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Divine Intervention With JAKE TAYLOR From IN HEARTS WAKE · HEAVY Music Interviews

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  Yeah. My name is Jake Taylor. I am the vocalist and manager of
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  ienharts Wake, self managed band, and our new album Incarnation, which is
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  out July twelfth, is our latest record, and it's a culmination of heck,
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  you know, a career since we were teenagers, putting it all together.
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  This is our I think it's our sixth record, and this is essentially
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  our first record as a four piece, and it actually serves as a sequel
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  to Divination, which came out twelve years prior. It tells the other,
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  the other half of the coin. Very good, Jake, We have got
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  a lot to get through rather, but thanks for joining us today. Good
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  to be here. So what the album Incarnation is out on July the trol
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  th, which is actually this Friday, mate, So she's not too far
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  away now. Like how you feel a bit about it? Like at this
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  stage you're nervous, you're anxious, you're excited, whatever shall be shall be?
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  Yeah, none of those things. It's more just like the hurry out,
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  let's go, like, you know, get everyone caught up to speed.
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  There's really where it's at. There's no anxious or nervousness because I know
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  how it's I know how it plays out. I know how it sounds and
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  how it feels. I can't control what everyone else thinks, but I just
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  want to get it out there, so we're all on the same page.
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  Yes, So tell us a bit more about it from a musical point of
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  view and what you're actually going for with it. Yeah, so with the
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  flip side of the coin, you know, we've always we've been known for
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  sort of diving into being melodic, having clean vocals and flipping to heavy,
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  whereas this is just doubling down on heavy, And it's doubling down on heavy
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  as a necessity and an and a desire. It's where the world is at,
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  to be fair, like we feel the world is at, there's heavy
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  shit that needs to be spoken about. And also it serves as a function
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  that we have an exit of a member who served as a clean vocalist and
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  so we really wanted to paint in, you know, being then forced into
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  the heavy corner. What are all the shades of heaviness that we can explore
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  to the nth degree and really deliver something that we're excited about and it doesn't
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  sound monotonous track by track, Yeah, it actually sounds like there's a lot
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  of thought would have actually got into it to deliver that bro Like was it
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  something you sort of sat down and planned in stages or does you want it
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  come naturally? I guess coming naturally initially. And then you start looking at
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  okay, water, all our ingredients that we're cooking with, and perhaps you
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  know, what what do we what would make this a better cake? You
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  know, like, what are we what are we missing? I think?
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  And that's when the back quarter that that last quarter you really have to then
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  hone in to to help color it in. So it's a bit of a
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  balance of both things. You might laying off the food analogy. It's a
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  bit broke. I haven't had breakfast yet. You're making me hungry taking breakfast
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  I do when I got children. That's my excuse where everyone can relate to
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  food. That's probably why I go to the food analogies. And I love
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  food as well. I've got Italian Italian roots, so I can't help it.
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  Yeah, true mate, we can't argue with that one. So today
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  you've released three singles, Orphan, Farewell and Hollow Bones, So just say
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  that's all someone's heard of in hearts wak pretty much like, are they good
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  representation of what do you expect from the whole album? No, in a
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  word, first of all, Farewells, Farewell's not on the record. Farewell
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  is a no, no, they don't follow us. Farewell's just like getting
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  out of the way of letting the world the world, letting our fans know
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  where Carl is head and why he is not going to be on this record,
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  and really panning a picture as we descend into into head in this madness,
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  darkness, whatever you want it to be. And so you're seeing the
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  film clip where we're headed. Now we've given Hollow Bone as sort of the
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  stake in the ground as four as a four piece delivering like what we feel
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  is a really fast, energetic and solid song and it's got to in.
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  It's got a hook where we deliver it as a band singing it. And
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  then counter to that, man, there's like the madness and the craziness and
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  how twisted and dark and unexpected. I think that what we can do,
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  and that's awtuen. So they're kind of I wouldn't say that they're both polar
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  opposites. One's problem in the middle and whither one's just real deep down and
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  then we're going to paint in all between and around that. So yeah,
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  it's a hint of what's to come, but it doesn't summarize the whole album.
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  How would about It actually a bit difficult choosing the singles because you want
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  to showcase your new newer direction, I guess in a way, but you
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  also want to pick the best songs on the album. So how did you
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  find that balance? I think it all comes down to storytelling and narrative.
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  Whilst you've got to put sonically strong songs forward, what story are you telling
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  around that? Why? Like, it's not just hey, here's the best
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  song from ABM, go check it out. It felt like, no,
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  this is us as a four piece, like doing the melodic chorus as a
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  four piece, but normally one guy would and that to us was our reclamation
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  of the band, and it felt really really important to show that we can
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  do melody as for as well as being a solid song that we all liked
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  and was catchy. That was really important to get off on that foot,
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  to not throw people too much of a curveball to begin with and just have
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  people go, well, what do what do I make of this? And
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  then following that up you can really deep dive into the weirdness. Yeah,
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  col Now you touched on this a bit before made but your big quote to
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  say that Incarnation is the shadow counterpart to the band's debut, Divination, So
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  yeah, actually mean by that. What I mean by that is like,
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  you know, look at any coin you say heads or tails and you flip
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  it. Not that anyone, not that one's good and one's bad by any
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  means, but they're definitely different that they're definitely different modalities, but they're of
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  the same beast. Same with the yin and yang symbol we're all familiar with.
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  They're one and the same, but they're very much different. So,
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  look, Divination is the innocence and sort of you know, big white eyes
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  at the world and just just just writing songs and getting it out there to
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  a degree, and like it was very strong that it had this youthful innocence.
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  I think didn't have the maturity that I feel that Incarnation has. And
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  so being the shadow counterpart and going as heavy as possible, we're telling all
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  of the stories that are all quite inversed and flipped and very I don't want
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  to say negative, but like there's a lot of hard stuff we're talking about,
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  rather than the joys of traveling the world, which which we spoke on
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  in Divination. So that's what I mean by the Shadow count Shadow Counterpart.
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  So it's more of a musical, like a sonic thing, rather than the
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  album being connected lyrically or what's thematic, it's connected thematically because if we have
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  time for that. Look, there's twenty two major major arcana tarot cards.
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  So for those that don't know Lovers, the Devil before the Magician, these
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  are like, these are archetypal cards and characters if you will, that are
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  found in Lord of the Rings, to June, to Star Wars, whether
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  it's Yoda, Gandalf, whether it's Frodo or Luke Skywalker anyway, or Veda
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  being the bad guy, you know, the Emperor whatever. So these are
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  all found in the archetypes. Yeah, and when you flip a tarot card,
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  if you're having a taro reading, there's the there's the light and the
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  shadow of the story of those you know, those characters. For instance,
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  you can step to the you know, to put it lightly, you can
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  step into the dark side of something and have it be in excess of something
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  you're too much you know in this or you can be in the flip side
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  of that saying you're in need of it, you're needing that, you're calling
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  that in. Divination was all the neat they're calling it in, and they're
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  very much stepping into the light of everything in the stories and the lyrics.
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  And then on Incarnation, it's all the it's all the flip side. It's
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  fear, it's the it's the pain, it's the trauma. It's very much
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  in the dark side the inverse, not to say that it's bad, it's
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  just needing to address it and look at it. And that's where we're looking
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  at all the shadows, right, And if anyone wants to find out more
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  about that or go a bit more in depth, you've actually created a website
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  of ANUE where people can interact and find out that sort of stuff. Yeah.
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  Yeah, the website is essentially telling more of the story of each card
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  relating to each song. So there's eleven cards on the album Incarnation, and
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  you can flip and turn over each of the cards and they reveal clues,
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  puzzles, or bits or pieces behind the album which speak to that song.
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  So, and is that just through your regular website or have you set up
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  something you can. You can access it through our regular website if you click
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  on the tarot tab of I meanheartswake dot com. Otherwise you can access it
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  via Incarnation dot inheartswake dot com directly. Well, you mentioned the word inverted
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  a few times, which is quite quite relevant when you look at the track
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  listing of the album, because you've got the song site or then you've got
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  in brackets, you've got something upside down or inverted. So tell us a
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  story by that man. It's quite interesting. Yeah. Yeah, So in
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  the same way that I was speaking about the I don't like to use the
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  positive or negative the light or the shadow of each card when when the card
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  is flipped, it speaks to the shadow when it's upside down. Okay,
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  so if you get a card that's upside down, it's going to it's delivering
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  you the shadow meaning but potentially look at Yeah. So when it came to
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  putting the song that the tarot cards in brackets next to each song title on
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  Divination, they're all upright, they're all regular for people to read the lovers
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  the full on this they're all upside down, which was a neat discovery.
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  That we found we could we can still do, you know, like Spotify
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  and Google and all the all the you know, just regular text to type
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  because there's no buttons on your keyboard where you Yeah, but there was a
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  way to do it where it's still it still is red and it can be
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  done. So then it was this really great way of translating and interpreting the
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  code behind each song. Right, So are those shadow meanings from the actual
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  tarot readings or are they something that you've made up to go with the song
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  titles? Ah? No, No, each each cards, each card,
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  like, we had a tower reader, which is my mum's a tower reader,
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  so we had her just double check, double double checking what you know,
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  we need to. I've done some study on this, so I was
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  really making sure that each card was speaking to the story of what's being told.
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  Yeah, and you know how had my let's just say, the tower
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  reader. So it's not just my mum, but you know, we had
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  a tower reader go over that to really make sure that it was speaking to
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  each card cards inverse meaning yeah, so cool. Now you mentioned that you've
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  done this is a four pace piece with Kyle leaving the band mate, so
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  the whole actual album was done without Kyle, Was it correct? Yeah?
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  And now, way, what was that experience like he's been there for a
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  while, Like, was it it would have sort of felt like one of
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  your feet was missing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no,
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  it definitely did. It was more Yeah, it wasn't. It wasn't so
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  much a foot was missing. It was it was like different energy in the
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  room that maybe like balances things out like slightly. You don't sort of know
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  why or what's going on and what it What it meant for us was rather
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  than just being like, oh, we're a man down, it was had
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  it we actually have to step up as four and find that missing ingredient.
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  And so there was a lot of communication around that, like, dude,
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  we'd have we'd have like weekly check ins and stuff this how everyone's going,
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  Like how's this feeling where you're at? And I think I feel like that
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  process really helps us actually come closer than together than ever before as a band,
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  because we had to there was a need and necessity to. Yeah,
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  and he always did clean cleans his bro It's so like, a ye,
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  got to actually look at replacing that from outside or are you just going to
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  go in the heavy direction? And drop the cleans pretty much all together.
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  We've only just started that for this album, right, meaning we don't know
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  what the next We don't know what the future has for writing music. If
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  we start writing songs and if it's coming from a place of this, I
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  can't unhear this without someone, then it won't be a replacement because like you
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  can, we never look for a like singer like Kyle. It would have
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  to be something unique and offering something different that fans haven't heard that could deliver
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  a clean a clean voice. So we're open to it is the answer,
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  but it's not fixed by any means. You know. Let's say this just
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  goes down really well. Everyone loves the heavy way loving, and we just
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  want to write more heavy shit and then we'll just keep following that. How
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  about the dynamics for you? They rot like you're used to having that clean
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  to sort of bounce off, I guess, and you know, like give
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  you a bit of a respite. But how is whole process of recording for
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  you without that there? It was very challenging because I couldn't fall into like
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  crutches and laziness, Like not that I get lazy, but you get the
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  palette refresh when you go to a clean so then you can get away with
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  not get away with it. You can go back to your strong voice that
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  you delivered before the chorus, because and by strong voice, I mean like
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  you just bait your baseline, your baseline middle range thing. But if you
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  if you're screaming and doing stuff all the way through, you've got to find
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  something new then to refresh it for coming back to that. And so it
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  just meant we had to work harder to be smarter. That was sort of
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  how we approached that, and yet was challenging because there was no time to
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  hang up the tower. Like it was like, Okay, we finished performing
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  that part and I've got to perform the next part and we've got to think
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  about it and we've got to work on it. We've got to try a
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  new voices. And so it was just relentless. It would be cool.
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  Now we're gonna have to wind this up, bro, because you've got a
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  few interviews today, but we have to make mention. I've a chore you've
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  announced as well for Incarnation, which kicks off on September five in Newcastle.
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  You go through Sydney, Brisbane, Melbourne, Adelaide and Finish Your Birth on
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  September fourteen, and he got some pretty special guests with you too are here?
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  Yeah, yes, we do King eight ten. I'm just gone for
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  that first because David, the singer of King, he's on the record.
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  He screams on a song called Michigama. It's I'm not going to pick favorite
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  guests on the record, but he definitely delivers something very creative and maniacal,
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  which is really sick as of a spot. We've got Powfay Swiss, who
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  are the main support who we were listening to a lot must making this record,
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  and they're just super heavy and blowing up in Europe and America. And
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  then Australia's Grave Mind, who are very technically heavy and proficient band at what
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  they do, and we just felt like we needed to bring a band who
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  was well seasoned and well oiled and who deserves a tool like this. Okay,
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  that's a great lineup. Ro like King ate ten and themselves would be
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  great. But that's wrote three great supports. He've done well, thanks man.
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  Yeah, look, it's a reflection of the of the heaviness and the
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  darkness of this record. They speak to the way the sort of the tunnels
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  on which we're going fantastic and what's next for in Hearts Wake after that?
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  Bro, like I reckon, you're going to be as busy as I am,
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  if not more. Yeah, well hopefully not with six and a nine
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  year old as well to boot just yet. Yeah, we're going to be
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  busy. We're we're Look, it's it's to see what comes because it feels
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  like we're relaunching a whole new band to a degree, and so we need
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  to see we need the right tools will present themselves to ideally go back to
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  the rest of the world. We are going to America this year after that
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  incarnation Australian to it. But in terms of getting to Europe and returning to
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  America and what's next in Australia that's gonna it's going to play out when the
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  record comes out. Well, if that's the case, mate, you should
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  be traveling the world for the next ten years because she's a fucking good record.
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  Bro Yous have done well thanks to well look, we'll see I don't
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  it's a quality not quantity at this point for the band as well, like
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  it's got to be it's got to really makes sense indeed right the tours we
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  do wait well, Lucky for everyone, Incarnation is out this Friday, July
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  twelve, so they can have a listen to themselves. And I bet you
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