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Huddle Up Podcast: Wednesday, May 5 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: This is the Huddle Up Podcast with JP, Shadrick, Bucky Brooks,
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Speaker 1: and John Oshan. The Huddle Up Podcast starts right now.
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Speaker 1: Welcome in the Huddle Up Podcast. Today is Wednesday, May fifth, JP, Shadrick,
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Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks, John Osier a draft review on the docket
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Speaker 1: today and it's good to see you guys again on
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Speaker 1: the Official Jaguars Podcast Network, presented on Apple, iTunes, Spotify,
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Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcast. Give us the five
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Speaker 1: star treatment as always, Bucky, Welcome back to Jaguars Football. Hey, JP,
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Speaker 1: I've missed you guys, Like I feel like you guys
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Speaker 1: are having so much fun because I was looking in
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Speaker 1: on the coverage, the instant analysis, you and j O
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Speaker 1: just just serving up all kinds of stuff and I'm
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Speaker 1: just sitting there like, man, I felt like the kid
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Speaker 1: that was a punishment and everyone is playing outside and
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Speaker 1: I'm stuck to my own front yard. I couldn't come
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Speaker 1: out to play. I couldn't go out to play. You're
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Speaker 1: having all the fun. So what was going on? Like
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Speaker 1: what you had NFL Network Radio, You had all this
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Speaker 1: stuff going on, these grating shows. I mean, we had
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Speaker 1: a bunch of we had a post, had a bunch
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Speaker 1: of stuff. So Thursday night in the first round, when
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Speaker 1: you guys were like having a blast and I'm texting
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Speaker 1: you like, I'm I'm doing Fox Sports Radio with j Glas,
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Speaker 1: Kevin Burkhard and LaVar Arrington, which is cool. And then Friday, Saturday, Sunday,
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Speaker 1: I was doing NFL dot Com like instant analysis after
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Speaker 1: the drafts and when you guys were doing the recaps
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Speaker 1: and the pods and stuff, I couldn't get on. By
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Speaker 1: the time I got done, You're like, oh, dude, we're
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Speaker 1: we're already, We're on. We're on to the next one.
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I catch up with you on Tuesday, like
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Speaker 1: when we're Tuesday was day We're done. We're all done.
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Speaker 1: So now it was fun, but it was It was
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Speaker 1: really fun watching the draft with the Jaguars being the
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Speaker 1: lead right, being the number of the first pick in
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Speaker 1: the draft, kind of owning the draft with the early
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Speaker 1: picks in each round. It was just kind of funny
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Speaker 1: to watch that process and then the watch Coach Meyer
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Speaker 1: and and Trent Balky kind of working. I guess shop
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Speaker 1: at the brand name stores because that's what I what
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Speaker 1: I would equate it to. But it was fun. It
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Speaker 1: was fun to watch JP. I keep trying to figure
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Speaker 1: out when we had all this fun Bucky things we
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Speaker 1: had saw I saw you having fun after the pick.
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Speaker 1: It would pop up on Twitter than boom, I see
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Speaker 1: you got spaces and then all the other stuff. You
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Speaker 1: are running back and forth, and some of it I
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Speaker 1: couldn't hear, but I could see the smiling face. I'm like, man,
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Speaker 1: they having a party down there. They have a party
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Speaker 1: down there in Duval County. I missed the party, but
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Speaker 1: party came Saturday night and Sunday. And I'll say, that's right,
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Speaker 1: that's right. We've made up for for it. Um. But
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Speaker 1: certainly everybody was involved in the party. After the selection
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Speaker 1: of Trevor Lawrence, a quarterback out of Clemson, there were
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Speaker 1: about eight thousand people here Bucky for the draft party
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Speaker 1: in the stadium, socially distanced and Ashland Sullivan, who you know.
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Speaker 1: Of course, she was in there reporting for us and
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Speaker 1: said she saw grown men crying after the pick. True story.
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Speaker 1: And I mean it was a scene. It was an
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Speaker 1: emotional will seem like everybody knew it was coming, John,
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Speaker 1: and it still was an emotional moment because it's a moment.
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Speaker 1: This franchise never seen. As I told Ash, I cried
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Speaker 1: over the weekend too, but I cried most days. And
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Speaker 1: it's not about the draft, you know, it's it's more
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Speaker 1: about the sorry state of of me. But as a
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Speaker 1: Jags fan, I sort of get that emotion. And you're
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Speaker 1: so into it, and you've been, you know, frankly ridiculed
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Speaker 1: by a lot of people for so long, and and
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Speaker 1: there isn't us against them mentality this fan base has
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Speaker 1: and a lot of fans have been waiting for a
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Speaker 1: moment like that for a long long time. It shows
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Speaker 1: you the It could be argued that it's it's a
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Speaker 1: little twisted to cry, but I like that twisted element
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Speaker 1: of our fan base. JP I really did. I do too.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure Bucky does also. I mean, I'm with it. Look,
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Speaker 1: it's a it's a big moment, right, It's it's a
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Speaker 1: big moment. I saw a coach Meyer say, like the
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Speaker 1: number one picking in Jaguar's history, and I was like, well,
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Speaker 1: I mean, not not quite, not quite history, but yeah,
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Speaker 1: I mean, Trevor. Trevor is a big moment unless we
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Speaker 1: do in the official reset and everything previously doesn't matter.
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Speaker 1: But it is a significant moment because there's a relevance
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Speaker 1: that comes with taking Trevor Lawrence just because big time
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Speaker 1: star brand name coming in. We've heard about him since
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Speaker 1: he was a big time high school recruit. He goes
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Speaker 1: to Clemsony win the national title. Um, he's expected to
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Speaker 1: be the number one overall pick, and we get him,
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Speaker 1: and so now it's about all right, So we finally
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Speaker 1: got the franchise quarterback. You can make the argument that
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Speaker 1: we've never really had a five star quarterback in Jacksonville.
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Speaker 1: Now what does it mean? And so when you think
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Speaker 1: about the league man a quarterback driven league and super
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Speaker 1: Bowls being tied to the top quarterbacks, it gives us
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Speaker 1: an opportunity to dream about what could be, what could
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Speaker 1: be on the horizon for the franchise. I agree with
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Speaker 1: what I felt like was in Buckey's sentiment that there
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Speaker 1: are some drafts here in the nineties, especially the first draft,
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Speaker 1: in that I understand exactly what Urban saying. When it's
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Speaker 1: the biggest pick and it is the biggest pick, I
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Speaker 1: don't want to give short shrift to that draft because
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Speaker 1: there was something about everything being a first back then
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Speaker 1: that was very very important. So I don't, you know,
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Speaker 1: everything else will sort of equal that to me, if
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Speaker 1: you will. But that being said, the unbelievable opportunity and
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Speaker 1: the flashpoint, turning point sense of this pick JP. I
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Speaker 1: think you and I talked about it over the weekend
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Speaker 1: when Bucky was big time and they you could make
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Speaker 1: the argument, this is the biggest star to enter the
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Speaker 1: NFL since Peyton Manning entered the NFL. You know what
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Speaker 1: I mean by that, the brand being so established. Everybody
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Speaker 1: knew Peyton Manning was JP. I think you're old enough
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Speaker 1: to have remember his college years. Everybody knew Peyton and
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Speaker 1: the whole Eisman stuff. I mean, this was a huge
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Speaker 1: brand name to enter the league. I don't know that
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Speaker 1: there's been a bigger brand, a more well known superstar.
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Speaker 1: Everybody sort of loves this kid. Everybody knows who he is.
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Speaker 1: Has there been one since him? I mean, this is
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Speaker 1: the biggest star to enter league in twenty three years.
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Speaker 1: I think I'm not sure it's that close. Yeah, Mike
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Speaker 1: was Mike Vick. He was a big name, but it
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Speaker 1: wasn't this well YEA, and I guess the combination of
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Speaker 1: it big star, which I don't think anybody would doubt
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Speaker 1: the Lawrence is a star. Vic was a big star.
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Speaker 1: I mean, he was a big deal, but there were
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Speaker 1: questions about what that was going to look like, meaning
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Speaker 1: how well his game would translate a prototyp. I mean,
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Speaker 1: there was all sorts of stuff that you weren't quite
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Speaker 1: sure what kind of quarterback he would be, which I
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Speaker 1: think that was a fairly fair question all throughout his career.
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Speaker 1: A mega star, but you weren't sure that that was
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Speaker 1: going to be a great quarterback, and it turned out
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Speaker 1: to be Luck. Sort of the opposite of that. I
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Speaker 1: think with Luck, you knew. I don't think there's ever
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Speaker 1: been a quarterback. I've never seen a quarterback that I
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Speaker 1: knew for sure it was going to be as great
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Speaker 1: as Andrew Luck. When he was coming out, I was
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Speaker 1: dead sure he was going to be great, But he
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Speaker 1: wasn't quite the star that Lawrence and Manning were. Football
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Speaker 1: people loved Luck, but he had played at Stanford. They
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Speaker 1: had been on TV some, but there was not the
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Speaker 1: brand name of Andrew Luck. I don't think there's a
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Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence Bucky. I don't know if you see it
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Speaker 1: that way. Yeah, no, no, I think I see it
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Speaker 1: exactly how you see it. Trevor Lawrence is clearly a
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Speaker 1: bigger star than Andrew Luck was. Andrew Luck was celebrated
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Speaker 1: and lauded as a potential number one picked for a
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Speaker 1: long time, but he didn't have the star power. Some
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Speaker 1: of that has to do with, uh, Trevor Lawrence playing
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Speaker 1: on a big stage, winning a national title as a
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Speaker 1: freshman and having three years of that to continue to
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Speaker 1: build and establish his brand. There's something to that, and
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Speaker 1: let's be honest. Also, like Trevor Lawrence plays in the Southeast,
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Speaker 1: he doesn't play in the SEC. But Davo Swinney had
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Speaker 1: wanted to build a team that was SEC like, and
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Speaker 1: so the way they played, the brand of football, the
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Speaker 1: proximity from Clempson to Jacksonville, but really Clemson being a brand,
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Speaker 1: being a team that is always in the college football playoffs.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like we saw Trevor Lawrence every weekend,
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Speaker 1: particularly when it mattered, and the face of the sport. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and you always saw him at night it was yeah.
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Speaker 1: So so, so Trevor comes in with the level of
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Speaker 1: cash and recognition that we haven't seen since Payton Manning
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Speaker 1: inter the league because Peyton was there and Peyton went
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Speaker 1: back for that fourth year. He went back for a
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Speaker 1: senior year that even further establishes brand. And so Trevor
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Speaker 1: certainly is, and he certainly enders the league with a
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Speaker 1: different level of cash and some of these other number
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Speaker 1: one picks will enter. And Peyton didn't win the Heisman.
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Speaker 1: Think about that. I mean, that's crazy to go back
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Speaker 1: and think about that. Garls Wilson, that was the Charles
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Speaker 1: Woodson year. It was unbelievable. But Charles woods stick, and
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Speaker 1: that it does. He never told me that he couldn't
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Speaker 1: be Florida. He could darn shirt beat Alabama a fact.
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Speaker 1: Holy smokes. This is the Huddle Up Podcast j P Shadrick,
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Speaker 1: John Osher, and Bucky Brooks reviewing the Jaguars draft and
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Speaker 1: the second first round pick overall, Travis e t n
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Speaker 1: Trevor's teammate at Clemson the old time a C C
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Speaker 1: rushing leader. And you know he's said in his press
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Speaker 1: conference the day after that, you know, the last year
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Speaker 1: or two I really worked on trying to become a
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Speaker 1: more complete back out of the backfield, catching the ball, jugs,
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Speaker 1: masching extra time with Trevor throwing it to me. Paid
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Speaker 1: off because he's a first round pick. But it's, uh,
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Speaker 1: it's something that. You know, urban Meyer said, he's not
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Speaker 1: just gonna be a running back. We're gonna put this
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Speaker 1: guy all over the place. Bucky, can he do all
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Speaker 1: that stuff? Line up, outside, motion, backsfield, everything. Could he
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Speaker 1: be that Percy Harvin idea? Now, if he does that, yes,
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Speaker 1: he can be Percy Harvin. Because what Percy Harvin the
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Speaker 1: way they use him at Florida. I think that's the
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Speaker 1: best way to think about it. He was there h back,
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Speaker 1: meaning he touched the ball running back, he got it
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Speaker 1: on fly sweeps. They're throw him a bubble screen and
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Speaker 1: those things. I think that is a more valid comparison
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Speaker 1: then the Alvin Kamaras stuff that has been floated out there.
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Speaker 1: I don't see at the end as a guy that
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Speaker 1: is a pure route runner, natural pass catcher that he's
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Speaker 1: going to catch a hundred balls like Alma kamar or
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Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey. But what he is is someone who needs
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Speaker 1: to We need to have a touch meter, Like if
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Speaker 1: this was a game and we were producing it, there
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Speaker 1: needs to be a graphic in the corner that says
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Speaker 1: a t N touches. He needs to get it fifteen
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Speaker 1: times a game in some way safe a form to
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Speaker 1: make sure that he has an impact of the game.
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Speaker 1: I will say his speed is real. You can feel
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Speaker 1: his speed and you watch him on tape, and speed
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Speaker 1: translates to big plays. He is an explosive, big play back.
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Speaker 1: And I know, uh, Urban talked about a third down
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Speaker 1: back or whatever. Ay, I give that third down back
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Speaker 1: maybe two weeks of training camp and then and then
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Speaker 1: we'll see him kind of nudge James Robinson over a
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Speaker 1: little bit and get some of those number one reps
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Speaker 1: because he is a very talented player and you want
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Speaker 1: to give him every opportunity to have an impact of
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Speaker 1: the game. I think everyone will be utilized, but I
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Speaker 1: have a hard time thinking that we're going to go
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Speaker 1: games where he doesn't get at least fifteen touches in
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Speaker 1: some combination of carries and receptions JP. I may have
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Speaker 1: mentioned this on the show we do with Blucky during
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Speaker 1: the draft. I forget, but it's almost to me as
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Speaker 1: if all the questions I've gotten that are negative towards
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Speaker 1: E T. N are well, why did they take a
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Speaker 1: running back when they already have one? I almost think
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Speaker 1: you have to look at these guys is playing completely
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Speaker 1: different positions when they drafted E T N. I mean
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Speaker 1: exaggerating this because I haven't been in the draft room.
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Speaker 1: I almost think of it as they probably in their
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Speaker 1: minds had a handful of players where when they looked
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Speaker 1: at him, it was big play, speed guy, and it
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Speaker 1: didn't matter if it was a wide receiver or a
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Speaker 1: running back or whatever. That I don't know that RB
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Speaker 1: or w R played as much into their thinking as BP,
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Speaker 1: meaning big play. I don't think this was about need
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Speaker 1: in terms of positional but to me, it was about
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Speaker 1: need in terms of them saying we did not have
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Speaker 1: enough players who scared the pants off of defenses last year.
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Speaker 1: We need guys who scare people. And I think that
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Speaker 1: was what this pick was about more than it was
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Speaker 1: about position. And Urban said it after they asked him
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Speaker 1: what was the pick that got away? It was scarious Tony,
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Speaker 1: Like you know so, so I'm glad that you brought
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Speaker 1: it up. I didn't know Coach Mayer were so transparent
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Speaker 1: and say, hey, we had eyes on Darius Tony. But
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Speaker 1: if if you think about it, everything for him always
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Speaker 1: goes back to Florida and Percy Hart. When he builds
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Speaker 1: his offense, he builds it with that in that position.
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Speaker 1: The h back in mind, and the eighth back is
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Speaker 1: the best athlete, the most explosive player to occupy that role.
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Speaker 1: When he was at one on one matchups. One on
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Speaker 1: one creates stress for the defense, whether it's on fly sweeps, running,
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Speaker 1: getting it out to him, the ability to go deep,
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Speaker 1: all of that stuff. He did it with Percy Harvin,
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Speaker 1: he did it with Paris Campbell, Curtis Samuel those. There's
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Speaker 1: a certain type that he likes to occupy that position.
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Speaker 1: Travis Etienne, I bet was the next one. You know,
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Speaker 1: if they're going down the checklist, because Darius Tony, he's
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Speaker 1: off Okay et En and so even if Naja Harris
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Speaker 1: was there, Naja doesn't offer what et En would offer
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Speaker 1: as a running back because it's a running back. Plus
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Speaker 1: what else can you do? What else can you bring
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Speaker 1: to the table. It's about scoring points because we hear
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Speaker 1: him talk about scoring point explosive plays, big plays, speed
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Speaker 1: factors into that, and so that's why E T. N
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Speaker 1: had to be the pick for them about about both
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Speaker 1: of them on the field the same time at ten,
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Speaker 1: James Robinson, you know you gotta respect the speed outside
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Speaker 1: opens it up in the inside for Robinson a little bit. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I think I think that certainly is going to be
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Speaker 1: in play. But I'm gonna say this about Robinson. All
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Speaker 1: the stuff, the great stuff that Robinson didn't last year.
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Speaker 1: Robinson is going to have to convince this coaching staff
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Speaker 1: that he's really to do like those numbers or whatever.
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Speaker 1: Like some of them will view him like a bag
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Speaker 1: of potato chips, a lot of empty calories, right, so
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Speaker 1: they want to see how many of those rushing yards
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Speaker 1: in totals can he do with impact and value. So
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Speaker 1: early on he may get the night as the starter. Right,
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Speaker 1: let's just say he gets to Night as the starter,
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Speaker 1: But early on those first four games, he is going
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Speaker 1: to have to prove that he can be the RB
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Speaker 1: one to continue to stay in there. Because that running
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Speaker 1: back position for coach Meyer has always been one that
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Speaker 1: he's always had to do. And so the guy who's
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Speaker 1: the RB one has to be a legitimate dude that
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Speaker 1: we can imagine getting a hundred yards week after week
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Speaker 1: after week to really be the anchor of the offense. Well,
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Speaker 1: now you're speaking my language, Bucky. I know all about
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Speaker 1: empty calories. I know this is the Huddle Up podcast. J. P. Shaddick,
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Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks, John Osier. We moved along to day number two,
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Speaker 1: thirty third overall pick, and Trim Baky said, you know,
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Speaker 1: this is the one where the phonal ring some. But
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Speaker 1: it was pretty evident early that they were going to
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Speaker 1: make a pick at thirty three and you could never
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Speaker 1: have too many good, tall, fast cornerbacks. And they go
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Speaker 1: with Tyson Campbell, a guy who can play in and out.
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Speaker 1: But it feels like, here, guys, John, it's gonna be
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Speaker 1: an interior situation for Tyson Campbell and that's okay. He's
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Speaker 1: gonna be on the field a lot, I'll say quick,
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Speaker 1: and I got a Bucky's way. You don't want to
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Speaker 1: hear his thoughts on it. You need more than two
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Speaker 1: good cornerbacks. I said it all weekend. I cannot figure
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Speaker 1: out why people criticize the concept of this or or
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Speaker 1: why people thought that it mattered for C. J. Henderson,
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Speaker 1: because in the NFL right now, if you go into
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Speaker 1: a season thinking, Okay, I've got a couple of corners,
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Speaker 1: I'm good. Well you're gonna lose and your nickel cornerback
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Speaker 1: and this has been coming and growing stronger and stronger
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Speaker 1: and stronger for what the last ten fifteen years. Your
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Speaker 1: nickels a starter. If you don't have a good nickel,
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Speaker 1: you're losing third down all the time. It is a
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Speaker 1: really interesting situation, right because people will talk about that
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Speaker 1: because there was some pushback on the pick, like why
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Speaker 1: would it take a quantity just to see j Henderson
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Speaker 1: a year ago? Here's the thing, you build your team.
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Speaker 1: Two things. One we didn't know going in how much
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Speaker 1: impact and influence coach Meyer would have on the draft,
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Speaker 1: Like I just didn't know because Balki had been there
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Speaker 1: or whatever. But now if you go back and look
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Speaker 1: at the teams that Urban has constructed at Florida in
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Speaker 1: Ohio State, it would be easy to see that, oh,
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Speaker 1: he's gonna get a dB and he's gonna get one
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Speaker 1: high The best teams that he had at both of
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Speaker 1: those places had high end cornerbacks in the National Football
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Speaker 1: League and nickel about seventy percent at a time. And
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Speaker 1: so you have to have three guys that can start
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Speaker 1: that nickel. That third corner cannot be a throwaway, and
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Speaker 1: so you have to invest in the position. And when
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Speaker 1: you think about the way that Indianapolis plays, they can
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Speaker 1: use multiple wide receivers. Traditionally, the Texans have always been
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Speaker 1: uh an eleven personnel, one back, one tight in three
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Speaker 1: wide receiver. Team Tennessee can float in between eleven personnel
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Speaker 1: and traditional twelve personnel with two tight ends on the field,
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Speaker 1: you have to have long knuckle corners to be able
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Speaker 1: to match up Tyson Campbell c J. Henderson. It makes
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Speaker 1: sense to have those two young guys and then whoever
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Speaker 1: is the yell on the other side with the tre
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Speaker 1: Hernan or whoever like, you have to have three that
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Speaker 1: can play, and so it was really important that they
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Speaker 1: got that at that other corner. Let's move along now
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Speaker 1: to a little later on day two, another second round pick,
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Speaker 1: Walker Little, they tackle out of Stanford, and then in
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Speaker 1: the third round Andrew Cisco Andrew Andre Cisco excuse me,
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Speaker 1: out of Syracuse, the safety, and both of these guys
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Speaker 1: haven't played football at all while I mean Cisco gets
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Speaker 1: hurt early last year or the knee issue, and then
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Speaker 1: this is the rest of the season. Walker Little hasn't
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Speaker 1: touched the field and during your two years, by the
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Speaker 1: time this season comes around, he got hurt Earlyer nineteen
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Speaker 1: opted out this past year. So there's a little bit
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Speaker 1: of the I don't know roll of the dice, but you.
18:17
Speaker 1: You're trusting the tape and trusting the people who've been
18:20
Speaker 1: around these guys, and also the tackle six seven, three
18:25
Speaker 1: twenty and that never hurts and can move right, Bucky.
18:27
Speaker 1: I mean, they don't grow on trees. Now, they don't
18:30
Speaker 1: grow on trees. So now what we have talked about
18:33
Speaker 1: the recruiting aspect of how Urban you relied on his
18:38
Speaker 1: college experience when it came to the draft. In college,
18:41
Speaker 1: what you do is you always gamble on the talent.
18:43
Speaker 1: You gamble on the talent. Give me the best and
18:46
Speaker 1: most talented kid. My job is to develop him to
18:49
Speaker 1: maxim out to get him to that level. Some guys
18:52
Speaker 1: view it differently when they get to the NFL. They're like, hey,
18:55
Speaker 1: give me a small school guy, I'll take him, I'll
18:57
Speaker 1: develop him or whatever. What is very clear to me
19:00
Speaker 1: is Urbans using the same philosophy. Yeah, I get that.
19:04
Speaker 1: Give me the five star kid, the kid that has
19:06
Speaker 1: all the prototypical measurements and dimensions. Then we'll bring him
19:11
Speaker 1: in the program and we'll create a program for him
19:13
Speaker 1: to be able to thrive and succeed. You have to
19:15
Speaker 1: remember this was the number one offensive lineman when he
19:18
Speaker 1: came out in this high school recruiting class. He was
19:20
Speaker 1: a five star player. He was a guy who goes
19:22
Speaker 1: to Stanford, which is supposed to be an offensive line factory. Yes,
19:26
Speaker 1: he gets hurt twenty nineteen since our so it's been
19:30
Speaker 1: two years since we've seen him. But man, what you're
19:32
Speaker 1: gambling on is you don't necessarily need to put him
19:35
Speaker 1: in the lineup right away. So what you're gambling on this,
19:37
Speaker 1: Let's get him on the field, Let's teach him, Let's
19:39
Speaker 1: see if he pops during preseason and practices and those
19:43
Speaker 1: things where we can get him in. But in two
19:46
Speaker 1: we've be walker a little to be a starting player,
19:48
Speaker 1: and so it might be insurance behind Cam Robinson. It
19:52
Speaker 1: might be a we can reconfigure the line to put
19:54
Speaker 1: the best five on the field. But that is why
19:56
Speaker 1: I walk a little. Dear Andre Cisco is a different
19:59
Speaker 1: case because before we talked about the other guys are
20:02
Speaker 1: prototypical in every way or whatever. Cisco was a three
20:05
Speaker 1: star recruit. But what he makes up for in terms
20:09
Speaker 1: of lack of prototypical stuff, you can't dispute the production
20:13
Speaker 1: thirteen interceptions in twenty four games is ridiculous. Guys who
20:18
Speaker 1: get their hands on the ball in college, tend to
20:20
Speaker 1: get their hands on the ball in the pros. And
20:23
Speaker 1: I think if you listen as you went back and
20:25
Speaker 1: you read the transcript, his ability to give a very
20:28
Speaker 1: detailed explanation on how I go about getting the football
20:32
Speaker 1: and how I go and make plays, and my preparation
20:35
Speaker 1: and studying and getting in the game and seeing if
20:38
Speaker 1: how the quarterback is playing matches up with what I saw,
20:41
Speaker 1: and then in the second and third quarter when I
20:44
Speaker 1: get the hunch, I go, that's next level stuff. And
20:47
Speaker 1: so I can imagine him being very impressive in the
20:50
Speaker 1: Zoom interviews when it comes to being able to detail
20:53
Speaker 1: the game. And because he even talked about knowing the
20:57
Speaker 1: defensive back coach Chris ash knowing him in the recruiting
21:00
Speaker 1: trail and being able to have that chemistry and connection,
21:04
Speaker 1: I just can see where heat early on is going
21:07
Speaker 1: to be on the field. And I would think he's
21:09
Speaker 1: going to be the leader in the back end because
21:11
Speaker 1: as safety high i Q production and performance, you need
21:16
Speaker 1: to have one of those guys in the middlefield. I
21:18
Speaker 1: think Cisco plays that role. I love both these picks
21:20
Speaker 1: JP and and I'm usually not somebody during the draft.
21:24
Speaker 1: You know, we were together for seven eight nine years.
21:27
Speaker 1: Usually with the draft, I'm like, okay, let's wait and
21:29
Speaker 1: see ten years John seven eight nine, I mean, come
21:32
Speaker 1: on together. You're always gambling in the draft after the
21:39
Speaker 1: first round. To me, if you're not a first round
21:41
Speaker 1: or there's gonna be something that you don't know about
21:42
Speaker 1: the guy. To me, the A C L stuff, especially
21:45
Speaker 1: for a tackle, I don't care about it. That's fine.
21:48
Speaker 1: That's two years removed. He'll be fine on that front. Uh, Cisco,
21:53
Speaker 1: he's a young guy. I don't know that he'll be
21:55
Speaker 1: a hundred percent to start of the season. But the
21:57
Speaker 1: instincts I care about the A C L us at
22:00
Speaker 1: safety than I do at corner anyway, because of the
22:02
Speaker 1: quick twitch stuff. I don't doubt with technology these days,
22:06
Speaker 1: the A c stuff we're put in their past. I
22:08
Speaker 1: hear a lot of people criticizing for taking Walker a
22:10
Speaker 1: Little who didn't play. That means nothing to me. With
22:14
Speaker 1: the COVID stuff, plenty of guys had weird situations coming out.
22:18
Speaker 1: I don't think that matters one iota to be both
22:21
Speaker 1: of these guys. Little also played at a high level
22:23
Speaker 1: when he played the one year he did play, and
22:25
Speaker 1: Cisco played at a high level. There's no such thing
22:28
Speaker 1: as a sure thing in the NFL. But to me,
22:29
Speaker 1: second third rounders for these guys, I think both of
22:32
Speaker 1: these picks are going to wind up being outstanding picks.
22:35
Speaker 1: Maybe that's just my gut, maybe I'm just blind to it,
22:37
Speaker 1: but I think these are these make more sense. I
22:40
Speaker 1: don't mind the Campbell pick, but I like these two
22:42
Speaker 1: picks even better than the Cambell pick. And by the way,
22:44
Speaker 1: to the Finn Walker a little a little more for
22:46
Speaker 1: this opt out. Last year, remember the Pac twelve decided
22:49
Speaker 1: to not play football and then yes, very late in
22:53
Speaker 1: the process, like, oh, you know what, we'll play six games,
22:56
Speaker 1: like well, and now of a sudden talked down for
22:59
Speaker 1: it's your day. Yeah, why why would you want to
23:01
Speaker 1: play at that point, he's already halfway to the draft, Like,
23:04
Speaker 1: you know what, I don't need to risk it now
23:05
Speaker 1: it's November. Let me just know. You can't hold that
23:09
Speaker 1: against him. Yeah, And I think I think that's important
23:11
Speaker 1: to know. And that's that's really a great point to
23:14
Speaker 1: bring up in his defense the Pact. The PACTWO was
23:17
Speaker 1: dragging their feet to all the other conferences. SEC said,
23:21
Speaker 1: we're playing the big ten had a late turn and
23:24
Speaker 1: those guys play, so you can't hold it against those guys.
23:26
Speaker 1: But here's what I say, the third round, second round,
23:29
Speaker 1: third round, you're still looking to get started. So to me,
23:32
Speaker 1: the round value and where they were selected means that
23:35
Speaker 1: the Jaguars have a plan to get these guys on
23:37
Speaker 1: the field and for them to be key contributors. And
23:39
Speaker 1: so Walk a little we have to see because he
23:42
Speaker 1: has to play his way into that lineup, but man
23:44
Speaker 1: great insurance policy for the offensive tackles, and he gives
23:47
Speaker 1: them an opportunity to be creative in terms of how
23:50
Speaker 1: they maybe re shuffle the line going forward. Andre Cisco
23:53
Speaker 1: is a baller and if not for the a c
23:56
Speaker 1: L injury that he suffered early in the year, I
23:59
Speaker 1: mean in pregame warmers like this dude should have been.
24:02
Speaker 1: It could have been a first round talent that goes
24:05
Speaker 1: a little higher in the second round to get him
24:06
Speaker 1: where they got him. Man, that is tremendous not only value,
24:11
Speaker 1: but really a great player, and it really continues to
24:14
Speaker 1: stick with the Jaguars in this draft. They made a
24:17
Speaker 1: commitment to get players. There are not many projects of
24:21
Speaker 1: guys that were like, hey, we don't see the production.
24:23
Speaker 1: But hey, he's a he's a project. We're gonna we're
24:25
Speaker 1: gonna get him here, and he's everything is on paper
24:29
Speaker 1: where you can see the production, and some scouts don't
24:32
Speaker 1: believe in that. I'm kind of in that favor. I
24:35
Speaker 1: need to see it before I can believe it, and
24:37
Speaker 1: I think what the Jaguars are doing. No, I need
24:39
Speaker 1: to see that you're a good player before I believe
24:41
Speaker 1: that you're a good player. And so that's where they
24:43
Speaker 1: went after. They didn't go after these guys who they
24:46
Speaker 1: appear to have everything, but you never see the production
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Speaker 1: our draft review. Let's go to day three and let's
25:11
Speaker 1: start with the guy that Urban knows very well from
25:14
Speaker 1: the recruiting trail. It was down to Ohio State and
25:17
Speaker 1: Southern Cow apparently for j to Felly, and he picks
25:21
Speaker 1: Southern Cow and Urban said he's gonna make him pay
25:24
Speaker 1: for that when he shows up for rookie camp in
25:27
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks. Big strong dude up front, Buy,
25:31
Speaker 1: big strong dude up front, powerful player. We talked about
25:35
Speaker 1: the best defenses are are dominant right down the middle.
25:38
Speaker 1: So I just raved about Andre Cisco for about ten
25:40
Speaker 1: and fifteen minutes, and that's He's the guy that can
25:43
Speaker 1: be the ornament at the top of the tree, but
25:44
Speaker 1: it starts in the trenches. T Felly has all of
25:48
Speaker 1: the size, strength and power that you want to see.
25:51
Speaker 1: And what we're getting is what I would call a
25:55
Speaker 1: new and improved version of the guy that we saw
25:57
Speaker 1: because during his time away he talked out taking care
26:01
Speaker 1: of his body and more importantly, taking care of his mind,
26:03
Speaker 1: so it could be in a good frame of mind
26:04
Speaker 1: to really max out all the talent that he has
26:07
Speaker 1: on the inside. Better shape, better fitness. We're getting a
26:11
Speaker 1: guy that's on the verge of being a breakout guy
26:13
Speaker 1: that can be a monster. We saw it last year.
26:15
Speaker 1: We couldn't stop the run on early downs. If you
26:18
Speaker 1: can't stop the run, you don't earn the right to
26:19
Speaker 1: rush the passer. He should help the run defense, and man,
26:23
Speaker 1: if we can get teams backed up in the long
26:25
Speaker 1: yard of situations, that's when it can become fun. When
26:28
Speaker 1: you really can unleash the edge rushers Josh Allen and company,
26:32
Speaker 1: you can start blitzing and doing some of the fun
26:34
Speaker 1: stuff that create turnovers. But it starts with having a
26:36
Speaker 1: run stop on the inside. And this guy does have
26:39
Speaker 1: a little bit of the ability to rush the passer.
26:41
Speaker 1: I really like the bix nice nice spot to get
26:43
Speaker 1: him where they got him in the third. Let me
26:45
Speaker 1: ask you this, if he plays this year, I never
26:48
Speaker 1: went over all in the fourth. If he had played,
26:50
Speaker 1: would he have been picked higher? Probably? Yes, yeah, just
26:54
Speaker 1: because the uncertainty over people treated the opt outs in
26:59
Speaker 1: very degrees because you didn't know you know. Um. I
27:03
Speaker 1: think if he plays and he shows people on tape
27:06
Speaker 1: that he can be the finisher, he's improved as a
27:09
Speaker 1: pass rusher, he absolutely goes higher, particularly in a class
27:13
Speaker 1: that was deemed as a weak defensive tackle class. If
27:16
Speaker 1: he flashes any of that, he goes up. I think
27:19
Speaker 1: some some prospects got ding because they didn't play, and
27:23
Speaker 1: sometimes out of sight, out of mind when it comes
27:26
Speaker 1: to making the selections off the draft board if you
27:29
Speaker 1: were going to get a tackle this year, and but
27:31
Speaker 1: you can disagree with me, but I think you'll agree
27:33
Speaker 1: if you're going to get a defensive tackle this year,
27:35
Speaker 1: you had to take a chance on something. Because there
27:37
Speaker 1: was no such thing as even remotely close to a
27:39
Speaker 1: perfect prospect the defensive tackle. It was a bad year
27:42
Speaker 1: for it. So I think anybody would say that they
27:45
Speaker 1: probably needed to address it somewhere because they struggled so much.
27:49
Speaker 1: This is about his safe and his sound and approach
27:52
Speaker 1: to it as you could have in this draft, because
27:55
Speaker 1: this kid might be really good. So I thought it
27:57
Speaker 1: made sense, and I particularly thought the next pick you're
28:00
Speaker 1: and asked us about made sense JP. But go ahead, sure,
28:02
Speaker 1: because Trader Trent showed up and moved up in the
28:05
Speaker 1: draft and threw us all abone and traded that seventh
28:08
Speaker 1: rounder away to get Jordan's Smith, the defensive end from
28:12
Speaker 1: the University of Alabama Birmingham. John. I don't know how
28:16
Speaker 1: Jordan Smith is going to translate. I mean, there's some
28:19
Speaker 1: he obviously there's some questions about him, or he wouldn't
28:22
Speaker 1: be available there as an edge rusher. But to me,
28:25
Speaker 1: in a draft where most people thought that it was
28:28
Speaker 1: not a particularly deep draft overall, so you essentially gave
28:32
Speaker 1: away a seventh round pick to move up to get
28:35
Speaker 1: this guy. Well, if there was ever a year to
28:38
Speaker 1: give up your seventh round pick, it was in this one.
28:40
Speaker 1: So again, I don't know how Jordan Smith's gonna play out,
28:44
Speaker 1: but the draft approach to me made sense. If you
28:47
Speaker 1: could find somebody to get out of the seventh round
28:50
Speaker 1: in a year where you thought it was, and you
28:52
Speaker 1: thought this kid was a big time pass rusher in
28:54
Speaker 1: the making, then go ahead and burn that to move
28:57
Speaker 1: up nine spots. Now I'll have to see how he
28:59
Speaker 1: actually worked out, because again I have no idea if
29:03
Speaker 1: you'll translate, but the thought of it made sense to him.
29:06
Speaker 1: I think it makes a lot of sense. And just
29:07
Speaker 1: so we understand Day three and the fourth through seventh round,
29:12
Speaker 1: those are the guys that are deemed your developmental prospects. Right.
29:17
Speaker 1: If you hit on anybody on day three, those are surprises.
29:21
Speaker 1: Those are quote unquote you're hidding gyms. Uh. Typically there's
29:25
Speaker 1: something that's missing that led them to be Day three picks.
29:29
Speaker 1: Normally it's either medical issue, there's a character issue, might
29:32
Speaker 1: be football character or anything. Maybe whatever something character wised,
29:37
Speaker 1: they may lead them to do it, or is just
29:39
Speaker 1: they haven't fully developed there's something that's missing. I would
29:43
Speaker 1: say this we talked about in terms of his ability
29:46
Speaker 1: to be a player. He didn't play last year. Jordan
29:49
Speaker 1: Smith is interesting to me because he's a former four
29:51
Speaker 1: star recruit who started off at Florida, has some transgressions there,
29:54
Speaker 1: finds his way to bother the community cause then ends
29:56
Speaker 1: up at you A B. So this is another big
29:58
Speaker 1: school player blue, a player that goes to a big
30:02
Speaker 1: school and then makes a different route to end up
30:05
Speaker 1: at U A B. You see the size because the
30:07
Speaker 1: size is a legitimate big time player. He has the
30:10
Speaker 1: length and those things that you expect, and you've seen
30:13
Speaker 1: the flashes doing his time when he's played at a
30:15
Speaker 1: higher level. So now it's about can we get him
30:18
Speaker 1: in the program and give him an opportunity to showcase
30:21
Speaker 1: all the talent that really made him a very intriguing
30:24
Speaker 1: recruit when he's coming out of high school and made
30:26
Speaker 1: him an intriguing prospect that made him a fourth round
30:30
Speaker 1: pick during this time at U A B. Look, I
30:32
Speaker 1: don't think there's any risk in that, and I think
30:34
Speaker 1: what you saw by maneuvering around Urban might have PopEd.
30:38
Speaker 1: Valling be like, hey, I want that guy, Let's go
30:41
Speaker 1: get him, and they made the move. Hey, let's go
30:43
Speaker 1: get the guy that we want, because that's what you
30:45
Speaker 1: do because the odds are better of the fourth round
30:48
Speaker 1: guy popping, then necessarily the seventh round guy that would
30:51
Speaker 1: have popped. The Huddle Up podcast Jap Shatrick, John Osier,
30:54
Speaker 1: and Bucky Brooks. We move along to Luke Farrell, tight
30:57
Speaker 1: end from Ohio State. He knows him well because he
30:59
Speaker 1: played for Urban Meyer State. That helps their close friends
31:04
Speaker 1: of the family as well. The the draft room phone
31:07
Speaker 1: call was pretty fun there. John win Urban got hey, Luke,
31:11
Speaker 1: you're going to be a Jaguar, and let me talk
31:12
Speaker 1: to your parents. They couldn't believe that they were here,
31:18
Speaker 1: and John's that's pretty cool. Now, Let's let's be honest here.
31:22
Speaker 1: Look Farrell as a blocking tight end, he's not going
31:24
Speaker 1: to be an immediate threat down the field, so you know,
31:27
Speaker 1: and he's a fifth round pick. Let's see how this goes.
31:30
Speaker 1: John Well, I think Bucky will allude to this because
31:33
Speaker 1: think he wrote about it. They clearly believe that they
31:37
Speaker 1: need to be able to run the ball. Next year,
31:38
Speaker 1: and they clearly believe that tight end, which a lot
31:41
Speaker 1: of times from server's point of views and overlooked part
31:44
Speaker 1: of the running game. They believe it's darn important. That's
31:47
Speaker 1: why they win. God Man hurts, and they clearly believe
31:49
Speaker 1: they need a second guy after Man Hurts to be
31:51
Speaker 1: a quality player in that spot. So I think that's
31:54
Speaker 1: what he is. I think it shows you how they're thinking.
31:56
Speaker 1: They believe they need to run the ball effectively to
31:59
Speaker 1: help Trevor Lawrence next year. They do not want Trevor
32:02
Speaker 1: Lawrence having to carry things in Week one of two. Now,
32:07
Speaker 1: I think it's a it's a combination of urban Meyer's
32:10
Speaker 1: longtime philosophy. They want to run the ball. The tight
32:12
Speaker 1: end position is a hybrid position as half offensive tackle,
32:15
Speaker 1: half wide receiver um. But really, when you want to
32:18
Speaker 1: run the football, you need a guy that's basically an
32:20
Speaker 1: offensive linement. They made a commitment to make sure they
32:22
Speaker 1: got that and so that will enable them to run
32:25
Speaker 1: the football. If you look at Brian Schottenheimer and Darryl
32:28
Speaker 1: Belvo the way that they were able to do things
32:30
Speaker 1: in Seattle when both of those guys were coordinators there,
32:33
Speaker 1: it was about running the ball in Seattle never had
32:35
Speaker 1: a notable Titan. Yes, they brought Jimmy Graham and but
32:38
Speaker 1: really they've never had a big time ted in make
32:40
Speaker 1: contributions in the past. Game it was about running the
32:43
Speaker 1: football and being able to be physical. But I think,
32:45
Speaker 1: really what we're seeing because Ohio State uh player, Um,
32:49
Speaker 1: we saw two Clemson players a Stanford player Syracuse. To me,
32:55
Speaker 1: this is about assembling a bunch of players that are
32:58
Speaker 1: used to winning and winning at a high level. And
33:01
Speaker 1: when you're trying to change the culture within the locker room,
33:04
Speaker 1: you have to create an environment where you have a
33:07
Speaker 1: bunch of winners in the locker room because guys who
33:09
Speaker 1: are used to winning are more likely to buy into
33:12
Speaker 1: the message when Urban is talking in the front of
33:14
Speaker 1: the room, and this is what we need to do
33:16
Speaker 1: to win well because those guys have done similar things.
33:20
Speaker 1: And one, there's not going to be a lot of
33:22
Speaker 1: hesitation like well, I don't know, hey, let's do it.
33:25
Speaker 1: And so I just like what I've heard from all
33:28
Speaker 1: the guys that have come in, from Trevor and Travis
33:31
Speaker 1: Inn and they were talking about a man, we gotta
33:33
Speaker 1: earn it, we gotta go get it, we gotta did
33:34
Speaker 1: it every day. We gotta prove ourselves. We gotta do this.
33:38
Speaker 1: Everybody has talked about putting the team first, and some
33:41
Speaker 1: of those can say, hey, those are canned answers. But
33:43
Speaker 1: when you have so many guys saying the same thing, Now,
33:47
Speaker 1: this is how they're built, and you change the culture
33:49
Speaker 1: inside out, you bring the right players in with the
33:52
Speaker 1: right messenger, it's going to change. And so I'm more
33:55
Speaker 1: optimistic now than ever. Things are going to happen. They're
33:58
Speaker 1: gonna happen quickly when it comes to turn around the Jacks.
34:01
Speaker 1: Let's finish out our review of the NFL draft of
34:03
Speaker 1: the Jaguars sixth round pick up wide receiver out of
34:06
Speaker 1: Georgia Tech, Jalen Camp. Now, it's a weird time still
34:09
Speaker 1: in Atlanta. They're still in transition from that triple option
34:13
Speaker 1: Paul Johnson attack they had for what fifteen years there
34:16
Speaker 1: so successfully successfully that. Yeah, they did some good things
34:20
Speaker 1: with it, but it is a transition to move from
34:22
Speaker 1: that to a modern day let's say offense. Uh in
34:27
Speaker 1: college football, the spread option and all that stuff. So
34:30
Speaker 1: you know, they didn't have a tight end on the
34:31
Speaker 1: roster for ten years until Tyler Davis and he tried.
34:34
Speaker 1: It's transferred in last year or two years ago. Now,
34:37
Speaker 1: the Jaguars picked him up last draft, right, so camp
34:40
Speaker 1: was kind of he was involved in this whole time,
34:42
Speaker 1: like he was there all the years in in Atlanta,
34:46
Speaker 1: and so the numbers may not be high on the field,
34:48
Speaker 1: but then he gets in the pro day and he
34:51
Speaker 1: puts out a four four three forty thirty nine and
34:54
Speaker 1: a half inch vertical thirty bench press reps at so
34:59
Speaker 1: strength and speed and all the things that a guy
35:03
Speaker 1: like Herbert Meyer loves to talk to a guy that's
35:05
Speaker 1: that strong and that fast at that position. I'm sure
35:08
Speaker 1: Bucky absolutely, because what what do you what you're thinking
35:11
Speaker 1: about is, Okay, does he have to requisite physical traits
35:15
Speaker 1: to maybe be a guy that can play at this level? Check?
35:17
Speaker 1: Check check. Then you think about in the background, we
35:19
Speaker 1: talked about Georgia Tech and the physicality that Georgia Tech
35:22
Speaker 1: displayed previously before. I mean, Jeff Collins wants to play physical,
35:25
Speaker 1: but really, Paul Johnson, you gotta get dirt, you gotta
35:27
Speaker 1: get your nose out out, hit the nose to the groundstone.
35:31
Speaker 1: But also understand this because we've seen this transition and
35:34
Speaker 1: I don't know how they're gonna position him. But Darren
35:37
Speaker 1: Waller was a tied end is a tied end now
35:40
Speaker 1: for the Raiders. Darren Waller was a wide receiver at
35:42
Speaker 1: Georgia Tech, goes to Baltimore, he makes a transition with
35:44
Speaker 1: the Raiders. In two years later, he's a pro bowler.
35:47
Speaker 1: There is something to taking the specimen, beefing him up
35:51
Speaker 1: a bit. He will retain the speed and quickness. Potentially
35:55
Speaker 1: if they kind of use him as that quasi tied in,
35:59
Speaker 1: he can create the mismatches, and we've seen guys come
36:02
Speaker 1: out of the later rounds and have success. I'm not
36:05
Speaker 1: proclaiming that this guy is gonna be Travis Kilsy, Darren
36:07
Speaker 1: wall or anything. But if you're going to attempt to
36:12
Speaker 1: maybe transition and find that hybrid guy that can do it,
36:15
Speaker 1: I'm saying he's a perfect Kennedy just based on the
36:18
Speaker 1: measurables and the strength that he's displayed when he's been
36:21
Speaker 1: on the field. John, Yeah, the pick makes sense. I
36:24
Speaker 1: mean it's a sixth round with potential. As Bucky said,
36:29
Speaker 1: one thing you learned I never scouted the way back.
36:31
Speaker 1: He has one thing you learned from talking to people
36:32
Speaker 1: about it at that stage of the draft, you're looking
36:35
Speaker 1: for some measurable that makes you think, Okay, this is
36:40
Speaker 1: an NFL type of player. This is a reason that
36:43
Speaker 1: the guy can make it. The reason some guys go
36:45
Speaker 1: undrafted is scouts look him and say, well, they produce,
36:48
Speaker 1: but there's really nothing there that makes me think, yes,
36:51
Speaker 1: he can depend on this and this can be his
36:53
Speaker 1: home run swing or whatever. This kid's got a lot
36:55
Speaker 1: of home home run swings. In terms of his physical ability,
36:58
Speaker 1: I have no idea of feel workout or not, but
37:01
Speaker 1: it's the kind of kids you take a chance on
37:02
Speaker 1: at that point in the draft. Yeah, I would think,
37:05
Speaker 1: like the worst case practice squad candidate, he gets a
37:08
Speaker 1: four year to fully develop. Yeah, a four year to
37:13
Speaker 1: to see where they potentially compet him. But you can
37:17
Speaker 1: never have enough of those athletes. And you mentioned it
37:20
Speaker 1: all special teams, big fast, physical cover kicks, be on
37:26
Speaker 1: the return teams, as a blocker, there's always a role
37:29
Speaker 1: for those guys, and you can't get enough. I think
37:31
Speaker 1: he's a perfect developmental candidate, and I would put a
37:34
Speaker 1: little ashubhim as a potential practice squad candidate if he's
37:37
Speaker 1: not able to kind of earn his way onto the
37:39
Speaker 1: it's suddenly it's not fifty three or whatever. Whatever it
37:43
Speaker 1: is that the four Russ. We'll find out. The rules
37:47
Speaker 1: keep changing, the rules keep changing, but yes, it gives
37:49
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38:06
Speaker 1: What was your reaction to the Tim Tebow news the
38:08
Speaker 1: other day? I mean I anticipated something happening Tim Tebow,
38:13
Speaker 1: urban mind, the connection, the affinity and all those other things,
38:16
Speaker 1: the Jacksonville o'deal and all that other stuff, the Gators.
38:20
Speaker 1: I anticipated that he would certainly have an opportunity to
38:24
Speaker 1: come around. Now what comes of it, I don't know.
38:27
Speaker 1: But thirty or four years of age making a transition
38:31
Speaker 1: to tight end, I don't know. Stranger things have happened.
38:34
Speaker 1: We saw Auden Smith come back and end of the
38:37
Speaker 1: league after a four and a half year layoff, so
38:39
Speaker 1: I wouldn't put it past it. I mean, can he
38:42
Speaker 1: catch I don't know. Can he block anybody? I don't know.
38:45
Speaker 1: I know he's just he's a specimen and we know
38:47
Speaker 1: that because he's he's who. Yeah, he's like, he's just
38:51
Speaker 1: I just wouldn't know him. Like, hey, man, if you're
38:53
Speaker 1: gonna do this, you know you could have done it
38:54
Speaker 1: a lot earlier. You had a lot more people behind
38:56
Speaker 1: you to probably ensure that you would have continued to play.
38:59
Speaker 1: Maybe after year one or two whatever. Now we'll see,
39:03
Speaker 1: but I wouldn't put it past him. The connection with
39:06
Speaker 1: Coach Meyer certainly gives him an opportunity. We'll see how
39:08
Speaker 1: I plays out, if not. If he does come, it
39:11
Speaker 1: makes a good story in training camp oish you can
39:13
Speaker 1: have Tebow watched like we had Miss Umania audit of
39:17
Speaker 1: the stuff. Thanks for that, you know. And I I've
39:23
Speaker 1: gotten a lot of emails about this one. What are
39:26
Speaker 1: they doing? What is this? What is this? If they
39:28
Speaker 1: were signing him to play quarterback at thirty four and
39:32
Speaker 1: he was QB one, I might say, what are you doing?
39:35
Speaker 1: If they're signing him to play tight end to see
39:38
Speaker 1: if it might work, I don't know what the harm is.
39:41
Speaker 1: And again, back in the day, when I get Bow questions,
39:44
Speaker 1: I wasn't a huge Tebow guy at quarterback I was
39:47
Speaker 1: part of that. Wasn't my thing with tight end. If
39:51
Speaker 1: it works, fantastic. If it doesn't, then you shake his
39:55
Speaker 1: hand at the end of training camp and said, you
39:56
Speaker 1: know what, great career, thank you for being here here.
40:00
Speaker 1: We love you as a person. But it's just not
40:02
Speaker 1: gonna work. I guess I just don't see the harm
40:04
Speaker 1: in this one. At quarterback, I saw it a little differently,
40:07
Speaker 1: but at tight end, give him a chance, that's fine,
40:10
Speaker 1: And he's the ultimate Urban Meyer message guy in that
40:14
Speaker 1: locker room, by the way, you want anybody else can
40:17
Speaker 1: top that? I don't think. So, Yeah, I don't know
40:19
Speaker 1: that the message takes hold if he's not a good play, Okay,
40:24
Speaker 1: I kind of get your point, JP, And again I
40:27
Speaker 1: think that goes back to there's no harm in it.
40:29
Speaker 1: There's no you know, I don't see this is at
40:32
Speaker 1: all being even a possible negative. So I think all
40:35
Speaker 1: the people who are out of his criticism or whatever
40:38
Speaker 1: who are questioning it are the people who are going
40:40
Speaker 1: to question anything involving Tim Tebow. But on this one,
40:42
Speaker 1: from a football standpoint, I don't think he's any harm
40:44
Speaker 1: in it. It's all plus if it works great, If not,
40:47
Speaker 1: he's still the neighbor of Urban Meyer apparently according to
40:50
Speaker 1: reports this week. So it's okay, I podcast coming up
40:53
Speaker 1: this week? What do you have Bucky coming up? Hey man, Look,
40:57
Speaker 1: I'm I'm just waiting for you guys to call them.
40:59
Speaker 1: I'm wide open the schedules wide open for Jack. But
41:03
Speaker 1: there was a draft, that a draft. The draft draft
41:06
Speaker 1: is all done. So now now look I'm now I'm
41:08
Speaker 1: Jaguars number one and whatever you need, whatever you need,
41:11
Speaker 1: I'm everything that said. We're gonna have a lot of
41:15
Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks co workers on this week. Judy Patissa is
41:18
Speaker 1: on the ozone podcast this week. That should be going.
41:21
Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremiah, do you want to talk back with us
41:24
Speaker 1: later this week to review the draft as well? So
41:27
Speaker 1: we're kind of booked up this week, Bucky, I don't know,
41:29
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe maybe a little vacation. I may have
41:32
Speaker 1: to just continue to just Daniel Jeremiah the heart and soul.
41:41
Speaker 1: I mean, it's the namesake. I mean, I'm a McMahon
41:44
Speaker 1: over there. I mean McMahon. I'm just sitting on the couch,
41:48
Speaker 1: just hanging out. You know, I'll laughing all the jokes,
41:52
Speaker 1: the jokes and makes screet goes. I love it. Uh
41:56
Speaker 1: good stuff as always. There's a review on the Huddle
41:59
Speaker 1: Up Podkay asked Bucky, we will talk to you very soon.
42:02
Speaker 1: It sounds like, see if you're fine good, Osan will
42:06
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