35
  point eight million dollars, Next year it's thirteen and a half, and then
• 52:38
  in twenty twenty six it's fifteen and a half. But he could be moved
• 52:42
  on from after two seasons with an eight point four million dollar dead cap hit
• 52:45
  that could be split over two seasons. So the contract is not bad at
• 52:50
  all. Yep. So now let's talk about the player. The Saquon had
• 52:52
  a down year last year. It is important to contextualize that and say he
• 52:58
  was working with a bottom five offensive line, a bottom three quarterback situation,
• 53:04
  probably a bottom five wide receiver room, and so you would expect his rushing
• 53:07
  efficiency to be down, and it was. But he's still a better runner
• 53:12
  than DeAndre Swift. And this isn't the you know, a player's gone,
• 53:15
  so now I'm gonna say he's bad, and the new player that was on
• 53:19
  a division rival, now I'm going to say he's good. I've said Saquon's
• 53:22
  really good for a long time. I'm not saying Swift is a bad player.
• 53:25
  Saquon's simply better. Saquon averaged nineteen percent more rushing yards after contact per
• 53:32
  carry last year, two point nine to one versus two point four to four,
• 53:37
  and he had two hundred and thirty four percent more rushing yards over expectation
• 53:42
  point three nine versus point or negative point two nine. And so he adds
• 53:46
  a lot as a runner. He simply didn't have the luxury of running behind
• 53:51
  the offensive line with the passing weapons that the Eagles have, So I expect
• 53:54
  him to have a really good year and rushing game aside. He adds a
• 53:58
  ton to the passing game, both as a blocker and a receiver. And
• 54:02
  a lot of times I think, you know, the receiving running back things,
• 54:06
  that's overstated. But this isn't a guy you're just throwing checkdowns too.
• 54:12
  He was second and averaged depth to target among running backs last year at two
• 54:15
  point one yards. They're running him on wheel routes, they're stretching the field
• 54:19
  with him. This isn't screen passes and checkdowns. Yeah. I was just
• 54:22
  gonna say, Man, he runs a nasty wheel round, I'll tell you
• 54:24
  that. And not only that, he was third among running backs in slot
• 54:29
  target percentage and the guys ahead of him in those categories are Christian McCaffrey and
• 54:36
  I think it was James White, Okay. And so that's what you're talking
• 54:39
  about the caliber of pass addition to the passing game. And then you look
• 54:43
  at pass blocking, which was abysmal last year for the Eagles from the running
• 54:46
  backs. Among fifty running backs with forty or more pass blocking snaps last season,
• 54:52
  Saquon ranked third in the NFL in PFF grade. He allowed only two
• 54:55
  sacks and six pressures on one hundred pass blocking snaps. Wow. For reference,
• 55:00
  Wow, DeAndre Swift drank thirty third, Kenny Gainwell ranked thirty fourth.
• 55:06
  They combined to allow two sacks and sixteen pressures on about one hundred and thirty
• 55:10
  past wounce snap. So you're getting a big upgrade. However you want to
• 55:14
  utilize him in the passing game, you're getting an upgrade as a runner.
• 55:17
  And I think it's just a really solid deal. Absolutely Again, Folks talking
• 55:22
  to Shane Half. Follow him on Twitter slash x at Shane Half NFL.
• 55:27
  He's a great, great follow always posting great, great content with regard to
• 55:31
  the Philadelphia Eagles football in general too. So let's get into the upcoming NFL
• 55:37
  Draft. Cannot wait for it. Lennon and I were just talking about it,
• 55:39
  and just you know, we're going to be getting together as we do
• 55:43
  every year, to sit back and look at what the Eagles are going to
• 55:46
  do other teams as well. Eagles are currently slated to pick in the first
• 55:51
  round at number twenty two overall, as we all know, and I believe
• 55:53
  Howie Roseman is going to move up to get a Trenches base player. That's
• 55:59
  what my gut is telling me at this point. Shane, I know you
• 56:01
  like some offensive linemen. You've been posting about them as of late Graham Barton.
• 56:07
  And also I don't know how to say his first name, Talise.
• 56:12
  Is it Talise Fuaga? TALISEI Talise? Okay, I swear every time I
• 56:16
  hear his name it's pronounced differently, but I'm pretty sure it's Talise Fuaga.
• 56:21
  Yeah, I know you like these two gentlemen in terms of offensive linemen in
• 56:23
  the first round. Part of me wants Howie to draft a cornerback for the
• 56:29
  future. And again, as Lennon and I were just talking about, you
• 56:32
  know, as Darius Slay and James Bradbury, age, So what is your
• 56:37
  hope for the Birds and what they are going to potentially do in the first
• 56:42
  round and why what is your hope? Yeah, I would love to see
• 56:45
  a cornerback. And when I say that, and when I mott draft a
• 56:50
  cornerback, people some people will push back on that and they say, you
• 56:53
  know you've got Slay, You've got Isaiah Rogers, you have Keeley ring Go.
• 57:00
  But the thing is, we all saw the difference in Bradbury from twenty
• 57:06
  twenty two to twenty twenty three. Darius Slay is older. Like regression is
• 57:10
  not a gentle slope for cornerbacks. It is a here one year, unplayable
• 57:15
  the next situation. I'm not saying that's gonna happen to Slay this year,
• 57:19
  but what I am saying is you better have a secession plan. And then
• 57:22
  Isaiah Rodgers hasn't played in over a year and he's on a one year deal.
• 57:27
  Keilely Ringo, I really like I had a first round great on him
• 57:30
  last year, but he fell to the fourth round for a reason. Teams
• 57:32
  didn't view him that way. And so I think cornerback is absolutely a position
• 57:37
  the Eagles should invest in. My dream would be for the Eagles to end
• 57:40
  up with Quinjon Mitchell out of Toledo, Oh Terry on Arnold. I think
• 57:45
  both of those would require trade ups. I'm not sure the Eagles will do
• 57:50
  that. Same goes for Laatu Latu, the edge rusher out of UCLA.
• 57:53
  I would love that pick. I think my more realistic targets I would like
• 57:58
  to see are Cooper did the cornerback out of Iowa. And I know he's
• 58:02
  kind of a polarizing guy. Some people think he's only a safety. Some
• 58:07
  people think he can't really play man coverage very well, and you know there's
• 58:12
  some short area burst issues that leads to some separation of man coverage at times.
• 58:17
  But I just think he's such a high IQ player. I think he's
• 58:22
  a really good tackler. He triggers down hill against the run. He brings
• 58:25
  value as a punt returner. He's got great ball skills at the catch point
• 58:30
  seven interceptions in the last two years, and three of them he returned for
• 58:34
  touchdowns. He's super athletic. In twenty twenty two, he was the only
• 58:37
  cornerback per PFF with an eighty five plus coverage grade and run defense grade.
• 58:45
  He started his career at safety. He moved his cornerback. I would draft
• 58:49
  him to play cornerback, and if it doesn't work out, I think he
• 58:52
  could be a good safety. And one of the things I really like about
• 58:57
  that fit is you have Chauncey Gardner Johnson in hand, a guy that drops
• 59:01
  into the slot. He can also play safety. You're limited in what you
• 59:07
  can do creatively with a guy like that unless you have two of them.
• 59:10
  Because if Chauncey Gardner Johnson's on the field with Reid Blink and Ship and Sydney
• 59:15
  Brown's on the bench, spoiler alert, Chauncey Gardner Johnson's playing safety because there's
• 59:20
  only one other safety on the field. If you have both of these guys
• 59:24
  on the field, now, Vic Fangio can do all kinds of things.
• 59:28
  You can rotate after the snap. You can drop a safety into the box
• 59:31
  and rotate your slot back to safety. There's all kinds of things that you
• 59:35
  could do. That's really intriguing to me. And then the other guy is
• 59:39
  Brock Bowers. And I've been saying that Brock Bauers could slide into the late
• 59:45
  teens for a long time, and people are catching up to that thought now.
• 59:49
  It's hard to find a landing place for brock Bauers. If he gets
• 59:52
  past the Jets at ten, who I would argue should take an offensive lineman
• 59:58
  and we'll see how the top ten shut. But if he gets past the
• 1:00:01
  Jets at ten, the Colts at fifteen, or a spot that he could
• 1:00:06
  land the Bengals at nineteen, you're getting into area the Eagles could trade up
• 1:00:10
  for there. Now, why would you trade up for a tight end?
• 1:00:15
  Dallas Goddard is the same age now that zach Ertz was when you replaced him.
• 1:00:19
  He has struggled to stay healthy. I like twelve personnel. The Eagles
• 1:00:22
  like twelve personnel. Kellen Moore likes twelve personnel, and he's just a weapon
• 1:00:27
  that you can use. You can move him around. He's lined up in
• 1:00:30
  the slot on fifty two percent of his snaps, but he's lined up in
• 1:00:32
  line thirty seven percent, so he can block. And part of the thing
• 1:00:37
  about twelve personnel is if your second tight end can't block, it's really hard
• 1:00:43
  to do it. If your second tight end can't catch passes, it's also
• 1:00:47
  hard to do it. And the Eagles don't have a second tight end that
• 1:00:50
  can do both. And so I would be highly intrigued by brock Bowers if
• 1:00:54
  he gets past the Colts at fifteen, I would probably be making calls to
• 1:00:58
  try to get up in front of the Bengals. I think we saw back
• 1:01:01
  when zach Ertz was on this team along with Dallas godd Or running twelve personnel,
• 1:01:06
  how explosive that the offense was with that option, when you could have
• 1:01:10
  guys who have the capability of blocking, capability of pass catching as well.
• 1:01:15
  Tight ends of what you're talking about, Sheene, I think the explosiveness and
• 1:01:19
  the options that are given to an offense when you are able to run twelve
• 1:01:23
  personnel with that type of talent on the field, I think there's no arguing
• 1:01:30
  that that would be a really good move to make. So I love to
• 1:01:32
  hear your thoughts on that. But you know, as we move along here
• 1:01:37
  and we look at you know, we're talking about the first round. Here,
• 1:01:39
  there's two second round picks, and I am extremely happy that they have
• 1:01:44
  two second round picks here in this upcoming draft night, and I do wonder
• 1:01:47
  if they decide to make a move at all, if they make a move
• 1:01:51
  at offensive or defensive lineman in the first round, a lot of folks saying,
• 1:01:54
  you know, they're going to probably go in the trenches here, but
• 1:01:58
  if the second round is going to be really focused on getting that next generation
• 1:02:01
  of talent in the secondary, possibly safety or cornerback. I know we're talking
• 1:02:06
  how we want that to happen in the first round, but what are your
• 1:02:09
  specific thoughts as you're looking at the second round picks for this Eagles team and
• 1:02:14
  where they may be gauging in terms of these in terms of the talent they're
• 1:02:17
  going to be drafting. Yeah, first of all, I would like to
• 1:02:22
  thank the Saints for trading the Eagles Jalen Carter and a mid second round pick
• 1:02:27
  for an offensive tackle that they're already looking to replace in this year's draft.
• 1:02:30
  I think that's pick fifty, right, I think it's pick fifty. Yeah,
• 1:02:35
  yeah, the Saints they're probably going to draft the replacement to Trevor Pinning,
• 1:02:38
  Yeah, the guy they traded up to take two years ago in the
• 1:02:42
  first round. So shout out to the Saints for that. I would love
• 1:02:45
  to see a wide receiver in Day two now if you take Brought Bauers in
• 1:02:49
  the first maybe not, but you know, some but as long as you
• 1:02:53
  didn't take brock Bowers. I'd love to see a wide receiver in Day two.
• 1:02:55
  It wouldn't have to be at fifty or fifty three. This is a
• 1:02:59
  tremendous deep wide receiver class. Yep. But the Eagles don't have a third
• 1:03:02
  round pick, and so I would like to see them move back in either
• 1:03:07
  the first round to pick up a third or from one of those second round
• 1:03:10
  picks to pick up a third, just to spread that out a little bit.
• 1:03:14
  But with what wide receiver contracts did this offseason and the depth of this
• 1:03:19
  draft class at wide receiver, I think every team should be looking to bolster
• 1:03:22
  that room at some point. Yeah. Now, ultimately I would like to
• 1:03:27
  walk out of the first three picks with a defensive back, a linebacker,
• 1:03:30
  and a wide receiver. Now, the Eagles obviously aren't taking a linebacker in
• 1:03:36
  the first round. There's not one that should go in the first round.
• 1:03:39
  I would be really surprised if they took a wide receiver in the first round.
• 1:03:44
  So, you know, ultimately I probably think they end up. You
• 1:03:46
  know, my realistic scenarios, I'd like to see him take a defensive back
• 1:03:50
  in the first and then get out of Day two with a linebacker and a
• 1:03:52
  receiver. I think that that's a great plan of action for this team for
• 1:03:58
  sure. And as we're closing out our discussion here, Shane, you know,
• 1:04:00
  we've been talking about, you know, potential picks and the talent that
• 1:04:04
  we like here and at the end of the day when the draft is all
• 1:04:09
  said and done, you know, we talked about the theme of the Eagles
• 1:04:12
  offseason to start our discussion. What are you hoping the theme of this draft
• 1:04:16
  is going to end up being for this Philadelphia Eagles organization as they're moving forward?
• 1:04:21
  What's the what do you hope the theme of the draft is going to
• 1:04:24
  be drafting impact players as rookies? All right? I mean you have got
• 1:04:30
  to draft players and put them on the football field. It's exactly what Len
• 1:04:34
  was just saying, you know, and I and I actually said to it.
• 1:04:39
  Sorry to cut you off, but I said to Len, I said,
• 1:04:43
  you know what, drafting for the future, blah blah blah. He's
• 1:04:45
  like Jeft, He's like, no, we need talent on the field now.
• 1:04:48
  And I think I am so used to as a Philadelphia Eagles fan having
• 1:04:53
  this front office and various coaching staffs making these first round picks and second round
• 1:04:59
  picks way in the trenches that are wait on the sidelines for quote their turn
• 1:05:02
  or to develop. We got to get these guys on the field, like
• 1:05:05
  Lenn was saying, like you're saying here, So I'm sorry to interrupt you,
• 1:05:09
  but I just wanted to mention that that's what my co host said as
• 1:05:12
  well. Yeah, I mean in twenty twenty two, the Eagles only had
• 1:05:17
  eight hundred and seventy seven snaps played by rookies, which ranked dead last in
• 1:05:21
  the NFL. Wow. See yeah, and it was thirty two percent less
• 1:05:26
  than the median number. Wow. So like they were, they were they
• 1:05:30
  were way down there. Yeah, Okay, now they were better in twenty
• 1:05:33
  twenty three, but they still only had rookies play fifteen one thy five hundred
• 1:05:39
  and eight snaps and they had two first round picks, And if you remove
• 1:05:44
  Jalen Carter, which is about six hundred of those, you're down below one
• 1:05:47
  thousand snaps by rookies again, and so you cannot do that. They had
• 1:05:51
  a first round pick and Nolan Smith play two hundred and three snaps. That
• 1:05:56
  that's absurd. That is an egregious use of draft capital to go draft a
• 1:06:00
  guy in the first round who plays under twelve snaps a game. They have
• 1:06:04
  Keeley Ringo, a guy again I had a first round great on apparently nobody
• 1:06:11
  else did, but they traded up to go get him in the fourth round.
• 1:06:15
  Yeah, and then he sat on the bench behind James Bradberry who couldn't
• 1:06:18
  cover his own shadow for most of the right And then you get to the
• 1:06:23
  end of the year and he's forced onto the field when Darius Slay is hurt
• 1:06:26
  and all of a sudden, hey, look this guy can make some plays.
• 1:06:30
  Too bad we didn't have him on the field earlier. You have got
• 1:06:31
  to draft players that play. Good teams draft players that get on the football
• 1:06:38
  field. And I'm not saying your third round pick Tyler Steen has to play
• 1:06:42
  a lot at you know, really bad teams would do would do that.
• 1:06:46
  But you look at a team like the Chiefs, which, yeah, the
• 1:06:49
  Chiefs have Patrick Mahomes. That's why they won two Super bowl exactly. They
• 1:06:54
  also had a really good defense last year. And that really good defense came
• 1:06:59
  from guys like Trent McDuffie who were drafted in the first round put on the
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  football field, and they figured it out by the end of the rookie season.
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  You have got to get impact out of your rookies. And so if
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  the Eagles should not spin one of those first three picks, those three picks
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  in the top fifty three, all three of those guys should play significant snaps
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  early as rookies, or in my opinion, the Eagles misused their draft capital.
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  I love the way we end that conversation right there at Shane Half NFL
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  on Twitter slash x. Also check out the on the Shane Page podcast.
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  New podcast it's going to be coming out. I think you've already dropped some
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  episodes, correct, Yeah, So this is the podcast that Johnny A.
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  Page and I did for BG and radio before eSPI Nation ended all those podcasts.
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  So we're launching out on our own now. So it is a new
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  podcast feed. You can go search it out on the Shane Page. It's
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  on YouTube, or it's on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, all those places.
• 1:07:58
  Nice. It'll also live stream on like Twitter and YouTube and things. But
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  we do a lot of in depth film review stuff in the season. We're
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  actually recording our first episode for the new feed in a couple of hours.
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  We're going to talk day one and two offensive Draft prospects, and so that
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  podcast will be up by the time you listen to this one right now,
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  though there's just a placeholder test audio in there because I had to have one
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  to submit the feed that you have to do. Yep, that's what you
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  have to do again, folks, Shane have Shane, buddy. It was
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  great talking to you. I always love having you on fantastic content as always.
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  Come back and join us down the road. I'd love to have you
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  back on the show, my friend. Absolutely, I'll be back anytime you'll
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  have me. Jeff Shane is such a great guy, and as his football
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  analysis there during our discussion shows you, he certainly knows what he's talking about
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  with regard to draft prospects. Where this Eagles organization and team is going.
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  I can't wait for this NFL Draft. It's gonna be really interesting. And
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  quite frankly, we were after we hit the stop record, we were talking
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  a little bit about just you know, how Eagles Nation is going to react
• 1:09:04
  to this first round pick and what Howie Roseman is going to do, and
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  I said, you know, I think there's just gonna be an entire eruption
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  in the city of Philadelphia that could be heard from the clouds if they pick
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  a cornerback in the first round. But I think it's really important too what
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  Lenn was saying earlier and what Shane was saying earlier as well. A first
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  round pick, you gotta play him, you gotta play him on the field.
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  And I think so many of us, like I initially said, have
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  been conditioned that you're seeing first round picks for the most part, even the
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  second round picks at times sitting on the bench. Quote learning. They need
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  to learn on the field. They need to get on the field. They
• 1:09:42
  need to have that NFL experience right out of the gate. It's not going
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  to be one hundred percent perfect. These guys are going to learn, and
• 1:09:49
  they're gonna need to learn. Go back in the feed, listen to the
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  podcast with Matt Waldman and myself as he was analyzing and telling us, you
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  know how, this is an art for for a lot of these guys,
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  and sometimes you have to adapt once you get to the NFL, and most
• 1:10:03
  times the talent needs to adapt. So it's gonna be a great talking about
• 1:10:08
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