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#579 - Hit-Boy Talks UMG Split, Big Hit, Working with Nas & What’s Next · The Bootleg Kev Podcast

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Speaker 1: Podcast special guests in here my guy hit boy the deal.
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Speaker 2: What's the deal with hit Boy man on outside? What's
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Speaker 2: the deal? The deal is, the deal is done, that's
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Speaker 2: over with. I'm free.
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Speaker 1: Congrats. You know you've been in this crazy publishing deal,
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Speaker 1: very very archaic deal or since you were eighteen, right,
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Speaker 1: I signed at nineteen nineteen and now you're out. You know,
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Speaker 1: I know it was talked about the whole helped you
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Speaker 1: get out of the deal.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's when I was still working with a Rock
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Speaker 3: Nation on the management side, and him and Desiree stepped
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Speaker 3: in and made a you know deal in twenty twenty
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Speaker 3: one basically for me to do four more years and
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Speaker 3: then you know, just after that it's over.
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Speaker 2: So I did my last four years.
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Speaker 1: So you got out of it unscathed. How's it feel, man? No,
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Speaker 1: I feel like a new person, bro.
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Speaker 3: Like I realized a lot man, just about myself, And
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Speaker 3: that was a depressing time. Like as much success as
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Speaker 3: I was having, I could really feel it all the way,
1:01
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Because it's like I just
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Speaker 3: was like that was so much on my mind, and
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Speaker 3: every lawyer I would take it to, it'll be like, man,
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Speaker 3: it's the worst deal I've ever seen. But it's like
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Speaker 3: we can't do nothing to help you, so, you know,
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Speaker 3: just to be in this position. But I feel like
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Speaker 3: my life just started over, like and I'm just I
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Speaker 3: just like I hate the motherfucking Mario mushroom. I'm about
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Speaker 3: to want to take this ship to a whole new level.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy because you could, like you get so
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Speaker 1: excited you've had this run. Obviously win the Best Rap
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Speaker 1: Album of the Year at the Grammys, and you know
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Speaker 1: it's crazy run with nas and obviously you've been on
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Speaker 1: crazy like last six seven years. But like it's almost
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Speaker 1: like you're like, damn, it's still tied to this old ship,
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Speaker 1: like this old pug Deod type shit, you know for sure.
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Speaker 1: Yeah that was frustrating, man, But man, it's a new day,
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Speaker 1: man ship. I feel like everything I did my first
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Speaker 1: half of my career was just like just me learning,
1:48
Speaker 1: me starting Like that was just me starting the car up, bro, Like, nah,
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Speaker 1: I'm finna get on the road on niggas for real.
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Speaker 1: I saw you just had a moment with Jay. What
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Speaker 1: was that like when you just.
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Speaker 3: Dope The day my contract ended, I sent him an
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Speaker 3: email just said thanks and all that you know. He
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Speaker 3: hit me back, said congrats, you know, and then I
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Speaker 3: end up going to the show that was beyonce last
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Speaker 3: show in Vegas, right, So I'm just in there kicking it.
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Speaker 3: Next thing, you know, he walk out. I just seen him,
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Speaker 3: went up to him a gay nigga, the longest hug ever, like, bro,
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Speaker 3: like thank you, you know what I mean, just I
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Speaker 3: appreciate it, and he was like, man, you deserve it.
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Speaker 2: You're a good person.
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Speaker 1: It's crazy because you would think, like if you were
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Speaker 1: a pub company, you would understand that you are who
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Speaker 1: you are and you would run to do right by you,
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Speaker 1: because that's how I always kind of looked at it.
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Speaker 1: But you would think, like he we were tripping back.
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Speaker 1: Then you're in a different place. Now, let's renegotiate. It's
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Speaker 1: almost like you had the old you watched the Last
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Speaker 1: Dance the bullshit. Yeah, Scottie Pippens deal that he signed.
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Speaker 1: It was like a nine year deal, like the bulls
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Speaker 1: should they should have did right by him. No, I
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Speaker 1: know for sure, same same type of scenario, but it's
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Speaker 1: all good.
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Speaker 2: Man. That shit was a you know, it made me.
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Speaker 3: Like really double down on my my creative just like
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Speaker 3: learning how to make so many different types of beats
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Speaker 3: and really like because for a moment, that shit was
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Speaker 3: just like now in retrospects, like I was trying to
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Speaker 3: do niggas.
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Speaker 2: I was trying to outdo niggas in Paris for years,
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Speaker 2: you know what I mean?
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Speaker 3: But how can you outdo jay Z first Diamond record,
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Speaker 3: Kanye second Diamond record after Stronger?
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Speaker 2: You know a song that I.
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Speaker 3: Still ain't seen, not one nigga perform a song sixteen
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Speaker 3: times in a row. If I'm wrong, show me, But
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Speaker 3: I still haven't seen that impact, bro.
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Speaker 1: So it's like, you know, it's almost like you could.
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Speaker 1: It's like it's like back to a Bulls reference. It's
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Speaker 1: like the Bulls could never go like like the seven
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Speaker 1: to and ten season with the with the championship. It's
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Speaker 1: like you can't never outdo that. I mean you could,
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Speaker 1: but it's like if you if you drive yourself crazy
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Speaker 1: comparing yourself to like perfection, if.
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Speaker 2: You will, then you're gonna be like what for sure?
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Speaker 3: I definitely drove myself crazy, went through every up and
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Speaker 3: down emotion, wanted to quit mad times, like you know,
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Speaker 3: but it's like I love music so much, I just
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Speaker 3: do this shit anyway, and it's like everything just always
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Speaker 3: come back around because.
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Speaker 2: Of the love of the music.
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Speaker 1: Talk to me like, because, like I said, on the
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Speaker 1: production side, you've been on the run, but also just
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Speaker 1: on the on the wrapping side, like you and domb shit.
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Speaker 1: I mean, go all the way back to the HS
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Speaker 1: eighty seven days, but you've consistently always made sure that
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Speaker 1: you are still behind the mic, still dropping records.
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Speaker 2: I'm just a music maker, man.
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Speaker 3: If I'm writing for somebody, if I'm producing, if I'm
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Speaker 3: wrapping my own music, It's like it's all one thing
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Speaker 3: to me.
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Speaker 2: I don't separate the tour. I'm just like I love
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Speaker 2: making music period.
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Speaker 1: So is the new project? Because you got to eat
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Speaker 1: the couch record couch the couches that couch is that
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Speaker 1: essentially when you're piping and make them bite the couch.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly hidden from the back and her faces in
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Speaker 3: the couch nice and.
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Speaker 1: Then your couch gets ruined because she probably has too
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Speaker 1: much makeup on the twenty twenty five.
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Speaker 2: You gotta get the couch detail for sure. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Is this attached to what is the name of the project?
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Speaker 1: What's what's the deal with?
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Speaker 2: Boy? What is that? That was just like a statement.
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Speaker 3: You know what I mean, Just like you know, I
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Speaker 3: drop what's the deal? And the day I got out
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Speaker 3: my deal, you know what I mean.
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Speaker 1: I just like that was just a moment for me
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Speaker 1: to reclaim like my energy, you know what I mean.
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Speaker 1: Like I'm I'm just like a man, I'm just in
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Speaker 1: a better place.
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Speaker 2: Bro.
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Speaker 3: Like I just like I'm excited as fuck to drop
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Speaker 3: more music and just like my videos is just getting
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Speaker 3: to that level.
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Speaker 2: Everything like about my shit is just leveling up.
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Speaker 3: So I'm excited to apply all this this knowledge and
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Speaker 3: this information I've been gained over the last eighteen years.
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Speaker 1: What is for you now that you're on the other
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Speaker 1: side of the deal? How cautious and how like obviously
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Speaker 1: are you going back? Are you gonna do another copup deal?
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Speaker 1: You're gonna an admin deal? Like, where are you at
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Speaker 1: when it comes to the club side.
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Speaker 2: I'm doing Uh, I'm doing the highest level everything. Man.
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Speaker 2: I'm just like, I ain't trying to like you know,
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Speaker 2: but it's coming.
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Speaker 1: Like have you already been talking to people preparing for
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Speaker 1: this deal to expire?
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Speaker 3: So yeah, people been reaching out. You know this, My
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Speaker 3: boy over there, man, he knew what was going on.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So there's there's already a lot of there's some
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Speaker 1: big ship in the works, definitely. Is there any part
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Speaker 1: of that pub catalog that you're able to like, you know,
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Speaker 1: we see a lot of people selling pub these days.
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Speaker 2: Is that you're able to do that? Is that something
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Speaker 2: you're open to doing when the time is right?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Because I feel like they're paying like generational, Like
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Speaker 1: like someone told me that there there was a certain
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Speaker 1: point in time. They're like these capital venture capitals are paying.
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Speaker 2: Like twelve x. I like it should be going up
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Speaker 2: to like twenty x sometimes at a certain point.
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Speaker 3: No, man, I'm glad. You know I was able to
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Speaker 3: make all them songs. Man, I'm gonna be in a
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Speaker 3: great place for sure. For sure.
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Speaker 1: Talk to me about uh a side project because I
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Speaker 1: was just talking to al a couple of weeks ago, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and he was like, yeah, like one of the new
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Speaker 1: things is on the way is me and hits project
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Speaker 1: is done, Like that's all that's coming.
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Speaker 3: We got ship a lot of bars, like going back
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Speaker 3: and forth on each other beats and rapping on our
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Speaker 3: own beats, just like just gashing.
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Speaker 2: That's just soulful.
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Speaker 1: So the whole project is essentially you guys rapping over
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Speaker 1: each other's beats, so it's all right, this song, we're
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Speaker 1: gonna do my ship.
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Speaker 3: Then it'll just be flowing. Like he'll send me a
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Speaker 3: joint like boom it is. Sometimes he'll just send me
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Speaker 3: an instrumental. Other times he'll send me some shit with
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Speaker 3: a verse on it, and uh, we just keep, you know,
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Speaker 3: going back and forth, and we pull up on each
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Speaker 3: other and just dial it all the way in.
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Speaker 1: How would you compare your guys' production style, Like, like
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Speaker 1: the differences in terms of how you work and how
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Speaker 1: you see him working.
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Speaker 2: I mean, he work.
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Speaker 3: Off in peace, so I'm like, I'll program, I'll be
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Speaker 3: on fl So that's already a difference. But it's like
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Speaker 3: at the end of the day, we both just got
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Speaker 3: soul in our music. So it's like a good connection. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I feel like people always are surprised when they see
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Speaker 1: Alchemists rapping and he's.
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Speaker 2: Killing Tuvey been tough since he was a kid, like
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Speaker 2: he was eleven years old. He was in that he
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Speaker 2: was in that group with the.
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Speaker 1: Was it not was it Max Killerman or was it
8:04
Speaker 1: All Boys Sont Gone?
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it was James Conson, one of the hooligans,
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Speaker 3: like that Yeah, Yeah, that shit was tough.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy. Shots.
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Speaker 3: He got a lot of game, a lot of knowledge, man,
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Speaker 3: he and he just like got such as like his
8:18
Speaker 3: own wave.
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Speaker 2: He'd be on his own ship.
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Speaker 3: Like we put out like a thousand vinyls. That ship
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Speaker 3: sold out in thirty seconds. Like, oh he's got the
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Speaker 3: vinyl shit. He got out, got a real fan base.
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Speaker 2: Man.
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Speaker 1: Have you thought about, like, uh, maybe applying that business model.
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Speaker 2: To what you what you do? That's what I'm on
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Speaker 2: because all this ship, like all this shit is like
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Speaker 2: you know, people have.
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Speaker 3: Been riding around La like, bro, how you getting all
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Speaker 3: this this promo? Like I'm doing that ship myself, you
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Speaker 3: know what I mean.
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Speaker 1: Like there's the thing about the vinyl though, It's like
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Speaker 1: he drops tears and records, so it's like one record
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Speaker 1: might cost one hundred bucks, but this five hundred of them,
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Speaker 1: and then like the other one might cost like seventy five,
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Speaker 1: but there's a thousand, Like he's printing money. You know.
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Speaker 2: Some shit right around fucking Maybach. No exactly, Jesus he school.
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Speaker 3: He scooped me up in the Maybach chuck one time
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Speaker 3: after I got into it with some niggas at the club.
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Speaker 2: He had a real one for sure. Yeah, yeah, that's crazy.
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Speaker 2: Talk to me.
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Speaker 1: I want to know you had this crazy historic you
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Speaker 1: brought in my opinion, Man, we're gonna look back at
10:02
Speaker 1: like NAS's career and like this run between King's Disease
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Speaker 1: one all the way to the end was special because
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Speaker 1: I felt like it kind of just brought Na's back
10:13
Speaker 1: for like like old guys like me who were just
10:15
Speaker 1: like waiting for him to drop on a consistent basis,
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Speaker 1: what's your favorite one of those albums?
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Speaker 2: Man? They all you know special.
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Speaker 3: We went in on all them joints, but I mean
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Speaker 3: the first one and then Kat three Magic.
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Speaker 2: I think I think magic magic, you know what I mean?
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Speaker 1: Magic?
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Speaker 3: That's probably the most true NAH sound type. Yeah, other shit.
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Speaker 3: We just was experiment doing ship, pissing people off, like
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Speaker 3: you know, having rapping on trap beats and Ato eights
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Speaker 3: and ship, like just fucking around having fun.
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Speaker 1: Right Yeah, uh is there anybody else who you have
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Speaker 1: a joint project?
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Speaker 2: And it works with Spank Nittyka with Spank Nitty from Nai.
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Speaker 2: That nigga tough. He like he on some ship, Like.
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Speaker 3: His lingo is just out of he was like he
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Speaker 3: came up with the eat couch it and it wasn't
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Speaker 3: even a hook at first. I took that e couch
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Speaker 3: part and like brought it back a couple of times
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Speaker 3: and made that shit like a big part of the song, like,
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Speaker 3: but he just got.
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Speaker 2: Them one line? Is that just be having you laughing?
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Speaker 3: When I first heard that joint, bro, I like literally
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Speaker 3: start crying laughing, like that shit was so hilarious.
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Speaker 2: I never heard nobody say et couch.
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Speaker 1: So you're working on like a both y'all rapping or
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Speaker 1: is it like him on your beats?
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Speaker 2: A little bit about me? You know we both were
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Speaker 2: both rapping.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we're both on some just like it's more like,
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Speaker 3: you know, this ship is like for the streets. It's
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Speaker 3: about to be some ship. I got some of my
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Speaker 3: hardest beats I ever made on the tape.
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Speaker 1: So is the is these two records that you've dropped,
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Speaker 1: are they on the same project or Nah, that's that's
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Speaker 1: on my solo project? Okay, yeah, what's the deal in
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Speaker 1: eat couch?
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Speaker 2: Yep? What's the name of the solo project? Software? Update?
11:47
Speaker 2: I like that software.
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Speaker 3: I'll just updated my whole life, you know what I mean,
11:51
Speaker 3: like every every facet, I'm just trying to be more sharp, more,
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Speaker 3: you know, locked in.
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Speaker 2: I don't present myself. How's your dad doing? Man?
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Speaker 3: I mean, you know they just got they just gave
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Speaker 3: him another three years like that's you know, that is
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Speaker 3: what it is.
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Speaker 2: I've been doing with this ship thirty plus years.
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Speaker 3: Like he literally been in prison my whole life since
12:09
Speaker 3: I was three, never been out for more than a year.
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Speaker 3: Even on this run, he didn't even he made it
12:13
Speaker 3: to like ten months, got locked up and made it
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Speaker 3: for like another However many months he feel like he
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Speaker 3: had such a like the buzz was there, the music
12:21
Speaker 3: was crazy.
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Speaker 1: He dropped the album with the game like what the fuck.
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Speaker 3: Know that ship with number one on the fucking iTunes
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Speaker 3: and shit like it was that shit was.
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Speaker 2: Going, bro.
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Speaker 1: But you guys around there, he was out there on
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Speaker 1: his time with my body.
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Speaker 3: When you listening to his music, that's really him, Like
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Speaker 3: he not not capping about that ship.
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Speaker 1: Is that something where you like do you like, are
12:40
Speaker 1: you like you get mad at your dad when he
12:42
Speaker 1: like sucks.
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Speaker 2: Up like that?
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Speaker 3: You're like, bro, of course, man, especially on this run
12:45
Speaker 3: because we really had it going. This nigga is actually
12:47
Speaker 3: making legit money and was getting respect bro. Like niggas
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Speaker 3: at the pop out on stage with Kendrick with holding
12:52
Speaker 3: my son like he's getting love doing songs with YG
12:55
Speaker 3: Snoop embraced him like you know so that this was
12:57
Speaker 3: probably the toughest.
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Speaker 2: One, Like damn nigga, we really was making it happen.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, because I felt like when like grinding, my whole
13:03
Speaker 1: life happened, Like that was a moment, but it was
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Speaker 1: like it was like a blip. I feel like, like you said,
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Speaker 1: it was like he got locked up right after that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah you know what I mean. So yeah, bro, that
13:13
Speaker 2: shit man, it is what it is.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Man, when you look back at like the HS eighty
13:18
Speaker 1: seven run, I feel like it's one of the more
13:21
Speaker 1: I think that like Kate Roosevelt, how talented he was,
13:23
Speaker 1: obviously audio push and Can't Money and all those guys.
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Speaker 1: That was such a dope, dope squad of artists, And
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Speaker 1: I always thought everything was super underrated that you guys
13:36
Speaker 1: were doing. Do you ever like look back at that
13:37
Speaker 1: era when you had the crib, the house a hit,
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Speaker 1: all kinds of house parties going on, Like what can
13:43
Speaker 1: you tell me about the HS eighty seven era?
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Speaker 2: That man, that was a shit that was like a
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Speaker 2: frat house. Man.
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Speaker 3: That shit was just like just me and my homies
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Speaker 3: making music and throwing parties and turning up type shit.
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Speaker 2: Like I just got to learn. I just got to
13:56
Speaker 2: really see how.
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Speaker 3: This shit go down having an artist signed to me,
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Speaker 3: like hearing out they frustrations while I'm trying to I'm
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Speaker 3: still trying to be me. I'm still trying to get
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Speaker 3: to my level. Like they looking at it like, oh no,
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Speaker 3: you already hit boy?
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Speaker 2: You good.
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Speaker 3: I'm like, nah, nigga, this is nothing, bro, Like I'm
14:11
Speaker 3: just getting started, you know what I mean.
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Speaker 2: That's why I'm so excited right now. Bro.
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Speaker 3: It's like I got all the game, I got all
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Speaker 3: the information, like as far as.
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Speaker 2: Like just what I need to be doing right now.
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Speaker 1: But you have such a great year for talent because
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Speaker 1: all those artists I just mentioned like were incredible and
14:29
Speaker 1: maybe for whatever reason, it just didn't work out to
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Speaker 1: the level that you know their potential might have been.
14:34
Speaker 1: But now that you kind of have everything figured out,
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Speaker 1: would you be interested in sign an artist again?
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Speaker 2: I mean I wouldn't. I just like I just want
14:43
Speaker 2: to fuck with people. That's dope, man.
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Speaker 3: And it's like I'm looking for like people's character more
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Speaker 3: so these days too, you know what I mean. It's
14:51
Speaker 3: not just about how dope somebody is. It don't matter
14:53
Speaker 3: if it's a director of a movie, producer, of like
14:56
Speaker 3: what if your energy ain't all the way top tier,
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Speaker 3: like I can't rock with it, you know what I mean?
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Speaker 3: So that would that would just have to be like
15:04
Speaker 3: you know, some ship that just organically come together.
15:07
Speaker 2: But I'm not looking at.
15:08
Speaker 1: Like I'm not like you're not out here like trying
15:10
Speaker 1: to A and.
15:11
Speaker 2: R people did that did that ship a lot of years?
15:14
Speaker 2: You know?
15:14
Speaker 1: And yeah, And it's like a lot of things people
15:16
Speaker 1: don't understand is like your first of all, someone else's
15:19
Speaker 1: livelihood is like kind of in your hands. Yeah, second
15:21
Speaker 1: of us pressure, you're kind of like babysitting grown ups
15:23
Speaker 1: at that point.
15:25
Speaker 3: Yeah, it'd be like you be on some whole other ship.
15:27
Speaker 3: They come to you complaining about ship. It's like, damn,
15:31
Speaker 3: I didn't even notice what's going on, you know what
15:32
Speaker 3: I mean.
15:33
Speaker 1: Hey, you gotta stop the interview. I want to give
15:34
Speaker 1: a shout out.
15:35
Speaker 2: Man.
15:35
Speaker 1: The only thing we smoke, ladies and gentlemen is slap woods.
15:38
Speaker 1: That's right. Make sure you follow them at slap woods.
15:42
Speaker 1: And you know the reason why we smoked flat woods.
15:45
Speaker 1: It's literally because they slap You ain't smoke a slap woods.
15:48
Speaker 1: What the fuck are you doing? Get back to you Uh,
15:52
Speaker 1: what's been your favorite hip hop album this year?
15:55
Speaker 2: That's a good question. Ship. What I've been listening to
15:59
Speaker 2: should I was just banging Rio Rio to Young O
16:01
Speaker 2: gu Ship, that Ship Tight? What came out this year?
16:06
Speaker 3: Ship Clips? I love the intro on that clips out Man,
16:10
Speaker 3: That's tough. That shit was like they broke that down.
16:13
Speaker 3: Malice is a beast.
16:14
Speaker 1: Too, Like think about that intro is It's like it's
16:18
Speaker 1: like if you ever watched like The Green Mile or
16:20
Speaker 1: like like a sad movie that's like critically acclaimed, and
16:23
Speaker 1: you're like, fuck, I gotta be in a I gotta
16:25
Speaker 1: be in a mood to listen to this because I'll
16:27
Speaker 1: be satisfied by the end of it.
16:30
Speaker 2: Some ship they went in the detail is crazy? Yeah,
16:33
Speaker 2: for sure. So you got Rio.
16:36
Speaker 3: I mean, I ain't gonna say I don't really got
16:38
Speaker 3: no favorite, bro. I'll just be listening to Ship.
16:40
Speaker 2: I listened to it like I'll be listening to like
16:42
Speaker 2: a big sad nineteen hundred, Listen to Rio, listen to
16:47
Speaker 2: Peasy from Detroit Flint? Ship. Yeah.
16:52
Speaker 1: Have you have you connected with those guys out out there?
16:54
Speaker 2: Yeah?
16:55
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got some ship dropping on PZ this week.
16:57
Speaker 3: He's crazy We did it from the block over at
17:00
Speaker 3: Dover Street Market, So we.
17:01
Speaker 2: Dropped that Friday.
17:03
Speaker 1: That's fire Rio, So like, I feel like people don't
17:05
Speaker 1: understand how influential he is. Yeah, are influenced by Rio, like.
17:10
Speaker 3: All the funny like bars and Ship like, oh no,
17:12
Speaker 3: that niggas hilarious.
17:13
Speaker 2: When I first was hearing this music, I.
17:15
Speaker 3: Used to just be laughing to that Ship like this
17:17
Speaker 3: nigga like a comedian, Yeah, rapping, you know what I mean?
17:20
Speaker 1: Mother fucking would you and Benny get back in at all?
17:24
Speaker 1: Because you know, I feel like that you guys have
17:27
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like a lot of people say
17:29
Speaker 1: that's his best album, crazy Burden to Proof, great.
17:32
Speaker 2: Album, some ship on there.
17:34
Speaker 1: You have so much unreleased music, I'm sure with artists
17:36
Speaker 1: because you still got the Spider Challice. No I got
17:39
Speaker 1: I updated the software, man, because that was a legendary.
17:43
Speaker 1: It's a whole new level now, man, Yeah it was.
17:45
Speaker 2: We got pulled up.
17:46
Speaker 1: Lots of lots of Ship was made in that room though.
17:48
Speaker 3: No, for sure, I want two Grammys out that room
17:51
Speaker 3: and got multiple platinum plaques, like you know, I did
17:54
Speaker 3: my ship.
17:54
Speaker 2: I was there seven years.
17:55
Speaker 1: Yeah, how much like Ship is just never gonna come
17:59
Speaker 1: out that because you I feel like it has like everyone.
18:02
Speaker 3: It got like albums full of music with Roddy Rich,
18:04
Speaker 3: with Don Tolliver, I got so many songs with people
18:08
Speaker 3: Bro just posting Shawn's always there or he was Dom's
18:11
Speaker 3: always I know Dom, Me and Dom got albums with
18:14
Speaker 3: the ship more halfy real ship got some ship, Bro,
18:16
Speaker 3: would you guys do another one of those? I'm with
18:18
Speaker 3: It's so and so on Don. I'll be ready to
18:21
Speaker 3: go at all times.
18:22
Speaker 1: What what kind of bag do you have to be in,
18:24
Speaker 1: like mentally when you're working on your own music as
18:27
Speaker 1: opposed to like you're in, like working on someone else's album.
18:31
Speaker 2: I mean, ain't no, bro, this ship ain't no difference.
18:36
Speaker 3: I'll just be in a flow, like a state of
18:37
Speaker 3: flow where it's like the beats in the lyrics and
18:40
Speaker 3: the show. Way I'm putting my ship together is just
18:42
Speaker 3: it's just coming together in the right way. Like I
18:45
Speaker 3: just try to try to just run both of them
18:47
Speaker 3: at the same time. I'm always writing, I'm always coming
18:49
Speaker 3: up with.
18:50
Speaker 1: Ideas and just making beats, just like you know when
18:53
Speaker 1: you do the couch eater skit or whose brain child
19:00
Speaker 1: was that was? That you were the other guy.
19:02
Speaker 2: That was my idea. Yeah.
19:03
Speaker 3: I was actually shooting another video for the title track
19:06
Speaker 3: off Software Update, and I was just like we had already.
19:10
Speaker 2: He was about to shoot the couch video, I think,
19:13
Speaker 2: but I just was like, man, like, you know, the
19:17
Speaker 2: Cheater Show is hilarious to me.
19:18
Speaker 3: I'll be watching the Super Funs rolling and it's like
19:21
Speaker 3: couch eaters, cheaters, couch eaters. I'm like, that shit just
19:24
Speaker 3: makes sense. I'm like, we should get, you know, some
19:26
Speaker 3: people to get in that ship. Then the home we
19:28
Speaker 3: started brainstorming, like, yo, we should get Charleston White, that
19:30
Speaker 3: nigga funny, and we just put it together.
19:33
Speaker 1: Charleston White crack you. I heard he just be charging
19:35
Speaker 1: motherfuckers just to show up to places.
19:37
Speaker 2: Nothing crazy, nothing crazy and crazy, but he charged gas,
19:41
Speaker 2: got the real business. That nigga cool. He was cool.
19:44
Speaker 1: I don't know what to think of him because he's
19:45
Speaker 1: on some wildly insane racist ship. Yeah, yeah, he's he's
19:48
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's a character, that's his character.
19:50
Speaker 2: That's a persona. I feel like, but May is wild
19:52
Speaker 2: and like he's.
19:53
Speaker 1: Funny as healing person too, Like I bet he's entertained.
19:57
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, you remd me of like my uncles and
19:59
Speaker 3: ship from Indiana, like they hell the country and ship
20:02
Speaker 3: like that.
20:02
Speaker 2: Nigga.
20:02
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, Yo, did you have to get a
20:06
Speaker 1: permit to put the couch in front of the donut spot?
20:09
Speaker 2: Was that? Did? You'll just pull up?
20:11
Speaker 1: And I thought that.
20:13
Speaker 2: Should like you went viral. It was like on a
20:17
Speaker 2: bunch of little bit. Yeah.
20:18
Speaker 1: Somebody said, like La is like nowhere else. It's just
20:21
Speaker 1: like La is not a real place. La is not
20:23
Speaker 1: a real place. Just girls stripping over a couch.
20:25
Speaker 2: Yeah, eating couch. What's your Uh?
20:28
Speaker 1: What's your favorite couch store? Is it Bob's Discount furniture?
20:31
Speaker 2: Is? Where are we going? Uh? What was it? Restaurant?
20:34
Speaker 4: Uh?
20:34
Speaker 2: Restoration? What's that ship called restoration? Sounds expensive? You've never
20:40
Speaker 2: been a living spaces. I've been a living spaces. You
20:43
Speaker 2: know they got good couches of Costco too.
20:45
Speaker 1: You know it's done about Costco. You get a couch
20:47
Speaker 1: of Costco, you could return it forever for real. Yes, girl, fox,
20:51
Speaker 1: your makeup up biting on the couch, it's stained. You
20:54
Speaker 1: throw that bitch in the truck. Return it. You could
20:57
Speaker 1: take anything back to Costco. You got a Costco membership.
20:59
Speaker 2: Man, I used to I gotta refresh my ship.
21:02
Speaker 1: Bro, if you buy anything, like you could buy a TV.
21:04
Speaker 1: If if you could, your girl can find like catch
21:07
Speaker 1: you cheating and break your TV and you just take
21:09
Speaker 1: it back and they just give.
21:10
Speaker 2: You a new one. That's the best.
21:13
Speaker 1: I mean, honestly makes sense wholesale. It's a good loophole,
21:16
Speaker 1: the Costco because you could just funck shut up.
21:18
Speaker 2: And just be like, yo, don't work no more than one?
21:21
Speaker 2: Yeah for you? Man?
21:23
Speaker 1: Are you still because I know you have like your
21:25
Speaker 1: like you you have a team of guys you work
21:27
Speaker 1: with that will help you with loops and stuff like
21:29
Speaker 1: Jan Sporting all those guys. How many people like do
21:33
Speaker 1: you get loops.
21:34
Speaker 2: And stuff from these days? These days as of late
21:37
Speaker 2: with the new software, nobody. I ain't gonna even lie.
21:40
Speaker 3: I've been making all my own beats, bro, and that
21:42
Speaker 3: motherfuckers like my eight o eights just smacking like harder
21:45
Speaker 3: than like ever you know had them slapping before.
21:48
Speaker 2: Like I've just been.
21:49
Speaker 3: Like making more like headspace for the beach. So like
21:53
Speaker 3: when artists hear them, they just like you could talk
21:55
Speaker 3: over this motherfuckering. It sounds good, That makes sense, like
21:57
Speaker 3: a nice a nice uh canvas.
22:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes sense. You know.
22:03
Speaker 1: I was talking to Conductor him in the Rome Street's
22:06
Speaker 1: got a dope album right now. But Conductors obviously he
22:09
Speaker 1: does a lot of sample based stuff, you would think,
22:12
Speaker 1: but he was saying like, nowadays he might be find
22:15
Speaker 1: a sample and then he'll send it to his homie.
22:19
Speaker 2: He's like, because with how hard.
22:21
Speaker 1: It's the clear samples these days, He's like, you got
22:24
Speaker 1: to use the humans if you find a sample, like
22:26
Speaker 1: you are you even looking for samples? And if you
22:28
Speaker 1: find one, do you figure out a loophole to Yeah?
22:31
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny because Todd Dollads song used to be
22:33
Speaker 3: in a production company called a Jack Sample and they
22:36
Speaker 3: would just basically like flip a sample, reverse some shit
22:39
Speaker 3: and then really mask it to where you can't even tell.
22:41
Speaker 2: What song it is.
22:42
Speaker 3: And I'll learned that trick from him, Like you gotta
22:45
Speaker 3: finesse it, yeah, because they got some shit before.
22:47
Speaker 2: Where niggas ain't catch.
22:49
Speaker 1: It well, because it's like that can hold up a
22:51
Speaker 1: record being released that could Like I feel like, especially
22:54
Speaker 1: if you're an independent artist and you're just trying to
22:56
Speaker 1: do some shit for the culture. It's like well fuck
22:59
Speaker 1: whatever they're sking forward. Yeah, some of these states be
23:03
Speaker 1: cracked and they be trying to like take the whole
23:05
Speaker 1: the holes. Has anybody like you're at the point where
23:10
Speaker 1: you were so successful that I feel like people probably
23:13
Speaker 1: sample some of your ship?
23:14
Speaker 2: Does that happen?
23:15
Speaker 1: Ever?
23:15
Speaker 3: I just seen like a kid. I think it was
23:17
Speaker 3: somewhere overseas, maybe in Paris. You did like a remix
23:20
Speaker 3: to Niggas in Paris, and like a godspel.
23:24
Speaker 2: He chopped the beat. No, he just wrapped over the beat.
23:27
Speaker 1: Okay, Just like I just wonder if like anybody ever
23:29
Speaker 1: like chops chops up like an old school hip.
23:31
Speaker 2: Boy beat or something.
23:33
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like, you know, eventually that's gonna happen where
23:36
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to clear samples. I hope you're. You
23:38
Speaker 1: gotta be easy on these producers, right, you know, split
23:41
Speaker 1: in half? So you got your software update coming you
23:48
Speaker 1: and ours projects on the way.
23:49
Speaker 3: What else you got spank nitty And I'm still producing,
23:53
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? You know, whoever want to
23:55
Speaker 3: lock in, I'll be with it. But right now I'm
23:58
Speaker 3: just focused on focused on myself, man, focused on my
24:00
Speaker 3: own growth, and.
24:02
Speaker 2: Just like displaying like my art on a way higher level.
24:06
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, Just like when you watch
24:07
Speaker 3: my new videos, it's like, damn it, just just going
24:10
Speaker 3: to that level.
24:11
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24:59
Speaker 1: I'm sure work after you go through that run with NAS,
25:02
Speaker 1: so many rappers probably have to hit you to be like.
25:05
Speaker 2: Yo, I need some of that. Like we should do
25:08
Speaker 2: we should do a whole album together.
25:10
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean shit, yeah, I mean that has That's
25:12
Speaker 3: what happened with Music Sold Child. I ended up doing
25:14
Speaker 3: an album for him because he was like, you know,
25:16
Speaker 3: impressed with the Nash It. It was just like, I
25:17
Speaker 3: see what you're doing, let's tap in.
25:19
Speaker 1: Was there anybody you could talk to that For just
25:21
Speaker 1: whatever reason, scheduling conflicts, whatever, it just didn't work out,
25:24
Speaker 1: but like there was a mutual interest.
25:27
Speaker 2: Plenty of artists.
25:28
Speaker 3: Man, shit, I mean I can't pinpoint nobody specific, but yeah,
25:32
Speaker 3: that shit happens all the time. Whereas I'm like, even
25:34
Speaker 3: making a song with certain people and I'm like they'll
25:37
Speaker 3: be hype about it. Then the next thing, you know,
25:38
Speaker 3: it's not even on the album, and shit like that's
25:40
Speaker 3: like that's disappointed as hell, but that's just how the
25:43
Speaker 3: game go.
25:43
Speaker 2: Yeah.
25:44
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, it's crazy you had anything on the This
25:47
Speaker 1: is Briddy Rich album is the Navy that I don't know?
25:49
Speaker 3: No, I wanted to play him some beats but any
25:51
Speaker 3: picked song while he was there. But I guess you know,
25:53
Speaker 3: you can get nothing on him.
25:55
Speaker 2: Who knows, because we've been waiting like a year.
25:57
Speaker 3: Y'all went over there and like March twenty twenty four,
26:01
Speaker 3: I went over to the studio and played on some shit.
26:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, do.
26:05
Speaker 1: You have any unreleased shit on hard drives with nods
26:07
Speaker 1: that just didn't make any of the projects because it
26:09
Speaker 1: feels like y'all just.
26:09
Speaker 2: Did it and it came out. That's basically what it was.
26:12
Speaker 2: We probably got a few songs and it took, but
26:14
Speaker 2: we let the clip out, like we let that shit
26:17
Speaker 2: just go. What about you and Sean? We got some joints.
26:21
Speaker 3: A matter of fact, he just called me last night
26:22
Speaker 3: and was like, bro, I'm aut the lock back in
26:24
Speaker 3: with you. He been on tour, so no, he's on tour. Yeah,
26:27
Speaker 3: so when you get back, we're gonna get back to it.
26:30
Speaker 1: You kind of like, uh, you know Russ always kind
26:33
Speaker 1: of he's made it famous to be like, yo, I
26:34
Speaker 1: make the beat, I write the song. Yeah, I mix
26:37
Speaker 1: and master the record marketed.
26:40
Speaker 2: I do the folk.
26:40
Speaker 1: I respect I respect it, like like, but you were
26:44
Speaker 1: you do that in your own way too, Like you
26:45
Speaker 1: were very much like if you put out a hip
26:47
Speaker 1: boy song, like it's all.
26:48
Speaker 2: You for the most part.
26:50
Speaker 1: Are you like super super involved like you were talking
26:52
Speaker 1: about how like the visuals have gotten better. Are you
26:54
Speaker 1: like pretty involved in like those that process straight?
26:56
Speaker 2: Yeah?
26:57
Speaker 3: On every detail, bro, Like I'm I'm on the text
27:00
Speaker 3: with the producers. I'm really like dialing in, like you know,
27:04
Speaker 3: just on the level that you know, I wasn't able
27:06
Speaker 3: to see before.
27:07
Speaker 2: Right right, Like Yo, I got this idea, I like
27:10
Speaker 2: this shot.
27:11
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like it's like basically I'll be like and when
27:14
Speaker 3: the editor actually come to my spot and like we
27:17
Speaker 3: just like wanted together down right there, like you know,
27:19
Speaker 3: everybody happy.
27:22
Speaker 1: Do you feel like, you know, I feel like there's
27:24
Speaker 1: like a is there is there still kind of like
27:28
Speaker 1: this sonic divide you think between the I E And
27:30
Speaker 1: L A.
27:33
Speaker 2: I mean nah, just as far as music.
27:37
Speaker 1: You're just like sonically, I feel like I feel like
27:39
Speaker 1: there was always kind of like a little bit a
27:40
Speaker 1: little bit of difference between like LA rappers and I
27:43
Speaker 1: rappers in terms.
27:43
Speaker 3: Of like I mean, I guess you know you got
27:46
Speaker 3: like you got spanked, you got R three, you got
27:48
Speaker 3: you know, some niggas from out there that kind of
27:52
Speaker 3: you know, they got an l a vibe.
27:53
Speaker 2: It's just it's just calie. You know.
27:54
Speaker 1: Have you heard of a pot Joko? He has the
27:57
Speaker 1: song I E I E. Oh you gotta hit hold on, bro,
28:01
Speaker 1: So this is I want to play for you because
28:03
Speaker 1: it's the this is like the hardest. This is the
28:07
Speaker 1: I anthem right here, dog going crazy. Yeah, it's this
28:11
Speaker 1: Asian kid. He's Asian.
28:13
Speaker 2: Right, where are you from? What city he's from?
28:17
Speaker 1: Things like he's from uh, I don't know, he's from
28:22
Speaker 1: the dog.
28:24
Speaker 2: Listen, this ship is tight to the video.
28:29
Speaker 4: Yeah, how.
28:48
Speaker 1: Here rock That ship is tight. I gotta tap in
28:54
Speaker 1: with hot Joko. Man, you gotta tap in. What is
28:56
Speaker 1: it hock p a k j okay a Yeah, putting
29:03
Speaker 1: on for the I E. Dog Man shout out to
29:05
Speaker 1: the I E.
29:06
Speaker 2: He's got.
29:06
Speaker 1: He's got a song called Chingo. What's the chingen to
29:08
Speaker 1: Madre fucking Migro because his girls Mexican. He said they're
29:11
Speaker 1: tying to deport my bitch.
29:12
Speaker 2: Oh ship.
29:13
Speaker 1: Yeah, because originally I was like, yo, your Mexicans, like,
29:15
Speaker 1: nah my girl is you know what I'm saying?
29:18
Speaker 2: Shot the ship out the protest the video ship Oh damn.
29:20
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, So when's the I'm coming out software
29:24
Speaker 1: day next month, September, So it's coming in September.
29:27
Speaker 3: Any features, Yeah, I got Alchemists on there.
29:31
Speaker 2: I got dom on there, I got a Spank on there.
29:34
Speaker 2: I got who else I want?
29:36
Speaker 4: Ship h.
29:40
Speaker 2: Oh?
29:40
Speaker 1: Left Lefty gun play pas Lefty hunh Yeah. So you're
29:45
Speaker 1: in the studio with Lefty. I've seen him dog Man,
29:48
Speaker 1: he's so so he got of it, just does the
29:52
Speaker 1: lefty thing and then do you Max, do you like
29:57
Speaker 1: in post put it like grab the best parts? I
30:00
Speaker 1: mean because he be in there shooting from the hip
30:03
Speaker 1: for sure.
30:03
Speaker 3: When he's in the sometimes ill like you know, move
30:05
Speaker 3: stuff around and nudgs ship just put it in more
30:08
Speaker 3: in the pocket. But you know what he's doing though, right,
30:12
Speaker 3: fun guy, that's my dog. He was having me in tears, bro, Yeah, nigga.
30:15
Speaker 1: Too funny and like, has he ever looked at you
30:18
Speaker 1: and said, I'm the biggest dog.
30:21
Speaker 2: I'm the biggest you have me rolling recently, I'm the
30:23
Speaker 2: biggest Mexican ever, said.
30:25
Speaker 3: He When he was doing the video for the song
30:27
Speaker 3: on the album, he like, come outside, he saw my lambo.
30:31
Speaker 2: He was like this show Ship He's like this show
30:33
Speaker 2: range too. He's like, what happened to the Mayback? I'm like,
30:35
Speaker 2: I gave that ship to my mom.
30:36
Speaker 3: He was like, God damn, how the fuck you got
30:39
Speaker 3: so much money that rolling?
30:41
Speaker 2: Bro?
30:41
Speaker 1: All Right, so album's coming out in September, big features
30:44
Speaker 1: on it.
30:45
Speaker 2: You got more than one video coming.
30:47
Speaker 1: Like, I know you've dropped up lined up.
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Speaker 3: The motherfucking clip is full. Bro, were dialing in, We
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Speaker 3: got ship right now?
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Speaker 1: Are you independent?
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Speaker 2: Independent? Fully?
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Speaker 1: Bro?
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Speaker 2: I'm going I'm doing this ship.
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Speaker 3: She was like, even distro wiser you got, like I
31:01
Speaker 3: fucking with the Orchard on a distribution. But like as
31:05
Speaker 3: far as the whole market and everything I'm doing with videos,
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Speaker 3: I'm just like all my creatives, me and me and
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Speaker 3: my homie ship, Sam Nema, my boy double, And you're
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Speaker 3: making a.
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Speaker 1: Ship working on a new pub deal that I'm assuming
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Speaker 1: whenever the press release drops, it's gonna it's gonna be.
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Speaker 2: One of them things, a good headline.
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Speaker 1: It's gonna be a good headline for all right, software
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Speaker 1: update on the way man, and then you and al
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Speaker 1: ship's coming for hip ho production for sure, Yes, sir,
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Speaker 1: here is my dog, Sir,