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Sharri | 21 August · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Why On Sky News This is.
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Speaker 2: Sharry Good Evening, Welcome to the show.
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Speaker 3: Coming up tonight, top law enforcement officials are sounding the
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Speaker 3: alarm about the Albanese government's lacks vetting of Gazans. In
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Speaker 3: this exclusive New South Wales police are highly concerned that
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Speaker 3: her Musk supporters could put community safety at risk. That
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Speaker 3: major story coming up in a moment. Also on the
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Speaker 3: show tonight, how Tanya Plibacek Plivacek is shaping up to
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Speaker 3: be a major threat to the Prime Minister her eleventh
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Speaker 3: hour bid to shut down a gold mine the latest
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Speaker 3: controversial move. Or Andrew Caswell will be on the show
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Speaker 3: to discuss and calls for The New York Times to
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Speaker 3: suck its reporter who's behind a list of hundreds of
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Speaker 3: Australians being doxed? And also tonight in breaking news, Albanezi
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Speaker 3: has been slammed over an off color joke at a
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Speaker 3: private dinner that has offended farmers.
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Speaker 1: Not the live export. We've made sure it was dead.
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Speaker 3: More on that recording with my political panel a bit later,
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Speaker 3: but first tonight, Police in New South Wales are highly
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Speaker 3: concerned the Albanese government may have given visas to Hamas
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Speaker 3: supporters with inadequate security vetting, risking community safety. Security sources
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Speaker 3: tell me that far more rigorous checks were done on
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Speaker 3: the very young children of Isis brides that on Palestinians
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Speaker 3: coming to Australia from a terror hotspot. So lax with
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Speaker 3: the security checks that the visas of twenty three Palestinians
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Speaker 3: were counseled when they were already en route to the Australia.
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Speaker 3: They are now stranded in Turkey or Egypt. The Australian government,
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Speaker 3: specifically Tony Burke, has washed his hounds of them.
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Speaker 2: Law enforcement in New.
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Speaker 3: South Wales are frustrated at what they say is a
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Speaker 3: lack of consultation and inadequate security checks. They see this
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Speaker 3: as an unacceptable risk to community safety. One senior figure
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Speaker 3: told me the last thing we need is Hamas supporters
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Speaker 3: in the community, we have a responsibility to protect the
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Speaker 3: people in New South Wales. They put the families of
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Speaker 3: foreign fighters through biggest scrutiny and those kids have done
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Speaker 3: nothing wrong and we're quite young. There were thorough background
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Speaker 3: and biometric checks. It's understood that counter terrorism police in
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Speaker 3: New South Wales have received no information about which individuals.
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Speaker 2: Have come from the war zone.
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Speaker 3: Now. I asked Shadow Home Affairs Minister James Patterson about
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Speaker 3: this issue and he said that all visas issued to
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Speaker 3: Palestinians in Australia need to be reviewed.
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Speaker 4: So this is a hugely significant story. It's effectively a
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Speaker 4: vote of no confidence by New South Police in the
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Speaker 4: Albanesi government's handling of immigration, national security and community safety.
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Speaker 3: And that full interview with James Patterson in reaction to
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Speaker 3: this story I'm bringing You Now is coming up later
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Speaker 3: in the show. The Coalition stepped up its political attack
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Speaker 3: on Albanizi in Parliament today accuse him, accusing him of
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Speaker 3: running what they could a visa for votes scheme.
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Speaker 5: Will the Prime Minister admit that this visa for vote
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Speaker 5: scheme was only done to shore.
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Speaker 6: Up votes in the seats of Watson, McMahon and black
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Speaker 6: slaand it doesn't.
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Speaker 1: These go to his true character?
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Speaker 7: Prime Minister, Why is Australia heading out tourist visas to
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Speaker 7: gardens from the terrace controlled warzone in an average of
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Speaker 7: twenty four hours and in some cases as quickly as
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Speaker 7: one hour, while bypassing all the usual checks, including those
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Speaker 7: the former coalition government used in Syria. Will the Prime
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Speaker 7: Mister admit that the government's visa for vote scheme was
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Speaker 7: only done the shore up votes in the seats of Watson,
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Speaker 7: McMahon and blacks.
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Speaker 4: Or.
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Speaker 3: The Prime Minister in turn accused Peter Dutton of being
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Speaker 3: a bully, and Albanezi also criticized Israel yet again.
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Speaker 8: Ass is not strength and punching down on vulnerable people
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Speaker 8: is not strength. But that is what this bloke does
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Speaker 8: at shows Australia who he really is every day.
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Speaker 3: Now this is the second week the Prime Minister has
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Speaker 3: been unable to strongly defend or even explain the security
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Speaker 3: process for the visas. He hid behind the intelligence agencies
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Speaker 3: yet again saying he has faith that they will do
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Speaker 3: their job. But this is highly misleading and it goes
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Speaker 3: to the very heart of the issue. AZEO has no
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Speaker 3: oversight of this process. Fast tracked visit visas are being
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Speaker 3: issued in just one hour after an online application process.
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Speaker 3: AZEO and the other intelligence agencies are scrambling to play
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Speaker 3: catch up after the government deliberately decided to use visitor
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Speaker 3: visas to rush them through, and on the weekend, ed
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Speaker 3: Husick admitted the visitor visas were used because they were faster.
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Speaker 5: Why visit of visas though because they're faster to process,
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Speaker 5: ref G visas take longer, and given what's happening right
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Speaker 5: now and the dangers presented, the view was to try
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Speaker 5: and get people out as quickly as you can.
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Speaker 3: Well I revealed last night that many of the three
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Speaker 3: thousand visas approved for Palestinians were done through an automated
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Speaker 3: online process with no manual security checks. Home Affairs today
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Speaker 3: confirmed that almost all applications for migration and temporary visas
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Speaker 3: are lodged online, regardless of where the applicant is, and
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Speaker 3: this includes Palestinian applications. So Home Affairs then also claimed
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Speaker 3: that a departmental officer was involved in the process for
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Speaker 3: each visa. Now the Coalition asked the Prime Minister about
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Speaker 3: this today.
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Speaker 9: Of the almost three thousand visas approved for people from
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Speaker 9: the terrorist controlled Guarza war zone, how many were approved
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Speaker 9: by an automated process and did not involve a referral
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Speaker 9: to Asia.
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Speaker 3: And did not involve a referral to Asio. Well the
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Speaker 3: Prime Minister initially joked about this question he.
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Speaker 2: Simply wouldn't answer it.
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Speaker 3: Eventually, he claimed none of them were fully automated, but
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Speaker 3: he couldn't confirm that all had security checks.
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Speaker 2: Have a listen.
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Speaker 10: I decided with the involvement of departmental staff. None are
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Speaker 10: fully automated. We have dealt with this process. But you
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Speaker 10: know that's not the real point of this question, is it.
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Speaker 10: It's not to get an answer, it's not actually to
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Speaker 10: get information.
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Speaker 1: It's just so out and the Stoke Division order ANTI.
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Speaker 3: So he couldn't say that there was an AZIO security
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Speaker 3: assessment for each visa because it's just not happening. Visitor
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Speaker 3: visas are being issued through an automated online process with
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Speaker 3: no checks by ASIO. The Prime Minister keeps trying to
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Speaker 3: claim that ASIO has been involved in background checks for
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Speaker 3: the nearly three thousand Palestinians who've been given visas, but
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Speaker 3: the claim is simply false. The Australian's political journalist Jeff
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Speaker 3: Chambers also wrote today that the Australian Security Intelligence Organization
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Speaker 3: ASIO was drafted in only if the department requested higher
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Speaker 3: level assessments. In fact, most electronic visitor visas were issued
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Speaker 3: after an online questionnaire basically self assessment. By contrast, humanitarian
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Speaker 3: visas refugee visas that Ed Hughesick said would take too long, well,
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Speaker 3: they would have involved extensive biometric checks, face to face
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Speaker 3: interviews and intelligent screening. None of that has happened in
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Speaker 3: most cases here and in further proof that the visa
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Speaker 3: process has been rushed and inadequate is the fact that
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Speaker 3: twenty three people were issued visas they were on their
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Speaker 3: way to Australia when they were canceled. The process has
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Speaker 3: been chaotic to say the least. Now, the Coalition asked
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Speaker 3: the Prime Minister why his government security assessments have been
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Speaker 3: far weaker than our Five Eyes counterparts, which have required
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Speaker 3: face to face interviews.
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Speaker 11: Why have we fast tracked visas for nearly three thousand
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Speaker 11: people from the terrorists controlled Gaza war zone since October seven?
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Speaker 11: Yet our allies like the UK have taken in one
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Speaker 11: hundred and sixty eight in the United States only at seventeen.
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Speaker 11: Many cropable countries require face to face interviews in third
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Speaker 11: countries or biometric tests to apply for vv conditions that
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Speaker 11: Albanese government has waived. Was this decision based on security
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Speaker 11: advice or political expediency?
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Speaker 3: Well, the Prime Minister again just wouldn't answer the question.
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Speaker 3: The Albanese government is shockingly naive about the risks they're
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Speaker 3: imposing on Australians.
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Speaker 2: It's inexplicable.
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Speaker 3: The Australian Newspaper's editorial today makes this critical point. Egyptian
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Speaker 3: President Abdel Phatta Elsisi has warned that any mass exodus
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Speaker 3: of Gazans would risk bringing militants into Egypt's Sinai Peninsula,
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Speaker 3: from where they might launch attacks on Israel, endangering the
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Speaker 3: two countries forty year peace treaty, and Jordan, with its
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Speaker 3: large Palestinian community, has been similarly reluctant to open up
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Speaker 3: to Gazans. So have other Arab states. That has lessons
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Speaker 3: for mister Albanesi and mister Burke as they put out
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Speaker 3: the welcome mat So that from The Australian's editorial, But
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Speaker 3: it seems Albineasi is uninterested in learning lessons from Gaza's
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Speaker 3: closest neighbors.
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Speaker 2: He appears driven.
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Speaker 3: By his lifelog pro Palestinian activism, activism that has seen
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Speaker 3: him personally as an MP protest outside the American Embassy
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Speaker 3: at a rally where Israeli and American.
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Speaker 2: Flags were burnt.
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Speaker 3: It's my belief that's what drives him, along with his
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Speaker 3: desire to remain in the plum job of Prime Minister.
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Speaker 3: Now a job he only hopes to retain if Labor
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Speaker 3: doesn't lose marginal seats in western Sydney. All right, James
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Speaker 3: Patterson will be on the show a little later, but
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Speaker 3: let's bring in now former Victorian Liberal Party president Michael
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Speaker 3: Kroger and Labor legend Graham Richardson. Welcome to you both. Michael,
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Speaker 3: having a look this and we've just learned. I've just
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Speaker 3: reported that senior police and law enforcement agencies in New
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Speaker 3: South Wales are highly concerned about the inadequacy of the
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Speaker 3: Albanese government security vetting and the lack of consultation.
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Speaker 2: Do you think that the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 3: Has overseen here a flawed security process.
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Speaker 6: Well, there's no doubt about that. I mean, what do
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Speaker 6: you think Asia knows more than the CIA in America,
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Speaker 6: who've got tentacles all over the world. The CIA, you know,
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Speaker 6: like all security organizations, makes mistakes, but it'll know far
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Speaker 6: more about what's going on in the Middle East than
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Speaker 6: the NASO. And as you've reported, the Americans have taken
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Speaker 6: seventeen people, we've taken thirteen hundred. So I regret to
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Speaker 6: say I draw the same conclusion that was drawn in
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Speaker 6: the Parliament this afternoon. This was Albanisi and the former
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Speaker 6: minister Giles. Don't forget all these All these people came
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Speaker 6: here under Giles when he was the minister, this disastrous
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Speaker 6: minister who they sacked. This has been done to shore
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Speaker 6: up three labor seats in New South Wales and that
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Speaker 6: is a disgrace and shame on you, Albanisi. By parting
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Speaker 6: from every other developed country in the world. And you know,
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Speaker 6: from what I can see, this's only looks like seven
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Speaker 6: or eight countries now we had four last week. I
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Speaker 6: can only get to seven or eight who have taken
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Speaker 6: refugees from Gaza. Now Chechner ranks number two. It seems
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Speaker 6: to have taken two hundred in Italy one hundred and
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Speaker 6: fifty six. I'm not sure about the UK numbers in
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Speaker 6: Australia at thirteen hundred. Shame on you, elbow Richo.
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Speaker 3: The coalition has really put the heat on alban Ezi.
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Speaker 3: Now for a second week in a row in Parliament.
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Speaker 3: Do you think this issue is resonating with voters.
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Speaker 12: Not yet, but that doesn't mean it won't. If it
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Speaker 12: continues for another week or two, then I think people
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Speaker 12: will start to take notice. I think Arbo has gotten
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Speaker 12: away with it so far, but you never get away
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Speaker 12: with it forever in this game.
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Speaker 3: Do you think that's right, Michael, that voters don't recognize
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Speaker 3: at the moment. I think the message is getting through
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Speaker 3: to mainstream Australians. They see the aggression and violence that
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Speaker 3: we've had in our streets for months now, and they're
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Speaker 3: already worried about social cohesion, and they hear that Hamas
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Speaker 3: sympathizers might be coming into the country. They hear that
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Speaker 3: the security process is flawed. I think this would be
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Speaker 3: a concern.
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Speaker 6: What do you think, No, Well, I think people draw
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Speaker 6: the line. I mean, you know, we all agree that
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Speaker 6: there should be a freedom to demonstrate. But over the
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Speaker 6: last number of months, Australians have decided overwhelmingly, and you've
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Speaker 6: seen polls that these demonstrations of Jewish hatred have crossed
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Speaker 6: the line between what's acceptful and what's not acceptable in
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Speaker 6: the democracy. People are well attuned to this issue in
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Speaker 6: this country. Everyone's been hearing about the war in the
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Speaker 6: Middle East since October, since that disgusting attack on Jews
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Speaker 6: on October seven. This is not an issue out of
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Speaker 6: the blue, and so people are actually well attuned to
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Speaker 6: what's happening and now they're hearing that we are such
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Speaker 6: an outlier on bringing people from guars that no other
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Speaker 6: country in the world is doing six times the next
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Speaker 6: biggest number. No, I think people are well attuned to
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Speaker 6: this issue. Certainly they are in Victoria. And even though
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Speaker 6: this state is traditionally voted labor, it's going down very
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Speaker 6: badly here. Albow has crossed the line between stretching people's
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Speaker 6: tolerance and belief in wanting to do the right thing, compassion, etc.
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Speaker 6: But when they see that we are way beyond anyone else,
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Speaker 6: the answer is no. It's resonating big time around this country.
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Speaker 3: Richard Will the Prime Minister, eventually have to properly explain
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Speaker 3: how this security process has.
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Speaker 2: Worked or if it hasn't.
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Speaker 3: Is he going to have to houn to review into
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Speaker 3: people who are already here and whether they should have
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Speaker 3: been issued visas?
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Speaker 12: Yeah, well the pressure is going to be on him,
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Speaker 12: and I think the pressure will continue to rise, and
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Speaker 12: so he's going to need a circuit breaker of some kind.
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Speaker 12: A review perhaps would be the answer, but something will
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Speaker 12: have to be done. He can't simply sit back and
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Speaker 12: allow things to go on as they are. Because I
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Speaker 12: think Labour's losing ground over.
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Speaker 3: This, all right, let's have a look at the chaos
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Speaker 3: inside the Liberal Party and two GB host Ray Hardley
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Speaker 3: launched a scathing attack on two Liberals over this embarrassing
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Speaker 3: council fiasco. He says the pair are cowardly for not
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Speaker 3: fronting up in public about this.
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Speaker 13: Have a listen, stop sending me text messages. Cowardly letting
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Speaker 13: me be your mouthpiece. Get on the air now and
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Speaker 13: tell the left of your party you've had a gutful
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Speaker 13: of them. You know who you are. From the right,
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Speaker 13: Anthony Roberts, Alistair Henskins, come on, get on here and
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Speaker 13: challenge them.
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Speaker 3: And Roberts and Henskins have since that denied that they
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Speaker 3: were trying to undermine their leader, Mark Speakman's leadership. Michael
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Speaker 3: is a former party president yourself, you must be looking
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Speaker 3: at the Liberal Party in New South Wales in utter dismay.
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Speaker 6: Well, obviously this was a complete stuff up and everyone
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Speaker 6: knows that. Unfortunately it happens in politics. I mean, this
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Speaker 6: was unforgivable. Obviously we all know that. That's just starting
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Speaker 6: the obvious. But you know, the New South Wales division
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Speaker 6: electorally have not had such a bad record over the years.
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Speaker 6: They certainly been in government in the state a lot
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Speaker 6: more than we have, and they won more seats than
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Speaker 6: we have and most of the country, I might add,
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Speaker 6: So whilst the organization's got some issues, you know, electorally,
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Speaker 6: of their performance hasn't been all that bad. I might
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Speaker 6: add though, that I saw this guy, George Newhouse, I
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Speaker 6: think it is who's drumming up, drumming up support for
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Speaker 6: a class section. Well, is he the same Blake who
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Speaker 6: was the Labor candidate.
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Speaker 2: For Yes, yes, yes it is.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's right, that's right, that's right. So the Blake.
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Speaker 6: So any Liberal counselor who hasn't had their nomination put
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Speaker 6: in and who's quite rightly extremely aggrieved and angry about
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Speaker 6: what happened, please don't fall for the bit of falling
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Speaker 6: into this bloke's trap of him being a great community servant.
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Speaker 6: I mean, he's a Labor Party operative and no one
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Speaker 6: should give him any any work whatsoever on this issue.
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Speaker 6: For goodness sake.
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Speaker 3: Tony Abbott of Courses Us All weighed in. He says
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Speaker 3: that the Liberal Party president Don Harwin's position is untenable.
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Speaker 2: Rich O, do you think he has to go?
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Speaker 3: Do you think potentially Mark Speakman also needs to accept
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Speaker 3: some responsibility, seeing as he was warned that this was happening,
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Speaker 3: that there was chaos in this process.
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Speaker 12: Well, I think the president's got to go. I don't
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Speaker 12: see any way that he can possibly survive. He and
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Speaker 12: Richard Schiels, I think are finished, and I'd hope that
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Speaker 12: they would see to it pretty quickly. Just go, because
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Speaker 12: I don't think when the whole world knows you've up mightily,
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Speaker 12: there's not much point and continuing on stubbornly pretending that
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Speaker 12: it's all okay, because it's not and it's not going
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Speaker 12: to be okay. So you know, they've got their share
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Speaker 12: of difficulties and I'm delighted to see it.
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Speaker 3: Frankly, Now, the reason this matters, the reason this matters,
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Speaker 3: is so that counsels aren't overtaken by Greens and other
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Speaker 3: radical counselors. And just to prove this point, have a
18:29
Speaker 3: look at this social media video from a Palestinian activist.
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Speaker 2: His name is hush Taya.
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Speaker 3: Some of you will know who he is, and he
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Speaker 3: wants to run for Merrybick Council.
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Speaker 14: Have a look when I announced that I'll be nominating
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Speaker 14: to run as a counsel of Marybick so many Zionists,
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Speaker 14: their sympathizers and.
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Speaker 15: Bigots wrote comments like running for councils about waste management,
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Speaker 15: running for councils about filling potholes.
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Speaker 14: I do care about all that. It's always important to
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Speaker 14: take the Ribish out.
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Speaker 3: And it goes on and on with content that's equally
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Speaker 3: as offensive as that. The Herald Sun reports that he
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Speaker 3: plans to run as an independent Michael. This is why
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Speaker 3: the council issue matters, so that voters do have the
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Speaker 3: option to vote for the Liberal Party, that they aren't
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Speaker 3: left with a council that's run by radicals and the.
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Speaker 6: Greens and people like him, who, if I'm not mistaken,
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Speaker 6: isn't he the same blake that was involved in a
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Speaker 6: number of anti Jewish demonstrations around Corfield one particular night,
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Speaker 6: he was involved in one implying implying that Jewish people
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Speaker 6: might have been involved in burning down his Hamburger.
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Speaker 3: Jeweys the exactly and of course that wasn't it. It
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Speaker 3: is the same guy. It wasn't the case at all,
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Speaker 3: as police the Jews, it.
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Speaker 6: Wasn't the Jews up, it wasn't the Jewish. What a shock,
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Speaker 6: what a surprise. So of course these council. These council
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Speaker 6: elections matter, but we have people like this putting his
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Speaker 6: head up and let's type the good people of that
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Speaker 6: council area reject him because he doesn't even live in
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Speaker 6: the area, although.
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Speaker 2: He says his business is in the area.
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Speaker 3: Day two of the Democratic National Convention, we saw Barack
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Speaker 3: Obama speak he backed in Kamala Harris while slamming Donald Trump.
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Speaker 14: Have a look, here's a seventy eight year old billionaire
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Speaker 14: who has not stopped whining about his problems since he
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Speaker 14: wrote down his Golden Escalator nine years ago. It has
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Speaker 14: been a constant stream of gripes and grievances that's actually
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Speaker 14: been getting worse now that he's afraid of losing the
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Speaker 14: common There's the childish nicknames, the crazy conspiracy theories, this
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Speaker 14: weird obsession with crowd sizes.
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Speaker 3: I mean, the convention was as much about Trump as
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Speaker 3: anything else, Richo, not many policies to speak of. And
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Speaker 3: on the Obamas, I got the sense that they had
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Speaker 3: hoped Michelle might run this time, but now, of course
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Speaker 3: they've thrown their full support behind Kamala.
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Speaker 16: Well.
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Speaker 12: I think a lot of us, me certainly, would love
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Speaker 12: to have seen her run I think she's a spectacularly
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Speaker 12: good polly. Even though she's not in politics full time,
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Speaker 12: she certainly knows how to make a speech that's very,
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Speaker 12: very political, and so I think she would have been
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Speaker 12: a tremendous candidate that having me said, I'm a fan
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Speaker 12: of Harris's. I think she's doing well. I think she'll
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Speaker 12: beat Trump, and I think she'll beat Trump comfortably, and
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Speaker 12: I think that'll there silence a lot of people who
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Speaker 12: have really i think, gone out after in a way
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Speaker 12: that I've found quite distasteful.
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Speaker 3: Well, I think in American politics, nothing's left on the table.
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Speaker 3: People are going after Kamala just as in just as
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Speaker 3: strong a way as they are going after Trump. But Michael,
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Speaker 3: there is an issue that you know, there are concerns
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Speaker 3: about the substance and the policies behind Kamala Harris. What
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Speaker 3: is she stund for, what is her policy platform? Of
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Speaker 3: course none of this has been developed because she came
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Speaker 3: to the candidacy so late in the peace.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's interesting watching that convention today. I think that
22:29
Speaker 6: audience are just in shock. But I don't think they
22:32
Speaker 6: can believe that Kamala Harris has been competitive and in
22:35
Speaker 6: many polls in front of Donald Trump. I think they
22:38
Speaker 6: all know she's pretty ordinary. She's been a hopeless vice president.
22:42
Speaker 6: She's trying to airbrush Biden out of history, so as
22:44
Speaker 6: she wasn't there for the last three years. I just
22:46
Speaker 6: think they're totally stunned that the American public have fallen
22:50
Speaker 6: for this sort of three card trick of you know,
22:53
Speaker 6: it's great, isn't she laughing and smiling? It's a new era,
22:56
Speaker 6: et cetera, et cetera. I think Trump's support is very
23:00
Speaker 6: deep seated. There are hard Trump voters. I think a
23:03
Speaker 6: lot of her support is very skin deep. And while
23:08
Speaker 6: she's in front at the minute, there's the possibility that
23:11
Speaker 6: her campaign will collapse. And what we've seen so far
23:16
Speaker 6: is CNN, the New York Times and MSNBC protect her
23:20
Speaker 6: from this, not giving any interviews. Can you imagine a
23:22
Speaker 6: leader here not giving an interview for months. I mean,
23:24
Speaker 6: you wouldn't get away with it in Australia, they've protected her.
23:27
Speaker 6: But even thoughy now are going to have to come
23:29
Speaker 6: to the realization that she's going to have to give interviews,
23:31
Speaker 6: you're going to have to debate Trump, and once she's
23:33
Speaker 6: out there having to answer questions, I think she's in
23:35
Speaker 6: a world of trouble because we've all seen her answer
23:38
Speaker 6: questions in the past and it ain't pretty and it
23:40
Speaker 6: ain't deep.
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Speaker 3: No, I agree, and it's also going to be fascinating
23:45
Speaker 3: what happens with RFK Junior. I'm going to come back
23:48
Speaker 3: to that a bit later in the show with the
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Speaker 3: New York Post reporter. All Right, Michael Kroger, grah and Richardson.
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Speaker 2: Great to see you as always on a Wednesday Now.
23:58
Speaker 3: Environment Minister Tanya Plibasak has sparked outrage this week after
24:02
Speaker 3: her decision to block a billion dollar gold mine. This
24:05
Speaker 3: eleventh hour move shocked everyone involved. It was done on
24:09
Speaker 3: Indigenous heritage grounds despite both state and federal departments giving
24:14
Speaker 3: it the green light. Plibisk has defended her decision.
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Speaker 2: Have a look.
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Speaker 17: Crucially, I have I'm a good a Section ten declaration
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Speaker 17: and sixteen percent of the toll project fopprint and that
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Speaker 17: sixteen percent is on the headwaters and the screens of
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Speaker 17: the billow Loba Bar.
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Speaker 3: But Shadow Indigenous Australians Minister jess Enter Price has slammed
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Speaker 3: the move.
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Speaker 18: It's utterly disgraceful that Minister Plibisk has determined to ensure
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Speaker 18: that eight hundred and seventy jobs do not go ahead,
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Speaker 18: that Indigenous Australians from the Orange area will miss out
24:57
Speaker 18: on economic development within their region. We know that the
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Speaker 18: Orange Land Council, who are the legal authority to speak
25:06
Speaker 18: on this particular issue on issues of development within their region,
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Speaker 18: had voiced no concern with this project going ahead now.
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Speaker 3: Scott Morrison's former Press secretary Andrew Carswell wrote in The
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Speaker 3: Nightly that Plebersac is emerging as the single biggest threat
25:23
Speaker 3: to the Albanese government's tenuous hold on majority rule. He
25:27
Speaker 3: says the wrecking ball that albaneze never expected nor countenanced.
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Speaker 3: And Andrew Carswell, our regular guest on the show. He
25:35
Speaker 3: joins me, now, Andrew, good to see you again. Look,
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Speaker 3: we'll get to the specifics of this gold mine in
25:40
Speaker 3: a minute, but I just want to start with the
25:42
Speaker 3: politics of all of this, because clearly Albanezey wanted to
25:46
Speaker 3: sideline plebisc He views her as a rival threat to
25:50
Speaker 3: his leadership. He didn't want her to pose a threat,
25:53
Speaker 3: and yet how is she now emerging as a problem
25:57
Speaker 3: for him politically.
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Speaker 19: Tania Pliti Seca was effectively banished to Siberia After the
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Speaker 19: twenty twenty two election, she was the key rival in
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Speaker 19: New South Wales on the left. She did support Bill
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Speaker 19: Shorten against Albanesi in an earlier leadership spill. She was
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Speaker 19: someone that Alberanzi did not want anywhere near his leadership
26:27
Speaker 19: or the key leaders within cabinets, so she was banished
26:31
Speaker 19: to the outer ring of the government. She was saddled
26:34
Speaker 19: with an environment policy which usually is an innocuous policy,
26:37
Speaker 19: but suddenly it's not so innocuous, and suddenly we are
26:40
Speaker 19: seeing environment policy front and center in the national debate,
26:45
Speaker 19: and it's a feisty debate, and Tanya is in front
26:49
Speaker 19: and center in that. And the government wants to talk
26:52
Speaker 19: about cost of living, they want to talk about the economy,
26:54
Speaker 19: but they're instead talking about environment laws and changes to
26:59
Speaker 19: the environment laws, particularly around approvals called nature positive. That
27:03
Speaker 19: is hogging the spotlight from what the government wants to
27:05
Speaker 19: talk about.
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Speaker 3: And you've seen this close up because you are a
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Speaker 3: lobbyist representing some of these groups that have come up
27:13
Speaker 3: against Tanya Plibisek, you know, with huge fights over policy.
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Speaker 2: I want to look at the detail of this gold mine.
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Speaker 3: So a leading indigenous group in Orange had said there
27:23
Speaker 3: were no issues at all. But then another rival group
27:27
Speaker 3: and it's been described in media outlets as a green radical,
27:30
Speaker 3: has expressed concerns. It appears that Plibisek has sided with.
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Speaker 19: Them yes and put out on Friday and night just
27:40
Speaker 19: before the TV newsers. So it just escapes into the ether.
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Speaker 19: But what a decision this was. I mean, what it's
27:48
Speaker 19: effectively called in indigenous circles is mob shopping. It's where
27:52
Speaker 19: governments look for the one splinter group of indigenous leaders
27:56
Speaker 19: to get a decision out of and ignore the others. Now,
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Speaker 19: the Orange Aboriginal Land Council, who govern this area are
28:05
Speaker 19: very happy with this project. It would deliver six hundred
28:08
Speaker 19: and seventy jobs, it would deliver a huge amount of
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Speaker 19: investment into the local community. They're happy with the project.
28:14
Speaker 19: It went through the Department of Environment, it ticked all
28:17
Speaker 19: the boxes, and then suddenly we get this last minute
28:20
Speaker 19: decision from a minister based on the whisperings, the whisperings
28:25
Speaker 19: of one or two indigenous leaders that said there may
28:28
Speaker 19: have been some secret thing that happened at this site,
28:31
Speaker 19: but we don't know what the details are because it
28:33
Speaker 19: is a secret. And the minister herself said you can't
28:35
Speaker 19: reveal those details because it is too sensitive.
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Speaker 3: What message does this stand about investment in Australia when
28:44
Speaker 3: you can't trust a minister or a government's approval process,
28:48
Speaker 3: when it appears to be so unreliable.
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Speaker 19: Well, this is why the minister herself is emerging as
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Speaker 19: a threat to the Abanezi government's ten years hold on
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Speaker 19: majority rule, because it will extract its whole politically, particularly
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Speaker 19: in Wa. I mean, this project's a long way from Wa.
29:07
Speaker 19: But if there's one state that knows the connection between
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Speaker 19: the mining community and economic outcomes for their state, it
29:15
Speaker 19: is Wa. It is Queensland, it is Tasmania, where projects
29:21
Speaker 19: are so intrinsically linked to the economy. So when things
29:24
Speaker 19: like this happen, people get nervous, Proprietors of projects get nervous.
29:29
Speaker 19: The bar goes up in terms of what they need
29:31
Speaker 19: to leap over to get projects off the ground, and
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Speaker 19: investment doesn't come into the country to see those projects
29:37
Speaker 19: get off the ground.
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Speaker 3: All right, Andrew Carswell, good to see you again.
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Speaker 2: Thank you.
29:42
Speaker 3: Now still to come on the show. Albanezy slammed over
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Speaker 3: an off color joke at a private dinner last night.
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Speaker 1: Not the live expert we've made sure it.
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Speaker 2: Was dead and that was about the meal that was eaten.
29:58
Speaker 3: Plus James Patterson, it's the pressure on labor for failing
30:01
Speaker 3: to get Asio involved in guards and visas. And he'll
30:04
Speaker 3: join me after this quick break.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back.
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Speaker 3: Well, the Prime Minister has finally today admitted that a
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Speaker 3: number of the three thousand visitor visas granted to Palestinians
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Speaker 3: in the wake of the October seven attacks have been canceled,
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Speaker 3: but he continues to defend his process. I spoke with
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Speaker 3: Shadow Home Affairs Minister James Patterson about this a little earlier.
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Speaker 3: James Patterson, thank you so much for your time.
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Speaker 2: Great to be with you now.
30:36
Speaker 3: Police in New South Wales have expressed concern about the
30:40
Speaker 3: inadequacy of the visa process and the security vetting. They're
30:44
Speaker 3: concerned that it could be risking community safety. Law enforcement
30:49
Speaker 3: in New South Wales also say they're frustrated because they
30:52
Speaker 3: haven't even been consulted by the Albanese government. What do
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Speaker 3: you make of these concerns from senior police.
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Speaker 4: So this is a hugely significant story. It's effectively a
31:04
Speaker 4: vote of no confidence by New South Wales police in
31:07
Speaker 4: the Albanesi government's handling of immigration, national security and community safety,
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Speaker 4: and no wonder because it's police who are on the
31:15
Speaker 4: front line who have to deal with the consequences of
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Speaker 4: a rushed and inadequate vetting process that the Albanezi government
31:21
Speaker 4: has put in place since the seventh of October in
31:24
Speaker 4: handing out almost three thousand tourist visas to people leaving Gaza,
31:30
Speaker 4: an average time of just twenty four hours, and some
31:32
Speaker 4: instances as quickly as one hour, far faster and in
31:35
Speaker 4: far greater numbers than any of our like minded allies
31:38
Speaker 4: around the world. So I am not surprised that police
31:40
Speaker 4: are alarmed, but it is very concerning.
31:43
Speaker 3: Home Affairs has admitted to me that almost all of
31:45
Speaker 3: the applicants did apply through an online electronic process. How
31:50
Speaker 3: far I do you think these checks can be When
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Speaker 3: they're being approved in as little as one hour.
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Speaker 4: It's not possible to do an identity verification loan, a
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Speaker 4: security check on someone leaving a war zone control by
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Speaker 4: a terrorist organization in as quickly as an hour or
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Speaker 4: even twenty four hours. And it is very illustrative that
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Speaker 4: every single one of our Five Eyes partners, that all
32:12
Speaker 4: of our democratic allies and friends around the world have
32:14
Speaker 4: adopted a very different approach. Even Canada, which says they
32:18
Speaker 4: ultimately hope to resettle up to five thousand people, has
32:21
Speaker 4: only taken in a fraction of that a tenth of
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Speaker 4: what Australia has in the six months since the seventh
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Speaker 4: of October. Because they are taking the time to get
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Speaker 4: it right, and they are granting them refugee in humanitarian visas,
32:34
Speaker 4: which have higher levels of security screening, not tourist visas.
32:37
Speaker 4: The Abaneza government has taken a globally unique approach to
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Speaker 4: this issue. It's a very brave thing to do, and
32:43
Speaker 4: I fear there'll be consequences for our national security.
32:46
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
32:47
Speaker 3: Look, the Prime Minister keep saying in Parliament every day
32:50
Speaker 3: that he trusts the intelligence agencies, he has faith in
32:54
Speaker 3: them to get the process right. But James, hasn't it
32:57
Speaker 3: become clear that actually Azio is and vetting every single visa.
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Speaker 4: I trust our intelligence agencies too. The person I don't
33:06
Speaker 4: trust is our Prime Minister. And his performance in question
33:09
Speaker 4: time last week and this week on these issues has
33:12
Speaker 4: only deepened my mistrust in him, because he's failed to
33:15
Speaker 4: be upfront, he's failed to be honest, he's failed to
33:18
Speaker 4: answer basic factual questions, and he's deliberately obfuscating when it
33:22
Speaker 4: comes to questions like how many cases are being referred
33:25
Speaker 4: to ASIO or not. Mike Burgess has already answered this question.
33:28
Speaker 4: It is settled. We know not every case is being
33:30
Speaker 4: referred to ASIO, and the Prime Minister won't acknowledge that.
33:34
Speaker 4: But he's very careful with his language to make sure
33:36
Speaker 4: that he's not accused of misleading the House this week,
33:39
Speaker 4: as he was caught out doing last week.
33:41
Speaker 3: There's this extraordinary situation where apparently it's okay to have
33:45
Speaker 3: people come to Australia and live here, become citizens who
33:49
Speaker 3: have rhetorical support for a terrorist organization.
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Speaker 2: Do you think this is problematic?
33:56
Speaker 3: And it's just at its very fundamental level, how would
33:59
Speaker 3: this change the fabric of Australian society.
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Speaker 4: It's hugely problematic, Shari Frankly, I think we have enough
34:07
Speaker 4: problems in our country already when it comes to record
34:11
Speaker 4: levels of anti Semitism, when it comes to extraordinary strains
34:14
Speaker 4: on social cohesion before we go adding to those problems
34:17
Speaker 4: by bringing in people who will exacerbate them because of
34:20
Speaker 4: the views and the values that they have. I mean,
34:22
Speaker 4: if we were really traveled as a country by the
34:24
Speaker 4: scenes that we saw at the Sydney Opera House on
34:27
Speaker 4: the ninth of October, or the rally in Western Sydney
34:30
Speaker 4: on the eighth of October that celebrated the worst massacre
34:33
Speaker 4: of Jews since the Holocaust, then we wouldn't be bringing
34:36
Speaker 4: in people who also shared those views and in fact
34:38
Speaker 4: may have even more extreme views and stronger support for Hamas.
34:42
Speaker 4: That seems like an entirely counterproductive thing to do if
34:44
Speaker 4: you're genuinely concerned about social cohesion, as the Prime Minister
34:47
Speaker 4: claims to be. What we should be doing is having
34:49
Speaker 4: a high standard for who we bring to this country.
34:51
Speaker 4: We're a very attractive country. There are millions of people
34:54
Speaker 4: around the world who'd like to come, and we're entitled
34:56
Speaker 4: to say that we want the best of the world
34:58
Speaker 4: coming to Australia, not people who support listed terrorist organizations
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Speaker 4: and their atrocities.
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Speaker 3: What do you think it says about the visa process
35:07
Speaker 3: that twenty three Australian visas were issued to Palestinians that
35:11
Speaker 3: were then counseled while the people were en route to Australia,
35:15
Speaker 3: they were already on their journey here.
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Speaker 4: Well, this blows apart the Prime Minister and Tony Burk's
35:22
Speaker 4: defense of the government that all adequate security checks took
35:25
Speaker 4: place before visas were granted. By definition, if you granted
35:29
Speaker 4: visa and then subsequently cancel it, not all adequate checks
35:33
Speaker 4: were done in the first place. And it sounds like
35:35
Speaker 4: from media reporting that in some instances it was just
35:38
Speaker 4: a matter of hours or even minutes that these visas
35:41
Speaker 4: were canceled before people got on planes. Now, while that's important,
35:44
Speaker 4: is had they been out to get on those planes,
35:46
Speaker 4: had they come into our country. They are very difficult
35:48
Speaker 4: to deal with once they're here because they have access
35:50
Speaker 4: to our legal system and can tie it up in
35:52
Speaker 4: knots for years. So if they did pose a risk,
35:55
Speaker 4: we would be stuck with them until the legal system
35:57
Speaker 4: resolved their status. That is the risk that this government
36:00
Speaker 4: has exposed us to by not doing this properly, as
36:03
Speaker 4: we did with the Syrian and Afghan intakes, of taking
36:06
Speaker 4: people to third countries, having face to face interviews, conducting
36:10
Speaker 4: biometric screening, they're the kind of things that you need
36:12
Speaker 4: to do if you want to make sure you're not
36:13
Speaker 4: bringing in a risk to our country.
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Speaker 3: Look, these Palestinians coming from Gaza have been brought in
36:20
Speaker 3: on visitor visas, so this is intended for people who
36:24
Speaker 3: might be visiting family members in Australia. It doesn't include
36:28
Speaker 3: Medicare or other taxpayer funded support, so they come here
36:31
Speaker 3: and visit a visas, but then quickly we know about
36:34
Speaker 3: four hundred and then quickly have been transferred to bridging
36:37
Speaker 3: visas so they can access taxpayer funded support. Are you
36:42
Speaker 3: concerned that this initial use of visitor visas is in
36:46
Speaker 3: fact fraudulent.
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Speaker 4: It was totally improper for the government to grant tourist
36:52
Speaker 4: visas for people who the Minister for Home Affairs has
36:55
Speaker 4: publicly admitted have no prospect of returning to Gaza anytime soon.
36:59
Speaker 4: They should have been a says for refugee visas and
37:01
Speaker 4: if they met the threshold and passed the test then
37:03
Speaker 4: they could be welcomed in Australia. But if they don't,
37:06
Speaker 4: then they shouldn't and that hasn't happened here. And the
37:08
Speaker 4: problem is it's ultimately Australians who will pay the price
37:11
Speaker 4: of this. We've calculated that if all three thousand are
37:14
Speaker 4: converted to permanent visas or refugee visas in this country
37:18
Speaker 4: after having first been granted tourist fizs that over four
37:21
Speaker 4: years that will cost the Australian tax path three hundred
37:23
Speaker 4: million dollars. Frankly, I think in the middle of a
37:25
Speaker 4: cost of living crisis, the appetite of the Australian public
37:29
Speaker 4: to pay that level of support to people who came
37:31
Speaker 4: here improperly on tourist vizs is going to be very low.
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Speaker 3: All right, this is a very serious issue. You've been
37:37
Speaker 3: at the forefront of raising these questions, James Patterson.
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Speaker 2: Thank you very much for your time.
37:43
Speaker 4: Thank you, Sherry.
37:45
Speaker 3: And after the break, growing calls for The New York
37:48
Speaker 3: Times to sack a journalist who leaked a list containing
37:52
Speaker 3: the private details of hundreds of Australians.
37:55
Speaker 2: The legal action is heating up.
37:57
Speaker 3: Plus Albinizi gets farmers off site after an off color
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Speaker 3: joke at a private dinner. We'll play you the full
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Speaker 3: recording next Welcome Back with the Prime Minister has been
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Speaker 3: criticized for a tone deaf joke about killing off the
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Speaker 3: live export trade at a black tie dinner last night.
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Speaker 10: Here he was when we had dinner, beautiful Australian beef,
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Speaker 10: not the live export.
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Speaker 1: We've made sure it was dead.
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Speaker 3: And that was said in front of a room full
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Speaker 3: of farmers. At least one tweeted to criticize him. Let's
38:36
Speaker 3: bring in tonight's political panel, National Senate Leader Bridget Mackenzie
38:40
Speaker 3: and Labor MP Josh Burns Bridget. According to The Nightly
38:44
Speaker 3: which has run this audio, farmers were offended by this
38:48
Speaker 3: joke because it's a soul point in a major way
38:52
Speaker 3: that the live sheep trade has been killed off by
38:54
Speaker 3: the Albanese government. What did you make of his failed
38:58
Speaker 3: joke there?
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Speaker 20: Yeah, Look, Shari I was in the room at the time.
39:04
Speaker 20: There are over six hundred rural and regional Australians there
39:08
Speaker 20: to celebrate women in agriculture and our leaders. And for
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Speaker 20: the PM to give such a tone death response about
39:16
Speaker 20: the live cattle trade, I thought was appalling, particularly in
39:21
Speaker 20: the light of when he made that comment, he was
39:24
Speaker 20: talking about his dinner he'd just had previously with the
39:27
Speaker 20: Indonesian incoming leader. And when you remember the last time
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Speaker 20: Labor was in government, they shut down a live cattle
39:34
Speaker 20: trade and shut off protein to our nearest neighbor Indonesia,
39:39
Speaker 20: which caused quite the crisis and we're still mopping up
39:42
Speaker 20: from at an economic and a social level. This government
39:46
Speaker 20: has cut the live sheep trade in WA, which is
39:50
Speaker 20: an appalling decision and he's having repercussions right throughout Western Australia,
39:55
Speaker 20: not just primary producers, but our truckees and the sub
40:00
Speaker 20: herbs of Perth are appalled by this behavior and for
40:03
Speaker 20: him to joke about it, says this Prime Minister thought
40:06
Speaker 20: he was speaking and had to apologize about live export
40:10
Speaker 20: as if he were speaking to Marrickville vegans instead of
40:14
Speaker 20: a group of people packed into a parliament House who
40:17
Speaker 20: are very proud of our red meat trade, including our
40:21
Speaker 20: live export trade.
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Speaker 3: Josh Burns, do you think it's understandable that farmers are
40:26
Speaker 3: annoyed by this?
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Speaker 16: Well, good evening, Shari and good evening bridget Look. I
40:32
Speaker 16: don't think the Prime minist and meant any offense by
40:34
Speaker 16: his comments. I would say a couple of things. One
40:37
Speaker 16: is that no, obviously we support Australian agriculture and Australian businesses,
40:42
Speaker 16: but at the last election we made it clear that
40:44
Speaker 16: we were going to end the live sheep export. There
40:47
Speaker 16: were industry was already shrinking dramatically, and that they were
40:50
Speaker 16: given plenty of opportunities to clean up their Act. There
40:53
Speaker 16: was too many instances where they did that, Josh our Bridge,
40:58
Speaker 16: I promise you, I won't interrupt you, but let me
41:01
Speaker 16: finish my sentence. And so there were plenty of chances
41:05
Speaker 16: for the live sheep industry to clean up their act,
41:09
Speaker 16: but there just wasn't a safe way of taking these
41:11
Speaker 16: sheep across to the Middle East and the soaring heat.
41:13
Speaker 16: I mean, it was torturing these things. So we said
41:15
Speaker 16: what we were going to do, and we did exactly that.
41:17
Speaker 16: We've put the legislative date to twenty twenty eight. We've
41:21
Speaker 16: created a package of transition for industry. I know it's
41:23
Speaker 16: hard for a lot of people, and I don't celebrate that.
41:26
Speaker 16: I mean, I know it's a difficult decision and that's
41:27
Speaker 16: what government is sometimes. But we said we were going
41:30
Speaker 16: to do it and we did it.
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Speaker 3: Bridget do you think if the coalition won the next election,
41:36
Speaker 3: you might overturn that ban?
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Speaker 20: Oh? Absolutely, We've already made that commitment. If we had
41:43
Speaker 20: the great honor and privilege of being in government again,
41:46
Speaker 20: we will be overturning that ban.
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Speaker 6: But what Josh.
41:48
Speaker 20: Completely misses the point here. The reality is the Prime
41:52
Speaker 20: Minister was talking about Australian beef when he joked about
41:57
Speaker 20: the issues with live export, as if there was something
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Speaker 20: to be ashamed of that it was okay to eat
42:03
Speaker 20: avatar beef but not live export beef. And that is
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Speaker 20: the appalling decision. Everyone is appalled by the keep the
42:11
Speaker 20: sheep the sheep ban. But the fear is that the
42:16
Speaker 20: Labor Party has the same view about our cattle trade
42:19
Speaker 20: and our cattle trade keeps our nearest neighbor, Indonesia in clean, green,
42:24
Speaker 20: aussy beef and protein, which which is exactly what they need.
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Speaker 3: And there have been reports that activists the thin edge
42:31
Speaker 3: of the wedge. There have been reports that activists might
42:34
Speaker 3: start to target beef expots next. Josh, I just want
42:38
Speaker 3: to ask you about the CFMEU reports this week that
42:42
Speaker 3: it's threatened a new Jewish community have been Sydney on
42:45
Speaker 3: behalf of a major construction company. It's threatened to bring
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Speaker 3: protesters to the Hakawa Club in Sydney.
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Speaker 2: What do you think of.
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Speaker 3: This threat from the CFMEU And does this show that
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Speaker 3: they're an aggressive union.
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Speaker 16: It's absolutely appalling Shari and there's no place for it.
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Speaker 16: I mean, it's trying to intimidate really a hub that
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Speaker 16: celebrates Jewish life in Sydney and in Australia. The Hakoa
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Speaker 16: Club is not an outpost of the Israeli government. It's
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Speaker 16: a Jewish community institution here in Australia and for the
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Speaker 16: CFMU to try and intimidate them over a dispute over
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Speaker 16: building contracts is absolutely unacceptable. It's intimidatory and I called
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Speaker 16: it out at the time and I repeat it now tonight.
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Speaker 16: There is no place for that sort of sort of
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Speaker 16: mixing of the Middle East conflict with targeting of Australian communities.
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Speaker 16: And you know, there is a very clear word for
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Speaker 16: that shari and that is anti Semitism.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, especially on a construction site. Bridget final word on
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Speaker 3: the CFMEU here.
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Speaker 20: Well, it's great to say the Labor Party calling out
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Speaker 20: the anti semitism of the CFMU. I wish they do
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Speaker 20: it for the university students. I wish they'd do it
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Speaker 20: in Western Sydney suburbs where we're seeing this type of behavior,
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Speaker 20: you know, targeting and attacking Australian Jewish community, and they
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Speaker 20: need to do more of it instead of just saving
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Speaker 20: it for the CFMU.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, good point. I'm sorry both of you that we're
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Speaker 3: out of time tonight book. Great to see you, Bridget Mackenzie,
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Speaker 3: Josh Burns, thank you so much. Now, after the break,
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Speaker 3: we're going to have a look at the news that
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Speaker 3: six hostages have been recovered from Gaza, plus the news
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Speaker 3: that RFK Junior might be dropping out of the race
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Speaker 3: and siding with Trump, and how Kamala Harris has split
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Speaker 3: the coalition behind her.
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Speaker 2: New York Post reporter would join me next.
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Speaker 19: Well.
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Speaker 3: RFK Junior is said to be considering dropping out of
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Speaker 3: the presidential race and even throwing his support behind Donald Trump.
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Speaker 3: There are reports that his campaign may have run out
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Speaker 3: of money. Columnist for the New York Post David Kaufman
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Speaker 3: joins me now, good to see you, David. Look, RFK
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Speaker 3: has been accused of splitting the Democrat vote, so if
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Speaker 3: he dropped out, there's the possibility some Democrats would return
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Speaker 3: to Kamala, But then, of course he could also bolst
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Speaker 3: the Trump support. How do you think this would play out.
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Speaker 15: Well in the wake of the Democratic National Convention which
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Speaker 15: is going on right now, and the way in which
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Speaker 15: Kamala Harris has really stolen the wind out of Donald
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Speaker 15: Trump's sale a former president. Trump really needs a win
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Speaker 15: right now. He needs to make some news, he needs
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Speaker 15: to get back into the action and the endorsement by RFK. However,
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Speaker 15: that really kind of pans out in the end, I
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Speaker 15: think would be a big, big, go, very long way
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Speaker 15: towards making that happen, to giving him a return to
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Speaker 15: the news cycle and helping him ensure that he maintains
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Speaker 15: his visibility and momentum right now at a moment where
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Speaker 15: Kamala has really dominated everything.
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Speaker 3: Right now, Well, let's turn to Chicago. Day two of
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Speaker 3: the Democratic National Convention has wrapped up. You've written a
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Speaker 3: column that the coalition behind Kamala could be about to split.
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Speaker 2: Explain this.
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Speaker 15: Yeah, so I wrote a piece in the Telegraph yesterday
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Speaker 15: focusing on news that came out of you know, TikTok
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Speaker 15: and social media last week that black groups and UH
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Speaker 15: pro Palaciting and black groups had begun to show conflict
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Speaker 15: and friction with Arab pro Palaestine Arab groups. Which is,
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Speaker 15: there's been this long time, very vocal connection and affinity
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Speaker 15: between Black groups supporting the Palastinian cause and Arab groups
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Speaker 15: who have really depended upon them to booy their their
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Speaker 15: their their their their prominence. There's been now this conflict
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Speaker 15: brooming because many of these black UH influencers and TikTokers
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Speaker 15: who've been supporting the Palician cause are now under pressure
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Speaker 15: by these Arab groups, these these Arab influencers to denounce Kamala,
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Speaker 15: to commit not voting for Kamala, to saying that they're
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Speaker 15: going to UH not support her because she is perceived
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Speaker 15: as supporting the genocide, supporting supporting the Palatinian cause. Even
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Speaker 15: though she has called for a cease buyer, she has
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Speaker 15: not called for an arms And so these Arab American
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Speaker 15: tiktoker's influencers are basically demanding their African American counterparts, who've
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Speaker 15: been supportive and in solidarity with them since October seventh,
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Speaker 15: not to vote for Kamala Harris because she is not
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Speaker 15: one hundred percent on their side or on the right
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Speaker 15: side when it comes to the Palestinian issue. Naturally, for
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Speaker 15: these Americans, especially women, you know, Kamala Harris's candidacy is
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Speaker 15: a historic moment. They very much intend to vote for her,
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Speaker 15: and they're questioning why can't they support Kamala Harris and
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Speaker 15: support Palestinians in Gazo. Why must it be either or all?
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Speaker 2: Right?
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Speaker 3: I just want to end with this heartbreaking news overnight
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Speaker 3: that the bodies of six is Raeti hostages were recovered
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Speaker 3: from Hamas tunnels during an Israeli operation. David, what do
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Speaker 3: we know about this operation and the hostages who were
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Speaker 3: killed by Hamas?
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Speaker 15: Yeah, so it's actually a personal connection. I went to
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Speaker 15: one of the keyboard scene a couple months ago and
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Speaker 15: was given a tour by the Metsican family. The son
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Speaker 15: who's now their father has been identified and his body
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Speaker 15: has been brought back, So you know, there was an
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Speaker 15: operation in Communists to bring back these these bodies. They
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Speaker 15: were being held in tunnels as have as are most
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Speaker 15: assumed the hostages who are still unaccounted for, six of
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Speaker 15: them have died, and it's just another sort of a
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Speaker 15: nail in the hearts of Israel right now, more bad news.
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Speaker 15: It also shows the commitment to which the IDF maintains
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Speaker 15: to rescuing and retrieving as many Israelis as possible, whether
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Speaker 15: they're dead or alive. As for Israelis, as much as
48:37
Speaker 15: it's extremely important right now that they bring home to
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Speaker 15: live life hostages, returning the bodies for a proper Jewish
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Speaker 15: burial is paramount to have enclosure for these families many
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Speaker 15: of which including the met family. Not only were was
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Speaker 15: this father kidnapped, but the mother was kidnapped as well
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Speaker 15: as she was.
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Speaker 2: All right, David, will have to leave it.
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Speaker 3: They really appreciate you joining us. Thank you, thank you,
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Speaker 3: and everyone at home. I see you tomorrow at eight o'clock.
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Speaker 3: But up now, poor Murray