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- 0:00New call him out in the National Post titled hydromorphone pill Season. It's three
- 0:06thousand percent after safer supply expansion, with the National Post learning that police leaders
- 0:12in London, Ontario, have known for months that staggering amounts of sofer supply
- 0:17opioids are being diverted to the black market, yet they failed to publicly disclose
- 0:23this as a national debate has been ongoing, leading to questions about the police
- 0:29service about the safer supply program, and one person who keeps a close eye
- 0:34on that is the founder and director of the Center for a Responsible Drug Policy.
- 0:39Adam Zvo joins me right now, Hey, Adam, how you doing,
- 0:42Helliam good? Thanks for having me back on the show to talk about
- 0:44this. Yeah, thanks for joining me here. Three thousand percent, that's
- 0:47not a small number. No, no, not at all. So essentially
- 0:51I received an email from the Deputy Chief at London Police Service and in that
- 0:57email he basically said that in two thousand and nine seen less than one thousand
- 1:00hydromorphone bills received in London. Then that increased sharply in twenty twenty, which
- 1:06is the same year that safe supply access was dramatically expanded. He didn't spetify
- 1:10exactly what Sharply meant, but what he did say is that by twenty twenty
- 1:12two, six thousand bills were seized, and by twenty twenty three, thirty
- 1:18thousand bills were seized. So over the course of just a few years,
- 1:23coincidentally, when safe supply was made available in London, we saw a three
- 1:27thousand percent increase in hydromorphone feizures. Now these numbers may not mean a lot
- 1:33to many people, but we have to keep in mind that just three of
- 1:37these pills is enough to induce an okioid overdose and an inexperienced user, for
- 1:42example in a teenager if you snort them for example. So these thirty thousand
- 1:48pills is the equivalent of ten thousand overdoses for young Canadians. And as doctor
- 1:53Sharon Koivu, who's an addiction specialist in Toronto in London, who's been soundingly
- 1:59alarmed about this for years, said, this is only a drop in the
- 2:02bucket compared to the total number of pills that are diverted and which aren't confiscated
- 2:08by the police. So why would these pills be diverted, what's the purpose?
- 2:15What are people I guess diverting them for well, the problems that our
- 2:19safe fleck programs are really poorly designed. So hydromorphone is an opioid that is
- 2:23as potent as heroin, and we use that as a potential alternative for people
- 2:29who are using illsted fentanyl. The idea is that if a drug user is
- 2:31using local fentanyl, they don't know what's in it, they don't know if
- 2:34it's contaminated, they don't know the dose, and they might kill them.
- 2:36So we give them bottles and bottles and bottles of hydromorphone instead. But the
- 2:39thing is that sentinel is fifty times stronger than hydromorphone or heroin, So if
- 2:46you're a heroin addict, even if you get huge amounts of hydromorphone, it's
- 2:51not going to do much for you. Even the federal government has conducted studies
- 2:55which show that maximal doses at most will maybe manager withdraws. So in this
- 3:01case, you do the rational thing, because addicts are still rational people in
- 3:06many ways. They have irrational ends because of the addiction, but they know
- 3:08how to rationally pursue those ends. They sell their hydromorphone on the street at
- 3:13dirt cheap prices because they get these drugs for free to make money to buy
- 3:17Sentinel, and so they flood surrounding communities with hydromorphone. They get like thirty
- 3:23or forty pills a day, and then these pills are disproportionately acquired by people
- 3:29who have lower opioid tolerances because those the people that these pills will work for.
- 3:34And they often get into the hands of youth because you don't know what
- 3:38hydromorphone is. They know that heroin will mess up your life, and they
- 3:43don't want to inject heroin because kids don't want to experiment with intravenous drugs.
- 3:47But if they're at a party and someone hands them a pill and they say
- 3:51it's hydromorphone, and they say it's just a prescription pain medication that is given
- 3:54for free by the government and it's marketed at faiths, then they try it
- 3:59and then they get it did and then they graduate to sensinal which then kills
- 4:01them. Now you spoke with the president of the London Police Association, that's
- 4:05their union, and what did you find out from him? Well, so
- 4:10he told me back in January that it was common knowledge amongst frontline officers in
- 4:15downtown London that safer supply was being diverted, and that was the first time
- 4:18that I considered the possibility that the London Police Service, the actual department itself,
- 4:24wasn't being totally honest. Now, around this time, a credible source
- 4:28told me that the London Police Service was actually afraid of going public about diversion
- 4:32because they didn't want to deal with the backlash that could come from social service
- 4:38agencies dealing with addiction homelessness. I didn't include that in the final article though,
- 4:43so I could already tell by January that there was a lack of transparency
- 4:47here. Now you sort of pulled teeth a little bit when it came to
- 4:53sending over some detailed questions to the London Police Service trying to get this information
- 4:58out of them. What was that process like? What happened? Well,
- 5:00so in early April I saw that they had done a drug seizure that included
- 5:05about ten thousand hydromorphone bills eight bilograms, which is the exact dosage use for
- 5:11safe supply. And when you have that volume of pills, it's pretty obvious
- 5:15that there's a safer supply connection unless it's counterfeit. But that doesn't usually happen
- 5:19in this case, and so I three days later I emailed London Police Service
- 5:25and I told them, hey, you know, you can you let me
- 5:28know is this seizure related safer supply? You know? If so, how
- 5:32do you know what indications do you have about safe supply diversion in general?
- 5:36And they didn't get back to me for three weeks. They stonewalled, and
- 5:41I followed up several times and got nowhere. And then eventually I said,
- 5:44hey, can you give me a clear timeline because I suspect that you guys
- 5:46are stonewalling me. And the next business day, the deputy chief you know,
- 5:51got on the phone with me called me, and after that call I
- 5:56got a sense well basically, it promised that he would send over some data
- 6:00measuring diversion. And then another month passed and nothing happened. I didn't get
- 6:04the data, and then I emailed them again and I said, I'm writing
- 6:08a column about this for next week and I'm going to publish the column regardless
- 6:12of you guys answer, so please answer by the deadline. And only then
- 6:15when I applied that pressure tactic, that they give me the data that I
- 6:17just mentioned. With this three thousand percent increase. At that point I pushed
- 6:24a bit more. They said they could speak more openly about this. At
- 6:26the end of June, I took a guest and I thought that maybe that
- 6:30they were in the middle of an operation involving safer supply, which turned out
- 6:34to be true. And so last week I spoke with Deputy Chief again.
- 6:39He confirmed that safer sply diversion is a significant public safety issue. He said
- 6:46that this data hadn't come out earlier because of the lack of like an institutional
- 6:51culture of secrecy and poor data gathering practices, and he apologized. He actually
- 6:58admitted that when I first when I first approached the London Police Service in early
- 7:02twenty twenty three about diversion, I was told that there was no one who
- 7:06could speak about this, and they respect me to climb my request for answers,
- 7:11and I said, I think you guys were stonewalling me because at this
- 7:13point you already had data showing a six hundred percent increase. And he said,
- 7:16yeah, you know what, that seems like stonewalling And I'm sorry that
- 7:18was not cool, but I don't know who made that decision. Now you
- 7:24conclude your column with a question posed to the audience. What would have happened
- 7:30had the You know, I guess the population generally known that this information existed
- 7:35by the one London Police Service due to a lack of transparency, and I
- 7:40guess, according to their own spokesperson that they had an institutional culture of secrecy
- 7:45in the past. What does it mean, though, I suppose that this
- 7:47information wasn't made public when they first had it, and how does that contribute
- 7:53to the ongoing debate of safer supply in your opinion? Well, for eighteen
- 7:57months now, there has been a vigorous public debate about whether safe supply drugs
- 8:01are being diverted to the street or not. And for over a year now,
- 8:05dozens of addictions physicians have come forward and said that they are seeing this
- 8:11in their practice. They are begging the federal government to listen. They are
- 8:13begging the public to listen. And they've been told time and time again that
- 8:18they are just making all of this up, or that they are fear mongering,
- 8:22because this is what safe supply advocates do. They gaslight the public.
- 8:26They've gaslight the public about me. They told me that I was a liar,
- 8:30a fabulous, a grister, and because the London Police Service sat on
- 8:37this data despite the fact that there was a very loud public debate, it
- 8:41means that people didn't believe us, and that means that corrective action has been
- 8:46delayed. If we had cut down on safer supply and required more supervision and
- 8:52reforms a year ago, that would have meant tens of thousands, if not
- 8:56hundreds of thousands of pills being kept off the streets, which would have meant
- 9:00fewer teams getting addicted, and that would have meant fewer kids dying. Well,
- 9:03I want to thank you so much for coming on to discuss your most
- 9:07recent column here. Obviously it's a file that we're going to be keeping a
- 9:09close eye on, Adam. I appreciate your time. Oh, thanks for
- 9:13listening to me. Thank you very much. Adam Zivo is the founder and
- 9:16director of the Center for Responsible Drug Policy New Post call them out in the
- 9:20National Post. Hydromorphone pills seized in London skyrocket three thousand percent after safer supply expansion.